When I lost money at work
When I lost money at work I got fired for it.
(Chairmen of the Big Three automakers)
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That is because you have no power or friends with power. You can actually see this lack of accountability across all companies in all sectors. People in power like to retain power. This has been known since the dawn of civilization.
Well, thanks for sucking all the humor out of the atmosphere, Señor Buzzkill.
De nada.
Obamerica.
Land of the free.
Home of the bailout.
Oh, please, corporations have gotten bailouts for decades from presidents of both parties.
Were those other bailouts on the billion dollar scale, kicking any sense of deficit spending we knew before that moment in the ass?
Actually, yes, if you count TARP. The car company bailouts were separate from that. Over the last however many years, corporations and private entities (unions and other special interest groups) have been getting money for various things, and it probably totals over billions at this point, all added together.
Why so fabulous today?
I’m still trying to hide from last Monday.
But you sucked so well last Monday, lady in a blue dress…
Apparently I sucked really well last night, too, but that’s a different conversation….
*pulls up a chair*
Well, Missy, I guess that depends on what the meaning of the word “conversation” is.
Heh. The missing link.
Not to mention that the Big 3 auto bailouts started during the Bush administration, and only actually happened very soon after Obama was in charge. Yes, Obama did more afterward, but in this case the blame falls on the previous president.
this is clearly another attempt to make people forget about obama’s brith papers
Don’t jump the gun there, darlin. Obama is just as culpable for the money spent during the Bush administration as the other congress people who voted for it. There is a lot of blame to go around, and all I see is the current admin making it worse instead of helping.
Oh I do agree with you there, but there are so many people claiming that the bailouts are all on Obama’s plate, when Bush started the recent big ones. Like I said, Obama isn’t helping any, but the blame isn’t entirely on his shoulders.
Ford didn’t lose money, nor did they take any of the bailout. Get your facts strait.
This is clearly why Ford had to sell Jaguar and Land Rover; because they weren’t losing money in the USA.
You don’t read the financial papers much, do you?
To reiterate, Ford requested zero bailout money. They pared down their liabilities to remain solvent in a troubled economy. And if you consider profit loss during a recession an indicator of of the viability of a company, you’d have to point the finger at a good 90% of companies out there. At least they’re not filing bankruptcy AFTER billions of dollars were transfused into a bleeding pig…..
You realize that has just about nothing to do with Jag and LR, right?
You’re not good with sarcasm, or basic financial sense, are you?
1) I was being sarcastic.
2) It’s bad financial sense to sell assets that are making you money when you don’t have to, particularly when the price they’ll realise is well off its recent peak.
It’s not bad financial sense to sell assets that you’re dumping money into without seeing a return though, which was much the case with Jag and Land Rover.
It’s not bad financial sense to sell assets that you’re dumping money into without seeing a return though, which was much the case with Jag and Land Rover.
Take a look at Ford’s stock prices over the last six months compared to any other automaker and you’ll see what the smart money believes in that company.
It also makes financial sense to make cars that people will actually drive. Ford has been producing rolling turds for the American market for years now. Ford’s made some very good cars for the European market, but heaven forbid they actually build and sell them here.
yeah cuz thats totally why ford trucks are the best selling right? i’d love for someone to prove why fords suck. just once. know why? you can’t! its just a stupid game of chevy this, dodge that, ford this. its how your brought up, doesn’t mean one is better then the other.
I’ll take that as a “no”. Like Chris correctly said above, they were money pits, not profitable assets. (Never mind the damage Ford did by badge engineering…)
This isn’t the first time you’ve run your mouth without the knowledge to back it up. Why do you insist? It just makes you look like an idiot.
Maybe he was calling them George Strait?
But they don’t have friends in low places….
I thought that was Garth Brooks.
Could have been… but all country sounds the same to me.
Doooooooode!!! Don’t yew get it!! Garth Brooks is country, AND he’s rock n’ roll!
So were the Osmonds…..
pwned
Garth Brooks is country AND he’s emo…at least that’s what his alter ego looks like. Silly, isn’t it?
That caption would be even more accurate with a picture of congress, though.
Except for the fact that congress doesn’t get fired for it, yes.
althought they ought to – should hold a voting session every few months where the senator’s and representative’s constituents get to vote on how well a job they’re doing. if they get shitty grades, they get demoted (salary-wise), castrated and fried up to help feed the homeless. it’ll motivate them to do their job better.
*although…
I still think that California got it right (ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch) when the people voted that their congressmen (and women) weren’t allowed a raise while the budget was in deficit. Why do they get to vote on their own paychecks, anyway?
you know, you’re right! i heard once that they got to vote on their own raise and i didn’t believe it until i read more into it… how frickin’ absurd.
can you imagine if everyone got to do that? holy bejeebus
I can tell you that if that option was open to me, my credit would be golden and I wouldn’t be in debt. And I’d be livin’ on sponge cake in a tropical climate somewhere while a cabana boy rubbed oil on my back!
“I’d like to interrupt this vote in a pay raise to propose our next vote on a pay raise.”
Fu(kers.
I mean, hello fellow colleagues! We need this cost of living increase. Yeah, that’s the ticket!
Why do CEOs get to vote on each other pay checks, for amounts 100x greater than politicians?
That’s private money as opposed to public money.
It’s shareholders money and shareholders don’t get a vote on CEO pay.
Those who do get a vote are the CEOs themselves who sit on each others boards and appoinnt the remuneration committees.
You prefer unaccountability to accountability as long as it’s “private money”?
That’s the best of all worlds for you? Your money (as a shareholder) being spent on failure, against your interests and with zero accountability?
It sounds like we’ve just found the future CEO of Torgo’s Executive Powder!
That’s not how you wear your Depends, Torgo.
I wear mine on my head.
Never mind that the car companies had to give up a hell of a lot more than Bush and Paulson demanded of the investment bankers, which was…ummm…nothing.
You should really watch the first two Godfather movies — apart from being great films, you’ll understand the concept of favors much better when you’re done.
Goldman Sachs have gotten enough favors already, thanks. The entire financial regulatory structure of the government is the Goldman Sachs Alumni Association. What Goldman wants from the government, Goldman gets, and the only people denying it are the ones paid to deny it.
Before I waste any more time on you, let’s get something out of the way — do you have a reasonably open mind on the issue, or is your response to anything I say going to be hand-waving, unprovable, and possibly anti-Semitic allusions to a vast and shadowy conspiracy?
Dhoti: the only person who doesn’t come here to waste time.
Right, I forgot — it’s only unfair if you disagree.
It’s a LOL site. There’s not many productive things you can do here.
not much of a conspirarcy if it’s true and evident. not sure where you’re getting anti-semitic from his statement either, but hey, you see what you want to see.
