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  1. Deep Thought says:

    Why? We watch American Idol every week, but we have to really have effed up to EVER actually see any judge, let alone this one.

  2. David J says:

    You mean she’s not taking Paula Abdul-Jabbar’s place on A.I.?

  3. OH MY GOD!!! THIS IS SO FUNNY!!! HA HA HA no it’s not.

  4. Code Monkey says:

    The really sad part is that if more people were paying attention, she would never have become a judge in the first place.

    Judges are supposed to be impartial, but there hasn’t been a single decision she’s made that hasn’t unwarrantedly favored a minority.

    • Semperfidd says:

      I don’t agree with her being nominated and appointed to the bench but I think your statement might be a little off. Don’t ask me to defend her as I won’t lol.

    • parksj1 says:

      That would be really difficult to accomplish, even for the most liberal and white-hating of judges. Most rulings aren’t on cases where race plays a role at all.

    • Stephanie says:

      This x 1000.

    • wallFly the emperor penguin of doom says:

      you know, i was forced to sit through the ENTIRE confirmation hearings (work thing) and what impressed me about her is that the only things that come across remotely racial is what she’s said in her speeches and, even then, it’s usually when it’s taken out of context.

      looking at her just based on her resume, she’s a hell of a judge. seems very strict as in she falls back heavily onto established precident.

      the only thing that i was concerned with is how she’ll function on the “other side” of the bench – at the top of the precident making judicial ladder but then, that’s a concern no matter who you’re appointing.

      all in all, there’s plenty more who’d have been worse nominations.

      • Dhoti says:

        It only seems that way because her opponents wavered and caved in the face of identity politics and accusations of racism. When spin goes unchallenged, it becomes conventional wisdom.

      • froofrou says:

        I like how a lot of liberals (including a very closer friend of mine) have used the excuse “Well, she was nominated (or whatever) by GWB, and now you’re saying she’s bad?” The flip side of that is “Wait a second, you’re saying that something GWB did was GOOD???? Who are you and why are you pretending to be liberal?”

        I don’t care much for the woman, personally, but she seems to be an OK judge, and I’m going to laugh my black little heart out if she ends up pulling a Souter and surprising the left by being the deciding vote in overturning Roe V Wade. Especially since no one really knows what her views on abortion are.

      • Semperfidd says:

        Of course the only thing that came across remotely racial or political where things she did in the past. She was not going to speak freely on her beliefs in front of a senate committee or cspan etc. I would not expect a far right wing judge/politician etc to do that either. That is why her past actions and speeches are so important. They were made freely by her without the thought that she would someday have to answer to the public etc. Of course given the make up of the current congress and the slant of most of the media it didn’t really matter.

        • wallFly the emperor penguin of doom says:

          actions speak louder than words, unless you’re a politician.

          did you notice in the confirmation hearings that about 80-90% of what they disliked were snippets of speech?

          she has her personal beliefes, given, moral and ethics established by personal experience, religious teaching and professional career but her resume has shown she hasn’t let these influence her decisions. i thought that part was pretty evident.

          • wallFly the emperor penguin of doom says:

            btw, semper – is that a pug in the picture? it reminds me of that dog from MIB, i’m diggin it

          • Dhoti says:

            How do you get that from her record?

            • wallFly the emperor penguin of doom says:

              how do you not?

              • Dhoti says:

                - Ricci v. DiStefano: not only am I still unconvinced that her ruling wasn’t ridiculous, I don’t buy the CYA spin after the fact
                - USA v. Juncal
                - The Second Circuit clerk who called her “not that smart and kind of a bully on the bench” (not in her record per se, I know…)
                - And of course those wonderful press club comments…

                Like I said earlier, I think the “out of context” spin is only accepted because her opponents decided not to spend the political capital on her, not because it’s actually true.

