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A dangerous, dirty, exhausting job with no medals, no parades, no GI bill or VA hospitals.  Thanks, guys.

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  1. Second says:

    Absolutely first!

    • AC says:

      Rābi’a Balkhĩ (Persian: رابعه بلخی), also called as Rābi’ah bint Ka’b Quzdārī (in Persian: رابعه قزداری) , or just as Rabe’ah was most likely the first poetess in the History of Persian Poetry. She was born and died in Balkh, Khorasan, a city today in northern Afghanistan. The exact dates of her birth and death are unknown. But some evidences indicate she lived during the same period that Rudaki, the Father of Persian Poetry, was a court poet to Nasr II of Samanid (914-943).

      Her name and biography appear in Jami’s Nafahat-ol-Uns, Attar’s Mathnaviyat and Aufi’s Lubab ul-Albab. She was one of the first Afghan/Persian poets who wrote in modern Persian (Dari). Her father, Kaab, was a governor; when Kaab died, his son Haares, brother of Rabe’eh, became the governor. Haares had a Turkish slave named Baktash, with whom Rabe’eh was secretly in love. At a court party, Haares heard Rabe’eh’s secret. He imprisoned Baktash in a well, cut the jugular vein of Rabe’eh and imprisoned her in a bathroom. She wrote her final poems with her blood on the wall of the bathroom until she died. Baktash escaped the well, and as soon as got the news about Rabe’eh, he went to the governor’s office and assassinated Haares. He then committed suicide.

  2. Corbin says:

    That’s not true….. coal miners get WAY more health benefits…. and you’re a mong if you said “i’m first”

  3. lol says:

    Yeah, those military guys get all the breaks. What’s the mortality rate for an average fire fighter?

    What a cunt!

    • Ranger0402 says:

      I know, right?

      • 561Driver says:

        Actually, last year, in terms of percentages, it was more dangerous to be a wildland firefighter than it was to be on military deployment in Afghanistan and Iraq. 38 of my brothers and sisters gave their lives fighting fires, show due respect.

        • Charlie Foxtrot (Floyd Extrodinaire) says:

          Which I certainly do — the thing about the guys and gals who risk their lives in service of others is that they risk their lives in service of others and don’t ask for glory — quiet professionalism is their reward. The least that we who do not currently stand in the face of adversity can do is respect all of them in their chosen profession, I know that I do.

        • Mcdonaldsfan says:

          Woah you had 38 brothers and sisters? Big family, and they all died, that sucks.

        • Ranger0402 says:

          Firefighters do have my respect. I take issue with a caption that implies that the military is a kush job with tons of benefits.

          • tehgrim says:

            if its so kush, the captioner can take my spot in iraq

            • No says:

              You guys don’t get it. The caption is not saying the military have it easier. The caption says firefighters and soldiers have it equally bad, yet firefighters don’t get as much recognition as soldiers.

              • Ranger0402 says:

                I do get it. But you’re wrong if you think firefighters and soldiers have it EQUALLY bad. Maybe compared to the Fobbits, they do, but the horror stories accumulated over a career of firefighting amount to a week as an infantryman in a combat zone.

                Firefighters have a tough job and have my respect, but if you think they’re on par with doing multiple year-long tours in a frontline combat unit, all I can say is, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

                • jinny_1909 says:

                  But not every soldier gets to see combat, whereas every firefighter does.
                  Having many family members in both line of work, there are times when the firefighters have it rougher. Considering how different the jobs are, it’s fairly impossible to compare the two. It’s like comparing ice hockey to football. You get more knee injuries in football, but lose more teeth in hockey ^.^
                  Either way, firefighters see things that would scar most people. They don’t just fight fires.

                  • Charlie Foxtrot (Floyd Extrodinaire) says:

                    Comparing the jobs is like apples and oranges. Soldiers/sailors/airmen/marines and cops and firefighters ALL serve a profession that have their own dangers, all of those professions are comprised of people who knowingly face danger for something greater than themselves. Piting one against another is pointless and serves no purpose — dead is dead, whether killed by fire or fire.

              • segaphile says:

                BUT THESE ARE COALMINERS

                YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID

        • Finlayfox says:

          As a veteran… that was wounded in service to my country… I have to say, F*ck you.
          No disrespect to anyone that puts their life on the line to save others. We are brothers in arms and the person who does pay the ultimate price should get all the honor that deserves.
          Don’t cheapen anyone’s sacrifice by posting crap like this.

          • Hotshot says:

            And don’t cheapen the fact that I had to go through hell for the burns to my arm and never got a thank you. No one was putting you down. They were just saying us fire fighters deserve some recognition for what we do.

        • Jera says:

          Man, only a firefighter would be arrogant enough to say that their job is more dangerous than combat.