Is it true and evident? Goldman entered TARP at knifepoint (already repaid, at a 23% return) and didn’t take any other bailout. But still, that’s a far cry from saying they control “the entire regulatory structure of the government”. How do you even begin to prove that?
I said anti-Semitic because, in a surprising number of these high-finance conspiracies, “investment bankers” or “Wall Street firms” or whatever is code for Jews.
“Kike”.
You know what’s funny… when I pissed people off in high school, I got called a kike all the time. I always wondered what they hoped to accomplish…
Then in college, my oh so subtle roommate pulled back the curtain with “They’re calling you a israeli n*gger ya dumb jew!”
My, but that is subtle.
Hrmpth. My use of the word “n!gger” has been appropriated by the censors.
As I was saying, I thought the correct epithet was “Sand N!gger”?
That’s only when you’re talking about Ay-rabs and E-rakkys.
Ohhh.. My bad totally.
-leaves a trail of cupcakes towards a large box proped up with a stick, lil string trailing behind a bridge-
and rick wagoner got fired.
That’s why I thought the LOL was directed at congress and the administration.
hey I am all for making fun of GM and Chrysler but Ford is the one auto maker that didn’t go belly up or take any money from tax payers I realize this is a just a silly little caption but don’t lump ford in with those two idiots it just is not right.
Fix
Or
Repair
Daily
Dead
Or
Dying
Girlie
Engine
Poor
Old
Nanny
Thinks
Its
A
Caddy
Greed
Murders
Hombres
Up In
Middle
Management
Escape
Reality
Chevy (need I say more?)
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Big
Manufactured
Waste
or how bout
Damn
All
Engines
With
Oriental
Operations
Bayerishe
Mist*
Wagon
* Opinion is varied on whether this means “male self abuser” or faeces.
Just
Another
Gigantic
Un-waranteed
Automobile
Repair
Fu(ked
Over
Re-built
Dodge
Can
Hear
Every
Valve
Rattling
On
Long
Extended
Trips
Big
Ugly
Indestructable
Car
Killer
Fast
Only
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Downhill
There are several recentish “Mopars” that are Mitsubishis in all but name and detail styling.
MIni
TSUnami
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That was epically FAIL.
I have to agree on that one… LM probably should’ve just hit the “cancel reply” and saved the space…
Did I say you could speak? NO.
Go hug a tree, or invent the internet again…Al
GIVE ME YOUR HUMMER! AND YOUR LAWN!
I love when you talk dirty to me!!!
Did he just ask MG for a hummer? And is it THAT easy?
@Ivan: Not THAT easy… I’d like to be “Wined and dined” first…silly!!
MCDONALDS IS BAAADDDD!
We’ll be dining on beetles and fermented grapes, m’lady.
@FP: Not unless they serve Prime Rib and have an extensive/expensive wine list…
I have to whine and then eat you first? I can do that!!!
But be careful of her lawn. Might have corn products on it.
Looking a bit…..er……………Well Al, I think you need to buy a few more of your own carbon offsets to make up for the obvious flatulence problem that your heft has caused….
Why do you think they started carbon offsets in the first place?
meh, ford just sucks in general. the mustang still can’t beat the corvette. wannabee!
Well, you know, unless you want to fit more than 2 people in a car.
And not incur my substantial girthian WRATH! ROWR!
They’ve angered the Gore! He’ll eat us all, run!! *cue Blue Oyster Cult’s Godzilla*
*runs away yelling with lips out of synch w/yells*
Ladies and gentlemen, exhibit (a) in why American cars suck.
Genuine
Mule
Crap
Generic
Made
Chevy
I bet it was them unionised workers.
They think they are owed a living for building cars and want to pass the blame onto CEOs who put themselves through an MBA and create wealth, jobs, profits and innovation.
Really? Perhaps you’d like to tell me whether you ride to work in a vehicle that someone bought (or leased [and hence assembly workers built]), or in a piece of management speak?
Wait, was he actually defending CEOs?
Dude, I thought he was being sarcastic.
I did, too.
From reading his trollisms from below, it would seem he was cereal.
I dunno; the jury’s out on this one, imo. He may prove to be a fruit loop.
Honey, he was nuts *and* and an oaf.
Cheerio(s) good sirs and madam! Cheerio(s)!
I’m having deja-chew on this one.
Thought it was done to a crisp.
Well, wheat and see.
Cheerio(s) good sirs and madam! Cheerio(s)!
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Honey, you’re nuts.
What about my nuts… honey?
They sure as hell ain’t no fruity pebbles, I can tell you that!
Possibly the’yre his Lucky Charms?
Employee wages and benefits are a small part of the problem. Trouble came when all three stopped building cars that people wanted to buy, forcing people to look at foreign cars, which they found were reliable and got good gas mileage. This has been a long time coming. There’s no reason for everyone to have to drive some gas-guzzler to work by themselves every day, except that public transportation and infrastructure like light rail has seriously lagged behind.
Yes there is. I’m an American.
I’m an American too, and I’m gonna buy the car that’s better quality that I can afford. My last two experiences with American cars were awful.
I actually bought a Dodge Durango back in 2000 that I’m still driving, and love it… Of course, it’s not helping my Carbon Footprint at all…
lol, carbon footprint? you tell a funny!
Did I hear someone needs to purchase some feetprints?
we do because we can. and if someone can afford the gas guzzler, you have no right to deny them that.
now maybe if gm put a stop to the union job bank, they could save a good chunk of money…
Well I can shit on your lawn …
*Gets videocamera to tape Pitty’s Lawn-Shitty for Youtube*
Do it again, Pitty, the light was bad on that take!!!
Wait wait! Get my good side!
*squatz*
All set!! I’ll forward a copy to our old friend DWN… I’m sure he’ll be pleased!
I’m sure that’ll resurrect our old lengthy discussions of the wang and all its permutations …
Hm, I think I need a stiff one to brace myself.
You need a stiff wang?!?!
-snickers – who dont viking gal?
I don’t.
*offers wang*
Is it detachable? Don’t want to get ‘Gored’!
*stops mid-dump on Cowlifornia’s lawn*
Wait. . . it’s not normal to do that?
Well, you do it because you … can!
Exactly! It’s my turd’s destiny to be on Cowlifornia’s lawn!
For *deep breath between pushes* Freeeee~~EEEE~~dom.
*cleans himself bidet-style with Cowlifornia’s garden hose and walks away*
Lefty, I think you’re eating too much corn…
*stares at it for a few seconds* Yeah, and the coloring is a little odd. Definitely not my best work.
But I give you an “A” for effort… now go get that Colon cleansed…
:
*firehoses*
This made me do a big lol
In fact I’m still giggling 
I’ll never hear the word freedom the same way again. People will have to ask me why I’m giggling and I won’t know what to say.
Tell them you’re a “real” American.
Especially when it’s three-eeee syllables.
Those aren’t farts, they’re Free-eee-dom Gas [tm].
