Um… The Czars
Um… The Czars weren’t Commies. They had a revolution about that…
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Strike Two, PK. Don’t strike out today, please.
*I* think it’s funny.
… though the sign doesn’t say that the *Russian* Czars were communist?
This might have worked slightly less that a century ago.
This lol was made by a moran
There’s a difference between “Czars” and “Tsars.” Tsars were the russian dictator-kings whom the communist revolutions overthrew. Czars are officials appointed by presidential authority who only have to answer to the president, not the people or to congress. This lol was made by a real stupid idiot.
Nah, it’s just A’MER-i-Russian. Didn’t you take that in HS?
I want to know why there are two different spellings and both of them seem to have the first letter silent. What’s wrong with “Zars” or “Sars?”
isnt sars a disease?
Yes. Yes it is, Mr. Troll.
In any case, i remember from some history lesson…. somewhere… That Czar is a bastardization of “Caesar”, meaning “Conqueror”.
History fail: “Caesar” does not mean “Conqueror”. It was the cognomen (that is, family name) of one of the ruling families of the Roman Republic. Gaius Julius (more commonly known as Julius Caesar) is the most famously known from this family because he was the first to be named “dictator for life” of the Roman Republic, which then transitioned into the Roman Empire when his nephew Octavian took over after his assassination and assumed, among many others, the title of “Imperator”.
Over time, the name Caesar was used to address the emperor as homage to the first imperial dynasty. This filtered through to the many different cultures that were influenced by Rome, and thus the Russians had a “Tsar”, Germans a “Kaiser”, etc.
Th english language is a strange and elusive creature, very little is known about it and it is rarely observed in its natural state.
It usually appears briefly to confound and confuse its speakers before hiding in the underbrush.
Not just speakers but writers as well. What the hell is up with this English spelling???
They have an annoying tendency to reverse the “e” and the “r:, as in centre.
And toss in all of those unnecessary ‘u’s!
Yeah! I mean, what’s up with colour, flavour, honour, neighbour, rumour and labour (sorry Froo — don’t want to spook you!).
Hey, the sooner you can spook me into “labour” the happier I’ll be….
32 and a half hours and counting….
-lifts up a picture of karl rove- spoooookey
“Hey, it’s Karl Rove here. How’s your Bud Ice? Doo-be-doo-be-doo…”
Wrong flavour of scary. You should have tried Acorn, or Bill Maher!
Through
Though
Bough
Rough
… using it as a second language, I find it rather amazing that so many people actually get it right now and then or even for the most part.
Even the rules in English aren’t rules. There are more exceptions to most rules than there are words that follow the rules.
Quite true. That goes for any language, i think – and the older the written language is, the more anomalies it has.
Finnish, for example, is pretty sane in its spelling, thanks to basically being a strictly oral language until not more than a couple of centuries ago.
(A couple of centuries ago == sometime during the 16th century.)
Well by European standards, that IS just a couple centuries. It would be a millennium for we wimpy US types!
… Be that as it may, your language is still more Olden than Olden Thynges. It’s just your spelling that’s whacked… ;p
all our interesting spelling quirks are because english is a b@st@rd language — it’s never met a foreign word it didn’t adopt and corrupt.
… like most sensible languages do.
Oh, and sorry – I should’ve been clearer. I find the Am. Eng. spelling whacked, not the Br. Eng. spelling. :p
I think part of it is from a movement back in I think Calvin Coolidge’s day (although I might have the wrong president), when they intentionally forced towns and counties to change their spelling to a ‘more effiicient American way’. So Boxboro rather than Boxborough…etc, etc.
I before E, except after C, unless it’s Neither, Foreign, Leisure, Sheikh, Weird, Protein, Height, or Heifer. And many more.
I generally love noticing the differences between just about any transcribations in Swedish and English. They’re rarely the same, so by now I try to disregard any and all spelling “errors” and just enjoy the variety.
Moammar al Khadaffi
Yassir Arafat
Al-Quaida
Leonid Trotskij
Fjodor Dostojevskij
Leonid Trotskij
Peking
Mao Tse-Tong
and so on in all eternity, hopefully…
(And the word at hand is always “tsar” in Swedish. Pronounced with a “ts”.)
Oh, sorry. Trotskij’s name apparently fascinates me very much. :p I blame it on the … sunshine.
As long as you don’t have the trotskis! If you do, I hope you see the doctor!
Not to mention Taleban/Taliban. Depends on whether you’re in a country using British or American English. News flash to Western-centrists: Arabic has its own alphabet and Chinese doesn’t. (whether or not you follow “standardized” systems for converting other languages to the Roman alphabet is a matter of taste and again, where you live.)
Well, in Russian, the word “царь” is pronounced kinda like “Tsar”. There’s a Russian letter “Ц” and “Ts” is as close as you can get in terms of the sound of that letter.
Oh. And now I know!
Oh. You didn’t REALLY want to know. My mistake. I saw a question about Russian and couldn’t contain myself.
Psst. The correct response is…and knowing is half the battle.
Imma gonna try this again…
Knowing is half the battle!
G.I. JOE!!!!
(Porkchop sandwiches!!)
body massage…who wants a body massage?
THE OTHER HALF IS VIOLENCE!
Ya khotel eto skazat D:
No spasibo, tovarish’!
Nezhasto, comrade!
Ne palites’.
What?? Speak Russian!
TECHNICALLY, “czar” was used before “Tsar” in Russia. “Czar” was an unofficial term for someone in the ruling caste. “Tsar” would become the official term of the Russian dictatorship. As such, the sign still refers to the Russians, where it is true that the Communists overthrew the Tsar. Sign fail, and commenter-research fail.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_(disambiguation)
“Tsar, Tzar, and Czar are various Latin alphabet spellings of the same Slavic word, the title of a Russian, Bulgarian or Serbian monarch.”
The American political term actually does have to be spelled “czar”… but not the title for Russian leaders.
dunno but that …. in the USA, “czar” is more of a slang term, so either works.
The C-version is much more common, though.
Nope. They still have the same origin “Caesar”, and meaning “Emperor”, and are interchangeable, although trough history one or the other have been favored.
It IS funny to see americans talking about commie or socialist Czars, it is funny in many levels, not only because of the evident contradiction, but also because it demonstrates that those who use those terms in this instance of political attacks, have no idea where the word comes from.
If you see, for instance, the meaning in spanish, the translation of both czar and tzar is Zar, which is, both the title of russian monarchs and that of specially appointed authorities (although I think we got that last one from imitating the US use of the word). So it’s still funny to see talk about Zares Comunistas. But it is probably funnier outside of the US, looking in. In the same way that reading the term chocoholic or workaholic is extremely funny.
The “Kaiser Commies” probably could stir up even more manure.
You’re misinformed, Doughboy. The different spellings come from the fact that the first letter for the word Czar/Tsar in Russian has no English equivalent.
The word is the Russian for caesar. It’s what the Russian emporers chose to call themselves. It’s also what President Nixon chose to call his special advisor for some broad policy area or another. And the name stuck. Reagan has czars, both Bushes did… this is no lefty conspiracy.
And the czars (or tsars) appointed by the President are in fact subject to confirmation by the Senate, just like every other cabinet-level appointment.
Read a book. Or a newspaper. Or go back to school and this time do the homework.
“The different spellings come from the fact that the first letter for the word Czar/Tsar in Russian has no English equivalent. ”
I would like to direct you to my explanation above, complete with examples in Cyrillic.
Errr… czars and tsars are the same thing, just written differently. czar comes from caesar, which means emperor. Tsar is the English spelling.
Read the frickin previous comments!! IT. HAS. BEEN. DISCUSSED. 10 MILLION. TIMES. ALREADY.!!!!
ooOOoo, you spelled it differently. Nevermind the fact that there was no agreed upon transliteration into English at the time so there were multiple ways to spell it then. And totally disregard the fact that the term Czar was coined by Eisenhower to describe his advisors and intentionally spelled the same way it was for the Russian ex-royalty at his time in history. Oh and pay no attention to the fact that most people today STILL spell it Czar when referring to the ex-royalty.
So why didn’t you bring up the fact that Czar, Tsar, and Kaiser (read Hitler) all are derived from the same word, Ceasar? It would seem to follow nicely along your logic path and it would let you include Hitler in your weak, pedantic argument.
No, your probably right. I’m sure the person holding that sign had no intention of tying the modern media name for modern political advisors with no actual power to the red scare. I’m sure the commie thing was done with full knowledge of the fine-tuned distinction between early twentieth century and early twenty first century English transliterations of Russian titles. Yup, I bet that’s exactly what was on their mind when they got out the magic marker.
WTf Kaiser read Hitler??!! What you been smoking?
Russian doesn’t use the same alphabet that we use in English, so both spellings have been used when translating the word. Both spellings refer to the Russian emperor, and as someone else pointed out, it is a derivation of Caesar, which generally means emperor or leader. To hear it spoken by a native Russian you can usually hear a hard consonant sound in front, hence the “T” version. The German title Kaiser is also a variation on Caesar.