          Now, I know as a firefighter logic isn’t a big thing for you. But, I will break this down barney style in an attempt to overcome your intellectual short comings.

          Now, you claim 38 firefighters were killed last year. I will use your figures, 3.8% of the US population are firefighters. That means that 9 million people, going off of 2004 census figures, are firefighters in this country. Care to take a guess what that percentage is?

          Now, I will use last years count for this case, casuality in this instance refers to deaths only as trying to compare wounded would take too much effort and I am pretty sure even someone such as yourself could see how dumb it would be to compare a missing limb to a fat slob getting a heart attack going up two flights of stairs.

          Now, last year, in OEF the count was 155. Of that, the total combined force in Afghan alone was 47k at years end. Surely even you can see the difference there? Should I add in OIF too? Or would you like to continue to talk out of your ass?

          Also, I have been both a Marine, proud of that, and Firefighter, ashamed of that, so I am very capable of not only speaking from a subjective standpoint but also a factual one. The numbers don’t add up and having done both, the Firesiege of 03 and Marine crap. The stress is nowhere near the same and to say otherwise makes you a typical over paid and arrogant smoke chaser. It’s all good though, some people aren’t cut out for real jobs. ;)

          • Jera says:

            Add just to follow this up.

            If you want to add all of the armed forces the number would be 3 million. I know math might be hard at you but I shouldn’t have to explain how 3 million is less than 9 million; should I.?

            • Jera says:

              And finally at hotshot. lol. Yeah, second degree burns to your arm is so the same thing as losing said arm? How many friends have you lost in your time? I wonder what the number is for the average service member. My God, the arrogance of firefighters is astounding these days and reminds me of how leaving that leaper collony that is the fire service was the best choice I’ve ever made.

              And you know what firefighters get? The ability to be home every year and awesome pay, standard pay in So Cal is 90K a year, maybe if you went and got an education you’d get some of it too? Instead of working for the circus? The compensation that firefighters receive is far in excess of service members. Not to mention massive amounts of respect for a unskilled and uneducated profession.

              Here’s to busting the unions.

          • TexasFF says:

            9 million Firefighters?? What? According to the NFPA there are approximately 1.2 million firefighters in the US, and 103 LODD last year.

            If you’re going to make an asinine argument based on fact at least get your facts straight. Of those 1.2 mil firefighters there were 42k reported injuries, which is on the low end of the number that actually occur due to under-reporting of on the job injuries. Trying to say that all firefighters are “fat slobs” who can’t carry hose up two flights of stairs, and that thus it makes all firefighters inferior to military personnel is just plain stupid. Try talking to a firefighter who works in the bronx, or on skid row, or one who works in Detroit. I have the utmost respect for our men and women in the armed forces, but don’t belittle my brethren, our job is no cake walk and by calling it as such is a huge disrespect to those of us who serve our communities proudly and those who have made the ultimate sacrifice.

    • Hotshot says:

      First of all, thank you to whoever made this. It’s nice to finely have someone say thank you for what we do. We all appreciate it very much.

      Secondly, lol: next time you can spend 2 hours deployed in a shake and bake. Then tell those guys they aren’t heroes.

      • Jera says:

        They’re not. Go on a patrol for four days with two MREs. Than get back to me. Also, 72 hours bump and run with four 10k foot hoselays in that time period during the fire siege of 03.

      • Bamsham says:

        Yeah. I know I’d be thrilled to be thanked by someone turning civil service into a bitter pissing contest.

  4. Cullen says:

    Um, those are fire fighters, not coal miners.

    They actually have a pretty high mortality rate and it is a fairly dangerous job, although nothing compared to the military. And they’re rather better paid than the military Enlisted ranks are as well.

    Lots of firefighters I knew used it as a way to pay for school, and often had back-up from local National Guard and Reserve units if the fires got really bad. I did fire duty a couple of times while I was in the ANG.

    • PortlandMarkq says:

      I think “highly paid” is a matter of opinion. When I looked into firefighting a couple decades back, it was indeed a way to make a lot of money in just a few short months- twenty to thirty thousand dollars for five months work, around ‘89 or ‘90.

      However, this was for working nearly 120 hours per week every week from April or May through September. Not exactly easy money.

      • paws4thot says:

        To be fair Mark, the 120 hours was probably “on call” time, not actual firefighting and equipment maintenance duties, wasn’t it?

        Not taking anything away from them, but I know very few salaried jobs where 120 hours/week is anything other than gross duty hours before breaks.

        • PortlandMark says:

          No, if you weren’t fighting fires, you weren’t getting paid. In Oregon, at least, it’s an hourly job paid not too much above minimum wage. It’s only the massive overtime that allows an Oregon firefighter to make big money. It was 12 to 16 hours per day, seven days a week; tough hours!

