Comments on: Yes, I called for Bill Clinton and Larry Craig to resign for their philandering.

By: Eric-in-STL

Eric-in-STL — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 04:51:31 +0000

“I’ll put you in the bitch transformer.”

By: Tyler

Tyler — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 04:23:27 +0000

Nope, and I haven’t commented on whether all/most conservatives live up to their own moral standards and expectations, merely debated that you saying “the left calls all of us hypocrites they shouldn’t generalize us like that” (That’s a shorter version of what I’m hearing)
Is hypocritical.

By: that's sumthin

that's sumthin — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 04:18:24 +0000

I say John O’Hurley (Peterman) or Barry Bostwick (Spin City Mayor).
Barry was my first guess though!

By: PortlandMark

PortlandMark — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:59:08 +0000

Ah, IC

By: Anniee451

Anniee451 — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:43:10 +0000

So does one man’s hypocrisy cast aspersions on the entire party or entire movement (conservatism) just because he couldn’t/didn’t live up to it? Or is he just one man? Because so far as I can see MOST conservatives not only believe but live up to their responsibilities, and that is the world I live in. Do you smear everyone because of him or don’t you?

By: Tyler

Tyler — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:38:05 +0000

That you’ve just generalized an entire party and political affiliation because they dislike hypocrites, yet you consider them to be them, so you are making one of yourself?
F*ck. that post made no sense, or at least I think it didn’t. Talk about it in the morning, when I can think clearlly.

By: Anniee451

Anniee451 — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:33:57 +0000

Yes I do realize that. When will you get what it means?

By: Tyler

Tyler — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:22:03 +0000

Apologies. “The left” should be in quotes.

By: Tyler

Tyler — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:21:26 +0000

Anniee… you realize you just said that the left are the biggest hypocrites of all “The left are the biggest hypocrites of all – pretending to have morals while presiding over the biggest scandals there are, just because they make no pretense of HAVING any morals.”
THEN proceeded to say that
“It makes one man guilty of it at a time, no more no less. If only the left could live up to such standards. But having no scruples makes that tough,I realize.”
You realize you just did the exact same thing you accuse the left of? Doesn’t exactly strike me the right way…. What’s that word again? Hippopotamusness?
Hypoallergenic? No….

By: Anniee451

Anniee451 — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:01:44 +0000

See, that’s that little (huge) collectivism versus individualism thing in action. I’m an individual with all the attendant rights and responsibilities thereof. So are Ensign and Conifer(WTFever) and they will pay the price. Oh well. At least they won’t have cadres of idiot hordes behind them screaming “THEIR BUSINESS AND THEIRS ALONE!” behind them, as Clinton, Frank, Kennedy, et. al. always do.

By: Anniee451

Anniee451 — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:59:03 +0000

One of the first times I’ve been accused of trying to make anything logical – thanks! Indeed, I am and it is. The left are the biggest hypocrites of all – pretending to have morals while presiding over the biggest scandals there are, just because they make no pretense of HAVING any morals.

Just because this man or any other man fails to live up to his own moral code (for which he will be resoundingly defeated) doesn’t mean the moral code should never be spoken of, nor does it make the party or the movement (conservatives or libertarians) guilty of hypocrisy. It makes one man guilty of it at a time, no more no less. If only the left could live up to such standards. But having no scruples makes that tough,I realize.

By: Tyler

Tyler — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:48:40 +0000

Hey! Don’t insult my motto like that, Ivan!
Hers is …. Something else!
She can’t have mine!
Ah, how I sound like my little brother all throughout his childhood.

By: Tyler

Tyler — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:46:49 +0000

Yeah. About Dims, is that a “dim light bulb” reference or just an accent imitation, cause I can’t tell whether or not I should be mildly indignant.

By: Tyler

Tyler — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:34:35 +0000

I kid you not, Jane. That’s what they call ‘em at Dunkin’ Donuts.

By: Tyler

Tyler — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:34:07 +0000

Boston Creams?

By: Eric-in-STL

Eric-in-STL — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 05:56:34 +0000

Well, for one, nobody calls them Dims, so nobody probably knows WTF you’re talking about.
Secondly, people don’t get away with things because they’re Democrats. They get away with things because of other stuff. And you can only go so far with “getting away with stuff.” No, Bill Clinton didn’t get ousted from the White House, but his legacy is forever tainted by the scandals of his days there.

By: Eric-in-STL

Eric-in-STL — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 05:52:49 +0000

Put that thing away, dude.

By: Eric-in-STL

Eric-in-STL — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 05:52:26 +0000

Those are absolutely teh awesom. And with my hypoglycemia, it only takes one to send me to sleepy land for a couple hours.

