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And they never will, either.
I never understood this joke….
It took me a minute as well. If you look in the background, there’s a guy holding a “Iron my shirt, bitch!” sign in the middle of the feminist rally. Now, I’m all for having a sense of humor, but that dude clearly lost a bet that involved him having to kill himself in a painful manner. This will do the trick.
…and they did. You can see here, he’s out of frame, right near the camerawoman…
um, that’s a linky, click on my name.
What’s with the vid of an antique steamroller?
It would really hurt to be run over by it, I think? OK, I know it would hurt. I think that is the point!
But his shirt would be ironed nice and flat!
But then it would have blood and road bits and such on it and she’d have to wash it again!
“SHE’D” just have to wash it again?! I beg your pardon!
Pick up his flattened carcass and make him wash his OWN shirt!
Ok PK, I’m very disappointed that it took someone 8 hours to point that out! I was expecting something when I went on my break at work 6 hours ago!
I think you and I are the only ones who subscribed . . . maybe.
Or they were asleep early tonight?
Speaking of “asleep”, I should’ve gone about 3 hours ago! ‘Night!
I also noticed that one ^^
Did anyone see that chick with her full grown stache ?
Thank you for missing the point of the rally…
Bad thing, right?
…And they never will.
They never will iron his shirt? How the f*** is he going to get it ironed?
You have a death wish too, huh?
The ladies love it really!
They really don’t.
ok, we will iron the shirts, they can start painting, doing the auto repair, taking out the trash, doing the heavy lifting, defending the house from dwarven raids…cause mens work is still mens work..but noooooo dont lable something as womens work thats so sexist..
Most women paint, take out the trash and do heavy lifting. Some women do auto repair–I used to, but didn’t really like having old car oil on my face. I can do some appliance repair also.
However, you do have me on the dwarven raids, I haven’t fended them off yet–but I have gone into a flooded basement to turn off the electrical power. Does that count?
those women are single
Nope. All married cousins, aunts, friends. If the house needs painting, it goes faster when 2 people do it. And different couples have different ways to divvy up the chores.
I guess I technically qualify as ‘single’, but I’ve been in a relationship for 4 years now. He’s better at tech and laundry than non-tech repairs. And the trash needs to go out, even if the guy is overseas on a trip!
your logic and reality have no place in PK!!!
Sorry! It’s the science training. I’ll try! Pleasepleaseplease let me stay????
Well, if they kick you out for science logic, guess I’m out for math logic! We’ll have to make a new PK site. Maybe it could have FUNNY lols? And not the same pictures every week?
BLASPHEMY!
Silence your ungodly logic.
And I should be joining you both wherever! Hmmmm, apart from you both being in LTRs, that doesn’t sound too bad actually!
Sorry. “LTRs”?
@mabs. You’ve got your hubby and I have my BF. Long Term Relationships. Which btw, I didn’t think would ever be applicable to me 5 years ago!
Thanks. Is five years long term? Then you all will need another term for us — 23+ years. ARs? (Ancient Relationships)
Actually, we’ve been together 4 years. 5 years ago was when I decided to take match.com on as a one-year hobby!
o_0 you sound like my wife… I’m actually quite a bit more mechanically inclined than she gives me credit for and was quite the decent handyman at one point, she just has no patience and no desire to depend on any man to do things for her.
Unless I’m fixing her laptop, THEN (even though she knows what she’s doing) it’s my job to fix it.
Tut tut, still working on that dryer, love? Here let me have a look at it, this is man’s work. Make us a cup of tea, there’s a good girl. *pokes dryer* *drinks tea* *pokes around in enormous tool box**pokes dryer again*. See here’s your problem right there. It’s fvcked.
*snort*
I’ve gotten an extra 3 years out of a washer that my male roomies assumed was ‘dead’ (just needed a new pulley), and 5 extra years out of an ancient dryer. (periodic oiling and whacking with a wrench for that one!)
Grad student = broke, and I was one for quite a while!
Yeah, I changed the fuse earlier. (The parts I took out on Saturday that some smart man described as the fuses were NOT, in fact, the fuses.) After I got home I thought maybe the connections were bad, so I cleaned the fuse connections. No go.
I wish I had some decent schematics. The ones it came with are just for identifying parts — not actual disassembling. (And hopefully reassembling!) Now I have to decide if I want to remove the thermostat and check that. I really hate my dryer right now.
I think you should try VG’s method. Hit it with a wrench.
I thought about that, but I figured she probably doesn’t have the wrench any more.
Right now I’m weighing the cost of getting it fixed versus a new dryer.
I don’t know how easy it would be to source a copy in the USA, but Haynes Publishing have done some domestic appliance manuals in the UK.
I’m married. I do ALL furniture building and reupholstering, painting, putting up of shelves, hooks and curtain rods (plus I make the curtains myself) and I stripped and painted the front of our house. I also do some of my own bike repair (I admit that my husband does the more technical stuff), including fixing flats on the road. On top of that, I make my own clothes and some of my husband’s foul weather gear. We don’t live in the 50s anymore gentlemen, and it’s time you all started learning how to look after yourself.
Oh yeah, my husband knows that he needs to put my tools back where they came from or there will be hell to pay. Or at least some whining to listen to.
“I stripped and painted the front of our house.”
Somehow I can’t help but get a mental picture of Rattus painting in the buff.
I am more intrigued by the idea that perhaps her husband joined her?
Well yeah. Isn’t that what I said?
This is relevant to my interests!
Yes, it was implied, but we want to make sure before driving over to check out the view.
You can probably order a service manual from repairclinic dot com. They also let you search for replacement parts by size, color, material, etc… its like the game 20 questions, but it helps you fix stuff. It also helps you identify parts correctly.
That information is useful and dull! You are a boring troll!
This was actually really helpful. (The dryer still doesn’t work, but I know what all the pieces are called.)
Food for thought, most modern dryers are sooooo much more energy efficient, they will pay for the cost of buying them in a decent amount of time. Even if you have to finance them.
And the larger the house hold, the better that gets. I have the Whirlpool Duet washer and dryer, the front loading style. With 5 kids, this is the only way to keep up with laundry. It washes nearly 3 times the clothes per load, takes less time, water, energy and soap. And the dryer gets the job done in about 45 minutes, instead of 60. And that’s with the larger loads too. Plus it has an automatic sensor, so if it gets done in 35 minutes, it shuts off the heat and sounds the buzzer. And my clothes seem to be cleaner too. I can only guess the front load type of drum works better.
But be careful of imitators, as I have seen some front load washers that have drums the same size as a normal washer.
Thank you for the advice. We discussed all this for quite a while this weekend (it died on Friday). The money is not the consideration right now; there are some other issues that just need attention more than spending time choosing a dryer.
Regarding the front load washers, I have read a lot about people having problems with mildew and mold (not entirely sure what distinction they were making there). And my husband has not been impressed with the reliability, but that might just be new appliances in general. (He’s the shopping one; I don’t like to shop for anything except books and art stuff. He likes to research and read up on everything.) Hopefully this is not your experience.
As far as the mold issue, simple. Wipe the door gasket, on both sides. DUH. And most people would shocked to know how much mold is growing in a stand up washer. You just don’t get as easy access to it, IE, out of sight, out of mind.
My set is more about 10 years old now, and the only issues have been replacing a sensor in the dryer door, and a pump in the washer. The sensor in the door actually didn’t have to be replaced, but it was under warranty, so the repairman did. Turns out that removing 3 screws, lifting out the lint screen, and blowing off the sensor solves it.
I also don’t think the pump would have had to be replaced as soon, were it not my wife trying to teach my mentally retarded 13 year old daughter how to wash clothes. She gets the idea, but was obviously not checking pockets, as when I took it out, it was full of pennies and rocks. (I also have a 9 year old autistic son) The screen caught all the junk, but was slowing down the flow of water to the pump, causing cavitation damage. Take the time to set it up properly. Nice and level, sturdy floor. Ground it well. I actually put a 3/4 inch piece of plywood under mine to protect both the machine and floor. And I love my machines.
Oooooh, that sounds nice, JAC. We have to run our POS dryer at least two times on “towels” load just to get an average load of laundry clean (that isn’t even towels). Alas, I only rent, so it’s not even my dryer.
I have a front-loader washer (about 5 years old now) and LOVE it. Never had any mold/mildew problems, and it gets clothes cleaner with less water.
Diss, your is just getting the age to start semi yearly cleaning. The big rubber ring that seals the door to the tub needs to be simply wiped on the underside. It’s quite flexible on most models. And I also advise removing the lower front panel, and unscrewing the pump cover, and cleaning that screen. Just for long term prevention. It’s so much easier to do on the upright models.
Funniest thread I’ve read in ages.
@ Keithy – Agreed. I couldn’t tell if somehow it was a commercial for a new front load washer.
For ale!
You missed the iron-y, love. (clue: the word ‘ladies’)
Maybe an iron supplement is needed?
i’m steamed to see you wrinkle out of this one.
wicket, you need to crease and desist.
This pun run is a little flat, I was hoping for something more steamy.
I think I’m board with these puns…
Aww! Don’t take the starch out of it!
Hey I’m (im)pressed! I love dryer humor!
ugh, bitter troll needs mind bleach!
He can lay in the road and wait for a steamroller to come by.
Thats a bad thing, right?
What? Ironing a shirt? Yes, it’s awful.
That poor, poor shirt.
poor, poor, wrinkled shirt…
The shirt was asking for it. It’s right on the tag, “Iron medium heat”.
iron your own shirt butt wipe,
How did you decide where to put that comma?
I’m just sayin…that wouldn’t have been my first choice.
omg shoot me, i pressed the wrong button, so nice to see you iron your own shirts. There see a full stop..and a nother, omg a spelling mistake, i so love winding people up.
Just having a little fun. Calm yourself. No harm intended.
Um, I could be mistaken but I don’t think an ellipses counts as a full stop.