That remind me of a joke Pitty…
Why are there so many young pregnant southern girls? Because it takes too long to say “qa-wuit-ee-it”
Or the Reverend Lovejoy type preachers that add syllables to everything, e.g., “Jee-suss-uh”.
YEAH!! Void where prohibited!!
Yeah….Fu(k you, Earth!
Yeah, that “individual liberty” stuff was getting old anyway.
Gas guzzlers unite for individual Freeeee~~EEEE~~doms!!
I actually said “liberty”, not “freedom”, but that’s close enough.
I’ll spare you the “infringing the liberty of one of us hurts all of us” argument because I suspect you honestly don’t believe it.
An excellent point, because wasting resources hurts no one.
Of course, the only logical solution to that problem is to simply forbid anything that contradicts your own personal sensibilities, right?
When did my personal sensibilities get involved?
When you unilaterally imposed your own definitions of waste and harm, of course.
You seem to be assuming that not only do I think gas guzzlers are cool, but I have a air-conditioned suburban McMansion garage full of the things, and that somehow makes your opinion more valid than mine. Why is that?
I reread all of SB’s posts and didn’t see that anywhere. I think you might be jumping to conclusions a little.
Well, to be fair, you two appear to be thinking pretty similarly on the matter, so what’s understood for you may not be for everyone else.
She never said a word about whether you think gas guzzlers are cool, nor did she even slightly imply you have a McMansion. She said nothing about your lifestyle at all.
She’s already hopped to a different argument, so she’s obviously not dealing with just the “wasting resources” issue. See below — I think that’s because she’s arguing against something she hasn’t articulated yet, and not only is it reasonable to assume it has something to do with my assumed personal beliefs (I suspect we wouldn’t be having this discussion if she thought I agreed with her on whatever it is), I think it’s likely.
You keep making leaps and putting words in her mouth. That’s no way to have an argument. I don’t think any of us really give a crap what you drive to be honest.
I’m pointing out your assumptions, and yes, actually, that is how to have an argument.
I’m still waiting for a response to my actual point rather than this “OMG wasting gas” straw man that you’ve both been trying to peddle. And let’s be honest — the only reason you’ve both hopped on that train is because you’re trying to paint me as a champion of gas guzzlers, which in your minds means you win.
Individual liberty doesn’t give you the right to harm others, and I include the environment in that. So wasting gas is not a straw man. It’s a perfectly good example of the point we’re trying to make. I’m not trying to paint you as anything. I just don’t think being able to waste vast quantities of gas for no good reason and polluting the environment really qualifies as a case of individual liberty.
Who defines “waste?”
I think anyone who travels for any reason is wasting gas.
Don’t you?
Thanks for your question, Mr. Vice President. I’m glad you asked. Everyone needs to go places, this is true. Wasting gas is using two or three times more gas to get from point a to point b then necessary. This is bad for the environment as well as wasting what isn’t a renewable resource.
You’re asserting that your personal liberty deprives everyone else of most of theirs. Why you? What makes your value judgments the official ones?
Eric, what makes your consumption “necessary”? Couldn’t you carpool? Take the bus? Ride a bike?
it’s necessary when it’s necessary, i mean, take the bus, walk and ride your bike all you like, but there’s still times you need a damn car (or truck, as the situation dictates).
So you say. But Eric’s already decreed that SUVs are unacceptably wasteful. What if I decree that single-occupant cars are unacceptably wasteful? You’re wasting lots of gas on hauling around tons of metal and seats and airbags that are just being wasted.
Why is his version of waste okay, and mine not?
I’d agree with that. I can’t even get to my house without an SUV, but folks living in the city can almost always take a bus, walk or ride a bike.
Does that mean I should move into the city to be a better person and avoid waste? ‘Cuz my response to that would be “when you pry it from my cold dead hands, baby.”
But, if you move into the city, everything needs to be piped, trucked, or flown in to get to you.
Of course, if you take up farming and stay out in the country, you’re using fertilizers and pesticides inefficiently, possibly receiving government farm subsidies, and wasting energy whenever something has to be delivered.
The solution is to shoot yourself in the head. (With an environmentally friendly, solar-powered, pneumatic spike gun, of course.)
Just make sure that spike is made out of something bio-degradable, Dhoti. Otherwise it’s not eco-friendly. I’d suggest an icicle or a pointy stick.
eh, i think you’re all taking this way too seriously. i mean i like Eric and all, but his opinion in no way dictate my actions. there’s this whole “law” crap that keeps getting in my way. i was trying to tell them it’s more ecofriendly when i ride on top of my diesel tricycle naked than if i wear a hat due to the increased wind resistance, but nooo… indecent exposure. bleh. anti-environment evil! that’s what i say.
but really, i mean, everything would be better off with more eco-friendly automobiles but that’s only part of the problem. once we deal with that, we still got power plants, planes boats, factories and cow farts. we’re doomed. might as well enjoy it in a very fast dodge viper.
the morality of the situation really comes down to the person. i mean, it’s like listening to a preacher talk about morality at a christian church then another at a hindu (temple?). same basic idea, but the details get all mucked up between the two, not that one is right or whatever from an objective uninvolved point of view, but from someone involved personally and intimately it becomes something much bigger and a pain in the ass.
so.. you want your hummer, you drive it, but don’t come bitching when the gas goes back up to $5/gallon. all i’m sayin… (as if it wasn’t enough)
The problem, wallFly, is that the “live and let live” approach isn’t what Eric’s pushing. He’s saying that you shouldn’t be allowed to drive it — that, more generally, individual liberty can effectively be restricted by fiat (little “f”) — and that, for unspecified reasons, his opinion is the only one that counts.
That’s what I have a problem with, not his hatin’ on Escalades.
I never said my opinion is the only one that matters. I’m just giving my opinion. I don’t have all the answers and I’m not gonna shut up just because I don’t have all the answers.
Geez, don’t go and get a persecution complex.
You’ve said that my liberty ends when it affects pretty much anything you can see, that government needs to force people to a standard of behavior, and that you think gas guzzlers should be banned. How, exactly, does that *not* mean that you think government should force people to follow your standard of behavior?
“My definitions” don’t have anything to do with anything.
The US is, by far, the #1 consumer of oil. Carbon emmisions are harmful.
I didn’t make any assumptions about your lifestyle at all.
You started off talking about wasting resources, but now you’re talking about pollution. It seems like, to you, those are just the symptoms; you’re arguing against the condition, but you haven’t said what that is yet. So yes, your definitions are very much at play here.
Wasting resources is harmful a variety of ways, with pollution being one of the most apparent when it comes to oil resources.
Now, I’m going to the gym, so here’s your cue to accuse me of any one or more of the following:
- stonewalling
- lying
- having a sense of humor
You humorless, stonewalling, lying bitch! How dare you have a life outside of PK! Come back here this instant and hit your refresh 100 times in a row to make sure you stay current!!!!
