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  1. McFreddiez says:

    Rockets are FUN!!!

  2. McFreddiez says:

    Rockets are FUN!

  3. i_am_number1 says:

    Wow! Those to really know what it takes to blow a person away!

  4. cocatopascus says:

    oh yeah , make fun of them , they’re nothing but a bunch of kids who get to watch a family member or a friend die everyday .

    • pittypat says:

      I watch care trolls care more than me every day *sobs*
      (Or is that *s.o.b.s*)?

    • i_am_number1 says:

      I was using a play on words you friggin’ twit! I know that they see family and friends hurt and/ or killed and it breaks my heart. No one deserves to have that happen in their lives. And I will thank you kindly to remember that we have the right to speak freely.

      • pittypat says:

        Looks like cocatopascus needs to pass up more coca …

      • I Like Peanut Butter says:

        I kinda like it. When muslims stop bombing $hit then this will stop being funny. *opens arms wide for flamethrower of how muslims are not the only ones blowing stuff up, and it’s not all muslims, etc etc etc….*

        • *passes ILPB the 20,000 SPF sunscreen*

        • Bitter's Chef says:

          Roasted peanut butter, mmmm.

        • moe says:

          Actually there’s something written in Hebrew on the missile, and Israelis bomb $hit too, quite a bit.

        • Igor the Vigorous says:

          -B*tch slaps ILPB-
          Sorry, nothing personal.
          It’s a requirement.

          • I Like Peanut Butter says:

            Last person to bitch slap me broke their wrist on my face….. you need to see a doctor? :-p

            Requirement for what though?

            • Igor the Vigorous says:

              For the “When muslims stop bombing $hit” part. Hoihoihoi, Drivin’ me nuts.
              And doctor? I’ve been working on a farm for the last 5 weeks. If you could see my hands, you’d run away from my keyboard.

              • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                Come on, that was funny. Obviously you’ve never seen YAAFM. I recommend it.

                As for the dirty hands, meh, nothing worse than you’ll find in a shit tank on a Naval Vessel. :-)

                • Igor the Vigorous says:

                  It’s not so much that they’re dirty, although, I haven’t been able to get the dirt out from under my fingernails all week, so much as they’re heavy and rough and full of several splinters.

                  • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                    OOOOHHHHHH sounds like someone’s getting gruff. Haven’t you read Of Mice and Men? You’re supposed to have at least one hand in a petroleum jelly glove to keep your hand soft for your woman. :-)

    • Sud_Vicious says:

      And they are having a missile celebration.

    • carebear says:

      well, they dont have family members dying every day, israel long ago stopped all operations in gaza. if they do die, its inside struggles for power.
      also, why is there writing in hebrew on the missile?

    • Brett says:

      yea… theyre the victims- definitely not the people the rocket is intended for

  5. UpTheYingYang says:

    Every day? Big family!!!

  6. speckledtrout says:

    Looks to me like they won first prize in the school science fair.

  7. Rigid says:

    rockets: because fireworks are too foreign.

  8. someone nice says:

    well i find it refreshening that they now allow girls to their whole… “thing”

  9. obligated says:

    All seriousness aside, does ACME carry that line?

    • ay dios mio says:

      “but I’ve been shopping here for fifty years!!1!!”

      “I can give you like a store discount.”

  10. Justacarolinian says:

    *puts on asbestos suit* Hmmm, time to sit back and watch the flame war. Sun tea anyone?

    • Jane St.Clair says:

      Mmmm, sun tea! *takes a glass from Justa*

      • Justacarolinian says:

        Lemon?

        • Jane St.Clair says:

          Yes please!

          • Justacarolinian says:

            One or two ice cubes?

            • Is is sweet tea? *hopefully*

              • Justacarolinian says:

                This is the south, you want sweet or diabetic suicide?

                • Just sweet’s good, thanks! :-)

                  • *pours glass* Yes, I like mine lightly sweet too. Anyone else want some tea? Some one needs to break out the Hot dogs and burgers. And the first idiot that starts the lolspeak gets shot.

                    • the_original_shortright says:

                      i made homemade burgers on sunday. diced onions and garlic and minced fresh spinach in with the meat. they were quite tasty! i could whip up a batch for this crowd if only we had a flame to cook them over.

                      • Jane St.Clair says:

                        Only a very tiny flame below, but it was a hit and run poster. If we were invited to your facebook flame war we’d have a bonfire.

                        • I tried to get it started, yankee comments and all.

                        • Jane St.Clair says:

                          Oh but I am a yankee, I’ve done enough time in the south to know I don’t want to live there permanently. ;)

                        • the_original_shortright says:

                          the fb one would have needed a few dozen fire trucks by the time you ladies would have been through with it!

                        • The south has mosquitoes, the north snow and ice. Don’t go there with the rednecks. I was visiting Shiloh Ohio one time, and went to the annual town festival. Other than the Amish, I have more teeth in my head than that entire town.

                        • the_original_shortright says:

                          i live in ohio… i don’t even know where shiloh is. is that in the same god forsaken area as the “creation museum”?? sometimes i wish parts of my state didn’t exist.

                        • Mansfield. It’s also the turning point of the civil war. (so the plaque says, entering into town.) Every time I went there, I could just see Elmer Fudd naming that town on the way. Wooster!

                        • the_original_shortright says:

                          mansfield is an ok town… the prison there is pretty badass too. they filmed shawshank redemption inside it. :)

                          wooster though… well, we all make fun of wooster. especially the college of wooster. they put COW on their sweatshirts… someone’s gotta have figured out by now that that’s not really the acronym they want, but noooooo.

                        • College of Wooster fight song. (link)

                        • Jane St.Clair says:

                          Hey, snow and ice means that bugs and spiders never have the chance to grow to epic proportions like you get down south.