I’m still trying to figure out what a “nother” is.
*scratches head* I don’t have a clue either. Maybe an “omg” is something to do with electricity? Like an ohm?
I dunno, it seems to be begging “omg” to shoot it, so “omg” could be a person!
Well, it was obviously young at some point. Maybe it’s so old it’s asking for euthanasia?
You appear to be winding yourself up. Menopause? I’m just guessing based on your name.
clearly the comma was typed in by obama when he/she was not looking,
OMG HE DID IT AGAIN
And he would have gotten away with it, were it not for those meddlesome kids.
Oh behalf of SSOSS I think I can safely say that guy’s sign is funny.
This is like holding up “Cubs Suck” sign at Wrigley. It’s just awesome.
(ps: I iron my own shirts)
It’s the interwebs, so the feminists can’t hurt us! Hahahahaha
OW FVCK!!!!
How’d they do that?
(BTW, before any feminists give me any crap for laughing at the Steve’s comment, trust me, there ain’t nothing chauvinistic about my marriage. *goes to change the laundry before cooking dinner*)
As a feminist I approve of this LOL and TS’s comment. Plus, I think the guy’s sign is funny. Funny in that tragic way because they probably didn’t find his body. He obviously had a death wish or lost a bet.
What do you say to a feminist with 2 black eyes? Nothing, she’s already been told twice…..
And it was one of you ladies on here that told me that joke, so be sure to laugh with her……
Actually, I remember who told that joke and it wasn’t one of the women on here. It was a jerk who has been banned.
No, Ma’am. I promise you, it was one of you about 2 weeks ago.
The version I heard is ‘what do you say to a woman with 2 black eyes?…time for a new bra’.
I like my version better!
I like your version much better.
I did see the version JAC used posted by a girl on PK recently in a thread that was humorous. There was an obnoxious twit who also posted the same joke in a thread while arguing with HOW.
And keep in mind, I’m poking fun of that type of idiocy. I’m one of the few men I know that opens doors for women, and in reality, do my best to always show respect.
I don’t understand your version.
boobs smacked her in the face..you must be an A cup
I prefer when boobs smack ME in the face.
Or she/he doesn’t remember sports before sports bras existed?
Uno, I am man. Dos, A is not a valid cup size. A is not even a boob. It is a lump of fat and tissue on the upper torso, and very quickly disappears when starvation sets in. B is barely a boob. C is a decent boob. D is a BOOB. DD+ is a little slice of heaven.
Well, maybe not a LITTLE slice.
B is a nice handful if your a girl, C is a nice handful if you’re a guy, D is a nice handful if your a guy with very large hands and DD is getting a breast reduction because of back problems.
To you, “Default User” and your DD bit: Blasphemy!
First, I will believe that when that woman confesses to it. Second, a woman telling a joke about domestic violence is just about as funny as a black person telling a joke about lynching. Not.
Well, I’m actually waiting on that woman to speak up. Which is her prerogative to do. It was on Facebook, and she told me a handful of women’s jokes.
And you know what? I laugh about male jokes too. And I have heard a black man make jokes about lynching.
I spent Friday afternoon with a friend who was grieving for her friend who was in an abusive relationship and killed herself last week. So I guess we just have different ideas about what’s tasteless.
PS I wouldn’t laugh at jokes about men getting beaten up either.
I agree that the joke was bad. It wasn’t even that funny when i heard it 15 years ago. But if it’d been funnier, i’d have no problem laughing at some extreme version of a societal taboo such as, wife beating. It’s got to be funny though, otherwise I’m on your side and I’d rather not here it.
So basically timing killed it for you. I hate when that happens.
No, I’ve always thought that joke sucked. This week it just sucked more. Domestic violence is the leading case of violent death for women in this state, so that makes it just soooooooooo funny. Not.
Jokes don’t have to be tasteless.
Eh, I prefer tasteless jokes, personally. That one was always meh for me but never one to get worked up about.
Though in my defense, I prefer sex jokes over trite chauvinistic jokes. As for your comment about conditions making the joke not funny, that logic should hold that I abhor any rape jokes but I don’t…
But are you a Barbie girl? In a Barbie world?
life in plastic… it’s fantastic!
mabs – it was me. i wasn’t here to speak up yesterday because i was crazy busy with work… but i told JAC a whole string of “anti-female” jokes that i find funny.
i think my favorite is…
“how many men does it take to open a bottle of beer?”
“none, it should be open when she brings it to him!”
That’s anti-female. The other is tasteless. Sorry. That’s my opinion.
What you are missing is that it’s demonstrating the absurd by being absurd. No one with a right mind would take it serious.
And on a personal note, I hope you look into both sides of domestic violence. It’s not just men beating and killing women. The truth would surprise you.
No it would not and neither does your assumption that I am not familiar with the subject.
I am not ‘missing’ anything. I have a right to believe that something is tasteless.
Just basing it on your comments. And it is tasteless. It’s demonstrating the absurd by being absurd. With all that education you brag about, I would think you could understand that.
I just said I thought it was tasteless. Which apparently you agree with. I don’t happen to like tasteless and don’t think it’s funny. You know, one can get the point of a joke without liking the joke.
But what you are missing is that you can laugh at the stupidity of others. It’s called mocking! Yes, it can be done!
And it’s often a way to influence others to understand the foolishness of certain parts of an argument. This amazing thing called peer pressure!
And the shocking part of the whole thing? I think you knew that from the beginning! Yes, you did!
I just find it tasteless and unfunny. Period. I’m sorry that’s so hard to grasp. Who made you the humor king?
Did you forget that you sent in the nomination yourself? Egads, mabs has oldtimers!
Okay, honestly, I hate that joke too. Domestic violence jokes tend to make me wince (saw one on Family Guy last night that I didn’t enjoy at all). There’s no history of domestic violence in my family or anything, so I must just hate certain really tasteless jokes (yet others I find hysterical).
I get the joke. Like mabs, I find it tasteless. I have also heard jokes like this told from people that hold views a little too close to the ‘absurd’ beliefs you are referring to JAC. It makes it less funny when (tasteless or not) when there is evidence that the person telling the joke has a little too much in common with the ridiculous beliefs being prodded.
Plus, insisting that a joke is funny does not make others think the joke is funny.
On another note, I was going to write “it is less funny when you have a joke repeatedly shoved down your throat,” but I decided that could have been construed as another domestic violence joke.
Or a joke about someone not too well endowed.
See, I can even make crude jokes. There are just some subjects I don’t think are amusing ever.
Then there’s the “How many women does it take to screw in a light bulb? None: the b**** can cook in the dark!” Tasteless: Yes… Funny: After a few beers.
but she might burn the food!
Well when she sees the fire from the food it’s done.
ILPB these are for you…
why don’t women wear watches?
there’s a clock above the stove.
why do women have smaller feet than men?
so they can stand closer to the stove.
why couldn’t helen keller drive?
because she was a woman.
aaaaaaand i’ll stop there. the rest of them get A LOT worse.
turns out hellen keller could talk, but since she was a woman no one really listened anyways
why didn’t anyone hear helen keller when she fell off the cliff?
she was wearing mittens!
(not a female joke… but one that’s equally atrocious and hilarious)
why’d the girl/boy fall off the swing?
she/he had no arms!
-Here’s a bad one for you-
Top ten best pick up lines:
5. Did it hurt? When you fell out of heaven?
4. You’re legs must be tired because you’ve been running through my mind all day
3. That [article of clothing] is very becoming on you. If I were on you I’d be cumming too.
2.(Use index finger to call someone over then say) I made you come with one finger, imagine what I could do with my whole hand.
And number one best pick up line ever: Excuse me, but does this rag smell like chloroform to you?
I think it was jim. If not, it was definitely another bloke who was being a tw@t.
i told waylon that one… i have any number of anti-female jokes that i find far too funny.
*points at shorty* Ha! See! I knew it! *points more and jumps up and down!*
I would like to say that I hate that joke as much as any other joke I’ve ever heard, and I hate it more each time I hear it. Which I guess puts it at number 1 on my sh!t list.
Yeah, but you’re not one of those crazy “all men are evil and going to extremes to avoid enjoying sex advances our agenda” feminists.
They make everyone miserable, even themselves.
Hey now, they can enjoy sex. But only if it’s with other women.
(And before anyone gets shirty, look up lesbian feminism.)
I’ve run into a few of that sort of feminist only 2 or 3 times. And I went to a women’s college, and have attended several women’s studies conferences. So the ‘all men are evil’ feminist is a VERY rare bird.
I only wish the ‘all feminists are man-haters’ statements were as rare. ‘all feminists are man-haters’ is an obvious attempt to get women to disclaim feminism–when feminism is the radical concept that women are people as much as men are, and that people deserve choices in how they want to live their lives.
I actually thought the term ‘man hating dyke’ was just a cruel stereotype until I actually met one. She was dating a friend of mine and she was batsh!t crazy. But she’s the only one I’ve ever met. All the other lesbians and feminists, and lesbian feminists I’ve met have had no trouble with men.
I know a few who used to be married to men, and still are fond of their exes.
Probably b/c their exes had their testicles in a mason jar on the shelf.
I know one who still dates men (as well as women…eh, let’s face it, she’ll do just about anything human).
Do you have her number? I mean ummm… for BT, yeah BT.
Not if I want to live to see another day.
Rando…I think I like your wife!
The key idea of feminism is about choice. Choosing to be a mother and wife is no less feminist than if you choose not to do that. It’s about the ability to choose what you want for yourself. If I want to iron my man’s shirt than who is to say that I “shouldn’t”?!! Hell, I make almost 2X more money than my man and still iron his shirts because (1) I’m better at it than he is and (2) I like it. I dare anybody to tell me I’m not a feminist!!
your not a feminist…bitter troll bases that off nothing at all then the fact bitter troll was dared
I dare you to set yourself on fire.
bitter troll has filled bitter troll’s dare quota for the day
Let’s dare him tomorrow.
