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Wow. Just… wow. I’m not even sure how to define this…
I had to look this up. Linkey.
And really now, there are liberals with guns who WILL shoot back.
I have one, t yes, I know how to use it, and I will be shooting back (and as a previous target shooting champion, I am pretty sure I would hit something that the drunk Limbaugh toady would not)
I second that. Though I’m not a shooting champion I’m a competent shot and own several guns, long and short. I also frequent the first three events on the list…can I use this babbling idiot hate-screed as proof that I need a carry permit (here in the People’s Republik of Kalifornia)?
That’s one of the more disgusting things I’ve seen lately.
You’ve never seen Rosie O’donnell’s arm fat jiggling in the wind have you
yes there are. i’m very liberal and very well armed. i would welcome an open season on liberals if it meant that there was also one for conservatives. i swear i’d bag my limit daily.
Too bad they can’t hit the side of the barn when they DO shoot back.
Meanwhile, we consistently teach our four year olds to shoot, accurately.;)
RUN FORREST, RUN.
I have a 12-gauge, among many others I grew up shooting.
Point and fire. With my scattergun and buckshot.
Are you insinuating your ass is barn-like in its dimensions?
I agree. I’m an army brat, I know how to fire a semi automatic and a sniper riffle with pretty good accuracy. I was raised by a special forces family, so ask me again, can I hit the broadside of a barn?
I can shoot your ass though if you would like, and find the hole quite easily.
kinda hard to shot back when you never heard the shot to begin with.
really – made my first kill before i started school, grew up hunting to put meat on the table, and i’m a lib and i’ll increase the size of your fecal orifice if you come sneaking around my house at night with bad intents.
How ’bout as a joke? Dems and Reps are both allowed a sense of humor, even after the last eight years.
Well, this shit just isn’t funny, and it illustrates the influence of the lunatic fringe on the Republican Party. Can you imagine how Limbaugh and company would rant if anyone on the left “joked” like this? The thing is, the left just doesn’t joke like this, or spread the kind of lies that the right has about President Obama’s religion and citizenship. Keep it up, Neo-Fascists; there must still be some mainstream Americans you haven’t scared off yet.
Yes, no one on the left lies about sitting presidents that they disagree with. No one ever accused Bush of stealing the election, or of having worse grades at an Ivy League school than his opponents, or of not doing anything to help Africa with the AIDS problem…..yeah, none of that was ever said…..
sure because none of those things are true…
Froo, didn’t you know that when you join the Democratic Party your wings and halo are standard issue? I’m such a long time member that next election they’re upgrading my halo from silver to gold. I’m hoping for a platinum one someday.
*looks at pitchfork and tail*
I think I got screwed.
Yeah, well, I’m an anarchist. All I got was a brick and a balaclava.
I can has a bratwurst and a baseball bat?
You think you got it bad. I’m a socialist… All I got was some pamphlets.
Me too – AND I had to provide them myself.
All I got was…
*looks around*
Well damn, this is what I get for not playing the game.
Yeah, well, I support monarchy. All I got was a God Save The Queen poster.
Wow, Rod Blagojevich has those and he isn’t even in the Republican Party. Go figure.
Yeah, sure – that stuff is hardly comparable to the stuff that is being said about Obama. At least Bush’s critics were up front about it; the right distributes this garbage anonymously via the web and the Republican leadership can claim plausible deniability while declining to refute the lies. McCain never even spoke out against it except the one time he was confronted by it so directly that he couldn’t ignore it. Anyway, I don’t even agree with your interpretation of those critcisms of Bush, except for the one about his poor academic performance. That’s not a lie, though.
Not compared to Gore’s and even Kerry’s. It’s about normal, and slightly above theirs.
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As far as the rest of your post, the left has it’s fingers in as many anonymous smears as the right does. That doesn’t make either side right, nor excuse either party. But don’t delude yourself that “your side” is blameless or has clean hands.
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As a side note, McCain isn’t a conservative, and is barely a Republican. His word means about as much to me as Kim Jung Il’s.
Really, did Kim Jung Il fight for America in Vietnam, too?
Froo… he *did* steal the election…
How?
Apologies to all for a repost:
The Florida Circuit Court ruled that the law required all counties to report by seven days following the election, but that Katherine Harris could, at her discretion, allow for more time to complete recounts. Harris declined to allow more time for the recount, and on November 26, 2000, certified Bush as the winner.
On December 8, 2000, the Florida Supreme Court ruled that a statewide recount of all legally cast ballots must be initiated. The next day, the US Supreme Court stopped the recount, on the grounds that there were questions involving the legality of some of the votes cast, and that counting all the votes would “threaten irreparable harm to petitioner Bush, and to the country, by casting a cloud upon what he claims to be the legitimacy of his election.”
However, I think claims of a stolen election are legitimate based on other data you don’t address:
1) The person who first ruled Bush’s victory legitimate was the Campaign Co-Chair for the Bush/Cheney campaign in Florida.
2) The same person initiated a purge of felons from Florida voter rolls; unfortunately, due to sloppy handling of the purge, thousands of people were purged improperly.
3) In 2000, Florida Republicans illegally engaged in the process of Voter Caging; wherein mail is sent to voters in areas that traditionally vote for one’s opponent. If the mail is returned as undeliverable, this is used as a reason to challenge the legitimacy of individual voters. The voters in question don’t know they’re being challenged until they arrive at the polls, and therefor don’t even get a chance to prove their legitimacy. It should be noted that the Republican party misused this tactic in the ’80s to exclude primarily black voters from voting, and has been forbidden from using the tactic by court order.
I won’t even get into the question of misleading ballots and claims of vote flipping on machines produced by companies owned by Bush campaign supporters, since these claims have never been proven in court. Still, I find them credible, if not defensible.
The Supreme Court settled it. Are you doubting their veracity?
It’s their bias that left no doubt.
Bias? But the Supremes are the ultimate arbiter.
Traditionally, as goes their bias, so goes the law of the land.
The ghost of FDR wants a word with you. He sounds pissed.
I respect them, but no, it did not seem right. It was a 4-3 decision, and everyone voted according to the party of the president who nominated them. Plus, the decision they made was “quit counting the votes, we’ll just decide, oh, and this decision should never be used as a precedent in any future elections”, which doesn’t seem right to me. If they had just counted the votes, I wouldn’t have been so pissy.
After the election, the votes were counted according to something like fourteen different standards to determine how the election would have counted, and in 11 of those 14 methods, Gore was the winner.
Do you doubt the legitimacy of Roe V Wade?
You are aware of the voting patterns, yes?
Interesting. And no, I’ll have to look that up.
You can’t work in absolutes like that. The supreme court can’t always be absolutely right or absolutely wrong. To beleive something can be absolutely right blinds you to corruption and to beleive something can be absolutely wrong can blind you to truth. Just because they were right before, doesn’t mean they always will be.
On December 9, the U.S. Supreme Court stayed the Florida recount, by a 5–4 vote.
How exactly is that theft of the election?
Are you insinuating the president, as a citizen, does not have the right to seek legal remedy from the Supreme Court?
The supreme court is not some sort of perfect deity, unable to make mistakes. I believe that Reagan, Bush I and Bush II have nominated ideologues rather than prudent jurists. Brendon, (responding to me) says it well: if you’re a conservative, I’m sure you doubt the validity of Roe V Wade.
That doesn’t even address my other points:
“1) The person who first ruled Bush’s victory legitimate was the Campaign Co-Chair for the Bush/Cheney campaign in Florida.
2) The same person initiated a purge of felons from Florida voter rolls; unfortunately, due to sloppy handling of the purge, thousands of people were purged improperly.
3) In 2000, Florida Republicans illegally engaged in the process of Voter Caging; wherein mail is sent to voters in areas that traditionally vote for one’s opponent. If the mail is returned as undeliverable, this is used as a reason to challenge the legitimacy of individual voters. The voters in question don’t know they’re being challenged until they arrive at the polls, and therefor don’t even get a chance to prove their legitimacy. It should be noted that the Republican party misused this tactic in the ’80s to exclude primarily black voters from voting, and has been forbidden from using the tactic by court order.”
Take it as you will. I’m going to bed.
Um, there is serious evidence out there that “calling the election” an hour before the polls closed in the panhandle cost Bush several thousand more votes as well.
I realize this is ancient history, but it was a 5-4 decision, and only 2 of the Justices were appointed by a Democratic president (which is still true).
Nobody takes that decision seriously. They THEMSELVES asserted that it could never be used as precedent. They KNEW it was a bullcrap decision when they issued it. It’s “settled” because there is no technical, procedural way to correct it. You corrupted the final arbiter, you win. Congratu-goddamn-lations.
Most members of the court were appointed by Reagan and Bush Sr. and two of those retired under Bush Jr., they had personal reasons to hand the election to Bush on a silver platter, as they did not want to retire under a democrate president and get replaced by a democrate.
