National Parks ROCK!
National Parks ROCK! Thank you, Teddy!!
(Theodore Roosevelt)
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OMG I laughed so much I nearly died! The most sidesplittingly hilarious lol I think I have ever seen! Pass me the smelling salts!
When are you going to learn? If you want funny pictures, go look at the cute kitties.
Who wrote the caption anyway, Ned Flanders? And who the fvck voted for it?
I hoobly doobly did!
Ok, that made me laugh …
Ken Burns…
Just watched that, it was fascinating actually!
if you look down the comments “foo” obviously thinks this is just a fan-fu(king-tastic caption…
*headdesk*
Because foo likes national parks, naturally that makes the caption good! I’m gonna submit one that says “hockey is good! go hockey!” to see if it makes the sports front page. @@
I’m not a huge hockey fan, therefore I don’t think that’d be a very good caption. On the other hand, a picture of Tim Duncan with a caption that reads “All hail the Big Fundamental: The real king of the NBA” would be AWESOME!!!!!!!!
Of course, “basketball is good” would be a good caption too.
In reality, a caption like that would probably make me laugh anyway. There is some humor in making fun of the bottom-feeders.
You’re not a huge hockey fan? Then you, sir, are an ASS!
)
(Me? Trolling? Oh definitely.
how can anyone in their right mind not be a hockey fan? it combines the best sports: bare fisted boxing combined with ballet, and the strategy of chess tossed in for good measure. plus it’s all done on ice with 1/4in sharp blades attached to the bottom of their feet for added athletic skill and balance — again, what’s not to like?
Well, I did do one with Obama saying, “What? The cake is a lie? What about the pie?”
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I’ll preface this by saying that it’s hardly original as it’s Frank Capra’s dialogue, but I can’t look at this picture without thinking of Teddy in “Arsenic and Old Lace” , so…there you go.
I think we can thank our friend EWAdams for diluting the funny to the point that it’s now preachy. *sigh*
Umm, yeah…Go Yellowstone?
I don’t know… I just checked the point spread this week, and Grand Canyon National is favored by 4-1/2 over Yellowstone. If Yellowstone only had a better pass rush…
But they’re both gonna get clobbered by Yosemite!
I guess if it’s true what they say about a supervolcano under Yosemite, that’s a fair bet..
You saw what Yellowstone did to Rocky Mountain NP…you can say you dont think the same will happen to Grand Canynon National…and Yosemite…too old, overrated, i expect a lot of commotion but in the end they will fail to explode onto the scene
I think Great Smokey Mountains will take the Superbowl this year; they’ve just got a new Quarterback, with a 75yd average.
I have the Great Smoky Mountains on my Fantasy National Park team. I think they are a rock-solid pick. Others were saying it was all smoke and mirrors, but I rate them at Tenn out of Tenn.
Too many bears.
See, I’ve got my NPL Fantasy lineup all set: I’m playing Mt. Rushmore at QB, I’ve got Arches and Zion on WR, Death Valley and Big Bend on RB, and Acadia at TE. We are going to kick some BUTT this season!
Acaida at TE! WOW pretty gutsy! I would’ve thought you would’ve put The Badlands in this week, a much bigger target albeit it has its ups and downs and very little room to grow. Still, Badlands is a better play
Well, I was thinking about playing Fire Island Nat’l Seashore at TE, but it’s been so temperamental lately.
*sigh* I always pick last in my NPL Fantasy team. I have Hot Springs on defense. I’m gonna come in last AGAIN! I had Ozark at QB last year and it spent the whole season on injured reserve.
I’ve got four QBs cause they give me the most points!
I had Oregan trail at QB this week and just found out he is out with Dysentery. Darn it. I guess i will have to play Lewis and Clark Trail and hope to make it up on the ground.
Aw, you lost your o-line in the river. You’re in trouble now.
Hey guys! I just got The Everglades! IN YOUR FACE!
Kiss my grits! I OWN all of you with my Grand Teton! (that sounds a bit dirty)
Grand Teton.. you have my interest.
*Channeling Scooby Doo* Rrrroooo? Tetons? Rooby rooo!!!
^ This whole thread… funnier than the caption btw.
I was going to be rooting for the Sequoias this year. You can always count on them to come out at the end of the season still standing tall. Unfortunately, it looks like their management is making some poor decisions as far as staffing and rosters.
I also liked Denali’s aggressiveness, but I am worried that the decisions their ownership group made might get them drilled at some point in the season!!
Do you guys agree that the Wright Brothers National Memorials air attack could pose a hell of a problem for Devil’s Tower national monument this weekend?
I think Devil’s Tower is counting on some assistance from the aliens.
I don’t see it; the Devil’s Tower backs can reach higher than the Flier can get off the ground.
Good point you saw what happened last week though Wright Brothers started flying high and Mammoth Caves went under in a hurry.
Hey, congratulations, everybody here actually managed to bring that indefinable quality known as “funny” to this LOL. *thumbs up*
PK Regulars: If it’s not funny, we’ll make it funny, or your money back.
Sorry, but Mammoth Cave is going to win this one!
But enough about Paris Hilton…
BOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! HISSSS!!!!!!
(Whoa, I just booed myself off the stage.)
you know what’d spice up yellowstone? a theater and a roller coaster! ami right?! huh?
(*ahem* disclaimer: i am kidding)
Made me LOL. Now I have the picture in my mind of the mascot in the furry suit walking around mugging for pics with the tourists! Hmmm…let’s see…Bilbo Bear? Marcy the Moose? Gary the Geyser?
and blackjack!
and hookers!
Fu(king outstanding work here people!
*standing ovation*
*trips, eats it*
What? Our ability to refine a remotely funny thread out of a non-humorous LOL?
Eggs Ackley!
Yes. That.
The correct Republican attitude is that the nation’s land should be sold off cheap to developers to exploit however they see fit to line their own pockets.
Fortunately, Teddy was a different kind of Republican.
So glad they elected you to speak for all of them.
Republicans were different back then, and although this comment is correct about the republicans of today it is not so about conservatives. Remember, republicans and conservatives are no longer the same, although there is some overlap.
I’m a conservative (I don’t say Republican because I don’t identify with political parties period) and I don’t think that at all. Within reason, conservation and the environment are very important.
So, next time you don’t know what you’re talking about, you should try keeping your mouth shut. Any other option just makes you look stupid.
What does a political parties period look like? Is it rather bright red and slimey or rustybrown with clots?
*hurls up breakfast*
Is it rather light beige and slimey or rustybrown with chunks?
You doubt the colours I offered for choice?
As long as you don’t pad your efforts, it’s cool.
I couldn’t believe I was seeing this. I had to tampon the monitor to make sure it was working correctly.
Oh no no no no. No no no. This is NOT a pun-run that we want to go with. No no no no. *turns green*
I can’t resist now….Ivan, are we cramping your style?
*erk*
Oh, c’mon, Ivan, it’s not that bad. Just go with the flow.
*faints*
*mops Ivan’s brow with a napkin – no worries, it’s sanitary*
Ivan’s going to go all Carrie on us if we don’t learn to Midol own business.