Agreed!
bah we all know womens dont have that long of memory, like goats
Ahem. It’s ‘tomorrow.’ We’re waiting….
sorry bitter troll already ate a bug on a ddare
Agreed. I do whatever insignificant amounts of ironing get done in our house. Not because my husband asks (or, god forbid, tells) me, but because he has no qualms about leaving the house looking like a sharpei and I’d just as soon he didn’t.
LOL! Love this comment.
Polo shirts and no-iron trousers are your best friends in this regard. I haven’t ironed anything except sewing projects since the years started with 199X.
My problem with “feminism” as defined is it isn’t really about choice or equality. I’m all for women having equality. Let them get paid the same for the same work. If they want to be police, firefighter, or military then by all means hold them to the same physical standards as the men. If women want to be considered equal then have equal standards. (I’m sure I’ll get a few, “But women are physically weaker than men on a regular basis per genetics”) I call BS on that. If they want to do the same physical means as a man, let them pass the same physical tests.
Also don’t get me started on “feminsim” in the courts. Utterly destroying father’s rights, one case at a time.
I’ve seen a decent amount of that, luckily, the women who run in the same crowds as I do have a logical view of the matter. Equal pay for equal work, meet the standards or gtfo.
They are also perverts, which is always a plus. I find the world would be better with more of them in it.
Yes, perverted friends do tend to be more fun than the prudish kind.
It depends on who’s doing the defining. You did a fine job — equal pay for equal work, etc. And there’s still lots of cases where that is not true, incidentally. (BTW, our women cops have the same tests and training as the guys, which has been true everywhere I’ve lived.)
I don’t know about the ‘father’s rights,’ either. I mean, it used to be that mothers automatically got custody, which was wrong, but I see that changing. And just like changes in the other direction (I never knew a female doctor in the 70s and now they’re half of med classes), it does take time.
Must not be in America. (cops standards)
There are multiple cases where Mothers who are abusive, and it’s been shown to courts that they are, have gotten custody of children b/s “Women are better at rearing children than fathers”. It’s sickening and demeaning. I haven’t really seen a trend go other ways. Of course there are too many father’s out there that fit the “stereotype” of not caring, but really I think of that as the exception not the norm (I hope.)
Oh,no. It’s definitely improving for fathers. But it’s hard when the default is set to the other gender. (Believe me, I know. My field is not exactly female dominated.) Part of the problem is you have to either replace or re-educate all the judges who have that mindset.
In Missouri, it’s extremely hard for fathers to get custody. I know of one mother in particular who is drugged out, abusive, and God know what else, and her ex had a hell of a time getting custody of their daughter from her. And she’s already got her back again.
I know. It’s so ridiculous how long it takes courts to catch up to reality. Like the JP in LA who wouldn’t marry the mixed race couple? Hello! 21st century knocking!
I don’t know the exact situation in that case, but one problem with our current system for custody in most states is that once it’s set (whether by agreement of the parties or by the court) it’s extremely difficult to get it changed unless there’s agreement. You pretty much have to prove abuse or neglect at that point to get a change of custody (which it certainly sounds like he should have been able to do…sad.) I understand the theory that the courts don’t want to be bouncing the kids around like superballs, but I don’t think our current system is good either.
Actually, if you go back far enough (prior to the 19th century), it used to be that fathers automatically got custody in a divorce. The development of what was known as the “tender years doctrine” led to mothers getting custody most of the time; legally this is no longer supposed to apply in most states. (I’m not saying that it doesn’t, informally.)
Personally I think that people who have children and are divorcing should, regardless of gender, be willing to take a step back from their personal animosities and work together to determine how they can both best meet the needs of their kids.
I think whomever can provide the most stable environment for the child to grow up is best. However the bigger issue is that in many a divorce the women tends to get the house, half the savings, which in turn gives the advantage to the mother to “get” the kids due to “less destruction to the lives of the children to continue living in the same location as before.”
When this is true (of the house), I can understand that argument. However, in reality, after a divorce, the most common situation is that the women and children have a drastic drop in their standard of living and the men have an increase. E.g., if they start out middle class, the men move to upper middle class; the women and children move to lower class.
My personal observation has been that the parent leaving usually doesn’t want the kids, so custody is more about the custodial (abandoned) parent trying to get money for the kids. Which sucks, but is another example of why a lot of people shouldn’t breed.
Side story, here: when I got divorced some 11 years ago, I considered trying to keep the house. Then I considered that he’d been putting off pretty much ALL maintenance and repair for the past few years. I rented an apartment and told him he could keep the damn house. The water heater gave out the following week.
That’s the mentality that feeds women getting the kids…. father wants nothing to do with the kids. I also find it hard that the father who has to pay child support (sometimes up to 20% of paycheck) can have a higher standard of living. Also if the mother had a job outside the house I find your arguement lacking as well. Only if the mother was a stay at home mother who relied on the Father’s income to keep the hosue afloat can I see standard of living decreasing.
20%? My fiance’s paying close to half his paycheck for 2 kids.
I am only repeating statistics from our state’s newspaper (yes, we only have one to speak of) about the change in status. But those statistics are readily available online for the nation as a whole.
I don’t know what you mean by ‘mentality.’ If you’re referring to my personal observations, that’s a gender neutral statement. I have seen both happen (parents of both genders abandoning spouse and children).
PB, 20% isn’t that bad in my opinion, if the other parent has sole custody unless they are already rich they are probably going to need that financial support. Raising kids isn’t cheap.
I personally haven’t actually seen most of the unfair cases you(everyone now, not just PB) are mentioning. In most of the cases of people I know (including cases from when I was growing up and my friends were the children) it’s mostly been a case of one parent actually didn’t want custody or both parents shared custody. Though there was one case that rather angered my involving a friend of mine. When he was 16 a senior girl at his high school didn’t know what she wanted to do with her life., then she figured it out, she wanted to be a mother, she convinced my friend to cut class, go home with her, have sex with her (yeah, none of that was overly difficult) and then lose his virginity to her without using a condom (that was the part that caused trouble, but hormones won out). He’s been paying child support for that since he turned 18. He did actually try to argue statutory rape because he was 16 and she was 18 but the judge didn’t take it. I feel it was unfair to make him responsible for the child when it was in this case the woman who intentionally got pregnant because she wanted a baby and he just happened to be the luckless sob she choose to be the father.
I WISH we only had to pay 20% to that soulless harpy who keeps the kids now…..And God forbid if a promotion does go through, her first stop after hearing about it will be court to file for more.
Well, also it’s not unusual that the mother’s been more involved in the daily lives of the kids (as far as actual caregiving goes). I’ve seen crap on all sides. I’ve seen deadbeat dads who refuse to support their kids and stop spending time with their kids when the kids get old enough or cynical enough not to be easily manipulated. I’ve seen gold-digging bitches who will take the kids as far from the dad as possible without having to get the court’s permission to leave the state and make it near-impossible for the dad to spend time with the kid.
But, I’ve also seen (a few) couples who have managed to share responsibility and time with their kids; who can be civil, even friendly, at holidays and special occasions, and who both seem to grasp that whatever failings their marriage had, they’re both decent parents working together to try to raise good kids. It gives me hope.
As for the physical standards, the change in standards & carrying procedures for firefighter work has resulted in a HUGE decrease in the injury rates of the male firefighters. Which means a decrease in workman’s comp. claims having to be paid out by taxpayers.
Within reason, I can see your point. But take some time to explore the possibilities before saying ‘no!’
As for feminism in the courts, I assume you are speaking about parental custody/child support, and about not sexual harassment, discrimination, women as judges, or reproductive rights? (aside from abortion–lets stay away from that one today, OK?)
I’m talking custody rights at this point (hence the word Father’s rights, and part of it is abortion/ child support arguement but we’ve been there before.)
I’m sorry I prefer higher standards. I’m a big guy, and I want someone able to carry me out of my burning house if need be, workman’s comp is a price I’m willing to pay in the case I ever need someone like that.
I’d support high physical standards without regard to gender (for firefighters); I’d rather have a big, strong woman trying to rescue me than a little chubby guy….
I think the point with workers comp is that the change in carrying procedures reduced injuries, correct me if I’m wrong there, VG. (I hope the change was more than just putting up posters in the firehouse that said “Be safe, use your knees when you pick people up!”)
I have an image of a poster with a firefighter in a bar with a drink having a gal sitting on his knee, and the wording you said. Is that sexist?
No, just funny.
Diss has it right, the co-ed firefighters has changed the procedures for carrying a human out of a building. And it has reduced injuries greatly–which had not been expected when they instituted the change in rules. Basically: no more ‘Rhett and Scarlet’, no more ‘sling him over your shoulder’. Now they wrap the vic’s arms around the firefighter’s shoulders, the firefighter keeps a grip on the elbows (near mid-chest on the firefighter), and carry the vic down like a backpack–balanced across the spine and therefore safer for the carrier.
I believe diss is correct. I have a female firefighter friend who been a firefighter for a LONG time (about 20 years), and she talks about the improvements that have been made along those lines. She would be my #1 pick for rescuing me.
And I do live in the US. All my life, in several states. And the cop standards were identical (male/female not state to state) in all of them.
State Troopers might be, but local standards are different, especially per County/ Township. Even the FBI has slightly different standards for men and women.
God. Way to nitpick. Well, perhaps I was not clear. I only put ‘state to state’ because otherwise people would think I was talking about state standards being equal (which they aren’t). I am and was talking about local, ie city, town, county etc, forces. Everywhere I have lived, the standards and training have been the same. Period. That’s my experience, for where I have lived, so please stop repeating that local standards are different. That blanket statement is NOT true.
Just b/c the places you lived held the standards the same NOT everywhere has, that is my point. So I stand by it and will continue to stand by it.
It sounds like you were saying that all local forces have differing standards, which is not true in my experience. Of course, some that I don’t know about may (how could I know that). But I don’t/didn’t contest that. I just was saying it wasn’t true for all of them.