                      • I LOVE garlic burgers. Never tried the spinach, but I will soon. Thanks for the idea. I got so addicted to the garlic (fresh pressed) in my hamburgers, that it got so that I could fart and it smelled like garlic. (I know, TMI)

                        • the_original_shortright says:

                          i don’t generally like pressed garlic (i find it doesn’t have enough texture) so i just do a really fine mince on the garlic and a rough mince on the onion. the spinach i do about a handful of spinach for every 4 burgers. chop it up pretty finely… about the same size as the onion. then salt and pepper. i hadn’t used the spinach before but mom needs more iron so i’m trying it in everything.

                        • Broccoli is great for that too. I personally love collard and mustard greens. And, if you can handle it, liver and onions. B12 will help you with that too, as it boosts your own liver functions.

                        • the_original_shortright says:

                          i love broccoli. it’s one of my favorite veggies. we had steamed broccoli with the burgers actually. because i live up north we can’t get our hands on collard greens very easily… but i’d probably like them.

                          liver i only eat if it’s properly made into haggis. otherwise i’m a bit squeamish. weird, right?

                        • froofrou says:

                          It’s COLORED greens, Shortright. Geez. They don’t call them collard people.
                          -
                          /quote from TV, people. It’s from TV!!!! lol

                        • the_original_shortright says:

                          for a moment i was very confused thinking that i’d actually made like a huge faux pas… lol! nice one, froo!

                        • @froo: The Office, right?

                        • Fried liver is ok. But there are other ways of getting plenty of liver in your food. Try some piedmont pate! (link)

                        • froofrou says:

                          Yes, Diss. One of my favorite shows (I think I’m in love with John Krazinski), and Michael makes me want to slap him! That quote still makes me giggle every time I think about it.

                      • froofrou says:

                        My Nana taught me how to make Billy Burgers. You cook a thick burger seasoned with season-all and a little Woostershire sauce, grill them until they are ALMOST done, then put cream cheese mixed with chopped jalapenos on top of them until they are done. MMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!

                        • CAN YOU NOT READ? AAAAAAAAGGGHHHHHH (Avatar…Cat on a diet)

                          (link)

                        • the_original_shortright says:

                          i like the sound of that. i hate trying to get like a cheddar or something to melt on top of a burger… it never melts right and leaving it on the grill long enough to melt over cooks the meat. i’ll have to try that next time!

                        • Idea! Mix some jalapeno ranch dressing in the burgers before frying? I get the real stuff, as a brother from church works in a factory where they make it for restaurants and such.

                        • Bitter's Chef says:

                          *heads off on tangent from froo’s recipe*

                          With all of the whining people have done about the way some pronounce nu-cle-ar as nuc-u-lar, or my personal favorite, the euros adding a syllable to a-lum-i-num to pronounce it al-u-nin-i-um . . .

                          . . . how the heck do the New Englanders get a free pass pronouncing Wor-chest-er as Woos-ter, or by extension, Wor-chest-er-shire sauce as Woos-ter-shire sauce?

                          (sorry Froo)

                          Woos-ter is a city in Ohio, the city in Massachusetts is Wor-ches-ter damnit.

                          *stomps off to the phonetically correct kitchen to cook next batch of troll chow*

                        • the_original_shortright says:

                          actually… the city in ohio isn’t so much woos-ter as it’s woooooooooo-ster. hence, why the rest of ohio kinda pretends it isn’t there.

                        • JackSJ says:

                          Reply to : Bitter’s Chef July 31, 2009 at 5:47 pm

                          I may be wrong, but I think it was discovered and exploited first in Europe. Napoleon had a tea set made of it, it was so rare at the time.

                          Worcestershire is a county division of England, and it is pronounced in educated English as “Woostersh’r”. The sauce is therefore “Woostersh’r Sauce”.
                          “Worcester” (pronounced “Wooster”) is the significant town of Worcestershire, and gave it its name.
                          Presumably in certain parts of the USA where English may be spoken in a way more like the UK English, this original pronounciation remains.

                          I note that searching on Google, I get several spellings as “Worchester”. This is not found in the UK – maybe it is Americanised?

                          I write this from the South Coast of England.

                          The same comment/reply at the end of this “blog” (is that the right term?) was because I am unfamiliar with how to point my reply at the right place. Sorry.

                • Eric-in-STL says:

                  I’ll take diabetic suicide, thank you. Anything to drown out the actual taste of tea. (Which the only sweet tea we get in St. Louis is freakin’ McDonalds.)

                  • Justacarolinian says:

                    EXCUSE ME, HELLO EXCUSE ME. Sorry to shout, but we will now pass the hat around and take a collection for Eric. The poor man actually has to drink the muddy water that Mcdonalds calls tea. Oh the horrors. Can we please get together and send him some real tea and let him brew his own? Come on, I know you have compassion. *passes hat*
                    Oh, thank you Jane. Yes froo, you can make change. Tyler, you that stingy? Wow Charo, you are sooooo generous!

                    • slan agat says:

                      *drops half a box of Barry’s Irish tea bags in the hat*

                      Short on cash this week, but an in-kind donation might do some good…

                    • charro says:

                      *sigh* charro has two “r”s in it..

                      And if I’d known, I woulda brought proper tea with me on my jaunt Wednesday.

                    • Eric-in-STL says:

                      I appreciate the thought, but I hate tea. The only reason I’d even consider sweet tea is the insane amount of sugar added to drown out the taste of tea.

                    • Igor the Vigorous says:

                      Hrm?
                      I’m a teenager, Justa. You think I have money on hand?
                      O.o

                      • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                        What do you have to pay for Mr. Tennager!!! :-p

                        • Igor the Vigorous says:

                          My rabbit’s stuff? And I have to make the cash I’ll be getting over the summer last, because I’m not working at a job- working for community service hours this summer.

                        • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                          I was being sarcastic. You should garden, makes it cheaper to buy rabbit stuff. Oh and the wood chipper (no you can’t hide the bodies with it)

              • froofrou says:

                If it isn’t, it isn’t tea.