The first use of the term Cszar in American government was during the Wilson administration, but it came into much greater use during the Nixon administration, which was, of course, Republican. Most administrations since then have made use of it, particularly during the War on Drugs during the Regan administration.
And if anyone read all this, I am truly astonished.
Even if that’s true (and I honestly have no idea whether it is), I very seriously doubt these people have a sense of such historical subtlety. These people probably think that Hitler invented anti-semitism and that Columbus sailed the ocean blue to prove that the earth is round.
actually, you sound like the idiot. Tsar and czar are both correct spellings though czar is usually more common.
Nice job Origin. You managed to point out what NO ONE ELSE DID this whole time!
*throws flowers and confetti*
here’s another egg nog with an extra jigger, plus a + internets for the bold
captain obvious just needs a trip to the vet doesn’t he?
comming from someone who can’t spell “moron”
Coming from someone who can’t spell “coming”. Sigh.
Zing! Nice one.
Actually, Van Jones was the Green Jobs Czar and a self avowed communist… The poster is somewhat accurate.
A good current events fail by the poster! A comment win for for gnik…
Interesting that you use those words, “self avowed communist.” When I do a google on that, I get a lot of hits for Fox “News” and right-wing blogs, but no hits that actually cite this “self-avowal.”
I thought they were asking someone, “Who, Commie, are the Czars?”
Duh, SB. Didn’t you know that Fox “News” is the ONLY reliable source of “information”. /sarcasm
It’s also interesting that the hits you were looking for were around before the guy was put in, but the white house scrubbed it. That, and Fox News and the right-wing blogs are a lot more popular than the sites that would have information from Van Jones about Van Jones.
Conspiracy theory much?
Because popularity = accuracy!
It used to be that patriotism was the last refuge of the scoundrel; times have changed. Now patriotism is the first refuge of the scoundrel, and WELLFOXNOOZIZPOPULARRRRRRSOTHERE is the new last refuge.
I didn’t look at any sites from Van Jones about Van Jones. I looked for any sites that weren’t blogs or Fox “News” or derived from Fox “News.” There weren’t any. One bit of video from Fox claimed that Van Jones is on video saying that he is a communist, but a Youtube search only brought up Glenn Beck.
You ever try to ‘Scrub’ something from the internet? Give it a run, see how that turns out for ya. Goodness knows it works so well for dictators today. That’s why we never see videos of the Iran protests. Oh, and it’s such a convenience for all of those politicians who make all those gaffes we see on youtube. That ’scrub it’ thing works great!
Aremis
Conspiracy Troll thinks the White House has “Magikal Powers” and can make things go *poof* with their special interwebs machines.
Actually Lefty, PK Hit a Home Run with this one.
Showing misinformed and uneducated Americans following whatever the voice on their radio or picturebox tells them to do.
But provide them with facts and real information and their heads will spin.
For example: Ronald Regan had more Czars than Obama in his employee. Surprising how that information is barely mentioned. ^_^
Douchebags not understanding the concept of the “PUN” fail.
Commie Czar, COMMISAR.
Don’t turn around, oh-oh-oh…
So the commie czars are in town, uh-oh?
Actually, “Truth”, you’re wrong about that according to the research I’ve seen. Obama has 35 “czars”, which is more than anyone has had in the past. He’s still not done appointing, I’d wager, so count on that number to go up.
Wrong! Bush had 47 at one point in his administration. But let’s get past the word “Czar,” which is just a shorthand expression that the press and the Nixon White House first used back in the 1970s when Nixon appointed the first head of the newly created Federal Energy Administration.
Since then, sub-cabinet level executive branch policy directors have been referred to informally as “czars,” because the full titles and department names were often cumbersome and sometimes confusing for the average reader.
Let’s face it, folks…It’s a lot easier to use the informal handle of “drug czar” than the “Director of the Office of Nationls Drug Control Policy” or the alphabet soup abbreviation ONDCP.
Yeah they did! And if not for the western powers all siding with the idea of a “Tsar” and fighting against the revolution, the world might just be a better place today.
Of course… there is no real way to know….
Well, there’s ONE way, but it’s classified.
Let’s just say… that’s one of the “no go” Alternates.
Give it time! I think we will all find out one day!
Not as long as all its proponents keep insisting on going about it back-asswards.
Not as long as humans are humans…
Yay! It’s a funny! Somewhere in Russia the Czars are rolling in their graves. Or tombs. Or where ever the heck their remains are.
in ah bucket!
Yeah, especially Nichollas II.
Ok, I give up. I don’t know enough Russian history to get the joke. Why is he in a bucket? Was he beheaded or something? Or did he cawl in the bucket after he kicked it?
the tzar and his family were assassinated by the bolsheviks in 1917 or there abouts as part of the russian revolution. after the bolsheviks overthrew the monarchy, they were overtaken and absorbed by the communist party of lenin and stalin.
here’s a wiki articles to get you started if you’re interested in learning about that time period:
{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_II_of_Russia}
TY, most of what I know about Russian history is from that time, but I have to confess that the majority of that is from the cartoon movie Anastasia. I managed to retain a little from college history. Not much, just enough to remind myself that Anastasia actually died. She did not run around Paris with a hottie. (Reality sucks sometimes.)
I’ve got more bad news. Disney’s Pocahontas isn’t a historical film either.
I know.
And I found out a few years ago that neither is Mulan.
but the little mermaid…100% true
No, it’s only “based on a true story”. They totally changed the ending!!
(Disney’s ending is completely different from H.C.A’s book)
Isn’t it always? I wonder how Disney’s Romeo & Juliet would end?
Oh, the horror! Don’t make me imagine that!!!
the same as troma’s version of it?
with inbreeding!
It wouldn’t be funny like Shakespeare’s version. LOL, stupid teens. /sarcasm
Romeo: “Come, bitter conduct, come, unsavoury guide
thou desperate pilot, now at once run on
the dashing rocks thy sea-sick weary bark
heres to my love”
(goes to drink poison vial, Juliet wakens and snatches poison vial from Romeo)
Romeo: “Your alive?”
Juliet: “I was only pretending, but I’m alive!”
Romeo: “O Happy day, your alive!”
(sing as duet)
Romeo “Your alive!”
Juliet “I’m alive!”
Romeo “O happy is the day, it could have been a
tragedy
I could have said to be or not to be,
but your alive, your alive”
Jluiet: “Im alive!”
(enter Montagues and Capulets, together with woodland creatures)
All: “O happy happy happy day, shes alive, shes
Alive!
It could have been a tragedy, he could have
said to be or not to be, but she’s alive,
She’s alive”
(Exuent All, left, singing, leaving Romeo and Juliet)
(focus on Romeo and Juliet, staring adoringly into each other’s eyes, fade to black, cue credits)
I think I died a little right there.
I threw up in my mouth a little.
I wanted to kill myself.
no one wants to watch a movie where she turns into sea foam at the end!
save the hot half naked red heads!
Eh, she’s okay. Belle has bigger hooters.
What? What are you people looking at?
You’ve got the best chances of getting some action from Snow White though. Single woman living with 7 guys. You can’t make me think she isn’t easy.
pfft look at snow white, everyone knows she is really a 14 year old boy in drag
But that was the best part.
YES! Awesome!
*Happy dance*
i met jody benson (voice of ariel) last year. she’s incredibly sweet. had dinner and drinks with her. she’s a beer and wings sort of gal.
That just makes me like the movie even more. I now have something in common with Ariel.
Me too. In that we are both mermaids.
Oh, now that one is news to me. Damn. Hercules is dead on, right?
As far as I know. But what about Aristocats? Please tell me there used to be cats running around Paris singing!
Yes. 101 Dalmatians is also historically accurate.
But what they don’t tell you is that in the end, the Humane Society came and took all the dogs “for their own safety” and that poor family never saw any of them again.
what do you expect with 101 doggies running around, chewing popping and peeing on everything? the stench must of been horrid
At least they weren’t being turned into a coat.
they where let live a wild and free life on a big farm with lots room to run around
Was it the Manor Farm?
no it was that one from..ummm..not children of the corn…but that happy farm movie…umm…
I’m more concerned with the superintelligent magic rats that the National Institute of Mental Health let loose upon us. RED ALERT!
NIMH= Win
I got nothin’ after that one.
most of it was true but the ending, when they where all caught by the asian restraunt
I’ve now lost all faith in humanity.
Cocktails, anyone?
yes please
if it makes you feel better, the hunchback totally stuck to the book
Actually it does make me feel a little better knowing that Disney managed to not screw something up completely.
no in the book they all died
*Sigh* I should have seen that coming. Is this because I was hiding the cookies from you in the other LOL?
that wasnt bitter troll, that was the phantom of the pundit kitchen….its cause thats how extreamly depressing french drama’s end. not with songs and singing gargoyals…but with everyone dead
French drama. That’s a little redundant don’t you think? I mean, when’s the last time you heard about a French comedy?
the birdcage was based off a french movie by the same name, same theme, both comedy….in the french version everyone died
@ Mina: La Cage aux Folles?
