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ABRAHAM LINCOLN When brains, courage, strength of character, and love of country was more important than spin doctors, questionable ethics and love of the all mighty dollar. He would never be elected today.
(Abraham Lincoln)
He’d probably run as third part candidate anyway.
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but he would never get assasinated this way!
thats a good thing
hmmm, lets see what was going on then…. oh yes, the war between the states – not a war of foreign soil, but one in our own yard. which because of armed insurrection gives the federal government the legal right to declare martial law. which he didn’t do, could have, but didn’t. except maybe in specific locations. there was a lot more control, constitution ignoring events during wwii and few bat an eye at those or at the maccarthy inquisition that followed, why is that?
Lincoln suspended Habius Corpus, which is why he is now a controversial figure. Whenever someone spoke out against the Union, they would be thrown in jail (If they were considered a big enough threat).
His first term and the onset of the war were entirely governed by politics and not by strength of character, etc. He was not anti-slavery until he had gotten elected for a second term and did not need to worry about re-election.
Americans like to romanticize the Civil War. The country was just as corrupt as it is now. People had the same motivations and Lincoln was no exception.
He was president over a turbulent time in our Country’s past. He did take major steps towards freeing slaves.
It is important to remember that only a tiny minority of the North believed in equality of races. Abolitionists believed in ending slavery, the vast majority did not believe that the races were equal. Slavery was seen as a sin on the part of the country, and if the country wanted to prosper it had to be ended. That has nothing to do with equality.
A side note: The “no third term” rule was placed into effect after FDR, who served two and a half terms. Before that it was simply a matter of being a gentleman and stepping aside. Lincoln was not legally bound to do so.
Further Side Note:
Most presidents did not try to win consecutive terms. It was common place to win one year and simply not run in the next election. Politics have changed quite a bit.
Talk about Habus Corups, George W. got shot of that too, has Obama put it back yet?
Er, corpus.
Odd typos ‘r’ us.
I don’t think Habus Corpus has been taken seriously since FDR started putting Asian-Americans into internment camps during WW2.
A famous quote from Lincoln on slavery:
“My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause.”
I think it’s quite clear from that that he really didn’t care about whether slavery continued or not, and sure as hell didn’t think blacks deserved equal rights. He ONLY cared about preserving the Union, which is why he was willing to leave slavery, and suspend constitutionally guaranteed rights to do so.
That’s really not true. The problem with quoting the interweb is that it gives you no context. If you read a biography about Lincoln (I recommend the one by Stephen B Oates) you will find that Lincoln was in fact opposed to slavery and wanted to abolish it since he was a child, BUT was not willing to abolish it in a way that would destroy the union AND was aware of the simple political reality that if he said up front that he wanted to abolish slavery he would never have been elected. He said things like the above quote because it was a political necessity, not because that’s what he personally believed.
Really what Lincoln wanted was to abolish slavery gradually in a way that would allow the slave states to adapt economically as slavery ended but the war pushed his hand.
What the hell does WW2 have to do with Lincoln? FDR was an evil bastard too. McCarthyism was nothing more than a modern era witch hunt used to eliminate political enemies. Yes, somehow Lincoln’s actions are justified because other presidents did equally evil things?
Violations of the constitution are violations of the constitution and are sufficient to say that he did not have strength of character, love of country, or ethics.
I think your previous post in which you give a lengthy quote by lincoln saying he would do whatever it took to keep the nation whole would be in direct conflict with the statement that “he did not have…love of country…”
Not taking sides in the whole good prez v. bad prez debate
That aside, this meme is just wrong. Brains, courage, strength of character was NOT more important than spin, ethics, etc. Lincoln was barely electable then and was defeated more times than he was elected.
1832 – Defeated for legislature
1834 – Elected to legislature
1838 – Defeated for speaker
1840 – Defeated for elector
1843 – Defeated for Congress
1846 – Elected for Congress
1848 – Defeated for Congress
1855 – Defeated for Senate
1856 – Defeated for Vice-President
1858 – Defeated for Senate
1860 – Elected President
You’re right on. Try googling info about his presidential campaign. The mud slinging and political spin from his election puts what we have today to shame!
Indeed. Lincoln held a series of debates against Stephen Douglas (who he lost to) debating their thoughts on the issues of the day, and that was an almost unheard of idea. The norm was that presidential candidates wouldn’t even ACKNOWLEDGE difficult issues until they were elected, much less have televised debates about them.
Yeah, he didn’t do anything right! Emancipation Schmancipation!
You DO realize that the Emancipation Proclamation didn’t actually free any slaves, right? It only freed slaves in rebelling states. If you don’t believe me, go read the wording yourself. Thus, slaves that remained in West Virginia, Maryland, and DC weren’t freed and, well, why the hell would a Confederate citizen release slaves based on what the Union President decreed?
The slaves weren’t freed until after Lincoln was assassinated and a constitutional amendment was passed. Learn your history, you ignorant moron.
“and love of the all mighty dollar” – oh rly? Google the reason he was assassinated, don’t be an ignorant douche.
John Wilkes booth was a crazy southern sympathist who was pissed at lincoln because of the emancipation proclamation. it had nothing to do with money.
JWB was standing in a long line of people who wanted to do what he did. Calling JWB a sypathist is a way of dismissing criticism of Abraham Lincoln.
Right on!
The historical circumstances surrounding the Conquest of the Confederacy (the legitimate term for what some of you may call “The Civil War) have been tremendously obscured by the New Left. Indeed, this is no surprise, since the oppressors of freedom have a twofold advantage here. First, they succeeded militarily (and history is written by the victors). Second, they have a bountiful array of moral superiority trump cards to play against, you know, facts, and stuff.
The idea that the re-establishment of Carolinian sovereignty could be based on anything other than an absolute desire to exert tyranny over another race is unspeakable in modern political discourse. We can handily ignore the fact that the politicians who initiated the secession expressed concerns that Lincoln was a tyrant with no respect for state sovereignty (remember that union of sovereign states?) and no concern for individual liberty. Of course, we have to also ignore that these allegations were absolutely true (remember declaring martial law on his own union and suspending writ of habeas corpus?).
It matters little to these ignorant, left-leaning “academics” that Lincoln vastly expanded the role of the president and affirmed, unconstitutionally, that the United States were not, in fact, United States, but actually Submissive States. Any history professor will tell you that, pre-war, the term “United States” was held in the vernacular to be plural, whereas post-war, it is held to be singular. What they won’t tell you is that that is EXACTLY why the South chose to get its ass out of that sinking ship, and rightly so.
*sarcasm* But you know secess must be swept away by the hand of God, like the jews of old.
(That is a quote, for those of you who are uninformed)
If you use quotations marks, you won’t have to point out to the “uninformed” that it’s a quote.
Around here? Yes, you would.
Since you’re a regular, do you include yourself in that assessment?
No, just the trolls. They love to look for nits to pick. Makes them feel important.
From what I’ve seen so far, nit-picking is a favorite pastime of many of the posters, as is demonstrating one’s superiority to those they disagree with.
True, though you will often find the regulars do it just for fun, knowing that the rest of us know it’s just a sense of humor. Almost mocking the trolls.
Someone has to pick the nits out of the trolls since they can’t seem to understand proper hygiene. If we let them go running around covered in nits we’d all probably nits.
Ooooh, I see what you did there.
Ah… a rare breed of troll is this one. It’s the Anti-Regulars Troll. They don’t care who the regulars are or what they stand for, they just don’t like them. Typically such trolls are apt to be picked on in their high school and the popular kids won’t let them sit at their table. Like all trolls, they bring their frustration to the internet. Next on PK animal planet…
And not smart enough to catch on to me calling him a troll.
It should be noted that not all those picked on in High School go on to become anti-regular trolls. Most actually go on to lead productive fulfilling lives. These rare few who do become trolls are usually captured and taken to research labs to be studied in hopes of finding a cure.
*speaking in an Oxford English accent*
Thank you Jane, and next on PK animal planet: The Schizo Troll!
Mostly known throughout the PK Serengeti as the “sock puppet, sock master, or the preferred: fvckweasel.”
Most notably identified by it’s similar typing styles throughout “persona progression”, and it shared MO between “personas”.
Usually the schizo troll causes medium irritation much like that of a rash, or an eyelash in the eye. But like these common mild disturbances, applying cream or plucking the troll out of your eye and dismissing them usually solves the dilemma.
In extreme instances, usually after the schizo troll has spread itself thin between personas, it will start to develop, personal abhorrent feelings towards specific regular members within the community. Oftentimes the schizo troll will form a newly evolved persona strictly for harassing targeted members of the PK kingdom.
Fascinating….
When we come back, we’ll be observing how an actual PK Schizo troll operates and interacts on the board with regular posters… Stay Tuned to PK Animal Kingdom!
*cues The One*
*programs the next installment into his PVR*
Man, I love this stuff!
*whispering* As we observe TheOne in his natural habitat, we see that no only does he enjoy randomly attacking regulars, but he feels the need to sock and post stalk other trolls. The theories behind this are varied, but the most commonly accepted one is that he feels the need to mark his prey by mocking other trolls to scare them off. Other theories include attempting to appear as one of the regulars, a wolf in sheep’s clothing so to speak. This theory is often dismissed as a load of crap.
Say what, Sphincter Boy?! Or should I call you by your real name “Fast Food”? You have more socks on here than a 90 year old man’s sock drawer. I would never sink to your level, tool.
So is the next installment on the troll’s use of tools?
I don’t know if they’ve evolved to that point yet.
Ooooooooooh, I hope so!
Shhhh! I think it just noticed us! Lets try not to spook it and see what it does.
Just for the record, I’m neither a troll nor anti-regular nor a man. Just anti-condescension. Is this a hazing ritual for new posters?
Too bad you took information and turned it into condescension.
Just the lucky douchebags who stroll in acting like assholes from the first post. If you’re so anti-condescension, perhaps you should work on that aspect in your own posts.
I see how it works now. Frequent posters can point out that others are “uninformed” or “ignorant”, and it’s fine. New posters who mildly rebuke them without personal attacks are called douchebags, trolls and assholes. Ad hominem is fine, as long as it’s used against a troll or a new poster. New posters are automatically considered to be trolls and are immediately bitten for trespassing upon private property. I will admit that justacarolinian would not like my political views.
I could care less if you like my political views or not. You post was an attempted smack, and one that failed miserably.
Quit the “I’m not a regular” whining, as you are as welcome as anyone to post. Just try to be be honest when you do, or you will get called on it.
My comment informing that it was a quote was simply informing those who would be unaware of that fact. And yes, most of the people who read here skim over things too fast and wouldn’t notice the quote marks. I was trying to cut off the poop storm that some would try to initiate.
All I heard was “waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, you never gave me a chaaaaaaaaaaance!!!!!” boo-hooing.
I’ve only started posting within the last two weeks (though in the past I have thrown in an occasional post, though for most lols I never stopped to read the comments section at all). and I must I haven’t been treated with disrespect or bitten for trespassing on private property(though I may have been nommed a bit, that had nothing to do with trespassing). I certainly don’t agree with the political views of everyone here (To agree that everyone here is right would be a near impossible feat, I’m not sure how anyone could accomplish it since there are so many differing view points) but have no trouble getting along with the regulars.
Default user, there’s no Reply link on your post, so I have to use Jane’s…I’ve posted a few times in the past couple of weeks also. One of them even got a “thank you”. And I do enjoy many of the witty exchanges here. It does seem to me, though, that this gang bang over a fairly innocuous post is overkill. I’m quite sure that justacarolinian is able to handle a little sarcasm directed her way without her friends piling on.
justac…I never said anything about liking or not liking your political views. I said that you probably wouldn’t like mine. Enough of this petty shit though. It’s really tiresome.