Gee, I must have hit pretty close to home to deserve that response, huh? I get the feeling you’re used to weaseling out that way…
And froo, thanks so much for your contribution. But I’m already well aware that you’re always willing to jump in and blindly defend forum regulars, so you don’t need to keep reminding me, okay?
Exercising in a gym is a massive waste of resources, you do know that, right?
Considering the fact that a few days ago Suicide and I had our own knock-down drag-out over a particular topic, I’d say your vision is flawed. But thanks for continuing to be a douche, the world needs more like you.
*snicker* Yes, I’m sure it’s exactly as you described.
Link or it didn’t happen froo.
Don’t link, froo.
*visions of sexeh lesbo rasslin*
I’m sure that’s the next series of posts coming, Charro
*refreshes madly*
Dhoti. It could be that you “hit close to home” (ooooooh), or it could be that I have a memory that goes back farther than 30 minutes, or it could be that I’m not used to being called a liar by random strangers on the internet and so I remember it, or it could be that I find your overblown sense of self-importance amusing and I like to stick your sad little putdowns in my pocket to use later, for the purposes of humor (try googling humor of that word isn’t familiar to you).
*adds “weasling out” to list of random accusations slung by Dhoti*
Whether you want to call it wasteful or not is of no real importance…the current consumption of oil by the US and other countries is not sustainable, and has a huge negative impact on the environment that affects everyone in real ways, including the pocketbook.
Again, this isn’t my “take” on the situation, and my “definition of what waste is” is of no real importance.
If people want to drive enormous vehicles, then auto makers should get to work producing large vehicles that run more efficiently. This likely would have already happened if there wasn’t so much money in oil.
Froo and I don’t share a lot of common ground when it comes to politics, but in our debates she’s never stooped to name calling or making shallow character judgements about me, which you do, and which only serves to show your own lack of composure and immaturity.
That said, I bet you never get laid.
*stands and applauds*
In other words, you can barely see straight when someone disagrees with your special little snowflake self, and the more mature and high-minded response you can come up with is just a bunch of lame personal attacks? And this is supposed to *change* my opinion of you?
Obviously this is my fault for giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you were deep enough to be worth talking to. Thank you for showing me my mistake.
…and right on cue, Eric stands up for the sympathetic basher. How unexpected.
Not at all, I only came up with one lame personal attack! And it was in the name of humor. But obviously I must have hit pretty close to home for it bug you so much…
Don’t worry, there’s always masturbation.
I love how you pay so much attention to me, Dhoti. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Well, the “infringing the liberty of one of us hurts all of us” argument can be easily played easily be shot down with the whole murder thing.
There are some liberties that society says that we should give up for the good of all, like ya know, stabbing everyone in the face.
Given that this whole discussion has been about the relationship between liberty, personal responsibility, and the welfare of others, yes, you could argue that, but only if you were an idiot of elephantine proportions.
Wasn’t Elephantine a Roman emperor?
no no he was a emperor penquin
I’m a roman emperor?
You are in my book.
Both Roman and Russian. romin’ hands and rushin’ fingers!
-cuddles with charro and viking gal- mmmm womens
*nibbles bitter troll’s ear*
-wiggles as his pointy troll ear is nibbled-
TEEHEE tickles bitter troll
*insert xxx-rated banter here*
*is red faced, out of breath and glistening in sweat*
That was fun.
-pants and smiles, his shirt buttoned incorrectly-
bitter troll approves…Mmmm afterglow
*Steps out of the bathroom stall*
Could you two PLEASE make sure the room’s clear before you do that again?
God it smells like fish and funk in here!
no problems
we do on your bed next time
then on your kitchen table
*blush* Sorry Max.. We don’t have a cool castle like you and Jane.. Just my little moat and bitter’s bridge.
Your place is so much neater.
That’s fine, but please use the bedroom on the 6th floor of the fortress of Doom, its a waterbed and Charro might appreciate that more.
Ooh, waterbed. I DO appreciate. Thanks Max!
You sure know how to treat the minions darling!
charro no minion, charro mermaid. They are easy to confuse, though.
Though, what are you and Max doing later? *winks*
I sure hope we’re playing “Torture the Captive Bride” again.
*giggle*
I sure hope you can teach me and bitter troll that game. Sound like fun.
bitter troll is charro minion-nods-
Are you allergic to latex, whipped cream, and inverted sitting positions?
All at once? Never tried it like that..
bitter troll only allergic to overly gruff billy goats
is willing to sign waver-nodnod-
“Wasn’t Elephantine a Roman emperor?”
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Constantine was the emperor, Elephantine was his fat sidekick.
Elephantine was the god he saw after too much Bacchus.
Nelly the Elephant packed her trunk and tramped right off to ci~rcus.
Your analogy blows elephants.
Do you really imagine the founders intended individual liberty to be void of any sense of responsibility to the community as a whole?
Thomas Jefferson would fu(k your shit up.
If you think that’s what I said, then I suspect you might be suffering from a sudden lack of oxygen. Take several deep breaths.
Then what were you saying? Because without further explanation that’s exactly what it looks like you were saying.
As slan pointed out, in the founders’ day, liberty was tied to personal responsibility. (I’ll assume you agree with that because you responded to me, not him.) So at what point did the definition change?
So what happens when people don’t use their liberty responsibly, like say, wasting vast quantities of gasoline in gas guzzling automobiles they don’t need?
To start with, I don’t necessarily accept your definitions of responsible behavior and what I do and don’t need. (Nothing personal.) In an ideal world, if I’m not directly harming you, you don’t have the right to tell me how to behave, and vice versa.
Now, as for indirect and third-party harm, that’s what regulations, surcharges, fines, and the like are for. If the EPA and the local DOT are properly funded, and I’m choosing to pay for it every time I fill up my Canyonero, then why not?
Because paying extra money for it doesn’t make it any less harmful. Sure, fines and stuff for being environmentally irresponsible are great and all, but it doesn’t fix the problem at all.
That’s not what I’m suggesting. I’m saying that, if we’ve done a reasonable job of considering all the ramifications, and consumption is engineered to balance them out, then that’s where your rights end.
I don’t disagree with you that waste is a bad thing. I disagree that government force is the only acceptable solution.
There’s a lot of different ways of defining personal responsibility — I’m inclined to not have the government enforcing on us a definition come up with by subcommittee.
“Driving a gas-guzzler” tends to be self-limiting by definition; if you get 12 mpg…you generally limit your trips because it costs you an arm and a leg.
I suspect most people drive vehicles that fall somewhere in between the extremes, anyway. Like me.
What you’re both suggesting would be great in a perfect world, but it’s not a perfect world and people still love driving gas guzzling cars. If the government doesn’t force people to be more responsible, then who will?