Bitter troll beat me to it!
Apparently the French do have a sense of humor, but maybe it doesn’t translate well.
Huh. Tati did excellent hangover-humour.
I didn’t realize Birdcage was bassed off of a French film. I seem to be getting all sorts of education today. That’s one of my faves too.
“I’ve pierced the toast!”
Mina barked and farted: “Actually it does make me feel a little better knowing that Disney managed to not screw something up completely.”
Ah, right, Disney ruins everything. Idiot.
I hope to live another twenty years that I might see frontal-lobe-devoid morons try to look hip by sniffily dismissing everything Pixar ever made as “bland garbage.”
Wow, dude. I think it’s clear that you take your animated films a little too seriously.
I’m about to ruin the rest of Mal’s week: MONSTER’S INC. WAS A CONTRIVED PIECE OF DRIVEL!
Malfeasance wrote (in short): “LEAVE DISNEY ALOOOONE!!11!!1!1!”
Ooh. I am excited about anyone feeling this excited about the revelation that Disney movies do spectacularly altered versions of their titles. I am, based on your other posts, assuming that your post was dripping with sarcasm, wherefore I’ll say: YEAH! LEAVE DISNEY ALONE!!111!!!1!!
Pixar is okay. DreamWorks is pretty f’ing solid, though.
*agrees with the Rando*
Malfeasance are you serious?! They’re fukcing cartoons! Get over it.
Just tired of the intellectually lazy (and Mina proves to be exactly that, throughout this entire thread) using BLARRR DIZNEY SUXXORS as a shortcut to looking clever.
Some do it because Disney is a big, powerful corporation and therefore quite obviously evil (see the South Park episode about Tweak and Harbuck’s Coffee–”…and corporate is bad!!”), some do it because Disney has a long history of quality family entertainment (NEERRRRRRDS!!!). But in the end, they do it because they’re lazy in the head and they think this makes them look smart.
Every studio has done a wildly inaccurate adaptation of “Hunchback” (as far as I’m aware, the old Anthony Quinn flick is the only marginally accurate one). Every studio has delivered their share of turds. But you don’t see too many people yelling MOAR LIEK TWENTIETH CENTURY SUX!!!!!!1
… because most other companies don’t make nearly as much impact as Disney does.
I myself love the Disney movies, but I’d love them even more if they didn’t make everything so fvcking … disnified. :p
I’m also amused to see people confuse a general defense of Disney with a blanket defense of Disney.
Mina’s post suggested that Disney screws up everything. EVERYTHING. Is that correct? Is that even remotely accurate?
I can rattle off a list of Disney films I hate with a passion, starting with “Condorman.” (In fact, I don’t particularly like “Monsters Inc.,” either. Again, some people can’t distinguish between “general” and “all-inclusive.”
“Again, some people can’t distinguish between “general” and “all-inclusive.””
Well, duh. It’s an Internet forum If we don’t jump to every fecking conclusion we think we can reach, and then some, and on top of that polarise hysterically about any such jumpee conclusion – where’d the fora be? Huh?
Nuances? Benefits of a doubt? Calm and responsible discussion? Fvck that.
THIS.
IS.
INTERNEEEEET!!111!!!1!
LMAO! This is too funny. Malfeasance, get a life. Seriously dude- if you take everything I say seriously, you’re going to develop chronic migraines. And trust me, those are no fun at all.
Malfeasance, I think you’re taking this whole convo too seriously.
Then again, your name does mean “wrongful conduct,” doesn’t it
Malfeasance, you need to get a grip, man! Look, since I died, my company’s pretty much gone in the crapper, creativity-wise. It’s all about marketing now. Sell the kids more and more plastic crap, execrable “sequels”, ice shows, food….I mean, seriously, Cinderella III? If I wasn’t frozen and I had a body to sit at a damn desk with, I’d *headdesk*.
Lenin was actually the only guy in charge. Stalin only gained control after Lenin’s death under the guise of “I read his will. It said leave me in charge. I think its best for the Party if we never let anyone read this will again.” In reality, Lenin distrusted and even disliked Stalin. Lenin was afraid that Stalin was too agressive, and didn’t respect authority. Lenin was worried that if Stalin would takeover, the wrong kind of dictatorship would take place. Lenin was a real smart guy. Read “State and Revolution.” Its about 150 pages of “awesome”. Stalin…. not so much.
Stalin was an epic douche and everyone knew it, but he forced his only competitor (Leon Trotskey) out of the country. Wait, why am I saying this? We’ve all read Orwell’s “Animal Farm”, right?
bitter troll likes it when he is more equal then others
1=1, therefore 1>1… *headasplode*
Four legs good, two legs b-a-a-a-d!
He and his family were shot, their bodies burned and what remained was scattered in a clearing in the woods (so the story goes). Only in the last 10 years were they able to link some of the few remains found to the Romanovs, and only by comparing the DNA from the remains to Prince Phillip’s (U.K.) DNA. Soooo….not many remains = stored in a bucket.
Shooting kids… always a good way to start a Glorious Revolution.
Actually, it is. A clean sweep, with no “icons” for the uneducated to hold on to and for the opposition to rise as an alternative.
WOW!!! “Uneducated”. I’m sure there were quite a few educated people that didn’t like Communist Russia (hence the reason of it’s decline). Man you are an elitist aren’t you?
I am not the least bit elitist. It’s a fact – 80% of the population of the Russian Empire consisted of peasants, who were either completely uneducated/illiterate/undereducated. The Tzar was looked at as divine by the “peasants” (yes, that’s what they were). He would have been cast as a religious martyr (which he has actually become in Russia) and, had his children been spared, the likelyhood of the peasants(who did tended to have no formal education – “uneducated” AND made up 80% of the Russian Empire) holding them up as icons was very high.
Oh, and @ILPB, just because you don’t like the word “uneducated” doesn’t mean that it’s not an accurate discription of a condition.
Aww, crap. Complete proof-read fail on tha first post. *hangs head in shame*
HOW ironic that a typical liberal puke communist worshiper …..who for some odd reason doesn’t just move to an already communist country (since it’s succcch a wonderful concept)…talks of those lowly “uneducated peasants” while forgetting that many many Obama supporters are about as stupid and uneducated as you can get. Communism ONLY takes over when the vast majority are as clueless as so many Americans have become, thank you welfare state and the teachers union.
So stop talking down to the ones making the destruction of our once great country so easy you elitist douche bag.
Someone needs a hug. Can I get a hug? Right here. Hug. Now. Hug. C’mon. Hug.
Yeah, Douche needs a hug. He’s very butthurt about historical facts for some reason.
@ Ura Douche
Lol, how ironic that a typical conservative puppet FOX worshipper… who for some reason has no concept of reality, is pointlessly lambasting someone for simply justifying a statement of FACT you’re not very fond of. Here’s some other facts you won’t like: socialism and fascism are opposite (you can’t be both), Nixon supported healthcare reform, Reagan had more “Czars” than Obama does, Obama has increased government transparency, Obama is a christian and a U.S. citizen, Sarah Palin is a fool, FOX “news” lies, etc. I think you get the picture. Please to be observing reality.
P.S. See what I did there? I parodied your first sentence in my own! I like satire.
You know, if any country actually pulled off communism successfully, I might consider moving there. The currently communist countries are anything but.
Rando, I’d like a hug.
I’m going to ASSUME that this reply means that you understand why they did it, not that you actually think murdering children is acceptable no matter how “holy” your cause.
‘Course, with some Leftists, you never know…
Well, I’ll jump in here and say that there’s a big difference between “ethically and/or morally right”, which I don’t think HelOnWheels was suggesting, and “practical and/or expedient”, which it probably was.
Oh, no doubt. And I’m usually more of a “practical and/or expedient” person myself (except that I was also born without a conscience) , which is why I’d prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Of course, that attitude will get you called all kinds of names around here. Like “Social Darwinist,” to use one of the nicer names I’ve been called. (See the PK discussion of the depression-era pic the other day).
You’re welcome!
Social Darwinism is flawed in so many ways. Yet, I actually know plenty of Social Darwinists, they’re everywhere! They’re absolutely horrid people!
I’d like to see how Social Darwinists would react if they were on the loser end of their own ideas. Probably not so darwinistic then, I imagine.
It’s impossible to argue with them on anything, they always decide they’re right. It’s annoying…
Amusingly enough, they are often Republican pols, eh? They’re happy to let their base scream about Darwin corrupting people, then they like to go off and let the poor and weak die quietly.
Oooo… um.. yeah… I’m just gonna stay away from that one…
@ T
… no comment …
Thank you, Diss. You are so teh awesum!
