Comments on: POUTING

By: wicket

wicket — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:47:52 +0000

You try and criticize Obama for saying something bad about mentally challenged people, and then you continue on and call him a ‘retard’. Seems you don’t actually respect mentally challenged people, you just stand on a soap box and pretend to. As long as it proves your point i guess. Kind of makes you look silly and irrelevant.

By: Eric-in-STL

Eric-in-STL — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 23:52:53 +0000

Responding two weeks later probably isn’t the best idea either, btw.

By: Tyler

Tyler — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 23:14:04 +0000

Yes, because going away for the weekend according to your rules? I’m sorry I take a break every now and then. By the way, if I was a troll I would’ve instantly been baited the first time I saw this. The fact that you have nothing to contribute to the conversation and the only thing you’re proving is that you can read time stamps kind of makes you look like the troll in this situation.

By: proudamerican

proudamerican — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:51:34 +0000

If you can’t take the heat, get out of office…

By: fattkatt

fattkatt — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:02:43 +0000

First pouting, then abandoning office. What a sore loser! GO AWAY…

By: juju

juju — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:34:34 +0000

She should NOT pout. It makes the bottom half of her face looks like she’s 80.

By: pittypat

pittypat — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:33:08 +0000

I know I won’t speak to you knowing what I know about what you know nothing about that is, nothing. Know what I mean?

By: AC

AC — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:30:25 +0000

Absolutely, no-one forms a proper opinion until they are 21 and 3/4. Didn’t you know that?

By: Tyler

Tyler — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:21:32 +0000

AC, what’s this blasphemy? Are you suggesting that, as teenagers, we can be RIGHT about something? But… but… THAT’S IMPOSSIBLE!

By: AC

AC — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:19:21 +0000

Thank you for taking time out of your busy day to patronise me. After all, my age automatically makes me wrong. I should bow to the wisdom of my pharisees -sorry- elders…

By: Anniee451

Anniee451 — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:49:56 +0000

Thanks, AC – that was shortly before I found out you’re just a kid and don’t know any better. I wouldn’t say it now, knowing.

By: Tessie

Tessie — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:46:35 +0000

OK, but remember to be sure to use proper sterilization procedures. Those tweezers must be heated until they’re glowing hot.
*muhahaha*

By: AC

AC — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 07:21:39 +0000

@Anniee, Here’s the actual quote that I’ve twisted into a pretzel:

Seth is an unbeliever. You pretended to speak as a believer. But you lied. I expect little more from those who claim to be Christians but use it to further a socialist agenda – par for the course. Goodbye.

“Jesus has been replaced,” second last thread.

By: Anniee451

Anniee451 — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:50:20 +0000

Wouldn’t matter much, Eddie – my opinion could neither be validated or falsified by anything he will/would post. Unlike my Mensa claim, which I’ve already offered verification for should we have any other members here. Though I do think paying the $400 fee IS a sign of stupidity so there; there’s one thing I’m stupid about.

Anyway, I’m unsubscribing to this one, but I’m glad you recognized why some of our drive-by veteran’s comments were highly suspicious and deserving of some skepticism.

By: eddiepscetti

eddiepscetti — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:41:03 +0000

I just wish Chris would come back and answer some of these burning questions.

By: Anniee451

Anniee451 — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:34:08 +0000

You very clearly did NOT comprehend what I said, Jane, nor read it fully if you did, as proven by your retort. Reread. Understand.

By: Jane St.Clair

Jane St.Clair — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:28:06 +0000

The above was directed at Anniee.

By: Jane St.Clair

Jane St.Clair — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:27:35 +0000

Still using insults as a last resort? Shall I take the fact that you don’t believe I could “comprehend” what I “read” that you think I’m stupid or will you call me a liar later when I say that’s exactly what you did.

By: Jane St.Clair

Jane St.Clair — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:25:28 +0000

Well, reading through his post I doubt that’s what he meant or what was going through his mind at the time either. I took it that his time as a soldier has lent a different viewpoint to currant issues. He is saying that he believes our government’s policy on torture is putting servicemen at risk. This is the statement we can choose to agree or disagree with. The veteran qualifier was to say that since he DOES agree with that statement his time served in the military makes him even more outraged by it.