The we’re in violent agreement so let’s go kick some troll a$$!!
But there are so many to choose from! How will we pick?
-hides in fear-
Oh, no. We scared bitter. *pats bitter* We’re sorry. We meant the nasty trolls, not you. Look, my son didn’t eat all the cookies and no rhubarb! *gives bitter cookies*
-nomnomnomnom-
OUCH!! Bitter watch the fingers!!
Having no idea what you look like or how much you weigh, I can with 95% certainty that my old boss is half your size or smaller. Not only can she pick you up and carry you out of the building she can do it at a run if need be. She was one scary woman.
Almost? Slacker. My wife DOES make 2X more than I do. And that’s while she’s going to school. Thus, I get to do all the domestic stuff (cleaning, cooking, laundry), and FTR, I SUCK at it!! OMG, I hate housework with a passion.
I know, I know. But, but, but….uhm…I’m not counting investment income!! So there!! ;-P
We’ve managed to devide everything along housework “likes” lines. It works better that way.
Only works if you don’t both hate laundry with a fiery burning passion
Wow, what the heck does she do? I wanna do that.
She does Rando. Obviously.
D’OH! Never mind…
There are a few–very, very few. About as common as the albino gorilla.
It’s kinda that whole ‘the mad dog barks the loudest’ thing again Militant Lesbian Feminists are rare, but they are loud (and scary… seriously I had one tell me all men should be castrated by rubber band except a few to keep around until they work out parthenogenesis) and so when guys think of Feminists that’s what comes to mind quicker than the less… aggressive… feminists
Garp bit bonky!
Who was that Feminazi (b/c she was) who wrote all straight men who’ve had sex with a woman are rapists, b/c a woman is forced into sex due to society or some $hit like that?
That would be Ms Crazy McCrazyton
Andrea Dworkin? I think her work is interpreted as something like that most of the time, at least.
the magic of cut and paste
In 1987 Dworkin published Intercourse, in which she extended her analysis from pornography to sexual intercourse itself, and argued that the sort of sexual subordination depicted in pornography was central to men’s and women’s experiences of heterosexual intercourse in a male supremacist society. In the book, she argues that all heterosexual sex in our patriarchal society is coercive and degrading to women, and sexual penetration may by its very nature doom women to inferiority and submission, and “may be immune to reform.”[55]
Citing from both pornography and literature—including The Kreutzer Sonata, Madame Bovary, and Dracula—Dworkin argued that depictions of intercourse in mainstream art and culture consistently emphasized heterosexual intercourse as the only kind of “real” sex, portrayed intercourse in violent or invasive terms, portrayed the violence or invasiveness as central to its eroticism, and often united it with male contempt for, revulsion towards, or even murder of, the “carnal” woman. She argued that this kind of depiction enforced a male-centric and coercive view of sexuality, and that, when the cultural attitudes combine with the material conditions of women’s lives in a sexist society, the experience of heterosexual intercourse itself becomes a central part of men’s subordination of women, experienced as a form of “occupation” that is nevertheless expected to be pleasurable for women and to define their very status as women.[56]
Such descriptions are often cited by Dworkin’s critics, interpreting (sometimes even falsely quoting) the book as supposedly claiming “all” heterosexual intercourse is rape, or more generally that the anatomical machinations of sexual intercourse make it intrinsically harmful to women’s equality. However, critics such as Cathy Young point out that numerous statements in the book, such as “Intercourse is the pure, sterile, formal expression of men’s contempt for women,”[55] are difficult to misinterpret.
Dworkin rejected that interpretation of her argument,[57] stating in a later interview that “I think both intercourse and sexual pleasure can and will survive equality”[58] and suggesting that the misunderstanding came about because of the very sexual ideology she was criticizing: “Since the paradigm for sex has been one of conquest, possession, and violation, I think many men believe they need an unfair advantage, which at its extreme would be called rape. I do not think they need it.”[58]
This is good. We were missing the ordinal post. But this one is related to the topic…does that disqualify it?
Indeed.
Oh, the “Indeed.” was for bt’s post, not for mabsba’s. :p
yeah that’s the b*tch!!!
Wow, just wow…
Just for a bit of perspective, Dworkin was writing at a time when most western medical textbooks were ignoring the sexual functions of the clitoris. So, yeah, back then women’s sexuality was marginalized in a big way.
Why do I know this about texts and the clitoris? Because I like old textbooks on medicine and sexuality!
The whole double-standard thing is what I have a problem with; there’s still plenty of guys out there who have a problem with women who DO like sex. Which mystifies me….you’d think they’d be in favor of that.
In response to Bitters copy and paste, I’d like to say a belated “FIRST!”
@VG In Scientific American magazine a few months back the theme was the beginning of things. One of the articles was the vibrator, clitoral stimulation was used to help reduce “Female Hysteria” something at the time was considered a valid psychological condition. This was mid 1800′s, they continued the practice into the 20th century before finally figuring out that the paroxysm that were caused were actually sexual in nature.
@Diss I agree completely. I like having sex therefore I’m a slut, if I were a guy I’d just be normal.
Yeah, I can’t dismiss Dworkin too easily, I think she’s a bit misrepresented by the misinterpretations. (Gosh, that must be the first time that has ever happened to anyone.)
@ DU: I think they may have been onto something. I find I’m generally in a much better mood if I’ve been having regular orgasms.
Diss that is your mistake right there. “How many men does it take to give a woman an orgasm? Who cares!?!?!?”
So really you don’t need sex for that.
I don’t live by that standard, if she likes sex, give me her number, is she doesn’t send her to Rando.
“You mean coitus?”
“It’s a male myth about feminists that we hate sex. It can be a natural, zesty enterprise. “
“Read all about it: Clinton in natural zesty enterprise scandal!”
Hopefully not lemon zest! Ouch!
that guy is my hero
this guy is a DJ on a Boston radio station (he’s either Toucher or Rich).
he also did the same thing during a Hilary Clinton rally in 2008.
It’s Rich. He used to be on a morning radio show in the Dallas metroplex area, and he was talking about holding that sign during a Hillary rally, and how Hillary commented on his sign.
This was Rich during a stunt when he was on a morning show here in Atlanta. This pic was taken during the Masters tournament in Augusta about the fact women aren’t allowed to join the golf club.
How many feminists does it take to screw in a light bulb?
The Answer: 3.
One to screw in the lightbulb while the other two perform a sexual act on me. Bazinga
At least we can screw in a lightbulb and satisfy your needs, what have you done for us lately?
She really should be able to screw in the light bulb and perform sexual favors at the same time.
While ironing a shirt.
We can only do that if you’re wearing the shirt at the time.
And guess where the light bulb is going….
HA! Mabs.
How many men does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Only one. He holds it up and waits for the world to revolve around him.
That sounds more like a teenager.
How many radicalc feminists does it take to change a light bulb?
None; they form a support group, then sit about in the dark waiting for the light bulb to decide that it wants to change!
Radicalc? Is that feminists that are good at advanced mathematics?
Mabs! Are you a radicalc feminist?
Well, I wasn’t going to point this out (having already been accused today of ‘bragging’ on such things), but calculus really doesn’t count as advanced mathematics. It’s a required course for engineers, after all!
Definitely a feminist in the true definition of the word, not what the whacko trolls (is that redundant?) have been saying. But also lucky that my feminist parents (yes, men can be feminists) taught us that it’s about women being free to make choices, not what choices women make. (I still remember my mom being really mad at someone who was criticizing a mom for choosing to stay home with her kids.
)
Calculus = algebra + MAGIC!
Makes me think of a fun fantasy novel: mathemagics, Margaret Ball. The chapter numbers were math jokes (chapter one was e to the zero power, etc), and the magical formulas all were, also.
Oh, I am SUCH a geek!
No, no. This is relevant to my interests.
I’m making a prediction: The Belgian Flag of this LOL is gonna be “and they never will.” Let’s watch and see how it plays out, shall we?
This is clearly not Belgian. The soldier is Israeli I’m sure.
hey he used his OWN MONEY to make the sign, not the goverment taking MY MONEY and giving to him so he could make the sign…and hey its spelled correctly too!
OMG. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I THINK ABOUT Americans/Europeans.
Did you know that Einstein was a socialist?
That guy is bald with glasses and a beard.
I think he’s mistaking feminism for his being unattractive.
Win!
*applauds*
Bravo! Bravo!
When did “bald with glasses and beard” become a staple for the unattractive?
When you’re also holding a sign with “iron my shirt bitch” ?
Yup!
Bald. No problem. Beard? I happen to like them. Glasses–beats the heck out of walking into walls!
Now, if he was holding a sign that said, “I’d love to do your ironing!!”, he would suddenly become very attractive!
Heck, if he just dropped the ‘bitch,’ I would have thought he was funny. Maybe insane, but funny.
See, that’s where lots of males go wrong. They don’t quite get that a little help with domestic chores (which, I’m sorry Rando, but working outside the home or not, those usually fall onto the women’s shoulders–there have been studies) goes a looong way towards smoothing relations in *other* ways.
And vice versa, I’m sure.
Meaning . . . what, exactly?
Well you’re the one that suggested nookie in exchange for ironing. I’m just suggesting ironing in exchange for nookie.
I’m not talking about a “trade” of “services”, sweetheart . . . I’m talking about smoothing relations, and you’re making it all . . . capitalistic. What kinda Eurapeen are you?
He should have known better than to piss us feminists off. Let this be a lesson to all pigs out there.
Pigs are cute and intelligent.
How dare you insult an entire species?
SPECIEIST!!!!11!!1111!!!!11!!!!!!!!
MURDERRRRRRRR!!