(yeah, that was a stretch…)
We’re being too hard on poor Ivan. It’s a terrible pun run. A bloody mess, I tell you!
All right, we’ll just endometrium it right here, then.
But Ivan’s dangerous! I know he’ll be all cylekiller (qu’est-ce que c’est – fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa better Run run run run run run run away OH OH OH AY AY AY AY AY WOOooooooooooooooooo!)
ouh, hanes are I got exited and left off the “c.”
i concur. i’m really laughing at all the puns, but this is a path that should have NEVER been taken.
Don’t worry, we’ll only do this pun run, say, once a month or so.
no no no no no no no no no
this has to stop. now.
Only when its applicator-able.
Pitty, THAT was a good one!
*snort*
*standing ovation*
*curls up in the corner quietly sobbing*
What’s wrong, Ivan? You look like it’s raining on prom night.
Poor Ivan’s been CERV(IX)ED!! I think he’s been through enough. I think we can discharge him.
Watch it, he’s lost his rag..
So we should plug it up then?
BAHAHAHAHA! That’s really gross but it made me laugh out loud.
*standing ovation*
Brava, Brava! Bravo, Bravo!
The first targeted pun-run. And I was the target. yay. lucky me. *pops a few more sedatives and goes back into a coma*
*decorates Ivan’s comatose body with raspberry syrup*
He’ll enjoy this when he comes to!!
*screaming incoherently*
*hugs and rocks ivan*
shhhhhhh, it’s ok. it’ll alllllll be ok.
So if you’re not a Republican, how does his statement impact you at all? At no point did he say “conservative.”
Perhaps because EW’s acting like a brainless idiot, and unchecked stupidity hurts us all.
No arguments here.
“Conservative” values is refering to a political ideology. An ideology that aligns with Republican values. Its like a bear saying, because I don’t identify with all bears, I choose to be a Grizzly instead. You’re still a bear silly rabbit, regardless of how you choose to phrase it.
I think you’ve got it backwards. “Conservative” describes a larger collection of people than “Republican” does, as there are conservatives who are independent, or aligned with the Libertarians, or the Constitution party…. it’s safe to say that all Republicans are (at least in some aspects) conservative, but not that all conservatives are Republicans.
Which would make “Conservative”= bear and “Republican” = grizzly.
“that all Republicans are (at least in some aspects) conservative”
I wouldn’t say “all”. Look at Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine. They’re moderate, the exception to a rule.
Well, that’s why I specified “in some aspects”, not everyone’s a social conservative, or not on all issues; the last administration was in NO way fiscally conservative….etc., but generally people who are Republicans are conservative about something, just as people who are Democrats generally have some areas in which they’d consider their views “liberal”.
Snowe has some very socially liberal positions, but is also fiscally conservative and strong on defense; I don’t know about Collins.
I guess you’re right, hence conservative democrats. what would they be in this equation? Grizzly dogs or hound bears?
“what would they be in this equation?”
Misguided?
outcasts from both sides unless their vote is needed
Conservative+Democrat = π ?
Conservative+Democrat= 1/0
Hahahaha!!
ERROR!! ERROR!! DOES NOT COMPUTE!
Conservative + Democrat = the square root of -1
Lol…Conservative + Democrat = Congressman from Mississippi.
(No, really, Travis Childers would probably be a Republican most places. )
There’s no way that guy would fly with the Democratic Party in Missouri.
Exactly my point. He’s the Democrat’s version of the abovementioned Republicans from Maine!
Yeah, I can see how in Mississippi that would still count as a Democrat. Hell, to Mississippi he’s practically a pot-smoking hippie.
If you’re not Republican then what the hell is your problem with the post?!
It generalizes, and that’s not cool.
HEY! Don’t generalize on what is or isn’t cool, bud!
Uh no.
this is not funny.
So wait, we have a picture of arguably the BIGGEST BAD A$$ president we ever had (finished a speech with a bullet lodged in his rubcage, collapsing his lung) and we talk about National Parks, WTF? I mean I’m fine that this site went away from funny, BUT come on.
Better Caption: If this man was in office, Iran would have no Nukes, Korea would not test fire missles, and Europe would be kissing our asses”
Second Best Republican EVER (Lincoln is the first, Ike is the third)
ILPB… i’m just saying this before 17 trolls say it. the republican party that lincoln belonged to would most likely be closer aligned with the democratic party of today.
Heck, Ike would be closer aligned with the Democratic party of today.
Agreed, as I’ve said before; todays democrats are the same as the republicans from the 50’s-60’s.
You wish!
Original: Lincoln would be more aligned with the Libertarian Party than any party out there. Lincoln believed in a stong federal government, but not a large federal government. He believed more in individual freedoms vice the democratic party does today.
I actually think Lincoln would go up and sahke Palin’s hand as well as Pelosi’s hand but would find himself voting more with Ron Paul.
I prefer to think that Lincoln would go for a non-crazy libertarian…but that’s just me.
Also, since you didn’t refer to him as “Dr. Paul”, it’s on like Donkey Kong.
Isn’t he a Dr. like Dr. Phil is a Dr.?
I think the Duke University School of Medicine would beg to differ with that assessment. He’s an actual M.D.!
Unfortunately the AMA doesn’t provide their M.D.s certification with footnotes such as “Clueless M.D.” (That sounds like an interesting name for a rapper).
DJ Doctor Clueless is in da house!!!!!
Yo, it’s Clueless M.D., and you don’t want no part o’ me!
Going straight for your heart like a carotid artery. . .
(Wait. . . what direction does blood flow in arteries? . . . Away or to the heart. . . Um. . . skip it. . . everyone’s waiting for me to keep rapping)
*throat clear*
I’m so thuggish that I give people the shivers,
But can cut you open and take out one of your livers!
What? My sexual prowess? Ask your girlfriend as a reference!
Last night, she let me explore around her vas deferens! Son!
*gangsta pose, drops mic and walks off*
Last Doctor House episode was titled “Epic Fail”
she’s don’t have vas deferens’, only he’s do. thats a man baby!!
Win!
*whispers over to wicket* That’s one of the jokes.
@LtCMD – \m/
Are you sure you didn’t take one of my courses…and fail? I sort of recognize the ‘logic’.
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My sides hurt from laughing!
Ron Paul did not go to 8 years of crazy medical school to be called “Mister.”
No, he was earning the title of ‘wackster’!
One more thing: The Republican Party today isn’t necesarily the part the Democrats portray it be. Just like the Democratic Party isn’t necesarily the way the Repubs say it is. In history the Repbulican Party has done more for Civil Rights (presidency wise) than the Democratic Party, though the Democratic Party takes the credit.
Wait, what? Can you cite that, please?
I could but it’d be lost. Kennedy made many speeches about it, Johnson ignored it he was too busy screwing up Vietnam. Between Lincoln, Ike, and Nixon most Civil Rights laws or amendments were passed.
So basically, you can’t cite. Gotcha.
Well the solid democratic south certainly stood in the way of civil rights now didn’t it?
History is history. We live in the present, and must plan for the future.
but always remember the history, or are doomed to repeat it
DOOMED I SAY!! DOOOOOOOOO MMMMMMMEEDDDD
Well we’re doomed, but that’s besides the point…
MMMUUUUUUURRRRRRRDDDDDDDDEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!11!!12!elebenty!!
