VOW OF POVERTY
VOW OF POVERTY
ur doin it wrong
(Pope Benedict XVI)
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Does the pope take a vow of poverty? I couldn’t find a definitive answer. And doesn’t all his fancy get up belong to the church?
i think the pope him self belongs to the church (thats just a guess based on what you said). but to be honest i have no idea what this caption is talking about.
Nope, the Pope doesn’t take a “vow of poverty”.
That’s something that members of religious orders (monks, friars and nuns) would do.
Actually a vow of poverty does not mean that he should live in poverty, but that he does not own anything, his religious order is the owner of al the material things he uses.
The Pope is not a member of a religious order.
A Pope can be. I’m not sure of this Pope though.
the caption is calling the Pope a vow-breaker (is that a word?) when he did’t even take a vow of poverty.
Yes. Before becoming Pope, if he is not already clergy, he must become ordained. One of the vows of the priesthood is poverty.
Actually, no; friars and monks must take vows of poverty–secular priests do not (they do take vows of celibacy and obedience). His current Holiness was not a monk.
Sorry, you’re wrong. The Catholic encyclopedia disagrees (although it’s really obscure in its wording), as does:
http://www.umsl.edu/services/govdocs/ooh9899/106.htm
Actually, he’s completely correct.
The link says : “Religious priests take vows of chastity, poverty, and obedience. ”
In this context, “Religious” means “member of a religious ORDER – ie, a friar or mok, who is a priest.
Priests do NOT take vows of poverty. monks and nuns do. that is why many times priests can become very rich from people willing their estates to the priest
A priest does not take a vow of poverty. He is allowed to own material possessions, although it is true that the Pope’s vestments et cetera do belong to the Church. There a re vows of Chastity, vows of Service, but not a vow of poverty. A Pope, besides, cannot take a vow of Poverty or Silence or seclusion because he lives for God and His Church. He is meant to be our divinely inspired vessel for the Church’s teaching. The accoutrements and ceremony are commensurate with the dignity of such a servant.
Yes, it does belong to the Church. If it were really his personal property he could sell it and pocket the revenue, or leave it to someone else in his will.
I disagree with a lot the Catholic Church does — QUITE a lot, in fact — but there’s no question they do a lot of charitable work worldwide as well. Selling off their Renaissance relics wouldn’t really accomplish much. Catholicism appeals to people who LIKE for their church to have some bling. The idea that churches should be plain and bland is a Protestant notion.
I agree wholeheartedly there with you. I disagree with the catholic church easily 90% of doctrine. But they do a huge amount of charity, and most of them do a lot of volunteer work too.
Seems to me that most of the bashing is just a way to bash at faith, period. The so called most open minded people don’t want people to choose for themselves. I could be wrong, but that’s what it looks like to me.
While I disagree with it, I get the idea that all the bling is supposed be a human representation of the glory of God/Heaven. Supposed to represent majesty, regality.
Joke time *****
A devout atheist died, and when facing God, told him he was no better than he was, as he could create life and make anything.
Playing along, God told him to demonstrate.
The atheist proceeded to scoop up clouds and things and managed to make a bar of gold. Gold chuckled and said “Great, more asphalt, but that isn’t that hard to do.”
The atheist, in a huff began to work furiously, and angrily said that he could create life. Running around and looking for the elements, he scooped up some dirt when God stopped him and said “See, you can’t do that. You have to make your own dirt. I started with nothing. You are just borrowing.”
I like that joke but if the atheist met god, wouldn’t he not be an atheist anymore?
You would think so, but ain’t that kind of the point of the joke?
Some people will also never learn even if the truth is right there.
I thought the point was that atheists do not see how powerful god is. Nothing to do with acknowledging his existence, just about underestimating his powers.
(I describe myself as agnostic but I have an atheist lifestyle by the way).
I don’t think so, considering that I’d identify as atheist, and the point is defiitely disbelief in the *existence* of any sort of deity.
And while I would disagree with you, I respect you. Know any good jokes that aren’t insulting?
3 Nuns died and are at the pearly gates, St. Peter looks upon them and says “Welcome my sisters, before you may enter, you must each answer a question as a test of faith before being allowed into heaven.”
The first nun steps up and Peter asks: “What was the name of the first man on Earth?”
The nun quickly answered “Adam!”
Then trumpets sounded and the angels sang and the gates swung wide open as that nun was admitted to the great beyond.
The second nun approached and Peter asked “What was the name of the first woman on Earth?”
The second nun swiftly replied “Eve!”
The trumpets sounded, the chorus of angels sang out and the gates swung wide inviting the second nun in.
The third nun, liking her chances of getting in, steps up confidently. Peter smiles and calmly asks “Dear sister, What were the first words Eve said to Adam?”
The nun, shocked by the abstract question, scratched her head and pondered, “That’s a hard one….”
Then the trumpets sounded…. the chorus of angels sang, and the gates….. of course, swung right open….
4 nuns died and were at the pearly gates/ St peter looked upon them and said ‘My sisters, before I let you in, can I ask you if you ever did anything sinful?’. Sister Euphemia said ‘I have to confess, I did look at a man’s penis once’.
St Peter said ‘Sister Euphemia, go and bathe your eyes in the font of holy water behind the gates, to cleanse yourself of your sin’.
Sister Grace then said ‘I have to confess, I did touch a man’s penis once’. St Peter said ‘ Sister Grace, go and wash your hands in the holy font and cleanse yourself of your sins’.
Sister Rose suddenly rushed forward and was stopped by St Peter, who said ‘Sister Rose, why the hurry?’
Sister Rose said ‘I want to gargle with the holy water before Sister Mary sits in it.’
Yes: Did you hear about the circus fire? It was intense.
It’s funny because it’s so corny that it’s painful for another person to hear or read it. You said good jokes that aren’t insulting, and this isn’t insulting, just painful to the one subjected to it. lol
What’s an atheist lifestyle?
There is no such thing as an atheistic lifestyle. Guy is making stuff up.
All atheism entails is that you don’t believe in god. A-theism. Without a belief in god. Interchangeable.
There is no lifestyle attached. That’s what separates atheism from religion.
“I thought the point was that atheists do not see how powerful god is. Nothing to do with acknowledging his existence, just about underestimating his powers.”
Wow… Who taught you that? Seek them up. Seek and destroy. :p
An athiest was walking through the woods when he encountered a bear. He began to run as the bear chased him. The bear continued to get close and closer. Finally, the bear caught the athiest and was about to swipe his claw at the athiest for a feast. During this time the athiest began to pray that God would make him Catholic and to spare his life. God said to the athiest that since he didn’t believe with his whole heart that he would not grant this. So the athiest asked God if he could make the bear Catholic. So God made the bear Catholic and the bear began to pray saying “Thank you God for the food I am about to receive in Jesus’ name..Amen”
Shouldn’t that be “the baer”, “Catohlic” and “Dog”?
So what if God can make life, that doesn’t make Him/Her BETTER than me! If God gave us free will, He/She would qualify as the biggest prick in the world for then deciding that we have to believe what he does just because he says so. Yes, I have thought about this. Besides, Hell sounds like a lot more fun if Heaven is populated by a bunch of religious fundies, and I might even get a chance to kick Hitler in the balls, that would be AWSOME! I personally find the ancient Greek version of the afterlife the best.