*snort*
*offers keithy a truffle*
grunt grunt
surely the response to ‘Chauvanist Pig’ is ‘Feminist B1tch’. (used it before and she got very quiet, very quickly lol)
Loving the humour, and the brass balls of the guy with the poster
But see, “Feminist” is not an insult, and the bitch is in the eye of the beholder . . . apparently she held your opinion in high esteem. I, however, don’t.
Feminist is properly defined elsewhere on this comment thread.
Bitch = Babe In Total Control of Herself.
I fail to see the insult!
Wouldn’t that be a BITCOH?
The “of” is silent.
Kind of like how a woman should be? :-O **dances around** HOW walked into that… HOW walked into that!!!!!!!!!!! **Stands still and awaits belting with Hot Irons**
*headdesk* I can’t believe I walked right in to it. I’m so ashamed.
There there HOw **holds shoulders** It’s not like you just got out smarted by a penis carrying member of the male clan. OH SNAP! You did. **holds out hand for feminist card**
I like the ‘Sexism is a Handicap’ poster. Do sexists get affirmative action, or their own bus?
What do you think the Oscar Meyer Mobile is?
Mmmm giant rolling penis.
they see me rollen…
they haten..
*quick wicky hunt*..Well I know what it is now. Don’t feminists like giant wieners?
That depends. Does the guy know how to use it to make a lady happy? Or is he a ‘plug and play’ loser?
Modesty forbids…
OK, ladies? We need to tackle this guy, and get out the measuring tape!
OW! Gerroff! Nooooo! Look it’s the cold weather, it doesn’t count!
That’s what they all say
I propose an experiment. First we measure him here, then in an airconditioned doctor’s office, and then in a hot tub. Anyone with me?
A fair scientific experiment demands more than one specimen for examination, and in this case that they should be examined under a variety of different forms of stimulation.
Poor guy never had a chance.
I found another experimental subject! ^^
O_O
*vanishes*
I’m with you VG, but paws has a point, we’re really going to need more subjects to make our study accurate.
If you add ‘with your shirts off’ to the list of test variables then I may be interested in volunteering my ‘North Poll’ for this experiment.
The hot tub does have a strict no clothing policy.
Sign me up then, I’m not usually one to drop trou in the name of science, but for this I will make an exception
You even found a volunteer, but take note that I do a bit of experimental design myself, so want a say there!
All feminists are butt ugly. That’s why they hate Sarah Palin. She’s hot, they’re not, and she can probably iron a shirt better than they can.
Yeah, uh, Sarah is not hot. I’d give her 6 out of 10.
Her daughter’s a 10, a fvckin’ 10!
I have to agree…
Pregnancy was certainly kind to…certain parts of her body.
They’re called boobs Ted.
Buuahahahahahaa!!! Oh, that’s funny. And you’re an idiot.
Sarah is attractive, but NO ONE wants to iron a shirt. They shouldn’t even sell shirts or any clothes that need ironing.
Actually, the government should regulate that.
*snort*
As a raging government-hating Conservative who is out to force every woman into pregnancy, I agree with you.
Here’s a hint: unless you need the thing flat-pressed, throw it in the dryer with a damp rag, takes the wrinkles right out.
I avoid ironing at all costs. lol
Or hang it in the bathroom when you take a hot shower, the steam will usually get the wrinkles out if it isn’t to badly wrinkled.
ugh….I have to shower?
Weekly, if not daily. Yes. Unless you like being single?
And unless you like being that crazy person on the bus no one will sit next to.
Of course, in some cities that might be an advantage.
You…don’t…shower? Ew, wicket’s one of the redneck bootleggers from the US Vs. Europe LOL! That avatar was your prom night pic, wasn’t it?
(j/k)
If he doesn’t shower than he must be European.
*runs away laughing maniacally*
@cgray. With your attitude, I would claim to be lesbian if you wanted a date.
OMG are you serious?
Bwaahahahahaha
cgray is still butthurt that his last date looked at it and laughed, then walked out of the room and tweeted how tiny it was to all her friends.
You’d be pissed too if you’d payed her in advance and she only laughed at it.
Will you show us on this here doll where on the body the nasty feminist refused to touch you?
Silly Danb, they didn’t refuse to touch him anywhere, they just refused to touch him gently. They actually insisted that all touching must be done with great force. To be fair though, it was the only way they could get him to stop his advances.
Stop! I’m laughing so hard that my cats are embarrassed!
They could have at least been nice enough to not use those sharp implements to touch with. :/
Because obviously physical attractiveness is the only trait of women that matters, that’s why Sarah Palin would be a great president; she’s hot. *groan* You really take male chauvinism to a new level cgray.
P.S. Mrs. Palin only really rates a 5/10 in my book, something’s seriously wrong with the shape of her skull, and her skin pigmentation is wildly inconsistent.
Well if Palin would be a great president Tina Fey would do just as well, if not better. *votes Tina Fey for president*
Jon Stewart for VP!
Screw that! If we’re voting for funniest President, Jon shall have to run for Pres, and Tina can run for V.P. I like the idea of a woman prez and all, but Jon Stewart is covered in awesome sauce.
::slurp::
No, we were just going by appearance as merit for being president. I would not complain over much about his being president though
Yeah, ditto DU. Cute, smart, funny…they’d be a perfect ticket.
Jon’s funnier.
You don’t even have to add “than [insert name]” for that statement to be true.
Wow, two funny ones in a row! Where am I?
WELCOME TO THE INTERNETS!
(Just for you Rando)
…and they never will.
Hey you think they’ll ever find his body? Did they look by the lake? How about the freeway?
The flag is Belgian!!!!!!!
did the shirt ever get ironed????
Yes. While he was still wearing it.
And they used one of those industrial jobbers where you press the shirt between two hot pieces of metal.
How to get your shirt ironed:
“Honey, you look so nice today and I am such an idiot I can’t even turn on an iron…I was going to run to the mall….but this stupid shirt I want to wear looks terrible..”
“Oh you are such a dufus, let me do it for you..”
Bingo..shirt ironed!!
but if she stops to iron the shirt, how is she suppost to be in the kitchen, making babies and pie?
“making babies and pie”
Both at the same time?
then..baby pie!
BT – Made your favorite, baby and rhubarb pie. And ironed your kilt. Must run and bring peace to the Middle East.
thanks HoW!
but bitter troll is allergic to rhubarb
Hmmm…That’s good to know for the future. Ok, here’s plain baby pie. Now, I REALLY must get back to those peace talks.
My wife irons my shirts (the few I still own that aren’t wrinkle-free never-iron types.)
But only because I am retarded at doing it, and she’d rather not be embarassed at the way I look — it’s embarassing enough already.
And because I ask nicely. And buy her things.
I do sewing repairs on my BF’s clothing for similar reasons (he has all perma-press). He asks nicely, he fixes my computer when it is sick, etc. I wouldn’t mind ironing for him, because I know he would change the cat litter if I was sick.
You throw up in the cat litter? Ew.
Eeeeuwww!
Nonononononono!
Asthmatics with bronchitis have enough trouble breathing without litter dust added. And when the cat litter needs changing, it REALLY needs changing! XP
Hee hee. Being sick = throwing up, in UK.
Ah. Not quite as specific in the US. Obviously!
You need to try the corn cob litter. It works better too.
I’ve never seen that up here. Newspaper-based, cedar chips (neither cut it), but no corn cobs. I’ll keep my eyes open, though!
Even if you can’t find the corn cob stuff, the newest versions of the clumping litter works sooooooo much better than in the past. And in my experience, the cheap stuff works as well as the expensive.
I use the corn cob stuff too. They sell it at target here and it’s great. No dust and much better at reducing odor than even the clay stuff made by the same company. {http://www.armhammerpets.com/essential_litter.aspx}
Our Wal-Mart carries corn cob litter. I used to use it for my conure. They keep it by the hamster supplies.
…or sorting through the dirty laundry, which is how I discovered the adult onset asthma that I’ve got.
The hubby irons everything (all of my stuff is wash and wear) because he likes to iron. I think he’s nuts.
Last time I used a washing machine by myself, it blew up. I’m not even joking, the water pipes in the back burst and flooded the room.
Viking gal, my hot milf wife doesn’t let me date ugly lesbians like you. Sorry. And yes, she knows how to iron.
you never seen VG have you?
And he never will!
but your a cutie! and hetrosexual.
I’m not lesbian. And I’ve been told all of my life that I am on the other side of the spectrum from ugly. But you keep telling yourself that, if it helps you maintain your fantasy world.
Oh, and I have been remiss. Given my politics, I DO know several lesbians. Lets’ see: cute, cute, waay gorgeous, cute, cute, attractive in a handsome way, cute, quite presentable. Nope, no ugly lesbians, sorry!
Most of the lesbians I’ve ever known have been very pretty.
Ok I want to clarfiy something for all the maley male dumb a$$es…. When most straight men hear the word lesbian they get all excited and drooly… when I hear the word lesbian I hear “NOT getting any”, however female bi-sexual…..
Heh. Those are the most fun.
“Hot milf wife?” Oh, you wish, you little turd. We all know you’ve never seen a woman naked.
Not to stray too far off-topic here, but I really have a strong dislike for the term “milf”, because of the implication that there’s a general rule that women who have given birth before (mothers) are not normally sexually attractive.
Now I’m sure someone will insist that you just don’t have a good sense of humor or don’t get the joke properly.
PS But I agree with you.
“are not normally sexually attractive”
Of course they aren’t. Aren’t they just baby making/feeding machines on legs?
Actually I think it’s not that women who give birth aren’t sexually attractive, it’s more the idea that your friends mothers aren’t supposed to be hot because, well, they’re your friends mom. When I think of MILF, I always get the idea that the person using the term is a high school boy.
Ah…that makes more sense. I hear guys MY age using it though…generally meaning, as far as I can tell, “hot woman over about 30 or so…”
BUT under the age of 45, b/c then you get into Cougar territory.
Rawr!