          The regs may be different now, of course. I haven’t looked into it.

          • 561Driver says:

            I’ve spent three summers working for US Fish and Wildlife Service here in Oregon as a wildland firefighter. The most I’ve made was $16,000, and that was because I got a lot of fires. We work an average of 60 hours a week, and when on a fire we work 16 hours a day for 2 weeks straight, no breaks. I get paid about $14 and hour base for this.

            • PortlandMark says:

              Thanks for the clarification!

              • Charlie Foxtrot (Floyd Extrodinaire) says:

                Fires don’t take breaks, firefighters are always understrength, there is no way they can take a break — when you sign on, you work. That is the intensity. Firefighters, cops, EMTs, soldiers all haave jobs that may have downtime on occasion, but when they’re on there is no off until the duty is done, even when you’re sleeping, you’re still in the mode. There is no way to describe the intensity of any of those types of jobs.

      • Josh says:

        There are new rules about how much they can work. You can only work 2 weeks on the line and you have to go home; no exceptions. I think you can’t come back for at least 2 weeks. Lots of other rules. Better than a union and still makes good money if you save it and not blow it all on booze, cigs and the local hookers. Don’t have sex with the hookers in the kinds of towns you end up staying in when you’re firefighting.

        • PortlandMark says:

          “Don’t have sex with the hookers in the kinds of towns you end up staying in when you’re firefighting.”

          Lmao!

          (I thought firefigters got it for free just because women liked them a lot?)

        • 561Driver says:

          Actually, you do 2 weeks on, have a mandatory 2 days off, then can come back for 7 days. Some of the hotshot crews work 14 on, 2 off, all summer because they’ve signed releases. Which is why they have NO sense of humor, it’s been burned out of them.

        • Justin says:

          As a firefighter for 12 years for the USFS and BLM there are exceptions to the rules. If life or property are under threat then firefighters can break the rules as long as it is justifiable. I have worked several 36 hour shifts and worked for 21 days straight. The government tries to limit the days to 16 hours a day and 14 days of work with 2 days off but that isn’t always the case. You don’t have to go home either. The incident has the choice to keep you in the field for the 2 days off. The money isn’t that great either. I do the job because I love it but there are other ways I could make better money. I have a Bachelors degree as do most firefighters and we all could be making better money somewhere else but stay with this job.

      • maerynpearl says:

        They didnt say highly paid. Just better paid than the military Enlisted ranks. All the payment talk I saw after this comment proves it.

  5. Beppo says:

    People in the military can’t unionize.

  6. peg4x4 says:

    They look more like fire fighters?

  7. peg4x4 says:

    OOPSI,hit ? insted of. Sorry!

  8. me says:

    They are firefighters, and most have other jobs with the National Park Service, US Forest Service or Bureau of Land Management, or state agencies. They work fires on an as-needed basis. The ones who do most of the dangerous fire-fighting are the professional, full-time crews.

  9. Michael Karnerfors says:

    Assuming the guys in the pic are coal miners… who do we thank next? The tobacco farmers for their nice hard work? I know, I know… it isn’t the workers’ fault that someone of pushing a frigging bad product.

    Still… feel kind of strange to give thanks for helping create such a product, doesn’t it?

    Assuming they are firefighters however… then I agree. Firefighters, paramedics, police, doctors, nurses, etc… they heroes in so many ways, having saved countless of lives and made living for everyone better. Why don’t they get parades? Just wondering…

    /Son of a cop, married to a nurse

  10. dissimilitude says:

    A sanctimonious, preachy, snippy “lol” from EWAdams, with no laughs, funny, or potential for humor….must be Wednesday.

  11. Scartz says:

    I respect fire fighters and I do think they would sacrifice themselves in order to save others, but I don’t believe the cops would do the same for me…or at least not the ones in my country. Most of them are corrupted and lazy and I don’t trust them one bit! And I get angry when I hear that our brave cops deserve better wages and all sorts of advantages because they sacrifice for us. I haven’t heard of a single cop to sacrifice at least one finger for a citizen in the last 20 years or so…and trust me, the media is hungry for this kind of stories…

    • dissimilitude says:

      Getting shot and/or killed trying to get dangerous criminals off the streets doesn’t count? You have a very limited view of what “sacrificing for the citizens” means.

      • Charlie Foxtrot (Floyd Extrodinaire) says:

        Of course, Scartz, You COULD become a cop and do the right thing, So put your money where your mouth is and sign up tomorrow. What’s that? Cat got your tongue?

    • Scythelord says:

      If you are referring to US cops, you can shove your opinion of them up your nether regions. Corruption isn’t as bad as naysayers like to claim. I’ve seen more cops die in the line of duty trying to do good than I’ve ever heard of them doing wrong. You’re just more inclined to remember the bad about those that have authority.