                • wallFly the emperor penguin of doom says:

                  The New Haven firefighters result was established in previous cases, she ruled on precident and not only that but the ruling was very close, both there and when it was brought up higher. If you’re doubting her that’s fine, just wanted to point out almost half the current supreme court (or prev. at this point) ruled in her favor.
                  A peer calling her “a bully on the bench” doesn’t mean much, again, going by someone’s words rather than her actions (besides, in something like law the prosecturos and defendants have a tendency to be cut throat, it’s nothing new).
                  The USA v. Juncal – haven’t reviewd that one, I pulled it up and will read it in a moment.

                  Basically, I don’t see how your pont is valid – she’s got a good resume. The only spin i’ve seen is on opponents picking apart her speeches and trying to use her words out of context to make her look racist.
                  If she were a bad judge, I’d be with you on this, but she just doesn’t seem to come across as such.

                  • froofrou says:

                    I’d say she’s mediocre at best, and a perfect replacement for Souter. I’m really not sure why there was a debate anyway, she was a lock from the moment that Obama nominated her based on the number of partisan Dems in Congress.

                    • Semperfidd says:

                      I looked up as much as I could on the internet and I cant find anything that says she is a bad judge…the property rights decision comes close though. I agree with froo that she is probably a good replacement for Souter. Judgeing by what I read she does not sound too left of center. We will see. Too bad you can’t get them off the bench once they are appointed.

                  • Dhoti says:

                    Your argument is circular — you’re dismissing my concerns about her record by saying that her record is sound and therefore nothing to be concerned with. I’m guessing you’re supporting her ultimately for another reason, then? (Which is fine — it just doesn’t make any sense to bother discussing her record in that case.)

                    • wallFly the conquering dingo says:

                      circular i suppose in that i was pretty clear initially why i support here and pretty clear again in why i support her (i.e. same reasons – she’s got a good resume, then i used examples of her resume, or rather pointed out how examples of how you felt she was bad were not, in my opinion but as usual, you seem to ignore that and come up with something tangent to distract from actually adding into the conversation… dhoti, i was beginning to think better of you, too).

                      i mean, ultimately, we’re gonna have to agree to disagree on her at this point and wait til she performs on the bench.

                      • to add to that, i’ve never once brought up her race in any of my arguments for her – it’s only the people who’ve been opposing her that have consistently brought it up. if you’re trying to imply that by ignoring of her race it’s some clever ploy to hide that i’m only approving of her as a nominee (now judge) because of her ethnicity, i think you seriously need to rethink your approach. what it comes across as, if you guys haven’t noticed it, is that you’re afraid of losing what last all-white bastion of power you got.

                        now, not saying your racist dhoti, but if that’s the point you fall back when it’s never been brought up, it begs the question whether or not you’re opinions are being skewed by the color of her skin.

                        • Dhoti says:

                          So, you’re trying to convince me of your still-circular argument by calling me a racist? But I’m supposedly the one trying to distract from the issues? LOL, I love identity politics!

                          I’m sorry I couldn’t change your opinion of me by agreeing with you more often. But don’t worry, my opinion of you hasn’t changed one bit…

                        • wallFly the irritated says:

                          dude, wtf is up with this new catch phrase of yours? up until you brought race into our discussion it was a moot point; irrelevant. so, first, no, i did not call you racist but i did question your motives.

                          this is the last paragraph, read it this time: “now, not saying your racist dhoti, but if that’s the point you fall back when it’s never been brought up, it begs the question whether or not you’re opinions are being skewed by the color of her skin.”

                          no argument here was circular except your refusal to read and pick out only bits you wanted to hear. when you asked my opinion i gave it to you, you debated it, i used those examples and broke them down into why i thought differently than you. it’s not circular, it’s a progressive and conventional movement in a debate and/or conversation. you simply didn’t like my point so you did your typical routine, threw up a smoke screen to distract and tried to run with a different topic and unfounded accusation.