                • True story. First time I went north of the Mason Dixon line, been riding in a car 8 hours with no ac, 100+ degrees. Stopped for dinner at Denny’s, never occurred to me that THEY didn’t know how to put sugar in the tea. One half a glass gulp later, I KNEW. Almost died.
                  Then, to make it worse, I found out they don’t have livermush. Damn yankees!

                  (link)

                  • froofrou says:

                    The bad thing is, Damn Yankees drink HOT TEA. Oh, the humanity!!!! If it doesn’t throw you into a diabetic coma and doesn’t have ice, it’s not tea. It’s water you scooped out of a dirty mud puddle on the way to your table.

                    • I like the occasional hot tea. NOTE *in a mug* It still isn’t a glass of tea. Though I will admit that in Germany, hot tea is great when you are out in the cold. They have a different varitey than the average orange peoke, and they season it many interesting ways.

                    • Jane St.Clair says:

                      Oh yeah! Well when I lived in Virginia I was sick and tired of the fact that I couldn’t even get unsweetened tea at MCDONALDS of all places! If I wanted to quench my thirst with sugar I’d eat a chocolate bar. ;P

                      • McDonald’s tea is froo’s dirty water with waaaaaaaaaaay to much corn syrup in it, posing as sugar. Brake fluid tastes better.

                        • Jane St.Clair says:

                          Well, it’s not like I like iced tea from Mcdonalds. I just figured since I couldn’t find it without sugar anywhere else that a chain fast food place would have it but nooooooo.

                        • Just offering sympathies. Bojangles is one of my favorite places for out the window heart attacks, but they sweeten their tea with honey. Some people like that, but to me it tastes too close to tea that has spoiled. And spoiled tea will make you deathly ill. Don’t ask how I know.

                        • Jane St.Clair says:

                          I put a little bit of honey in my tea when I’m sick, but that’s hot tea. I have no idea how it’d taste cold.

                      • the_original_shortright says:

                        i dated a guy from virginia. i learned to be wary of any tea in his fridge after the first time i nearly landed in a diabetic coma.

                        • Usually people that like it that sweet, make it so strong it’s black. They boil it to death. Sun tea is not overdone, nor should it be made too sweet. I make my house tea in a coffee pot. Just right. About 1 cup of sugar to a gallon.

                        • froofrou says:

                          We have a Mr. Coffee Sun Tea Maker, LOL. Hubby, who hates sweet tea, still puts in about half a cup of sugar per batch. It’s VERY lightly sweetened, but it’s still there. I go ahead and add my half cup of sugar per big ass tea glass before drinking.

                        • Bitter's Chef says:

                          As a Yankee living in the South, its fun hearing Yankee visitors order “tea” in a restaurant, not knowing about the whole sweet/unsweet thing. Down here, “tea” is sweet as all get-out, unless you order “unsweet tea.”

                          If it’s somebody I like, I’ll save them and explain the sweet/unsweet thing, otherwise I stay quiet and watch the look on their face when the ingest the sugar equivalent of a hydrogen bomb.

                        • slan agat says:

                          Oh ma GAWD, a full cup of sugar to a gallon is not sweet to you? When I brew up a 3 liter pitcher of tea (8 Red Rose tea bags in 2 liters, microwave 10 minutes, stir in sugar, add the third liter of ice and cold water), I’ll use maybe a quarter cup for the batch – smooths the bitter edge, gives it just a hint of sweetness and keeps it refreshing without being cloying.

                          Also: Lemon. Never forget the lemon.

                        • One cup of sugar to a gallon is about half of what most restaurants use. I personally like about 3/4, but to keep peace with the wife and kids, I compromise with one cup. I also prefer it lighter than most people in the south want. I use Luisianne decaf, family size bags, and the box calls for 4 bags, I use 3. That makes (roughly) sun tea in the house. With 5 kids in the house, we make a gallon a day. Or more. Hold the lemon for me. Oh, NEVER let it get to a hard boil. Makes it bitter. I use a coffee pot for mine.

                    • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                      Hey do you know how cold it gets up der? Iced tea is the norm. You need it hot to just be luke warm.

                      • DO NOT PLAY WITH THE YELLOW ARCHES (avoiding yellow snow is a plus too)

                      • viking gal says:

                        Hot tea in the winter is essential, just so that you have a hot mug to warm your hands around!
                        @froo. For a different experience with hot tea, maybe you should try chai someday? Cinnamon-flavored strong tea with milk and honey–not at all like orange pekoe!

                        • Jane St.Clair says:

                          Yes, I likes Chai too. ^_^

                        • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                          I love me a Grande Skinny Chai Latte.

                        • Justacarolinian says:

                          I bought a box with about 20 different varieties, and I like one about once a week. Great before bedtime. And I have a real Greek friend who sends me Chamomile straight from the source.

  11. Random thought says:

    And they call our soldiers murderers because women and children occasionally get killed in war. If those same women had protested against their men’s villanous ways in the first place maybe there would be no need for wars. But instead they let therir men hide behind them and their offspring while baiting our soldiers to fire. Deranged mentality. Or ~~~ am I the one who can’t think straight ? Probably ! What do I know ? I’m not a soldier and have never gone to war. But I am a woman and a mother who would kill to protect her children and not let them be used as shields.

    • Jane St.Clair says:

      You also had the luxury of growing up in a society where, in theory, women have equal rights under the law. You make it sound so easy, like they can just up and say, “honey, I’m tired of you threatening to stone me every time I leave the house, I’m getting a divorce”. Hell, a lot women who grow up knowing that abuse is wrong and they don’t have to stay with an abusive spouse/boyfriend still stay in the relationship. It has nothing to do with them “allowing” it to happen.

