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…and this graph shows the growing number of Californians who regret ever voting for me.

(Arnold Schwarzenegger)

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  1. IvanTheMildlyAnnoying says:

    You’d think Cali would have learned their lesson with Reagan.

    • mothergoose says:

      Who is the best Actor-turned Governor?!! My vote is for Jesse Ventura…

      • Jesse Ventura freaks me out.

        • Jane St.Clair says:

          Can’t argue with you there.

        • Captain Wow says:

          I met him on a plane when I was in eight grade and he is more scary than Pennywise the Clown will ever be to me. But still, a very nice guy to chat with once you get past being piss-in-your-pants terrified of him.

          • mothergoose says:

            My brother was a WWF fan back in the day… he has a picture of the two of them together… Jesse has the big feather boa and triangle shades on… my brother said he was a big teddy bear. He apparently loves kids and does all kinds of children’s charity events…

            • Captain Wow says:

              All my friends were like, don’t talk to that guy. I was like, Dude, you seriously don’t know who this is? It’s the Body!! He was really nice though, even talked to a thirteen year old girl like I was an adult.

              • mothergoose says:

                He got a bad rap from the whole WWF-thing. He’s actually an intelligent, articulate man (I don’t agree with all his political views), but have always found him engaging. Plus, he was a Navy SEAL and could kill you thirty different ways with a paperclip…

                Wouldn’t it have been great to see him AND Arnold as governors at the same time? They could’ve had a Gubernatorial-steel cage-barbarian strap no-holds-barred death match. Think about how the pay-per-view money could have helped the economy!!!

                • mothergoose says:

                  Link for those who don’t remember him as Jesse “The Body” Ventura…

                  • viking gal says:

                    Is that a necklace, or is it a beaded beard?

                    • mothergoose says:

                      I’m betting necklace; but with Jesse, one never knows…{link)

                      • froofrou says:

                        I love that he was always an “old school” wrestler. The ones who just wear the tights and wrestling shoes (or the spankys…..thank you, Randy Orton and Edge! *drools*) are just not trying. I want Rick Flair with his feathers and sequense (sp?)! I want Jesse The Body with his triangle sunglasses! I want Hulk Hogan with his feather boas!!! Give me sparkle, dammit! And I don’t mean fake vampire sparkle either!!

                        • mothergoose says:

                          I must admit my schoolgirl crush (and guilty pleasure) for Shawn Michaels… yummy… {link}
                          *blushes*

                        • brak says:

                          Best tag team ever…The Road Warriors. Always brutal, always funny.

                        • mothergoose says:

                          Sorry, Brak…. gotta go with DX (Michaels and HHH)…they were my oldest son’s favorite.

                        • froofrou says:

                          DX is Teh Awsum as far as tag teams go. I can’t stand Shawn Michaels for some reason……he irritates me with his goodness, hehe. I do appreciate that he’s got a set of morals and sticks with them, though. That’s why he quit DX the second time, and why he left the WWE for about a year. He couldn’t reconcile his beliefs with his job. I believe that he and Vince came to an understanding about what he would and wouldn’t do as far as out of ring promos and skits, so he came back.
                          -
                          Now, seeing Randy Orton’s ass after he was pantsed by Michaels was the highlight of my year last year! (it was in a dark house show in my town). I’m waiting to see Edge’s shiny white rear now to make my collection complete :-)

                        • eddiepscetti says:

                          I still like Mick Foley. I mean that guy is your atypical muscle-head and sure wasn’t afraid to take some abuse. On top of that, the guy was just so butt ugly how could you NOT like him?

                        • brak says:

                          It’s not NICE to mess with the Legion of Doom! ;-) Anyone remember the Pit Bulls from ECW days? ECW may have been the best promotion ever. I mean….what’s better than putting some poor bastard through three tables? That’s right….set the tables on FIRE. Lordy those guys made me laugh.

                        • PortlandMark says:

                          Rowdy Roddy Piper was in my restaurant last year with his daughter after her graduation. He was such a down home, Levis and flannel shirt kind of guy I didn’t even realize I was talking to a “celebrity” until my co-workers started crowding around after he left.

                          “What’s he like?”

                          “What did you talk about?”

                          “Did you get his autograph?”

                          I was all, “Nice enough”, “I asked him if he enjoyed his meal”, and “No, of course not… why, is he someone famous?!?”