Dude. You are arguing with a joke. FFS.
A rather unilateral joke, so why not.
Hell != Fun.
I’d prefer the first circle of hell if it were true. Just peaceful and melancholy.
Don’t take my word for this, but test everything I say to see if it is true. God commands you to do only those things which are ultimately going to lead you to getting the happiness you want. Everything He tells you not to do is because He knows it won’t lead you to happiness. He doesn’t give you commandments because He wants to control you but because He wants to free you from fear. He’s better than the best of parents, and good parents give their children boundaries so that they know where they can safely roam free.
the catholic church does NOT do charitable work. they make pitiful gestures in exchange for brain washing the unclean. terrible!
You are absolutely right. What belongs to the person of pope, nothing. But, pope is also a ordained catholic priest, and he has taken vow of poverty. He has no personal wealth.
For the last time, priests DO NOT take vows of poverty. Only religious (friars and monks and brothers and nuns and sisters) take them.
SOME friars/monks/brothers are also priests, but not all; there are lay friars/monks/brothers as well.
That depends. If the pope is a diocesan priest he didn’t take a vow of poverty per se, they are bound, by their state in life, to live simply and frugally.
Now, if he is a member of a religious order that requires a vow of poverty, then he did take such a vow.
Either way, imagine how much good could be done with the money wasted on the trappings of the church.
If a member of a religious order is elected Pope, he is released from his vows to that order.
the more appropriate question is, why doesn’t the church take a vow of property. All that stuff made of gold all belongs to the church. I am pretty sure priests are supposed to live simply and frugally. So really, a better, more factually accurate caption would be (Living Simply and Frugally: Ur doin it wrong). Nevertheless, I think the caption’s point is that for being champions of the poor, they sure have a lot of stuff, and the poor still don’t have a lot of food. I don’t think the Vatican should be hoarding all that stuff. However, it would be foolish to sell that stuff. That would be a one time injection of cash that wouldn’t really help anything long term. They ought to be making monetary gain from it by loaning their relics to research institutions(or rich people that want something unique on their wall) in exchange for cash (which goes to fight poverty somewhere provided the church is not totally corrupt…which I don’t think they are. There is a certain amount of corruption in any large organization, but I think the vatican is no better or worse than any other organization.) This way, they keep their assets, but can essentially be using the “interest” on these assets as cash for doing good works. It would work like a University’s endowment…basically a giant bank account that provides constant cash flow for the church. The pope should not be wearing his mitre. It should be on display at a museum for 5k a week. Thats just my opinion, and I am an atheist, so maybe I am biased.
That’s certainly a more sensible suggestion that I usually see as to what the Vatican should do with its wealth. FYI, a lot of it is in museums in Rome, and many objects of historical/artistic value are lent out to other museums around the world.
The Catholic Church is already the second largest giver of charity in the world. Unless you’re the first, you should be taking advice from them in that topic, rather than giving it.
The Catholic church has a lot more capital than I do. I won’t go into the illicit methods by which they acquired much of that wealth, but I will just say that fraud is the least of their crimes. If I had as much capital as the Catholic church, I guarantee you I would be much more efficient in my distribution of charity. By simply not spending half my charity money purchasing bibles for the poor instead of things like food and clothing, I would be able to save millions a year and give charity to people who don’t want bibles as well. When I have billions of dollars in assets, and you don’t see on top of the charitable donations lists, you can tell me to stop giving advice. Until then, SHHHHHH, your just making yourself look dumb by suggesting that people that aren’t rich shouldn’t be able to provide opinion on how the rich should distribute their charity.
The illicit methods by which they acquired much of that wealth? Seriously? You really think the Catholic Church is living on spoils from the Middle Ages? The papacy in the Middle Ages was corrupt and had become a secular institution, yes, but saying that the modern charity of the Church is at fault for that is…unbelievable. Would you say that the British Museum’s exhibits aren’t worth much because of the means by which those exhibits were acquired centuries ago?
People like you make me angry. Confident in your own superiority over everyone else on the planet, you calmly deride everyone who dares disagree with your opinions because you have figured out every last secret of the universe. I deny that “religion is dumb”, and I say that instead, you are dumb for saying that anyone else is dumb for believing in something that no one can prove or disprove. Disprove God. You can’t. Prove God. I can’t. Why would you say I am dumb for maintaining that a reasonable possibility exists for the existence of a higher power, when you can prove your position no more than I can prove mine?
I can guarantee that the average participating member in the Catholic Church does more volunteer work in a week than you do in a month. So much of the money the Church has goes to helping the poor, yet all you can do is sit comfortably at your computer eating potato chips and heaping condescension on religion and those who follow it. And all this while Catholics are in the troubled areas of the world, volunteering their time and their lives to help other people.
I wouldn’t say you’re dumb for believing in a deity that can’t be proven or disproven, as you may very well be quite an intelligent person, but I just simply want to say that most atheists, such as myself, don’t believe the possibility/probability of a deity existing is reasonably high (high enough to warrant a personal belief in a deity). The degree of reasonability of a deity’s existence varies with each person.
Dang, you make so much sense, sometimes it hurts…
Yeah, you’re biased.
Since this fact doesn’t seem to have been brought up yet, I thought I’d interject. The reason that the church has so many things made out of gold is simply because in worshiping God, we need to give him the best at our disposal. The Pope’s garments and ornaments are symbols of his office. It essentially serves the same purpose as a uniform. Also, display of church relics or holy items for any kind of monetary compensation is a sacrilege.
The Pope, as with any secular diocesean priest (on belonging to a religious order) does not take a vow of poverty. That being said, most of the Pope’s vestments along with his apartment, furnishings, etc… are the property of the Church.
The Pope, and every other priests who is not a member of a specific order, does not, i repeat does NOT, take a vow of poverty, this is a common misconception. Priests (and in turn the pope) take 3 specific vows if they are ordained out side of a specific order, they take the vow of Obedience, Prayer, and Chastity. if you are in an order (such as the Franciscans or Dominicans) then you take a vow of Poverty Chastity and obedience. I can not stress this enough, if you are a member of a specific order you are NOT the same as a member of the clergy. It is ENTIRELY different.
Yes, the pope has no personal possesions.
That arm…
It brings back deja vu…
Is he demonstrating his Hitler youth experience?
No he was a roman legionary back in the days. I know, because I know!
I find him a strong resemblence with darth sidious though.
No, he was in the Hitler youth. It was compulsory. Or were you being sarcastic? I cannot always interpret the intent
Hmm, let’s hear it for sarcasm:
1)Look at my Avatar and see why I know!
2) Is Ratzinger old enough to have been a roman legionary?
3) In case your answer to 2) is “no”, see –>1)
Three cheers for sarcasm
Free beers for Sarkozy!
Three bottles of good French wine, more likely!
(I would help him finish them, if he asked)
I would help him finish them if he didn’t ask either. LOL
Godwin’s Law– Game OVER.
Benedict XVI is not part of an order that takes a vow of poverty.
Also, Benedict was no more a Nazi in his youth than anyone registering for the draft is a member of our military forces.
I will grant that he’s a little scary looking.