National Parks do rock! And Teddy and Franklin both did great things for the system. If Teddy were president today, our foreign policy situation would definitely be more effective. For that matter, FDR just might have dealt better with the North Koreans and Iranians.
No, FDR would have waited until one of N. Korea’s missiles hit our country.
Say what you like about FDR, at least he wasn’t afraid to be unpopular if that’s what the situation demanded.
The same could be said about our current president (health care). Interesting.
Or Bush after 9/11?
I don’t actually dislike FDR. I just don’t agree with some of the things he did and didn’t do while he was president.
I’m not saying he was perfect. His foreign policy was a little iffy, but that wasn’t the focus of the public when he was president.
I don’t want to start a political argument, but are you trying to say that the Bush Doctrine approach to foreign policy is better than Roosevelt’s Isolationist foreign policy?
Nope, not at all.
thank god. because i don’t even know if Roosevelt even had an Isolationist policy.
Epic caption! Thanks, Teddy!
Don’t forget to thank John Muir too!
meh… still not funny…
true…
but not funny….
meh meh meh and more meh…
*Ahem* Am I the only nerd who’s been watching the National Park series on PBS?
I was thinking the same thing, and you are not alone. Fantastic series.
No you’re not.
I’ve only been able to catch part of it though.
You’re in one of the Nerd Centals here! I’ve tried to catch some of it but have had trouble with my DVR.
Loving it!
I would like to see more about the natural habitats of Ewoks in American National Parks covered in the series.
Apparently they’re being destroyed by Imperial bases. Sad, really.
*Sad Wookie sounds* Grararaaraararaaar….
It’s not really a Teddy Roosevelt lol if you don’t use “bully”.
Thank you! I was about to write the same thing.
He never went to war with anyone, but yeah, Teddy was a bit of a bully to other nations. However, I think his exceptional domestic policies outweigh his questionable foreign policy. The man knew what needed to be done and he made it happen, I respect that greatly.
That’s not what he meant by “bully”.
Please to be explaining “bully”.
By now it’s obvious you’re woefully, and willfully, undereducated. Maybe you should turn off the PC and read a book. (Or a hundred.)
You used that line before, why don’t you E.S.A.D.
We know that using STFU makes one a troll…I’m going to go out on a limb and argue that using ESAD does too.
Ah, from the master of the insulting comments — what’s a matter, you can dish them out but you can’t take them?
I agree with Dhoti in this case, Charlie. No1, while doing his best to debate, has shown himself to either not be paying attention to important things (like the czar discussion or the one about healthcare), or he’s too young to really know what he’s talking about. He’s also used the excuse that he was “too busy” during the campaign to notice certain important things.
He’s got the potential to be good one day, but for right now, he’s coming off as an idiot who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Especially when he keeps saying things that get knocked down and using the excuse that he hadn’t heard about it (when it’s been all over the news and internets) or that he’s been too busy to care.
Don’t make me get in between you and Dhoti, Charlie. I just took a shower and I don’t want to get sweaty
I suspect young in this case. That combination of passion and lack of information depth are pretty common in my students.
mea a culpa. I promise to be a good boy, froo. I won’t even say anything about your parting comment.
That’s wise. I’m swimming in hormones over here, and I never know which way they’ll turn.
Oooh–sweaty barenaked pregnant lady! Sexy!!1!!!
You should see me during my late evening hot flashes. MmmMmmm!!
*fans self*
Woo-hoo!
I’m gonna have to agree with Dhoti & froo (translation: Rando divided by zero). I’ve got no problems with him defending Obama or stuff the Democrats have done, but he’s come unarmed and has gotten his ass handed to him. He does have a bit of a know-it-all attitude (not as bad as VNV, but still) that doesn’t help when he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
“Rando divided by zero”
Did it hurt?
Got any tylenol?
I have Vicoden…
Score. Hand ‘em over.
Um, what? ESAD is just lazy — why would I be offended? (Of course, if you’ve chosen “standing up for the proudly ignorant” as your cause of choice, I shouldn’t
(of course, if anyone wants to champion “people who push buttons too early”, I’m game…)
As long as you’re not working on a nuclear reactor site…
If I was, I would have bragged about it well before now…
ZOMG I’M WORKING ON A NUCULAR REACTER SIGHT!!11!11!elevnty!!!
Um, what? ESAD is just lazy — why would I be offended? (Of course, if you’ve chosen “standing up for the proudly ignorant” as your cause of choice, I shouldn’t expect much in the way of rhetorical flourishes, should I?)
Roosevelt often used the word “bully” as an adjective meaning superb/wonderful.
The search wasn’t really that difficult.. Rooselvelt+bully will give you the desired results.
Teddy Roosevelt may have had a different definition of the word ‘bully’ when he used it. That does not exclude the possibility of him having acted as a bully in real life. I have not personally studied his writings or history, so I can’t personally make a judgment for or against that epithet. He certainly did embrace the opportunities and privileges which came with his class, but I give him credit for being an educated and intellectually minded fellow.
Not to mention what he did for the national park system.
That too. Aside from the massive big-game hunting, but then hunting was considered zoology in those days.
Ah, but to make the transition from outright hunting to preserving, that’s what made the difference.
I don’t care if it’s not particularly funny, but I’m not going to risk voting this down on pain of pain. Particularly, the pain caused by Theodore Roosevelt rising from the grave to kick the everloving tar out of me.
Zombie Teddy?
No, for this would imply that he has actually died. My theory is that he is not so much dead as sleeping, like great Cthulu, only greater, and when he awakens, a golden age of man will begin.
Teddy Cthusevelt??
… who spoke softly like his father, Franklin Delovecraft Cthusevelt.
Well someone wake that mutha fukka up!
That will be 2012.
So he’s going to save humanity from the Mayan The-End-of-the-World-As-We-Know-It.
CHAAAAARRRRRRGGGGEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!
Well, I feel fine.
I would like some Crush.. With Eyeliner.
She’s a sad tomato.
Totally lost my religion in the spotlight last night…
irony, methinks, that there is so little disabled access in parks. Teddy’s wheelchair would never have taken him to the most of them…
I think you got Teddy Roosevelt and Franklin Roosevelt mixed up. Teddy wasn’t in a wheelchair.
Fun fact, though — it looks like Teddy may have been in a wheelchair for a year or so at the end of his life, due to infection in one leg.
I don’t know if I’d call that a fun fact. More like kinda sad.
Your comment made me laugh, so technically it is now a ‘fun fact’.
Well, good, then my work here is done. *ninja vanish*
oops LOL my bad! my excuse is Im not american, and I didnt spend my formative years memorising your presidents lol
Other one.
Double Irony = your post about irony, which references the wrong president.
That’s a myth, they were actually father and son!
They were not (I know you’re kidding). Even if they were father & son, SS still had the wrong president, which = double irony.
I know, they were actually nephew and niece, and delano also married teddy’s niece, thus marrying himself.
And you wonder why nobody responds to your posts?
You did, and I thank you for that!