                          if you can’t be mature enough to follow along, then stop but don’t start implying people are racist when there’s no foundation for such accusations. it’s both rude and makes you look like an idiot.

                        • Dhoti says:

                          Yeah, because asking “why?” is such a smokescreen, right? Whatever.

                          I don’t get it — if you’re uncomfortable with people challenging your beliefs, why are you here discussing them? Do you really think insinuating that anyone who disagrees with you is a racist is really adding anything to the discussion? Does it make you feel good?

                        • wallFly the malevolent says:

                          where did you get i was uncomfortable with my beliefs being challenged? i got annoyed when you unfoundedly implied i was racist, then ignored my explanations and bitched about “circular arguments” and “identity politics” without addressing anything i was saying –because– i disagreed with you and pointed out valid reasons why. hence it stopped being a discussion when you decided to play the idiot card. i’m also guessing this is where you ran out of arguments to support your point of view.

                          So, the point is, *YOU* insulted me when I disagreed with you. Then *I* pointed out what you did. A few posts in between each, sure but that’s the jist.

                          Now, please, go reread what you wrote and spend time actually reading what I wrote.

                        • Dhoti says:

                          Gee, what a surprise, more unfounded accusations. Here’s proof of mine — can you prove yours?

                          This was your response to my criticisms of her record: “Basically, I don’t see how your pont is valid – she’s got a good resume.” Do you really not see how that’s a circular argument?

                          And you were the one who got mad and introduced race, not me, with “it’s only the people who’ve been opposing her that have consistently brought it up” and “last all-white bastion of power” and “not saying your racist dhoti”.

                          So you can keep projecting and accusing and throwing that temper tantrum, or you can respond like an adult. Your choice.

                        • wallFly the cookie thrower says:

                          “Your argument is circular — you’re dismissing my concerns about her record by saying that her record is sound and therefore nothing to be concerned with. I’m guessing you’re supporting her ultimately for another reason, then? (Which is fine — it just doesn’t make any sense to bother discussing her record in that case.)”
                          That’s your post – that’s where you began implying race was a factor.

                          Here was my actual reply to your post from which you quoted only the bottom half:
                          “The New Haven firefighters result was established in previous cases, she ruled on precident and not only that but the ruling was very close, both there and when it was brought up higher. If you’re doubting her that’s fine, just wanted to point out almost half the current supreme court (or prev. at this point) ruled in her favor.
                          A peer calling her “a bully on the bench” doesn’t mean much, again, going by someone’s words rather than her actions (besides, in something like law the prosecturos and defendants have a tendency to be cut throat, it’s nothing new).
                          The USA v. Juncal – haven’t reviewd that one, I pulled it up and will read it in a moment.

                          Basically, I don’t see how your pont is valid – she’s got a good resume. The only spin i’ve seen is on opponents picking apart her speeches and trying to use her words out of context to make her look racist.
                          If she were a bad judge, I’d be with you on this, but she just doesn’t seem to come across as such.”

                          How have I NOT validated my point? All you did is point out you, indeed, only read part of my post.

                        • Dhoti says:

                          One more time, cupcake — *you* were the one who unilaterally decided I was being racist. *You* were the one who twisted some statement of mine into being racist. That means *you* were the one who brought it up. Got it?

                          What is the copying and pasting supposed to prove, that you don’t have anything else to say? Well, between that and the distractions and the unfounded accusations of racism, it’s working!

                          I’m going to start calling you IMAX — your projection could light up a five-story wall.

                        • Irony: the contrast, as in a play, between what a character thinks the truth is, as revealed in a speech or action, and what an audience or reader knows the truth to be.

                        • wallFly the malevolent says:

                          lol, dhoti, once upon a time i actually started taking you seriously. i should have spotted earlier on that you weren’t here to discuss, given how you, yet again, ignore the evidence smacking you in the face. i couldn’t be more plain. it’s blatantly apparent you’re just here to troll, a bit fancier of methods maybe but a troll nonetheless.