I don’t think Florida should have the right to vote.
False moral equivalency fail. Don’t even TRY to tell me there was anything close to the right wing’s level of eliminationist rhetoric coming from the left. Liberals ostracize the violent crazies; reactionaries embrace them.
Can you imagine how much people that comment on this site would rant if it was ever posted here?
Oh wait…
Really? I think it’s f*cking hilarious. Get over yourself.
Finding stupidity funny pretty much defines the modern redneck conservative. Go back to your trailer and have a generic beer while you scratch yourself and wonder why your wife keeps hiding your gun.
That’s if you still have a wife. Get your kids’ DNA checked too – are they really yours?
Oh really?
And liberal comedy is just ALL about the intelligence, all the time.
Close enough. Do I need to draw you a graph? If I do a graph with one set of data for liberal humor and one for conservative humor, with stupid on one side and clever on the other, the two bell curves would be far enough apart to look like a pair of boobs. That would amuse you, wouldn’t it? Something for everyone….
I know I was amused when Ross Perot did it..
Oh sure its funny what with all the shootings going on the past couple of weeks with Tiller and the Holocaust museum. Gee I can see how its worth laughing about. Tard
Well, I say we ANNEX MEXICO! Does that make me a liberal or a conservative? We could use another state – plenty of willing workers who will now receive a decent wage – lots of space for aging hippies to build communes for retirement – does away with the need for building that stoopid fence in Texas. And if the Mexicans object we declare war on them. Let’s keep our fighting in THIS hemisphere. No, better, let’s just keep fighting amoung ourselves and leave the rest of the world ALONE! See how they like it when we stop giving them $$$
You may want to rethink that; After all, Mexico nearly managed to annex Texas once.
And we stopped them… why?
Yeah, and they can have California, too!
uhh w/o california you realize your gunna lose all the computer scientists so when your nice little comps broken the new one will cost more due to tariffs and many foods will be the same way. not to mention the fact that the silicon valley invents most computer related technology. also due to the fact that california has by far the largest population the armed forces will shrink radically. so you might want to rethink that one.
You do realize it was a joke, right?
This is why I cannot say I’m a conservative. Among a lot of other things. But I can’t say I’m a liberal either.
Then, like me, you’re probably a moderate. Not such a bad place to be, really. See things rationally instead of by party or Left/right. Pretty lonely here though
Okay.
*heaves chest*
Hello, my name is Captain Wow. And I’m a moderate.
Hello, Captain Wow. Cookie?
*takes the cookie*
Delicious! Thanks lowly grunt!
Awesome! I’m glad to know I’m not alone.. Just be prepared to be called a R.I.N.O. And what’s funny about that is the ‘Moderates’ are really the original Republican Party.
let ‘em call me a RINO. I’m not even a Republican so they’d be wrong. (Not a Democrat either–member of the Indendence party, sometimes called the Reform Party).
Let’s hear it for the GDIs!
*crickets chirp*
What is a RINO?
Republican In Name only
I heartily endorse this product and/or service. Anything that keeps the Wow-chest heaving is fine by me.
True moderates are okay, but there are millions of righties right now who claim to be “moderates”; for instance, Bill O’Reilly. For those of you who are uncertain, here’s an easy test: if you can’t think of anyone who’s further to the right than you are, you are not a moderate.
The opposite test doesn’t apply, *EVERYONE* can think of someone further to the left than them.
Ahem.
Except me. I *am* the far left wing
me too—sometimes, some issues
Bill O’Reilly is as moderate as I am male (and my ID and birth certificate say female, for the record)
I suppose I pass the test. Most of my family is further right than I am. Not to say that they’re MORE right, of course
And how far left wing would that be? (I’m curious)
You know, when it comes to politics and terms of left and right, the Democrats would still be considered right of centre here in Holland
The left-wing parties would probably have most Americans scream “ZOMG SOCIALISTS!!1! RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!” 
Thank you for pointing that out. Does anyone in your country have to wait for up to twenty four hours to be seen in an emergency room, or choose to die rather than bankrupt his family, like we sometimes do here in the richest country on Earth?
*ahem* SOME of you live in the richest strata of the country. Most of you live in a far less wealthy stratum. America’s welfare system sucks – plenty of other countries do it far better. That MAY be because the Left side of politics has been in power more often in those countries?
Suddenly I want to move to Holland.
Might be worth it… Germany’s been rather kind to this expat thus far…
If I could afford a ticket, I’d buy you one. But President B-tard has taken all my money so that he can “save” the economy…
That’s a little hard to believe, since he gave most of us tax cuts… so, you either don’t know how to do your taxes and just sent in a wad, or you’re doing well enough that what you have left is plenty. In either case, quitcher bitchin’. Or better yet, bitch at those who wrecked the system, not the person fixing it.
I really just believe in a well regulated capitalist economy, with high taxes on people who make more than, oh, let’s call it two or three million dollars a year, American, to pay for universal health care and higher education for as long as one gets good grades.
I think everyone should work at something to support themselves, but it should be possible for one parent to earn enough to support a family without working three jobs.
I think the military should be small, but equipped with the most technically advanced equipment we can possibly produce.
I would never start a war, but I wouldn’t shy away from creating a radioactive glass parking lot if needed.
I don’t think anyone needs a machine gun, but I think anyone doesn’t have mental issues or a criminal record should be able to buy rifles, shotguns and pistols.
I don’t think one should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon, but I have no problem with wearing it out in the open.
I believe in decriminalizing most drugs and any sexual contact between consenting adults, regardless of any financial renumeration.
I think the state should not authorize any marriage in any form, but civil contracts should be legal among any adults who wish to enter into them. Let the churches make whatever rules they want about marriage.
How liberal is that?
BTW, is it true that if I have grandparents born in Holland, I can exercise right of return to emigrate?
Marry me?
*Blush*
I’m cool with most of that. Though on the area of machine guns, I feel if they can prove responsible, they should be allowed to have them. Keyword: prove.
I know plenty of guys I would trust with a machine gun. They have no urge to kill anybody, they’re just collectors and enthusiasts.
Yeah, collectors are okay. Please modify above statement to reflect that
I thought you were more left wing than me, I pretty much agree with all of that!
I know, right? Listen to some of the Righties around here, though, and you’d think I was the Second Coming of Chairman Mao!
Are you real? ‘Coz if you are, I wanna be your civil union partner too.
I guess it really depends on the issue with me. I’m left-wing on some, and extremely neo-con right wing on others. I’m just confused
Not confused, actually you’re using your brain, rather than jumping on any idealogue’s bandwagon. *thumbs up*
i second that, it’s what differentiates us from the sheeple. i used to be confused then i realized that there is no way i could like every single position a politician had, so i had to figure out what issues meant the most to me, and make my choices accordingly. which is way i now hate the way washington does its primaries – straight party ticket – sucks, because often i prefer a gop at the local level over some of the dems. and i think if i regiser independent, i don’t get to vote for anyone in the primaries…. must check into that before 2010….
(not)
but anyway, welcome to the adult world of rationality – it sucks being a grown up and thinking for yourself
You can vote in Democratic Party primaries if you are independent. The Republican party does not allow that.
Hey, I’ve been here for a while. Echo echo echo…
Personally, I’m just too lazy to lean left or right.
Besides, all that leaning gives me vertigo.
As an anarcho-syndicalist, I don’t even fit on the left-center-right spectrum. Small fed, states rights, but at a state and local level, all basic necessities socialized, with the free market providing luxuries only.
I’m fiscally semi-conservative (centrist, I guess). Socially I couldn’t or wouldn’t be conservative on my worst day. No matter how fiscally tight-assed I ever got, the “morals” of the right-wing would send me fleeing, arms flailing, lungs squeezing out shrill shrieks of horror, back to the bosom of my lefty brethren.
Fiscally semi-conservative? Weren’t you complaining yesterday about your taxes being used to build roads? *not attacking, just confused*
I wasn’t complaining about it at all. I was just pointing out that everyone’s tax dollars pay for things that they are not interested in. As someone who commutes by bike and never learned (or wanted to learn) how to drive, I have no interest in highways. If there was a complaint, it would be directed at suburbs, about which I cannot complain enough, for reasons both social and ecological.
Oh yeah. Giant vehicles and big-box stores complete my unholy triumvirate of complaint targets. Hate them all.
I’m with you on the giant vehicles part. I used to have a minivan and that thing had lousy gas mileage and wasn’t any better at toting my family around than our far more fuel efficient Hyundai Elantra.
Screw you and your tin cans with motors!! I drive an SUV because I have no choice, and I refused to buy a van. I am not a soccer mom
I can’t fit my family in a car, regardless of the gas mileage. These little roller skates that The Man wants us to drive will get me to where I need to go, but only after leaving two kids at home.