      • VictoryNotVengeance says:

        I think corruption, protection, loyalty, and courage are all based on local experiance and are all relative. Cops are brave as fu(k. And some of them are useless. Depends on which one you have to deal with.

        • Sara says:

          So true, my Mother had allzhiemers and wandered away several times. The cops here could not have been nicer. They were kind and gentle with her and compassionate with my Dad who was frantic about losing her. There are bad seeds in any profession. But I think the good cops way outnumber the bad ones.

          • I tend to be wary of the police. Why? Because I’ve been pulled over a lot in the past (nothing in the last couple years. Getting arrested for missing a court date on a speeding ticket kinda scared me straight). But how many of us are wary of the police because of stuff that WE do wrong? As pissed off as I’ve been in the past at being pulled over, frankly I deserved it.

        • Of course it’s also possible to be brave as fvck and useless at the same time…the bravery has to be appropriately targeted!

          Overall, though, yes. The thing is, they’re human, not superheroes. Most of them are decent, reasonably hardworking people doing a job that, quite honestly, most of us don’t want to do. They don’t just “sit there writing tickets” or “eating donuts”, they’re dealing with the scudgy underside of humanity at its worst a lot of the time; people don’t generally call the cops when things are going well. It’s when they’ve been burglarized, when they’ve beaten the sh1t out of each other, when somebody’s injured, dying, or possibly been dead for a few days as their apartment’s not smelling too great. When they get drunk and decide to smack hell out of their kids, or run into the neighbor’s car. In my experience observing the cops I know, a steady diet of this tends to lead to a certain amount of cynicism, but they keep showing up for work and they keep doing their best to keep the crime in their area under some type of control, very often with limited equipment and dubious organization and supervision. Some of them burn out. Some get past it. And some (a minority, I think) become corrupt. It’s the ones who go bad that make the headlines, so that’s what a lot of people think about.

          • Sqwirk says:

            I’ve never encountered a cop who’s been anything other than courteous and helpful.

            To me anyway.

            • ay dios mio says:

              Obviously you’ve never been a skateboarder, in the U.S anyways.
              There are cops who do a great job and risk it all everyday, but many just sit around looking for easy things to bust. I wish media would highlight the real heroes more, but many simply perpetuate the stereotype.

              • PortlandMark says:

                I’m a short haired white man in nice clothes- police officers are always nice to me now!

                When I was a long-haired rebellious fvck at anti-Bush rallies, my experience was somewhat different.

      • PortlandMark says:

        ” I’ve seen more cops die in the line of duty”

        You have? How curious…

        Does anyone else think it’s weird that wherever you see a dead police officer, Scythelord is nearby? I’m beginning to think it’s more than just a coincidence!

    • I think an interesting question to ask yourself is how often you’re happy to see a cop vs. how often you’re not happy to see one. I usually feel like cops are out to give me a ticket or make my day crappy in some way.

      • ay dios mio says:

        That’s because in an attempt to end the stereotype once and for all, it is possible for an officer to be fired if he/she is seen with a doughnut.

      • Lol…side story here — we have a problem with people habitually driving too fast down our street (narrow, residential, cars parked to the side, lots of kids playing….they will hit 40 or 45 easy!). We were on the front porch recently and a guy drives past at a reasonable speed. I remarked on that, and said “You know, if I was a cop, I’d drive people nuts, because sometimes I would want to just pull over people who were driving well and compliment them on it and tell them to keep it up….and that would freak people out.”

        • They did that on Candid Camera once…the cop would pull over a driver and hand them a bouquet of roses.

          Another side story, my grandmother was pulled over once for driving too slowly and holding up traffic. It was a chronic problem apparently, because I also remember a story about how she was driving in the mountains and a guy behind her on a motorcycle gestured for her to pull over. When she did, he reached into the car, pulled out the keys, and threw them in the bushes.

          Poor granny.

      • I feel that way too. And from what I’ve heard, they like following you for a while just to keep you on your toes.

        • I’ll buy that. I was just on the freeway the other day, next to a cop going exactly the speed limit. Traffic was backed up for quite a ways but nobody wanted to pass the cop. I could just sense the power trip emanating from the cop car.

          • Well, admit it. It would be funny sometimes. :twisted:

            (Also, he can’t really win — if he was speeding like everyone else, then he gets “OMG the police don’t obey the traffic laws either but they give ME a ticket” from people, so it’s really a no-win for them if you think about it!)

  12. VictoryNotVengeance says:

    Fighting Against: Fire (oh yeah, its real)
    vs
    Fighting Against: “Terrorism” (a blanket term used to describe anyone without US interest at heart)

    Protecting: People, Buildings, and Belongings
    vs
    Protecting: “Freedom” (a blanket term used to descibe US interest)

    Although the individuals involved are both brave and equal as people. The organizations they belong to are quite different. Parades and medals are definitely in order.