I don’t know whether or not he was in the Hitler youth or not, it doesn’t matter. Tons of Germans were in the Hitler youth, they were like the boy scouts are here, and they were not necessarily nazis. Besides, plenty of real nazis have gone on to do great things after WWII, I’m not defending them, I just don’t think most of the nazis really still believed Hitler’s ideas after he killed himself and the war ended.
Quite correct. If you were a German you were near obliged to join the Nazi Party. If you wanted to increase your social standing or job position you needed to be a member in good standing of the Nazi Party. That’s why most people joined. Many of them didn’t believe in the policies, but joined because it was a passport to a better life. It was largely an Allied misconception that Germans=Nazis. Of course the truth is never simple and in this case it isn’t. (Take the case of Spike Milligan who was deemed to be a communist largely because he joined the Communist Party in Italy. However the truth was that at the time he joined the communist party, he and the other three in the Bill Hall Trio were nearly penniless as they were not paid for a long period of time. So as a solution Bill Hall found out that the Communist Party were rewarding all new members with a free meal. Being hungry and penniless they took the option.)
In this vein, I’ve just been reading the autobiography of a man who joined the HitlerJungend in order to get free flying lessons.
That’s the nasty bit about the Nazi Party. They didn’t make it illegal not to join, but they made life bloody difficult for you if you weren’t a member. So most Germans became members even though they didn’t believe in the policies because life was made much easier that way.
IS HIS FINGER FLOATING!!!!
Is that a question?
sounds like an exclamation, like rawr is shocked at the degree to which the finger is floating
Combo breaker!
fail!!!
Not all religious orders require a vow of poverty. Still, I have no respect for a faith that says the citizens of the United States should pay for health care for all comers when they are sitting on lots of priceless art.
You want it, you pay for it! Surely those people and their eternal souls are worth more than material goods. Let’s see how much they care about people when it is their money!
FFS!
mention healthcare again on a completely and totally unrelated LOL and you will get punched in the face.
and i don’t mean over the internet. i mean, someone will hack the PK timelogs and get your IP, which will then be tracked to your location and then anyone at that location will be punched in the face just to assure that we got you too.
Warning: That comment of yours could be interpreted as a threat that could lead up to powermuffin sueing you.
i’d like to see powermuffin try. i’m pretty sure i’ve got jane, lowly grunt, eddie, rando, tygor and several others who will readily back me on this one.
if you wanna bitch about healthcare at least do it where it’s mildly appropriate (i.e. the wilson vs kanye threads). this is about the fecking POPE… nothing to do with american healthcare or obama or anything else like that.
it’s getting goddamned annoying coming here and just seeing random asses spewing shit about healthcare on ANYTHING. yeah, we get it… you don’t like it. but there’s a time and a place.
Conclusion: You don’t have to tell me, I agreed with you in the first place, that above was just my inner lawyer speaking.
i’m well aware it was inner-lawyer speak. but i’ve also got a few really good lawyers phone numbers saved in my phone.
if powermuffin tried to be a douche about things i’d punch him/her in the face again and then call my lawyers.
You’d even punch him if he was a her?
yep… twice. once in the face and once in the baby maker. chlorine in the gene pool and all…
We may not hit a girl, but we’ll beat a bitch’s ass….
whoaa welcome to the club then, most people don’t understand when i batter and bludgeon my wife, you guys are just like me then!
Dick.
i got your back shortright. and i played a lawyer on TV!
I’m not a lawyer, but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Select last night.
Here’s me!!
I’ve brought along my uncle’s angus cow mama, too, so watch out!!
Seriously, though, the health care reform “debate” has been done to death.
i love that you brought the cow.
Well, she was really pissed off at my uncle. Someone had to separate the two.
For what it’s worth- I’d readily back you on this one too. Time and place people, seriously.
yay! welcome to the club. anyone against asinine healthcare trolling is a friend of mine (for now).
Yay for new for now friends! Now then, on to serious business… isn’t this the group that regularly has cookies???
diss is usually responsible for the cookies. it’s part of the mom in her.
i tend to bring boobs, sarcasm, vulgarity and a certain juvenile whimsy to the party.
You guys want oatmeal or chocolate chip?
do the oatmeal ones have cinnamon and raisins??? *grins expectantly*
Weeell, I don’t usually do raisins, but I can if you want ‘em. Or how about Peanut Butter Oatmeal Chocolate Chip?
gimme the 10lb weight… i’ll just staple it to my ass and get it over with now.
BRING ON THE PBOCC COOKIES!! NOM NOM NOM!!
*drool
And I bring a sense of juvenile familiarity and deja vu that you know you all miss.
Something like that, right?
-Steals the hidden cookie ingredients and makes his own batch-
20 years martial arts experience here Shortright…I got yer back.
(puts on dark glasses and menacing look and hooks up earpiece)
if you don’t have the black suit and the skinny tie i’m not convinced you’re a real martial artist.
That tap on your shoulder just then….that was me. That one on your….other shoulder…..me too. This is fun.
Be convinced.
Hope you like the fresh ice in your drink. Whoops…how’d that get there?
Sign me up! I’ll gladly help with the face-punching.
*hands brass knuckles to shortsight*
Oooooh yeah. I’ve got your back on that one. So. Sick. Of. Health. Care.
it seems we’ve got a pretty good sized anti-healthcare militia forming up…
me, froo, wallfly, lowly grunt, mina, diss, brak, isildo, helonwheels, rando… we could do DAMAGE.
Lol…probably should make that “anti-discussion-of-healthcare militia”!
AND me.
I’m ready anytime, shorty!
i’m just gonna ignore that double entendre…
Health Care.
(My protest against oppression)
ZOMG HEALTHCARE! Make the Pope pay for it!
Why shouldn’t the United States pay for health care for all comers? It provides defense, roads, postal services, air traffic control, environmental protection, civil and criminal justice for all comers. What’s so special about health care?
Tell you what: I’d privatize the postal service in exchange for public health care in an instant. So would the pope, I imagine.
Statement: DO NOT REPLY TO ABOVE COMMENT!
*attempts to distract everyone from….that topic*
Look! Over there! It’s a monkey leading a chicken on a leash, I swear it is!
wow, a leash!
can that monkey come over to my house? we need the dogs walked a few times every day while at the office…
Good idea. I’ll tell him you have cookies.
i better whip up a batch then…
Are you sure that’s not an iguana? That the monkey’s leading, I mean.
Speaking of chickens, did you guys hear about the news anchor who probably meant to say “keep plucking that chicken”, but didn’t? hehe.
i DID! i’m sure he got a nice little fine and some interesting office decorations the next day!
Yes! The look on the face of the female co-anchor sitting next to him is priceless!
Linky. (Audio somewhat NSFW, duh!)
Could her reaction have been any bigger??!?!! And he has NO CLUE what he just said, either!!!
If I worked at the FCC, I’d send him a bouquet of feathers!!!
Thanks for that!!!
And a new Internet meme is born…
I swear I’m going to punch you in the dick.
1. Right, because the U.S. Government doesn’t own any priceless art. (They do.)
2. Right, because the Catholic Church has never run hospitals or given medical care to the poor. (Hello? The Catholic Church INVENTED free healthcare in the Middle Ages.)