                          i say good day! (and yes, since it’s just you and i here, it would be me unilaterally doing anything, but again, you chose not to read what i wrote, you’re ignoring what i’m saying and generally being an idiot, call me what you like but it lends you no credibility when you’re still a dumbass).

                        • charro says:

                          In Nepal the word Dhoti is often used as an ethnic slur against the Madhesi community of Nepal and Indians by the majority population of Nepal. This may be because of the popularity of dhotis in the terai region and the bordering Indian states.

                          Actually, Dhoti, you are a racist :-P

    • Ignatz says:

      Go eat some Fritos, code monkey, while you fantasize about that hot secretary you’ll never get a chance with.

  5. Frank says:

    Those of us who opposed her did it because we care, get it?

    • Linkman590 says:

      how does that work, you opposed a good judge because you care… about what, china?

      • Semperfidd says:

        “you opposed a good judge because you care” depends on your definition of good judge. 5 out of 7 cases reversed by the supreme court doesn’t sound like a good judge to me.

        • Deep Thought says:

          Actually, it sounds like the system of checks and balances at work.

        • check the linky, it’s from newsweek covering how many times she’s been overturned.

          • bitter troll says:

            pfft you cant trust that liberal rag!

            you could get some slightly non-liberally tainted news off fox news sometimes

            but if you want the RIGHT fair and balanced information, it only comes from Rush

            now pardon bitter troll while me eats this baby

            BAHAY the other OTHER white meat

        • Faceh says:

          The fact that she’s ‘only’ had 7 cases reviewed by the Supreme Court actually speaks volumes.

          Usually a case won’t make it there unless there’s an issue with how it was ruled in a lower court.

          • froofrou says:

            Her record is pretty much on par with the other judges, except that she hasn’t had as much appellate experience. Like I said before, she’s mediocre at best, and will probably remain mediocre throughout her term.

            • clamboy says:

              Could you please explain what you mean by “mediocre,” and why it applies to Justice Sotomayor? What are your criteria, evidences, etc.? I’m not saying you’re wrong, I just want to understand.

              • froofrou says:

                As a small example, the summary judgement in the “firefighter case”. She was part of the decision, but did nothing in order to stand out. We have no idea of her own personal views or view of the law in this matter because it was a group opinion. Also, aside from her statements about being a “wise Latina” that occurred outside of the courtroom, she has done nothing to set herself apart. Her record is pretty well on par with the other judges, in that she has no outstanding or particularly contraversial cases to point back out and say “I did this”, and she’s been relatively low-key the entire time. She won’t speak out about her views on abortion, and the only other slightly squinchy thing she’s spoken on are her thoughts on gun control (she’s for it).

                There is nothing in her record to set her apart as a particularly good or out of the ordinary judge, and she will fit right in as a good replacement for Souter, as her record tends to track a little left of center as his has done.

                • clamboy says:

                  Okay, I understand what you are saying. But doesn’t that raise an interesting question about what constitutes a proper Supreme Court justice, especially from the perspective of conservatism? Why should that person be a radical, like justices Scalia, Thomas, and Roberts? LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR: I mention those names only because there has not been a radical on the bench from a different persuasion for quite a long time, perhaps not since Justice Marshall.
                  I would think that conservatives would prefer a judge such as Sotomayor, someone that is inclined towards slow, incremental change over the radical reversal of precedent that would “set herself apart” – I mean, isn’t that what conservatism supports, and why conservatives were against such decisions as Roe v. Wade? Why should a Supreme Court justice be, as you say, “out of the ordinary,” and why does working within precedent make someone not “particularly good”?
                  But hell, just sign me – A Disappointed Wisher for a New Justice Marshall

  6. Aramis says:

    Mmmmm…..Picturing Sotomayor vs Pelosi in an all -thong oil wrestling match……(vomits)

  7. Emperor says:

    Care “more” than. Failure caption.