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And I refuse to compromise my or my family’s safety. I read an article the other day that said that CAFE standards have killed more people than the Iraq war. So there
No matter the size of the family, you will NEVER be “required” to drive a SUV to get them places. Minivans and vans hold more, for more efficiency, and are provably safer than SUVs in everything but getting hit by a train. Also, did that article include civilian deaths as a result of the war? I doubt it highly.
{http://www.cnbc.com/id/30850102}
Original blog article.
{http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA546CAFEStandards.html}
From the National Policy Analysis.
I’m also looking for the link to the Brookings Institution study on this very thing.
And, as a side note, if the new CAFE standards are held up, then I will one day be required to buy a tin can with a motor for the simple fact that there will be no in between. There will be tin cans, and semi trucks.
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Check the total deaths due to CAFE standards. Unless the population of Afganistan and Iraq is greater than that of China and the US, I’d say it’s killed more than combat troops and civies combined. Unless I’m reading it wrong.
i actually agree with you kinda D:
my father used to get a lot of flack for the SUV we had. it was for long roadtrips and hauling the trailer, we had a van but it didn’t work as well for us.
My dad had 11 brothers and sisters. When he was a kid his parents bought a hearse and added seats to the back so that they could all ride in one car (not all of them could fit in one van). My in laws had to buy a SUV because they have five kids all 200-300lbs (ages 10-25) everyone is too fat to all fit in a van, only 1-2 people can fit in a seat.(bench seat).
Ah, ok. Thanks for clarifying!
Since you don’t have any interest in highways, I suppose you only eat food grown/raised within ~10 miles of where you live, eh?
Yes, as a matter of fact, I do. And I make my own clothes. What’s your point?
i dont think there was a point and thats great that you can do that… wish this area was more condusive to it
Amen about the suburbs. City or country. Pick one. Suburbs have all the bad things about cities and none of the good things about the country. Can’t have windmills because it will mess up someone’s satellite reception. Can’t have geothermal because you’ll dig right into a sewer line. etc, etc.
Lots of hot air in the suburbs, though.
Indeed. Comes from all the overeducated people with no common sense and the politicians they elect to keep their precious suburban tax dollars from being used to solve the inner city’s problems.
speak for your self! and if your inner city has problems, fix it yourself isn’t that one of the benefits you espouse as an urbanite? our suburban tax money should go to support our communities, not build sports arenas that are so high priced only the overpaid urban ‘elite’ can afford to get in, and the same for your play houses and other cultural must haves… you want it, you pay for it! it’s part of why we live in the suburbs – neighbors aren’t packed in like fish in sardine can and our kids can play without needing to make ‘playdates’ and the like. furthermore for some it is a bridge between urban and rural – some of us would move farther out if we could afford it or if we could work from home….
Heh. Practically word for word what I tried to say in a post that got eaten. Creepy, huh?
I like rational liberal- it means that I tend to agree with liberal ideals, but that I also see the crazy and the value of compromise and moderation.
USA has two parties, both of them corporate right wing parties.
THANK YOU!
I’m pretty conservative on most issues except for sex-related issues, to be perfectly honest. I think the right needs to get the metaphoric stick out of it’s collective a$$ regarding that type of thing.
The sad thing is that the “idea” of conservatives would be great. Government minds its business and keeps small but very functional, making sure there is freedom for ALL.
However, in application, a majority of conservatives want government as a stick to beat “morals” into others.
That’s where I like conservatives. Small government, but highly functional and organized. But it’s the abortion, gay marriage, and all the other hot issues that I get hung up on.
Pretty much what burns me too. Far lefties get too Kumbaya and wanting to blame objects for what people are responsible for to keep my interest long.
I technically have a Good Old Boy mentality but with amendments. I just want good neighbors and functioning government. I just don’t get hung up on gender, race, sexuality, etc. I figure if Tom and Bob are my friends, they are more than welcome to come over, eat supper, and hang out. Same goes for Sally and Jane and obviously anybody of particular race/creed.
The only catch is that I am still the same idiot/pervert/unpolitically correct person I will always be. My only saving grace in that regard is that I mock myself just as bad as I mock anybody else.
Clearly we need to start our own party.
Umm….political party.
Yes. This is much needed. We’ll call us the PK Oddballs. I can see it now. Any other suggestions for the name?
I’m in if there will be dancers. Yes, yes, you can have male dancers too. I will just wear horse blinders.
I’ll put up some cash for dancers for DWN and some male ones too.
Woot!
*Gets out stilletto heels and tassels*
Cash talks, DWN…
So does whip, ropes, paddles, floggers, and presidential EO power.
*presents money and grins wickedly* However, money will work for now.
*Takes money, knocks out DWN and dresses him in heels, tassels and golden thong*
*wakes up*
I look terrible in this…
*goes to put my normal clothes on* There, moderately better. Thus I reiterate by I avoid strip clubs and strippers.. *dusts self off with a sigh, checks mirror to remove make up and markings and writes the whole thing off as a life lesson and calls personal espionage squad to hunt MG down*
*why
Stupid typos…
HEY! those are MY tassels!
*sighs and pushes over tassles to Shortright while I clarify details to my minions* No, no pliers. Soft torture. Look, just get me a feather and ring me when you have the “package” in tow.
*Drops DWN’s minions out of a minivan, bound and gagged, pulls away whilst waving a feather*
DWN’s Chief Espionage Squad Leader: ” I know boss, but you should SEE what she did with that feather!!”
*sighs and kicks a minion over*
Not even a simple task.
*executes them personally and reloads. Sits in office and resigns self to just shooting her later*
She…she tricked me, I swear! She was making them spin COUNTER to each other, one to the right, one to the left! I was helpless. *whimper*
You’re only alive because you are useful. Grab a drink to calm yourself and go practice your backswing with the paddle.
*grovels gratefully*
You’re a good minion, Ivan. We just need to be craftier and less theatric when dealing with a tough cookie. Now go work on your backswing and calm your nerves.
*makes phone call to DWM*
Uh, boss, she kept me. I don’t know why. I don’t know where I am, and why there’s about a foot of water surrounding the chair I’m sitting in. A little help here?
*considers activating the bomb under Eric’s skin. Sighs and instead activates the adrenaline rush system*
There, you have twenty minutes of experiencing epicness. See you in a bit.
I’m in as long as I don’t have to dance. You don’t want to see it, I assure you
No, I learned my lesson. No dancers.
*gets down off the table grumbling*
Didn’t want to be up there anyway…
the 6 inch lucite platform stilettos made your legs look good though!
*sniffles* Thanks…
Jane my dear, you know you have personal tasks far more entertaining that dancing. We’ll discuss this in my office. And your legs are stunning.
*skips of to the president’s office for “the talk” whistling*
*has long and thorough discussion about discipline in the office, dance conduct, seating arrangements, oral reporting, educational reform, and lots of dental demonstration.*
The party you speak of has been around a long time. It was originally called the Republican party. Then the GOP was highjacked by the Religeous right. Those of us who saw that happening left the GOP and eventually became the Libertarian party.
But since the media has defined us as a bunch of cooks, people pretend we don’t exist.
The foundation of the libertarian party is simple and time tested. it is laid out in an established and well respected, though rarely read document alled the U.S. Constitution.
Sorry, I know of them and most of them are kooks who want to strip the government down to where it couldn’t possibly function.
Not my style either.
You’re a bunch of cooks in the Libertarian party? Can you make me some mushroom appetizers?
I couldn’t decide if he meant kooks or crooks.
I could go for a quesadilla.
Wow that does sound good.
Ooh, yeah, mushroom caps with crab stuffing. I could murder a plate of those. (Yes, even at this hour.)
Awww, how nice. Now I have somewhere to go eat if I ever travel to Iowa (that’s where you are, right?)
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My main political problem is that I haven’t worked out a way to be a member of the Socialist party and the Green party simultaneously. That and I worry for Ralph Nader’s sanity.
Ralph Nader has sanity? Where? Is it a little piece stuck on his mouth after eating a sane person?
I actually think it ran away and is living in a very nice commune somewhere.
It’s hard to see one’s heroes go batty as they age…
That is the funniest thing I’ve heard in forever. Nice, froo, nice. I will appropriate that to drop into a conversation one day (with proper attribution, of course). I’m still snickering over that.
..Welcome to the Libertarian party. The slogan essentially is “stay out of my damn business, I’m not hurting anyone”. ^_~
Small government? Then the republican party certainly cannot be anything for in more than rhetoric.
You probably should turn to the libertarian party..
Just jumping in to add that the Libertarian Party has very little to do with actual Libertarianism nowadays
pretty much covers it…
Then you need to check into Libertarianism. Not full fledged mind you, but look into it. A lot of people I meet and talk to on the web are tired of both parties are looking elsewhere, and this is the area I landed in. let me rephrase that. That I went to kicking and screaming. But if it closer fits your ideaology, then it’s what you might want to check out.
Remember folks, you don’t have to belong to a party, and if you belong to a party, you don’t have to support it if you don’t agree with it.