Cry a little more, baby. The fact is that Justa (who is a guy, not a girl) wasn’t even talking to you, said nothing to you, and you went on the attack and were insulting from the first. Convince yourself that the mean kids are picking on you and run home to mommy for a hug if it makes you feel better, but it doesn’t change the fact that if you’re going to start out being a douche you’re going to get treated that way.
Aw, Baby Jane. I wasn’t talking to you, said nothing to you, and yet you went on the attack and spewed insults. I guess that makes you a douche too. Where is the insult that has provoked you to cry and moan and kick your little legs in a hissy fit? Did I somehow hurt your widdle feewings? I don’t recall directing any comment at all towards you. I prefer to attack the post, and not the poster, but I’ll make an exception in your case. Your obsession with attacking someone who didn’t attack you makes you sound a lot like Sarah Palin. Gawd, this place is as bad as YouTube.
No one is forcing you to stay, darling. In fact, I’d suggest watching that door on your way out, it tends to hit people in the ass as they go.
Wow, a butthurt, bleeding troll. Who would have imagined it would happen on PK? Oh, yeah. Par for the course.
But they are sooooo much fun to watch them whine!
-rolls up another newspaper-
I really should apologize. It isn’t nice to torment menopausal women like Jane with hormone surges, but I was having too much fun with all the silliness. I really thought it was a parody of troll paranoia, but I see that it’s not. If it makes anyone feel morally superior to scold a person for somehow “insulting” one of your friends, or if it gives you some kind of tension relief to call people “douchebag” and “asshole”, or if tickles your robertson to use the word “butthurt”, then have at it. I’m happy to help.
Oh wow. Some one get a wheel of cheese to go with this whine!
something rattled your cage, 4eyes??
I see that I failed to list a few stale, anti-troll clichés. Take a lesson from Igor. He practices troll-skewering with far more finesse.
awww, c’mon 4 Eyes!! I don’t know why you take yourself so seriously – no-one else does! Bad comments about someone do not equal bad opinion. We do have a lot of heated debates here on PK, but that’s all they are. Haven’t you ever had such a conversation??
Take a chill pill and enjoy!!!
Also, trolllll’s lives are so empty, they have nothing betttter to dooooo . . .
Except for the bitter one with a Charro. We all wish we were him!
Yes, you’re right BtZ!! Bitter, I wasn’t including you, just the ones referred to by JAC & DU.
Yeah, BT is the only troll welcomed on PK.
Well, I heard Charros water broke a few lols back so we might have a half Mertroll to welcome too. Unless the broken water was covered by the warranty.
*looks up from his lab set*
Mertrolls? *rubs his chin*
Of course! Why didn’t I think of that!? It’s so surreal it just might stun enough people to work!
I shall need DNA samples for the mertroll cloning program!
*blush* Aw, you guys are so sweet to recognise our love.
Here Max, you can have bitter’s spawn. We all know how anti-breeding I am, but he tricked me. Plied me with sweets and candy, roofies and GHB.
*hands over mertroll*
I shall name him Clarence! Come Clarence we have a world to dominate!!
Awww, you adopted a Mertroll for us to raise!
whowhawaitwhat?
charro get some money for that thing!
But I love Max and Janie, darling. I couldn’t take their money when I see how happy the spawn of our love-making has made them.
I will, however, take some free torture sessions.
Free torture sessions? That would almost make having a kid worth it! Well, providing I could be in a coma the entire pregnancy and for the birth.
That’s how -I- got through the pregnancy and birth.
So that’s why you absconded with all the tranqs we use on the trolls.
This time, yeah.
Umm … Lincoln was a republican…
Can’t you READ?! He was a THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE!
pre-war, the term “United States” was held in the vernacular to be plural, whereas post-war, it is held to be singular.
This is an excellent way to describe what occurred. However, I’d say there was no attempt at the time to hide it, and I don’t see any effort now to hide information about Lincoln’s position on the matter, as represented in his “House Divided” speech.
People disagreed (loudly) then as to whether it is best that we be a union of separate sovereign states, or a single nation. People now are hardly aware of the distinction, but it is far from a forgone conclusion that we should be one or the other. To some people, it seems obvious, but just because they say so isn’t sufficient for it to be true.
Lincoln was a despot, a mercantilist, a nationalist pig and a racist.
And all this thanksgiving crap is his fault, too.
Our whole nation is floated on these silly myths…
**Round of Applause**
Well done for someone to state the truth about Lincoln at last. His presidency was founded upon money given to him by the Industrial Magnates of the North. It was these same Magnates that stopped Lincoln from doing what he should have done in the first place. The war wasn’t fought over Slavery. Slavery was a minor reason behind the war. The real reason is the South would have quite easily given up slavery (since very few Southerners could actually afford slaves) if they could by the machines the North had to harvest the cotton (and other crops.) However the South could only sell their crops to the North and the Northern Magnates would only give the South a piddling amount in exchange for their crops. Therefore the only way to make decent enough money to live on was to arrange trade with other countries themselves. (Which is why Britain got tied in with the South, as the South produced vast amounts of cotton which Britain could use in it’s factories.) However the Northern Magnates realising that if the South got the agreement to this then they would lose out on a. vast amounts of resources and b. vast amounts of profit. Therefore the Magnates forced Lincolns hand since they paid to put him into power, and Lincoln was forced to go to war to “protect the union”. However this and the “Slavery” issue were just lies put about by the victorious North to disguise the real reason the war was fought – over money and unethical treatment of the Southern farmers. Much like people saying that the Iraqi war was due to Oil rights not Weapons of Mass Destruction as the governments claim.
I was reading a biography of the Grimke’ sisters, prominent abolitionists at the time. And the abolitionists were not happy with Lincoln at all. For example, the emancipation proclamation was only effective on the confederate states.
The Gettysburg address was a great speech, though!
*claps and cheers loudly* BRAVO
@ “The Truth”
Your post ignores the planter class.
It is true that the VAST majority of whites in the south owned no slaves at all. What is also true that those who controlled Southern Politics did own slaves, and they owned many.
Just like today, the majority of wealth in our country was held by a minority. That minority in the south were the “Planter Class” (large plantation owners). They controlled southern politics and the poor whites who did not own slaves, did not have a say.
Trying to use the number of southern slave holders, alone, is a great way to mislead people into believing your argument. Just because the majority did not own slaves does not mean they were the decision makers. They were in fact the poorest whites in the south with little to no power over politics. If you want to see where power in Politics always lays, follow the money trail. In this case it will lead you back to Southern Plantation owners.
As for the question of Britain supporting the South, it never would have happened. The British had long already outlawed slavery in all of their territories long before the south broke off from the North. Though it may have been a profitable proposition to recognize the south, British politics would never have allowed it, not to mention the majority of cotton was coming from other parts of the globe at this point.
No one person can say why the war was fought. The north would like to blame the south, and the south likes to blame the north. The reasons for people’s choice to go to war differs person to person.
Robert E. Lee was offered command of the Union Army. He refused. He did not refuse because he supported slavery. He refused because he understood that most of the war would be fought in his home state. He would rather defend his state than invade it. He could not turn his back on his neighbors.
The reasons for the war vary. No one reason caused it. There are many.
If you are interested in learning about the different point of views seen during the war I highly recommend reading “Killer Angels”. It does a very good job of showing the motivations of officers on both sides.
this is the internet! you logic has no place here!
Sorry!! Wrong!! The British DID support the South, as stated, only because they had vital supplies of cotton. However they stopped support when slavery DID become an issue after the Battles of Gettysburg and Vicksburg when the South realised that they hadn’t a snowballs chance of winning the war and tried for a negotiated settlement (something akin to devolution.) However the Anti Slavery Lobby suddenly came into their own and opposed all attempts to deal with the South since they were nasty slaveowners (even though many Southerners didn’t have slaves) Why don’t YOU look it up (and I don’t mean in those American History books as they are written by the Victors (To quote 1984 – “Those who control the past, control the future; Those who control the future, control the present; Those who control the present, control the past.”) and wouldn’t give you the complete story. You need to look on the Internet for more information on this.
So just to be clear about this, you’d prefer if people looked at the internet, or a work of fiction, for the truth, rather than history books?
From what I can make out, he is asking you to not take the history books as gospel as they are written by the Victors and it is in the Victors interests to say that they won whatever wars they fought for noble reasons. You need to look through vast numbers of books and the Internet before you can even scratch the surface of the truth. (If you’ve ever watched QI that is a perfect example of a widely held belief becoming fact – Apparently you can eat before swimming and a Strawberry isn’t a berry, but an apple and a Tomato is)
I love QI. And obviously I acknowledge the truism about history books. But somehow I would expect more impartiality in any American history book written, say, at a distance of 100 years from the Civil War. If the perceptions of the narrative on both sides of the divide have not moved away at least some distance from partisanship over the intervening period, then it’s a little worrying for this foreign observer.
What is this QI of which you speak? Though you have a point, the whole thing was a long time ago, there’s no one alive today who was alive then, much less held an active role on the events.
It’s a British TV panel game hosted by Stephen Fry (Jeeves & Wooster?) where myths are debunked in an amusing way with dry wit and urbane banter.
So a British version of myth busters?
LOL. Yeah, Mythbusters minus the explosives! I don’t think I’ve ever seen a finer illustration of the difference between the Brits and the Americans.
If it doesn’t blow something up, it’s not worth watching
My favorite ep is the one where they vaporized the cement truck. Made. Of. Awesome.
ok first thank you to “The Truth”.
second there was no wmd’s in Iraq, the documents were forged and Dick brushed it under the rug. We have become a country were Bill Clinton can be impeached for having an affair and George W. Bush can go behind congresses back, as well as forge documents and not have a single charge against him. Roosevelt was almost constantly having an affair and no one gives a crap.
Third, you cant trust any one history book, you need to look at many and figure out the truth though all the bull. Best source of information is unedited first hand accounts. New does not count, its opinionated as shit.
Lastly and this has nothing to do with this thread mostly, far Right wing people are total hypocrites with there pro life stuff. They want to make it illegal to abort a baby if it will kill the mother even if the baby only has a 20% chance of survival. Personally I’d say that’s murdering the mother. And just to upset the kettle, go pro choice the world cant sustain this population growth rate any ways. Think about that one. And well your at it looks up some stuff about Norway(having to do with war and religion, and please when you do keep an open mind, they’re a hell of a lot more peaceful then we are.
oh and with the Norway thing, numbers are skewed because almost all of the population is signed into the church at birth and its a pain to get signed out with no real gain..
I here you man, being a Norwegian I now what you’re talking about. Many are baptised, but at 15 we have this thing called “konfirmasjon” (confirmation), where people, nowadays, get’s to choose between a christian “konfirmasjon”, non-religious “konfirmasjon”, or not having one at all. I had a non-religious one but still have to deal with the state church at 18…
…but I’m not going to invade any oil country.
btw, Norway got all the oil we need in our own water. That’s the reason why we still aren’t a nation of alchoholic hilbillys.
I was in Stavanger in the early 80s and flew with Norwegian forces on NATO exercises.
Beautiful TALL women, wimpy ex-Viking men, EXPENSIVE booze and (argh!) pickled herring and cold duck eggs fried in sheep fat for breakfast.
According to the Norwegian women with whom I talked there are NO Vikings left in Norway, just sheep in men’s clothing. That’s a lot worse than alcoholic hillbillies.
Norwegians home-brew, get drunk and THEN go out clubbing, eat like food is a punishment, and the men don’t bathe near often enough.
Beautiful country, though.
The CIA, the British MI-6, the French Surete, as well as the Russian and Israeli intelligence services ALL reported that Saddam possessed WMDs. They have stated so since the war there began.
Are you saying that ALL of those intelligence agencies “lied” and somehow that only you and your conspiracy theory nutbar compadres know the “real truth?”
The real truth is that you have not the foggiest idea what the President – W or any other – gets in his intelligence briefing every day. I do, because I was in the “Black Ops” world and my post-mission reports were used as part of that daily briefing.