                • Captain Wow says:

                  I’d pay. :-D

    • Frank says:

      I’m not sure if it would have mattered. With propositions, people can vote for new state programs and leave someone else to scramble with how to pay for them. That’s part of why we have representative democracies, because true democracies would mean that idiots will vote for anything that gets them something, but against the taxes required to pay for them.

      • dropping in says:

        Recent Cali transplant agrees completely- they want the cake and they want to eat it too- they are nuts– on both sides.

        • Meh says:

          What was it john hodgman said? “Remember, this was a placed settled by actors, and before that by a bunch of farm hands looking for shiny rocks in water”

    • eddiepscetti says:

      I lived in California back when Reagan was governor and say what you will, the state was incredibly prosperous. Then some years down the track with Jerry Moonbeam Brown it all went to sh*t. What really killed the state was back in the 80’s when they started taxing the hell out of Big Business and they all moved out. Aerospace in So Cal came to a grinding halt.
      -
      The best one though was when the legislature enacted a ’snack tax’. The taxpayers said, “I don’t think so!” and revolted. That particular law lasted 6 months before it was repealed.

    • rws says:

      You are skum. Got do nasty things to yourself. Sit on sharp pointy things.

  2. Sheesh says:

    Or Obama

  3. Bix Nood says:

    Well the recall was either him, or Cruz Bustamante. Quite a few people figured Bustamante would open up the California boarder.

    Maybe Tom McClintock wasn’t such a bad choice.

  4. HarbingerOfLOLz says:

    A thousand or so people throwing their hats into the ring in that election, and they ended up with HIM???

  5. keiko says:

    Well, I didn’t vote for him. I didn’t vote for prop 8 either. My vote makes a difference? Hmmm… I’d get out of this state if it weren’t so damn beautiful in parts.

    • dropping in says:

      I think we should require all propositions to be PAY_GO—if you add somethign that will cost money, you have to explicitly say what taxes will be used to pay for it. If you want to reduce a tax, you have to say explicitly what service will be removed to accommodate- would reduce the number of props that pass…but then we could PAY for them when they did!

    • rumblestrip says:

      Like Cali is the only place that has beautiful areas? Go somewhere else, and you will find the beauty WITHOUT the smog and crazy drivers

  6. Crystal Kyuuketsuki says:

    I can read what that graph actually says.

    Caption Fail.

    • Crystal Kyuuketsuki says:

      Also, 18, but I haven’t vote for anything yet.

      I would have voted against Prop 8 though… such a sad turn of events…

      • DA says:

        Because at 18 you only look at one overly emotional point of view without taking into account the religious persecution that was demonstrated in Massachusetts when they allowed gay marriage. NH got it right be exempting religions and religious organizations from being forced to do things against their moral code. The Constitution does after all say no law shall be made against religion and no state religion shall be established (not separation of church and state, btw).

        • Cite for your claim that Massachusetts religious organizations are being forced to marry gays?

          • DA says:

            I believe I said religious persecution was demonstrated in Massachusetts, not “Massachusetts religious organizations are being forced to marry gays.”

            But here are a few examples from Jersey, Iowa, and Mass. for you.

            In 2007, two women filed a complaint in New Jersey because they were denied use of a pavilion for their civil union ceremony. The pavilion was owned by a Methodist ministry. It had been rented out for marriages, but the ministry refused to rent it for civil unions because it is a religious structure, and civil unions are not recognized in the United Methodist Church Book of Discipline.

            Due to the ministry’s refusal to rent it for the lesbian ceremony, New Jersey revoked its tax-free status.

            The Des Moines Human Rights Commission found the local Young Men’s Christian Association in violation of public accommodation laws because it refused to extend “family membership” privileges to a lesbian couple that had entered a civil union in Vermont.

            Accordingly, the city forced the YMCA to recognize gay and lesbian unions as “families” for membership purposes, or lose over $100,000 in government support.

            Perhaps the most notorious example of a state forcing its view on a church agency comes from Massachusetts, where Boston Catholic Charities ran an adoption agency that had been placing children with families for over 100 years.

            In 2006, Archbishop Sean P. O’Malley announced that the agency would abandon its founding mission rather than submit to a state law requiring it to place children with homosexual couples. (A Vatican document from 2003 described gay adoptions as ”gravely immoral.”)

            • It seems ironic that you would view these situations as religious persecution, but the denial of equal rights to gay Americans as somehow okay.