By: Eric-in-STL

Eric-in-STL — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 05:51:09 +0000

Ah, but Tyler, that is actually one of her kinda confusing points. She’s not calling it hypocrisy when liberals keep morality out of politics because we don’t have any to begin with. Her basic argument is little more than trying to make an insult logical.

By: Jane St.Clair

Jane St.Clair — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 05:41:13 +0000

Mmmmmmmm, like those donuts with the chocolate on top and the custard in the middle. Yum.

By: Jane St.Clair

Jane St.Clair — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 05:39:24 +0000

Yes, you were correct on the usage point.

By: Jane St.Clair

Jane St.Clair — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 05:37:57 +0000

Whoa. Serious troll is serious. Hey, I’ve lived in a lot of states and traveled through even more. There’s good points and bad points about all of them. I’ll be the first to laugh and make fun of the state I’m living in, I suggest you lighten up and do the same.

By: Eric-in-STL

Eric-in-STL — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 05:28:49 +0000

Oh see, I was thinking custard. Everything is better when it’s custard-filled.

By: Eric-in-STL

Eric-in-STL — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 05:22:25 +0000

I suppose.

By: Tyler

Tyler — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:57:09 +0000

“Have our leaders EVER followed this supposed moral higher ground you’re talking about? I’m sure there are plenty of politicians who are faithful to their wives who are still the slime of the earth. I don’t give a crap what politicians do in their private lives as long as they get the job done.”
“Ah, BUT I don’t like hypocrisy. And yeah, I’ll bitch up and down about guys like Ensign. And if Clinton went on tour to talk about how great monogamy is, I’d probably barf. And for the record, I was absolutely horrified by Clinton’s scandals in the late 90’s. It instigated a rather short stint as a Republican for me. It wasn’t until later that I became more jaded about the personal lives of politicians and learned to care more about what they did on the clock than what they did with their pants off.”

Two paragraphs of Eric’s, Anniee, now you need to re-read them- I’m too tired and hungry to make this argument with you. It’s the hypocrisy that bothers him, not the lack of morals, and it’s not that Democrats jump up and down screaming for blood because of what he did, it’s because of what he promoted then PROCEEDED to do. It’s not a double standard if we’re not judging based on the morals of a person- merely what they say should and shouldn’t be done and if they follow that.
I’m sorry if this post has any errors/faults in logic, I’ll be back on in the morning to rethink and reshape it.

By: Tyler

Tyler — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:44:47 +0000

Froo, if that is true, ….
urgh.
I’m just glad I’m not the one with the baby, I can’t even touch that point.

By: Tyler

Tyler — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:44:06 +0000

“Funny to me how the left is so pro-science when it comes to, attempting to say their is no God, but ignores science when it comes to abortion.”
Wouldn’t that be there? O.O

By: Tyler

Tyler — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:48:44 +0000

The man’s one redeeming feature.

By: viking gal

viking gal — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:43:44 +0000

SNL skit, with Justin Timberlake. Actually made me not totally hate Justin Timberlake any more…

By: charro

charro — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:16:37 +0000

Yes, you most certainly do. Nice job!

By: froofrou

froofrou — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:19:38 +0000

Another point of order: there are some abortions done exactly in that way. They’re rare, sure, but they do happen. it’s pretty gruesome.

By: Tessie

Tessie — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:05:02 +0000

Apparently the Department of Horrible Sweaters was so successful that it has now spun off a Department of Butt-Ugly Ties.

By: Tessie

Tessie — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:45:24 +0000

Will there be enough left over for baby doughnuts? I love those!

By: Tessie

Tessie — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:41:53 +0000

He also looks like J. Peterman and John Bunnell [sp?].

By: Tessie

Tessie — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:39:54 +0000

What is this “Dick-in-a-Box” that you speak of?

By: Tessie

Tessie — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:31:16 +0000

[sings]
It’s the Brak show
Starring me — I’m Brak!

By: Anniee451

Anniee451 — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:21:30 +0000

That canard about people who believe there shouldn’t be an abortion even in the case of, say, an ectopic pregnancy? It’s a straw man. There’s almost no one in the pro-life movement who believes that, and the few who may are nutcases and on the fringes. Being pro-life is not an extremist position. I don’t have a position one way or the other on it because I’m ambivalent – my moral beliefs are counter to my political beliefs so I refrain from arguing about it much. But to call it immoral to be pro-life is a HUGE stretch and a hell of a reversal – especially in light of the context of this conversation and what it’s about? I mean hello – we’re talking about slimeballs who get away with or don’t get away with sex scandals and the hypocritical double standard held by the left, who says it’s their private business in one case and in another jumps up and down screaming for the guy’s head. I said it stems from having no moral compass to begin with, thus avoiding the charge of “hypocrisy” as though hypocrisy were the only thing that matters, and as though one man’s hypocrisy makes the entire party or entire movement hypocrites (hint: it doesn’t.) Now we’re down to nitpicking over shades of gray when in reality we were supposed to be addressing basic sets of right and wrong that pretty much everyone should agree on – good versus evil. Whether pro-life is a dark shade of gray or the purest of white, it is clearly not a great evil (unless you are tearing down the straw man of “even if the mother’s life is in danger” which is not an issue in reality) so what is it doing here?