When you get a clearance beyond (not above) Top Secret like I had, come and talk to me. Otherwise, quit your ignorant whining.
Oh, please. The Lost Cause is a convenient fiction a best, a cover-up at worst. Crack a history book sometime (one *without* a Rebel flag on the cover) and join the rest of us here in the 21st century. (Or even the later decades of the 20th. I’m not that picky.)
Yes, crack a history book open. See if you can find the subject of Jayhawker raids. Still unexplainable by even the most adamant Union man. By the way, what flag is the Rebel? The Confederate States of America went through a series of flags. I never heard them call one a rebel.
Don’t go all knee-jerk on me — all I was saying is that Michelle and “Truth” were being naively one-sided, and that based on my experience they sound like Lost Causers, which I think is basically crap. I don’t see how that implies that I painted a mural of Bleeding Kansas on my dining room ceiling.
And in all seriousness, if you don’t hear “Rebel flag” and think of the Dixie flag, or know what a Rebel yell is, then I’m going to have to insist that you move to Ohio.
I didn’t know Dixie had a flag. And I was just stimulating the thinking. And there is a lot more to the Jayhawker raids than Kansas. The worst of them were in South Carolina.
And I lived in Ohio for a short time (my ex wife is there) and the Mansfield area had fewer teeth than my grandmother.
I lived in Alabama for 6 long, long months. They HATE it being called the rebel flag for some reason. Confederate flag is okay. I don’t really understand the southern mindset, so I don’t really get either the obsession with the flag nor why confederate seems to be more PC than rebel.
Maybe some are tired of the ignorant excuse of labeling everyone in the south as racist everytime actual history is discussed. Anyone with an ounce of honesty in them can find just as much racism in the north.
A lot of the Confederate references are more along the lines of references to the corruption in the Federal govt, though it has been abused by the ignorant troll community on both sides of that argument.
About racism, there is a perfect song by Randy Newman about this, but you MUST listen to the whole thing:
I lost sound on my laptop the other day, I’ll have to check it out at a later time.
I haven’t listened to it, but I’d be willing to bet a dollar that it sounds suspiciously like “You’ve Got A Friend In Me” and every other song that Randy Newman sings.
“Lady walks over, grabs a apple from the tree takes a bite….. chews once…… twice….. three times…..”
*awards Max a dollar for getting the reference*
Listen, Justa, I’m tired of you calling me a racist. I’m living in Illinois and I am NOT a racist.
I hate everyone equally, regardless of race. Get it right.
What justa said. I’ve been here for more years than that and people (and I loathe rednecks) fly it because it WAS the state flag. Most are no more racist than anyone else.
The reason is that the name of the flag is the Confederate Battle Flag. Maybe if you hadn’t been an ass and actually learned about Alabama and the South, you would know that.
Oh wait, that would mean actually having an open mind and not looking down your nose at people because of where they live, you bigot.
Native Texan here, and sure we have different views here politically, socially, and morally amongst ourselves, but the majority of people in this state, and I assume in Alabama as well, are mother f’n CRAZY! I don’t need a history book for that, I can see it with my eyes, doesn’t matter if i’m looking down my nose or up my brow, this state is full of CRAZIES. but maybe Alabama is different.
I resent the characterization of Texans as “crazy.” Clearly it’s only people from East Texas who are crazy. The rest of us are just fine, thanks
I dunno, I have family in central and south Texas, there wasn’t a whole lot of sanity mixed in with them. Of course that could be a genetic thing and not a location thing.
Does that make you crazy too?
I am not crazy! Who are you calling crazy!?
If you’re ever in east Texas around the Lufkin area, look up a little hole in the wall called Rivercrest. You’ll never look at crazy people the same way again
As a resident of one of the border states, I can tell you from experience that the civil war is pertinent to EVERY political discussion in some circles.
I spent years in North Florida and Georgia — no argument here. But just because “the Unpleasantness” gets dragged into everything doesn’t mean it’s necessarily relevant.
What’s wrong with being a nationalist our country is screwed right now because we exported most of our manufacturing jobs..
The Norwegians have the right thinking
I’m not saying Lincoln was a great guy at all btw
What do you expect from a nation that believes the propaganda from the FOX “News” networks, bigotry, racism and plain old fashioned lying from douchebags and crybabies like Glenn Beck, Bill O Reilly and the rest of them.
Well, your reasoned and sound argument has convinced me. You are clearly the smartest guy in the room.
The usual … no real counter arguments, just an imagined intellectual superiority which entitles you to dismiss the statement.
The evidence is clearly staring you in the face every day when facts are dismissed, other “facts” just made up to fit the right-wing ideology. So what counter arguments do you have that do not sound like “you are rubber I am glue”?
Comeon, now is your chance to shine and to put those brains of yours to work. Eagerly awaiting.
Actually, he did a good job of expressing how frothy and idiotic your rant was.
Awww did I hit a nerve? I have a toy and a banana for you … everything will be better soon
Someone get the air rifle, this ones foaming at the mouth.
I am a little bit disappointed that you would run to conservative stereotypes so quickly.
And also very disappointed at the very limited vocabulary – at least make the insulting interesting, you are riding a dead frothing dog if you will forgive the pun.
Now, I think it is time for your de-lousing bath!
You are the one running to stereotypes. Sorry to let a little actual information slip into your world of darkness.
Your rant, no matter if it was liberal or conservative, was like a rabid dog barking and attacking.
How about you get some mental floss and clean the troll out there?
*runs in with tranqs* Am I too late or could you use these?
I think you might want to see if the Army has tranqs that fit the Abrahms tanks.
[opens hatch]
This Predator tank is set to go. Once injected the Terminator squad will move in. Then it’s just a quick trip to the ice planet Gorlleb where he can chase Mothra’s for ever… and ever… and ever….
I’ll see your Terminator Squad and Predator Tank and raise you a Hive Tyrant, a squad of Tyranids and a couple of Carniflexes
(**Vila now creeps off in embarrasment as he knows exactly what Sigma was referring to!!** Just goes to show what an absolute bloody geek I am. All I need is a store selling Comic Books and I will be the Comic Book Guy.)
What actual information? Your reply did not contain any and I would be curious indeed.
You just made an assumption about my state of mind and claimed it as reality.
And yet another stereotype is to try to force other people to leave or shut up if they disagree with you.
Now THAT is some actual information. But you can give it another try.
And now I am taking a bow and leave you the thing you desire most: The last word.
Seems I am not the only one noticing your state of mind. And are you really so incompetent as to not understand beyond a single reply?
And wow. I’ve tried to force you to leave? I thought you were not going to talk to me anymore, on your own?
There’s only one thing as bad as a conservatroll. A liberatroll. Guys like you make us liberals look bad. I hate Fox News too, but if you’re gonna bitch about it, at least back it up.
Unfortunately, such is the inevitable death of any thread with a remote political basis. Liberals, I extend a hand from the Conservative camp. We must join our forces to eliminate the ranting, rabid masses ability to bicker both of our viewpoints into shame and stupidity.
*accepts hand from across THE LINE of political separation* I’m with you, but how do we stop them? Educating can’t stop the willful ignorance, and beating them with the books the refuse to read doesn’t seem to help either (though it makes me feel better)
Yeah us conservatives have been trying that with the Bible for years.
*sets up a slip and slide on the political line*
Ok… let the healing begin!
Rando- stop using this sock name of Monkey Trainer!
That might work, if several of us here didn’t know Rando, and chit chat with him. And if you look at the LOL’s Radno produces, vs the Fast Food crap.
One thing I’m certain of; Rando would never call me Merkin or conservative unless he was trolling!
TheOne’s burning yet thwarted love of our dear Rando has clearly led him to lashing out to diminish the pain of Rando’s rejection. Oh, what a sad tale he weaves!
Dude… don’t ever suggest cleaning a troll… ever…
*shivers*
hands justa an .06, “here, try this, might be a bit more permanent than an air rifle for clearing away the froths”
Ummmm…. something about mudwrestling a pig???? Anyway there’s some delicious cake and turkey sandwiches in the break room. Happy Thanksgiving everybody
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^_^
All this from a trained monkey. One that isn’t smart enough to realize the slant coming from MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN and such. Or to even figure that Fox News is a single station, and is not the Fox television network.
Go ahead, fire off some more keyword partisan blather. Maybe it will make you and a few other frothy idiots fell important.
Ahh there he is – the die hard right wing, FOX supporter who has gobbled up so much of the propaganda, he has taken it as the new reality and is frothing at the mouth whenever he feels he need to defend his twisted personal reality.
And if you were able to actually comprehend what you read, you would notice that I am the Monkey Trainer, thus you would be the trained monkey. But I can easily forgive that seeing that your mind now automatically twists reality as you go along.
The only “partisan blather” is coming from people like you who have clearly given up on thinking for themselves and have decided it is easier to let others do it for them – which is why you seriously believe that Fox news ist just one station (again, forgivable, considering your mind is so used to twisting by now).
But, I am wasting my breath, some monkeys are simply not trainable. Here, have a banana, and go beat up the brown-looking monkeys and the ones who you think are homosexual. Or are actually using their brain as more than a stop sign for your finger when you are digging for buggers.
Hell, and here I thought you were a simian offering your services at the gym to improve my workout.
So, the “Will spot you on freeweights for bananas” sign….what’s up with that?
I DO moonlight a little. And nowhere does it say that the monkey trainer cannot be a monkey.
But I must warn, as soon as the bananas (prepayment only) run out, I loose all interest in spotting. So better stock up before!
Lol…I will keep that in mind!
@Monkey Trainer. If you lurked a bit before spouting, you would know that justa is a rational conservative. He and I disagree often, but we take the time to read and think about each other’s points. And Jim gave a rather reasoned and non-inflammatory response to your liberal trolling.
You, on the other hand, are guilty of making snap judgments and using inflammatory language. Have some turkey leg, take a nap, and calm down already!
Seconded.
Thirded ?
Well, now it will get complicated after the number 3. But come on, you can do it!
Sorry, not fourthed…ed? I’ve seen too many conservarants on here to call jim rational. *hands MT his Dirty Librul membership card* Welcome! We has cookies!
I wouldn’t call MT rational yet either. He is about Jim’s level of fire from the hip troll comments, from what we’ve seen so far.
While I agree with MT, I don’t agree with his tactics. Like many who show up here, he needs to chill the fvck out. Then he’ll be okay.
Just don’t pretend that Fox News is any less biased than the other networks. Or that the left leaning pundits are less frothy.
No one is pretending that JAC. Again, the reason Fox is such a target is that they keep telling everyone they are “fair & balanced” when they are anything BUT.
As other times, my tendency is to get news off the web, not broadcast media. I always read multiple sources in the belief that they’re all differently biassed (eg, for Middle East stories I read the BBC, Al Jazeera and Jerusalem Post).
Ivan, I see a lot of lefties screaming as fast as their fingers can type about how great those networks are.
You may not, but there are plenty that are. Or some that simply leave out the fact that the left leaning networks are just as bad, as they are bashing Fox News.
I’m sufficiently disappointed in the lack of international coverage and the shallow national coverage on the major TV stations, so that I tend to listen to the radio: NPR and BBC, and then do a lot of magazine and newspaper reading.
“I see a lot of lefties screaming as fast as their fingers can type about how great those networks are.”
I’ll need to see some proof of that. We ALL admit that MSNBC is leftist. NOBODY has denied it. That’s why we dirty libruls like to watch it. Again, we like to pick at Fox because they keep trying to convince everyone that they are “fair & balanced” when it is painfully obvious to everyone (well, everyone but you, apparently) that they are leaning so far right they are positively supine.
I’ve never said that Fox isn’t right leaning. I have said that I’m sick of those who spout Faux Noise at everyone they disagree with politically. And your comment about “that’s why us dirty liberals watch it” basically says you are no different than the Fox News robots, with the exception of what aisle you sit on.