      • I Like Peanut Butter says:

        “In theory” you were doing fine without that:-p. Seriously though, chicitas in the good ole USA have more rights than men (abortion, child custody, allimony, etc etc)

        • FRESH GRILLED HOT DOGS, get your FRESH GRILLED BURGERS. Ooooh, some one brought Brautworsts!

        • Semperfidd says:

          As a divorced male i would have to agree with that PB. Hell would have had to freeze over before I would have been awarded custodial parent. I have several friends in the same boat.

          • froofrou says:

            It’s slightly easier in Texas for the father to get custody of the kids, but you still have to have some serious ammo in your arsenal to do it. At least in Texas the dads get more rights, and custody is spelled out in minute detail so neither parent can screw the other out of visitation.

            • Eric-in-STL says:

              Apparently Arkansas is a great place for deadbeat dads to flee. Both my dad and my wife’s ended up moving there (close to the same town, small world, huh?) at some point after getting divorced from our moms. No, they never met.

        • Jane St.Clair says:

          The right to make 82 cents on the dollar…

          • I Like Peanut Butter says:

            Making money isn’t a right. The ability to get any job they dang well please without discrimination that’s they’re right. And that 82 cents on the dollar thing used to be 50 cents on the dollar. And let’s not forget the fact that in some states a woman can make more than a man, and after the divorce SHE still gets allimony. There are also plenty of states where a woman has won custody of the children even though she was proven to be abusive, just b/c children need the nuturing of a mother. Also the fact that it’s the woman’s choice whether to keep the child, however it’s the father’s wallet. (Spare me the he shoulda kept it in his pants speech, b/c she shoulda kept the knees locked.) Or the fact that some colleges purchase their female crew teams brand new equipment (whether it’s needed or not) to compensate for the money spent on the football team (gee wonder why college sports are being cut and/or college tuition is getting so expensive). I could really keep going, especially about father’s rights, but I’ll stop here.

            • Jane St.Clair says:

              Look, I have no idea why you’re freaking out. The reason I placed “in theory” in my original post is to illustrate that our country is set up to give everyone equal rights under the law. But don’t sit there and pretend that discrimination doesn’t happen because it does. It has happened to me and it has happened to a lot of women I know. That’s why I put the “in theory” disclaimer. It also has absolutely nothing to do with the point I was making to random thought and I have no idea why you felt the need to freak out and fly off the handle at me, especially in light of the fact that I wasn’t maligning you in particular or men in general. Take your crusade elsewhere because it wasn’t something I had any interest in today.

              • slan agat says:

                Don’t waste your breath, Jane, those MRA types are completely blind to their own privilege. You could come up with examples of discrimination and mainstream cultural hostility all day and night and it would be totes OK with the dudebros there.

                • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                  Funny slan. Have you ever lost visitation rights to your child b/c the mother just felt like it, or decided she wanted more allimony? Or how about the fact that your child was murdered, b/c it was “her” body? Or how about have your children moved across the country b/c the wife has custody and decided to take a job thousands of mile away? Until any of those things have happened to you, THEN you can get off your freaking high horse and come join the commoners. So it’s a Privelege for me to have a 35% chance to keep my daughter if my wife and I get divorced? Yeah such privelege. I would gladly trade 82 cents on the dollar in order NOT to have that privelege.
                  I never said there wasn’t discrimination, there is, and guess what it’s a two way street that the bleeding heart guilt filled liberals refuse to acknowledge. That’s the sad thing. I could point out time and time again cases of men losing court cases to women, but to you that’s not sexism is it? You really are a blind person at times, you know that.

                  • Igor the Vigorous says:

                    I’ve never had my baby murdered because it was “her” body because I’ve never impregnated a woman with my gametes and tried to force her to do something she didn’t want to, which would also adversely affect her and my life and her body. Just sayin’. Oh, and by the way, PB, with these rants, you’re the one sounding like a blind person. “the bleeding heart guilt filled liberals refuse to acknowledge.”

                    • Igloo McCoy says:

                      I agree with Tygor.
                      Come on PB. It’s obviously not a good thing for a father to never see his child but you’re going to go on and on about sexism towards men? Because, y’know, women have ALWAYS been favored in society. They get it sooo easy, they just make a little itty bitty less then men, that’s their only hardship.
                      Here’s an idea. You don’t want your wife/girlfriend/one-night stand to get an abortion? Don’t knock her up. If you knock a chick up and she decides, hey, I don’t want to carry this thing around for 9 months, push something the size of a watermelon out of a hole the size of a kumquat, and devote my life to raising and caring for it, it’s really her decision. Because it’s your sperm doesn’t give you the right to say, “no, you have to raise this thing and I’ll send you some checks in the mail.”

                      • Igloo McCoy says:

                        Woah! Look at that rant! Someone tell me to shut the f*ck up!

                        • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                          Shut the Fvck up.. :-)

                          Seriously though, if it truely is “her” body and
                          “her” choice, should a man be made to pay for it as well? How does that sound fair?

                          Look at it this way; you and Igor are arguing that “well women had it so rough for so long that it’s ok.” Well I don’t buy it. I don’t, and never had understood that attitude; “I hated it when it was done to me, so let’s do it to others.” You can’t fight sexisim, racism, bigotry with sexism, racism, or bigotry. Why is it any time that people talk about a “white man” not getting something equal, there’s the one of two responses. 1) Sarcasm “Oh the poor white man” or 2) “Well they had to put up with it for sooo long”.

                        • Eric-in-STL says:

                          Uh oh…I sense a thousand comment thread about to unfold.

                        • Igor the Vigorous says:

                          I never said “well women had it so rough for so long that it’s ok”.
                          I’m saying that if a woman wants an abortion because it would adversely affect her life, and it would cause her nine months of pain, problems, and hormonal issues, then finally force her to give extremely painful childbirth for several hours (by the way, most people who don’t give birth cannot mentally imagine the pain of childbirth. On a physician’s scale through 1-10 of pain, childbirth is 7. A man breaking his penis is 8, and most people never pass 4-5.)
                          What I’m trying to say is, if a woman wants an abortion, at least, the guy whose sperm impregnated her doesn’t seem like he should have all that much say- if she isn’t ready to raise a kid and devote her life to a child, then that’s her decision. I don’t really have much of a stance on the “coming out of a guy’s pocket” bit, either way.