3. Selling the art = one-time cash infusion. When that money is gone, then the Vatican has no more money than usual to give to the poor of the next generation, plus now they have no art.
4. Someone has to buy the art–someone who is then not giving their money to the poor.
Are you high right now?
Most evil face in the universe?
I was just thinking that! Good lord, that man is creepy-looking! And he looks that way in EVERY picture I’ve ever seen of him. Even if I didn’t know his rather odious background, I’d still find him disturbing just because of that evil “I eat babies for breakfast” expression of his. Is he a Sith Lord or what? Sheesh!
Yes! Meh such a mistaken faith with so many wrong things. The way I have to look at it though is that you can’t call a person bad if they try doing the best the know how with the faith they got. I know that’s not what y’all were talking about, but I’m derailing
It’s one thing to be the best catholic in the world and another thing to say you are one and then molest children as a priest (as I’m sure that’s not part of their faith).
It’s between him and Dick Cheney. Cheney has the evil leer, but the Pontiff has the satanic eye sockets from hell.
…Ah…yes. Bashing Roman Catholics. Still the one acceptable prejudice.
ehm, correction: he’s a german catholic.
Correction to the correction: He’s German AND Roman Catholic.
question: has he got double nationality?
Answer: Seeing how Roman Catholic is a religious affiliation, not a nationality, he doesn’t need dual citizenship to be both German and Roman Catholic.
Correction: The pope himself, as well as his followers, don’t call themselves “roman catholic” but simply “catholic”. In case of disbelief, you can look that up here:
ht tp://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13121a.htm
Actually, Roman Catholics are perfectly happy to call themselves “Roman Catholic” and will answer to that description. By default, they usually just say “Catholic” though, since it’s usually sufficient in the same way that “American” is usually enough to tell you what country someone is from.
That’s based on being raised and confirmed Catholic, incidentally.
Where I live nobody says “roman catholic”, seems that this term is only used in english-speaking countries.
That’s because the Anglican Church considers itself to be Catholic, even though it is not Roman Catholic. There are other ecclesial bodies that consider themselves to be Catholic, but not under obedience to the Bishop of Rome, such as churches of the Union of Utrecht.
Right, and it’s the anglicans that call the others “roman catholics”. They don’t call themselves that. At least not in France or Germany or Belgium etc.
Regardless- we need some other religions up there. Those Jehovah’s Witnesses scare me!
The Anglican Church, known in America as the Episcopal church, considers itself catholic, not Catholic. The capitalization indicates the religion of Roman Catholicism, under the Pope. The word “catholic” means “universal,” “all inclusive,” and “free from prejudice.”
Google define: is my friend.
Catholic has two branches. Orthodox Catholic and Roman Catholic. I am a Roman Catholic that lives in America. Catholic is usually just said because Orthdox Cathlolic is a eastern Europe & Asia thing for the most part now adays.
Ah, thank you. I forgot about the Orthodox church.
Isildo wins! I learned about this in history class while attending a Catholic university (I’m not Catholic myself however). If memory serves, before the protestants, it was all the catholic church, but after the church started breaking off denominations, it became the capitalized Roman Catholic church. The capitalization makes a big difference.
That explains the Nazi salute he’s giving!
Information: That salute was used long before the nazis.
Acknowledgement: I’ll win today’s pedantry award!
No, actually… from now on, when I see a small child wave, I will compliment her parents on the nazi-like character of the gesture.
Truth. Actually, before WWII, that’s how Americans saluted the flag. When Nazi Germany started doing it, Americans switched to avoid association.
Did you know that salute was created by a devout socialist? Francis Bellamy, and his cousin Edward wrote a book in 1889 about falling asleep and waking up in the year 2000, to find that America was this great socialist paradise. (A very racist socialist one)
Correction: That salute was used long before Bellamy.
I humbly bow to you sir. I stated that wrong. It has existed long before Bellamy, but was first used in the US as a salute to the Flag, part of the Pledge of Allegiance, which he did write.
Agreement: I agree! He even used socialist swastikas.
Yeppers. Ironic. Like a black fly in your Chardonnay.
i thought it was firmly established above he was a legionaire? or darth sidious….
He was a legionary when he was young. Now he’s a german catholic.
Yea! The two remaining minorities you can still spill your prejudice on without being polically incorrect: Catholics and Germans! In one package! Fire away!
You are such an idiot…
Politeness win!
Oh yeah, ’cause NOBODY’S bashing atheists. *eyeroll*
Oh look lots of religious bigotry wrapped up in “open mindedness” looks like it’s another religious LOL
yup
Yup. And everyone knows people with deep set eyes are TEH EVUL
Pope does not take a vow of poverty. That is confined to monastic orders. Note best selling author and secular priest Andrew Greeley who’s gotten rich on bad novels. They all DO take a vow of celibacy, however. Not not working out as well as could be hoped. As for the pageantry and massive treasures, most of it was inherited from Renaissance popes. Modern popes have taken the “curator” stance, but, for my taste, a lot of what is spent on the hoopla could be better spent on human needs. St. Francis has probably moved out of the Catholic section of Heaven by now to spend eternity in the section reserved for Shakers. “Tis a gift to be simple…”
The Pope must be ordained a priest before assuming the papacy. Priests take vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience.
Monks take vows of obedience, stability, and fidelity, I think. The fidelity covers the poverty since it’s faithfulness the monastic rules (one of which is poverty).
You’re right about the papal bling, though: it’s not his, he’s just borrowing it. So while it may be an amusing caption, it’s not really fair to Benedict (as much as I dislike him, personally).
You are wrong, priests do NOT take vows of poverty, but yes on the obediance and chastity. In case you’re wondering how I know this, my brother is going to be a priest in a few months.
Haha, your lie is revealed by your own comment:
Everybody knows that priests are not allowed to have sisters, so there’s no way your brother could become a priest!
But isn’t “brother” another name for members of a religious order? So her “brother” could totally become a priest. That is if she even has a brother. I think she’s making that part up so she can illustrate her point.
I could have sworn I have seen this exact LOL one month ago. Are we recycling them now?
Not only that, the Pope never actually bought all those stuff, the church had them for him. If anything, blame the churches who spend money on extravagant things. HOWEVER, you can liken the beautification of the church to the making museums and zoos spending money to make them more attractive to their prospective customers. And I think churches spend more money on charitable deeds than superficial ones…then again, I am not sure about that one, to be honest.
you’re actually quite right. Just take a look at the quarterly reports for all the charities and groups that are supported. Here’s a place to start Catholic Charities
The pope did buy those fancy red loafers, though, which are hand-made for him. (link) I’d love to be able to do that–then I wouldn’t have trouble finding shoes that actually fit properly!
heh. It’s always about shoes with you girls.
This girl doesn’t want to have foot surgery in her later years!
The difference being you don’t often see gold plating and precious gems encrusting the primate houses at the zoo.
Even Jesus said “The poor will always be with us”. Say what you want about the art work and valuables owned by the Church. No other denomination in the world comes as close as the Catholic Church does in helping the poor and oppressed. I welcome you to check out the site for Catholic Relief Services http://www.crs.org; Catholic Legal Immigration Network http://www.cliniglegal.org; Catholic Campaign for Human Development http://www.usccb.org/cchd; and on that note, the myriad of other social justice causes advocated by the church – many can be found under the Social Justice link on the website for the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops http://www.usccb.org.