By: Anniee451

Anniee451 — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:22:48 +0000

Jane – reread. Comprehend.

Eddie – yes. It’s not just that – we’ve SEEN (at least I certainly have) the beheading videos. They ought to be mandatory watching for everyone over the age of 16 to understand what we were up against. Then there was the stoning video of the Kurdish girl who fell in love with a Sunni – I forced myself to watch all of the above videos as they came out, despite how horrific they were and how they haunt my nightmares to this day. Because those were innocent civilians. How much more someone captured who is an enemy soldier by the likes of Jihadis is going to get treated with mercy? I mean Seriously? Did you SEE those beheadings? They were the most brutal, atrocious things I’ve seen in my life outside of the stoning, which was …ugh. I’m nauseated now. No, it makes no sense for someone who has met the enemy and fought the enemy to ever say something like that, which is why they don’t. But because thinking of those videos (PROUDLY put out by Zarqawi and company – WITHOUT regard to what was going on here – do you really think monsters like that gave a damn what we were doing to people here or if they had any IDEA of it? Get serious.) has made me physically ill (because I actually watched them at the time) how about we have a little humorous break. Link to a humor video about the subject. Featuring Steven’s Beheading. Sort of like Stevie’s spanking.

By: eddiepscetti

eddiepscetti — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:10:40 +0000

I can say that when you’re on the receiving end of someone that truly wants to see you dead, the last thing going through your mind is, “Gee, if I get captured are they going to be pissed because we tortured their comrades?” So yes, the more I think about, the less sense it makes.

By: Jane St.Clair

Jane St.Clair — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:10:31 +0000

Also, why do you expect us to believe you’re all these things you say you are (member of MENSA, and economist, etc. etc.) but you think this guy should somehow have to “prove” his veteran status. You haven’t “proven” that you are who you say you are, so why do you hold other to a different standard?

By: Jane St.Clair

Jane St.Clair — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:08:14 +0000

The point that you are not getting, Anniee, is that just because you disagree with what he said does not mean he’s not a veteran.

By: Anniee451

Anniee451 — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:05:27 +0000

Thank you, Eddy, for acknowledging that much. Naturally none of us are proving anything one way or the other (considering the non-skeptical reaction to his claim of BEING a vet – he still can’t prove it) but there is most definitely reason to be skeptical and suspicious. And as I say, it was that last bit that set off the radar of every veteran I’ve run that by so far – 50 and counting and even the left-leaning don’t buy it. But I’m about done with that; it’s pointless and I can’t PROVE my OPINION and my BELIEF. I can only explain why I hold it. And I have every right to say that I hold it, no matter what anyone thinks. See, the soldiers have been fighting to safeguard my right to do so, God bless them. My own son included, God bless him. We don’t know where he’ll be stationed yet of course.

By: eddiepscetti

eddiepscetti — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:00:53 +0000

Anniee, you have a point. I must have been speed reading or something. After rereading it again (and in context), you could be right. Soldiers aren’t at risk because of torture, they’re at risk because it’s a war. It does seem an odd thing to say, and while I’m still not ready to say he/she isn’t a vet, it does make me wonder.

By: Anniee451

Anniee451 — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:56:51 +0000

Tyler, AC, I was called a liar because I belong to MENSA and because I’m an economist. In fact, I was called so vociferously and repeatedly, which has only died down very recently. So before you go telling me how no one will tolerate my suspicion of an alleged veteran who says things that most veterans regard with deep suspicion, just remember that, will you? Even though I DID back up my claim by saying where I would be and when (should we have any other members here – hehe, if we do) so why don’t you ask Mr. Veteran when and where he served (though – of course that won’t prove anything whereas if we have any other members here they will know after October, if they attend the gathering, that I am actually on the level.)