Notice gay comes up twice? (Gay pride parades/lesbian luncheons) like there was never a gay conservative… *sigh*
Hate against blacks is wrong, and against jews, but gays, are still fair targets -_-
I DO have to give them props for such nice alliteration on “lesbian luncheons” though.
What about if you’re a black, jewish homosexual, are you fair game then?
Actually, most right-wingers wonder where, exactly, the left lost its sense of humor.
Probably the same time and place the left lost its no-much-lamented manhood.
Kinda hard to giggle about lynching and other violence against people, but I guess I’m just a wuss.
Naw, you clearly just lost your manhood.
Never had it.
I’m female.
Hamdulillah
Maybe it’s just me, but after living with Arabs for 20 years, and a Bosnian-Croat for 10, American and West-European leftist males strike me as incredibly effeminate.
I dunno….do you have to, like, place your manhood in a blind trust when you convert to leftist idoeology?
I just don’t get it….-
What the…? You can’t possibly be confused on the nesting as it was only three levels down, but the remark about manhood was directed at pittypat, as she’s the one I replied to.
It’s okay, Nesting Fail happens.
Perhaps there should be a pill for that. Have you chosen a Surgeon General yet, sir? They could make looking into Nesting Fail their first project.
Good point. We need to start vetting candidates.
*sticks head out of White House front door*
HELLLLLLOOOOOOOOO! Anyone out there wanna be Surgeon General?
From what I’ve heard about Arab culture, perhaps you are mistaking seeing effeminate in place of not poisoned by machismo?
Actually I lost my sense of humor when some coward of a good ol boy put a bullet through the John Kerry bumpersticker on my car.
The biggest reason I don’t put anything political on my car. I don’t need to give some crazy extremist a reason for breaking my windows because they don’t like my bumper sticker. So much for free speech…..
Might want to check on your definition of “free speech”. The U.S. Constitution only protects you from the government regulating speech, not other people disagreeing/getting pissed off/etc. over what you say.
No side is immune to this kind of crap – I don’t put political stuff on my car for the same reason – plenty of wacko lefties out there to go around, who don’t respect people’s private property (the kind who don’t believe it should exist at all) and why bother taking that kind of chance? Then there was Napolitano’s decree that anyone sporting a Ron Paul bumper sticker was a potential terrorist, and the guy who was just accosted by police for having a “Don’t Tread On Me” sticker on HIS car – yeah, I don’t bother. Though I will wear T-shirts occasionally – I figure if someone’s stupid enough to attack my person they shall get what they get. Whether that be jail time or a bullet in the eye.
so… was it you that scratched out my NRA sticker.
Nah, that was me. I peed on it too, btw.
And then I put the NAMBLA sticker over it.
I had anti bush and NRA stickers on my truck. Many people would go to destroy the anti bush sticker and see the NRA sticker and get confused. (Neither sticker was ever damaged)
Wow. I guess your definition of manliness would involve a swaggering, “what the hell are you looking at?!?” attitude and a willingness to beat up anyone who looks like they can’t defend themselves? Maybe a compulsion to f*ck any woman that doesn’t protest firmly enough?
I’d define it as a willingness to stand up for what’s right, even if that’s not popular; the courage to defend those who can’t defend themselves, and the integrity to do whatever it takes to take care of your family, but I’m interested in hearing what your violence and rape filled fantasy of “manhood” is.
sounds like a Lil wayne video or any other rapper out there. “Obama or die” sound familiar.
cf. Chimp social/sexual life style.
The refrain of the bully, caught bullying: “But it was only a joke! Where’s your sense of humor?”
It’s clearly intended to be a joke, but that doesn’t make it a good joke. It’s a stupid & mean-natured joke. Joke fail.
Worry not, I’m flexible and wrote my own retort below.
I’m game. In the spirit of things.
Neocon Hunting license
No Bag Limit
May be used under the influence of alcohol or drugs.
No tagging, just let them rot and God will figure it out.
Permissable at churches, Republican National Conventions, Board Meetings, Talk Shows, Tea Bagging Conventions, and anywhere you hear liberal used as an insult.
May use Day or Night, With or Without Dogs.
Bow Hunting, Any caliber of Gun, and Cannons allowed.
Neocon Trophy tips:
When stuffing the head, overstuffing actually corrects the shape of their skull though you might have to shave the excess bone on the inside.
The skin isn’t that good for leather, despite all advertisement, as it is very thin.
Unfortunately you can’t make a following eyes effect as they remain that shortsighted in death.
Neocon Hunting tips:
Listen for their mating call, Hatetaxes.
A good way to spot them is to call out liberal media and see who perks up with a snarl on their face. Apply bullets liberally.
Churches can be tricky as not just neocons visit them. Look out for those that seem to hate any kind of change and always perk up during fire and brimstone sermons. Autofire is suggested.
Discuss abortion with a friend in public who is also ready. Shoot anybody who decides to verbally assault you without any consideration that it is a gray issue and not black and white.
More to come later.
*Unfolds flame-retardant neo-con shield just in case*
Plenty of room under here if you need it, dear… just don’t forget the marshmallows.
Nah, I’m good. I’m sure they can take a joke.
Nope. Still not funny. Especially for the large % of Christian liberals who don’t wanna be shot on Sundays
Read more. I covered how to handle churches.
Oops. Reading comprehension Fail.
No worries, I tried to be at least a little more thoughtful with my joke than the original. I at least made the distinction between small government conservatives and forced religion neocons.
So I added tips to help clarify my thinking.
Sorry- I lost mine when Matthew Shepard (a guy I knew) was strung up like a scarecrow by pp proud to have bumper stickers like this- this is not a joke- that is why it is not funny- these freaks actually act out in this manner- somewhat regularly- killing pp you do not agree wiht- sounds like Al Queda, not Comedy Central to me.
Words mean nothing, but, I’m sorry.
I’m terribly sorry about that. I run my schools GSA and I made my club do a presentation on cultural day and then say that tolerance is just as important to the LGBT community as it is with racism and other religions.
What happened to Matthew is deplorable. Those sick idiots get whatever comes to them.
Er, conservatives’ “manhood” has been missing for about 15 years. The most obvious characteristic of the American right is its whiny PC-ness.
I’m sorry, there’s something amusing about promoting homophobia, etc? Sorry, don’t see the humor.
It was lost about the time the right made this joke of a president, who got us into all kinds of messes and then made no attempt to clean it up. The joke fell flat, and so did the economy.
Wow that’s a big generalization. Wanna come try & back up that kinda talk, tough guy?
Nope, there’s never been a psychopathic left-wing bumper sticker ever. Nope. Never.
It must be really nice judging a large bloc of people by their most extreme members. Personally, I’d like to think I’m too intelligent to make such silly judgments, but I’m glad they work for you.
Hey… Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity have made careers out that…
hey remember the Book that came out half way through Bush’s term. “How to Assasinate President Bush”. Oh but that was all in good fun. or how about a statue of Sarah Pallin being hung. or how about 90% of the gratuitus swipes at conservatives this web site post, that’s all good fun. I’m glad we live in a country where we have free speech and have good fun as long as I don’t offend.
Waaaaa, mah free speech is being met by someone else’s free speech! I thought ‘free speech’ meant that everyone had to agree with what I say!
Wingnuts are wingnuts, whatever side they are on. Why try to defend them by pointing out that wingnuts on the other side are also wingnuts? Doesn’t make sense.
Wingnut.. yeah, you with the Stempy avatar! (j/k fwiw)
Hey, I’m proud to be a wingnut!
The “I know you are but what am I” defense?
Yep, whatever works for any given situation!
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Still, Seth The Wingnut has a nice ring to it, dontchya think?
I prefer, “First Prophet of the Great Wingnut,” as I am not actually the Wingnut Itself, but merely Its herald.
Repent all ye spinners, for the Wingnut Cometh!
On who?
The Great Wingnut bestoweth Its seed on all who ask on bended knee.
Or, you know, lying on the bed with their head hanging off the edge. The Great Wingnut is flexible on the matter.
I prefer between the tits, but that’s just me.
Well, I just wasted a fair amount of Pepsi Max on my computer screen there. Thanks, froo.
That sounds like a plan. Lynn has a great pair.
How long would I have to stay like that? ‘Cause, you know, I’d get a headache will all the blood rushing to me head and all.
I’d like to register a slight complaint. The accepted term for left wing nutjobs is “Moonbats” or sometimes “barking moonbats.” Wingnuts is properly used to refer to right-wingers (whether or not they are nutjobs most times.)
Okay, that’s pretty funny.
Barking moonbats? Ooh, I work in a university Zoology Department – I can feel a thesis proposal coming on. . .!