Now we’re getting to the heart of it!
Why do people need to be forced to do anything? Why aren’t we putting the focus on personal responsibility and informed decision-making? And who gives you the right — individually or collectively — to decide what constitutes acceptable behavior?
I don’t have that right unfortunately. But people know about the harmful effects and either don’t care or don’t believe it. Some things have to regulated for people.
“Regulated” is a bit disingenuous, don’t you think, given that you’ve already said that incentives are never sufficient? “Forced” is what you mean.
What is that that makes your opinion special? And would you still agree when your benevolent despot forces you to make the same sacrifice?
“Now we’re getting to the heart of it!
Why do people need to be forced to do anything? Why aren’t we putting the focus on personal responsibility and informed decision-making? And who gives you the right — individually or collectively — to decide what constitutes acceptable behavior?”
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Are these rhetorical questions, or what? People “need” to be “forced” to do anything, because, outside of an ideal world, and absent restrictions on behavior, they’ll do things that harm other people and/or society as a whole. Do you disagree?
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Your second question, (I’m paraphrasing a bit here) re who has the right to make and enforce the laws… we have elected lawmakers, policemen, judges, a court system, etc. — so I’m not sure what you mean by your question. Granted it’s not a perfect system, but what is it that you’re advocating instead, if anything?
Stow that “absent restrictions on behavior” crap — we’re talking about behavior in a modern, rule-of-law society, not some blank slate. And yes, I disagree — I think that, in a lawful society, the majority of people will attempt to balance individual liberty with personal responsibility.
Further, I believe that all people are intrinsically equal, and not to be separated into the masses and the governing elite. Eric — and possibly you too — seems to suggest that liberty is only permitted when you end up making the same choices he would make. I find that indefensible.
“Stow that “absent restrictions on behavior” crap”
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Wasn’t at least part of your point to ask why we need laws, rather than expecting people to take responsibility for their actions? So my answer was that without them, some people behave unethically or dangerously. Why is that crap?
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“And yes, I disagree — I think that, in a lawful society, the majority of people will attempt to balance individual liberty with personal responsibility.”
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But, then, apparently you *don’t* disagree, and/or I should have expressed myself more clearly. I think that, in a lawful society, most people who are not under duress (e.g., starving to death or something) will behave responsibly. However, there are going to be *some* people who behave irresponsibly or unethically, or who deliberately cause harm to themselves or others, so I think that some system of making and enforcing laws is necessary, if only for safety’s sake.
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I’m not sure who you think the “elite” is, or who you think I think the “elite” is (ooh, so confused now), unless you mean I was referring to the lawmakers, police, etc. I think that police officers and people in the criminal justice system (including a few of my relatives) have difficult and sometimes dangerous jobs, and deserve respect; however, I don’t think that’s the same as “elite”.
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Hope that’s clearer.
Blessed are the lawnmakers, for they shall inherit the earth.
no no meek still inherate it
but due to estate tax the law makers get most of it
take the rest in other taxs
No, of course I wasn’t asking whether we needed laws, hence the “stow it” point. I thought that was obvious. Why are you acting otherwise?
I’m talking about a society based on individual responsibility versus a nanny state. If you want to join me, go ahead.
In before some “one comment and run” person brings up some sort of chaos theory about how you filling up a car that gets less than 35 mpg city will kill 1,000,000 starving orphans and bring about the third World War!
Okay, but on a more serious note, these things don’t get solved because it’s not completely measurable. Will you filling up your tank scar the environment? Maybe, or maybe it will be able to recover and just shrug it off. We can’t tell.
Now knowing that fossil fuels isn’t an incredibly quickly renewable resource it would be nice if you tried to use less of it, or get more mileage out of what you do use. However, not being nice is perfectly legal. I personally don’t care what you drive, as long as you know the possible effects, etc.
(There I tried to say something intelligent today. I hope that come out coherently, as I have to run to the bathroom and exercise my freeeee~~EEEE~~dom on the toilet.)
You’re missing the point. We’re not talking about whether wasting gas is a good thing; we’re talking about the extent of personal liberty.
I don’t think I was missing the point. I think I was jumping up and down trying to type all while not peeing on myself.
The point that I was trying to make, and I think you were getting at a little bit, is that with personal liberty comes the right to make the choices for yourself if you understand the repercussions. That personal liberty shouldn’t be taken away for some harm, which they’ve already put what they feel are acceptable consequences in place, just because you didn’t make what they feel to be the absolute best decision ever. Close?
(Also running around on this one too. Gotta catch my bus. o.o)
*misses Sunday drives*
All these arguments for personal freedom sound good, except things often go deeper. I came up with the same argument for intervention that Lefty did, that freedom is good, but you have to have the right freedom, that for example I give up the freedom to stab someone in the face in exchange for the freedom to not get stabbed in the face, resulting in a net gain of freedom.
As for the argument that such intervention is impossible to do correctly because the Gov’t is inherently incompetent is wrong, the government will do what you want it to do, that’s the purpose of democracy.
The right to freedom comes with a duty to run society properly, and that includes raising CAFE standards to lower demand for gas, which is where the net gain of freedom comes in. Making it cheaper to lighten the burden on all citizens is worth asking more of the car companies, which is really all we’re talking about.
I don’t begrudge you for buying a car that gets worse mileage than another you could have chosen, but there has to be a limit as to how bad a choice a given person can make before it is decided (not by a shadowy cabal, but a responsible unbiased body, once again, democracy) that it will result in too high a burden on society, and that point it is bigger than you.
You’ll always be able to buy a suburban, it’ll just get better milage/be a hybrid, etc. It’s not even that hard or expensive to do. Every industry bitches about regulation and refitting, then go right ahead and does it for a tenth of the price that they told congress it would be. They did it with safety AND emissions standards in the 70’s, the coal plants just tried to pull it here in Canada a few months ago.
Again, we end up with the state dictating what otherwise legal choices are and aren’t acceptable. “The duty to run society properly?” That’s a new one.
But very few of you statists are justifying that decision beyond saying “people are making choices I disagree with; they shouldn’t be allowed to”. And you seem to be assuming that your own choices will always somehow still be allowed. So why, exactly, is personal responsibility insufficient? And when the state starts to impose life-changing restrictions on you, do you still agree?
No, i’m saying that a line should be drawn where personal decisions begin to affect the larger circumstance to an untennable degree, using murder as the logical extreme to prove the logic.
It’s not about what either of us think. My short list for dream cars includes a Cadillac Escalade, I just know that it will take regulation to make the same car more efficient. None of these measures are “life changing” for anyone, they are meant to make the current system run better for it’s own sake.
A controlled dialing up of average fuel economy, adoption of technologies like plug-in hybrids, and developing of biofuels on our terms and aided by reasonable regulation is a much more pleasant prospect than oil panics, inflation, economic burden and wasteful epic and sweeping conversion projects in terms of transitioning to a sustainable system.
