It was? Do you have sources for this?

I actually have two oposing swastikas on my back as a part of a chinese Tho

Right now the front lines are only about 100 km from Islamabad. What do you think will happen once the Taliban get control of nukes, or at least nuclear material?

I predict a two-pronged attack – Iran against Isreal, and Pak against India, once these people have their ducks in a row.

And if you think the “threat” of Western retaliation will stay their hand, think again. Western responses to Islamic agression has been VERY limp-wristed. The US government won’t even identify that there IS an enemy we’re fighting (beyond nameless “insurgents”) and I saw an article about how government officials aren’t to use the word “terrorism” any more – we should say “man-caused disasters” instead.

And at home … well, many European countries have been bending over backwards to accomodate Muslim demands for creeping Sharia. It starts with BS arguments about the “right” of Muslimahs to wear portable tents, and to NOT show their faces in public, to demanding special blocks of time in PUBLIC pools specifically for Muslim women, to Sharia family courts, and the demands never stop …. and no country, as of yet, has had the harbles to say “STOP! ENOUGH! One set of rules for all!”

They see us WEAK. They see us as being AFRAID OF THEM. They know our governments will bow to their demands, coz if not, then Muslims will riot in the streets. Witness Lord Ahmed’s threat a few months ago to mobilize a huge mob of Muslim rioters should Geert Wilders be allowed to speak in the House of Lords. His threat WORKED, and Wilders was declared unwelcome in the UK and sent home to the Netherlands.

Such weak-willedness on our part to stand up to their demands gives them carte-blanche to do whatever the hell they like – and that includes attacking Isreal and India (and anywhere else they choose) with nukes. With impunity.

Muslims who push for Sharia in the West (and those who simply sit quietly by waiting and hoping for it to happen, quietly) are, in fact, a threat to these values. Sharia – and thus Islam – does not accept the idea of freedom of conscience (apostates are to be killed), separation of mosque and state, equality of men and women, the rights of gays to peacefully be themselves, freedom of speech, freedom of expression through art and music, the choice to have bacon in the morning, etc. It is the Islamists who tend to refer to Westerners as “Christian Crusaders” without even stopping to consider that an individual might be of any or no faith. It doesn’t matter to them – we follow (and hopefully stand up for) Western values, which go against Islamic values, so therefore we must be fought against.

It is the duty of every Muslim, according to the Qu’ran, to help break down “barriers” to the spread and implementation of Sharia, everywhere.

And I doubt Americans would be dumb enough to KNOWINGLY vote in a Muslim as POTUS. That would amount to cultural suicide.

And before you go on about Europe’s colonial era, the fact that murderous, theiving Arab/Muslims had blocked most routes – due to piracy of shipping, as well as land raids – triggered Europeans to try to find a way of avoiding them.

The Jews stole nothing. They had continued to live in what was once Isreal and Judeah even after the Romans caused their dispersal. Arabs stole that land from the Jews and Christians that had lived there peacefully through the fall of the Roman Empire and the rise of Byzantium.

You fail at history, and have swallowed leftist/Muslim propganda and history rewriting.

Jews lived in Israel/Palestine for multiple thousands of years. Arabs came in and “occupied” their lands, it seems that those who support the Arabs can only look back to the late 1800s, when Jews began to move back to what had been their ancestral home, and not centuries before it. The Arabs only lost “their” land because they were not willing to let the Jews live in peace. The Arabs first rioted and killed numerous Jews (as early as the late 1800s) and then when the Israeli Jews formed their own country, they declared war and attacked.

I am aware that there were “half-Jews” and Jews who had joined the Nazi military and other positions (many other people did also). You think maybe they did so to prevent themselves from being tossed into the Concentration Camps like the millions of other Jews (and others)? Why did the Arabs begin to look to joining the Nazis? Anti-semitism? An offer of self rule? Who knows. Unlike the few “half-Jews” and Jews who joined Arabs were not under the threat of being thrown into Concentration Camps. By the time many Arabs began to join the Nazi army in large numbers the war was coming to a close and most saw that the Nazis were on the losing side (who wants to join a military and government who is just about to lose a massive war?).

What you can see is that both Hamas and Hizballah use both the “Nazi salute” and “goose-stepping” march. Many of the Muslim leaders use Quranic quotes to justify their anti-semitism. Mein Kampf is rather popular in Arab countries. The Learned Elders of Zion is believed to be a factual book. Numerous shows that portray Jewish blood libels are on many different Arab TV stations. The nearly a million of Jews through out the Middle East (all of those who were living in those countries, with the exception of Iran) who were forcibly expelled from every Arab country shortly after 1948. And several other various cases of stupid anti-semitic behavior.

Did anti-semitism exist before the creation of Israel? Probably, a culture does not grasp and promote such an intense degree of hate in such a short time without some previous underlying hatred.

And yes, it is probably mostly conservatism, but when explanations for it are given, those come across as very Christian. Trying to analyse it objectively (I carry no torch either for or against any specific religion as far as I can tell, myself) much of the rhetorics are rather Christian. There’s a lot of awareness about religion in America, as far as I’ve seen, but still, when it boils down to it, Christianity (with a flair of Judaism) ends up being the norm.

I do not read your post as sarcastic at all, no worries. I find this topic interesting, and am trying to analyse my own opinions and memories as objectively as possible (and I realise it is always doomed to fail).

I do realise that I am not superbly coherent now, for which I apologise. I am trying to sort out my comments, but I feel I fail, so meh. ;p

To understand what I am talking about, consider (all of this is perceptions of mine, I do not state them as facts, but as how I see it all coming across as): Today, no one claiming to be an Atheist could become the POTUS. Today, no one proclaiming themselves a muslim, shintoist or hindu would reach POTUS. Of course these are not absolute facts, but try to think about someone running on a platform of not saying “God bless America” after every speech or instead saying “Allah bless America”, “may all the relevant gods keep an eye out for America” or whatever… I know you, population-wise, are not a Christian nation (more and less so to and fro), but somehow, you end up being one anyway.

I can’t right now give quotes to explain exactly how and why – but the general feel I got was that there was quite a bit of religion involved in the rhetorics.

Living in a far more secularised society – it sticks out like a sore thumb – and probably is much more noticeable than it would be if you live in the US.

And no, I am not trying to say “you stupid american. you no see nothing” – I am just trying to add some nuance to an unusually polarised discussion*.

*) Or slagging-off party, or whatever it is.

I know, it’s terrible.

Let’s us not kid ourselves. Just re-read that caption. What exactly is it perpetuating ?

I just think somethings must have limits.

You’re quoting what happened in a situation where Jews were taking lands which had belonged to a people who had lived there for over one thousands years. The Mufti supporting Hitler was the result of that situation.

( BTW, you should check out the history of half-Jews serving in Hitler’s army if Arab units bothered you )

Sorry, but in no way can you used these examples to argue that Arabs and Muslims are inherently anti-Semitic.

But the point is this – was there anything similar in the Arab world which equalled the European Holocaust to justify today’s accusations that Arabs, and Muslims, are anti-Semitic ?