But I don’t even like bats…
Well, I understand that’s the lingo of today, but I have a long history with the Wingnut. My handle on my ‘home site,’ slashdot.org, is ’spun,’ which was the first handle I used on the web, at the original DFC when it was hosted at spinnweb.com. Spinn, spun, see the connection? Anyway, when I got my account at slashdot I used ’spun’ but I had to come with a clever reason for the name. For a short while it was “Seth: Pretentious Unix Nerd.”
I was living in San Francisco at the time, and heard a joke: “Why hasn’t SF fallen into the ocean yet? Because there’s a wingnut on every corner holding it down,” and I thought, spun, wingnuts spin, hmm… And the “First Prophet of the Great Wingnut” was born, back in 1997.
To this day, you can find that explanation on my slashdot user page. I’ve even developed a whole mythology of The Great Wingnut involving a swirling vortex of energy hanging over San Francisco, matching spins with the lesser wingnuts who move there while kicking the straight and the straight-laced out.
I’ll take a pass, thanks.. froo?
C’mon, Eddie, it’s good for your skin!
No, sorry, I’m not a metro male..
Wondering how some lefties seem to get mad at the right when the right is not “PC”, but GOD (crap I said the “G” word I must be a neo-con) forbid the right get upset at the left for not being “PC”. We’re being whiney, but to you it’s being moral. Who’s pushing who’s morals down who’s throat. Each side loves to judge the other with blanket statements. It’s easier to make the issue black or white (BOTH sides do it). Bottom line is this is a stupid joke, however I have seen just as nasty stuff from the left that hasn’t been condemned by the left either (IE good ole fatty Ms. O’Donnel calling out troops terrorists, and she was serious not joking.) Come on everytime Bill Maher opens his mouth he’s just as offensive, or George Carlin on religion and mocking it. Those were jokes, insulting a whole people b/c of their belief, funny how it’s ok for a liberal comedian, but not a conservative one. Everyone needs to get off their high horse and just deal. People have differing opinions than you, the joy of our society.
The big difference is that when (I’m told this is the accepted term now) barking moonbats actually call for violence they are roundly condemned by the vast majority of liberals. Eliminationist rhetoric among wingnuts is taken in stride by the mainstream.
Really! I’ve yet to see the main stream media condemn any liberal violence. And you say that I take in stride murder? Usually not.
I think that’s because there really isn’t any liberal violence happening in the USA right now. (Don’t come at me with your Forced Pregnancy rhetoric on this particular post, you know what I mean)
(The MSM is already criticizing ELF and other weird groups)
I have to say that I never say those- and I am pretty liberal (I go to sites that woudl mention those things). I want to hope the difference is that regualr guys think this is funny and put it on there vehicles without thinking (i.e. the men in my family). But there is a contingent of Timothy McVeigh types that can, do, and HAVE acted it out- i.e. NOT FUNNY. I am a) not aware of anyone that has bought the book or poster you mention (but that is a small n in a large world), but b) NO ONE ACTUALLY TRIED TO DO IT. That is the difference- no one tried to kill Bush (and they should not have written such a book, it is stupid and irrational- we do have kooks on the left too), not one hung Palin, nor has anyone even tried. But Matthew Shepherd was killed, Harvey Milk, was assassinated, and a black man was dragged to death by pp. Lefties in American that are too kooky also tend to be to high on Pot to act on the craziness. Righties are too drunk not to. Gross overgeneralization, but I think an interesting one. My own bias may be blocking examples of left liberals committing heinous acts of public hate- so please remind me if I missed anything similar to what I have listed? And please list only things from the last 10-15 years as I have.
The right wing really can’t go into that, b/c be liberal definition there is not such thing as HATE against conservative veiws. If a group of black males kill a white man, it’s not a race related crime. The Left Wing media also would not be doing th eliberal cause justice if they were to report liberal acts of violence. I abhor violence on any individual when done in hate and not self defense.
“If a group of black males kill a white man, it’s not a race related crime.”
Um, cites?
Not trying to be totally snarky, but I don’t think anyone has a problem blaming crime on black men. They do make up such a small portion of the prison population, after all…
Well, help us out. Find a left wing bumper sticker that advocates murdering people because it’s “funny”. We’ll wait while you search.
Pro Choice.
How is that funny? And how is that about murdering a class of people defined by their political views?
You’re right, not funny. Also right it’s just blanket murder.
And we should all feel a lot of quilt.
Just pointing out the hypocrisy. Funny how “joke” murder is unacceptable, however the killing of an unborn child is touted as a bastion of freedom. Hey I’m Pro-Choice for the only reason that people would do it anyway, and might as well have them do it in a clean environment rather than back allies and sap more resources from our overworked police and health care. Both sides are hypocrits, I just don’t see liberals admit to it.
Duvet even know what they’re doing?
Sorry, I don’t think a small mass of cells with no self awareness is a human being. Not murder, to me.
Okay, dudes, let’s preface this with… I am pro-choice — it’s not my womb.
Uhhm, PM, Eric’s baby died (sorry, Eric) at I believe 21 weeks (I honestly can’t remember, even though I read what you posted about it just a few weeks ago), which is still an abortable age. Meaning it’s not a mass of cells, but could sustain life outside the womb.
I’m not trying to using Eric’s tragedy for political purposes, I’m just making an observation. That sticker “hurts” s certain segment of society just as much as the one posted at the top of the page.
And Eric, I’m really sorry, man. Makes no sense.
I feel bad for Eric’s pain. I would never try to tell him his emotions aren’t valid.
I also know women who undergo abortions frequently undergo the same symptoms of grieving and loss that women who lose, umm, “born children” do.
I think criminals who attack pregnant women should be punished much more severly than for attacks on other people.
Nevertheless, I have stated my opinion.
I get it. And accordingly, so do you.
Where did I ever get the impression that I didn’t like you?!?
While that is a noble opinion to have (about prosecuting more severely if the woman is pregnant), it’s such a slippery slope for abortion advocates that it will never be put into practice. You’re giving the fetus rights at that point, which negates the “mass of cells” argument, and pulls the rug out from under the pro-choice-ers. However, I completely agree with you.
Well, he didn’t say it would be double murder. He just said it would be worse.
Possibly as in it would be destroying additional property of the woman.
Oh man. Dude.
Ouch.
Wow, I gotta use cold posting more often if it crashes your brains like that…
Yeah, it’s not about double murder, as DWN says. It’s just that pregnant women, and of course, women in general, deserve extra protection. Any culture that doesn’t do that will be both morally wrong and suicidal.
Holy sh!t man! Hide your junk…
*sets up the feminazi perimeter*
*awaits wanging*
Circle the wagons of Wangaha, Wanashka. They won’t take this redoubt.
Wait, what am I defending again? *wields wang saber*
I raise my eyebrow at you, Mr Positive Discrimination.
*Raises eyebrow*
This isn’t the stone age. Isn’t this sort of misguided chivalry what women in the military don’t like?
I, personally, find it rather demeaning that (kind as you obviously mean to be) you consider me to need more looking-after than a male…
It’s a simple matter of biology, AC.
To make the argument plain, we’re gonna go to the absurd limits right away.
Suppose you have a small village in the middle of nowhere, totally separated from the rest of humanity by, oh, let’s say giant radioactive crocodiles. There’s a starting population of 100 people. What are the odds of it surviving and thriving for a hundred years?
If 99 of those people are men, the only way the village will have a chance is if the one woman stays pregnant constantly till she dies, and if all her daughters suffer the same fate. Ditto their daughters. Might be heaven to some, but it sounds grim to me.
If 99 of those people are women, the situation changes considerably. First, let’s not make any rude jokes about how much fun the man has. Nevertheless, the odds of the village thriving have risen dramatically!
Or, as Robert Heinlein said much better than I ever could:
All societies are based on rules to protect pregnant women and young children. All else is surplusage, excrescence, adornment, luxury, or folly, which can — and must — be dumped in emergency to preserve this prime function. As racial survival is the only universal morality, no other basic is possible. Attempts to formulate a “perfect society” on any foundation other than “Women and children first!” is not only witless, it is automatically genocidal. Nevertheless, starry-eyed idealists (all of them male) have tried endlessly — and no doubt will keep on trying.
1. Not all women are pregnant.
2. We are not in an extreme situation like the one you mentioned.
He said people, not cells.
No a fetus isn’t a person, any more than a pile of bricks and mortar are a house.
Ooo, can you show us some?
Because I’m really trying, but I keep finding crap like: “Perform random acts of kindness and senseless acts of beauty,” “Minds are like parachutes: they only work when open,” “Coexist,” and “It’ll be a wonderful day when schools can buy all the books they need and the military has to hold a bake sale.”
You know, scary psychopathic stuff!
I’ve always been fond of that last one. The rest are too hippy for me but I love the last one.
Yes, I realize how contradictary that is. No, I don’t care.
Make sure you display it next to the one that says: Do not buy anything from any bake sale that the air force may hold to buy a bomber, because those bombs will kill people.
Here’s a few stickers… Linkey.
A few leaning the other direction.
Linkey.
Plethora of Obama stickers.