You can say as many nasty things as you want about Catholics, but you often never know that it was a Catholic organization that gave out free lunches to your inner city poor, held your hand before you entered surgery, helped a 19 year old mother after her husband was deported, or provided food clothing and family locative services after a tsunami. And we will still be there, quietly helping you in the future, after you mock us.
quiet? i’m not so sure you could say the church is quiet about anything.
i do agree they’re helpful, some of the work they do is great, but they also do (and have done) some pretty heinous things, therefore they are fully valid targets of humor. lighten up
There we go, someone’s cast the first stone!
Hang on!! There aren’t any WOMEN here are there
Oh yeah, that “condoms are evil” thing was a BIG help.
religion = shit
That’s very closed-minded of you.
math: x = -d
That’s just your breath. Ever hear of Listerene?
“ur doin it wrong”
*headdesk*
*racks shotgun*
BACK to Lolcats with that language! Back, I say!
I have a 78 GMC Cammo pickup and a case of ammo. Can I help?
Absolutely! We must rid PK of the Zombie LolSpeak Menace….
Ok, but it only gets 9 MPG. We must pass the hat for gas money. BIG FREAKING 4 BARREL. Yeah man, this is a 3/4 ton truck. Real steel! One Zombie killing machine. Even has those wide towing mirrors that can be used to decapitate trolls too! (Not BT, we love him, have a place in the bed to mount a .50 for him)
Let me get this straight. You are volunteering your truck for zombie killing missions but it will run out of gas??!?!?!?!
Uh, good luck! *nails door shut*
We’ll just set up base at the gas station.
Oh, okay. But I’m only going out when there is a full tank.
i have an idea. (this is how all the good stories start, right?)
we can run a 750′ hose directly into the tank of the truck. the other end of the hose is attached to the gas pump. we’ll have a limited range on the zombie killing missions but the 750′ surrounding the gas station will be zombie free.
now if one of those bastards cuts the hose… we’re screwed. but we should have enough gas to get back to base then we’ve just gotta duct tape the hose back together and we’re good to go.
You do know that “watch this” is often a person’s last words?
Well, I suppose. But I tell you, if we’re beyond the 750′ perimeter when we run out of gas and the zombies chase us, I’m tripping justacrolinian.
HEY. Oh, yeah. You don’t have to be the fastest, just faster than the slowest. Gee, thanks.
It does have one of those huge 22 gallon fuel tanks. With BT on the .50, I think we stand a good chance.
Hee! I knew you’d be a good sport about that. I’m still tripping you.
Where is BT? Haven’t seen our slimy lil’ fella around for a while now.
Under his bridge making custom loads of .50. We are trying the rat shot loads on ole bertha. Every 3rd round will be one. We will have armor piercing, tracer, rat shot. Just to be effective. And if we run out of gas, we can use the recoil to get us home!
{double knots Die Hard slip resistant shoes, puts silly string in pocket}
this is starting to sound a lot like something data in then goonies would come up with.
I LIKE IT!
“slick shoes!”
*then = the
You can say as many nasty things as you want about Catholics, but you often never know that it was a Catholic organization that gave out free lunches to your inner city poor, held your hand before you entered surgery, helped a 19 year old mother after her husband was deported, or provided food clothing and family locative services after a tsunami. And we will still be there, quietly helping you in the future, after you mock us.
That’s right, and the reason you never know is because Catholic relief organizations provide help without the heavy proselytizing that evangelicals attach to everything they do.
The Catholic church is anything but quiet in Massachusetts. I do not mind at all their publication of the good works they do. But I would rather that they stayed out of government affairs, since there are those of us who are not Catholic, who also live in this state!
Not to be argumentative, viking gal, but are those catholics of the conservative stripe? I was on another site the other day and someone made the pertinent distinction that an individual had described himself as a conservative catholic. He was a conservative first and was wrapping catholicism around that flagpole instead of the other way around.
I think that was a brilliant observation and one that often gets left in the dust.
It isn’t only RC’s that do that.
It is a good observation, but I was referring to the official Catholic types. Cardinal O’Malley and company. The Church hierarchy is welcome to speak to their flock of course, but I don’t want them criticizing my elected officials for not following Catholic teachings…especially when said officials are not Catholic.
blah blah blah blah…
heavy proselytizing? the crusades, the inquisition, the holocaust… naw, those weren’t heavy proselytizing movements at all…
the holocaust?
or lack of involvement thereof/therein/wheresoforas/inasmuchas/nevermore
They were persecuted, too. If Ratzinger had said anything he and his family would have been in front of an SS firing squad.
jl5691426 is talking about Catholics (the people). You are attacking Catholicism (the religion).
Vow of poverty or not, I remember the current pope recently criticized the people of wealthier nations for being too materialistic when no one lives in more opulence than he does. He does not practice what he preaches. I also remember that Bernard Law (the worst priest pedophile enabler) presided over the last pope’s funeral, whereas any lay person who divulged the bickering of the resulting papal selection process would be excommunicated. Hypocrisy is not the exception, it is the rule.
Bernard Law did not preside over John Paul II’s funeral, Ratzinger(Benedict) did.
Scariest looking. Pope. Ever.
One thing good about Catholics these days is that you can call their Holy Father a Nazi, Sith Lord, hypocrite, and pedophile-defender… and not get yourself on the Schedule for Deletion by Loss of Noggin. It would really wake me up if a lol about a leader in a certain other religion got our business.
Yup…bash Christians in general (Catholics especially), their leaders, including their God, and of course their beliefs. No problem.
However, I still remember having a class canceled because of a bomb threat sent to the publisher for whom the instructor worked.
Sorry…they handled the works of Salman Rushdie.
Now, if it had been Stephanie Meyer’s publisher, I could see that…
You are now one of my favorite people on the planet.
Christians are a majority in America and have become increasingly political over time, if you don’t want to be made fun of give up that position and leave politics alone. Besides, you gotta admit, the pope just looks creepy.
P.S. No one is bashing you for your beliefs, except for the ones that advocate hate and violence.
We still hear more about violence in the name of Islam than in the name of Catholicism.
The pope can be heavily criticized, but he doesn’t seem to be affecting our lives too much.
only in the last 50 yrs or so – before that, a lot of violence world over was done in the name of christianity, regardless of the specific label
Some people just want to kill everoyne who doesn’t agree with them, if using their religion as a justification works, they’ll do it. I would hardly consider these wackos religious in any real way…
Priests don’t take vows of poverty. Maybe some orders, and monks, but not all priests. Nuns do. of course.
Naturally–they are women! *sighs*
**In the Voice of Father Jack from Father Ted**
“Arrrgh Fecking Nuns!!!”
So… that staff he has with the dying Jesus hanging off of it is sort of….. morbid. I don’t know if I could walk around with a miniature little dying man strapped to the top of my cane. That seems like something a villian would have. And the more I look at it, the creepier it gets.
We think the same of you.