@Slagg – I understand why they did what they did from a practical/historial/political standpoint. I do NOT believe that murdering children (or using children in any kind of “crusade”) is acceptable. And please don’t use “Leftists” like that (you don’t know if I’m a progressive or a conservative now do you??). You can all them extremists, you can call them assholes, but you can’t generalize “leftist” or “right-wing”. Look at Charles Taylor of Liberia – he killed children (effectively speaking) to achieve control, does it matter if he’s a “righty” or “lefty”?? NO! All that matters is he’s a genocidal fu(k-head (as Eddie Izzard would say) that killed children.
Dude you’re totally a Lesftist… whether it be somewhat left of center or ALL the way left of center, you’re left. Just like I’m right, remember that, I’m always right!!! (Little pun for y’all there). Sorry I misread your entry, seemed elitist, b/c there were those that had education that also held onto “icons”. It actually was the “uneducated” that bought into the whole Revolution. The rich were the ones trying to stop it, they had the most to lose.
The uneducated bought into the whole revolution partially because they were no longer required to, more or less literally, “worship” the monarchy and partially because the revolutionary leaders promissed them things to which they had never had access nor could dream of having access: universal education, equal pay, safe working conditions, etc. The people that were educated did not hold the monarchy up as “icons”, they just knew which side their bread was buttered on before the revolution. Do you think they wanted the Tsar to stay in power because they “worshipped” him? Not a chance.
Why do you give a sh*t if I’m a progressive or a conservative? What does it add to this discussion? I just know more about the Russian Revolutions, end of story. Being leftist or right-wing in my socio-political-economic beliefs does not impact my superior knowledge of this particular subject. [How you like THAT for elitist!!!
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Dude I think we said the same thing. We’re in violent agreement. I was just saying that there is some flawed logic in your assessment of the killing of the Tsar (Czar, Zod, etc..) and his family. The biggest concern was that the White Army was getting close to freeing the Tsar. Remember the White Army was not just monarchists, but those opposed to Bolshevick rule (mostly middle class). If freed it would give the White Army more vigor to fight. Once the Tsar was dead there was nothing left to fight for. So it wasn’t to keep an uprising of peasants from occuring but to destroy the will of the White Army already fighting.
Say what you will, it’s a practical observation. Horrible, sure, but by no means stupid or pointless.
P.S. I’m not a liberal BTW, so don’t start with me.
You just play one on TV?
works better if you eat them, gives you more time to start your revolution because everyone is so freaked out you just ate a kid.
Plus, just shooting them is such a waste of juicy, delicious children.
Nichollas was the walrus
goo goo ga choob
Oh christ. You’ll set off Rando now for sure.
*ducks and covers*
The LOLrus has the Czar’s remains????
Well, I think the LOLrus is pissed that the remains are taking up his bucket.
The Commie Czar’s in town.
Uh-oh!
Don’t turn around
Uh-oh.
You’re in his eye
And you’ll know why
The more you live
The faster you will die
Alles klar, Herr Commie Czar!
Exactly what I was thinking!
History defeats Rhetoric one- nil!
Funny a liberal compalining about Rhetoric. That’s what I like to call ironic.
… or -ronic, anyway
Which Ron would that be? White? Pearlman? McDonald?
Jeremy.
dhydar wishes.
Paul!
Hey, you invented a word. “compalining” Does that mean “complaining about Palin”? I like it!
Quick! Copyright it!!
Hai gaiz! Check out this copyright I have on my new word, Compalining!
Ohai Begoniac.. This is awkward..
Begoniac snoozed and…uuhmm…loosed?? No. Guess I’ll have to sacrifice rhyme for grammar. She snoozed and lost. In your face, Begoniac!!
Charro – do we have to pay you a royalty if we use “compalining”?
The time stamps win. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have some more compalining to do on a distant message board.
Timestamps mean nothing now that I have a copyright. Bring in the royalties!
(Parses his own comment)
Nope, don’t see any complaints there. (scans it again- only five words there)
Nope, not a single one.
More rightie rads who are uninformed about history.I wish these people would put down their guns and religion for a few minutes and pick up an encyclopedia or history text.
I think the problem *is* the history text.
How about reading some current events. Many of Obama’s advisers have been deemed czars because there is nothing controlling their actions. And, some of them are/were self avowed communists.
And how about you take it in the context they meant it in and agree the ones holding the signs are ignorant idiots.
From reading the posts, I’ve come away with the realization that none of you on the left know what the movement was even for. It appears that you’ve either read blogs, listened to late night talk shows, or read about it in left wing publications. Before you start name calling, maybe you should try to figure out why they’re saying what they’re saying.
I’ve already figured it out, it’s because they’re both morons and cowards.
Cee: Why are they morons and cowards? Please elaborate. What is wrong with not wanting to have to pay more taxes? What is wrong with not wanting the government to grow too large? What is wrong with protesting? You know the liberals are those that tote acceptance and tolerance, yet some of the most intolerant people on this board are liberals. In the great words of Keyshawn Johnsons “C’mon MAN!”
I think I would agree if you said that the most intolerant people typically are those that identify with one end of the political spectrum or the other – they’re just intolerant about different things (it’s actually pretty funny to see, in a sad kind of way).
This is US-centric, but for some time now I’ve wanted to see an experiment done where they take various groups of people in the different parties and show them a video of a “political” speech being given by someone with the person’s name underneath – three groups: one version where the party is identified as Republican, one as Democrat, and one with no identification. Same speech on some boring non-partisan thing in each case. Then poll the different groups about the speech and align their responses to their political parties.
I was just trying to point out the irony or hypocrisy of Cee’s complaint. True the most intolerant people are those on the far end of the spectrum (per definition), however it’s the far left that totes tolerance and acceptance, while the far right tends to tote subjective tolerance. I get annoyed with the “Don’t judge me, man” crowd when they call Righters morons for protesting, while I also want to kick in the nards the holier than though moral righties who bang those that are not their spouses.
it’s not the protesting that the left objects to, but the stupidity in which it’s done – ie communist tzars — the communists (when they were still the bolsheviks) were the political group who assassinated the tzar and his entire family including the young children. or calling everyone on the left socialists and communists just because we don’t agree with the political platform of the right. this is our country too so don’t try spouting love it or leave it, that got old during the vietnam era!
And why do they bang their paramour in fields of nards, as opposed to daffodils, or forget-me-nots?
There’s nothing wrong with not wanting to have to pay more taxes, but it does seem mighty selective that the vast majority of these people had no problem with all of the debt being created by Bush II.
Historically, government spending has risen more under Republican administrations than under Democratic administrations, controlled for number of years in office and inflation. Obama might end up acting more like a Republican in that regard than Carter or Clinton, but that still remains to be seen.
The defense spending has been frivolous and unnecessary. We haven’t been attacked with any degree of success since 9/11, why do we need to keep doing research into “defense”. The government just uses that to make us scared so we throw money at them to “fix it.” To quote someone I don’t know, “The world exists in a constant state of terror convenient to its leaders’ ambitions.” Don’t be fooled, we don’t need anymore “defense”, we’re as safe now as we were 10 years ago.
What would you have the government spend the money on if not on defense? I am curious.
I dunno, proly something equally pointless, but at least they couldn’t use fear tactics as effectively that way. Besides, I though you disapproved in government spending in general.
How about, “establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare.”
Yeah, I’ll believe that when pigs fly. Don’t you know your Machiavelli?
Oooh, darn those founding fathers and their communist “Constitution”!!!! Why did they even bother writing that piece of trash; they already had the King James Bible to work with!!!
Healthcare maybe?
I must be missing something. Why would you ask that question? According to the Center for Defense Information, the estimated cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan will reach $864 billion by the end of fiscal year 2009. What could we spend the money on? Healthcare? Education? The infrastructure? Job creation?
Beg: Where in the Constitution does it talk about Health Care? Education is of a state level. Infrastructure of what? You don’t think the War creates jobs?
You’re kidding, right? There’s all kinds of federal funding for education and the infrastructure. There should be more for the arts as well. I know you’re Jimmy Carter’s favorite poster, but come on.
Gee wonder why we haven’t been attacked since 9/11? You kind of answered your point there.
I have a magic stone in my front yard here in Pennsylvania that repels tigers! I know it has to work because I haven’t seen a tiger the entire time I’ve lived here.
We could have avoided being attacked on 9/11, too, if our Republican administration hadn’t ignored pretty much every warning that anyone tried to give them.
I wish I had a magic rock to push dumb a$$es off this board. (left or right). How many tigers you see on your lawn before you bought that rock? Does it also protect you from the people that would enter your house if you left it unlocked. (You know you paid for the lock and the key but maybe you shoulda spent that money on the homeless down the street.)
Won’t even get into 9/11. Clinton’s admin had just as much hand in that one as Bush’s.
Well, you know, except for the thousands of American service members that have been killed. I guess they don’t count in your book? Maybe the represent a sacrifice we make to Al Quaeda so they’ll leave us alone? Sort of a payment in American blood?
Mmmm… Blood.