But it’s my duty to point out that you’ve mistaken that Roosevelt for Benjamin Franklin Delano Roosevelt!
Your duty should be to read AND comprehend. No, I did not mistake anything. The original poster of this thread did. You’re obviously not clever enough to not pay attention.
Hmm! And are you clever enough to realize that I joked by citing a president that’s 2 presidents in one?
I do my best not to pay too much attention to your posts. I do not take my own advice when reading what you’ve written.
Hey, and I wasn’t clever enough to notice your double negation of “not clever enough to not pay attention”.
“I wasn’t clever enough”
That much is true.
Benjamin Franklin was not a president, dude.
Arrrggg! How could I miss pointing that out!?! Must of not had enough coffee today.
Benjamin Harrison was.
George ‘Washington’ Harrison would’ve been a great Seargent ‘Pepper’ General (and President too). I know i’m stretching.
Nobody cares about him, though.
Except for the Beatlemaniacs! (I’m friends with one)
I care Rando… and your callousness…. it hurts.
*sprays Keith and Hel with extinguisher*
No flaming near the Sequoias. You’re going to start a fire.
Sorry. I’m stopping now. Won’t happen again.
*tickle*
*throws water balloon*
*breaks wind in your general direction*
HA! I have a gas mask on! You failed.
yup! (chokes down double irony with side order of head slap…with a smile)
This is not flaming, we’re merely having fun.
I work with the NPS, and I passed this around the office today. Everyone loved it!
If Teddy were around today, he’d give Obama a wedgie, slap Pelosi, kick Rahm’s nuts up between his ears and just stare at Biden (making Biden lose control of his bowels- again). I wish we had another like him today. Oh, and Shortright-STFU !(in advance)
Dude, you’re worthless. I hope your computer explodes so you can’t taint the Internet with your worthlessness anymore. I hope your parents are proud of your accomplishment of being the worst Internet troll ever (and since there are approximately 7.8 trillion Internet trolls, that’s saying a lot…that number might be either partially or entirely made up).
I’m glad you put that disclaimer at the end. Otherwise, possible legal issues could’ve followed suit.
A poll of eleventy trillion people said that 154% of all Internet users know that any statistics posted on the Internet are false.
To hell with your flim flam poll statistics. I believe the statistics that my gut tells me. Right now my gut says %75 of people polled like average sized boobies, the other %25 like more giant sized boobies.
But you left out the 5% who prefer small-sized boobies. And they plan to slap you with a class-action lawsuit!
There is a modest but ardent fan club for the IBTC, just as there is for the AAAM.
I’m familiar with the IBTC, but the AAAM? Please, do explain.
american association of the ample mammaried.
founding members: myself and janie.
Not sure I’m a founding member, but I am cup–I mean card-carrying!
I’m a member, but only for a little while
we’ll give you an honorary membership then.
i think you were a founder as well. i knew there were more but couldn’t remember for sure… didn’t want to make any of the IBTC-ers into AAAM-ers.
i volunteer to head the cougars of the ample mammaried division
Are you fu(king with my woman? I will mess you up, dude. You do NOT fu(k with my woman. >:-(
Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it…
You were doing pretty good until you mentioned Shortright.. was that really necessary? I mean, it’s like throwing down the gauntlet around here.
Look way above at her comment to me for no good reason. Stop backing trolls- it’s bad, mmm ,okay?
Shortright’s not a troll. Shortright was saying that we’ve had these same ten arguments or so about what previous presidents/political figures would have been in “today’s standards” hundreds of times around here at PK.
It seems she thought you had been around here long enough to know that.
ANYONE who says “STFU” to anyone else IS a Troll. Period.
i recommend you take a look at my comment to you:
{http://punditkitchen.com/2009/10/02/political-pictures-theodore-roosevelt-national-parks/#comment-240017}
where it clearly says “shut the hell up.
and your comment to me:
{http://punditkitchen.com/2009/10/02/political-pictures-theodore-roosevelt-national-parks/#comment-240172}
where it clearly says “STFU”
thanks for calling yourself a troll. game over. asshole.
STFU troll. And stop mentioning your stink hole period please.
then how about mood swings, menopause, and my all time favorite: hot flashes and night sweats?
if you don’t like the way we play here, find your own sand box, we’re happy with the way we are
Wait. . . Am I the only one that noticed TheOne actually used STFU in his comment to shritright, thus making himself a troll?
And OMG, shortright*
Spelling FAIL *hides from shortright’s wrath*
*hugs*
it’s ok. our fingers get the better of us sometimes.
STFU.
*golf claps*
“Stop backing trolls- it’s bad, mmm ,okay?”
Fair enough. None of us will back you. STFUGTFOESADITOP
Psst. Rando. I got it all up to ITOP. What’s that?
I only got to STFU, and after that i’m lost.
The Charge of the Troll Guard- I get it.
Fear our wrath.
Half a league half a league half a league onward.
Shut The Feck Up, Get The Feck Out. then i’m lost on ESADITOP.
ESAD is eat $hit and die. ITOP–no clue.
In that order please.
“ITOP”?
Stop the cruelty to trains! Can’t you see that they’ve already been through so much already?
i laughed.
would it be acceptable to tell him to jump off the new river gorge bridge then? it’s got quite a drop and he wouldn’t damage anything besides a few rocks and himself (which is the point of the matter).
Ummmm……This IS the Tourette’s Society meeting, isn’t it?
No, that’s down the hall and to the left.. This is the Society of Silly Arguments meeting.
if teddy were around today he wouldn’t be sitting behind a desk promising they would hunt down bin laden he would be in tora bora searched that place from top to bottom kicking ass along the way
You’re probably right. Only imagination can tell what a modern day Roosevelt Rough Riders unit would consist of today. I’m thinking a Harley Davidson calvary unit, armored and weaponized to the teeth, very crude and abrasive yet very effective in accomplishing their set goals. Yay for imaginations!
Actually the Rough Riders’ horses, or maybe camels, would work better in Tora Bora’s terrain. Hmm, armored camels!
Just make sure you cover their toes.
I love the National Park Series! It is the best. But they have ignored my favorite National Park — Big Bend!
Nature_YES! Both Roosevelts- Yes!
Funny, Ulysses S. Grant founded the first national park and Roosevelt was only responsible for three. Carter wins for most, but largely because of several in Alaska.
But Teddy was a known conservationist and evironmentalist. Grant was known for his drinking.. just sayin’
“But Teddy was a known conservationist and evironmentalist”
Of course. Otherwise there wouldn’t be any animals around for him to hunt. (And I am not being snarky, btw)
I just got back from a hunting trip. I bagged 4 snarks.
What? No Lewis Carroll fans here?
Oh Frabjous day! Kalloh, Kallay!
Snicker Snacker Jabberwacker. i know you are but what am I?
Now I’ve got the walrus in my head, crying while eating oysters!
–OK, I’ve got a PICTURE of the walrus in my head. The whole walrus wouldn’t fit!
Must…not…make…bukkit joke…*head asplodes*
would of been funnier if you’d made a boojum joke. amateur.
Its “very rude of you” to “try and ruin the fun”. If you’d “come and walk with me – that – would be grand”.