Doogie, i will take this opportunity to remind you that you have no wit, arguing skill, your combacks are little more than 3rd grade insults, and I haven’t see yet where you ahave added anything to any topic that did anything more than all low brow humor or sexists comments. You and other may not care for me, and thats fine, I think the same right back at you, however, I at least have the capibility to explain myself with better than four letter words, which is far more than I can ask of you. Shouldn’t you be off “payin yur buck o five to protect yer freedums” or something?
As opposed to your arrogant remarks? Sheesh, we all humbly bow to the pwnage of your intelligence. Not.
Thanks. I think I’m a Maverick too. Got any other one worders you want to use 200 times? I can tell you’re very creative, and obviously are part of the solution and not the problem.
*rawr* You has a mad. A tiny one. {yawn}
I am not mad. Just like watching you show your rear. Maybe your little one liners will “sure show me” but I doubt it.
Not at all, nothing can compare to the great superiority (complex) of the one and only VICTORY NOT VENGANCE! Loved by all, feared by all, even when finger are sore!
Yeah! You talk that trash! Show the internets who’s boss! Your insults are supreme! If only I could be cool like you! I’m just kidding. You really only have one insult. Its not even any good. You keep trying, but you keep failing. You know, with people like you around to compare me to, no wonder I seem to superior. lol!
Sigh.
*walks into front yard and turns the hose on Justacarolinian and VictoryNotVengeance*
*plays in the water*
Hey, I know how to stop a fight.
Nothing like a water hose to make me forget about political siding and make me feel like I was 5 again. Oh to be young and just not know to know better…
Agreed.
It’s Friday. It’s raining here. I have tooooo much work to do today. I don’t wanna fight (even if I am a bloodthirsty ‘merican, lol); I wanna have some FUN!
ACK! Aw, man, water got in my ear! I’ve got tubes! Not cool, guys!
VNV, You simply never noticed me. I am not on here every day, but I am here often. And for weeks now, all I see is you bashing not me, but everyone that doesn’t tote your line. And even some people who are on your end of the spectrum. Some of which are calling you on it.
If you are half as smart as you profess to be, we have all met God.
JAC needs to be hosed down a little more I think. Let it rip, diss!
And if using the hose is how you stop fights, then we need charro, Jane, & shortright to fight on here right. now.
and throw in captain wow too! and some pudding! LOTS OF PUDDING
Yup. Looks like they took a vow of intellectual poverty.
Your addition welcomes you to the club!
sounds like keith won this one…
By showing up with another one liner insult. wow. the people on this board have in interesting sense of “won”
Just because people on this board get into serious discussions doesn’t mean we aren’t here to be entertained. It’s IS a lol site. Chill out VNV.
I so agree. In fact, I actually try to avoid serious discussion. Yes, I have had a couple of long winded “arrogant” (to be read Maverick) rants in the last few days, but I have been using this sights for probably a year. I would much rather make light hearted jokes, but now it seems I have a little hate club thats going to troll me no matter what I write. Now I am just letting the river lead me, and where it leads shall in time be revealed.
River? Oh, hell…I left the hose running.
No one is ranting on you VNV. Just getting bored with your boasting of how you bash everyone so well. Seems you can’t do anything lately but bash. We all welcome some good humor and thoughtful input.
{puts nonskid shoes on to play in the water}
Nyana Nyanya Naa Naa!
on the interwebs a site is a place you visit and a sight is something you see…
as for your arrogant/maverick whatever shtick… keep preaching and expect people to throw tomatoes at you just to see if they can get you to shut up. say funny quotes and people will laugh with you…
Hey carolinian,
I have never seen you write anything before until it was in responce to me. And since you obviously didn’t read anything but my responce to my troll club, you wouldn’t know what I talk about. So if you don’t want to get “bashed” as you seem to think is my hobby now, although I hardly ever talk about anything other than government policy, corporate america, and social movements, don’t respond to my posts with one liner insults. Or any insults that aren’t a contructive addition to my conversation. Then you won’t have to worry about what I have said or done recently, because i won’t have to respond to your childishness. So, we got “bash” and “arrogant”. I wonder how many more hot button key phrases will be picked up and used over and over?
Thanks for your addition ubr. I see that your post was preachy and not funny. I guess we are more alike than you thought!
notice how i did not tell you to stop preaching, but rather that if you do preach you will be ridiculed. see how that works? i explain the consequences of your actions and you get to decide what you want to do…
I have know the consequences of my actions for a long time. I do not care about being rediculed. When I get on a point thats important, I say what I feel I must say. Its the same with everyone else. The “problem” exists when I make a comment and some of the little hate trolls out there try to start a fight. Scroll on up and look how this threat started. I made a joke about the pope’s oh so creepy staff. It wasn’t preachy. It may not have been as hilarious a Doogie’s mom, but it was a joke. I didn’t ask for the trolls to start leeching on and using their new key word. And I didn’t need any explinations of why they do it. I know very well why they do it. But I am not going to be told to change what I am doing or to stop “fighting” if I am not fighting at all. To the trolls, the only thing that is important is that they get the last insult and they use thier buzzword. Its never about solving any of the problems that sometimes these lol’s bring out. And when people try to “help” me by letting me know what they consider to be my “flaws” it still doesn’t help the situation. All in all, I would rather just sit back and watch the lol’s, but since none of them are funny, and only the trolls are out, I entertain myself the best way I know how.
“troll club”
Am I the only one who finds that just a little funny???
if you would rather sit back and enjoy the lolz please stop posting your thesis on what is wrong with internet forums.
as for the trolls, you seem to be louder when you are attacking them than they are when attacking you… in short, if you don’t want to be hated, act nicely.
Especially since the whole point of the crucifixion was the resurrection. That’s why protestants just hang the cross minus the man.
That didn’t come out quite right…..
Nope, I’m afraid not. Or it did, and I failed to understand it.
Thats just it I think. I would be ok with a staff with a cross at the tip, but that looks like a highly detailed hanging Christ. I mean, I am not saying they should be all Buddy Christing it, and I understand the symbolism of somone dying for the worlds sins, but would I want him hanging inches away from my head all day? I’m just not so sure.
Ok, much as I hate to admit it, the idea of Benedict with “Buddy Christ” on a staff keeps making me giggle.
diss!
ubr! Hey — *waves*
Gotta get back to work now. It’s such fun bein’ a capitalist tool…*repeated headdesk*
I am not running home to watch that movie for the millionth time. ^_^
Ah, Catholics making fun of Catholics. Good times, good times…
not= now
is it time to go yet??? >_<
There were Catholics in there?
In Dogma? Technically Kevin Smith is Catholic.
The only reason I saw it in the first place was because my Sunday school teacher spent our hour long class ranting about how it was blasphemy and blah blah blah. It led to everyone in the CYO going to see it together. LOL
Dead jew on a stick! (In no way offensive, that’s what he’s holding.)
no the pope doesn’t take a vow of poverty only certain holy orders take a vow of poverty like some monks and stuff. and the crucifix is to remind us of his suffering not to creep you out
Every time I see this creepy little guy I think of Gremlins.
I think of how much I wish he didn’t look like he was plotting my death and demise.
He’s the first pope to be able to use the force lightning, so he’s got that going for him.
Inside that hat he’s got the enormous skull. Out of ‘Mars Attacks’. Quick, where’s my yodelling music?