What are you talking about? I was talking about defense spending (you know the stuff used to pay our soldiers and the stuff that allows us to cloth, feed, and equip our soldiers) and the guy says we don’t need it b/c we haven’t been attacked since 9/11. I was saying he proved my point by saying “We don’t need defense spending since we haven’t been attacked since 9/11.” Well DUH!!! That means defense spending is *cough* *cough* working.
I put minced rhubarb leaves in milk on my front fence every day to keep the elephants away. No ele[hant has been sighted within 100 miles of my house (~57,5N, 7.25W) since I started doing this.
See the flaw in your logic?
Question: How many elephants were near your yard before the rhubarb up?
That is the question you leave out. So I guess you’re saying a person with cancer does kemo, after kemo cancer is gone, did the Kemo really work? See the FLAW in your logic?
Even if one accepts your premise, that defense spending protects us from terrorists, I have a number of arguments to propose:
1) We are spending a lot more money preventing terrorist attacks than the damage those attacks would cost.
2) Defense spending is less cost effective than a combination of police work, intelligence, and international diplomacy would be.
3) Your premise is still flawed: I submit that Americans killed in Afghanistan and Iraq are still Americans Killed By Terrorism, and therefore your military spending has *not* prevented us from being attacked. It merely displaced those attacks to locations more convenient for Al Quaeda.
ILPB, how much did you spend on the military before 11 Sept? Did that rise significantly afterwards? No? If not, then I think we can say that military expenditure did not deter terrorists any more than rhubarb leaves scare elephants.
1) How do you measure civilian life in terms of dollars? If you can you’re a lot more cold hearted than I am.
2) Police work only works within our own borders. So how do you propose we use the intelligence in other countries, if we’re within our own borders? Please don’t say rely on diplomacy.
3) I believe your premise is flawed: Yes Americans are dying, however they are trained to fight enemies of the United States. It is their job to be over there. I applaud them for it, I honor them for it, and I appreciate their sacrafices, but they also understand what could be asked of them when they sign up for the job. They are preventing American civilians (except contractors) from being killed.
If you want I can caveate for you: We haven’t been attacked on American soil since 9/11, so the defense spending is helping.
When was the last attack before 9th Sept (not counting US citizens like the Unabomber)?
Well, I think the previous terrorist bombing on the WTC was in 1993.
I value an American servicemember’s life exactly the same as a civilian life. I don’t think feeding them into the meatgrinder so Al Quaeda leaves civilians alone is a morally acceptable decision.
Also, if you’ll spend any $$$ amount to save civilian lives, there are more cost effective ways right here at home: universal health care, food for the undernourished, anti smoking measures, and drunk driving prevention spring to mind immediately; together, those causes represent millions of dead Americans annually. That would be a lot more important to me than 2900, once, 8 years ago.
Police work works internationally, btw. It’s far from unheard of for our law enforcement agencies and intelligence agencies to work with local law enforcement, even in places like Pakistan and Afghanistan. Those nations were ready to work with us post 9/11, and before we started a war of choice in Iraq.
I never said that a service member’s life was worth more or less than a civilian’s. However as a former wearer of the uniform I understand what might have been needed of me, I understand that it is my duty to possibly lay down my life so that my countrymen who are not able or willing to defend themselves can live in peace and liberty.
I don’t even know where to begin on your party bag of other places to spend money. Universal Health Care is a crock. Both sides are throwing propaganda at it; millions die due to lack of health care a year (really where’s the numbers), all the old people will die if we do universal health care b/c the government won’t want to spend the money. Universal Health Care is not the best option, how about we stop all the frivulous law suits. Also where in the constitution does it say we can NAtionalize Health Care. Food for the undernourished, sounds like a charity thing to me, not a government thing. Anti-smoking, REALLY? If people want to smoke let them, or make it illegal, stop this in-between CRAP!! Possibly we could crack down on drunk driving, however progressives make it hard, b/c everytime there’s a law that’s “too” harsh it gets overturned due to the “cruel and unusual” punishment.
You don’t get terrorism do you? You think that if we just said “well we deserve 9/11″ the terrorist would just stop. We tried that in 93 WTC, the Embassy bombings, USS Cole, even Beruit, and how did that work out for us?
Yeah internationl cooperation works wonders for our Police. How long did it take to get Polansky (child rapist) back to the United States?
“millions die due to lack of health care a year (really where’s the numbers”
Actual numbers: 45,000 annually. {http://wwwdotreutersdotcom/article/healthNews/idUSTRE58G6W520090917}
“how about we stop all the frivulous law suits.”
Malpractice amounts to .04% of annual healthcare expenditures. Sorry, I don’t have the cite on that, but I’d welcome your counter cite.
“Food for the undernourished, sounds like a charity thing to me, not a government thing.”
I don’t see how you can assert that any amount spent to defend Americans is justified in one sentence and then say “only against furriners” in the next. It seems inconsistent to me.
“You don’t get terrorism do you? You think that if we just said “well we deserve 9/11″ the terrorist would just stop. We tried that in 93 WTC, the Embassy bombings, USS Cole, even Beruit, and how did that work out for us? ”
I think it’s a dangerous world, and no matter how much money we spend, and no matter how many American service members and foreign people we kill, we will never be able to prevent all acts of terrorism, or aggression by foreign governments. We must use our resources a lot more wisely than we have; “International Terrorism” just isn’t as large a threat as our expenditures would indicate. Plus, killing muslim civilians just acts as a recruiting device for the extremists.
“Yeah internationl cooperation works wonders for our Police. How long did it take to get Polansky (child rapist) back to the United States?”
Oddly, it took just months from the time an LA prosecutor asked for help till the Swiss picked him up. It seems no prosecutor has been following up on the case for years. If the President and Congress had thrown their weight behind the request, France would have delivered him to us decades ago.
It’s funny that you should mention “paying some farmer not to raise crops.” Guess which Republican brought us that gem?
That’s right, Nixon.
Never said I was a Republican. Just saying where I wouldn’t want money to go.
I never said you were a Republican, either. However, you seemed to be under the false impression that they are somehow more fiscally responsible than Democrats. History proves otherwise. (Not that Democrats are exactly great in that regard. It’s kind of like being “smarter than Bush” – it’s not exactly a high bar.)
Neb: Bush wasn’t all that dumb (not a fan, but have to give credit where credit is due) he just couldn’t speak in public. Many people said that he was great in smaller settings, and actually more of a genuine person than most politicians.
I’ve never said Reps or Dems were more fiscally conservative, I just said there are things worth protesting. It just so happens that the proverbail straw that broke the proverbial camels back was a Democrat in office who happened to spend more in one month than his predecsessor did in 8 years. That’s all.
Actually, that’s something FDR did to help out with the great depression as well.
Just a fact check here. Not saying there’s any point to be proven by it.
Morons because it’s clear not even they know what they’re even protesting about, cowards because they’re terrified of actually having to defend their position and hide behind screaming blue murder and waving weapons about.
Some of them have even been waving placards proclaiming “No Taxation Without Representation” which, just like the above banner, is absolutely ass backwards to what they claim to be fighting for.
Your grammar, IT BURNS! (No insult intended, but seriously, what happened here?)
Cee: How is Air America and Bill Mahr treating you these days? You’re the first to spout and foam at the mouth about “Faux” News and Rush (I own the worst team in NFL) Limbaugh “listeners”, yet you drink the kool aid also. You have no idea what people are protesting. Also where has anyone “waved” a weapon about? Is carring a hand gun in a holster (PSST 2nd Amendment) “waving” a weapon?
Terrified of defending their position. I went to the White House during a Bush protest and ask someone, “What are you protesting?”
“Bush is a murderer, baby killer, and all for the oil.”
Me: Can you cite please.
Liberal (college student): B/c my professor told me so.
Me: What facts do you have?
Liberal: You’re a facist hawk. Don’t you see what he’s doing to our country? He’s killing us all. He’s destroying the planet.. ” and it went on for another five minutes, with more calling me a murderer, ignorant, etc etc etc…
The sad thing it was more the rule than the exception at most of the Anti-War/ Anti-Bush rallies in my area. I wouldn’t call the people morons and cowards, just idiots and misguided…. I kid I kid. Just b/c someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t make them a moron. What makes someone a moron is driving 50 MPH in a 65 zone in the left hand lane. THAT’s a moron. How are they cowards, b/c they stand up for themselves? Really I thought that was courage. You really can be a dumb a$$, intolerant tool sometimes CEE.
+1 interwebs
“I went to the White House during a Bush protest and ask someone…”
Yeah, right. Cool story, bro.
Actually, based on your comments you’re the ignorant one here.
“Many of Obama’s advisers have been deemed czars because there is nothing controlling their actions”
These types of advisors have been selected, some without Sendate confirmation, and have been called “czars” since the first one was appointed by Nixon. So, how’s about YOU start reading something more substantial and unbiased than Rush’s blog.
Oops. It’s “Senate” not “Sendate”.
oh come on, the problem with all you americans is that you can’t take a joke. maybe that’s why you all hate each other.
Nope, we just hate YOU, Lindsay, not each other.
lol you don’t even know me. maybe I’m a very nice person.