*smiles grandly, and then slowly fades away, leaving the smile behind to vanish last*
Which makes it all the more appropriate that the property he owned near St. Louis is now owned by Anheuser-Busch. Great tourist attraction too. Free beer samples!
Wait, Grant or Teddy? Either way, free beer win!!!
Oh, sorry. Grant. It’s called Grant’s Farm and it has some neat animals, and free beer, and a tour, and free beer, and the clydesdales from the Budweiser commercials, and did I mention free beer? (You get two decent sized free samples per visit. It’s pretty f’ing sweet.)
Clydesdales are teh awesome!
Belgians are better with syrup though.
Interesting how “Godless Liberals” do the most to preserve God’s creations yet the “God-fearing” conservatives do the most to destroy them.
Cite?
United States Congress vote on the climate bill: find your own damn source. Conservatives vote NO when we start talking about climate regulation while liberals vote YES. It’s the basis of the whole argument. You need to cite your sources if you disagree with what i’ve just stated.
lets see some proof that god created this “climate” thing…it could of been satan…are you backing satans creations? whats next? legalize puppy murder?
Those puppies had it coming.
You’re a douche bag. Do I need to cite that? My cite is your mom. BTW, she shouldn’t speak with her mouthful.
or mouth full. GAH! I blew it.
I guess there’s still a double standard for behavior for Liberals vs Conservatives- nothing is out of bounds for the Libs apparently. You are one foul mouthed Troll.
You’re a troll! And before you start on me, I’m not even a liberal. So stuff it!
the double standard is that you have to make a f’n point before you start feigning indignation.
Just to prove a point; Rando IS a conservative and he still thinks you are a troll.
Rando’s conservative?!!!111!!!!
Um. He’s conservative in his ability to hew to a liberal political philosophy?
*wipes thinking sweat off of her brow*
I hope you got that out there before Rando’s head asploded again.
cite what? It’s an opinion on an opinion page, dumbass.
Ah- mso when you ask me to cite something I can answer “dumbass”? I agree with the other guy- there’s no civility among Liberals.
If you’ve been around here long enough you’d know TheOne hasn’t reached B in the dictionary yet, so he doesn’t know the meaning of civility.
We’re civil to people who have a point. TheOne, is pointless.
My recommendation for dealing with ‘the one’: don’t feed pustulant trolls. Only feed those with a brain.
Actually, I’ve never asked anyone to cite anything on this site since I know it is pointless.
Except they created the National Parks System and liberals want to allow illegal Mexicans to pour over the border onto them littering them up. They bring over every kind of plastic container known to man and leave them out in the desert along with their dirty clothes and other sundries. But that’s ok, cause they might vote for a Democrat…
That’s the way Pinky and the Brain planned it! Bwwaahaha! Spin and toil yourself into a stroke yet?
I’m sick and tired of picking up all these god damn plastic containers!!! Must be the mexicans.
we need to hire someone cheap to pick it up…hey lets get the mexicans to do it
Drinking all that dasani, what’s up with that, even the name sounds like an illegal mexican drink.
Hmm, I can see none of you live in the Southwest…
you cant find mexicans to pick up the litter in the south west? bitter troll is shocked! shocked bitter troll tells you…
I’m sure someone could, maybe the federal government could do it!? So, lets see, we pay them to come over here and litter so they can pick it up again, sounds like GOOD use of taxpayer money to me….
blunty, not going to aruge the whole littering thing, is a ugly sterotype but so is my tiny penis. sometimes thats true.
-moves bitter fingers to mmmm’s cheeks and forces a smile-
but this is a comedy website
Why so serious?
Oooooooook, but it’s not a stereo type, they really do litter… I’m sorry!! They can’t help it, I would too.
no , it be a stereotype, but its a true one.
But I thought a stereotype was something that wasn’t true? Literally every single illegal immigrant that is forced to trek over the desert carrying all his/her belongings and water. There are no trash cans out there. So, not all of them are Mexican, but all of them litter.
no a sterotype can be true or false
FALSE : all black people steal stuff.
TRUE : black people love fried chicken…of course they do..IT TASTES GOOD!
Well …learn something every day…
wha? you didnt know fried chicken is nummy?
damn now want fried chicken too
Me too, I’m starving but can’t get away from this dang laptop. I may pour some ketchup on it soon, it’s starting to look good.
(white people eat a lot of ketchup… and mayonaise)
what was your point anyway: Mexicans BAD???
Please go back and read the entire thread before commenting and looking stupid. Illegal immigration = bad for the environment.
Stop with all the jokes~~~
Nope, sorry. We don’t know anything about how to stereotype Southwesterners. Must be a regional thing.
I own land out there near the border, so maybe you would listen to me? I drove my fair share of Mexicans to the bus stop who were wandering so don’t think I hate them. I’m just saying they litter and destroy pristine lands.
Pristine was my word. You stole my word!
Ok, here, have it back… Geez.
*sigh* You can have it. You already breathed on it. *goes to find another word…fortuitous…there we go*
I don’t want it now! *throws word across room, sobs*
*picks up abandoned word* Oh, cool! I don’t have one of these yet! *tucks in pocket and walks off whistling*
*pulls “pristine” out of Ivan’s pocket while he’s not looking and licks it*
Heh. Not so pristine now, is it?
hehehe……do you watch “Scrubs”? There was an entire episode about the Janitor licking stuff that belonged to J.D.
I have seen plenty of destruction of the same land by Americans who have total disregard when the park service says, “No Open Fires!”?
Oh, and not necessarily limited to national parks, but how many people a day do you see flipping their f*cking cigarette butts out the window? Or leaving their McDonald’s, Burger King, or whatever fast food bag laying where they drop it? Or their baby’s dirty diaper?
It’s fine that you have a problem with illegals, a lot of people do. But don’t blame the litter problem on them when lots of people who were born in the U.S. are just as bad if not worse.
Nothing on this scale:
About 50 volunteers helped Arizona Department of Environmental Quality and Coronado National Forest officials clean up trash near Madera Canyon on Saturday morning.
The volunteers, from Green Valley and Nogales, picked up about 3,000 pounds of trash likely discarded by illegal immigrants, who frequently travel through the area near the foothills of the Santa Rita Mountains, said Mark Shaffer, a spokesman for the environmental department.
Madera Canyon is about 13 miles southeast of Green Valley.
It took the group about four hours to clean the site, Shaffer said…
It really does help when you substantiate your statements like this. If you had said this in the first place you may not have been flamed.
I guess I just think these things are common knowledge. The MSM sadly doesn’t cover it for political reasons, environment be damned, which was kind of my point.
Actually, I was born and raised in New Mexico. What’s your point?
I don’t know, maybe that I wasn’t talking to you in the first place?
*sigh*
Do you have short term memory loss or are you always a bitch?
You weren’t involved in this discussion when I asked that Southwest question. I believe you owe me an apology.
I believe you can get stuffed. You may not realize it yet, but this is a PUBLIC FORUM, therefore all comments are open for replies/discussions.