Go back and read the last few weeks of comments, and you will find plenty of people screaming how evenly balanced the other networks are.
No, you’re the one making the claim. Show me.
Ivan, enough people have came on here and pointed out to you that I have. I think that’s proof enough. You are the one making the claim that I only smack libtrolls. Show me.
No numbnuts. Show me where anyone said MSNBC was not slanted. Stay with me, boy.
Ok, several liberals have pointed it out. And now you resort to name calling.
It’s right here on this very page. And several others. Rando admits it, and a few others, but not all.
I read the whole page. I don’t see where Rando (or anyone else) said MSNBC is not slanted left. Rando has ADMITTED (as have I) that MSNBC is a leftist station. We’ve BOTH said that’s why we like to watch it.
And for the record, the “numbnuts” was an affectionate namecalling. If I was being ugly, I would have called you fu(kweasel™
I wasn’t claiming Jim was rational on average. However his post above was!
Yeah, what VG said!
What Viking Gal meant to say JAC, is Jim is exceptionally rational.
Oh yeah, we’ll NEVER know this is you, jim. *eyeroll*
He does try just a bit too hard. We need to break down the box so Jim can start thinking a bit on his own.
I underestimated you Holmes. You’ve won this time, but I WON’T make the same mistake twice! *skulks off*
JAC: Move along pally, you’ve earned your “open-mindedness” chits for the day. Nothing to see here folks. Show’s over. Move along…
Jim, don’t confuse open mindedness with an honest mind.
I actually did lurk quite a bit and have caught him using inflamatory language and insults quite a bit.
But someone who seriously believes all other news but fox are the ones twisting reality, you cannot call him rational. But I do concede there can be such a thing as a rational conservative. Have not met one personally.
I do conceede one thing though: He does admit GWB was not a good president. There is still hope for him.
Who told you I was a liberal or trolling? I disagree with quite a lot of liberal ideas, I do believe in rational thinking. Well maybe I was trolling a bit. But liberal? That is just a standard claim that conservatives make as soon as someone does not agree with their opinion or has the audacity to call Fox what it is.
They do have very good Shows on though. Shame about the rest.
I’ve NEVER said that Fox doesn’t have a slant. And you have done nothing but froth like a rabid dog this morning.
Point 1: Conceeded. You did not and I made that assumption.
Point 2: The problem I have with Fox is that it is so slanted, it is turned around. None of the others go that far.
Point 3: You are the one who started with the presonal insults such as “frothy”, “trained monkey” and “rabid dog” so please do not claim any sort of moral or intellectual superiority.
Point 3. Your froth was drooling all over the place. I was stating the obvious. Your screename made the play obvious. And as others have pointed out, you were behaving as such, so you got called on it.
Point 2. The other networks are just as turned around, if you were to take the time to get info from outer sources, you would know that. The rant about the pundits is just as bad, as the left has their pundits too, and people who are just as robot like following them.
Point 1. Your assumption showed a lot about what you were doing. IE foaming at the mouth like a rabid dog.
Quite funny, you just cannot let go of an idea. You made an assumption that is just as wrong but are not willing to give it up in the face of contradicting evidence (the lame frothing dog analogy). Just this is also considered trolling.
Plus you just admited to the fact that it is a network, admitting to trolling yourself yet again.
And to make it all worse, you think I follow or defend the other networks (I even implied I agree with the slanted idea, just that Fox is the worst of them).
So, it appears you are even more in rage than you claim I am. In fact I can tell you I am quite happily drinking my tea and smiling at this. No froth yet but I will check regularly, I promise.
Can you read? Or is it a reading comprehension problem?
No where have I said that Fox News wasn’t a network, but rather it isn’t the same as the Fox network.
Nor is there any thing here this morning that indicates that I am in any sort of rage, or even angry. You are the one that came out swinging with the troll comments.
Well, just repeating my insults is quite lame but if you cannot do better, that is the way it is. I will not refer you back to your original reply and leave the networks thing alone.
The reason one would be assuming you are in rage are quite clear, calling for shooting rabid dogs and implying that someone is frothing at the mouth because they disagree with you does display a high level of pent-up rage.
But alas, I have to leave you now so have fun kids. And remember: Bananas are good for you!
Actually, the gun was a reference to a tranquilizer dart to calm a rabid dog down.
And it’s almost hysterical that you came in here in a rage, and now imply that my response to you trolling indicates that I am angry in any way. You are the one tied up with several people here this morning, and have been shut down by most of them.
Yes, run away. Your foolish rant impressed no one. People with intelligence didn’t let you get away with it.
MT is winning this one. Rationality win!
Come on JAC. You freak out EVERY time anyone says Fox is biased. The reason Fox is so (for lack of a better term before my 2nd cup of coffee) “picked on” is because they claim to be “fair & balanced” when they are anything BUT. The others don’t use that term, and everyone knows they are slanted. Fox is just the only one that refuses to admit it.
I’m not defending Fox, in any way. I am pointing out how some people act like it’s the only one with a slant. You know, actually standing up for the truth instead of spinning things for one side or the other.
Nor do I see a win anywhere on this post of MT winning anything other than troll of the month award. Look how many times he has had to back track and admit he assumed things about me.
Again, Once
Bye bye!
Ivan, baby, I lurvs you but MT started out swinging insults like poo. Even though I agree with everything he said about Fox News in my happy little communist heart, entering the PK arena in that manner isn’t going to make him any friends nor will anyone take him seriously.
Yes, nothing honest to say. Now, do us all a favor, and shout some obscenities as you run away. We find it hilarious.
Besides, I hate the “Fox News Debate”. It hijacks the entire thread, no one wins, and we all feel dirty afterwards. Although I was ticked that they had the t.v. on Fox News in my doctor’s waiting room the other day. I tried to drown it out by reading an article on the efforts to preserve the Star Spangled Banner.
Actually, he started out talking about Faux Noise, and I have to agree with everything he says in his post up there *pointing at the top*. I totally welcome him to the debates. Us dirty libruls need more fire-power, what with all the conservatrolls invading lately…
Pst. Monkey Trainer. We usually start out with nicer statements, and wait for THEM to sling an insult. I promise, you never have to wait longer than a minute or 2.
It’s been my experience that there are as many libertrools as conservatrolls. As much as I love everyone, there are more liberals here so they don’t get called out as much.
About Fox news. They just don’t admit to being biased? Come on. Does anyone actually think ALL the other networks would just say “ok everyone we’re left, it’s ok.” Morally that’s the exact same thing. The entire argument is just a grabbing point for when one doesn’t know what to argue. I’m with Jane it’s a waste of time.
Thank you ADM. Well said.
See, Bye only works if you say it and then leave. Saying it, then saying it, waiting a few minutes and saying it again leads to to start suspecting that you haven’t really left.
Your original post “What do you expect from a nation that believes the propaganda from the FOX “News” networks, bigotry, racism and plain old fashioned lying from douchebags and crybabies like Glenn Beck, Bill O Reilly and the rest of them.” was rather frothy, also you started out throwing the insults. True they weren’t directed at anyone here but they were insults. I hate Glenn Beck and Bill O’Reilly just as mush as the next liberal but I can find ways to discredit them without resorting to words like ‘douchebag’. That really isn’t the way to open a debate. If you wish to open a debate on your political views try using specific points, rational thought and maybe a little less froth.
I’m gonna agree with Jane too. We need some liberal reinforcement here, but he’s gonna make us all look bad.
Rando, why would you need reinforcement? An honest idea speaks for itself, and needs no defense.
Because in case you haven’t noticed, the regular conservatrolls (I can name 3 to4 off the top of my head: The One, NO_MO_BAMA, gniknihtsdrawkcab, megasock and sometimes jim), far outnumber regular libtrolls (I can only think of guest at the moment). It leads to most of us libs running into arguments with circular logic, no reasoning, and only one sided rationality. And you can only say the same stuff so many times to different people before you just don’t want to even try anymore…
It’s why I’ve shied away from posting as regularly anymore, it all just gets tiring.
That’s why I try to never add anything relevant to the conversation, Max. It’s tiring and my *gasp* non-interwebs life has enough arguing in it. So this is my playground.
Will you push me on the swing? Please?
*pushes mabs on the swing*
Want to be spun too?!
Better not, since you resigned as mop girl. Too much Thanksgiving smoked turkey!
First, I am a liberal myself. I still think you are using inflammatory terminology of the liberal flavor, whether or not you are expressing your true beliefs.
Second, if you have been lurking, you know very well that we have had the ‘is fox news slanted’ argument a few too many times already…but you pulled it up just to re-create an argument—therefore trolling.
Read my post again – I already admitted to some light trolling. But according to the magna carta, I cannot be hanged twice for the same offence (again no pun intended).
Second, I was trying to make a post that this kind of propaganda leads to statements such as presented by the creator of Lincolns Caption. How does the repeated statement of the state of affairs in the news world in the US make the argument invalid?
I double checked and couldn’t find that bit in the magna carta though I admit I did just skim. Could you point me to the bit where it says we can’t hang you twice?
I’ll bet William Wallace is still pissed that he was drawn and quartered!
Doesn’t sound so bad, someone made a portrait of him and put him up for the night? (I’m sure Terry Pratchett made this joke before)
AND he was hung. Win all round.
He also got 25 cents out of the deal I understand.
I’m not sure it’s in the Magna Carta, but the UK does have double jeopardy laws, covering both trial and punishment.
Yes, paws4thot, you are right. We have such laws, however –
*excuses herself while she goes into troll mode**
a person can be re-tried if a) significant new evidence comes to light, which was not available at the original trial and which could alter the original verdict; and b) where it becomes apparent that procedures wre not correctly followed at the original trial which could alter the original verdict.
I’m not sure of the exact details, but we have the European Union to thank for that little gem. We have had one successful prosecution of a murderer who initially thought he’d got away with it, but was re-tried when this EU thing was incorporated into British law.
I don’t often praise the EU, but this is one thing I do like.
** gets out of troll mode and retreats to kitchen to make something unhealthy but very yummy to recover **
I still think that is wrong; similarly the feature of the Code Napoleon where you can be held to be guilty until proven innocent.
I so agree with you on that last point. As to the ‘double jeopardy’ issue, I only know of the one case which is never sufficient to give a balanced opinion. However, it was an awful one.
A local woman was murdered and her corpse raped. Her boyfriend was tried but acquitted as the case could not be proved beyond reasonable doubt. After his acquittal, he openly bragged about his real guilt. He was tried again, but it could only be for perjury in the original trial. Our Criminal Justice Act of 2003, brought into law in 2005, removed the ‘double jeopardy’ protection (in England and Wales only; Scotland and N. Ireland still have it) and the boyfriend was re-tried, convicted and jailed for life.
What incensed the local community was the suffering of the woman’s parents who had not only lost their daughter, but had to sit and watch while her killer taunted them freely.
This one case is not enough to say whether the removal of double jeopardy ‘works’, but hey, law isn’t perfect.
That one case is unfortunate, but in the main, other than due to perjury, cases fail due to lack of evidence.
I’d suggest that in your cited case, it would be equally effective to provide that the sentence for perjury was potentially unlimited, but the sentencing guidelines require that the judge sentence the perjurer as if they had been convicted of the crime they perjured themself in giving evidence during the trial of.
Because Shaq is holding a panda. Duh.
*nods with authority*
The first lady has spoken er nodded!
*plays trumpet fanfare*
Oh, Uh? Me a conservative? I know I have some things I agree with them, I also agree with some liberal ideas.
I’m all for the original idea of actually following the Constitution. I know, that’s a horrible, scary idea in today’s politics.
I am very sad to say that I actually agree with you on the constitution, with the exception of the right to bear arms, which is quite useless now without the threat of an invading british army against a defenseless colony.
It does make the conservatrolls’ support of a socialised standing army rather anomolous, if not hypocritical, though.