By: viking gal

viking gal — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:55:22 +0000

ARGH! Nesting fail, maximum impact.

By: viking gal

viking gal — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:54:17 +0000

One of the best things a friend and I did for each other–I listened to her grandfather’s engineering stories, and she listened to my father’s engineering stories. They SO appreciated a new audience, and we knew enough to appreciate the new stories!

And as for broken arms, Eddie’s right, Tyler. You’d be dead before you realized your arm was taken off! –and then your grave location would be classified. Intel, after all!

By: Anniee451

Anniee451 — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:52:56 +0000

Jane – first of all, I KNOW some veterans are leftists; I’ve already said that. And I’ve acknowledged that some will think that waterboarding is torture. It was the last bit, pretending our boys would be safe when caught if we didn’t employ those methods, that set off the BS radar bigtime. No, I don’t believe we are in the presence of any veteran; at least not a veteran of any foreign war.

AC – “I mentioned earlier that you once said I wasn’t a Christian since I am left-wing.”

No I didn’t. I may have said something that could be twisted into that, but if you can now provide the ACTUAL quote I’ll parse it for you since you misrepresent it now.

By: eddiepscetti

eddiepscetti — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:49:03 +0000

@Tyler:

If he breaks my arm, will my arm be stamped “CLASSIFIED‽‽”

He’s ex-Army, he wouldn’t break your arm. He would probably rip it off and beat you to death with it.

By: eddiepscetti

eddiepscetti — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:46:35 +0000

@Jane: For what it’s worth, you’re just to young to appreciate his ‘lame’ stories. Me, on the other hand, would probably appreciate them.
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Pass along a HFD from me as well!

By: eddiepscetti

eddiepscetti — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:44:50 +0000

@Tyler: I don’t know if it’s a lost cause or not, she certainly is entitled to her opinion. But I would think you need more to qualify saying someone isn’t something based on one comment. Besides, the real gist of the post wasn’t whether he/she was a vet or not.

By: viking gal

viking gal — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:38:05 +0000

By: Jane St.Clair

Jane St.Clair — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:36:56 +0000

I will Viking Gal! And since it’s Father’s Day I won’t tell him his stories are lame.

By: viking gal

viking gal — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:31:03 +0000

@Jane St. Clair. Your telling about your father’s stories made me laugh in memory, and sniffle a bit. Give him a hug for me, ok?

By: Tyler

Tyler — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:28:28 +0000

[Hey Eddie, is it just me or is Anniee fighting a lost cause here? I mean, arguing that someone who says they're a vet isn't a vet? I don't think ANYONE around here will stand for that.]

By: eddiepscetti

eddiepscetti — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:25:41 +0000

I didn’t think Charlie swung as far left as he comes across. I would say, at least from my experience, that most vets would probably be more middle of the road. I know a few batsh*t crazy vets that are far right, but then if you knew what they indured in ‘Nam, you would understand.

By: Tyler

Tyler — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:24:21 +0000

Jane, that’s awesome. If he breaks my arm, will my arm be stamped “CLASSIFIED‽‽”

By: Jane St.Clair

Jane St.Clair — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:17:21 +0000

Charlie sees himself as middle of the road. He skews left here because I think he likes to piss off trolls by being a bit trollish. He’s also intel. What he knows about interrogation he probably couldn’t share because it’s probably classified. I only get to hear his lame stories a million times. What I suspect are really great stories he starts and then says, “I can’t tell you the rest it’s classified.” Jerk.

By: eddiepscetti

eddiepscetti — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:04:56 +0000

And if memory serves, even CF agreed that waterboarding was torture. Personally, I have no opinion one way or the other as to whether Chris McCoy is or isn’t a vet, I can’t make that judgement call on one comment. Personally, I am in favor of interrogating prisoners, but not when it includes torture.
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@Anniee, spending times with 30 vets doesn’t really qualify you to make a call as to whether or not someone is truly a vet. If you want to expand your horizons a bit more, hang out at your local VFW Post or even the nearest Veteran’s Hospital.
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Now while I didn’t personally vote for Obama, and have pretty much voted a straight Republican ticket for the last 35+ years, I’m more interested in his comments about why suddenly torture caused him to bail when there have been so many other problems with the GOP.