              • froofrou says:

                People are denied things all the time by private religious and non-religious organizations. It’s the private part of the name that’s the important part. Just like excluding women from the Elk’s Lodge or the Masons. We don’t persecute them for that.

                • Eric-in-STL says:

                  I’ll give you that. When my brother got married, he had to join his fiancee’s church or the church wouldn’t marry them. If it’s okay for a church to not allow people who don’t share their faith to get married there, then wouldn’t it be okay to not allow gays get married there since homosexuality violates their beliefs? I’m not saying I agree with it, in fact I think the entire religion needs to look real hard at its views on homosexuality. In the meantime, though, if they are allowed the power to decide who can and cannot be in their church, then homosexuality would unfortunately be part of that.

                  Did that make any sense?

                • I actually agree that religious organizations shouldn’t be forced to accept everyone. I mean, then how would we know who Jesus loves and doesn’t love? Anyway, my point was that the same people who would deny gay Americans the right to marry (whether it be at the city hall or not) are mortified at the idea of their religious rights being infringed upon. Oh, the irony.

                  • froofrou says:

                    It is irony, but that sword cuts both ways. The churches are mortified that they would be infringed, as is the gay community mortified that they are being infringed. It’s just as wrong to force either side to do something that they don’t want to do.

            • viking gal says:

              Somehow, I don’t see the situation with Catholic Charities in Massachusetts as being religious persecution. The state of Massachusetts asked the Boston Archdiocese to please obey state law, which stipulates that adoption agencies can not discriminate against gay or lesbians who wish to adopt. There is a shortage of adoptive parents for these children who are coming from foster care, by the way. And naturally, adoption agencies can deny persons unfit to adopt. Boston Catholic Charities chose to discontinue their work with adoption, rather than obey state law. This is certainly not persecution, in any way. In fact, many people feel it is unfortunate that the archdiocese chose to abandon their work, rather than to work with potential parents who are homosexual. But Boston Catholic Charities has not been penalized for their decision in any way.

  7. Yarcofin says:

    Typical politician putting the solution before the problem.

  8. bodo says:

    *sigh* Writing as a native Californian over the age of forty (that puts me in a minority, for what it’s worth – the other four people are fixing to move somewhere else and raise the cost of real estate there) I objected to the recall for a couple of reasons. One, while the recalled governor was pretty much useless, the real problem was (and still is) the legislature. Two, they let people vote for the recall who didn’t bother (or weren’t eligible) to vote in the previous gubernatorial election.
    .
    If you’re too frickin’ lazy to vote you don’t get a do-over. Deal. And don’t give me crap about “oh, it wasn’t convenient” or “I had to work” or any of that – absentee voting is not that big an effort, so just shut up already.
    .
    For the record, I’m registered as a non-partisan and consider myself a liberal-leaning moderate – if I remember correctly I voted for Gallagher at that time (although I voted against the recall itself for the above noted reasons). It did scare the legislature into actually doing something other than partisan whining and pork for a while, to be honest, but they’re back to normal now.
    .
    Oh, and I think Mr. Schwarzenegger has done at least as good a job as anyone could have under the circumstances.

    • X says:

      He did a great job initially. He called in experts to go over the budget. He became the state’s PR man to being in business and employers.

      Then, I dunno, he got taken over by a brain slug or something. He tried to over do it with the first special election, and when that failed it’s like he has been punishing the voters ever since.

      >>>”It did scare the legislature into actually doing something other than partisan whining and pork for a while”

      That was why I supported the recall. It sent a message, but Arnold fumbled that ball. We probably should have put Tancredo in there. Now the only thing left is to just let the state go bankrupt so all the asinine state employee contracts can be redone.

      • bodo says:

        See, but I would’ve rather kicked the entire legislature to the curb first and started over, is the thing.
        .
        Maybe we could start recalling them in batches?

        • Like peanut butter, or hamburger patties with salmonella. There’s a thought. (“If you have a legislator imprinted with batch number 312Z58, please return him or her to your local election commission at your earliest convenience for a full refund.”)

          • bodo says:

            I’m, uh, not qualified to handle politicians (I have no HazMat equipment, you see).

            • eddiepscetti says:

              I liken politicians to be more like the Borg. Amazing how many people get assimilated.

            • But I’ve got my receipt for him and everything. Maybe I can just get an exchange?