You’re just saying that because you’re English, and you guys are secretly working on a plot to take our guns away through abolishment of the Second Amendment so you can invade and take over the Colonies. Bunch of ebil Monarchists!
They just miss us and want us back!
Paws, they’re on to us.. (click)
OI!!!! I’M NOT ENGLISH!!!” Oh and I’m not a Monarchist either!
You’re Scottish, like our dear AC, iirc?
It’s all on the same island, so you’re all interchangeable. Kind of like all Asians, right?
-puts on his bitter kilt and smacks froo-
**Starts singing drunkenly**
“Donald where’s your troosers”
Kilts? Those are Irish right?
Irish and Scottish aye
No! Just Irish! And Gaelic is only Scottish. Bagpipes are Welsh and the British are Catholic!
So who then is Belgian? WHO???
Sorry!! WRONG!! Gaelic is actually Irish. (In fact the Scots are actually Irish too.) Here’s how it happened. In Roman Times the Irish were known to raid Roman holdings, the term that the Romans gave to them was “Scotti” meaning raider. The name stuck (especially to those Irish people living in the North of the country who were the main raiders) The eventually became known as the Scots. However after some argument (I think over the High Kingship of Ireland) the Scots took off taking what they could carry and invaded several parts of what is now Britain (The parts that they affected mainly was SW Wales (I think thats round the Cardigan bay area, but I couldn’t tell you for sure. I know it begins with a C
) and of course Scotland. However Scotland had their own tribe living there at the time called the Picts (One major difference was language, the Irish used Ogham, the Picts used (this is not a Pun!!) Pictographs, i.e similar to what the Aztecs used (No one has managed to figure out what the entire Pictish language means yet.) The Picts also used their own spoken language. However when the Irish (Scots) took over the country in 800 (ish I could be out a couple of hundred years) the Scots were led by Kenneth MacAlpin who encouraged the Picts and the Scots to work together. The Scots of course did this so that they could attempt to unify the language. The main language became Gaelic (which if you read it is very similar, if not identical to Irish Gaelic) and the Picto-Scottish people were just called Scots.
Wow, you learn something new every day.
Sir Buzz Killington strikes again..
Get off my computer you oik!
*gently pets the Tartan Terror* It’s ok, the sense of humor will develop one day…
and hats, hats are only from france!
I do support the right to bear arms in certain areas of this country. For example: Texas (snakes), Alaska (grizzly bears)… The worst we have in Massachusetts are coyotes, black bears, and the occasional rabid raccoon. Not exactly dangerous–just go inside and call animal control!
But every state is susceptible to the ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE!!!
Hairspray and a cigarette lighter will suffice!
I’d prefer an M107.
I’m sticking to my sword collection. Both a can of hairspray and an M107 are eventually going to run out of ammo. You never have to stop and reload a sword. Also, the smell of burning rotting zombie flesh you get with the hairspray, not my favorite smell I must admit.
I thought that was what British cooking smelled like!
I think the smell of british cooking is supposed to be as bland as the food. Though I could be wrong, I make a point of staying away from british kitchens.
No, DU, you are not wrong!!! I don’t like British kitchens and I’m British!! Our cooking really IS dreadful. Except for mine when I am baking cakes and biscuits . . .
Hey not all Pommy food is that bad. I’m partial to Beef Wellington
this is the recipe I use.
Mushrooms A La Crème
40g oyster mushrooms, ripped
40g chestnut mushrooms, sliced
40g shitake mushrooms, sliced
40g girolles mushrooms cut in ¼’s
1 banana shallot, diced
1tbs unsalted butter
50ml white wine
80ml double cream
Salt and freshly cracked black pepper
1tsp chopped fresh thyme
1tsp Truffle oil (optional – not!)
Heat a large non-stick frying pan with the butter, once the butter starts to foam add the mushrooms and season. Sauté the mushrooms and chopped shallot until golden brown and drain on kitchen paper.
Wipe the pan clean and return to the heat, return the golden brown mushroom and shallot to the pan and add the white wine, cook until the wine has evaporated and left the mushrooms with a gloss.
Add the cream and reduce until thickened and coating the mushrooms, stir in the chopped thyme and truffle oil.
Let the mushrooms cool whilst preparing the rest of the dish.
Wellington
750g/1½lb beef fillet
15g/½oz butter
Mushrooms A La Crème
340g/12oz puff pastry
85g/3oz smooth pâté (foie gras is nice)
1 egg, lightly beaten
salt and freshly ground black pepper
Method
1. Preheat the oven to 200C/400F/Gas 6.
2. Season the beef well with pepper.
3. Melt the butter in a non-stick frying pan, add the beef and seal the outside, remove from the pan, place on a baking sheet and cook for 20 minutes, then cool.
4. Roll out the pastry to a rectangle big enough to cover the whole fillet. Place the fillet in the centre of the pastry, spread over the pâté then spoon over the mushroom mixture.
5. Trim off the corners of the pastry, brush the edges of the pastry with some beaten egg and wrap around the fillet to enclose.
6. Place the wrapped fillet, join side down, on a lightly oiled baking sheet, decorate with leaf shapes made from the remaining pastry, brush with any remaining egg then cook for 20 minutes until the pastry is golden.
Serve immediately with a generous helping of hot english mustard on the side (do NOT use that wimpy and bland american “mustard” go out and get some of the good stuff)
Holy crap! I can feel my arteries hardening just reading that!
I haven’t worked out where the Wellie goes. Also what size and does it have to be green?
*roffles* Legend has it that the first Duke of Wellington invented it (or had his cook invent it)
Still at least the poms can make 1 decent meal
even if it does harden Eddie’s arteries. Now if you really want a heart attack in a meal try this delicious French dish
Wine poached Salmon with Black Truffles
Sauce:
1 ½ cups dry white wine
1/2 cup shallots, chopped
¾ oz black truffles, finely chopped
1 1/3 cups heavy cream
½ teaspoon salt
1/8 teaspoon black pepper
2 tablespoons brandy
1 teaspoon arrowroot
Poached salmon:
2 cups dry white wine
¼ teaspoon salt
¼ teaspoon dried dill
1 ½ lb salmon fillet
To make sauce:
Combine 1 ½ cups white wine with shallots and simmer until the mixture has reduced by about three-quarters volume – 12-15 minutes. Add truffles, cream, salt, and pepper and heat through. In a small bowl, mix arrowroot and brandy until smooth. Whisk brandy mixture into cream sauce, and heat over low heat, stirring, until it has thickened.
To poach salmon:
Place salmon in a large skillet with 2 cups white wine, cut for fitting if necessary, and sprinkle with salt and dill. Simmer ingredients for 10 minutes, until just done, and remove from poaching liquid.
Serve on mashed potatoes made with plenty of cream and butter, chop some shallots and dill and stir through the mash
I love food
Which is why the favourite food of most British people is Bangladeshi or Indian curry!
Then they’ll be eating you while they’re ON FIRE!!! OH GOD!!!
Hmmm…. All these comments about British Food coming from a country that invented Vegemite, and a country that created Spray on Cheese (I mean to say Spray on Cheese??? What were they on when they thought THAT was a good idea.) If you don’t like British Food then you are eating in the wrong places. (But of course nowadays this country is being invaded by the horror of Macdonalds, Burger King and the rest (Except KFC. I like KFC
)
I support it for the most dangerous animal of all. The criminal mind.
There are parts of South Boston I’d feel more comfortable in if I had a rifle…
WHOA. Hold on here, JAC. I want to know what you’re liberal about. This totally has me surprised.
Oh, btw, HAPPY THANKSGIVING, EVERYONE!!!
Easy one. I’m against the death penalty. To be honest, I thought about the Libertarian party, but quickly changed my mind. There are a lot of things redefined as modern conservative that I totally oppose. A lot of the things I think are wrong on the national level, could be done in an honest and legal way by the States and local govt. Though many of them I would support the ability to not participate in them.
Oh man. I would love to discuss the death penalty with people on here. Too bad it would never be a civil discussion.
Tell me about it.
The only time I remember it was between Froo and Uncle Fester. It wasn’t pretty.
The death penalty?
*cues “300″ scene*
“Besides… there’s no reason… we can’t be civil!”
*impales somebody with a spear*
“None sire!”
Last time I looked in the law books it wasn’t a civil remedy…
I have mixed feelings about the death penalty in all honesty.
On one level, I just don’t understand it. My favourite quote pertaining to it is “Why do we kill people to show people that killing people is wrong?”
But on another level, the sick mindedness of some people (John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer) – I don’t like the idea of spending my tax money letting a sick fukc like that live with 3 squares and a bed til he dies.
And other crimes that I know do not merit capital punishment (rape, child molestation) I feel strongly that they should..
Also, on a practical level, if we kill more prisoners.. it saves money. Oh noes! Don’t take away my bleeding heart liberal card!
Actually, not arguing pro or con, but given the legal requirements for appeals for a death penalty, I think it is cheaper to imprison people for life than to pay for all that and the execution.
Now my dad always argued that child molesters should be cured with a rusty hatchet.
While satisfying to us, that doesn’t actually stop the behavior because child molestation, like rape, has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with power and control.
Oooo, but you’re wrong. As my mom will attest from her days in an ER as a student nurse, whacking the privates off with anything almost always results in death from blood loss. Presto! Problem solved!
Both of you make very good points.
Although, pedophilia (and I don’t have any statistics on how many convicted child molesters are pedophiles, but I do know that not all pedophiles are child molesters and not all child molesters are pedophiles) is a disorder wherein the subject is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children (usually exclusively). So in that case, yeah, it would be about sex. At least in part.
Well, ok I will concede that point.
So it should go like this:
Judge: “You have been found guilty, the penalty is death.” *gavel slam*
“Bailiff, take him (or her) out back and shoot them.”
The end.
Oooo, but that sounds like the government from V for Vendetta.
That’s too easy for a kangaroo court to get rid of someone it doesn’t like.
Justa, I really hope you don’t think I was being serious.
I was only half-joking..
Are you sure? That’s the very definition of a kangaroo court; one where the guilty verdict and punishment have been decided before the charges are read and evidence “heard”.
Why must you malign the noble kangaroos so? What have they ever done to deserve the reputation of legal corruption??!!
I saw a kangaroo masturbating at the zoo once.
Well what do you expect? It’s not like they can go into the shower for privacy when they need to masturbate, there’s people watching them all the time! It’s either become an exhibitionist or become a eunuch. Poor kangaroos.
Hey, I don’t hold it against the kangaroo. I was just stating a fact.
Though, he did sort of give me the “do you MIND” glare.
*ahem* Dude, MSNBC really does lean to the left, which is why I like it so much.
If you’re gonna bitch about Fox leaning to the right, at least be willing to admit the left leaning networks too. The other networks at least seem more balanced to me, but hey, I’m a liberal. LOL
“MSNBC really does lean to the left”
Just for future use, when a lean assumes the horizontal, it’s no longer leaning…
Everybody needs to calm down. Let me break it down, and I am not trolling, I’ll give you justification if you ask, but:
MSNBC: Liberal
CNN: As Fair As It Gets
FOX: Conservative
Full disclosure, Liberal here but thinks for itself (pro gun, semi pro business, Democratic Socialist)
Oddly enough, many conservatives think CNN is as liberal leaning as MSNBC. I don’t see it either. I haven’t really watched any of them since the election, though.
I haven’t watched CNN in years, but back then, it was pretty left leaning. Or maybe at the time it was Clinton leaning.
It was Clinton leaning I think… but nowadays CNN is the king of spewing some talking points, but never discussing the actual facts.
So in other words, don’t let factual information get in the way of the truth, just spew talking points.
Exactly, say what you will, including that they have virtually no actual substance out of a paralyzing fear of being thought biased, including giving the “crazy” side (not necessarily con., so relax) equal time it doesn’t deserve,
*breath*
but they are not biased. If I were to recommend an undecided independent watch one network, this would be it.
I like MSNBC though, that’s the good stuff.