Not if you’re going to make jingoist, sweeping generalizations. That makes you an ass-hat, not a nice person. If you were joking than you need to indicate it somehow.
I’m sorry, and you’re not doing that? all I’m saying is, that from my removed point of view, that it looks like alot of americans can’t get over their political orientations to get a good chuckle out of something.
I’m sorry if I offended you.
I haven’t made sweeping, jingoist generalizations. Please show me where I did that. And I wasn’t offended, merely pointing out the wrong-headed assumptions in your post.
-posts a big sign and sits behind a troll booth, sign reads: FREE TROLL HUGS-
you said that you hated me, and that I had an ass for a hat. I’m sorry, but that sounds like you were offended.
“So, how’s about YOU start reading something more substantial and unbiased than Rush’s blog.” <– and that sounds kinda like an assumption there.
““So, how’s about YOU start reading something more substantial and unbiased than Rush’s blog.” <– and that sounds kinda like an assumption there."
This was not aimed at you. It was a response back to another comment, not yours. And it was a retort to a "you durty liburls don't know anything" post.
I was not offended but I do hate it when trolls post stupid, jingoist sh*t like "typical stupid American". It doesn't contribute anything, it pisses people off and it's stupid. Your comment read like one of those posts. I reacted in anger. Not my best moment (I am cranky and sleep deprived, sorry). *Hands guilt cookie to lindsay*
no american hate here, except maybe for your news media (though I must admit it is, at times, hilarious!)
Yeah…hilarious. And scary. You have good reason to hate it. Many of us do too.
free hugs! i’m in! how much?
can’t watch this video without smiling
“-posts a big sign and sits behind a troll booth, sign reads: FREE TROLL HUGS-”
Who is Troll Hugs, and why is he in jail?
We don’t all hate each other. Just some friendly debating. You just see the worst parts of it.
And, I’d say the majority of the people here would say they’re nice. That doesn’t mean we agree.
it’s on thing to not agree. it’s another thing to state that you hate someone. (I’m not saying that you did, haha, just pointing out other ppls comments)
I’d like to point out that I do not, in fact, have an ass for a hat, it is my cat, coda.
I hate Michael Moore. I also hate Rush Limbaugh. Ahh the duality of man.
thing is, from your outsider view point you’re seeing the loud minorities which has a lot more hate and intolerance than the general public.
Politics is still one of those things that’s iffy to talk about in polite company. those that get over that to comment on the internet have some very strong opinions.
I don’t really know anyone here, so I wouldn’t say I hate any of them. In fact, I wouldn’t really say I hate anyone at this point. Though, there are a lot of people I really don’t care for, I wouldn’t wish them ill or dead.
Ass-hat wasn’t my comment. I’ve never used that term. However, I like the comeback.
lol I know it wasn’t you, I was defending the honor and dignity of my head.
I’ve known alot of americans, and yes, for the most part they are good people (well, as good as any of us I guess), the media just skewers the view alot sometimes.
I hate everybody. There, I said it.
i love you rando
Aw, that’s so sweet, wallFly. Shut up.
Rando and I REALLY hate each other… if you don’t believe me go check out our “epic non-linear bash fest” on each other in the Ted Kennedy lol.
I still haven’t forgiven you for what you didn’t actually say to me.
Keep F*ckin that chicken!
Touche, Maxwell, touche. Okay, enough of this nonsense. I’m going to bed.
Indeed! And my shift is ending, “I’m going to go home to sleep with my wife!”
“Boss- I need off tonight! Why? My wife is gonna get pregnant and I need to be there! when it happens”
Citing half of what I said does not make what you say correct. How about the rest of that comment, “And, some of them are/were self avowed communists.” And, I didn’t say that there weren’t people deemed czars before. I just stated that many of his advisers have been deemed czars.
Nice try though. I do like how you dodge the fact that some are self avowed communists. You don’t really want to tackle that one, do you?
“You don’t really want to tackle that one, do you?”
How nice of you to make all these decisions for me in terms of what I’m willing to tackle or not. I’m so glad I don’t have to do any thinking now that I have you do it for me….
I honestly couldn’t care any less about their Communist or non-Communist leanings/self-assertions. It doesn’t matter to me at all. Your wording of the facts is wrong. You’re implying with the phrasing of your sentence as though Obama’s advisors are the first to be “deemed” czars.
who cares? it’s all just spin anyways. liberal, conservative, all of it is just getting in the way of making a system that actually works for everyone!
It’s a distraction, so that the people in power can get away with pushing or blocking anything they want. Like a big, fake, reality tv show. The real issues get buried cause everyone is to busy calling everyone else a communist, facist, religious fanatic, or bigot.
Thank you. I think there is hope for you, lindsay.
I’m a canadian! we’re all jaded against politics right now. lol
We feel your pain..
and feel other parts of you…
really? we’re facing the possibility of a 3rd federal election in the span of 3 and half years. I’m at the point where I just want to go scream “I don’t care who’s in power! just stop fighting and do your damn job!” at parliament.
no one has the majority, so they have to form coalitions to get anything done, but they can’t for coalitions cause they’re too busy name calling and trying to one up each other.
and the less people that vote, the more the power the conservatives get. and I just can’t stomach stephen harper anymore. not that we really have any better choice right now…..
we can loan you joe biden, he’s not really doing anything
Even though I live in Australia, I am American but I can appreciate what you say about coalitions. However, that is one of the benefits of NOT having a two party system. When a coalition has the majority, it means that the other members of the coalition get a voice as well. Take for example the Greens. Normally they would be like a voice crying in the wilderness. But if they become part of a coalition, they have a better chance of at least getting their agenda considered.
If you want Kevin Rudd I’d be more than happy to give him to you!!
at least with biden we’d get a few more gaffs lol
don’t get me wrong, I’d never switch to an american style 2 party system. I just have voter fatigue right now lol
I’ll trade ANYONE for Stelmach right now though. the premier of my province(Alberta) is managing to piss away anything we accomplished during our boom years, and messing up our health care system to boot!
Is he Labour (or whatever the equivalent is in Canada)?
Progressive Conservative. AKA owned by the oil companies. He’s trying to make it harder to even protest the oil sands right now. And his caucus is attempting to shut down hundreds of beds in the mental ward of alberta hospital in edmonton. where are those people supposed to go? no one in any of the hospitals agrees with it, and all it’s going to do is push people who can’t take care of themselves on to the street.
Ouch!
Yeah, sounds like you guys are having some real issues with the conservatives. We have something silimar but not on that grand a scale, but it’s with the Labour Party (aka American style Liberals).
We’ll trade you Biden for a parliament member to be named later, a 1st round pick in the 2010 draft, and the Sedin twins (you’re Canadian, so you’d better know who they are).
I don’t know…Rando, don’t you think future Biden LOLs are worth more? Although…the Sedin twins…oh what we accomplish with the Sedin twins.
“we can loan you joe biden, he’s not really doing anything”
oh hell no, we need to keep him! he’s like a storm, the quieter he is now, the sillier he’ll be soon, we must hold out! for the sake of SNL!
**starts chanting “Biden, Biden, Biden, you the man, if you can’t do it, we’re gonna have to get Quuuuaaayle back**
(yah, i suck at doing the wave, too)
You’re a Hawks fan. You guys have already plundered the league of good players. All the Blues signed during the offseason was a back up goalie. WE NEED THOSE TWINS!!!
“He’s trying to make it harder to even protest the oil sands right now.”
What did the oil sands ever do to you?
I do have to agree with you there. It’s all like a big magic trick. They show you the hand they want you to focus on, but it’s the other hand where all of the action’s happening.
LOL, you’re cracking me up. And, you say the people on the right are ignorant and don’t pay attention to history.
And, I’m not implying anything. I flat out said that many of Obama’s advisors have been deemed czars. Is it, or is it not true? How is the wording wrong?
“And, you say the people on the right are ignorant and don’t pay attention to history”
Show me where I said that.
You like putting words in my mouth, I thought I’d try it too. I got that sentence from the leftists on this page, and from their playbook in general. Since you like to quote from it, I figured it was the next step. I didn’t realize you were going out of order.
“Since you like to quote from it, I figured it was the next step. I didn’t realize you were going out of order.”
a) I am not a “leftie” as some of your ilk like to classify people who don’t agree with your ideas.
b) I do not need to quote any body’s “playbook”; I have all of history to draw on.
Good day.
It is not “left” anymore…it is progressive…duh..get it right
What are they progressing towards? They really prefer not to say. *wink*
We’re progressing towards Peter Noone taking all of your money, don’t you remember?
I’m astounded at the psychic powers that allow you to “know” what was meant, independent of anything in the actual image.
How come communists are always “avowed” or “self avowed” and never just communists, whereas capitalists are just capitalists? And for that matter, how come atheists are always “self-described,” or people “consider themselves” atheists, whereas Christians are just Christians?
And what’s up with this airline food?
You actually paid for airline food. You are a sucker.