    • Semperfidd says:

      What a piece of chit comment. I was wondering when you were going to start spewing your crap today…didn’t take you long. Please leave the county and go live in some “communist/socialist” meca.

      • VictoryNotVengeance says:

        Nope! I am here for you!

      • PortlandMark says:

        Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? Or did you just forget that “Patriotic”=/=”I like it every time we bomb a brown person”?

      • He said that firefighters deserve medals and you’re calling it a piece of shit comment? I may not always like VNV’s wording, but I think he nailed this one. I think our government definitely throws the word freedom around when it comes to US interests. I also think he made it very clear that he respects both American soldiers and firefighters’ bravery. What’s the problem? That he doubts the nation’s intentions?

        • VictoryNotVengeance says:

          If there was every any question, I will repeat. I doubt this nation’s intentions.

        • Charlie Foxtrot (Floyd Extrodinaire) says:

          Sorry Rando, that’s not what he said. You (& the other guy) are displacing the word government with soldier. We are the government. Soldiers execute the policy “we” select. Funny thing, democratic republics, “we” have a process to select people to make policy, then point fingers at those who carry out our policies.

      • Charlie Foxtrot (Floyd Extrodinaire) says:

        SemperFi — why do you talk to this guy?

    • Semperfidd says:

      And don’t forget that alot of those “brave as fu(k cops” you are praising are veterans.

    • Danbala says:

      I seriously, seriously think people who say “freedom is the only thing that counts, I will sooner die than lose any freedom” has lost a wee bit of track of reality. Freedom is only worth something while you’re a live. Working in the military, choosing (the reasoning behind this to be debated in some other place) to substitute your life for a vague idea of freedom – in a pretty capitalistically defined sense – is really, really idealistic, but I’d rather wake up unfree in an unburned bedroom tomorrow than not wake up in an infinitely free pile of ash.

      I’m not really trying to make a point – just putting a leeeeetle fuel on the fire. No gas or nuffin, just a little twig poked in from the side…

  13. Doc says:

    I was told not to thank people for doing a job that they are paid to do.

    • PortlandMarkq says:

      I completely disagree. One should always thank people for doing their job well… unless, of course, their job involves doing harm to you. Then, feel free to be an ungrateful cretin.

      What, are you charged $$$ every time you thank someone? Come on, cut loose with some gratitude. It costs you nothing and helps spread happiness around.

      (I bet you’re a lousy tipper!)

    • Dhoti says:

      “Why tip someone for a job I’m capable of doing myself? I can deliver food. I can drive a taxi. I can, and do, cut my own hair. I did, however, tip my urologist, because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones.”

    • wallFly says:

      i can’t tell if you’re serious or just messing around (i hope the latter)

    • You sound like Mr. White:

      Hey, I’m very sorry that the government taxes their tips. That’s fvcked up. But that ain’t my fault. it would appear that waitresses are just one of the many groups the government fvcks in the ass on a regular basis. You show me a paper says the government shouldn’t do that, I’ll sign it. Put it to a vote, I’ll vote for it. But what I won’t do
      is play ball. And this non-college bullsh!t you’re telling me, I got two words for that: “Learn to fvckin type.” Cause if you’re expecting me to help out with the rent, you’re in for a big fvckin surprise.

    • Firefighter says:

      I accept your thank you. As a firefighter for the USFS and BLM for 12 years I have specialized in protecting human lives and communities. Legally the job description for the USFS and BLM only requires the protection of federal land. Once the fire hits private property it can be considered not our jurisdiction. We protect lives and property because we want to and feel it is our duty and its the thank you from people like you help.

  14. technogoddess says:

    Coal miner = FAIL. Relevance = FAIL. WTF = WIN!

  15. Ric says:

    Christ, i remember when sites like this used to be fun and there for a laugh rather than a place for self righteous teens to moan about political issues in a ‘look at me, im deep’ kind of way.

    If you really do have something remotely hard hitting to say, surely there’s a better platform for it than an offshoot of lolcats?

    • maddok says:

      You want funny? I’ll give you funny!

      A priest, a rabbi, and a preacher are in a bar. The question of when life begins comes up and each gives his answer. The priest asserts that life begins at conception. The rabbi is certain it begins at birth. They turn towards the preacher to hear his opinion and he leans back, takes a deep breath and says:
      “Welp, life begins when the kids move out, the dog dies, and the wife finally shuts up.”

  16. janet says:

    Firefighters are not coal miners. These folks are wearing fire shirts and carrying pulaskis. They have the US Forest Service logo on their hard hats. Firefighting is way more dangerous than coal mining in the short run (though I suppose coal miners have more long-term health hazards.) They often work 12 hour shifts, digging line and dumping dirt on smoking stumps. If you live near or in the woods, you are really glad that they are on the job!