I really wish I had been drunk when I went to see that.
this pope looks so creepy and evil, if he was walking towards me id run like hell
This caption is ignorant.
No, draping so called houses of worship in expensive decor while people die in poverty all over the world is ignorant.
While you’re at it why don’t you needlessly bash Islam or Buddhism for a few chuckles? All of them encourage helping the poor and display the glory of humanity.
Buddhuim FTW! It’s not technically a religion, but it still wins!
“Who’s awesome? You awesome!”
Buddhism is not technically a religion ? Say Christians ? SMEAR !
Christians are intolerant s**ts to say that. Tibetan Tantric Budhdism is the world’s highest form of culture.
Who said Christians say it’s not a religion? Just No1alkedme.
WHAT!? I’m an atheist! I say Buddhism isn’t a religion because the mainstream form isn’t. I actually know of people who are Catholic Buddhists. Buddhism is more of an ideology in its most basic form, and doesn’t even have the worship component.
Gut they have that guy Buddha. o_O
WHAAAAAT this picture has 666 votes! Nobody else vote on it; that’s too awesome.
failed.
You are all SO excommunicated! If you must know, I make all my own clothses out of olt curtains from ze back of ze Vatican. I learnt ze embroidery ven I voss a cardinal. Unt ze cross is from Vallmart.
I have to admit. That last sentence made me laugh.
Oh, you are SO going to hell for that. Luckily, I don’t believe in hell, so I’m good.
Ever see the Exercisem of Emily Rose?
Yes…and?
Didn’t whats-her-face say she didn’t believe in hell, but all that craziness still happened anyway? Of course, Satan would want you to “not believe” in him.
i thought his whole gig was stealing worshipers from yahweh so why would he care about people who don’t believe in either of them?
Well, if you worship Judaism than OK, but then again they have Angels and Demons and all.
yeah and when some people go to hell i will met you, we are the same person, just phone me on 666, 666,666.
Like a batshit out of hell, this one.
The disrespect that people have for all things Christian is unparalleled today. Pope Benedict XVI is our Holy Father, the Vicar of Christ, the Servant of the Servants of God. None of you would dare disrespect Islam’s Mohammed in the way you disrespect our Pope. Yet Islam tortures people, brutalizes women and indoctrinates children in fear and terror whereas Holy Mother Church teaches the Love of Christ Jesus. In Arabic there are ten thousand words for God and not one of them is love. But for the Christian Faithful God IS Love. You people are one and all barbarians and telling you anything worthwhile is like casting pearls before swine. I was never ashamed of the United States until you people took over and elected the Obamanation fo Desolation, culminating the descent of America from being a Christian Republic to being a neo-pagan socialist democracy.
Jesus called. He said STFU.
Less christains more lions!
Well, when you mix the two, yeah, that happens.
in christain lanuage god means love?
Rando…i god you
Oh, so you know him? Ore are you in fact the beholder of all wisdom? Because I’d like to know what the meaning of life, the universe, and everything is, unless the answer is in the question, which I highly doubt you know. Sure, a lot of you are idiots, and more so than others, because words of wisdom and caution sound like psycho babel to you, even if their as “sane” as you.
And Ioannes: SHUT YOUR MOUTH ABOUT MY ARAB HOMEBOYS!!
I thought you had a decent point till you said Obama was anti-christ. Why do my fellow conservatives always have to throw crap like that in?
eeer…sumfin wrong with being neo-pagan? we has rights to religion too!
I think the bigotry against Muslims was completely unnecessary too.
well pagan is any religion thats not christain, muslim or jewish.
and clearly the pagans are takeing over..cause you know they have that big yule festival while everyone ignores that christmas thing. who has ever heard of that.
and we have pagan temples ALL over..cant find one church related to that jebus guy anywhere…those poor ignored christains…not like they are mentioned anywhere in the legal system..or on money…or in the very pledge to this nation..
I like how much he bashes Islam, even when the first half of their holy book is exactly the same!
Bitter Troll, I god you for that awesome post!
Look, I’ll be easy on you, because you really do seem like an OK person. Come on, no one openly hate christians in the U.S. and doesn’t get blacklisted. I may not be fond of religion, but I don’t hate it, I hate what it’s become. Just because someone isn’t christian doesn’t mean they are evil/pagan like this asshat is saying. Real Islam isn’t anything like what he describes, only the extreme elements. I know a few muslims, they’re really just like anyone else. Besides, Ioannes is not even a conservative, anyone who wants a “christian republic” is a fascist in my book. Unfortunately the Republican party decided to market its self to the “religious right” (the real fascists) and the line between conservative and fascist was artificially blurred in the eyes of the public. Please don’t support these psychos, they only want power!
The GOP wanted a big voting bloc and invited the Moral Majority onto their party boat. The Moral Majority wanted control and jumped at the invitation.
Now, the horrified members of the GOP are attempting to wrestle control of the wheel from the marauders while the MM is doing all it can to prevent that from happening. They were invited to the party, dammit, and it isn’t their fault that the hosts don’t like being swarmed!
Neither faction really thought beyond what they immediately wanted which was power. GOP wanted votes, Moral Majority wanted access.
They got it. Now, they have to live with what they created. Unfortunately, so do the rest of us.
Please don’t use MM, they are neither Moral, nor the Majority. Morality is doing unto others as you would have done unto you? (a saying created well before it was included in the Bible). Would christians like me to force my belief system on them? Would they like me to teach their children in public schools that religion is evil, wrong, and false? How about making them pay for monuments depicting the atheist manifesto on govt. buildings? or perhaps the humanist manifesto? or perhaps the code of the Hammurabi? (the original source of most of our laws today).
Other than that though, I agree with you 100%. If the GOP could drop the religious fringe of their party and get back to real republican values of smaller government, lower taxes, and using government regulation to enhance and facilitate the free market system instead of stifle it, they would again have a chance to get my vote. It would take a few election cycles for me to be convinced they were free of the religious right, but eventually, they could dig themselves out of their hole and send the religious right back to the fringe where they belong with all the other crazy people.
The problem is that I’m not seeing ANY attempts on the republicans’ part to try to oust these crazies! Seriously, they nominated McCain, who violated his previously held beliefs to appeal to the “religious right”, instead of Ron Paul, who was far more popular among true conservatives. Even worse, the party decided to appoint Palin as his running-mate, and she’s the REAL DEAL when it comes to complete rejection of reality! The worst part by far, was that the pundits ate it up! The “religious right” will continue to gain influence until they stop getting so much support!
Well, duh….Oprah’s clearly the anti-christ, so I don’t see how Obama could be, too.
She shoots!! She scores!!
Internets to you.
“The disrespect that people have for all things Christian is unparalleled today.”
No.
Your “arguments” are WHARRGARBL.
So, why do I bother? As far as I can remember, Ioannes has a magnificent track record of pro-Christian posts without any followup. A very one-sided troll of the most boring kind.
Shame on me. :/
but hey, you can see his blog [link]
Ooer, lucky me, lucky us!