                        • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                          Hey Igor, you know I’m Pro Choice, I just think that the laws are so vamped. My thought is simply that if she wants the choice, then she should be responsible for that choice, and not make the man pay for it. However a good father would want to be involved and should man up and pay. I’m just trying to make people aware of the “unfairness” or “inequality” of the laws. Does that sound better?

                        • Igor the Vigorous says:

                          :)
                          I think the sensitivity surrounding the end of a relationship- I.E., divorce, etc. are way too oriented towards making the girls feel better too. Did you read my story that I wrote a few minutes ago, though? ;)

                        • PB, if you’re really pro choice, you might want to lay off the “baby murderer” hyperbole.

                          Also, you’re kind of defeating your own argument by saying it’s unfair to make a man contribute to the upbringing of his child, but a good father should contribute to the upbringing of his child. Actually, what are you saying? Good fathers should pay child support but bad fathers shouldn’t? So confusing.

                        • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                          SB: See a conservative would know my point is not self defeating. The right thing to do morally, IS NOT always the right thing to force someone to do legally. That’s my biggest problem with the liberal agenda and radical christian right’s agenda, “If I find it moral, it should be law.” What I was saying is that a good father would willingly play child support, however he should not be forced legally to, IF the abortion laws stay the same. My point is, if it’s her choice, then it’s completely her choice. If she chooses to keep it he pays for it, however he has no say in the matter.

                        • I think that anti-abortion groups would be dismayed at your reasoning. If fathers weren’t legally bound to contribute to the upbringing of their children, I imagine fewer men would live up to their obligations. If a pregnant woman knew that the law would not support her right to keep a child and also receive assistance from the father, I would assume the rate of abortions would increase.

                        • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                          SB: Probably right, however then the choice would squarely be hers, and the law would be fair. However I think people would be surprised at how many Dads would step up if not forced to. I think there’s a stigma out there that men don’t care about children, which is similar to the “women belong in the kitchen” stigma. It just isn’t right.

                      • ay dios mio says:

                        Thats a good point.

                        I think many men are angered at the abuse of the power that women now wield. He didn’t say “no you have to raise this thing and I’ll send you some checks.” He was angry that many women use children as bargaining chips in divorces. If that man says anything he is then told to shut up cause women were kept down for so long (they were, i’m not trying to argue that). I’ve been through divorce, if a woman acts like a bi7ch it can be rough.

                        • Igor the Vigorous says:

                          Yeah. I don’t like the way a lot of women can abuse their position in certain scenarios, such as a divorce, and so far, I’ve been lucky enough to avoid most of that- last year, though, I had this girl whose life I really didn’t want to be around anymore, and so she got very pissy, blah blah, went to the class management (basically, the vice-principal) and lodged a complaint against me whenever she saw me hanging out with “her” friends. Family kept threatening to put me in court for “sexual harassment”- although I’d done my best to avoid her, and hadn’t done anything to make the issue she had with me “sexual.” It was a real pain in the ass, to say the least. Anyway, I get what PB is saying, definitely, but on the issue of pregnancy, I’m not particularly pro-men’s rights. However, I’m a BIG fan of men getting more rights in the terms of “He touched me! EEEEK!” and being given a chance to prove themselves innocent, or at the very least, not being assumed guilty.

                        • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                          The problems arise from giving ANYONE power over anyone else. Human’s are too dumb to have power over others. I think both sides need adjustment though. I think women should get paid equal, I think laws need to stop stereotyping men as dead beats, and I think that our society is too much into he said she said.

                        • ay dios mio says:

                          sorry to hear that igor a few years back this girl accused a guy of raping her and all the teachers just assumed it was true. After it happened all HER friends came forth and said she was bragging about sleeping with him. Faced with the pressure she folded and admitted that they didn’t have sex.
                          It made everyone realize that we take a woman’s word at face value just because they were kept down before now.
                          I just hate an abuse of power in the name of righteousness no matter who it is.

                    • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                      Igor, I admitted it was a rant agaisnt slan, b/c slan tries to throw this arrogance out there that just boils my blood. You know me, I don’t throw out lines like all liberals, and that wasn’t meant for all liberrals. There are liberals out there that have the “guilt” syndrome. It’s the “we oppressed them so long we’ll tolerate some loss of our rights to make it equal.” Same people who support Affrimative Action. I don’t, I want equality, no perks for anyone. Best qualified, and I believe I’m truely the most color, sex, religious blind person on this thread.

                      Once again; if it’s her choice and her body, then it’s also her wallet, not his. He coulda kept his pants zipped, she coulda kept her knees locked. Bottom line the way the laws are written it favors the woman. So when I hear how oppressed women are I get frustrated, b/c really father’s rights are about the same place as women’s rights were during Sufferage.

              • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                Jane: That’s not freaking out on you. Not a single insult in there. Trust me, look below at what I said to Slan that’s freaking out. Wondering why you think it’s a freak out?

                I admit there’s discrimination, I also know it goes both ways. Just because I’m a guy doesn’t mean that it couldn’t happen to me. I’ve also done research about pay. The problem is that men tend to demand more pay, where if women would do that then there’d be a good shot they’d get it. I could be wrong, and if I owned a company everyone would get paid equally, depending on the job.

                I just didn’t like “in theory”, caviating the freedoms we have does sometime irritate me, that’s all. Also I’m a huge advocate for Father’s Rights, b/c I hate the stereotype that men don’t want to be a part of their children’s lives.