Because capitalists don’t mind being capitalists. But, if it makes you feel better, some of Obama’s advisors are communists. I put in self avowed so that it’s not just me calling them that. They call themselves it. It cuts out a lot of the “cite it” crap or me having to prove where I got my “right wing crackpot” theories. I call them communists because they call themselves communists. And yes, that is still a bad thing.
It doesn’t have to be. Heh.
Awww, did teh ebul communists skare yoo? I’m sowwy to heer dat. Heer, hab sum warm milk and go bak to sweep…
Fearful moron…
*slips the Communist Manifesto* into backwardthinking’s bed before he gets there. hehehehehehe
No, they were deemed czars, because that’s what they’ve been called since (at least) Reagan’s time. It has nothing to do with Obama, and nothing to do with communism.
Also, name more than one of them (some would imply plural) that are/were self avowed communists.
Read the news…. there is a non-null intersection between the set of admitted Communists and the set of people appointed by Obama as Czars.
I still don’t see any names.
They’re at the top of the post on the left of the text box. Sometimes they’re blue, that means there’s a link! Look for it right above the post time.
Wise guy, eh? Why, I oughta!!!
Non-null implies one. I know of one. I asked for more than one. You provided zero names and a statement that implies you only know of one.
Fail.
sns: HHMMM another liberal uninformed about conservatism. Why don’t you put down your latte, Communist Manifesto, and get a job? (For those actually cool liberals I was being heavily sarcastic to see if sns would actually get the point generalizations are for in the great words of Bugs Bunny “Maroons”.)
maroon is a wonderful word…bitter troll will start useing it more often-nods-
A tip for the future: sarcasm doesn’t work well in printed text. You should put a silly smiley (
) or “/sarcasm” at the end.
ILPB: Another conservative who is uninformed about liberalism. Surely you should know by now the only latté we drink is a SOY latté. GAH! Way to prove your ignorance!
A frothy soy latte, I believe.
Damn straight!
Don’t forget that it has to be sweetened by the tears of Glenn Beck.
Ohdamnyou now you made me think of body fluids that could be whipped to a froth to top coffe with and … EWWWW. ;p
Ew ick ick ick ick ick!!!!!
WHY, Danbala????? WHY??????????
*goes to take a shower of shame, fully clothed*
To help cleanse your brain, I will share with you what I have currently stuck on my poor synapses…
“When there’s something straaaange …
In the neighbourhood …
Who you gonna call?
GHOSTBUSTERS!“
It’s no help. THe opening chorus of “Carry On My Wayward Son” is an earwig with no cure.
*goes off to cry……….and sing a cappella*
I always end up exorcising any unwanted interal music with Schubert’s Ouverture to Rosamunde. I’m not sure it’s always better, but at least it takes no brain capacity from me. :p
Oh now it’s stuck in my head too. D’OH!
The really horrible thing is that it was bloody *NIXON* who started the whole thing of appointing qualified people to Executive Branch posts with authority over federal-level task forces focusing on single issues, and the media named them Czars WAY back then.
Bush created several new Czars of various things, such as the Terrorism Czar. Not a single comment out of these gits over THAT one.
Actually I remember talking about it a few lol’s back. The general concern was that while the idea of them is stupid there has never been such a concern over how much influence they have now. You make a good point, I just thought I’d say play nice and people will respond nicely.
The big difference is the sheer number of “Czars” appointed so early in the term, bypassing any confirmation process.
*hands dhydar a cookie*
And of course, the first official who was publicly referred to as a “czar” was conservative favorite William “I’ll write a book about virtue while blowing millions at the casinos and getting spanked (so i’ve heard) by a dominatrix” Bennett during his tenure as the head of the Office of National Drug Control Policy…he was “The Drug Czar”
I wish I was a drug Czar…
I’ll settle for being O.T.C. Drug Czar. I can make recommendations regarding the use of Advil and Pepto-Bismol. I get a bigass office and a staff and a car, right?
And you get spanked….bonus!!!!!!
Well, yeah. What would be the point otherwise?
But, if you look closely, there might be some wit in the message.
A ‘commissar’ is a title for Communist party functionaries used in the early half of the Soviet Union. And with the autocratic attitude of Czarist Russia, a ‘Commie Czar’ does sound half-about witty.
But, given the fact that the protest is as much an exercise in ignorance, the slogan is all they can take credit for.
Pot…kettle…
Cucumber…pickle…
Dude, a pickle is way better than a lowly cucumber.
(Cucumber + Vinegar) x Time = Pickle!
Maths is fun!
Any math where the final answer is pickle is good math!
You’re beginning to pull a passable imitation of a lost puppy…
What? *pokes with stick* Make sense.
Learn to read, emo kid. I have better things to do than to translate everything into Simple English for you.
I’m not even sure how you’re supposed to read that sign…
“Who commie are the czars?” “Who are commie the czars?” “Who are the commie czars?”
Fiddle sticks.
I agree. It is not very catchy. It could have been something like “Obama lied….people died!!” or something like that.
Or Blood for the Blood Czar! Skulls for the Skull House! Souls for Obama!
Somebody’s been playing too much Warhammer, I see.
there is no such thing as too much warhammer (unless you play tau you cheating ass)
Warhammer is a GAME? The Warhammer I know is a *beer*.
To each his own, Mr Jenkins.
wha? There’s a Warhammer BEER? Fantastic! I must find this legendary substance
LOL, warcraft all t3h way!
(I know, I’m a gigantic nerd… but I can’t help myself!)
Warhammer is nicer than Warcraft.
*nods sagely*
W/E, I’ve been playing Halo lately, WoW gets boring once you reach 80 and get your epic flyer…
Flag taken…flag dropped…flag taken…flag dropped…flag taken…flag…
OH WOULD YOU STOP DROPPING THE FVCKING FLAG ALREADY!!!!
That’s why you go for the 29 shammy twink. Get flag, drink untouchable thingie, ghost wofl, run, cap. ;p Almost always works.
Still better than… no, wait. OVERTIME OVER TIME OVER-TIME OVEEEEEERTIIIIIIIME! is vastly superior AND is actually awesome.
and far more civilized.. have you seen the condition of south shore these days? atrocious
Where were all you conspiracy theorists when GW had 47 “czars”.
Come on people. “Czar” is just a nickname for other job titles, ie the Drug Czar is actually Director National Drug Control Policy (Senate confirmed). These people are mostly Senate confirmed. Yes, some are appointed. Karl Rove was appointed by GW as Chief Domestic Policy Coordinator, Assistant to the President and Senior Advisor to the President, White House Deputy Chief of Staff but was known as his Domestic Policy Czar (NOT Senate confirmed).
Perhaps our President should create one more position; Foil Hat Czar – Director of Conspiracy Theory Nutjob Control.
The problem is not with the “czars” in general. We all know you need to have advisors. The problem is with the poor job of vetting the Not Senate Confirmed czars. And if you are going to blast the right about the so called hypocracy, what happend with all the reporting on the poorly run VA, the death count for soldiers in Iraq and Afganistan (sp?)? Given the recent factual data about at least two of the appointed czars, I don’t think it should be titled as a “conspiracy”. Of course people who don’t want to look at the facts often tend towards using that word.
And MY point is that Bush had MORE “czars” than anyone else, most of them NOT senate confirmed, but nobody screamed about it. Karl Rove was teh real eebil. And further, the right is full of hypocrisy.
Stop saying Karl Rove, I’ll have nightmares.
LOOK OUT KARL ROVE IS BEHIND YOU
Damn you. Now this requires the heavier stuff.
*goes to the kitchen and brings out the bottle of whisky*
*puts on Karl Rove mask and lurks in the shadows, waiting for Danbala to get back from the kitchen*
*calls Danbala*
“Hi, it’s Karl Rove. What’s your favorite scary movie?”
You people are as evil as he is, I am sure of that now.
karl rove was playing with that bottle
NOOOOoooOOOOoOOoOOOOO!!!
*does a bad L. Skywalker impression*
That’s not true! That’s IMPOSSIBLE!!!!
Yes L. karl Rove is your Father! koookaaakoookaaaa
“And MY point is that Bush had MORE “czars” than anyone else, most of them NOT senate confirmed, but nobody screamed about it”
Fail
From what I can find on the internet, he had 36 “czar” positions of which 21 were confirmed by the senate.
And here’s YOUR fail award.
{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._executive_branch_czars}
Count ‘em and weep. I did.
here, have a tissue [kleenex]
it’s ok, keep the whole box, i don’t mind, not at all, you look like you’ll need them
Ivan, are you saying the left isn’t full of hypocrisy?
Nope. But I AM saying the right is ALOT better at it.
both sides are full of decent people and a few hypocrips who are really loud and crazy.
the crazy people seek to make the other people in their respective party just as crazy or sound just as crazy, so they feel less crazy and more correct.
Then you sir, are wrong. Both sides are full of stinky rotten defecation.
we talking bout someone’s butt cheeks?