I thought you could hit cougar at 35 providing you were preying on guys sufficiently younger (i.e. barely legal)
That sounds right. But since Nao pointed out that cougars are chasing younger men and I already have one that comes instead of having to be chased, I have decided that being a cougar is silly.
DU: I’ve chased AWAY men that young . . . damn, they are pushy these days with older women. I wonder if my mom ever had that problem. Come to think of it, she DID date a guy, when I was in high school, who was 26 . . . that’s right. She almost didn’t date him, because she thought he was too young! LOL
She was 40 or 41. Then, she ends up marrying my stepdad just 4 years later, who was 11 years younger. In both cases, though, they did the chasing, not her.
Mabs: I think they like the chase, as do the younger men, it’s the whole playing hard to get thing.
Nao:I’ve heard alot of guys say older women are more generous in bed, might explain why they’re so pushy.
When I’m older I really don’t think I’ll make a good cougar, I slept with a guy who was about for years younger than me (he was 19), I didn’t find out his age till after and I honestly felt dirty for that, and not the good dirty.
Nao, the older you are, the less the same age difference matters. I.e., 35 is fine if you’re 45, but 15 when you’re 25…ew…and illegal.
DU, mine has never played hard to get…at any age.
Want to know the bad kind of dirty? I didn’t do anything but drool all night, but the night my stepbrother got married, I met my new stepsister-in-law’s brother . . . OMG, was that guy hot-hot-hot.
I found out much later in the evening that he was STILL IN HIGH SCHOOL. I was 34 or 35 . . . I felt pervy-icky!!
(OK, what’s the code for the blushing, again?)
:redface:
Mabs: I know about the older age +/- same years-thing, but at 41, 26 was too young; at 45, 34 was OK to marry.
LOL
It wasn’t THAT different.
Years later, about a month before I turned 39, I met a guy who wouldn’t give up until I went out on a date with him. He was 28–same age difference.
My fiance, who’s 1 year younger, has NEVER dated in his own age cohort . . . he says (in an attempt to needle me) that 1/2 his age is about right . . . I don’t give him the satisfaction of much more than a squinty-eyed glare.
I guess I should say, “He’s never dated in his own age cohort . . . until he met ME.”
Either he’s saying you look alot younger than you are or he’s saying you’re really immature for your age
Still can’t figure out the stupid redface. That’s what it says in ‘properties’ for the blushing face.
I dunno, someone in their 30s is waaaaay different than someone in their 20s. But really, it’s been so long since I dated. Some guy was chatting me up at the store, so I pointed out that my ring was a wedding ring (it’s a sapphire rather than a diamond so not everyone realizes that) and he said ‘Oh, that’s okay.’ I told him that if that was okay with him I wouldn’t be interested in going out with him if I wasn’t married. Yuck. Guys like that make me glad I am married.
D.U.: I prefer to think HE matured a LITTLE, AND I’m younger looking that I am.
For the most part, Mabs, I agree that guys in their 20s are too young/immature for long-term (fun for a fling, though
), yet it really all depends on where you’re at in your life and what you want out of it. If he wants what you do, then there’s no problem. I know several May-December couples (most of them older guys/younger women, of course) who seem to do just fine, and have been together long years.
So, Nao, when your fellow says that he likes women half his age, you say, primping, “So you must be talking about physical appearance, right?” The beauty is what can he do except agree that will end well for him.
I had a hot photocopy repair guy call me a “yummy mummy”. He was ten years younger than I, I was not offended.
But that’s cute. The other is just crude.
Oh, NOW you get a sense of humor. Sheesh
Are you confused? She doesn’t like the term . . .
Just cuz she pasted some smileys on her post, doesn’t mean she’s laughing about it.
Or am I confused?
No, you’re not. I was just ignoring him. According to ILPB I am a cougar now anyway, so it’s no longer relevant to me. *skips away singing “I love kitties”*
You’re a cougar? You said you’ve been married 23 years . . . how’s that a cougar?
Actually together 23, married 20. But I thought that was the natural progression (from MILF, which I repeat I do dislike, to cougar)? *goes to check wiki*
Ahem. Yes, well. I fit the *age* part of the description at least.
Yeah, I haven’t wikied, or anything, but I think the term applies to women who seek out young men . . . .
Which, a few years past, I guess I could be guilty of . . .
Now, my fiance is 1 whole year younger–and he loves to call me “grandma”–I’m going to kick his little behind, one of these days!
My husband is almost exactly 5 years older than I am. But he doesn’t use dead mice as cat toys! Still ew.
Of course, we would never touch a dead mouse with bare hands because of bubonic plague.
Oh, that’s what’s wrong with him! Now, I get it.
Oh, sorry. Thought that was obvious. (It is, after all, the only thing I know about him.)
*now envisioning Nao introducing him — “This is my fiance, who uses dead mice as cat toys.”*
Hey grandma iron my shirt, and fetch me a beer on your way to the luandry room!!!
I said HE calls me that, and I’m going to kick his little behind, one of these days . . . . what do you think I’m going to do to YOU?
*mabs reappears, waving stungun* Sorry, I had to go to work again. Would you like to borrow this, Nao?
I had to go,suddenly, too. Just got back, but I’ll borrow that and lie in wait for that churlish character . . .
Feminism is stupid. If women want something, do it the traditional way. If I piss my wife off, she threatens to kick me in the n*ts. Works like a charm. It’s called compromise.
Obviously she hasn’t done it often enough.
zing!
WHY DID WE HAVE TO STOP ACTING LIKE WE DID A ZILLION YEARS AGO!!!! WHY CANT I BEAT MY WIFE??? HOW DARE SHE VOTE?? SHE BETTER SHUT HER BITCH MOUTH BEFORE BITTER TROLL SMACK HER MOUTH
*clubs bitter troll over the head and drags him back to the cave by his hair* Ugh! Ugh ugh! *offers bitter troll to Charro* Ugh?
Hahaha! This is what I’m talkin’ about!
I sentence you to Death……….by Snoo-snoo! Woohoo!
Unga unga! ugh ugh!! Woohoogogog!!
Ugh ogghung? Oghhh! *throws dear skin over bitter, grabs some vines and wraps them around bitter and the skin, then ties the vines into a perfect bow that would put Martha Stewart to shame and offers the wrapped present to Charro* Gha!
dear skins? like skins that are dear to you?
cause deer skins might work better
UGh! Ogga ogga? gah!*
*That bear skin was a gift from my dead grandmother and is very dear to me. Why are you conscious? Stop talking or I’ll be forced to club you over the head again.
Actually, I believe the correct term for that is “whipped”. Also, sounds like you have GREAT home life, with all the violent threats and all… /facepalm
No, see, whipped implies he’s actually getting some. Also implies he doesn’t mind it.
Women -blank- while corprate CEO’s play…
what is the blank we cannot see?
bitter troll hope it says Iron
I think it says left elbow.
Nope, sorry, misread it, that’s right elbow.
Ooh be better if it said JIGGLE
What if it’s “pay”? Women Pay While CEO’s Play? It puts a whole new spin on who’s the whore.
Let’s face it. I’M the whore. *sigh*
*hangs head in shame*
-hands rando a 20-
afterwards say” what a lovely tea party”
Yeah, equip fanatics with extremly hot metal objects and then insult them. Great survival strategy.
Okay, all men are total scum. If it would benefit my wife in the least I’d commit suicide. There. Does that placate all you women who have been abusing me in so many ways all my life?
Stop and read the other comments… Oh never mind, some folks can’t even borrow a clue.
Yes,yes, we know you are superior.
You don’t get some very often, do you? I may be whipped pretty good, but dammit, I’m getting some!
In between the asthma attacks.
Could be one of the causes of those asthma attacks. But well worth it.
Considering we don’t do it on the dirty laundry, that’s not much of an issue.
Wow, there some angry guys out there…
not angry any more-too damaged
Then get some therapy. Jeebus. Don’t go blaming everybody on PK for your inability to get help for your problems. We’re not here to be your revenge surrogates for that mean lady that took your candy away in 3rd grade.
Sorry to hear that Schmoe… really, I am.
Try this song. It might cheer you up!
Sh!t I’m crying now.
“We live. We die and death not ends it.”-Morrison
Death is pretty much the end, I’m fairly sure of that.
Depends on your faith. But let’s not get into a religious flame war.
But, but, but….I have all these marshmallows ready. What am I going to do with them now?!?
-smacks canuck with a marshmellow- MELLOW WAR!!!
Dude….you’re ruining my mellow. :smacks bitter with graham crackers and chocolate, runs away:
Explode them in a microwave!
Have you ever cleaned that up?
That’s why you keep them on a paper plate.
I can tell you what you can do with them……
And the melted chocolate?
Now that’s just kinky… but I like where you’re going.
But, but, it’s so much fun!
“Iron my shirt, bi—HEY! GYAH! I MEANT – OW! – AFTER I TAAAAAHHHHHKE IT – YEOW! – OFF!”
So, did they ever learn their lesson and iron his shirt? I’m curious to know.
Yes, look at the comment directly above yours. They are ironing Azky’s shirt right now.
If you really want something done you’ll do it yourself though.
My girlfriend is messy, but I don’t tell her to clean up after herself, I fold up her clothes and put them away and generally tidy up her mess, I kiddingly bring it up but I don’t care, because I’m the one who doesn’t like the mess… and I quite like tidying up.
*sigh* Oh I do love the smell of a sexism debate in the morning, smells like victory.
Are you sure it doesn’t smell like chest hair singed by an iron? Some would say -that- smells like victory.
More like sloppy work ethic though one has to wonder what level of bile has to exist in a relationship when such things come to past. I’ve always been of a mind that if you hate each other that much, you are both emotionally stunted and should leave the company of one another.
we can all sit and debate sexizyum while the women-folk make up some snacks
Hmm, not sure they would safe for you to eat…
Hi good-lookin’! I’ll iron your shirt… you have to be wearing it at the time, though. >:)
And, I will put the toilet seat down for you as long as your head is in the bowl.