I leave you with a quote from “Who Killed the Electric Car”,
S. David Freeman, former Chairman of the Board of the Tennessee Valley Authority, and Energy Adviser of the Carter Administration said
“It took a law to get seat belts in cars.
It took a law to get airbags in cars.
It took a law to get efficiency from 12mpg to 20mpg
It took a law to get catalytic converters…”
Seat belts were available on cars before they were a law, although I know at some point you had to add them on as an option.
I think the requirement for seatbelts was in the mid or late 70’s. Because I remember my parents having seatbelts added on to their new station wagon in the early 70’s.
Yeah, who needs the earth when we have liberty! Suck it, children of the future!
Barok Obamma haz alredee scrwed owr future in 3…2…1…
*knock knock*
I’m here to wire tap you.
There’s something wrong with me today. Everything keeps sounding dirty to me today.
)#&$%%#&*#$()$*&#%^$*$$)(#$(#^
You kiss your mother with that mouth?
I will absolutely NOT stoop to the cheap and obvious reply here of, “Nope…yours.” It would be wrong. True or not.
*resists urge to make comment about brak’s mother’s mouth in other locales*
Lol. Mom jokes. Always appropriate.
How about individual voluntary acceptance of responsibility and sacrifice in order to improve the human condition?
NOES!!! FURK YOU AND THE HUMAN CONDITION YOU RODE IN ON!!!!
My human condition has absolutely nothing to do with furking, thank you very much. I’ve always been very careful. Except that one time.
Daddy?
bitter troll glad him bitter troll and not hooman with conditioner
I’m glad I’m a mermaid.
as charro mermaid you has singing crab like other mermaids? none of bitter troll’s crabs sing…they just itch
My singing crabs don’t like Ed’s moat too much.
Under the sea, under the sea.
Can you go beat Ariel’s ass for me? I’ve had to put up with her stupid movies for years now.
*swims off to beat up Ariel*
I never liked her anyway. Preachy little slut.
Yeah, for real, she gave up being a mermaid just to get some from another fvcking species. WTF is up with that?
freakish!
I know, right?
*looks down*
Yep, still a mermaid. So, bitter troll, what you doin later? *winks*
molesting the charro…is ok, troll and mermaid loven not bad
Yeah it’s not. *shivers in girlish anticipation*
-throws charro under his shoulder, looks for a bridge to take her under-
brb, need troll lovens
Oh… mai. That was.. hee hee. I do love our trysts, darling.
once you go bridge troll
it physically impossable to go back-nodnodnod-
*puts down his book and crawls out from underneath the bridge*
Goddammit you guys are everywhere!!
*blushes even more furiously*
Sorry.. again.. Max.. You can’t stop our love!
Oh….er…..ahem….*koff koff*
sorry brak, did bitter troll get some on you?
bitter troll is a pretty good distance shot
As somebody who’s generally at least reasonably pro-union, I’m going to have to agree with Cowlifornia on this one. The job bank program is a real sinkhole for cash. (For those that aren’t aware…it’s basically continuing to pay workers who don’t actually have work to do.)
“Trouble came when all three stopped building cars that people wanted to buy, forcing people to look at foreign cars, which they found were reliable and got good gas mileage.”
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I thought this was an example of the wonderful, fabulous, free market. No?
That’s exactly what it is, and exactly why the bailout of the car companies never should have happened. If you can’t streamline and keep yourself competative, as Ford has done, then you need to fail and make room for something better. It’s the American way, and has led to some of the greatest innovations in our history.
I think it’s one of those “Big Picture” thingies.
See, in the short term, we’re saving all those jobs of people working at those companies, that’s a good thing, right? Well, yeah for right now it is.
But in the Big Picture, it’s NOT a good thing because we’re rewarding them for failing to stay competitive with their foreign counterparts. They need to lead, follow, or get out of the way. And we’re hindering them from the evolution in a free market society. There, there, giant automaker. It’s ok. Fail, fail and fail again. We will still give you money.
As a former auto worker for the big 3, i spent well over a decade of my life in one factory or another makeing auto parts in outer detriot. I feel i have a inside look into the way things went in there. Yes saveing the jobs of the auto workers, the everyday blue collar guys was important, but there was ALOT of waste, and alot of greed. mostly on the white collar side, but also in the blue. Honestly stepping back and looking at it from a outsider point of view, it should of been allowed to fail. yes less jobs in detriot that needs them so badly, but thats how it works. If you get to big and to greedy and crap on the little guy enough, you will tumble. By allowing them to keep going at the size and rate they are, its giveing a green light to other companies that failed. I lost my auto job last year, lost my home and car, lost all my saveings trying to save that stuff. My job lose was due to Factories shutting down, not because of something i failed to do. It wasnt just my factory shutting down too, alot of them where doing it, looking back i can see why. sure we made good money, but damnit i earned that money working in that fiber glass hellhole everyday. working in a oven surrounded by glowing red metal coils a foot from me in the summer time. if you never worked in fiberglass i doubt you can understand, just imagin rolling around in your insolation upstairs for 10 hours a day then trying to relax after work.
Im getting off track here…But yes the companies should be allowed to fail, it will suck for alot of people, but not suck for so many more. when the old blood becomes stail the young blood must challange and remove it, to keep the cycle going
Sorry to hear about your job loss and the resulting financial woes. A lot of us are in more or less the same boat.
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I’m old enough to remember when the big three first started getting their collective asses whipped by Toyota et. al. They basically took the attitude, “You’ll buy our gas drinkers and LIKE it, dammit!”, but once it became profitable for them to make smaller cars, they did.
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In a larger sense, I think we may be looking at a very different economy in the future. The previous economy was dependent on some very unsustainable practices, e.g., people spending more than they had by over-using credit cards. With so many of us unemployed or underemployed or employed in jobs that barely pay enough to live on, we’re not going to see the same kind of economic waste that we used to, and the companies may have to start scaling down production because people aren’t buying sh!t-tons of stuff anymore. It would all be very interesting to watch if it weren’t causing so many working folks to suffer.
The attitude I’ve hated from American auto makers for the longest time has been the guilt trip about buying American cars. “Buy American or else all these guys lose their jobs.” Emotional blackmail isn’t a great way to sell something. It didn’t matter that the cars were inferior to the foreign ones, just buy them to save American jobs. Pfft.
Industries grow, they evolve, they change and become better or fade away to leave room for that next new innovation or production line that employs people for the next generation or two……I’m not sure why everyone is so stuck on keeping a dying giant around to suck all the air out of the atmosphere. Can you imagine if we’d had textile mill bailouts back in the day, or bailed out the meat packing industry during the times of “The Jungle”, or if we’d bailed out the coal mining industry to keep the children working? Why is it so hard to just let things go away? Are we all falling victim to the fallacy of tradition here?