MSNBC does lean left but they’re not like acid-spewing diehards, and they actually report (sometimes). Fox completely spins a story so it can suit the weekly talking point, but there is usually a couple factual accuracies. CNN doesn’t even bother to report the story, they just do fluff pieces about neighborhood pirates. Or something.
Yeah, MSNBC doesn’t have tingly leg syndrome. Yeah. You keep thinking that. Maybe you might convince yourself, but not anyone else.
Some of the most liberal people on here have admitted MSNBC was the most liberal. *sigh*
Tingly leg syndrome? Is that like restless leg syndrome? DAMNIT I HATE THOSE COMMERCIALS.
I’m not trying to say MSNBC isn’t left wing. I’m just saying they aren’t the freaking commiefascistpsychopaths that the conservatardtrolls on here would like you to believe….
is the onion and daily show the only real place to get news these days?
Don’t forget the Colbert Report!
bitter troll will not abide his lies about our friends, the bears!!!
Funny, I was flipping the channels the other day, and this foam was coming out of the bottom of my tv. I noticed it only happens when passing the 24 hour news channels.
Okay, here is the real dope, the straight skinny, the final word:
ABC: moderate liberal
NBC: liberal
CBS: left liberal
PBS: way left liberal, but well done
MSNBC: Nuts
CNN: way way left liberal, but that’s okay because nobody watches it
FOX: Conservative, but fair and balanced. Growing by leaps and bounds.
Fox…fair & balanced…AHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! *thud*
Is he, Is he dead?
I think so.
*the crowd cautiously approaches apparently lifeless body of Ivan* *one brave soul steps up and pokes him with a stick, jumps back*
Well! I guess he wasn’t so BAD after all!
Yeah, not so bad NOW are ya? *high fives, crowd throws caution to the wind, turns collective back on Ivan*
*close up to Ivan’s finger, which …. twitches *
- fin -
He’s dead Jim. Dangit! I’m a pundit, not a doctor!
Right on. Don’t let the conservatrolls suck your will to live, like they did to me.
They’re like zombies that way. It won’t be long before you start thinking that the fight is pointless and you should just end it all. On that note… HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE!!!!
Happy Thanksgiving, Janie baby!
Happy turkey/tofurkey day!
My wife called it Black Friday Eve. That made my blood run cold. I have to be at work tomorrow at 3 am. I hate retail. On the bright side, since I don’t work at Wal-Mart I don’t have to fear for my life tomorrow. Seriously, Black Friday sales should be outlawed. It’s fvcking SICK.
I hope I didn’t bring anyone down. I probably won’t be back on today, so Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!!!!
*hands Rando some plate mail and a football helmet* You’re going to need this.
Today I am thankful I have tomorrow off.
*hands Rando chain mail underwear*
Good luck with the public–hope they are polite for a change!
I would go homeless before I worked retail again.
Good luck sir.
*plays a funeral march for Rando* Our prayers (those of use who pray anyway) are with you. Show no mercy to the barbarian hordes.
And much love to the Barbarian whores…
Deprive them of the latest Barbie doll at your own peril.
i’m going shopping tomorrow… but i don’t intend on even leaving my house until close to noon. i’m hoping by then that all the loons will be home sleeping since they’ve been shopping since 3am.
seriously, is the new TV worth not sleeping so you can be first in line at walmart??
ugh.
I was woken up and informed that was our plan as well. I’m hoping they’ve all gone home to gorge themselves on leftovers and passed out by the time I venture out of the house.
Ooo…I’m sorry for you, Rando. Have a nice Turkey Day and don’t shoot any of the crazy shoppers tomorrow!
I don’t understand it, once we’ve sucked your will to live, you should have become one of us. One of us, one of us We should be able to recognize each other by sight in the street.
Ummm… where’s the funny?
No shit….
Passed out in front of the tv in a turkey coma?
In bed with hamthrax (H1N1)?
I haven’t heard “hamthrax” before. Nice one!
Second that.
I…er…borrowed it from a friend.
Oooooh, borrow some more. I likey!
I’ve got to go fetch the BF and start the festivities. Happy Thanksgiving all!
Gobble till you wobble!
It took Thanksgiving off.
The last 3 months have been Thanksgiving this year?
Well, if you’re going to celebrate a holiday you might as well do it right.
It takes that long to prepare all the food for a proper feast. If you didn’t spend the last three months preparing you aren’t doing it right.
I guess I’m just good then. Cause I prepped mine in about a week, and it’s going to take about 3 months to digest all this. *burp*
Well as long as a full three months are taken one way or another it’s all good.
I feel like that scene in “The Great Outdoors” with John Candy. Right after eating that huge steak, with Dan Aykroyd listening to my stomach gurgle.
Whiny whine whine. Way to idealise someone just cos he’s dead. Last time I checked, America has a pretty decent president now.
No, no, that was GWB, Obama is President now. Perfectly understandable mistake, he isn’t very presidential.
GWB wasn’t a good president. Sorry to bust your bubble Jim.
What about my favorite Presidents?
Me, I’m partial to raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens. Delicious.
I prefer peaches, but to each their own, I guess.
You know Jane, I really like your peaches… I wanna shake yo’ tree!
I bet you could eat those peaches for hours….
Cause I’m Castor Troy!
I’ll just call you Maurice.
My mistake, I meant to say he was a great President.
Yep, he made the GOP absolutely unelectable, which is a fantastic achievement and brilliant for America and the world.
John McCain was doing a good job of killing our chances for ever getting elected office again, but then, in the midst of political darkness rode a knight in shining armor. Who was this man who would lead the GOP back to power? Obama. A man of destiny. The sword of God.
Sword of god? I thought he was a godless atheist muslim satanist left-wing commiefascistnazi.
Did I get all of the psycho talking–excuse me ranting–points?
You forgot socialist egotistical. (As if any politician, ever, did not have a huge ego?)
no no no
obama is!
godless atheist muslim satanist left-wing commiefascistnazi egotistical radical baby killing paycheck stealing dog kicking clearly kenyan with kung fu grip anti business tree hugging money hateing child eating, flying, made of muslin, minion of cthulhu
You left out satin [sic] worshiping, hitler reincarnated, anti-christ homosexual.
and he’s only secretely half black
Shhh! You can’t tell people that! It’s a secret, if he finds out you’ve been telling people he’ll send his evil flying dog monkies after you!
whats the other half you might ask?
muslin
Yes, the sword of justice, the one we have been waiting for, God’s wrath….Obamachadnezzar. God is good, but his sword need not be cognizant of its role in the greater scheme of things. We deserve Obama, his tower, and the Babylonians who support him. But other than that, your description of him is spot on.
If you think he was a great president, then you are the one person left in America that thinks so.
Given how close John McCain came, and nobody I knew wanted him as a candidate, I think GWB could have beat Obama, had he been able to run for a third term.
Hahahahahahahaha…..oh, god, wait, you weren’t trying to make a joke, were you?
My sides are hurting, though I’m not sure if that’s laughter or not.
LMAO A third term for GW? His approval rating was so low it was damned near a negative! This jim guy is FUNNY! I vote we keep him around for the humor he generates!
Never underestimate the stupidity and pure sheep-like quality of the general populace. I never thought he’d get elected to a second term and we all see how that turned out.
Wind the clock back a few months, sister — remember the large, loud, and very well-funded anti-war movement circa 2004? And remember how they got duped into accepting a pro-war candidate?
At that point it became a foregone conclusion.
More precisely, how Kerry got “are you man enough?”-ed into proclaiming himself pro-war. Bush played him like a harmonica.
Fair enough — and I’m sure he’s kicking himself for not taking Obama’s approach and building his hawk credentials on Afghanistan — but it’s not as though he was anti-war before he got played.
John Kerry….he fought in Vietnam, right?
Define “fought”, lol…
Just a word of caution, don’t go down that road. I’ve been there and it’s frought with obstacles that can be hazardous to your mental health.
Yes, Eddie once asked congress what the definition of the word ‘is’ is.
I think Eds is referring to that memorable battle he had with Charlie over Kerry’s service record. Good times, good times.
In all fairness, yes, 2004 was not an election year to warm anyone’s heart.
I assumed it was in reference to a conversation I wasn’t here for, but I couldn’t resist the comment anyways.
I republican friend of mine said regarding the 2004 election “I was all set to vote for a democrat, I wanted that jerk out of office but then you people went off and chose Kerry! “
Kerry and the Five-Head of Dooooooooooom
He might have a point though. If Bush beat McCain for the candidacy in 2000 then Bush must be better than McCain… or am I looking at it the wrong way round?
Or that Bush’s black arts committee was better than McCain’s. I gather there was a nasty smear campaign in South Carolina during the primary. Claiming that the McCain’s adopted daughter was really his ‘love child’ with a black mistress, plus questioning McCain’s sanity due to having been a POW.
If only Hogwarts could have found a permanent defense against the dark arts teacher. That could have been stopped.
COULTERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
I now have hope for your party. Thank you for proving that you arent all stupid
Funny, I don’t remember ever stating that I am in any party.
You know, you could’ve RSVP’d to my birthday party instead of cruelly smacktalking it to Ben. JERK
I just had a seizure. I didn’t know ANYONE believed that. I don’t think GWB himself believes that.
I know he didn’t believe it. He was just like, “Alright Dad I got all your friends back in. Can I go back to Texas and drink like a normal person now?”
Well, every nation deserves the president they vote for. So you were clearly in the majority when your country was run by a monk.. I mean George Walker Bush.
But there is hope for you yet with your current president who can actually read and speak in complete sentences. But I am sure those are just some irrelevant facts. Mumbling like a moron sure seems more presidential to me.
And personally I prefer reading a prepared speech clearly off an autocue (harder than conservatrolls think) to mumbling flow of conciousness.
Flow of conciousness is a valid way of writing a novel; it has no place in political speechmaking!
That would assume that there was a consciousness to begin with. Or that the ap.. I mean former president did not read of teleprompters (which of course could NOT be clearly seen almost every time) and still managed to sound like he did.
It really amazes me how you twist reality so it fits your belief. Sorry I meant politics.
Now you’ve p!$$ed me off! I’m not a British Conservative (but am British), much less an American conservative (clue in the use of the word “conservatroll”).
“Flow of conciousness” is a novel writing technique where you just write down exactly what you think and don’t edit (see the works of Jack Kerouak for examples), so how do you get me thinking that Dubya soundling like he was using it to make speeches was a good thing!?
You are very very right and I think I have to apologise, in this case I was reading your reply hastily and superficially. I fully agree.
I offer a crate of bananas from my personal stock as reparations.
You’ve been doing a lot of hasty superficial reading this morning.
Oh, please don’t assume the same was true for your “arguments”. I read them quite carefully albeit with some considerable mental distress as to the banality of them. This was in fact the reason why I was reading paw4shot’s reply very hastily in the middle of reading your delightful boring fairy tales (with the noted exceptions above, as I said there is hope).
Really? Just how many times this morning have you admitted to assuming things about me? Wrongly, I might add.
Once. But try again.
Oh and also mention the number of times you assumed things about me – this is a fun game.
And keep claiming your twisted reality (being “shot down” by several other people – very funy claim but unfortunately not true) as real and ask all others to leave the room. We will lock it behind us and leave you giggling madly. Bananas will be provided of course.
What have I assumed? Nothing. You are ranting so much that some of the liberals on here called you on it. The air rifle comment was going to be a set up to darting a rabid dog, but all the mouth foaming you’re doing got in the way.
And nothing is twisted. VG stepped in, Paws got tired of your froth, and I’m sure there will be more before the day is over.
Sorry Justa, Charro ran off with all the tranquilizers. I do have some bleach and drain cleaner we could use. See what that does.
Ewwwww, exploded troll all over the place.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Would that be Chairman Paws or Vladimir Illych Paws??
No, you’re thinking of paws uncle, Chairman Meow.