And further to that, I think I have more than paid my dues around here and feel obliged to call a bitch a bitch when I see it. If you have any doubts, feel free to ask any of the other regulars that have been here for a while. So if you’re waiting for an apology from me, you have a better chance of seeing the 2nd coming of Christ before that happens.
So, “paying your dues” means you can curse random people on the internet and call them names even though they never did anything to you? Sounds like bullying. If you had really wanted to know my point you could have read what I said the day before which illustrated my point. So, once again, my point: The wilderness areas around the borders are being trashed by illegal immigrants. I’m sorry if no one likes that I am saying that, it doesn’t make it less true. I have seen it first hand. They also have started several forest fires. It’s bad for the environment. That’s it. That’s my point. Please, no one else ask.
Hey, the first amendment gives every American citizen the right to curse anyone they damn well please!
Hey No1, that’s how wars start you know. I thought you were a pacifist?
Me, a pacifist? Hell no! I’m one of the most militant people I know actually. I have no problem with war, hell, I actually think we have too little war. My problem is with stupid wars. List of stupid wars: Vietnam, Iraq (no trolling please), Korean, Spanish American, etc. Countries fight over dumb things like political/economic ideology, and I hate it. Why doesn’t anyone start a good war, like one to stop genocide in Darfur or end anarchy in Somalia? Honestly, violence can solve problems if we’re willing to use it properly.
P.S. The War of 1812 was dumb too. England was just being a sore loser!
You’ve confused No1 with VNV.
VNV confounds me in many ways. He remains amusing though, so I generally leave him be.
Wow, I would never have guessed that.
Nor would I considering I can’t even bring myself to kill a spider in the shower. To be totally honest, I really don’t fully understand my views, but I’m always able to rationalize them more than any of the alternatives. That works for me.
P.S. Spiders are our friends, please, don’t kill them. It makes me have a sad.
I don’t kill spiders either! I scoop them up and put them outside. I will kill roaches though, if I have too.
Yay! You get +50 for being cool to spiders!
I really think they are fascinating and love to watch them. Also, they kill other bugs that might get in the house.
spiders – ick! i have an agreement with my spiders – they stay outside, they live (unless they are really big and try to web over the door to catch me), but if they come inside, they’re fair game. i don’t invade their space, they don’t get to take over mine. simple.
although if a little one was to move into my kitchen window and catch the gnats my pig of a roommate insists on feeding at night, i wouldn’t mind too much
I know I’ve mentioned them before, but tell me you wouldn’t freak out just a little bit if you saw this hanging around your house: {http://www.westaust.net/wildlife/huntsman_spider.jpg}
you ain’t tricking me to click that link, not again *insert heebie-jeebie shimmy and spasm with goosebumps here!*
if i had those in my yard, i’d be breaking open the 12 gauge and setting the choke to wide. of course then i’d probably be spending my days digging buckshot out of the house and patching holes, but dang if i’d let one of those beasties near me….
would an electrified chicken wire fence keep them out?
aaarrrrkkkk – flash backs of the most unpleasant kind
Dang it, BF, you weren’t supposed to catch on so quick!
Awww, it’s just a baby!
Oh please. I’d hardly call Eddie a bully under any circumstances. In fact, I felt it necessary to scroll back up and see what he was responding to in the first place since I don’t really see him calling people bitches all that often. If Eddie calls you a bitch, it’s probably a good time to stop and think “where have I gone wrong?” and also “What’s the fastest way to get off this man’s lawn?”
Oh and these words here: “Please, no one else ask.” were a bad idea. You might as well have said, “Please, harrass me about this on every post I write until the end of time.”
What’s your point?
Read his post again, it connotes the point.
Yeah, I thought it was pretty straightforward.
Right, so isn’t it irritating that I asked? See, now if I called you guys bitches right now, you would see how I felt.
We’re not complaining, we’re answering your question. Chill out.
First of all, you made a comment with nothing for anyone to follow on to. That is why I asked what your point was. I wasn’t trying to be snarky, I honestly wanted to know exactly what you were driving at. Rando on the other hand DID have a point, which obviously you didn’t get.
Having said that, get the hell off my crappy lawn
*Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!!*
Oh Rando never has a point, come on!!
Sure I do. Some people just don’t like my point, that’s all.
I was kidding you know, right?
I wasn’t on his crappy lawn.
*gasp* You called the lawn crappy. Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
Yeah, and for the record, only *I* can call the lawn crappy. To everyone else, it’s (as Rando would say) pristine! So again, get off the crappy lawn!
I don’t curse people willy nilly, but seriously, do you think your attempt to shut me down was justified? I didn’t call you anything until you got your back up. Maybe you should learn to accept some responsibility for the things (notice I didn’t curse) that are said to you. So if in your mind you want to be a victim, by all means, have at it.
*Jaysus, Mary, and Joseph*
I wasn’t trying to shut you down, I was baffled by the question. I didn’t know what more to say…
If you don’t know what to say but feel you should respond, just post a Bible quote. It makes people more or less lively, it works that way for me in conversations anyway.
You constantly surprise me. I thought I knew you. Who are you!?
I’m just some crazy person. I’m not amazingly stable, especially when I get stressed as I was last week (exams suck), so I tend to be rather unpredictable. As I’ve said before, I rarely understand my own behaviour until later. You probably understand me better than I do to be completely honest.
Actually, you were. You clearly stated that you weren’t talking to me. You probably could have just ignored my comment all together, but to basically say I have nothing to add to the discussion is shutting me down. I’ll admit, I could have left the ‘bitch’ comment off, and I apologize for that. Still, if you don’t understand what someone is asking, either ask them to clarify or ignore them.
Oh, and since I did apologize, I think it should be noted that I got advance notice on the 2nd Coming… keep your eyes peeled.
I usually do just ignore questions when I’m baffled… Thanks for apologizing, I really hate being called a bitch and I was having a bad week anyway. Oh, and I won’t call your lawn crappy anymore… It’s a nice lawn, It’s soooo inviting!
…maybe just one little toe… aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!
*shot-gun clicks*
Nooooooooooooooo!! *runs*
Aw, you can call me a bitch anytime, Eddie. I would never fault anyone for honesty.
*sets up lounge chair on Ed’s lawn and turns on loud music, opens a beer, and sunbathes*
Awww, thanks diss. You know I would only say with lurv, right?
BTW, nice tunes but the beer your drinking is a bit dodgy. Here, have a Toohey’s..
Oooh, thanks!
@9m — you know if you follow #1’s advice and quote the bible just for something to say, i’ll have to dig out the satanic bible {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Bible} and start posting counter quotes
Ok BF, your on! We’ll have a good old fashioned quote-off!
@9m — d@mn, that means i’ll have to read the icky thing!
If that there bible-read-off happens, I might just have to open up the lolcat bible. That is, if I don’t have a huge stack of exams to grade. Which is the teachers’ side of Mina’s stress… *sighs*
Whoops! Sorry! It was No1’s stress. My bad!