OMGROFLMAO! That is the funniest thing I’ve read in a while!
in the name of all that is holy (to anyone) why did i click on that link? my brain hurts now and needs some serious scrubbing – even the damaged part -
please explain why you compared the pope to mohammed.
is the pope the son of god?
please explain the catholic church’s view point on the first commandment in regards to the worshiping of saints and the virgin mary.
That’s the great thing about religion! It’s completely free of all logic! YAY!
first let bitter troll explain how xenu is secretly plotting to cause 9/11 part two
ALL HAIL THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER! HE CREATED THE UNIVERSE FORM A MIDGET, A TREE, AND A RUBBER BAND!
actually, my post was about dogmatic discrepancies between the catholic church and the rest of the organized christian faiths.
but i bet that went right over your head since your post below makes very little sense at all…
All organized religions have problems, I suppose it was unfair for me to fixate on christianity that much. I was using it as an example because that psycho above implied all christians are the paragon of virtue and anyone who isn’t is pure evil. As for the fascism thing, yeah, the “religious right” is fascist, they hate democracy so much that they are willing to tell outright lies to push their views on everyone. Look up their Prop 8 campaign in California and you’ll see what I mean.
There are a few other organised Christian faiths with saints too. Like the Orthodox factions? (Fractions? (Why I am close to falling into Life of Brian mode here?))
I mean – with a Catholic-like “worship of saints”. I am quite happy to be corrected if I am wrong, I am only working on stuff I remember from my childhood learning here. ;p
Because Monty Python wins beyond all measurement!
The Orthodox churches do have saints, but they do not worship them either.
Catholics don’t worship saints and the Virgin Mary.
They pray to them at times, isn’t prayer a form of worship? I’m not attacking you, I’m an atheist and am genuinely curious.
I think he was referring to the idea that you shall have no gods before God. Catholics and Orthodox honor saints and the Virgin Mary and ask their intercession with God. Just as you might ask a friend or a holy person to pray on your behalf. Similarly, you honor your parents, but not necessarily worship them.
Interesting… I suppose it would be easy for someone who wasn’t part of the faith to misinterpret such prayers. The thing with religion is that a lot of it is so abstract there’s room for a lot of interpretations. I think that’s where a lot of these christian vs. catholic arguments come from, individual interpretation.
Whereas no catholics/christians do that ANYWHERE! Right? Watch the talkie (movie for those who don’t understand) “Jesus Camp”, you’ll find yourself quite shocked I’m sure. Besides, people don’t bash Mohammed out of fear, not out of some sort of respect. Christianity preaches more hate than love nowadays, not all churches are that way, but I’m just commenting on a trend. Your reference to the arabic word for God not meaning love baffles me, it’s completely irrelevant. You say you’re a good christian, all you are is a fascist, as is anyone who thinks America ought to be a “Christian Republic.” You make me ashamed to be a member of your species. Also neo-pagan isn’t a word, it doesn’t even make sense because to be a neo-anything, that thing must first go away. You are an ignorant fascist with no comprehension of the ideology that America was founded upon, good day SIR!
P.S. Get a sense of humour.
P.P.S. He’s your pope, not mine. You can keep him too, he creeps the hell out of me.
Yeah… That poster isn’t really worth wasting time on. He does this on any lol with a picture related to Christianity, iirc, and he never responds to replies – I am fairly sure he doesn’t read them. Why should he? He know the REAL thruth ya know?
I figure someone can only sustain that level of cognitive dissidence for so long until they implode. The best we can do in the interim is try to combat them with logic, hoping others will begin to see how dangerous these crazies are.
Alas, protesting too vehemently can work the other way around. :/
The angrier they get, the more they show their true colours, and that’s always kind of interesting.
(Because logic is not always appealing.)
Boobs are always appealing.
hey, us pagans were here first – you usurper
WIN WIN WIN!!!!
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUSURPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1. I am an equal opportunity disrespector of religion. Islam is as dumb an idea and Catholicism as is protestantism as is mormonism as is scientology.
2. Your hatred of islam shows a clear underlying religio-facism that is, for me, just plain scary. People like you should be locked up somewhere before you start another crusade. Or perhaps you already did (see the Iraq war).
3. How many english words for God mean love? thats right…0. Its a slogan you made up to try to sell your religion. Oh, and in case you weren’t aware, your statement is spurious on several levels because muslims speak many different languages and not just arabic. The language the people of a particular religion speak says very little about the religion itself.
4. The term barbarian was a Roman imperialistic word. They used it to refer to all non-Romans. The Bar-Bar is how romans made fun of all languages other than their own. All cultures besides theirs were beneath theirs. They had no concept of plurality. They had no sense of humility. Any idea that was not Roman was inherently a bad idea. This is why their empire fell. Their arrogance and refusal to adapt to new ideas stagnated their society. It is incredibly appropriate that you use that word to describe us, for you, as the romans, arrogantly and self-righteously believe that your way is the only way, that all others are inferior, and that they must be destroyed. We here, at least, debate ideas and most of us do not reject or accept ideas on the basis of their supporting arguments and try not to let our pre-conceived notions color our opinions of a statement. Not all of us succeed, but at least we try. That makes us better than you already.
5. Ashamed? How do you think we felt when the pack of morons you call “the christian right” elected our moron-in-chief 8 years ago who promptly ran our country into the ground and made bunches of new policies that ALL ended in failure, from no-child left behind to homeland security to Bush’s “Ownership society” that put people in homes they couldn’t afford. We felt ashamed. Well, I did. I felt ashamed that my country would vote for such a moron. I couldn’t believe it, in fact, when he was re-elected. I thought for sure our country was not so stupid as to vote for that man twice, but as you have shown me, there are plenty of retarded people in this country that would vote for Bush today if they could knowing all the crap he would screw up.
wonder if he has a midget hidden in that giant hat of his
I think it makes his head look like an acorn…
You said ACORN! ACRON IZ TEH EBILS!!!!!!!!
They only hurt to eat if you forget to boil them first.
i always think snl cone-heads – his must regenerate since sometimes he doesn’t have the pointy hat on hiding the pointy head. hmmm…. wonder if it’s similar to a camel hump – if he goes too long without thoughts, his pointy head shrinks?
LOL typical european
Just sayin… he reminds me of hannibal lector……
Priests (like the pope) don’t take a vow of poverty. Monks take a vow of poverty. Priests and monks are not the same thing.
geegeesus, he looks like a spawn from the darkside xD
he could play the dark emperor in any star wars, thats for sure!
evil teeth grin, looking up – i wonder what he thinks of?
i’ve seen to much lie to me -.-
i mean, does he have to take a leak, or a bug just bite him?
mvh
Force Lightning in 3, 2, 1…. .POPE POWER POPE POWER UNLIMITED POPE POWER!!!
should i be worried that a german catholic is saying “heil hitler??” i think the jews should be informed of this, it didn’t end up well for them last time.
Is he saying heil hitler? You got the “german catholic” thing right, props!
he’s got the arm “right.”
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Having the church sell off all of its valuables would be like having MOMA sell off all of its paintings. Enough with this puritanical mindset that views beauty with suspicion.
Let’s not forget that Pope Benedict 16th was a chaplain for the german army in WW2
haha, he looks like Emperor Palpatine…
You in the air, join me to dark side.
oh shutup.
The pope is a Roman Catholic priest and they don’t take a vow of poverty.