By: viking gal

viking gal — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:59:04 +0000

Reversing Roe v. Wade would result in several state laws making abortion illegal, immediately.
I don’t consider it immoral to be pro-life. I consider it immoral to impose my religious beliefs on someone else’s rights via law. Some believe that a woman should not be allowed to have an abortion even if it is known that the pregnancy will kill her. I consider it the woman’s right to make that decision for herself.
Prayer in school is not immoral. Prayer imposed by the school upon a student is immoral. Prayer prevented by the school is also immoral Again, that is imposing someone else’s relgion, or lack of. The school system, administrators and teachers should not impose or prevent religious beliefs on a student, unless it is a private religious school.
Who is oppressing gays? If you don’t know, then you must live in one of the more hospitable communities. Me? I remember what happened in middle school and high school. Not to mention comments overheard that were made by persons of authority while being an adult. And I’m hetero.
—
I must be bored. Why am I bothering?

By: Deep Thought

Deep Thought — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:39:57 +0000

*whips out Mr. Happy*

Mmmmhey, babeh…

By: Anniee451

Anniee451 — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:35:27 +0000

I’m stymied when I get the argument “They didn’t get away with it because they were Dims” because it’s so astoundingly dumb and willfully blind – I never know what to say to that one; just sputter and slam my head into the desk. How can people just not see what’s right in front of their faces this way?

By the way, that’s sexually harassed, molested or raped, not just harassed. When Willey (as she was having her tires slashed by Hell-to-Pay Hillary’s rent-a-mob and her children’s lives were being threatened) explained that his harassment consisted of pulling out his weiner and thinking she would be happy about it, I lost any last shred of affinity I had for the man. I mean, I hate guys who think that sh*t is going to turn a woman on; I really, really do. What a sleazeball.

By: Deep Thought

Deep Thought — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:29:31 +0000

Filled them with what?

By: Dhoti

Dhoti — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:27:03 +0000

Women he harassed.

By: Dhoti

Dhoti — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:26:47 +0000

*ba dum bum*

By: Anniee451

Anniee451 — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:24:59 +0000

You do know that reversing Roe v Wade doesn’t make abortion illegal, right? And to at least half the country, abortion is the murder of an innocent baby, which is in and of itself (to them) a very great evil indeed? Your morals are such that it is IMMORAL to be pro-life, and frankly that’s kind of bizarre – but I don’t expect you to understand why, I guess. And prayer in school – well, that certainly would be Armageddon, wouldn’t it? It’s so immoral. Oh, wait, Muslim students are allowed to pray in school and are given special times and places to do it in…that’s certainly immoral.

Who’s oppressing gays then? That was the only clear moral I could get out of that morass except I don’t know of anyone who’s doing it. Sure the WBC Phelps crew would if they could, but everyone knows they’re crackpots.

By: Eric-in-STL

Eric-in-STL — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:27:01 +0000

No, Camelot is a silly place. The left and right are both silly sometimes. Life is silly.
And as long as there are those who want bring back school prayer, reverse Roe v. Wade, and oppress gays, then I disagree with your statement about what morality should be legislated. I don’t think the right has any better morals than the left.

By: dissimilitude

dissimilitude — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:19:08 +0000

So your argument was “killing humans is immoral” rather than just the morality of killing in general (non-human-specific)?

By: dissimilitude

dissimilitude — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:17:51 +0000

I think “yikes” point was to the “killing is immoral” argument rather than the gun-specific application.

By: Eric-in-STL

Eric-in-STL — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:16:32 +0000

I don’t eat humans, tyvm.

By: PortlandMark

PortlandMark — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:14:10 +0000

Most of the meat we eat is not killed using a firearm. If you get most of your meat from hunting, then you may, but otherwise, not so much.

mmMMMmm…. meat….

By: dissimilitude

dissimilitude — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:41:57 +0000

I like Nevada, what I’ve seen of it. Spent a week in Reno for a conference and flew into Las Vegas when I was doing some work out near Death Valley. I like the desert-ness of it; but then I’m kinda weird.