                • Igor the Vigorous says:

                  PB, you sure sound like you’re going off. You’re typing 3 paragraphs a post, and this isn’t the place to have that discussion. It’s not what Jane was talking about at all. That’s why it sounds like you’re “going off” on her.

                  • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                    Nah going off is throwing out words like fvcktard, arrogant, freaking liberal, etc etc etc…..

                    • Igor the Vigorous says:

                      True, but that isn’t what she was talking about. You’re still going off if you make the conversation about something it wasn’t.

                      • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                        She was talking about women’s rights. I’m sorry, she said “in theory”, which means she doesn’t really believe that women have equal rights in this country. And since there’s chicitas holding a rocket in the picture, it’s pretty much on topic. There I too can use circular logic… round and round I go, where I stop… :-)

                        • Igor the Vigorous says:

                          I think the “in theory” implies that in a perfect world, both genders would have equal rights and be equally respected on different issues. So what she said about making 82 cents for every dollar, they’d be equal there, but men’s rights regarding divorce were a little *less* “equal” for women.

                        • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                          America isn’t a perfect world… it’s a perfect country.. ***bursts out laughing way too hard**

                • slan agat says:

                  The problem you’re up against is that for every one decent man who genuinely cares about and fights for an active parenting role with his kid after divorce, there’s about a dozen dudebros who use the very arguments you’re spouting as pretense for their refusal to pay child support or (EXACTLY the way you did above) go off on a rant about how they should have the sovereign right of control over a woman’s reproductive options and processes just because they managed at least once to leak fluids into one of her body cavities. And don’t you DARE get started on the false sexual harassment/assault accusations canard, when any reasonably well-read person here knows that only about 10% of REAL sexual assaults even get reported due to intimidation, shaming the victim and systemic biases.

                  • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                    Slan: Excuse me but you feed the stereotype. Was is it ok for you to throw out a stereotype, but if a conservative does it’s wrong. I can’t argue with you, you are on such a high horse, and feel your shit don’t stink so much it’s like talking to freaking wall, actually the wall will listen better. And where did I bring up sexual harrassment, that was your buddy Igor who did that. So you should actually read what people write, and STOP using your freaking stereotypes attitude towards them (isn’t that what you ask us not to do). MAN, you really REALLY need to realize how much you don’t listen.

                    Once again when you lose your children b/c a woman feels like moving across country, then you can bitch. Until you end up paying about 40% of your paycheck for children you can’t see, THEN YOU can bitch. GOT IT!!

                    • slan agat says:

                      Screw yourself and your impotent rage, PB. I fought for equal time with my daughter and won. If you didn’t, maybe you should have a good hard look at yourself and ask why.

                      • froofrou says:

                        Perhaps no money for a lawyer who could fight the good fight, perhaps state laws that are extremely prohibitive, perhaps an ex wife who throws everything but the kitchen sink at the ex husband and uses the kids as pawns in a very ugly game, perhaps a job that makes it difficult to get that equal time due to no time to be away from work to take care of the child, perhaps no one to keep the child while said father is at work……..
                        -
                        I’m glad you got equal time, Slan, but you need to consider that not every situation is exactly the same.

                        • pittypat says:

                          Except perhaps for point #2, I work with many women (as well as men) struggling with these issues.

                      • Eric-in-STL says:

                        I’m never getting divorced. Never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever. *shudder*

                  • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                    PS: Statistics about the dozen men who don’t care, or else it doesn’t happen. Thank youl

            • ay dios mio says:

              I hate the fact that many schools cut men’s soccer from their programs cause you have to have the same number of male and female teams. It’s not those guy’s fault there isn’t enough female interest in american football. Trivial compared to visitation rights but thought i’d add it.

              • Igloo McCoy says:

                That’s really stupid. How many schools has that happened in?

                • ay dios mio says:

                  It’s a national law, I just can’t remember the name of it. Not all colleges choose to cut soccer but somebody’s sport gets cut.

                  • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                    It’s not the number of sports it the money. All state funded schools need to hve equal funding for male and female athletics. So instead of spedning more money, they in turn cut out men programs. Those schools that have strong Football programs have to spend as much money (including scholarships) on a female athletic program. In theory a great idea, in practice horrid.

                  • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                    Title IX

                    • viking gal says:

                      Or, they could put the football team on a reasonable budget, rather than giving the football coaches everything they could possibly want… Lots of college have NOT had to cut their men’s soccer team.

                    • viking gal says:

                      Title IX was written to equalize academic opportunity, by the way. That if a school/college received federal money, they could not deny any female student an academic opportunity which they were offering to their male students. I’m a title IX baby. I experienced one year of single-sex PE class and ‘girls take home ec, boys take shop’. It was totally bogus. I wanted to learn to use tools, not how to file my nails (real class!). The next year, it was back the way I thought it should be. And in high school, they had to create girls’ teams–but we got shorted on things like athletic training…

                      • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                        VF: Not against Title IX in theory, actually all for it, equality is equality. It’s the way the schools are implementing the law that I have a problem with. Lots of smaller schools have had to cut some male sports (maybe not soccer) or raise tuitions (which makes them less competitive).

              • slan agat says:

                Statistics from a credible source or it didn’t happen.

                • I Like Peanut Butter says:
                  • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                    Vanderbilt Soccer, Nicholls University Men’s Cross Country and Track (though they have women’s), loss of male scholarships so men drop out of school.

                    • ay dios mio says:

                      The main thing I’ve seen lately is women’s rowing. In the last ten years there has supposedly been a drop in women’s high school rowing but a surge in college women’s.
                      A friend of mine went to UA and walked on to the rowing team with a scholarship that payed 3/4 of her schooling. She had never rowed in her life! School’s just give out money to programs there isn’t real interest in just to make it “fair”

                • ay dios mio says:

                  University of North Alabama doesn’t have a soccer team.

                  I know people who would love to play soccer for them.

                  There is a law that says equal money or cut programs.

                  It may not be statistics but it’s not like I”m making an outlandish claim.