  17. Jeri says:

    So, because coal miners and fire fighters have dangerous jobs that negates the danger that our military face? Tell me, when was the last time you saw a coal miner blown to bits by an IED? Or a firefighter under fire by terrorists? That’s some sick thinking. And to think that I stopped in here to get my grin on this morning!

    • Lefty says:

      TOOO SOOOOOOOOONNNNN11!!!!!!!!!!!!!111ELEVENTYONE!!!!

    • Musard says:

      But firefighters lack the pleasure of torturing people, unlike the people in the armed forces!

      There has to be some compensation.

    • HelOnWheels says:

      It’s a post by EWAdams – there will never be anything grin-inducing from him/her.

    • You’re right. Burning to death is so much easier/better than being exploded by an IED. Good thinking.

      /sarcasm.

    • 561Driver says:

      The military faces and enemy, just like we firefighters do. Only difference is that our enemy is truly implacable. “Terrorists” can be frightened into surrenduring. No matter how much water you show a fire, it won’t stop until you go in and stop it yourself. It’s not “negating” the danger our military forces face, it’s showing that other people also face danger that is just as important and just as deadly.

      And the caption is right, though it forgets that seasonals don’t get benefits, either.

      • Charlie Foxtrot (Floyd Extrodinaire) says:

        I agrre with you, in general, but fires are unthinking and react acording to set principles, even if those fighting them can’t have all of the information when they need it. Human enemies are thinking and , even if you have good information, they can change. Both are tough jobs, both require skill and bravery — one is not better than the other, just different.

        • 561Driver says:

          I wouldn’t say they react to “set” priciples, outside of “Hear Rises” I have seen fire burn against the wind, I’ve seen it burn down hill, and I’ve seen it burn structures that were supposed to be fireproof. I have seen fire react as a living, breathing creature, and anyone who’s ever been on a fire at night will agree with me 100%

  18. Katherine says:

    This person obviously has no idea what it is like to be in the military. Sure, the GI Bill is a nice perk, of course it took my husband four months and an unlawful rejection before they gave his benefits to him. The medals don’t mean squat to miliatry men and women, as I was told, it is really for them to look at each other and know where the other guy/gal has been and what they’ve seen. And don’t even get me started on the VA; the half-dozen men in the southeast US region with HIV can tell you about that one…

    • 561Driver says:

      Yeah, we don’t even get ANY of that. Or the free medical care, free transportation, free footwear, free gear, non-taxable wages, free housing, etc etc etc. We get JACK SQUAT. I had to pay for my own boots ($250) fire shirt ($120) and pants ($90) and while I was given my pack, I had to give it back or pay over $400. The only way I got free medical care is if it qualified under workman’s comp. The only free food I got was while in fire camp. We never get medals because the concept doesn’t exist in fire world. And I’m paying OUT OF POCKET for college right now, since I apparently make too much fighting fires to qualify for financial aid. You guys do have SOME things pretty goddamn easy.

  19. Bob says:

    Stay in school. If you graduate, you can get a GI Bill, VA benefit package and parades. If you drop out, you can become a coal miner and get black lung.

  20. Sqwirk says:

    It could be worse, they could be miners in China.

    In fact that goes for all of you. So be grateful to grateful to your employer for whatever you get, it’s no doubt better than you deserve.

  21. Buyer Beware says:

    I hear you, HelOnWheels – and EWAdams claims to be Canadian,and obviously thinks that all U.S. firefighters are male and NEVER get medals.

  22. deadharvest says:

    MOAR firefighers!!! YAYZ but where iz teh kittehs!!!

    I LOVE firefighter bravado! GEEZ people, it is THEIR JOB! they WANT to do what they do. So thanks, thanks for wanting to crave danger..good for you, you are a tough guy/girl! you are brave!

    Thanks for being a “hero” LOL…post like EW’s are funny only beucase the smell of fail is so strong it is like a hot fart under the comforter on a cold night!

  23. DamnationAngel says:

    # yes those are firefighters, U.S. forestry service by their gear. but how about remembering that there are a lot of firefighters out there making a buck an hour. anytime you see a firefighter wearing orange, they are prison inmates, and any guesses who gets the hottest, nastiest, most dangerous assignments, that the prima donna’s dont want?

    • ay dios mio says:

      Wait are you saying we don’t respect murderers enough? I’m honestly confused.

      • HelOnWheels says:

        And that “regular” firefighters are prima donnas??!! The people who pull your stupid ass out of a burning building, risking their own well-being??

      • Am I the only person who thought “Well, at least they’ve got the prisoners doing something productive instead of just watching tv, giving each other tattoos, and shanking each other?”