Oh how quickly they forget. We stole that election. Well, actually, the Supreme Court stole it for us. Amen. *approving nods, Amens* You are entirely right, Obama reads aloud quite well. Reminds me of Mom when we were young so many years ago. We’d all gather round the chair in the living room and Mom would read to us. *wistful* “I do not like them Sam I am, I do not like green eggs and ham…” But, I digress. *sigh* Anyway, speaking of mumbling like a moron:
{http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b79O2_zo_No}
*giggling madly* Oh jim is so FUNNY! Mommy, can we keep him?
You do realize that sound file was seriously edited to replay the same Uhs and Ums over again so it sounds like he’s going on and on unable to form a complete sentence.
That one might have been, but there are others that were not. Letterman had one with 15 umms in it. Limbaugh put together one that went on unrepeated for 7 minutes. But it’s like a speech class exercise, once someone points it out, you can work to get rid of it.
Maybe someone should do a chart of all the presidents since Lincoln, and rate them all for brains, courage, strength of character and love of country. Perhaps a panel of impartial (?) judges. Then when the points were in we would know once and for all who the Daddy was, and stop this pointless and boring comparison of dead presidents, and look to the fvcking future..
I think we can all agree that’s the kind of future we yearn for.
Consensus starts here (consensual of course).
Must be at least 18 years of age to participate.
Enough dang Lincoln captions already!
I find this poster very unAmerican. It denies the rich history of bribery, slander, propaganda, nepotism and misrepresentation that has been with this country since…I DON’T KNOW, FOREVER?
The good old days were just as corrupt as the new ones, probably more so. The real reason he’d have trouble being elected is because he’s got a squeaky voice and wouldn’t do well on television.
Well, consider THIS….*tosses Seiber on top of Rando’s crumpled body at the bottom of the stairs.*
Jim, you should really stop uploading your home movies to YouTube.
Heh, you know what I do to squealers, don’t cha?
LOL, awesome.
“I sense something…a presence I haven’t felt since…”
A disturbance in the force?
That’s as good a term for an EWAdams wannabe as any…
It did have the EWAdams stench about it. I had to look twice to make sure it wasn’t an EW non-LOL. Say…maybe this “amathistblue” is an EW sock!
Same here — I was a bit shocked when it turned out to not be one of his, and I had the same thought rattling around in the back of my head.
These are not the socks you’re looking for……
Hm, these are not the socks we are- HEY! None of those Jedi mind tricks, you! Out of the cruiser and spread ‘em!
Ok, but I don’t do the reach around thing.
I did a double take as well. I was expecting it to be him.
These are some of the meanest comments I’ve ever seen on PK.
You last went to the toilet???
Well, this is interesting. I actually looked at the comments on this one to see if anyone had noticed the grammatical error between “all mighty” and “almighty”.
Oh, I noticed it, but it’s a holiday, so I was going to let it go….also, it’s a preachy and unfunny lol, so even if it was grammatically perfect it would still suck.
Is “all mighty” grammatically incorrect?
Unless you are talking about the laundry detergent, yes.
Perhaps he was. You don’t know how Lincoln washed his clothes.
With slaves I’m sure.
And apar-tide! Weeeee!
It was an Era of discord.
I don’t know what he hoped to Gain, but it sure did make his clothes Snuggle-y.
I didn’t even look at the picture, just went right to the comments. I already know Lincoln + Poster = Unfunny and Stupid.
He died fighting with surak against kang and so
Not that Obama has questionable ethics or is a spin doctor…
Obama, a spin doctor? Does he have diamonds in his pockets or is he going to buy you rockets?
I want a rocket! I want a rocket! Ooo Ooo pick me!
you wanna rocket bike! you would look sexy straddleing a rocket bike!
I guess we’re gonna ignore the whole slavery and racist thing with this caption, huh? Pretend it never happened?
You mean that there were people in the northern states who were slave owners and racists? Yeah, we noticed that too. Funny how it gets left out so often.
Of course not if everyone in the North just pretends they aren’t as racist as people in the South than they can continue feeling superior.
*GASP* NO, REALLY?
I’m horribly racist. White people f*cking suck!
Damn crackers.
Slavery and racism existed long before the U.S., slavery is still going on in Africa and racism isn’t limited to Caucasians. Do you feel a lot of guilt for the racism and slavery in your past?
Did you know there was a time when Africans of several nations imported Indians as slaves? (not tribal Americans, for the ignorant)
Slavery still exists in Africa, and to a smaller extent in the rest of the world.
Shhhh, that’s a secret to certain people here in America. :rolls:
Exactly! Slavery in the southern United States was no big deal at all, right? And dark-skinned people in Africa had slaves, so why all this talk about what happened in our own country? And hey, slavery still happens, so what’s the big deal with long ago? And, since slavery still happens, doesn’t that make it kinda, ya know, natural?
Not at all. It’s abhorrent. Some people simply use the mindset of “only in America” as a way to bash others. When it’s simply untrue. But it’s rather trollish of you to comment the way you did.
Slavery existed in this country, it was abolished 140 years ago, what do you want us to do? Dig up the dead and scold them?
Actually, yes. Yes I would.
May hap we should also send them to the corner to sit in time out and think about what they’ve done!
And smack them with a ruler.
bitter troll has a bitter shovel
uh well roman make big buisness but it existed already in stoneage when a other tribe was defeated keep their women
en englais por favor? I can understand leaving out one or two words by accident, but really, if the sentence is that bad you need to learn to proofread.
I don’t think that was someone who speaks English as a first language.
He’s a Roman, of course. Translated from Latin via Babelfish, I reckon.,,
The Romans made slavery a big business, but it had existed since the stoneage. When tribes would engage in warfare, the tribe that conquered would keep the women of the tribe that lost.
Nah, I prefer the original.
Me too, I like “Keep their women”, I might use that as my motto from now on.
KTW, er, FTW?
Actually it existed since the year dot. Every nation did it (as machines weren’t invented then and so it was more viable to use slaves to do work that was dangerous and or needed a lot of people to work cheaply.) The Babylonians did it, The Sumerians did it. The Egyptians did it (even though nowadays it’s more politically correct to say that they didn’t use slaves to build their Pyramids that they were constructed by skilled builders, which by the way is bullshit. Yes some skilled workers were used but the majority of the donkey work was done by slave labour, shifting stones etc) even it appears Native American tribes used slaves, as did the Mayans and Aztecs, for one ethnic group to start claiming that they were so hard done by because they were enslaved, is an insult to all that other nations in the world who were (including all the nations that the Romans enslaved and you don’t find anyone hammering at the Italians door and demanding that they pay compensation.) Oh BTW for those ignorant ethnic minorities who feel that they were the only ones in modern times to be enslaved, Whites were also enslaved, of course it wasn’t called Slavery (although in some cases it was) it was known as Indentured Labour. It was often used as punishments by courts, or for people who fell into debt. These people were shipped over to the Caribbean where they were forced to work on plantations. Lots of people were affected by this. I believe that it was used in 1745-1746 during the Jacobite rebellion especially after Culloden when the English forces shipped thousands of Highlanders to the Americas as indentured workers as punishment for rebelling against the King.
I’d need to check a few of these claims, primarily the one that indentured labour was used as a punishment in criminal law (it certainly was used as a means of punishment/debt repayment in civil law) in the UK, but this is mostly correct.
Actually it is true. Indentured Labour was used (maybe not so much in this country, except in serious cases where they wanted to get rid of a fractious minority) especially in Spain where Piracy was involved. The Spanish either hung the Pirates (as did all other nations) or they made use out of them by making them indentured Labourers.
I had not heard that, but it doesn’t surprise me.
LOL, we have got to teach you how to find the reply button.
Ah, it’s my contrarian nature.
I would think it should be easy for you, it is, after all, on the right side of the thread.
You’re right. Lincoln would never be elected today. He’s a Republican. You folks preferred the evil of Obamolech and the Democrats. 50 million unborn babies have been murdered by the Democrats since Roe v Wade so that Planned Parenthood can get a profit and its politicians (Obama, Biden, Pelosi, etc.) receive proceeds therefrom. What you have fostered on the nation by your votes would turn Abraham Lincoln’s stomach. He was first and foremost a CHRISTIAN.
Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand.
Serpent! LIAR!! DEFILER!!! KINGDOMEOFGODISATHAND is Fake
OBILIVIONISATHAND is the right cheat
So what if 50 million foetuses (foeti??) have been surgically removed. How many of those have been miscarriages though? Get your rosaries off womens ovaries you schmuck
Ok, if it’s only 40 million, that’s still a heck of a lot of murdered human beings. And don’t fly off with the rosary thing on me. I’m not catholic.
If it’s only 1 million, that’s 1 million too many. No human should have to die as a form of birth control.
would have been miscarriages I assume you mean? I read one statistic that said 50% of pregnancies are miscarried before the woman knows she’s pregnant. I don’t know how they came by this number as I’m not sure how you find out a woman is pregnant and going to miscarry without the woman herself knowing. But if it’s true then that would make God the biggest abortionist of them all.
You mean satan.
I disagree. If a woman doesn’t want to bear a child to term then why should she be forced to because of other peoples (predominantly male-centric) religious beliefs. While I’m not comfortable about abortions as a method of birth control either (safe sex and the pill are much better and less distressing options) there are however circumstances where it is simply cruel and apathetic to criminalise abortions.
PS the rosary and ovary thing is just coz it rhymes
also satan works for G-d to suggest otherwise is technically a breach of the 1st Commandment
No, it’s not a breach of the 1st Commandment. While it’s true that there is nothing that God didn’t know would happen, satan doesn’t work for God.
And are you so foolish as to think that it’s not murder, simply because a human is still in the womb? Why not make it so that if she gets tired of raising the child, she can just shoot it? After all, it’s male centric religious beliefs that we shouldn’t kill others.
Well, I have to admit the thought does cross my mind when I hear a squalling child in a dark theater, and the parent refuses to take them outside…
**Starts Singing**
“Every Sperm is Sacred. Every Sperm is great. If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate”
This is true. I remember my mom telling me this. But, like DU, I’m not sure how they know this. I think it probably has to do with any length of pregnancy affecting hormones in a way that is detectable. I know they can tell on autopsies if someone has been pregnant, even if there was no delivery. I think I will ask her tonight.
The pregnancies were detected via blood tests for Human Chorionic Gonadotropin, which is made by the pre-placental tissues starting from one week until 3 months of pregnancy. Implantation is usually around 8 to 10 days post-fertilization, and can cause bleeding and cramping (sometimes mistaken for a light, slightly early period).
Wow. I am impressed. I just remembered the statistic from when my mom ran a family planning clinic. Thanks for being our smart girl! )
I teach that stuff every spring. So it isn’t so much being smart as having noticed the article…and then repeating the results to a full class a few times!
Yes, teaching does make you actually learn things. (That’s how I really learned calculus.) You still get the smartest girl in class award for the say! That may be a bit of ‘damned with faint praise’ given some of the comments today.
Ignore, move on, he’s a drive-by shooting nutbag.
He,
DID HE DIE???????????????????????????!!!!!1111111111111
no but elvis did
But…I just saw him working at a Stop N Shop in Palatka Florida last week!
You could have made the exact same caption with Adolf Hitler.
You should watch out with those so called “values” you described there.
But Hitler survived alot Assassination and later committed suicide with his wife (which he never scored cause he was impotent) and was burned.
Lincoln was a giant Hitler a midget (D_D)
GODWIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It took us this long to get to it? I’m disappointed in you, PK.
I am too. Let us go shopping.
You’re on. I also have some mint chocolate bailey’s irish creme to end our day with.
Oh Janie darling, I do so love our ladies’ outings.
He was also not the most attractive man, which means he wouldn’t be elected today, either. Today’s candidate must be TV-friendly. That includes looking average or better than average.