  8. Anniee451 says:

    Sad. When assholes who are constantly overturned for bad decisions make it to the supreme court just because of their lineage.

  9. Anniee451 says:

    Sad. Massive incompetence on the supreme court. This is the woman who couldn’t cite a right to self-defense in the constitution. Sheer genius.

  10. xy says:

    So is this woman an American Idol Judge or an actual real life judge?

    (I’m one of the millions, if not billions of people who don’t live in the USA, but since most people who like American Idol don’t think there are any other countries, I guess that makes me imaginary….)

    • paws4thot says:

      Something like 5.7 billion of the World population are not US citizens. I’m another one of them, but I still know that Sonja is a US Supreme Court appointee (I’m not clear on whether she’s actually an SC Judge as yet or not, but the point that you don’t have to be a US citizen to know who she is still stands).

      • Danbala says:

        Yes. Our media too has had coverage of the “election” or what it’s called. (As always when a new judge is up for the SC.)

      • xy says:

        I’ve watched a fair amount of news (BBC, ITV, even Sky at one point) and haven’t seen a single thing. I did see President Obama awarding medals to various people and being VERY charismatic and eloquent while doing it, which after the last US President did give me somewhat of a shock….

  11. sisyphusredux says:

    It’s interesting that everyone misses the point.

    Americans, in general, don’t care about politics because politics don’t, as a rule, affect our lives with any significance. In so many places, politics is a matter of life and death.

    OTOH, when we do get involved, as for example with the health care debate, we’re accused by the left of being evil “industry shills” or fanatical mobs.

    Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. I suppose the only way to win is to agree only with left.

  12. Ceefax says:

    Wow, people are going batshit insane over this healthcare thing. Just watched an absolutely furious wingnut threaten someone with damnation and saying god is goign to judge them for supporting universal healthcare. Wha? I keep seeing people absolutely seething with anger but completely unable to actually articulate WHAT they’re angry about, babbling about death camps, socialism, just a stream of frustrated inability to explain what their problem actually is. And then I keep reading all these blog posts and pundit pieces about how in my country people are killed when they reach a certain age (we have no old people here, apparently) and people have to whittle their own replacement legs out of wood and fix their teeth with superglue. No lie, this was a line on IBDeditorials.com

    “People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn’t have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless. ”

    Uhhhh, newsflash…

    • Danbala says:

      I listened to a special regarding this on the radio yesterday, and “our” reporters seemed quite baffled by the American media coverage which is totally focused on the conflict around this rather than the actual health care proposals. Someone must be really good at working the propaganda.

      • Dhoti says:

        Yeah, “someone” is, and you suck at seeing it.

        What do you do when you want to support something without actually defending it? Report on the controversy!

        • Danbala says:

          You think? Considering the suspiciousness “it’s COMMUNIST I tell you!” about national health care, I think it’d be more in the interest of those who are advocating it to get the actual facts out more, while those who oppose it would get much more benefit from the stream of “this is how much Americans are fighting it”.

          I suppose it’s one of those things that have a very different shape depending on from what angle you are watching it.

          • paws4thot says:

            As it was put to me, other than those who’re more scared for the future of their pay cheque than concerned about how healthcare is paid for, the problem is that most of the opponents think the reforms mean rationing, rather than creating a healthcare system that works like the US Post Office where everyone pays the same fee to get the same letter service, whether the distance is 5 doors down the road, or from Maine to Hawaii.

    • i know it’s the huffington post, so you might bash it for that, but take a look at the quote from Hawkings himself in the article in regards to that quote.

  13. d says:

    Sad…when people are sanctimonious stereotypers…..