Linkey.
ROFL! …”Cheney/Satan.”
Linkey.
Ouch.
Linkey.
“Destroy me.”
ROFL! Linkey.
Weird, all those leftie stickers, and in the lower right, one little anti-welfare sticker…
I thought the same thing. MPD, perhaps?
There are a couple of others:
War Sucks – But Freedom Is Worth It
and
If you can read this – Thank a Teacher – If you can read this in English – Thank a Veteran.
Those two aren’t usually on the lefty vehicles I see.
I’d have both of them on my car, Outback Jon, and I’m a leftie. ^^
“It will be a great day when all children go to private schools and the money wasted on public education goes to building bombers.”
{http://www.sodahead.com/question/49236/which-is-the-funniest-political-bumper-sticker/}
LOL
“Which part of Europe are you from-part whose a*s we kicked or the part whose a*s we saved?”
Okay, I’m to the right of those.
Lol. “I call this next one ’screw the poor’ ”
No excuse for “Why does Al Quaeda kill civilized people when they could kill Bush” though.
Why yes, I AM bored and don’t feel like intellectualizing today….
My favorite bumpersiticker was the one my husband put on his new pickup truck.. “Yes this is my truck….hell no I’m not helping you move.”
I kinda want “Ask me about my conspiracy theory!”
@Diss: That’s a winner too! I also like the obligatory “My juvenile delinquent beat the sh!t out of your honor student” stickers…
“My son was inmate of the month at the Shelton Correctional facility.”
@Diss: My staunch-conservative-bible-wielding-mother-in-law is fond of putting flags out on her front porch. I saw her new flag that she’s oh-so proud of… yep…you guessed it… rainbow flag with “equal” written in the middle… I hope no one tells her…
@mg: Fun, isn’t it?
@Diss: I halfway want to tell her, just to see her freak out and see what she says… but my husband won’t let me…
“Lost your cat? try looking under my tires.”
I liked the this one (because I see many layer of irony): “GOD was my copilot…but we crashed in the mountains and I had to eat him for food.”
And “the last time Jews listened to a Bush they wandered in the desert for 40 years” alwasy made me laugh a bit
How about “Imagine Whirled Peas” and “Imagine using your turn signal”. Both of them my favorites.
Oh, Eddie, I love those two!
I’m confused about “Don’t wait for 6 strong men to take you to Church” WTF is that all about? The only place I want 6 strong men to take me is the beach, and then they can stick around to serve me margaritas and fan me.
Pallbearers. I guess for a religious snark it’s kinda subtle.
Oh! I get it! Does this mean I don’t get my beach idea? *pouts*
Ah… I didn’t get it either…
Well, you could get six strong men to bury you/scatter your ashes on a beach…
(Ooh, story… Before my Great-Great-Auntie Norah died she asked for her ashes to be scattered in a certain rose garden and my Great-great-Uncle left the ash-scattering to a couple of his kids. Unfortunately, when they went to get permission from the park people they found out that ash-scattering was now banned. So they had to drive by the garden, wind down the window, and chuck the stuff out on their way past. Except, they didn’t get all of it and when they got home there was still some Auntie Norah in the urn… Oops. The leftovers went in the bin and my uncle got told a much nicer version of the story, lol…)
lol, too bad about your aunt not getting sprinkled where she wants, but funny story all the same.
i read not too long ago about this woman who had her ashes sent to scotland/ireland (can’t remember which now) via craigs list – the family put an ad for someone to get her ashes and sponkle them where she’d always wanted to take a vacation but never did. i rather like that idea of being at all the places in death that i never got to go to in life. a vial here, a vial there – who’d notice a tablespoon or so more dirt/dust/ashes in most places?
“read not too long ago about this woman who had her ashes sent to scotland/ireland (can’t remember which now) via craigs list ”
“Hey, look, I have some human ashes! Naw, they didn’t cost anything, this family in the USA sent them for free!”
don’t mock, or you’ll be getting a vial of me to sprinkle at powells book store and that huge woodworkers store
No time soon, I hope!
Yeah, I’ve always been fond of that one too. (Except I knew it with “jumble sales” but same difference)
We don’t have jumble sales here. Sounds like someone’s selling word puzzles. They’re yard sales, garage sales, or flea markets.
“Word Puzzles” lol… They get called Bric-a-Brac stalls too… We used to have one at the Church until the minister noticed that the same crap was turning up every year and just decided to have a cake sale instead…
“the same crap was turning up every year”
Lol. Everyone selling the same stuff back and forth. Kind of like the Eternal Fruitcake of Christmas Regifting.
MmMmMm Fruitcake….
I’ve only ever recycled a gift once (It was my sister’s and she didn’t like it and I’d left it too late to buy someone else’s gift) but I always reuse the gift bags they come in… I used to feel kind of guilty about it until I realised that absolutely everybody did it.
Reusing the gift bags is what those bags are made for–just consider it recycling!
we tend not to have bumper stickers about killing people.
I’ll tell everyone a secret… The thing is a JOKE! There are right wing nut jobs who go too far, just like there are left wing nut jobs who go too far. On one hand, I find the thing funny, but it does go a bit far. There are conservative gays out there… and liberals who don’t get in other people’s faces. The real people in this country are just trying to make a better life for themselves, and their family, not trying to ‘remake’ the country to suit their ideals. I am a conservative, but I don’t blindly follow…I try to study and discover what the truth is in each instance. I don’t ‘hate’ liberals, and I sure wouldn’t shoot one unless I or my family were truly threatened by one. But then again, I would do the same if we were being truly threatened by another conservative, too.
The fact that you would consider the political affiliation of an attacker is mildly troubling.
To me, an attacker is just some fool who couldn’t handle suicide so is asking me desperately to kill them horribly.
wow you just did not listen to what he said did you.
Considering that sopranoMOM is a she or least that name would imply, yes I did.
I read the whole thing and was troubled by the word use. I got the part where they would shoot conservative or liberal.
Hell, I am neither affiliation and I wondered how that wording was supposed to be implied considering the word use. Just seemed off to me. *shrugs*
She’s only saying that unlike what the picture seems to say, she would not shoot someone based on their political affiliation.
Actually, my point is that I would shoot ANYONE who directly, and immediately threatened me or my family. I mentioned left and right as a point that it doesn’t matter what their world view is. It’s not right or left that matters, it’s right or wrong. That’s all.
Right or wrong according to who? You?
I’m onboard with David and Sopranomom. 99 percent of the people in this country want what’s best for their family, community, state and country. The problem in this society is that the one percent who either swings far right or far left tends to make most of the noise, and in that one percent you’ll find most politicians with their own agenda, and a willing news media that supports and advocates that agenda – no matter how extreme that agenda – and relentlessly denigrates what they consider the opposing view. This dog and pony show is held up for public consumption and the rest of us are left to decide whats right, wrong, good or bad. In that one percent is also a small handful of wing nuts who take themselves and their prepackaged opinions too far. It’s all about maintaining an ” us and them ” mentality in this country.
Think for yourselves people. Quit waiting for your controllers to tell you what to think.
Oh, and a word on ” moderates “. Basically someone who can’t stand on his/her own agenda or beliefs, so they ride the fence and sway with popular opinion. I don’t think they belong in either party, as they certainly don’t represent the core values that they claim to hold.
I love the inherent irony of having this:
“Think for yourselves people. Quit waiting for your controllers to tell you what to think.”
right above this:
“Oh, and a word on ” moderates “. Basically someone who can’t stand on his/her own agenda or beliefs, so they ride the fence and sway with popular opinion. I don’t think they belong in either party, as they certainly don’t represent the core values that they claim to hold.”
WIN.
…
*headdesk* Nevermind, I am not going to fight that fight today.
DWN, I take exception to your characterization that liberals are trying to take your guns from you. Can you find any mainstream liberal movement to restrict gun ownership? Keep them out of schools, sure; make sure criminals and the insane can’t get them, obviously; appropriate rules about concealed carry, undeniably; but an effort to take them away? It’s simply not happening.
I know there’s a small minority out there trying for more, but they aren’t going to get any traction because too many liberals are hunters, and enjoy owning firearms.
Fine fine, then I will recant and say that the hippies REALLY piss me off.
*hides Jimi Hendrix shirt in bottom drawer beside the Jefferson Airplaine t-shirt*
Music is fine, it’s the damn people that grate on me.
*listens to some Hendrix*
There was a comedian who said “I quit smoking pot. It wasn’t that I was against it…I love pot. It was just the people you had to smoke with that pissed me off.”
LOL, precisely. I find that I agree with a mix of conservative and liberal ideas so I can’t feel comfortable siding fully with either side.