Taft wouldn’t be elected today either — he was too fat, and thus not TV-friendly.
also they would give him a smear campaign like “lincon is british agent of the queen”
This whole discussion reminds me of when I lived in Texas and was reading Molly Ivins (a Texas political journalist). She described the most shocking part of going to college ‘up north’ was that ‘not only did I find that they called it the Civil War instead of the War of Northern Aggression, but that we had lost!’
And an unattributed quote: “The winners get to write the history books.” (Unattributed because I can’t remember who!!)
I miss Molly Ivins–she was a hoot!
She and Ann Richards. Do you remember: “George Bush was born with a silver foot in his mouth”?
Ole Ann had quite the sense of humor. I wonder if it was the reason the people of the great state of Texas ash-canned her for George Bush’s son.
I can’t quite remember who made “The Winners write the history books” quote, but it’s very similar to the George Orwell Quote (as referred to by The Truth above) – “Those who control the past, control the future; Those who control the future, control the present; Those who control the present, control the past.” Actually I’ve just found out who wrote the “History is written by the Victors” quote. It was the late, great Winston Churchill.
Heh. Top of the thread’s like “Two Thousand Maniacs!” “YeeeeeeeHAW! Oh, the South is gonna rise agin! (YeeeeeeeHAW! And just get it’s ass kicked again!)”
Every time I hear that Charlie Daniels song “The South’s Gonna Do It Again.” I think, ‘What, lose a civil war and be raped by carpetbaggers?’
Okay PunditKitchen, tihs is the 50000th time, We Get it.
“Times have changed! Politics are dirty now! omigawd!”
Can we see some actual witty captions instead of this snarky, cynical bullshit???
There is a 100% inverse correlation between the wittiness of the caption and the number of comments. Therefore the dumber the caption the more hits for PK. Sad but true.
Hey! A new conspiracy theory! An early Christmas present?
Not sure how new it is.. too lazy to do the research. But then when did that ever stop a conspiracy theory?
Research is to conspiracy theories as garlic is to vampires.
Did you know that raw garlic works wonders on high blood pressure?
its the right thing to do, and a tastey way to do it
FYI bitter troll saw a “totally looks like”
with Ms Barbra Bush and the quaker oatmeal “pilgram”….bitter troll just shook his bitter head
Research is tp conspiracy theories as garlic is to high blood pressure?
Vampires are quite a good remedy for high blood pressure.
Conspiracy theories, by contrast, help to create high blood pressure.
So that’s what ran my bp so high the last few weeks. I actually tested at 195/95 about a week ago.
Don’t ever have your blood pressure tested: it’s bad for your blood pressure.
That’s because everyone flees before your garlic breath…we all know that other people are the real cause of high blood pressure.
(Although after yet another virus caused crash and reload today, I’m beginning to wish the garlic would have the same effect on my computer.)
There for a while, I was eating so much raw garlic that my flatulence smelled like garlic. But it does work.
actually, he never would have been elected back then either (at least, not in half the country.)
the South didn’t put him on the ballot to begin with, and split off of the US thanks to his election.
I’m seriously tired of these preachy LOLs. I hope you die amathistblue.
You’ve been keeping a pretty low profile recently….
Yeah, I’ve been busy as hell.
Drowning in a vat of copper sulphate solution could do that…..
I would think chucking about 10 of those toilet cleaning tablets into a nice hot bath, and then slitting your wrists in the tub would have the same end result.
Technically, Lincoln WAS a 3rd party candidate – the Republican party was only 6 years old at the time, and only rose to its position from one of the two main parties collapsing in the 1850s, and the Democrats splitting themselves on regional issues after their main competition went tits-up for the 1860 election.
If someone wants to bring up Lincoln’s rather draconian steps in wartime, then someone needs to also compare them to FDR’s prior to his own war, as well as during the war – or Andy Jackson’s in a time of relative peace (why the rank & file of both parties idolize Jackson is beyond me – of course I do have enough Cherokee blood to be a bit biased – but he set the bar for DC corruption, even ignoring the Trail of Tears)
Lincoln was a third party candidate. Realignment baby.
All this arguing and namecalling. Shame.
Did anyone note that historically speaking, Lincoln wasn’t elected? He was appointed.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*shakes head*
Wouldn’t you rather shake Daniel?
I prefer to drink (Jack) Daniels.
you tried…
Lincoln produced a speech which resonates with rhetoric of freedom and equality through the subsequent years…this is why he has the statue and the adulation. Irrespective of his actual political journey, which was and is apparently highly controversial, he’s a hyper-real hero for the ages.
FAIL…someone needs a history lesson.
you said fail on the interwebs, your now witty!
Actually historically in the emancipation proclomation for the state of Louisiana President Lincoln went on to specify which Parishes(French version of county) were to be emancipated> Some Parishes were under Spanish control. Some Parishes were under French control. The French Parishes were not emancipated according to President Lincoln’s document. The proclamation did not free slaves in The United States. It stated that all slaves were to be freed outside of the country according to President Lincoln’s proclamation.
If his proclamation is true and reflects his intentions and actual thoughts and words, not someone else who wrote it for him. This would indicate That President Lincoln was indeed playing politics. But don’t take my word for it. Read it for yourself. See “with the exceptions of parishes”…
Actually historically in the emancipation proclomation for the state of Louisiana President Lincoln went on to specify which Parishes(French version of county) were to be emancipated. Some Parishes were under Spanish control. Some Parishes were under French control. The French Parishes were not emancipated according to President Lincoln’s document. The proclamation did not free slaves in The United States. It stated that all slaves were to be freed outside of the country according to President Lincoln’s proclamation.
If his proclamation is true and reflects his intentions and actual thoughts and words, not someone else who wrote it for him. This would indicate That President Lincoln was indeed playing politics. But don’t take my word for it. Read it for yourself. See “with the exceptions of parishes”…
Why do I feel like I’ve read this before?
Deja moo – the feeling you’ve heard this bullshit before.
Deja moo?!?! LMAO, thanks, I’ll be using that one in the future..
ROFLMAO!! Deja Moo!! I like it!!
Any historical figure, if analyzed sufficiently will fall short of perfection.
We are all human and we all make mistakes.
Was the war horrible? Yes, of course. Did it bring the country back together? Yes it did.
Who is the one super power in the world now? The U.S.
It is easy to look back with the information we have now and pick apart every decision made by every figure in history. Its harder to look back and acknowledge, though horrible, our past has led a decent present.
Though actions taken during the civil war may not un-biased, moral, whatever. They did lead us to where we are today. The U.S is not perfect, far from it. We are however a country with immense power and many freedoms not enjoyed in the rest of the world. If we can only figure out how to do things right in the present, imagine what tomorrow will look like.
The fact that we all have the spare time to get so heated in this online discussion and are not forced to fight for survival on a daily basis, shows we have it pretty good.
I will not always agree with what we do as a country, but I am damn happy I live here. We have, do and will make many mistakes along the way. We should all be thankful we have the right to freely question our past and our leaders. There are places in the world where such conversations would lead to death or prison.
I’ve never made a mistake, I thought I had made a mistake once, but I was mistaken.
Oh noes a paradox.. Now my head hurts and I think the fabric of space-time is unraveling!
Oh now wait, that’s just my blanket. False alarm guys!
You want a Paradox, then read Robert Rankin’s “Nostradamus ate my Hamster”. More Temporal paradoxes than you could possibly shake a Dilithium Crystal at.
That sounds hot. In a nerd sexy kind of way. Are you single?
Why Default are you trying to seduce me
Well I was, but then I got engaged to Keithy, I’m not sure how he feels about me sleeping around, but if he’s okay with it then yes, I am trying to seduce you!
clearly lincon was never real and this was photoshopped
pssvr, you misspelled “War of Southern Douchebaggery” up there.
Hope this helps.
Have a nice day!
“War of Northern Asshattery.” There, fixed that for you.
*snerk*
War between of the Douches?
So, it was the war of Notrthern Asshattery and Southern Douchebaggery?
and in that mighty battle in gettysburg, the asshats and douchebags fought so savagely, the green grass was coated in blood, only a pause when someone lost a contact, then battle resumed
~cell phone rings “hold on I have to take this”. battle pauses. “but honey, I told you I had a battle with the asshats today”.
what a douchebag.
Unlike the polite British battles in which at 4pm every day the battle was halted so that the combatants could have tea and scones.
Well, I’ve heard that blamed on the failure to take the bridges at Arnham; the British tank column stopping for tea (or more accurately the reliance on getting a shed-load of tanks and motorised infantry 100 miles up a single single carriageway road without anyone breaking down and blocking the highway).
And of course the fact that the Tank commanders wanted to stop for pictures and postcards
For some reason, I felt the urge to actually reply thoughtfully to this.
As much as I abhor slavery, when you read history (or even some of the comments on this page), it is apparent that the South, while douchebag-ish is not solely responsible for moving the nation to war.
(Yeah I’m still kinda drunk so let me sort this out)
The North did not go to War with the South solely out of some moral obligation to free the slaves.
It is called The War of Northern Aggression because Lincoln wanted to deny the States their right to sovereignty. Pure and simple.
Yes, I agree with the decision to outlaw slavery. I find it appalling. Well, unless you’re kinky and both parties are willing, but enough about me and bitter troll.
If it weren’t so financially motivated, I dare say Lincoln would have said “Well, see you guys! Good luck!” and then laughed when (if) they asked to join the Union again.
In short, you’re a douchebag. Read a book.
ZOMG DID YOU GUYS KNOW THAT LINCOLN ACTUALLY -WAS- A THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE?!?!?!?!?!?!!1
Does that mean the choices from the two main parties were even worse than bush and kerry?! That must have been a bad year for politics.
Ah, the good old 19th century: the time when neither black people (in many states) nor women (in all states) were allowed to vote.
So, an alternative caption for this image:
ABRAHAM LINCOLN
A time when sex and race were more important than brains, strength of character, courage and patriotism.
Oh, uncomfortable history…
There might have been a woman or a black man who would have been an even better president, and she or he could never have been elected.
Oh uncomfortable history! Oh the humanity! *wrings hands*
Oh American trade sanctions forbidding the trade of helium to Germany forcing the Germans to fill the Hindenburg with hydrogen.
Hi neighbor! Sounds like you’re looking for a bathhouse! *helpfully points skrodal towards California*
No, we don’t have bath houses, you might try Japan.
Konichi Wa Default User-san **bows** Wakarimas. (Didn’t know I spoke Japanese did you
)
Epic Fail….He was a racist, or have we forgot about all the Indians he wanted to slaughter or the statement about how he would do anything to keep the Union, even free the slaves…….Outstanding or Opportunistic?
MURDERER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Lincoln was the FIRST “professional politician” who oversaw massive expansion of Federal power. He and Obama would hit it off quite except, except that Obama is “sort of” Black and Lincoln was a racist and white supremacist…by his own words.
REAL history, not folk legend is a lot more interesting that creating a saint out of a sow’s ear.
how the hell is this funny who the hell votes for these crappy lolz?!
That is a mystery which the regulars have not been able to solve…unfortunately!
because he was a republican
To be fair, neither would Washington, Kennedy, FDR or Taft. Because they’re dead, and (even if the constitution doesn’t specifically mention it) I am pretty sure one of the requirements for running for office is to have a pulse.
Hmm…technically it doesn’t mention it. You may have something here. *begins Nikola Tesla for president campaign. * Free electricity for everyone!
Considering that Nikolai Tesla has been dead for 66 years, you’ll need that free electricity for trying to resurrect him.
“He lives Igor. He Lives. BWAHAHAHAHAHAH”
There’s technically no requirement for him to be alive. *parades mostly decayed corpse around* He’s doing a handshaking this afternoon following the press conference. *wonders if Tesla could have found a way to resurrect someone using electricity*
This is bullshit. The dude was an asshole. Stop allowing 14yr old punks to write captions.
*snerk*
Lincoln hated black people, do some research, he freed them so he could get rid of them.