By: Tyler

Tyler — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:03:12 +0000

Assumed and because, sorry*

By: Tyler

Tyler — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:02:23 +0000

Anniee, it’s bullsh*t that you’re even making this argument. Just because he doesn’t think the way all the other soldiers you’ve met do, does that mean he was never in combat, or in the army?
Wow. What an asinine argument for you to make. If you truly think that because someone doesn’t fit the stereotype you yourself inferenced about soldiers because you know some, that that means anyone who disagrees with your stereotype couldn’t have served?
That’s a highly narcissistic philosophy. “I’m right becaus I assumd, and you’re wrong, because you don’t fit into the group I stereotyped, you must be lying.”

By: Jane St.Clair

Jane St.Clair — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:32:26 +0000

My brother just got back from Iraq in November. He was there for a year. Most regulars know that I’m not making this up on the fly because I’ve talked about his service in the past. He voted for Obama. He definitely thinks waterboarding is torture. The military is so large. To think that they all hold the same viewpoints is fairly ludicrous.

By: AC

AC — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:20:25 +0000

And it seems that the “leftist talking points” were what made you so suspicious. In your experience, is there no such thing as a leftist veteran? I mentioned earlier that you once said I wasn’t a Christian since I am left-wing. Is this the same school of thought?

By: AC

AC — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:15:30 +0000

Ok, but I’m still not convinced that because your thirty veterans think one way that it is impossible for one to think another way. We can only speculate and it’s rather unfair of you to openly accuse someone based on that speculation.
Also, you mentioned mindset of the jihadis have you spent time around them too?

By: Anniee451

Anniee451 — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:51:17 +0000

One comment said “Um, hello, they (certain other countries) torture as a matter of course” and another asked how many head chopping jihad porn sites are there now. There’s no way this guy fought in the ME, I guarantee that much, because those who have harbor no illusions about the safety of our captured men, regardless of the actions of the US. The whole idea is preposterous when you know the mindset of the jihadis. Really preposterous.

Added to the fact that his whole post was just a lot of leftist talking points with the self-accrediting “former Repub” and “veteran too!” to lend it credence; I ain’t buying a word of it. That ain’t the real McCoy.

By: Anniee451

Anniee451 — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:47:39 +0000

Honey, the consensus among about 30 vets so far is “leftist troll sh*t” but I’ll have to get a bigger sample. While it is possible for a US veteran to consider waterboarding torture (though not common by any means) it is pretty much unheard of for anyone who has fought in a foreign country to believe our men are safe when captured IF only we treat the captured well. That was the part that really gave it away. Vets who’ve been there know better. And like I said, don’t take my word for it – start spending time with actual combat soldiers, would you? I have.

By: AC

AC — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:41:17 +0000

The “babbling” consisted of me saying that neither of you could prove it either way so calling anyone else a liar ought to be avoided as it is useless.
And you have experience with veterans? Fair enough, but just saying “trust me, I know” isn’t really adding anything to the discussion. Why not share what you have noticed rather than just having us terminate the thread by taking your word for it?

By: Anniee451

Anniee451 — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:33:05 +0000

What are you babbling about proof? This is the internet. He can claim he’s the king of Jabip and all one can say is “I really don’t believe you” and “none of the kings in my common acquaintance would ever say ‘yo, b*tch, get down to it’ ” but none of it qualifies as proof for or against. It is my studied opinion from knowing many veterans (who do differ politically from one another) that he’s full of sh*t about being one, and in particular the last line convinced me. Thatisall. Though you might just as uselessly ask him for proof that he IS one. It’s just as dumb.

By: AC

AC — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:25:06 +0000

Ok, so what’s your experience of Veterans’ views? That they never differ politically? Simply saying “trust me, I know” doesn’t really cut it. You need to add more before it qualifies as proof…