    • Cowpie says:

      lol, in a country where women have no rights? you would be stoned for that outburst!

  12. Cowpie says:

    But still, that looks like a good old volleyball post, since it’s in a playground.

    Or it could just be the new test site.

  13. Random thought says:

    Jane, as my ‘name’ implies, it was merely a random thought. There was a time when most women were subservient in this country, too, and in some faiths they still are. But, over time and with female perservance, we have progressed to our current position of freedom. I guess what it really boils down to is that if women choose to remain prisoneers in their own home then so be it but, in the same vein, it is unfair for those same women to complain because they and their children are used as pawns by their menfolk in war that was instigated by those same menfolk. It quite boggles the mind to request our soldiers to politely ask first just who is the enemy and who is the ‘victim’ before they lob a rocket into a village that has attacked them. It has been proven that women and children can be lethal in war, too, and should expect to be treated as such in certain situations. The do-gooders around the world should expend their energies toward world peace rather than accusations of cruelty in a war when they do not know first-hand what the situation was.
    That’s all…… just random thoughts. Sorry to offend………

    • Jane St.Clair says:

      1. Use the reply function. It makes conversations easier to follow.
      2. If you didn’t want people to respond to your “random thought” you shouldn’t have posted it in a public forum. Or maybe your name should be random thought: differing opinions need not reply.
      3. Disagreement does not equal offense. Just because I replied to you with a disagreement doesn’t mean you offended me.
      4.

      We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

      We may not have been able to hold ourselves to this at our countries inception, but the fact of the matter is it gave our country a framework of ideas that made the women’s rights movement possible. To think that women in the middle east can just rise above their oppression in the manner of the women’s rights movements in the 60’s and 70’s is naive at best.

  14. Mr.Wholesome says:

    Racist B.S. . . .it is kind of funny though.

    • I Like Peanut Butter says:

      Kind of like a black President ridiculing a white cop for arresting someone who was being a jack a$$!!!!!

      • Touretts says:

        Schwing!!!!!!

      • Justacarolinian says:

        Anyone want a well done Braut?

      • lowly grunt says:

        And opening up teh police department to a lawsuit? He should have sucked it up, explained why he was offended by Gates’ jerkoffness, and left. It is not illegal to be an idiot, especially in your own home.

        • I Like Peanut Butter says:

          Actually he was arrested b/c he failed to step outside where the officer could fully verify that Gates did in fact live there. It is police procedure after getting initial verification that the person does live there, there is more investigating. Especially in terms of divorce cases, child custody, etc. Since Gates refused to step outside and decided to berate the cop he was arrested. They probably could have made the charges stick too if they truely wanted to. The fact that the cops dropped the case was showing that it was the best way to diffuse a situation. Gates did actually break the law by not listening to the orders by the police officer. Sorry bottom line, Gates was wrong to me, as an intellignet human being you would think he would be happy the police were looking out for his house, vice yelling at them. If we truely want a “color blind” society then both sides need to stop openning the wound when it not need to be openned. This was a case of Obama and Gates being racist, rather than the white man opressing the black man.

          • viking gal says:

            According to the Boston Globe (my local paper), the problem was that Gates DID step outside, following the officer, and refusing to chill down. However, it also sounds like the officer didn’t really do a good job of chilling himself down. All indications (radio transcripts are available via the Globe on line), the two gentlemen both did a pretty good job of getting into a pissing contest with each other. Now I have sympathy for the officer, in that he has a very dangerous job–never know when a situation can explode. And I have sympathy for Gates, given that he has undoubtedly experienced discrimination–and just came off of a VERY long trip (China-Boston, must be 24 hours door to door). But it seems that they both acted like barn yard roosters in this one.

            • I Like Peanut Butter says:

              I can see that. However Obama was a dumb a$$ laying in before he knew the facts. That I think we can all agree with.. :-)

              • Igor the Vigorous says:

                Or perhaps he merely said that he didn’t know all the facts as damage control, or so he could retain the ability to back out of the commitment, as politicians often do. Think about it, PB.

              • slan agat says:

                We can also agree that you laid in without knowing the facts. You got several significant facts wrong in your narrative.

                Gates didn’t refuse to go outside when requested.

                He gave his ID to the officer inside the house because the ID was in his bag, which he had put down in the kitchen.

                Crowley directed Gates to go outside to continue the conversation AFTER Gates gave Crowley proper identification.

                The basis for Gates’ arrest was not refusal to comply with the officer’s directions. According to Crowley’s own report, it was because Gates was yelling and attracting the neighbors’ attention OUTSIDE the house, after Crowley had told Gates to come outside.

                Crowley telling Gates to come outside set up the disorderly conduct arrest by creating a public scene rather than keeping it inside the house.

                Crowley may not have been motivated by race. But he DEFINITELY DID screw up.

                • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                  Slan: If you read my earlier post, I told you why it’s typical police procedure to ask the individual to come outside.

                  Corwley needed to verify Gates did actually live there. In some cases of divorce, child custody, etc the male can have ID saying it’s their address however they have no reason to be there.

                  Gates screwed up by not listening to the officer.

                  • slan agat says:

                    You are full of it, PB. I read your post but that’s NOT WHAT HAPPENED. Stick to the facts as they happened, not “typical procedure.”

                    Gates’ ID was inside the house, not on his person when Crowley asked for it, that’s why he went into the kitchen to get it. This is documented.

                    Crowley did not ask Gates to go outside until after he had ID in hand. This is documented.

                    Gates went outside with Crowley. This is documented.

                    The basis for the arrest was that Gates was shouting and creating a scene OUTSIDE THE HOUSE. How does that work if he refused to go out?

                    Reality. Take note of its existence.