I have several conservative friends who have tried to sway me to their side…just as I have some friends who are much more liberal than me, who try to sway me to their side…I find there’s something to the “We can agree to disagree”- statement….I always try to take it one step further with them…”We can disagree WITHOUT being disagreeable”… I find that usually helps when they get into their “Mothergoose-tug-of-war” with me in the middle…
“Hello, ma’am. I’m working to clean up the neighborhood from parasites. Do you mind if I take a quick look around your house? I’m afraid you may have hippies.”
Ronald Reagan once said, “A hippie is someone who looks like Tarzan, walks like Jane, and smells like Cheetah”.
Yeah, they’ve been poppin’ up all over the neighborhood lately. Ms. Nelson next door had seven hippies in her basement; they usually live in colonies.
Ma’am, I need to clear out your giggling stoners and your drum-circle hippies RIGHT NOW, or soon they’re gonna attract something much worse! The college know-it-all hippies.
Yep, that’s what I thought. See that? You’ve got a drum circle in your backyard.
Oh, well they showed up a few days ago, but I didn’t think they were hurting anything.
Yeah. You know, I had a guy in Jackson county. He had a little drum circle in his backyard. It turned into a drum circle four miles in diameter. You get a few hippies playing drums and next thing you know, you got yourself a colony.
Story that’s going around is was very similar to Yazgur’s Farm. But the music wasn’t as good.. that’s what I heard anyway. They even had a name for it – Woodsoup.
Greatest single episode of Southpark. EVAR
But on the plus side, if you can find a true hippie party, they are the best of the best.
Well, you know. Except for the tofu lasagna, soy chai lattes, and patchouli.
I have nothing against soy chai latte – but this isn’t baseball, .333 doesn’t make the cut.
… but you’re not alone, ma’am: hippies simplex affects one out of five adolescents and adults.
I just don’t know warts come of this country.
Everyone seems to be looking for scabies-goats, rather than answers.
Look, brah, you just need to chill and feel the love. It’s all good! Be one with everything, man, be here now. Breath, yeah, feel all that bad karma draining out of your pores? You just need some organic herbal tea and some crystals. Feel better now? Cool! Let’s all have a drum circle.
*twitch*
No, I’m fine thanks.
But I like you
. (I am only a hippie in theory though- I love the ideas, but see that the reality would not be possible; and I have a great job that pays me lots (lot to me, I have small needs) of money to use my brain every day).
The law that was recently overturned in Washington DC took guns away from law-abiding citizens. That is all.
Washington DC is a little different from deer-country Texas… Just saying.
It doesn’t change the fact that an unconstitutional law took legal weapons out of the hands of law abiding citizens.
To be fair, the murder rate in DC was out of control. The politicians had to try SOMETHING to lower it.
They chose the wrong thing, of course. True political courage would have started with decriminalizing the drugs!
Is the murder being made mostly by legally owned guns or illegally owned guns?
Good question. The follow up, I believe, would be whether they were banning the possession of handguns or just the sale? Banning the sale seems pretty dumb, since DC is very small and gun stores abound within a couple hours drive. Well, even more dumb anyway. If it was possession, then you can arrest any gangbanger you pull over on a traffic violation as soon as you find the weapon.
Still not a good idea, imo.
I believe that the murder rate went down substantially coincidentally to the law being enacted….do not have a cite- anyone else? If the murder rate DID go down, then that is pretty compelling…
I believe it was just the opposite. The murder and mugging rate went up exponentially. I will try to find a cite when I get to work.
Ooh, the tension is just killing me!
At least it’s not the crazy with an illegal gun mugging you and killing you
I’d be surprised if the murder rate decreased, since it seems unlikely that the folks killing each other are going to say to themselves, “Wait, this gun I’m carrying is illegal. Better not shoot anyone with it.” That’s the problem with gun laws; the folks who are abiding by them are not the ones who use guns to kill people.
Oddly enough, criminals still break laws even when new laws are made… Imagine that…
“DWN, I take exception to your characterization that liberals are trying to take your guns from you.”
I am. But I’m borderline wingnut anyway, so don’t mind me.
Yes, the law is unconstitutional, but, and now I’m going to get yelled at, sometimes change is necessary. The fundamental ideas of the constitution are solid, obviously, but I think that in this day and age, the right to bear arms isn’t a safe policy. We need much stricter gun control laws. I think all guns should be given to me, of course, but that’s not realistic.
If Marriage of heterosexual couples, in the eyes of the govt were also simply civil unions, then I would agree- and marriage be kept to church, etc….but no one is saying that on Prop 8, etc….and how can it be legal for 18000 couples, but no more. If we can change the constitution of California to reduce civil rights, can we get rid of the 14th amendment and have slaves again? I just want to understand the issues really…..
You know, that might really help the economy bounce back, and reduce crime…
Dont think I could say it any better.
The problem with civil unions, Captain Wow, is they don’t provide the same rights.
Wait, you’re saying separate ISN’T equal!?!?!?
Just to be clear, since everybody seems to have their panties in a wad over my comment, my reference to moderates was more towards public officials. I’ll use a notable republican as an example – John McCain. Throughout his political career he has ” reached across the aisle ” more times than stand on his conservative platform – you know, that thing that got him elected. He was DC’s favorite republican. When he became the GOP candidate in last years election he started talking the conservative platform, and won the hearts of the GOP voter base when he named Sarah Palin as his running mate. But when he flew back to DC late in the campaign and signed on with the first bailout, he caved in on his stated principles and lost the election as a result. He’s one of the moderates I was referring to . He talks out of both sides of his mouth – whichever side suits him at the moment. Arlen Specter is another good example. He ” quit the GOP and joined the Democrat party” last month. Truth be known, he’s been a Democrat for years, but keeps getting elected as a Republican – but he’s in trouble back in his district – his constituents aren’t buying his line again, and so his only hope of being re-elected next year is to switch parties.
My gripe with so-called moderates isn’t with middle of the road voters. Most people fall somewhere in the middle of the spectrum, and believe what they believe, and vote their conscience.
My gripe is with saying one thing – representing yourself to have one set of values, for the sake of political expediency, and then doing something contrary to what got you elected.
Um, that isn’t being a moderate. That is being a waffler.
A moderate would tell you they are a moderate. What your gripe is with is a pretender. A moderate would stick to their values either way. McCain didn’t even stick to his “maverick” values so he wasn’t a moderate. Maverick McCain would have won.
Moderate and waffler? There’s a difference? OH ZING.
*punts you to the moon*
Should I make a “fly this boat to the moon somehow/i’m on a boat” joke or is that played out?
In before anyone defends the “joke”!
Dammit! Late AGAIN!!!
And still a dollar short.. I’d give you one of mine, but I’m doing my part to bail out Australia.
Why can’t I be invited to a lesbian lunch? I like lesbians, and I do lunch. . .
Do you like carpet? I hear that’s what they serve at lesbian lunches.
*barfs a bit in her mouth*
Thanks seth.
So you are saying you would serve something you yourself wouldn’t eat? How rude!
Oh yeah, and you seem like the consummate tube-steak gobbler, yourself…
I guess I never mentioned that I’m bi? Well, mostly hetero, I won’t initiate with guys, but if I like a guy and he wants to, sure, why not? It’s a bit of kinky fun for me, and it makes someone I like happy, so, yeah. I’ve tasted the forbidden salami.
I like you more all the time, you crazy leftie.
I pretty much feel the same way.
The salami? I am pretty sure they don’t serve that at the lesbian lunches. Perhaps fish, maybe snapper?
*head explodes*
Red Snapper, very tasty!
Nothing! Absolutely nothing!
Stupid! You’re so stupid!
*has a confused*
Now Seth that’s a stereotype, I’m sure many lesbians like it waxed/shaved. Shag carpeting is a delicacy amongst 70’s lesbians, I’ve heard.
The 80’s lesbians I went to college with didn’t shave anything at all. Even if it was an ankle that had to be taped every day for sports. This was in the days before there was pre-wrap to protect the skin…and hair roots.
so i should find the “IMPEACH BUSH FOR WAR CRIMES” bumper stickers not humorous?
Those aren’t humorous, they are serious. He’s a war criminal, he should be impeached. That’s not the same thing as saying everyone in his party should be shot.
and liberals wonder why people think they’re crazy…
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and seth, you can’t impeach someone who is no longer in office…
So everyone who bought those stickers should trade them in for ‘indict Bush for war crimes’ stickers? And seeing as how Bush authorized activities outside the Geneva Convention, the very same activities that we tried and executed Japanese soldiers and their commanders for after WWII, why shouldn’t he be tried? Precedent has been set.
seth, right now you sound like the screaming left. come up with proof or sit back down. the proof everyone claims to have is either hearsay or nonexistent…
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if you really think that prosecuting bush will ever happen you are quite delusional. but hey, more power to ya…
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just remember that it’s not only the far-right people that are completely wacko.
I know he’ll never be prosecuted, and of course I don’t have proof, but I believe he did and I think he should be investigated and if he has committed a crime, punished for it.
He authorized torture. He invaded a sovereign state without provocation or international support. Come on, the man is a lunatic, or he’s Cheney’s puppet.