@ Mx9
Every race litters as much as any other jackass! I’m sorry, but blaming “teh ebul ileegul alienz” for all our problems is UNACCEPTABLE. BTW, I live in southern California, and guess what? Most of the mexicans I meet are far nicer than plenty of other non-mexican people I’ve met, so CUT IT OUT! Besides, I thought you were against big government and wasteful spending? How is using tax dollars to go around picking up after morons productive? It only validates the behaviour! If you hate litter so much, do something about it. Organize a group pick-up day, help promote public awareness about the problems of littering; anything other than going and crying to the government to fix it! You’re going against your own principals here!
I got news for you sweetheart, you’re an illegal alien.
New Mexico – cleaner than regular Mexico
Ok, what I want to know is how come CF can get away with obvious trolling comment like this but if any one else calls him on it we get ridiculed? Just seems a little bit strange to me. Couldn’t be any kind of double standard, could it? I mean really, ALL republicans are “God-fearing” and destrying Gods creations?
See my above question. There is a huge double standard here. “Trolls” are obviously anyone not a far left Liberal and name calling is the only game they have. So much for intelligent conversation. You’ll be called a Racist next…
Oh, I don’t care, I know I’m not. You’re funny, I like your posts and so do a lot of other posters in here.
Thanks! I just get annoyed at the mentality here. It’s supposed to be about humor.
People tend to get a little pissy whenever politics get involved, unfortunately. Especially recently.
You seem to be doing your fair share of the ‘unfunny’. My suggestion is you practice what you preach.
So Mister “Citemaster”, put your money where your mouth is. Since you challenge my opinion on an opinion page, do your homework, since you stand on your so-called principles. Go back to the creation of the first National Park and run down every piece of legislation that both destroyed natural lands in the name of progress and that preserved natural lands in the name of protection and then lay out the principle individuals involved and demonstrate their liberal or conservative background. Prove my statement wrong. But you need multiple established sources. Please limit your argument to 10 pages, double spaced and post it on a web site that we can all read to verify your sources. and thesis statement.
They see you trollin’, they hatin’
Sure, whatever you say mister I don’t have the guts to use the same name when I post. Troll = but is not limited to someone who uses a different name each time they post to try and sound like they are someone else, or who doesn’t have the cajones to run a track record — uh oh I used an illegal alien word.
Wow-what a troll you are. ( sprays Troll-Rid everywhere). Aren’t you Janes sock puppet? I’ve seen the two of you use the same address and picture. Or are you gonna claim ” I used someone elses computer”. Friggin’ Troll! ESAD as you would say.
They are by no means socks of each other. If you’ve been around long enough to know that sometimes they screw up and use each other’s information, then you’ve been around here long enough to know the reason why.
It’s ok Froo, those of us who know about CF and Jane also know to just shake our heads and laugh.
But on a more serious note… what is it with these newbies poking their heads in and calling us regulars trolls?
Perhaps if the socks posted under the same name everytime we could stop calling them trolls.
Two reasons spring to mind:
- A few regulars have no problem calling newbies they disagree with “socks” as a matter of course. Don’t be surprised when they return the favor.
- Mistakes are fine, but if Jane/CF aren’t following up immediately with a “sorry, this is me” post, then, while the intent may not be there, it certainly looks like socking to an outside observer. (And froo, I don’t think you’re suggesting this, but I can see how your statement would come off as “shut up, the regulars have different rules” to a newbie.)
Actually, I have seen Jane do exactly that. I can only think of one instance when CF actually posted under Jane’s name and immediately corrected it.
Eh, I refrain from using the term socks, I prefer troll as its much more all inclusive. But some of these trolls make it more than apparent that they’re socks. Bringing up personal info that was shared a pages worth of lols back are obviously identity diving.
And I agree with Eddie, I think anyone who mistakes Jane for CF is mainly just skimming over, and not going back to reread when someone comments. Because they always retract and correct their identity.
Yes, Dhoti & Max are both right (there’s a sentence you don’t see that often). The word “sock” has been thrown around way too much lately. We need to save the word “sock” for when we truly believe a troll to be someone’s sock. Troll=/=sock. However, we have had trolls in the not-too-distant past that certainly seemed rather sock-ish.
As far as the newbies go, I think it’s all in the message. I think that if someone comes on here and acts like calling liberals or conservatives various insults is just common sense, then that person is definitely trolling even if they think they’re right. TheOne, I’m talking to you.
And that goes for both sides. I’ve seen liberal trolls that make my skin crawl, just like conservatrolls that do the same. Liberal trolls really leave a bad taste in my mouth because they make my side look bad.
Wow, could you be anymore of a wankstain? Do us a favor and swallow a bit of your Troll-Rid, ok? We call that “Thinning the gene pool.”
Hey, did you pick ROLF because of your idol in the movie the “sound of Music?”
No, no, it’s ROFL, meaning Really Odd Fvcking Loser.
i thought rofl was ‘really OLD fvcking loser’
I’m not a far left liberal and I don’t get called a troll. Your point is invalid.
You post like one!
Why, cause he is a conservative with a brain?
I think Uhoh just proved Mx9 and The One wrong by being a righty and calling a conservative a troll.
MYTH BUSTED!
This feigned indignation thing is really working for you. Run with it. Maybe the liberal media will do a piece on you, and you can save the United States from Socialism…or Fascism…or whatever the right is calling the left nowadays. No one is denying your voice, they are just mocking it. It’s a humor site, stop whining about people who disagree with your political posts.
sorry mmm,mmm,mmm. you seem reasonable. the above comment was meant for TheOne.
Ok, then sorry for my comment above, I’m not trying to start fights or anything…
*whine whine*
Not that I necessarily agree with CF’s blanket statement, but if you take for example Republicans wanting to open up Alaska for drilling while the Democrats are resisting the effort, you might start understanding what he meant. There are other cases as well, but I think you get the gist.
There is a serious misconception that drilling for oil rapes the landscape and whatnot. With horizontal drilling techniques and all of the land-saving measures taken by oil companies nowadays, that’s just not true. I’d be willing to wager that if Alaska was opened up, all you’d be able to see is the pipe taking the oil from there to here.
I think I read somewhere that the caribou actually like the pipeline, that it provides a little heat for them, but I don’t have any cites for that.
Oil drilling tends not to be too bad environmentally, although the support industry did a real job on the surrounding permafrost in Alaska. Not to mention some of the idiots transporting the oil on tankers.
Natural gas mining on the other hand is earning itself a bad name. When an extraction industry poisons the groundwater and aquifers feeding the land over the drilling site, it is not a good thing.
FYI: {http://www.businessandmedia.org/news/2006/news20060419.asp} The article doesn’t say that caribou like the heat, but the pipeline hasn’t had the negative impact that the environmentalists predicted.
OK, I did a little research, and I see that they found ways to protect the tundra from the heavy trucks (I had read that it takes decades to recover from one truck driving over the tundra, once). They have been packing down snow in the winter to make ice roads to protect it. Unfortunately, it seems that global warming is not helping–ice roads do tend to melt. (link, 2007 article) A more recent article in Reuters (June 3, 2009) says that the early melt has played havoc with some drilling work.
Damn global warming, causing the coldest summers on record in some parts of the country!!
Oh wait, that wasn’t your point at all
I don’t have a problem making sure that the environment is protected in our quest to do bigger and better things. The thing I have a problem with is ratcheting down such regulations to the point that you can’t do ANYTHING.