                    • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                      Slan:
                      1. Gates at first did not want to give ID, documented.
                      2. After ID was shown Crowley wanted Gates to step outside to finish everything up. documented.
                      3. Gates refused to step outside initially and decided to yell at Crowley and say things about his momma, documented.
                      4. Finally Gates stepped outside and continued yelling, hence Corwley’s arrest, documented.
                      5. How am I full of it, have you studied Police Procedures? How many cops you friends with? Just checking.

            • ay dios mio says:

              I’m not going to pretend there aren’t still racists but I just don’t believe that was the case this time. I think a man acted like an idiot, and a cop didn’t feel like putting up with it. I think everyone involved was like “what, racism?” after the fact.

              • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                Real question is, if the question about this at the Health Care Press Conference, hadn’t been asked, would this have made national news?

                If Obama was truely a good leader he would have said, “This press conference is about Health Care, can we please stay on topic. The Gates issue is separate. Besides I don’t have all the facts.” Instead he came off looking like a divider vice a bringer together. I admit Bush was a polarizer, he knew he was, but Obama tries to tell the world he’s bringing us together, but he’s more polarizing than Bush.

                • Yes. The Gates situation is the perfect litmus test for leadership. If only Obama were more folksy, none of this would have happened. Oh, America, hold me.

                  /sarcasm.

                  • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                    SB: Actually it was a perfect litmus test, especially for someone who claims to be a uniter, not a divider. You have to admit that. Sarcasm was not needed btw.

                  • slan agat says:

                    *holds the blonde*

                    Kiss me you fool!

                    • I Like Peanut Butter says:

                      *takes Blonde from Slan* Don’t want her getting whatever diseases you have.

                    • SB (morosely): Oh, darling, darling, darling. I’m not much good to you, am I?
                      Slan: Don’t say that. Don’t ever say that, you hear me?
                      SB: It’s true, though. I’m a jinx. I’m a horrible jinx. If it hadn’t been for me, Scott Kincaid would have assigned you to the Buenos Aires office ages ago. I spoiled all that. (Goes over to window) I’m one of the little foxes that spoil the grapes. I feel like someone in a terribly sophisticated play. The funny part is, I’m not sophisticated. I’m not anything. I’m just me. (Turns) Oh, Slan, Slan, I’m scared. What’s happened to us? I can’t seem to find *us* anymore. I reach out and reach out and we’re just not there. I’m frightened. I’m a frightened child. (Looks out window) I hate this rain. Sometimes I see me dead in it.
                      Slan (quietly): My darling, isn’t that a line from “A Farewell to Arms”?)
                      SB (Turns, furious): Get out of here. Get out! Get out of here before I jump out of this window. Do you hear me?
                      Slan (grabbing her): Now you listen to me. You beautiful little moron. You adorable, childish, self-dramatizing –

                      • pittypat says:

                        … I know you like a book, ya little tramp. You’d sell your own mother for a piece of fudge. But you’re smart with it. Smart enough to know when to sell and when to sit tight. You’ve got a great big dollar sign there where most women have a heart.

  15. gmc360 says:

    I think I just shit my liberal wadded up knickers laughing out loud – that’s lol to you sophisticates.

    *thinks about the poor and politically oppressed peoples of the world*

  16. bitter troll says:

    sure someone will find a way to blame this on obama

    and the iran contra scandle of the 80’s

  17. I Like Peanut Butter says:

    *Opens inappropriate box* When did they replace the camels with lil girls as missle launchers? *Close inappropriate box*

  18. All the conversation makes me want a chili dog and some fries… Speaking of heartburn, I best take my Nexium.

  19. Susie-Cue says:

    How the hell did all the food-talk come up?

  20. Bitter's Chef says:

    test

  21. eddiepscetti says:

    I can tell you exactly what it says on the side:
    -
    I.Y.A.A.Y.A.S.
    -
    10 internets to the first person who can tell me what that stands for.

  22. JackSJ says:

    Reply to : Bitter’s Chef July 31, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    I may be wrong, but I think it was discovered and exploited first in Europe. Napoleon had a tea set made of it, it was so rare at the time.

    Worcestershire is a county division of England, and it is pronounced in educated English as “Woostersh’r”. The sauce is therefore “Woostersh’r Sauce”.
    “Worcester” (pronounced “Wooster”) is the significant town of Worcestershire, and gave it its name.
    Presumably in certain parts of the USA where English may be spoken in a way more like the UK English, this original pronounciation remains.

    I note that searching on Google, I get several spellings as “Worchester”. This is not found in the UK – maybe it is Americanised?

    I write this from the South Coast of England.

    • Igor the Vigorous says:

      Jack, use the reply button- if the nest is full, use the last post that you’re able to reply too, we all know if the nest is maxed then you’re talking to whoever’s above you.
      Also, Worcester is in Massachusetts, too. Seeing as we steal all your names, and stuff.. People spell it wrong all the time though, and write “Worchester” even though they don’t understand it’s pronounced “wooster” and not spelled phonetically.

      • Eric-in-STL says:

        I used to be one of those people who didn’t know how to pronounce Worcester. The St. Louis Blues used to use the Worcester IceCats for their farm team. Someone had to explain to me what the hell the Wooster IceCats meant. Kinda embarrassing. English continues to be the stupidest language ever.

        • Igor the Vigorous says:

          Eric.
          {http://www.comixed.com/2009/06/05/comics-comic-strip-yonkoma-legolas-unsee-plox/}
          You know that’s terrific.

      • JackSJ says:

        Thanks for the useful advice – it’s a bit confusing!
        Re: English as she is spoke – I don’t know if it was Winston Churchill who said America and Britain were two countries divided by a common language.

        • paws4thot says:

          I’d not swear to it being Churchill, but it’s certainly a well-known quotation by someone famous.

          • JackSJ says:

            I wasn’t totally clear in what I said.
            I am sure Winston Churchill did say it, but I don’t know if it was original with him.
            For example, he did talk about “An Iron Curtain….over Europe” (his Fulton speech), but I believe someone else had used the expression before.


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