Inferior is a matter of opinion. I’ve had much, much better luck with American cars than the foreign ones I’ve owned. The three most horrendous vehicles I ever owned were a Volvo, a Volkswagen, and a Toyota. My last two have been Fords and I’m very happy with them (I’d probably still have the first one except for it getting broadsided by a dingbat trying to make a left through my car.)
And remember, Eric, if all the autoworkers lose their jobs, then they can’t afford to buy stuff where you work and you end up losing yours. It affects all of us.
bitter troll wonders where the hell all the flying cars from back to future is?
its in the 2000’s ready…has jetsons lied to us?
and where bitter trolls jive talking robot maid?
But you have a sweet mermaid.
like sweet mermaid in my flying car!
If you had a flying car I would love to be in it.
Too late. Most of them here have already lost their jobs, including the Chrysler plant right here in Fenton, MO. They’ve already knocked down the Ford plant. I don’t want American auto makers to fail. I want them to improve so they can succeed. It’s great that you’ve had such good luck with Fords, and I know other people who also swear by them. I have to say, though, I don’t hear many good things about Chrysler/Dodge including myself.
I know firsthand how hard it can be for auto workers as my stepfather worked for Chrysler for 20 years. He spent most of the time I knew him laid off from the Fenton plant before getting transferred to the Huntsville, AL plant. They get paid well, that’s for sure, but when they’re not working, ouch. I don’t wish that on them, but I’m not about to be guilt-tripped into buying a car I don’t want to save them.
Also, many foreign auto makers have plants here in the States. It’s not a black and white issue at all.
Yeah.. I live in the Michigan of Sweden, so to speak, with Volvo and SAAB’s main factories both being within 50 miles from here. (Volvo actually in this town.) I have the same sentiments – it’d be nice if they could be competitive in their own right, but today they just aren’t.
I’m in two minds about the aid they get to stay alive. So many companies around here depend on them more or less totally (which is f-ed up in itself) and tons of people would become unemployed if they croak completely, so for society’s sake it’s kinda smart short term to put them on artificial life support, but long term it just makes things quite unsustainable.
Oh, and of course, Volvo = Ford and SAAB = GM, so I know why they all went wrong. ;p
Two points i’ve noticed, one is that it matters where a company’s headquarters are, they’re goood for a lot of high-paying executive and professional jobs to do with research, etc.
The second is that the argument was made that the American makers had taken their lumps, and were turning around when the recession hit, and that they might’ve made it if it weren’t for that. Throw in some more oversight as a condition of the bailout and it’s not such a bad deal.
They should’ve had a gut check a decade ago and things were ugly (corporate culture wise) for a while, but this is now and it seems to be getting better.
Just my two cents.
I’m sorry to hear about your job loss too.
its ok, got a new job here at comcast
its comcastic!
I’d prefer to work at Cox because it sounds dirty.
Bitter troll has a job? I thought you just lived under bridges and ate children?
Dude, the right to be cabled is CONSTITUTIONAL!
lol typical america
lol Airbus
Go boom
Airbus stole all their designs from Boeing (who invented the jet airliner). The only reason they get away with this is underhanded deals with the WTO.
If you’re saying that whoever created the first operational jet airliner must have “invented” the jet airliner — which I don’t agree with — then Boeing stole it from de Havilland. I don’t, however, disagree that Airbus’ strategy is to wait for Boeing to establish a market, then snipe at it.
And yes, they and their “regulator” friends are impressively shady. (I recall reading that an ex-NSAer loved it when the agency spied on trade deals between Airbus and Boeing, because Airbus was invariably bribing the customer/government.)
Srsly dude? I wasn’t even on this lol. You have to be the most inept stalker troll ever.
Pre-emptive stalking trolls… I think we need a ruling on this one.
I rule we need some hot girl-on-girl jello wrestling.
I say go with cold jello. Hot jello could cause nasty burns.
…and make it Lime Jello, for God’s Sake!!!!
I would accept the red kind. It’s pretty nummy too.
Cold jello would have another rather positive effect I think.
I don’t know why you say goodbye I say jello.
Yesterday….
All my jello seemed so far away….
Now it seems it’s in my pants to stay
Oh jello wrest’ling is the way…
I didn’t mean to hurt you.
I’m just a jello guy.
They call me Mellow Jello
(Quite rightly…)
Jello, is it Lime you’re looking for?
I can see it in your eyes
I can see it in your smile …
Jello, I love you
You taste is so great!
Jello, I love you
Won’t you jump in my face!
Pools of jello, red and lime are drifting through my opened mind, possessing and caressing me.
Jello…jello…
you say goodbye, and I say Jello.
*Didn’t realize my previous jello/Beatles reference had already been used*
I’m on the highway to Jello…
If you’ve got cheatin’ on your mind,
Jello now, get it over.
Jello Mary Lou,
Goodbye heart…
Jello, my friend, Jello
Just called to let you know
I think about you every night
When I’m here alone
And you’re there at home
Jello.
Jello, I love you
Won’t you tell me your flavor?
Jello, I love you
Let me jump in your game.
We all live in a jello submarine!
A jello submarine, a jello submarine!
Jello it’s me…
Jello jello jello jello jello jameleon,
you come and go, you come and go.
Wrestling would be easy if your flavors were how I lean,
red orange and green, red orange and green.
This thread is relevant to my name… Carry on!
bitter troll agrees DT
*has a sad*
It’s hard for mermaids to find work in the jello-wrestling circuits.
bitter, love, would you cast the charro leg making spell so I can participate?
-sets down the charro-
bitter troll cast shaman voodoo on fins..
-does his troll dance, throws bones around, wiggles troll butt-
VAMOOSH!
nice gams
*wiggles toes* Wooo! I’m ready for Jello wrestling!
I think maybe bitter troll is too.
i love how he’s pretending to be your dad when we all actually know your dad. you not only have an inept stalker troll, he’s quite dumb too.
F#$%^&*$%^&*!! i forgot to change my name back from messing with you on friday.
(p.s. i do still want those boob tassels back)
I thought you did it on purpose to show my new stalker that you have a previous claim on me.
ok, then we’ll go back to that one. because i did have first dibsies on the “stalking jane” market.
Eeeeeeeeexcellent. *hides red boobie tassels while stroking a hairless cat*
you know, i think i’ll let you keep the red boobie tassels… i coated them with itching powder anyway. have fun with that.
Hmmmm, so that’s why when I tested them out on one of DWN’s harem girls she started clawing her nipples off. I just thought it was incredibly poor form. *washes boobie tassels in cortizone cream*
Bless you.
Yeah, I was thinking that, too. Charlie would never make an announcement like that. How is Charlie?
He’s good but busy. School starts soon and once again he’s realized that he did almost no planning over the summer.