  14. PeachyKat says:

    I was listening to my favorite radio station, which is no longer my favorite radio station because they play Miley Cyrus 500 times and made me sick of Green Day (!) and they talked about Paula leaving for ALMOST TEN MINUTES. I know it’s a pop station, but I want music, not gossip. What’s with crappy ‘talent’ shows? I watched the first year for the funny auditions, then quit. Now my parents watch ‘Wipeout’, which is narrated WAY too seriously and is the same EVERY week (Japanese original is funnier), and So You Think You Can Dance, which is mostly a whiny drama show or a ‘results show’ of clips from previous shows. And don’t get me started on America’s Got Talent. What happened to quality or lighthearted fun? What became of Jeopardy or the prize behind door 3?

  15. rello314 says:

    we cared
    u didnt listen and still let her in

  16. dhydar says:

    Given that she was “sold” to us strictly because she’s “latina” … why would we care?

  17. Sqwirk says:

    The only argument I’ve seen is that a government (or government backed/regulated) insurance scheme could drive some private health insurers out of business.

    To which the obivous answer is… so what?

    The idea seems to be that health insurers are the same thing as hospitals, clinics or even individual health practitioners… only bigger.

    So any health care reform means reducing the freedom (freedom under this definition meaning profits) of health insurance companies which is the same as reducing the freedom of hospitals/clinics which is the same as reducing the freedom of doctors and so takes away the freedom of patients.

  18. BattleCry says:

    Wow.

    300 comments and not a single one of them (that I saw) devoted to the biggest problem with Sotomayor.
    It is her belief that regular people should not have guns. Her interpretation of the 2nd Amendment is that only the government should have guns. She does not think that the 2nd Amendment applies to people, only to the State government.
    So, does the state government only have the right to free speech? Or does that apply to individuals.

    Sotomayor is a pox on an already fouled legal system. She is, without a doubt, the wrong person for the job. I could care less that she is latina, I could care less that she is a she. He views on the founding document of this country are borderline traitorous. Right in line though, with this, and the previous, administration.

    • paws4thot says:

      Just because you don’t agree with her on the 2nd doesn’t make her wrong. Try reading the actual Amendment, instead of a pro-NRA Supreme Court’s interpretation of it. My own view is that the amendment allows people to posess guns for hunting, or if they are members of a state militia.

      • BattleCry says:

        The Bulk of the Constitution was written around 1786, however, the Bill of Rights was not ratified until 1791. What is crucial is what happened inbetween.
        when the Framers started bringing the Constitution to the State Conventions, people were not satisfied. They did not think the document was good enough. It did not garauntee against what they had gone through against the British. Specifically Virginia and New York both flat out refused to adopt it. The America that we know today would not have existed had John Adams and the rest of the Federalists not conceded point and created the 10 (there were actually 12 but two were not ratified) Amendments…based mostly off of previously written Bills in English history as well as the Magna Carta.

        So all of those 10 Amendments were DEMANDED by the people. Sure they were all white male land owners, but they were people that had the ability in that place and time to procur the most freedom they could for themselves and their progeny. Without them, we would not have the ability to apply it across the board as we try to do today (doesn’t always happen, I know).

        Now, times change, and the way we use our language changes, so it’s possible to interpret various things in our society from different viewpoints.

        However

        The INTENT of ALL of the 10 Amendments was to keep the people free from the possibility of a tyranical government down the road.
        It is ludicrous to think that the people who demanded the 2nd Amendment only wanted the government to have weapons.
        Only fools or people with an agenda can refute this.

        The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting, sport shooting, or male bonding. It has everything to do with defending yourself from the government should it overstep it’s bounds and revoke the natural freedoms all Americans are garuanteed in the Constitution. That was it’s design. To keep the citizenry armed in case of tyranny.

        None of the 10 Amendments are open to interpretation in the face of their designed intent. In order to circumvent them, you have to repeal or Amend them.

        The NRA gets it about 3/4 correct. You also must take into account that the Amendments were written by John Adams, who hated the concept of the Bill of Rights. I wonder if he didn’t muddy the 2nd on purpose.

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