Butt cheeks WOULD be a good description of the 2 dominant political parties of today….
oh bitter troll was talking more about the people they say they represent, not the parties.
If you’ll read my response, you will see that I was NOT denying that the left has it’s share of hypocrites. I was stating that the right does a better job of it.
See, you said “Are you saying the left isn’t full of hypocrites” and I said “Nope, not denying that”. Don’t try to start a fight with me.
@ Semperfidd, Question… Isn’t it more important to have the advisors out in the open, regardless of confirmation, than to have them in the background? I can discuss an example, if you like, but the at’s my question.
No no — clearly this is a reference to Falco’s 1982 hit, “Der Commie Czar”. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GmkjnL4EYw
Great minds think alike–that song IMMEDIATELY started playing in my head!
Tense fail.
If the sign read “Who were the Commie Czars?”, (past tense) then the LoL-maker would have a valid point.
But alas, it reads “Who are the Commie Czars?” (present tense), so the LoL-maker’s point is the top of their head.
yow!
I don’t even understand this..
42
42 may be the answer, but what’s the question?
12
What’s 6 * 7? How many roads must a man walk down? No, don’t take the brain!
“Hey! That’s not bad!” Hitchhiker’s Guide FTW!
silly hoomans you cant have both the question and the answer, cause then you would be liveing in both sides of the ying yang. your simple hooman minds cant understand it and you would explode into a rainbow of skittles
I LIKE SKITTLES! OM NOM NOM!
OMG SKITTLES!!!!!!!!!!1111!!11!!!!!!!
*eats handfuls of Skittles at a time*
5 minutes later…
*goes into sugar shock and all teeth fall out*
Yay tooth fairy dollars!
I’m a grown up. I don’t get money for losing my teeth. I have to pay it out the ass to the fvcking dentist.
That’s only because you don’t believe.
Wait…what? Humans taste like skittles???
no silly hooman…..skittles taste like HOOMAN
the green skittles are people!!
*finds a human to nom*
Uh…no.
wrong czars, fool. they’re not referencing Russian Czars, they’re referencing all of the czars (that is actually their title) that Obama is appointing.
No, that is not their actual titles. Moron.
what a maroon
DUCK SEASON, FIRE!!!
duck + seasoning + fire = dinner
Ooh, now I’m hungry!
WHERE? grabs shotgun, scans sky
*dog laughs at bad fairie*
*fruitlessly tries to shoot Rando, but only succeeds in using up his shots*
hah, dog gets buck shot in butt & stops laughing, bad fairie flashes her marksman trophies at rando :p~~~
That’s how Duck Hunt should have been.
he’s acting like a baboon..
macaroon
racoon
spitoon
looney toon
TOOOOO SOOOOOOOOOOOON!!!!!!!11!!ELEBENTY!!
calm down, lets go to the saloon
just don’t spit in the bassoon
Here comes the full moon
All these pun runs are always such a boon.
Gah! Too…much…stupid!!! *headdesk headdesk headdesk*
clearly the talking cats are photoshopped. cause cats cant really talk
Really? Whoa. I need to lay off the drugs.
Or you need to be taking more…
Eh, I figure things are goofy enough in my head as it is. I don’t need to distort things any more than they already are.
As has been pointed out elsewhere, wingnuts and Yellow Elephants didn’t get their asses bunged up over Reagan and Bush czars, which far outnumber per administration Obama’s appointments.
But you know: WHEN OUR PARTY DOES IT, IT’S OKAY
Legislative, executive, judiciary and czars. The four pillars of government. It’s in very small print on the back of the constitution. The role of czars is to get paid stacks of money and produce ass-wipingly boring reports that nobody ever reads. A benefit of making people czars is that it takes them out of positions where they can do any real damage to the country.
DON’T TURN AROUND.
youtube.com/watch?v=8RYo0JpT410
Its a play on words.
We call them Czars, which is a title of supreme nobility.
The Soviets had Commissars – Officials who had little political experience and who were given great amounts of power outside of the normal government channels and answerable only to the Soviet leader.
An unbiased observer (I am a democrat btw, or was…) will note that we now have a very similar system. Since they call Obama a commie (he’s not, he’s a corporatist just like Bush!), they are calling them Commie Czars.
Actually a pretty clever sign, but where were these people when Bush was bending over Amerika?
where were they? at the 200 gallon jug of bush’s koolaid
Am I the only person who reads this like “Who are Commie the… Cigars”?
Yes. Yes you are.
While it is true that the Russian Czars were not communists, the ones being appointed to the administration are flat-out marxists and communists. Thus, the sign is accurate for the current administration
About the czar/tsar thing…
“Tsar or czar[1] (Bulgarian цар, Russian: царь (help·info), Ukrainian: цар, in Serbian: цар, in scientific transliteration respectively car’ and car), occasionally spelled csar or Tzar in English, is a Slavic term with Bulgarian origins used to designate certain monarchs.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar#Russia
Here “tsar” and “czar” are used interchangeably for Russian leaders.
Yes, thanks, we’ve covered that.
hahaha typical american
hahaha typical non-American
The poster in the picture is refferring to the current, president-appointed, American Czars, not the pre-soviet Tsars. The “Czars” we have now possess a large amount of power, yet only answer to the president, not congress.
Do not feed the trolls!!! Stop it right now!
But, if I don’t feed them, how will us troll-eaters survive? We have to think of the big picture here.
Think of the needs of Trolliculture?
oh yeah, Seagull is troll’d hard
I don’t think the sign-holders are making a statement that the Czars were Communists…
I think they are simply taking two Russia-related terms and using them to make a statement about the current presidential administration.
Maybe they meant Commisar.
Wow this must be some OTHER Van Jones. Not the guy who advised teh president. Silly me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZYPZP14XWY
Wait…I’m working on your foil hat. You do know that video has NOTHING to do with communism? It was about saving our planet, and he referenced some things about the civil rights movement of the mid 1960’s. But you don’t care anything about that, do you? You just want to help illustrate the buzz-words that you wingnuts SO love! Go piss up a rope, troll.
Wow. The idea that you find that somehow threatening baffles me. AAAAGGGGHHHH THE GREEN JOBS CZAR WANTS TO SEE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVANCES NOOOOOOOOEEEEEZZZZ!!!!!elebenty.
Oh noes, that video implies that the upshot of his appointment might be just as horrible as the end of apartheid in America!
There are too many unelected advisors in government. The pres should send in someone to find out what they’re all doing and sack the ones who aren’t doing anything. A czar czar.
Czar Czar Binks?
Mesa your humble servant.
Where were they when Bush was in office? Being outraged. Only silently. What changed? The fact that Obama, and the current Government as a whole, are not doing their jobs.
And the post says “Right-Wing Protesters.” This is inaccurate. At these protests, I am assuming this was taken at a teaparty (But please correct me if I’m wrong), there were just as many outraged Democrats.
Really? Outraged democrats calling their own elected president a commie? That would be awkward at the next left-wing conspiracy meeting, now wouldn’t it?
Aremis
Right wingers never let the facts get in the way of a good protest.
“Tsar” and “Czar” are interchangable English spellings of the old Russian monarchs aren’t they? That’s what my History teacher told me.
Anyway, that IS probably what they mean by the sign. Czar=Russia around THAT period, Russia around THAT period=Commies to them.
*sigh* what a bi”czar” sight to see.
You’re missing the obvious pun here, folks.
Commie Czars = Commissars (which came in both Communist and pre-communist varieties – nearly all corrupt).
Appointed political hacks with little qualifications for their jobs, and a license to abuse their power.
And, it doesn’t help that some of Obama’s appointees DO have communist ties.
Oh, just STFU already. I’m SO tired of refuting these lies and having the refutations ignored. Typical right-wing whack-job.
To expand a little on Basara’s point:
The phrase “commie czar” is obviously a play on words: a reference to the far left political leanings (“commie”) of President Obama’s special advisors (“czars”), as well as an allusion to the title of commissar (Russian: комиссар) that was held by certain communist political operatives in the government and military during the Bolshevik and Soviet eras in Russia.
Here’s the Wikipedia article on the subject. It’s a little sketchy, but it gets the point across.
I just wanna say, I love you guys. All of you.
If I had to do this job with out such long comment boards to read, I’m sure I would have gone insane years ago.
We aim to please.
:O Should there be a Nation fallowing thy name?
Not so simple.
Few would remember, but there were two revolutions in 1917. The first was a democratic revolution. Russia ceased to be Empire and became Republic. Few months later Bolsheviks seized the power in a coup. Democracy was over. That was the second one.
Gradually, mainly under Stalin, a new totalitarian system was set up which was pretty much like rule of a Czar, an absolute ruler, much like rule of Ivan the Terrible.
So, while Let purists of the Socialist theory might object, in fact the slogan about “Commie Czars” is not incorrect.
God I love when people who know nothing of history or science argue…what are you all, like 17 or something?
When loaded words become more influential to protestors than facts, it’s time we start seriously thinking about changing some stuff.