Not to mention the fact that we know who your dad is.
Jane has a dad? I thought she was the product of some science experiment to engineer the perfect woman!!
Perfect?
Yep. Perfect.
Damn Straight…
Awwwwwwww. *squeezy hugs all ’round*
But wouldn’t the perfect woman be bi?
Polymorphously perverse. And she is.
wait…janes a woman?
Nope. Actually, I’m Jane. Jane is my other personality. It’s a deep dark secret I’ve kept for a long time now.
well eric you have very lovely boobies, just wanted to throw that out there
Pfft. Tits or GTFO.
cows have tits, womens has the BOOBIES!
Birds are Boobies.
You’re sub human. You wouldn’t know.
bitter troll not sub hooman
hoomans are sub troll!
A Tit is also a bird. Just sayin’.
so you saying eric has lovely birds?
If bitter is really Jane… I have many many many years of therapy that I need to start attending….
Bah.. not bitter… Eric… either way…. therapy… need it.
Don’t believe his lies, Max dear. Besides, I’d think you’d know the truth after the last, erm, pelvic exam.
how is her pelvic by the way?
good bitter troll hopes
That’s none of your business!
But the video is up for purchase on my website!
I’d take it as compliment Jane, You’ve obviously wounded a troll so badly, he’s posing as a person who’s ALREADY a regular poster here on PK…
Self-revealing oblivious idiocy fail on the troll’s part.
At least good trolls can do research…
I do like watching their last attempts at trolling as they thrash around bleeding. I think I stuck this one good.
I like my troll’s kosher anyways… although we should hold the BBQ till we have our grill lighter.
Pictures one and two are why I want to high-tail it out of Michigan as soon as I can.
Ford however,didn’t take my money,and isn’t owned by Obama.
Ford fights socialism!!!
Ford have fought socialism from the very beginning.
“New York socialism was, and is, completely headed and manned by Jews.” – Henry Ford in THE INTERNATIONAL JEW,
THE WORLD’S FOREMOST PROBLEM
Eh,I never said he fought the right people at first.
Growing up in Michigan,they always hide that Henry Ford was anti-semitic. It really is a shame that he felt that way.
But in the present, with Henry dead and gone, they’re putting up a good fight against a real socialist. You know,the man destroying the free market economy…?
Dramatic much?
I GOTTA SING!!! I GOTTA DANCE!!!!
EVERYTHING’S COMING UP ROOOOSSSEEESSS!!!!
*softshoes*
Ginger ain’t got shit on you, baby!
If you’ve got ginger in your shit, you’re definitely doing it wrong.
I’ve got corn in mine. That’s fine though, right?
I’ve just about had it with your corny shit!
Lend an ear, niblets….plenty more to come.
It’s hard to get through the maize of puns in this thread.
Bloody things are stalking us.
And to think that I helped start one. Ah, shucks. *ear to ear smile*
Tone it down, or that husky voice will bring on the porn cobs.
May be a kernel of truth to that.
*jazz hands*
annnnddd…. starwipe.
This is fecking high-larious, considering how hard Henry Ford worked toward his ideal of the company town – which was essentially imposing socialism on his employees’ families, with himself and the corporation standing in for big government.
You can have it an any color as long as its Black Obama.
WTF is that supposed to mean?
No idea. I have to turn my brain off to think like this
lol, but i don’t want my car to be shot at every time i go out!
Well, aren’t YOU the racist fu(kwit!
Now now, Ivan, be nice to the poor little fellow. He’s obviously mentally damaged and probably deranged. Let’s take up a collection so he can buy the helmet that he so desperately needs instead of berating him as he walks down the street.
*Finds old hockey-helmet and gives it to Froo*
Here you go!! Now send “Little Gretzky” back to his happy place.
And tell him to puck himself.
Way to stick it to him, Pitty… was that your goal?
Don’t make fun of the handicapped. That’s skating on thin ice.
True, but he pushed me to the rink.
I guess I’ll forgive you. Sometimes you have to give them a check or two.
As long as we don’t Bruin his reputation.
Jeezis on a zamboni! Who gives a Flyering Fcuk about his reputation!?
It’s time to Leafs him alone. It’s just a big power play to you guys, isn’t it? He’s already singing the Blues from all the Flames.
Plus it looks like he already Jetted.
I think you’re right… his reputation doesn’t add up to much more than a rat fart in a Hurricane…
Well, when people make comments like that it can get pretty Messier.
…kind of like rowing upstream without an Orr…
I Stanley by my original post. I don’t want to Cup him slack.
He’ll be as mad as (Miroslav) Satan when he sees what you said, Pitty…
It’s a Hull of a strong statement to make.
No matter Howe you slice it, this is not a Capital idea. I think it’s time to Ducks and run.
As a hardcore hockey fan, I love the Fleury of hockey puns in this thread. Just be sure you know where to draw the (blue) line.
As a person who knows damn near nothing about hockey, I really have no clue what the helmet’s going on anymore.
Only two minutes left in this minor thread.
There seems to be a lot of misconduct in this thread.
Blackhawk down! Blackhawk down! I’m gonna Maple like a tree, and Leaf.
I’m having a Devil of a time keeping up with the Avalanche of hockey puns. So, who here has earned their Red Wings?
Five minutes in the Box should take care of that.
Rehab should be the goalie, so as not to promote recidivism.
*contributes the tinfoil for the lining*
wait, deranged mental retard, you gives hockey mask too?
that just asken for trouble
I like fruity nut cheerios but they won’t let me have a spoon
“It’s duller, you twit, it’ll hurt more.”
<3 <3 <3
He made that movie. He’s so much better as a villian than a good guy.
…which is why Snape should fry Harry forthwith.
“Can’t do anything right, can you, you twit? Here’s your failing grade…” *ZAP*
That’s it then. Cancel the kitchen scraps for lepers and orphans, no more merciful beheadings, and call off Christmas.
In this time of recession there are tough decisions to be made.
I’ve got no option but to sell you all for scientific experiments.
Just like to point out for the record: this is why government jobs are highly coveted, almost impossible to get fired and to boot you are always getting a raise….
Ford accepted no bailout money, they did lose money but they did what they could to stay afloat, especially by making the Fusion and the Focus, two top-rated American cars.
Except….Mullaly’s doing rather well, actually. Ford didn’t get a bailout and is the only one showing improvement. So, 1 out of 3 FAIL for the captioner. Whereas GM is now Government Motors, and Chrysler is owned half by the unions (can they give themselves even higher hourly rates now?) and by Fiat (“Fix It Again, Tony!”)
I feel like this would be a valid caption if GM’s chairman Rick Wagoner didn’t get fired. He was asked to leave a couple months ago in order for the company to get more financing.
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Mulally doesn’t really belong in this photo. Ford is about the take over the domestic auto industry.