Cleaning the bowl?
As so many seem to think it would be OK to kill the guy, does this mean it is OK for men to kill women who talk smack about men?
Or, are you just a bunch of hypocrites?
**FLAME ON**
It is not my fault most feminists are hypocrites.
They think it is funny to talk about abusing and killing men and fly off the handle when someone makes a similar joke about women.
They protest anything they see as degrading to women, but think anything that shows men as useless and incompetent is absolutely hilarious. Just browse any greeting card shop.
They say they can do the same jobs as men, but only as long as the physical requirements for them to do the job is different. Just look at the PT tests for women vs. men for the police, fire departments, and military.
Feminists don’t want equality, they want superiority.
Radical feminists do want superiority, however they are in the minority. Most feminist want equality, it’s just the bitterness seeps through. So you’re pretty much an a$$hat for generalizing people. You’re also a hypocrite for getting pissy about generalizations towards men, when you’re generalizing people.
Most feminists want superiority and are just quiet about it. When was the last time you heard of feminists making a stink about a women-only anything?
Seen any feminists protesting Shapes because Shapes is unisex?
Seen any feminists protesting Hallmark because they have cards that are degrading to men?
Seen any feminists arguing that the physical requirements for any job should be the same for both sexes?
No, but you see just the opposite with feminists protesting men’s only establishments, anything that makes women the butt of jokes or degrades women in any way, and claiming that, while they can do everything a man can do, they have to have special, and easier requirements.
You just don’t like people showing you how hypocritical feminists actually are.
The one thing I don’t like about feminists is that they don’t seem to want to speak out about the atrocities on women in muslim nations. I just can’t understand that at all. But they will diss any western man for the tiniest hint of chauvinism
Gross generalization, n00b, gross generalization.
You think? I think it’s political, feminism has gotten too political. It should be about women, all women and their rights to equality or to at least be treated well…
How can that not be political? One has to use the political process to change discriminatory laws (regardless of whom they discriminate against).
But, my impression is it’s gone to far to one side of the political spectrum, instead of being about all women, left and right. You can be pro woman and still be conservative, like myself.
Yes, but it’s a bit like being a Republican teacher. Historically, it’s not the side that has supported teachers, so you’ll be the odd man (hee hee) out. We all have to live with our choices, political or otherwise.
Kind of like a Democratic Defense Contractor. Why not vote yourself out of a job!! Oh I went there..
Or a Republican fighting for alternative fuel. You’re killing your own oil profits that way!
*waits for the ass beating on that one*
Well assume the position!
I want alternative fuels and all the alternative stuff I can get my hands on. I just don’t want it mandated by the government, or be taxed exceedingly for my choice…
Why would they tax it if they mandate it’s production?
You have that impression because the loudest voices on either side of the aisle tend to be, well, the loudest and most extreme. Those are the people that forget that feminism is about equality and choice. Being told that you’ve made the wrong choice, regardless of what it is, is anti-feminist and anti-woman.
wait when did it become wrong to hit women for talking smack?
When they started fighting back?
Bitter, what you and Charro do in the privacy of your own cave, or under the privacy of your own bridge is your own business. Also, didn’t you buy her a ball gag last christmas anyways?
He did, but sometimes he likes to hear me scream anyway.
I don’t really know what you mean by being too political in this context. Maybe examples would help?
Not to mention that feminism means a lot of different things in different contexts and to different people.
OMG, I don’t know what kind of women YOU know, but this is a frequent topic in all the circles I frequent. Perhaps there is a reason you are hearing about ‘western men’?
I must be tired. You wrote “western men,” and I heard it in this voice………
Yay, Pet Shop Boys! I was the same class at uni with Chris Lowe.
As for atrocities in Muslim nations, I read about the Taliban, and the crap they were doing to the women in Afghanistan eons before 9/11. Actually, I believe that George HW Bush was in office when I read that article…in a feminist magazine known as ‘Ms’. Here is an article from 1998 on the topic {http://www.msmagazine.com/news/uswirestory.asp?id=3281}
It is not my fault most people are hypocrites.
There, I fixed that for you.
Cookies for diss for being the fix-it girl!
No, you broke it. Just because you don’t like the message or the truth, it does not give you the right to change either.
So your world view is that hypocrisy is now limited only and solely to feminists? That’s interesting.
Wait, though, does that mean that everyone who’s a hypocrite is also a feminist?
See, there you go trying to change the message again. Maybe you should take a reading comprehension course. Maybe some logic courses too.
I see you like to use red herrings, trying to change the argument to something you can win instead of the actual discussion. And, your second paragraph shows you have no clue about logic.
You argue just like a liberal and a feminist, by purposely misrepresenting and misstating what is said by your opponents and then acting on your own misstatements and misrepresentations.
Nope, you said “most feminists are hypocrites”; I pointed out that most people in general are hypocrites, and you….apparently disagree?
Logically if, as I propose, most people are hypocrites, and accepting the premise that all feminists are people, then your statement is, of course, true; however, I think it’s unnecessarily limited in scope.
Now, now, diss. You know all that logic stuff is too hard for the boys to understand.
Apparently I’ve been hanging around with too many liberals; I’m bilingual now! I can argue in liberal! Lol….
*sigh* Let me rephrase this, Dave: Why would you expect feminists, as a group, to be any less hypocritical than other discrete groups of people or than people in general?
because men are perfect and can do no wrong no matter what (according to my former mil…… i used to tell myself she was being sarcastic, but then one day i realized she meant it ! )
That’s always rather frightening when you’re having one of ‘those’ discussions with someone and you think they’re joking and then realize that they are totally friggin’ serious. I had one of those with someone about Mexicans once…. *shudders*
Messicans?? Damn Messicans? Always comin’ in here and stealing our jobs, riding our women, and raping our bikes…..
Now that would be funnier if it weren’t close to the content of the conversation. I was getting pissed because I thought the guy was making these racist jokes, then I realized that he really meant it. Ew.
My poor bicycle is still in therapy….
My friend has a nice unicycle looking for a buddy….
So long as it isn’t of messican, those just bring back the memories, and the nightmares. Ever hear a bicycle wake up screaming?
Surprise surprise, a sexist comment degrading men. Why am I not surprised? You are hoist on your own petard.
Seeing as logic was pioneered by men, I somehow doubt the truthfulness of your statement.
Tell us, Dave, why do you feel so threatened by women?
Because we’re mean and use the evil logic stuff on him.
Do you even know what the term “hoist by your own petard” means or did you read it in your pop-up book in grade school and think it sounded edjumacated?
And you argue like a liberal, Diss!! Buahahahahaa!! :-p
OMG, I missed that! Diss is a liberal. Diss is a liberal! *dances around singing*
[Cartman voice] Screw you guys, I’m goin’ home! [/Cartman voice]
Well, to lunch, anyway.
**takes down Hot Conservative Gal Calendar, and rips out month of December** Damn it Diss, now I won’t know what day Christams will fall on!!!!!
dude, why is june clever on the hot conservative gal of the month calander?
It’s thin pickings here ok…. they’re either ditzes (Chick from the Hills) or have Adma’s apples (Ms. Coulter)….
well she does have ahot pearl necklace and boy sized beaver
**head desk** I walked right into that didn’t I?
Eeek! mabs you aren’t making it any better! Logic stuff is too hard for angry frothy trolls – there, that’s better!
No, I said you are changing my statement into something I did not say. You fixed nothing, but rather reworded what I actually said into something that did not make the point I was making. And, you did it because you didn’t agree with it, not because it was false.
It is limited in scope because of the scope of the statement in general. You wish to change the scope to dilute the effect of the argument. And again, you are doing so because you don’t like the message.
Rather than deal with the message, you change the message into something you prefer.
Calm down! You got dumped recently, didn’t you? Who hurt you!? WHO!!??
EvilDave stars in The 40-year-old Virgin Pt. 2.
It’s called a syllogism. Diss pointed out that your statement (Most feminists are hypocrites) was the the concluding statement of a syllogism beginning with her statement (Most people are hypocrites). The inference, of course, being that your statement although true (by syllogism because her statement is true) brings no new information.
One could just as easily have said that most men are hypocrites, that most women are hypocrites, most lumberjacks are hypocrites, etc.
Diss, I still think it’s too complicated for him.
Lumberjacks are not hypocrites!! Lumberjacks are “okay”!!
*starts singing*
I cut down trees. I skip and jump.
I like to press wild flowers.
I put on women’s clothing
And hang around in bars.
MOUNTIES:
He cuts down trees. He skips and jumps.
He likes to press wild flowers.
He puts on women’s clothing
And hangs around in bars?!
He’s a lumberjack, and he’s okay.
He sleeps all night and he works all day.
Cool. Nine minutes to the appearance of the Lumberjack Song…including the typing time! Very impressive.
Wut?? Too flippant?
No, no. Very impressive. I put ‘lumberjack’ in just to see how long it took for someone to bring up the song.
Curse you, Mabs!! I fell for it.
I’m glad you did! That song brings up good memories!
Unfortunately, that syllogism is a red herring because we are not talking about all people but just feminists. In other words, trying to change the statement and argument, which is the point of a red herring.
*headdesk*
Clueless. You’re absolutely clueless.
And seriously overmatched. Realize you’ve lost.
Actually he has an amazing defense for his argument. It’s the impenetrable shield of eyes closed, ears plugged, and head up his ass. Against that we cannot win.
Gosh, you’re right! I might have to try that someti—
No, never mind.
Oh, and her argument is also a logical fallacy: Appeal to common practice.
Something is not right, justifiable, etc. just because it is a common practice.
HI STRAWMAN HOW ARE YOU?! YOU SEEM TO BE DOING FINE TODAY CAUSE I SAW WHAT YOU DID THERE!
I’ll try this again. It’s not a matter of diluting your argument, it’s a matter of “Well, duh. Like everybody else.” I’m not sure from what you are getting that I “don’t like the message” as I’m clearly in agreement with you that the group you are discussing, like the majority of people, can and does have hypocritical attitudes and behaviors.