Ice roads can help, but they are very labor intensive to maintain and can be very dangerous, especially with heavily-laden vehicles.
I’m all in favor of opening up Alaska to drilling. However, since we’re talking thousands of miles of pipes, what do you think the end result would be should someone decide to destroy the pipes? Can you imagine the envronmental impact? Just take a look at what happens when a ship carrying oil has an accident.
Well, the Trans-Alaska Pipeline hasn’t been attacked yet, and it hasn’t gotten any more vulnerable since it was built. (I’d argue that the risk of terrorist attack hasn’t really changed much; it’s just switched from primarily eco terrorism to Islamic terrorism.) Wikipedia suggests that, when the pipeline has failed, the environmental damage has been minimal — certainly less than the Exxon Valdez.
And speaking of the Valdez, it was a single-hulled tanker, which may not even be allowed in Alaska any longer. In other words, I think technology’s improving all the time to both decrease the frequency of accidents and decrease their impact when they do happen.
Ok, fair enough. I hope I wasn’t trying to give the impression that I oppose the pipeline, because I don’t. I guess I’m playing Devil’s Advocate?
It’s a fair question either way — no matter what option we choose, or how tough we build it, northern Alaska is a brutal and inhospitable place, and sh!t’s gonna happen.
The pipeline is a great asset. However it requires constant maintenance and struggles against the impact of corrosion. as with all business, they have to balance the costs of wear and tear against the cost of replacement. Businesses track recorord , in general, favors immediate profit over long-term care. On tpo of that, the arctic environment is fragle, so the impact of a spill in the arctic is far greater than elsewhere. While the pipeline hasn’t yet been attacked, it is virtually impossible to safeguard and secure, so it is exccedingly vulnerable to a concerted enemy. Having said that, they have the means to shut it down, but only after the discharge of a large amount of oil into the fragile environment. Regarding ANWR, the proble is that opening up that venue is simply treating the symptom, not the cure.
I don’t think we need to stop at ANWR though. That’s a small fix to a bigger problem. We have a LOT of oil (from reports I’ve heard) offshore, but we can’t drill for it due to the moratorium in place. But apparently it’s ok to send (I think) $2 billion down to Argentina to help THEM drill for oil……
We’ve got oil shale onshore, massive deposits offshore, and God knows what else out there that we’re not allowed to touch because some people are afraid that the habitat of the desert cricket will be endangered. I just wish people would look into the WAY this stuff is done before shooting off their mouths (Not you, Charlie) and realize that advancements are being made literally every day as far as keeping the environment safe while still getting what we need.
I’ve got no problem with looking for more sources of oil — other than ANWR, provided we do so properly, however, oil is bad juju, we need to look forward not back. oil served well in it’s time, but we are smarter than that and need to commit to a sustainable future.
I agree, BUT…….
(and I have a big butt right now, so bear with me)
You can’t force people do to things that aren’t profitable unless you’re living in a completely socialist or communist society, which we aren’t in and probably won’t be in for a long time, if ever.
Wind, solar, and other “green” sources of energy aren’t turning a profit right now because it’s extremely expensive to take a diffuse source and turn it into a concentrated form. The great thing about America and our innovations in the past is that we’ve somehow always been able to act quickly when something runs out. Once it becomes clear (which it really isn’t now) that oil is gone, there will be a mad dash to get something affordable on the market as a “cure”. I do have a lot of faith in the market in that way, because traditionally in the past when something has been forced upon people it hasn’t worked as well as when they’ve figured it out for themselves. R&D is an amazing thing when it happens due to the innovative minds of those who are after the money. (sick, I know, but true. If you make something worthwhile, people will do it)
I can’t support off-shore drilling until they get their acts together with international standards and enforcement for oil tanker design and training of tanker crews. Our fishing industry has take too many hits. The important spawning site have been damaged from fertilizer run-off, pollution, dams and development. In addition, the excessive off-shore fishing levels (some of them international, some of them using damaging dragger nets) have badly damaged the breeding stock of too many species. And I’ve heard that the fish farms may be introducing disease.
The fishing families in Massachusetts keep complaining that their problem is the restrictions on fishing catches, but some reading leads me to believe the situation is a total clusterfisk.
I like my tuna and flounder…and lobster, and don’t want to give them up!
A lot of that stuff that is harmful has been grandfathered in, if I’m remembering correctly. New sites are remarkably clean and environmentally sound. You give Mother Nature enough time to hurricane the old rigs off the map, and you’ll have nothing but the newest, cleanest stuff available, lol.
And I’m sorry, I will always have a problem with the EPA and other organizations (akin to PETA) restricting human life and development on behalf of a minnow
PETA is a gathering of morons, however, “green” isn’t economically feasible because the cards are stacked against it. I don’t have as much faith in the market as you do, because the market is supported by the government, through laws and regulation. Corporate welfare is alive and kickin and as long as the multi-nationals keep exploiting national governments it will continue to do so.
I can tell you that the Greens are alive and well in Australia. One of their leading representatives is the former lead singer from Midnight Oil, Peter Garrett. While I can respect some of the things he has on his agenda, it’s a shame that he is selling out to the Labour Party here.
Man, I liked that band. Good thing someone is doing something about green. We knew about this in the 1970’s and did nothing about it. Why do you think gas was so cheap in the 80’s?
The EPA has done jacksh!t since Christine Todd Whitman quit. She had gonads, unlike those who have had that role since. The EPA is currently rather like OSHA and the food-inspection branch of the FDA. If you cut their budget, and threaten to cut more if they don’t ‘toe the line’, those bureaucrats all rolled over and kiss ass. At least I assume so, given the factory explosions and such that we have had in the past 5 years!
/rant
Sorry, I’ve got a cold, AND this hit a trigger point!
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Oh, and PETA are a bunch of idiots who wouldn’t know logic if it were a dog recently released from Mike Vitt’s property.
/rant again.
>>I think I had better take myself off for a bath!
You should all read ‘Dispossessing the Wilderness: Indian Removal and the Making of the National Parks’ It’ll change your mind, and life.
Libertarians believe the national parks (and all publicly owned land) should be divided up and given away to property owners in proportion to how much property they currently possess.
That way we all have more freedom. I mean obviously not the freedom to enjoy the natural world, but more economic freedom.
I think you’re confusing the Libertarian Party with the Springfield Republican Party (you know, the one with the castle).See here — it’s not exactly a position statement, but if anything, they want to give the national parks to conservation-minded NGOs.
Just for the record, there were poor people of many races displaced by the National Park system. Often times it was involuntary displacement. That being said, the National Parks truly represent one of the best things about America. They don’t always get the money and attention they deserve, and they aren’t always run as well as we might like, but they inspire, me at least, just by being the reserves of natural beauty and awe that they are.
I forgot to mention, he’d also kick McCain’s walker out from under him and go hunting with Sarah Palin!
Actually… Taft put aside more land for national parks than Teddy did.
Just facts.
As i remember it… teddy was pres before FDR… and FDR did the parks due to the depression. So did i get my history wrong or what?
nevermind, google before commenting. he did start it.
Uhm, thank John Muir.