              • bodo says:

                Well, I haven’t emptied the litter box yet today…

              • Eric-in-STL says:

                I’m sorry. He’s past the 90 day return policy. You can try sending him back to the manufacturer, but it’ll take about two weeks to get him replaced or repaired. If you had purchased the special protection plan when you bought him, you could have brought him back to the store any time in the next 3 years to swap him out with a brand new one, no questions asked. Maybe you’ll think next time you pass on the extended warranty, huh?

                (OMG, I’ve been working at Sears way too long.)

      • Cowlifornia says:

        Well, he started out fine. Then the unions got to him. Now he’s just another puppet.

        • PortlandMark says:

          Darn unions. Always standing in opposition to those nice multi-national corporations, asking for a stupid living wage, and that darn health care…

          • viking gal says:

            Not to mention safe working conditions. What are they thinking of!!!!1!1!!elebenty!!!

            • froofrou says:

              Honestly, not to knock the unions, but they had their place back in the day. They truly revolutionized the way industry works, kept kids from working, made working safer and better for all. But really, aren’t employment laws (most of which were brought about by union involvement) enough to protect your average worker? All of the experience I’ve had with unions is that they meddle and make it harder for a company to do its job. I think they were relevant back when people were cattle, but they are holding a lot of people and companies back today.
              -
              Anecdotally, we have several plants in the company I work for that are unionized. Last year we had several jobs that we wanted to turn into upgraded positions that included better pay. The reason behind this switch was so that this particular job (which took more skill than other jobs on the line) would incentivize people and encourage them in the job, as well as give them more money for doing a slightly harder job. The unionized plants fought the change, saying that it was unfair to make people bid on this job instead of paying everyone the wage, regardless of skill level. To this day, our non-unionized plants pay more for this particular job than our unionized plants, because the unions would not agree to the condition that the job was to be bid on and was performance based as far as keeping it.

              • viking gal says:

                I would certainly not claim that unions are the be-all and end-all. They involve humans, so…!
                But employment laws are only as good as enforcement. Just look at the leather factory in Fall River, MA, which was raided by the INS in 2007–300 illegal immigrants were imprisoned, with a major scandal because many had small children who could not be picked up from day care with their parents transported to Texas. But ANYway, the point is that it turns out this factory–who was doing work for the US military–was running sweatshop conditions, with ridiculous rules which enabled them to fine the workers down below their $7 an hour salary. (link to Wall Street Journal article)
                Also, OSHA staffing has been significantly cut over the last several years (if not longer?), which frees unethical companies to skirt safety rules.
                As I said, I’m not a union apologist, unions can serve as a balance against unethical employers or managers. IF the union is doing its job properly.

    • dropping in says:

      I just moved here a few years ago- but I think we must ALSO blame the morons who vote for both lowered taxes AND increased services- can’t have both! On propositions. And to be fair to legislature they do not always have much wiggle room with the props controlling a large portion? But the real reason we ended up here in RECENT history is bc of extremist right wing groups threatening REPs with recall/no re-election if they vote for anything vaguely resembling a tax. Rather than try to compromise (and yes potentially loose there job- whaaa), they capitulated. But this is recent history- this has been building for years and years—-That is why I think PAY-GO propositions must be initiated ASAP—-if you want to add a program, or add funding to a program, you have to say WHERE it will come from- by reducing other programs? OR a new tax program? And vice versa- if you want to lower a tax- how will that get paid for? And finally—-taxes are quite high in CA, so I am not saying that something needs to be done- I am just saying that there is a small group of pp voting for EVERYTHING on the props—then they pass, and we are all screwed. Since you have been here longer can you comment on this idea/perception? I am not over 40 (getting close!)..so not sure if that disqualifies me or not :) .

      • bodo says:

        As I noted above in a different thread, entitlements are a problem (they are literally not allowed to re-allocate the money because certain allocations are sacrosanct).

      • froofrou says:

        PAYGO is easy to get around, as is evidenced by the Clinton Administration. I have a story at Politifact linked to show how it can be easily circumnavigated by those with ulterior motives. You know, like Congress.

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  10. Craptain Failcon says:

    Git to da choppa! Naw!

    Sorry couldnt resist.

  11. Cowlifornia says:

    Seeing how he pulls numbers out his arsehat, i’m not surprised. Then threatening to cut schools and public services FIRST when we should fund those FIRST.

    Him, and the Legislators make me sick.

    good lol though

  12. Wow, the troll isn’t even trying hard and has everybody eating from the hand… Tsk tsk…


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