He just wants to be angry and yell. You were interfering with that reason and logic stuff…
You are not in agreement with me.
I do not believe all people are hypocrites. Of those who are hypocrites, fewer still behave as feminists do, to wit not only to engage in the behaviors they decry but also to emulate all the worst traits of those they decry and still claim moral superiority.
Okay, apparently a reading fail as well as a logic fail. No one said ALL people are hypocrites.
Fine, I do not believe most people are hypocrites either.
Well, I’m glad we were able to clarify your position.
Woman hating troll hates women…and fear them…fears them greatly…
You can take it Dave. Be a man.
I figured out who this EvilDave guy is! I met him a few years ago, he was sadly friends with some of my friends. I remember him because at one point he had me in a corner and was going to try things I didn’t approve of(at least I didn’t approve of with him). I maybe pulled a knife on him when he didn’t take no, hell no, back the fsck up, and I mean it, for an answer. Knife to the chest is a very persuasive argument. But if all his ‘dates’ go like that one did it would explain why he’s so bitter with women.
Do you think maybe you could find an unbiased source for that, or are you committing the fallacy of Hasty Generalisation?
Are you going to compound it by adding an Appeal to Authority?
Come on EvilDave. Let’s play.
Just as I suspected.
-bursts in from the pirate thread, grabs charro and pillages her booty-
*is booty pillaged*
Feminist women who still think that guy’s sign is funny must post \/ here \/ .
I know I’m not the only one in this pool.
Agreed. He was pretty awesome.
-reads off teleprompter-
you Rando, are a jackass
-teehee-
no offense rando
Well you owe it to me to try, dearest.
Well, I’ll try, but I really think it’s going to take alot of work to beat that. We could be at it for years.
This picture was doctored. The word “bitch” was not on the sign. One side said, “Iron My Shirt,” and the other side said, “Make Me Dinner.” I know. I was there.
Now explain to bitter troll what you was protesting? Mens wearhouse? sexyism in what form? “old boys club” ? what men are not allowed to have a place they can go and get away from the womens? women are allowed in the mens locker rooms if they are reporters…now if a man tried to access a ladies locker room to do reporting while they was showering pretty sure someone would get pissy
Actually they throw stuff. Somehow they knew I wasn’t a real reporter.
It was that disposable camera. Next time spring for something digital at the very least.
bitter troll wears his best clark kent outfit and it works
I’m guessing telling them to arch their backs and lick their lips didn’t help.
or offer to help with any shaveing
The question “Now, will you be celebrating your win with a lesbian orgy” is also not a question real reporters ask.
And where exactly is the body?
clearly they ate it…but they didnt cook it cause expecting the woman to do the cooking is sexist
kind of like Sushi?
mmmmmm raw fish….wait is that sexist too?
I’m sure somewhere a radical can find fault with Sushi somehow. I’m sure a religious freak could find something too.
This thread reminds me of PCU…
Hey Hey Ho Ho this penis party’s got to go hey hey ho ho this penis party’s got to go
Cuttered and pastered from Wikipaedia:
“Among the Somali people, most clans have a taboo against the consumption of fish, and do not intermarry with the few occupational clans that do eat it.[32] This abhorrence of fish is a trademark of other such Hamitic peoples of Northeast Africa, although it can now also be observed amongst a few tribes in Southeast Africa through a process of cultural diffusion.[33]
Certain species of fish are also forbidden in Judaism such as the freshwater eel (Anguillidae) and all species of catfish. Although they live in water, they appear to have no fins or scales (except under a microscope). (See Leviticus). Sunni Muslim laws are more flexible in this and catfishes and sharks are generally seen as halal as they are special types of fish; eel is considered permitted in the majority of the Islamic schools while Shia Muslims forbid it.[34][35][36] A common interpretation regarding some of the Islamic prohibitions is that animals that “live in both worlds” may not be consumed[citation needed]. This applies to primarily aquatic animals that nest or breed on land.”
“Freshperson Sam!”
OMG, I love that movie!
*headkeyboards again*
Oh, the hupersonity!
My college uses ‘first year student’ and ‘freshman’ about 1/2 and 1/2. I personally like ‘froshburger’!
I heard this guy on the radio this morning so this caption is fail.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Toucher_and_Rich_Show
**hands … a dime** Here go buy a sense of humor.
you can get 3 for one at the wal-mart bargin bin, if you dont mind a lil bit of lead
Feminists are pretty sexist…
ya but with some make up and a nice push up bra, bitter troll would tap a few of them
shaving optional?
well how does she look in a goatee?
Like an old-timey villain?
What do they mean with “sexism is a handicap”? Does that imply that one should feel sorry for sexists (and racists and other stereotypists) for their handicap? Can’t say I wanna. :p
I can’t tell for SURE, but it kinda looks like to me that the protest may have something to do with golf….which would make “sexism is a handicap” a pun.
Some where on this thread someone said that it was outside a men’s only golf course, so that’s probably it. (Although I didn’t catch the pun until Diss pointed it out — not one of my sports.)
If we can have gyms just for women, why can’t you have a golf course just for men? Unless it’s a public course, I guess.
Yes, a public course obviously can not be allowed to discriminate, but I don’t know where this is. I only know what little I read from the person’s post, sorry.
It’s a private course. Augusta is privately owned and is very exclusive (only 300 members at any one time).
bitter troll is sexist…does bitter troll get better parking space?
Come on BT you know it’s WIMMIN that need wider parking spaces!!!
only the ones with big fat butts…but they need wider parking spaces in the back of the lot so they can walk it off and look good for men
*glares at bitter* I say good day sir. And I do not lie. You other brothers can’t deny.
yes we can
*sings*
AAAAHH, you gonna take me home tonight?
AAAAHH, down beside that red firelight;
are you gonna let it all hang out?
Fat bottomed girls,
You make the rockin’ world go round.
A little google-fu suggests that it may be Augusta National, which is not just private but insanely exclusive. Apparently there’s been ongoing controversy blahblahblah over the fact that they don’t have any female members. There’s apparently only about 300 members at any given time and it’s insanely exclusive with a huge waiting list. They don’t have any particular policy barring women (or anyone else) but they didn’t have a black member until 1990….I get the impression that it’s not a place where anyone moves up the waiting list too fast unless they could potentially make an offer to buy the place outright. And apparently women are allowed to play there as guests of members, so it’s not like they’re completely banned or anything.
Seems a silly thing to make a huge fuss over, but then I don’t play golf and if I did it’d probably be on one of our local public courses, so maybe I just don’t “get it”.
Yes, still cleaning my pretty, WORKING dryer so no googling time. Thanks for info. BTW, Augusta only allowed their first black member because the PGA announced they were not going to hold any more tournaments any place that discriminated on the basis of race.
That’s most of my golf trivia right there!
And I think the PGA was forced to confront Augusta on that because Tiger Woods was going pro. And it would look REALLY bad to have a PGA tournament at a course where Tiger Woods would not be able to be a member… Whoops!
The fuss over men-only golf courses is based on the fact that inviting a colleague to play a round of golf at one’s country club is a time-honored way of firming/developing business contacts.
Me, I like the quote attributed to Samuel Johnson about golf…it ruins a perfectly good walk!
I think that was Twain.
I have a serious problem with forcing a private entity to do anything it doesn’t want to do. The sanctions are just fine, but to force Augusta to allow women as members just because some women are pissy about it is stupid. Go, form your own, No Boys Allowed golf course and shut the hell up! As Diss pointed out, if we can have all-girl gyms and whatnot, why can’t the guys walk around in all of their old man nekkidness without having to worry about a woman seeing it and being scandalized??
They’ve always had women play there–as guests. The women can’t be members, so they can’t invite guests. And of course since women don’t occupy most of the fortune 500, they don’t tend to have the moulah as of yet to buy and start their own golf courses.
It isn’t as big an issue now as when you were in diapers, so it is a bit hard for you young pups to understand the urgency of the 70′s and 80′s for this sort of thing. *creeky voice* Now back when I was your age…!
Now of course we have up-and-coming women forming wine tasting groups and so forth!
Either way, the libertarian side of my brain goes all twitchy at trying to force a private organization to do something because someone else thinks they should. Or not do something because someone else is pissy about it. ARGH.
I understand your twitchiness. I share a little bit of it; but have more experience with the other side of things, having grown up pre-Xena. I sooo wish I had had Xena on tv when I was a kid!
“I have a serious problem with forcing a private entity to do anything it doesn’t want to do.”
I totally agree. Private groups or clubs should be allowed to discriminate as much as they please. (But of course it should still be perfectly fine for anyone to protest against them as much as they want to.)
Oh, I didn’t see that, but when you say it it seems plausible.
… but then they’d be saying that sexism is a great equalizer system that allows people to meet and compete on somewhat more similar terms?
My ickle gurly brain gets overheated now!
Okay, now Danbala’s expecting sense from protest signs. Geez. Next you’ll want us to proof read,,,
*headkeyboard*
You’re right, I don’t know what I was thinking there.
Isn’t that hard on the keyboard? Oh, and your head, um, of course, your head?
A wee bit, but clearing everything away to be able to headdesk is just too much work.
Typical lazy American. Oh, wait, wrong stereotype. *goes to look up Swedish insults*
Bwah!
You know, I think that IS what they’re saying.
They’re weird. ;p
WTF is going on here, can we get back to the Sexist b’stard in the picture? Any “bitch” out there prepared to straighten out something of mine that’s all wrinkled and could do with an “iron”?
Dr K
That’s Rich Shirtenlieb from Totcher and Ritch in Boston, Morning on 98.5 the Sports Hub. That guy is friggin hilarious!
he will never find a womens body….
oooohhh, he should have gone with the classic: “Make me a Sandwich” I am thoroughly disappointed.
that guy is my hero.