        • the_original_shortright says:

          i was more along the lines of “i can’t believe we’re paying these fvckers a dollar an hour.” they’re in prison. they have NO need for money. and if they killed someone or something else of that caliber… i’ll send them out to fight a fire with a watering can and NOTHING ELSE.

          • PortlandMark says:

            I think it’s important that when we let prisoners out, they have enough money to make it until they can get a job. Otherwise, what do you think they might do to get their next meal?

            • That’s actually a good point, although it could be argued that it’s an issue best addressed by putting them in a work-release program for the last few months of their sentence.

              • PortlandMark says:

                Ooh, that’s a very good idea.

                • Yeah, the whole reintegration thing can be a BIG issue (and obviously problems with that are a huge cause of recidivism). Probably an area we should devote more thought/resources to.

                  • the_original_shortright says:

                    i definitely agree with this.

                    but i also think that when we let people out of prison they shouldn’t be better off than they were when they went in. if we’re making sure they’ve got cash when they leave when they had none to come in, then they’re better off and that’s not quite right. i think the best course of action is to freeze their accounts until they’re released then let them back at them. if they had money, they still have money. if they were dirt broke, they’re still dirt broke. yeah, it’s harsh… but it’s not “fair” for the dirt broke guy to be in jail and then come out a few grand richer. that would encourage people doing a crime to get the cash (in certain situations, definitely not across the board).

                    • Based on my experiences with people being sentenced in the Federal system, about 85-90% of them are dirt broke, also uneducated and not all that bright to begin with, often compounded with drug problems. (Note that my experience is largely with those who qualify for appointed counsel, so that would necessarily exclude most defendants with resources.) It’s actually pretty depressing, but I do think concentrating on getting these guys at least semi-literate and teaching them some type of job skill while they’re a (literal) captive audience would go a LONG way.

                      • the_original_shortright says:

                        forced education. i like it.

                        hell, it’d probably be a harsher punishment for some of those guys than sitting in a cell staring at the wall 24/7.

                        “write a 5 page paper about sexism in shakespeare’s plays”
                        “awwww man, can’t i just go pick up trash in the park?”

                        • That’s a good idea! Then, inmates can start trading cigarettes for term papers! “Hey mac, I got 2,000 words on bird metaphors in Kate Chopin’s “The Awakening” – it’s yours for a toothbrush and your copy of “A Streetcar Named Desire.”

                        • justacarolinian says:

                          I finally watched Shawshank Redemption the other night, and reading these comments just had images flashing in my head. I can actually see some of those guys saying what you said. LOL.

                        • the_original_shortright says:

                          shawshank was filmed in the mansfield state reformatory in mansfield ohio. every halloween they set up THE ENTIRE PRISON as a haunted house. it’s fvcking awesome. scariest haunted house i’ve ever been too. especially when you’re walking through “the pit” and there’s shit jumping out at you and stuff.

              • Semperfidd says:

                Did you know that prisoners can collect unemployment benefits while they are in jail?

                • While unemployment compensation laws vary from state to state, most states DO require, among other things, that you be available to work and actively seeking work; I don’t see how you could possibly do that in prison. What state allows this?

                  • Semperfidd says:

                    Nevada

                    • Well, that’s just stupid. You should write your state legislator.

                    • the_original_shortright says:

                      i think my head just asploded.

                      this is so wrong. you’re not unemployed, you’re in jail. big difference.

                    • PortlandMark says:

                      I found this on Lawyersdotcom, regarding Nevada employment law:

                      “Unemployment Benefits

                      Unemployment benefits are based on combinations of federal and state statutes. Unemployment compensation programs are administered by the state and normally provide monetary compensation to workers who have been terminated without cause, through no fault of their own. Employees who voluntarily terminate their employment for “good cause” may also be entitled to benefits.

                      Nevada unemployment benefits provide temporary compensation to those workers meeting the eligibility requirements of Nevada law. The basic requirements for collecting unemployment are:

                      •Must have been employed
                      •Must be determined to be unemployed through no fault of your own
                      •Must file ongoing claims and respond to questions concerning your continued eligibility”

                      I’m no lawyer, but it would seem to me that convicts cannot collect unemployment, since they would be in jail for reasons that *are* their fault.

                      I’d be interested to hear the individual stories that contradict that, though. I bet they are frustratingly amusing!

                      • viking gal says:

                        “But I didn’t do it, man! I was framed!” Argument made to unemployment office…
                        /snark

                        • froofrou the Barenaked Lady says:

                          We’ve got people collecting unemployment from my company because they missed too many days of work and were fired under our “no-fault” attendance policy. I have a guy getting paid unemployment for failing a drug test and getting fired over it (he was made to wait “too long” before taking the drug test and that was deemed unfair. Yeah, having to sit for an hour before you pee in a cup for the third time because you didn’t do it right the first two times is unfair). I have several getting unemployment for three day no call no show because my predecessor didn’t know how to block unemployment claims, and if you don’t appeal the claim, it gets paid.

                          I can totally see how a prisoner could get paid unemployment, especially if they get an overly sympathetic case-worker coupled with a lazy HR person at their former job.

                        • I would say having to take three tries before you can pee in a cup properly should be considered prima facie evidence that you are too mentally deficient to have a job in the first place and quite possibly should have the state check to make sure you’re safe living unsupervised.

        • Semperfidd says:

          I thought that too lol….would like to see more orange jump suits doing work personally.

        • ay dios mio says:

          I’d rather them be doing that stuff then working out. That way when they get out they’re flabby and have horrible cardio instead of being bigger, and stronger.

    • 561Driver says:

      I’m calling bullshit on this. I’ve worked with what we call the Conny Crews, and they are some of the most polite, well behaved and hard working men I’ve ever served on a fire with. They ARE NOT murderers, they are guys with non-violent convictions who have served their time as model prisoners, and are being rewarded with a chance to serve their community. They pull their weight and more, and we appreciate them greatly. And the whole “hottest, nastiest” crap is just that, crap. The hardest jobs are reserved for the most well trained crews, namely smoke jumpers, helitak crews, and hotshot crews.

  24. done it says:

    these arent prison workers. They are people employed by either the state or federal government and volunteer to become Wildland Firefighters. I did this for 2 summers. 250 hours of work in 14 days. 6am – 8am digging fire lines or putting out spot fires. shower, sleep, repeat.

    not easy work by any means. and very hazardous. a slight change in the direction of the breeze can be deadly.

  25. Lost Dutchman says:

    In my view, this is a preemptive strike against the military to immunize the current administration for any upcoming setbacks.

  26. Bix Nood says:

    Only black lung.

  27. No1askedme says:

    Boring LOL is boring. I thought we went over this last week and agreed to stop voting for these kinds?

  28. Sue says:

    These are not Coal Miners! These are Forest Firefighters – made up of professionals and trained volunteers. My husband is a Wildlife Manager who was trained and went to the Northwest on the big fires in 1988. Both of our sons and both of our daughter-in-laws fought many tough fires for the USFS, working out of Wyoming. Often all four were “out” on different fires. They’d call us when they could & leave messages for the others. Although both sons graduated from UWyoming with double majors in Wildlife Management and Fisheries Biology, our younger son worked on the fire crews, then was promoted to Fire Crew Chief. This caption is correct in that it is a dirty, tiring, and very dangerous job. Both sons now are USFS Law Enforcement Officers. I don’t know which job is more dangerous.

    A WVMom that always stays concerned and prays a lot.

  29. Martyvz says:

    What happened, ewadams? What do you have against the military? Did that “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy piss you off?

  30. erich says:

    of course! COAL MINERS, sent off to fight for freedom!

  31. thx1449 says:

    Coal miners rule, without them we wouldn’t have been able to power trains, and without them we wouldn’t have opened up the west. Thank you coal miners! :D

    • paws4thot says:

      Fact fail – Most “Old West” locomotives were fueled on wood, hence the smoke and double truncated cone spark-catcher chimneys.

  32. ryan says:

    yeah.. these totally wildland fire fighters and not coal miners. Give some credit where its due!!

  33. Wat? says:

    Again… wheres the funny?

  34. J.N. says:

    My hats off to ALL public safety members, Veterans of wars past and present, and service men and women alive and dead. For those people who think these USFS firefighters don’t put their lives on the line for those people who worry about losing their homes because some dumbass set some woods on fire, just remember that two of those firefighters lost their lives this year and that five were killed in 2006.

  35. alice says:

    well, at least they get a fail-blog shout out.

  36. Yer Mom says:

    Yeah, those vets have it so sweet, the slackers.

    Christ, what an ass you are.

  37. firedancer says:

    First things first…hats off to the military and to the coal miners for they make this country go ’round…in the pic those are most definitely US Forest Service wildland firefighters…I know because I am one by profession!!! It is my chosen life and I love it…hats off to my brothers and sisters in the “hot seat”… :)

  38. Su says:

    Those arent coal miners, they are US Forest Service wildland firefighters.

  39. elwhite says:

    Also,
    A) Nobody trying to shoot them
    B) Nobody trying to blow them up
    C) No 4-15 month deployments
    D) No living in a tent in the middle of a crap hole desert
    E) All of the above.

    Yeah…thanks for all you guys do.

  40. Bamsham says:

    Since when do firefighters get no recognition? Since when are firefighters not considers heroes? Since when do they not receive benefits?

    And since when is civil service about receiving accolades and proving that you’re better than other civil servants?


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