Why do you think it is ridiculous to believe that Bush committed war crimes?
you don’t have proof of anything and you wonder why i find it ridiculous that you believe bush committed war crimes…
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i’m a rather rational kind of guy… no proof = no outlandish claims… otherwise you join the rest of the conspiracy nuts who think that the pentagon was hit by a rocket and the towers were taken down with timed explosives…
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as for the authorization of torture, the whole “advanced interrogation techniques” were authorized by the justice dept. if the checks and balances of the government failed that should be looked into… (like how pelosi swears she did not know about waterboarding or etc… that i sure don’t believe)
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as for the invasion of a foreign country, the congress and senate both passed the bill in support of invading iraq. according to the constitution that’s all the president needs. there is no clause for “international support”.
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and in response to the wmds in iraq: what do you think he bombed the kurds with???!?!?!
Osama gassed the Kurds with chemical weapons we sold him. Pelosi says the CIA told her that they were considering waterboarding, when they were actually doing it already. Everyone knows the CIA lies to congress, they have been caught dozens of times, why would this be nay different?
Justice Department is a part of the Executive Branch, so where are the checks and balances.
Did the House and Senate pass a bill authorizing us to go to war? I don’t think so.
Someone in the Executive Branch authorized torture, and they should be punished. I think it was Bush, who do you think it was?
so many fallacies i don’t know where to start…
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saddam, not osama… and no one said that we didn’t give some of the mustard gas to saddam… the fact that he used wmds against the kurds means that he had wmds…
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the cia has lied to congress therefore they always lie? that’s a pretty weak argument… and the fact that pelosi was told that the cia was considering waterboarding and did not do anything about it is just as bad as if they told her they already had done it!
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hilary clinton voted yes to go into iraq, obama voted no. remember the 2008 election?
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i could sit here and type responses till i’m blue in the face, but at the end of the day it’s not that you’re looking for justice in regards to bush, but rather revenge.
good luck with that.
Right, yeah, Saddam. Glad you remembered that. But those WMDs were taken away from him by the inspectors. We never found any when we went in the second time.
My point is, it is not ridiculous to think the CIA is lying. And Pelosi couldn’t have done anything, the damn reports were classified above top secret!
I don’t care about revenge, it is pointless and goes against my principles. I want justice. I want the world to know that NO ONE is above the law in MY country.
You can’t type any more responses because you have obviously run out of them, can’t refute a single point, and have given up.
hahaha… sure thing buddy… i have not refuted a single point… except that saddam did have wmds (even pelosi and kerry can be quoted for that one). the senate and congress did vote to go into iraq. did you know that clinton authorized the removal of saddam in 1998?
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your quote about “pelosi couldn’t have done anything” because the reports were top secret is the same drivel that she’s been saying since then… if our legislature is that helpless our country has a lot greater issues than i thought…
Saddam DID NOT have WMDs when we invaded. When did he gas the Kurds, hmm? What year was it?
And Pelosi could not have done anything, it seriously is that bad.
go back to the point about how the senate and congress didn’t vote to go into iraq. i’ve always liked that argument.
go back to lefty school. your arguments bore me.
Yes, “Arguments” tend to bore people who don’t understand them.
You miss Daddy Fester and want someone to give you a verbal spanking like he used to do, is that why you are being a dick? I’m not Fester, sorry.
*yawn*
sorry, thought you had something insightful to say, but nope. same ol’ crap. have fun.
Torture=war crime.
@Igloo, Yes, torture does equal a war crime, but if I can be brutally honest here, which would you rather prefer? Using harsher methods of what some call “interrogation” in order to find out and defend against impending attacks against this country, or just wait for another 9/11 type attack to happen? I don’t want to be a jerk about this, but that’s basically what’s gonna happen if we sit around and do nothing…the terrorists, or whoever our enemy is, will attack, and it’ll be Pearl Harbor, 9/11, all over again. Pick your disaster. I, personally, don’t like to see the unnecessary loss of American lives, if it can be prevented, by any means necessary.
We can’t criticize other countries for war crimes if we ourselves are doing it. We’re a permanent member on the security council and torturing should be below us. Besides, torture does not work. You say what they want you to.
There is proof. It’s coming together slowly, but it’s there. Read the Bybee and Yoo memos. They’re addressed to Alberto Gonzalez, White House counsel. And they all begin “YOU HAVE ASKED…”
The White House counsel asked DOJ to tell them they could short circuit the Geneva Convention and federal laws against torture. And the DOJ told Fredo, why yes, yes you can short circuit the Geneva Convention and federal laws against torture.
WHO, exactly, do you think gave Fredo the idea to ask?
When Gonzalez starts smelling the waft of communal latrines and prison sweat, he’ll tell us. I’ll have your Crow Florentine piping hot and waiting on that day.
PSST what part of the Geneva Convention did Bush “short circuit”? If you can find it I’ll agree with you, but bottom line the un-uniformed probably what you call “Freedom Fighters” do not fall under the Geneva Convention, even Obama has admitted that. Hell even the UN has. It’s the Liberals that want to see Cheney/ Bush hanging from a tree. Same thing the Christian right wanted for Clinton.
I think we could provide more reasonable proof that Bush committed war crimes than was ever provided for the existence of WMDs in Iraq
I think that sticker is pretty clever. Is the permit for hunting liberals? Or is the permit itself liberal?
As a pro-gun liberal, take your best shot. I shoot back!
As a side note, I especially like how “rallies” is spelled incorrectly.
That’s because book learnin is elitist.
Also, brown mustard, fancy-schmancy lettuce, and any dog that cannot be typed in two syllables or less.
Hey Sopranomom, we all know it’s a joke. The reason we’re angry is because it’s a horrifyingly tasteless joke. There are some things you shouldn’t joke about, and killing people just for being different is one of them.
also, I don’t buy your insistence that this is just the 1% of people who go too far. It seems to me like this supposed extremeist viewpoint is quite similar to the extreme viewpoints held by the leaders of the Republican party, as well as it’s self-proclaimed king Rush Limbaugh. If you can find us any examples of Liberals advocating the wholesale murder of Republicans, please show it to us. I for one would love to see it.
Well, we all laugh at some jokes in private that we wouldn’t tell in polite company. That’s just human nature. I never said it was a ‘good’ joke…just ‘a’ joke. And that is the type of viewpoint held by that extreem 1% is the point. That is why many conservatives are looked at that way. The same way the liberal extreem 1% who put out books about murdering Bush while he was president make the left look bad, too. It happens on both sides… each group has it’s nut jobs that do their best to ruin it for everyone else.
No no, you’re wrong. Nothing is so serious that you cannot joke about it; indeed, to joke about it removes any power it might otherwise have had over you. There is no physical or metaphysical law against thinking some particular concept is beyond the pale and still cracking funnies about it. This is especially true when said thing is happening to you.
For example, the idea of killing people for being different disgusts me, but I lol’d pretty hard at this picture.
And yeah, maybe it’s not 1%, but it’s always the minority who screws up the image of the group.
I guess this proves which party can’t take a harmless joke.
Don’t worry, for the sake of fairness, I wrote a counter joke.
Q: What did the granite say to the marble?
A: Aint it granite aint raining out today?
Q: What did the ceramic counter say to the wood counter?
A: I’d visit yer house, butcher block is rough and tile be in danger.
I guess this proves which parties have members who can’t take “jokes”
wut
I think the point Johnathan was making is don’t judge a whole party by some of it’s members
Harmless- I simply have to say historical knowledge fail.
What’s the fail?
Not harmless when pp actually act out in the manner described- and they do in this case. Words do have power- and these are full of hate and pp have acted out in that hateful manner—thus not harmless joke….maybe to certain p I disagree with it is a joke- but NOT harmless.
ahhh I gotcha now
Here’s my “harmless joke”
What did the Igloo McCoy say to the ellipses? “I’m going to come to your house and beat the f*** out of you”
HAHA HUMOR!
Why would I want to hunt liberals anyway? They’re not good eatin’, too skinny.
That actually made me chuckle. Thank you.
And all we eat is granola and rice crackers.
and tofu, or tempeh, can’t forget either of those. gotta get the protein and ability to poo.
Hate tofu, but this company out here sells “TLC: Tempeh, Lettuce, and Carrot” sandwiches that are just delicious. No lettuce, actually, they use sprouts, and the tempeh is spicy as heck. About the only hippie food I really like.
Well, and a lot of Indian food.
Oh, and if granola is hippie food, then I love that too.
thank you, it’s been a long time since someone said i was too skinny
LOL I was thinking the same thing. I don’t self-identify as a liberal (as posted above), but I get called one often enough
Now dingbat mentions it… all this sitting on my rear studying (or avoiding it) makes me feel fat… I think I’ll go and run around a bit…
*disengages self from PK*
Ah, if only that was a common side effect we’d rule the world.
Nah, this is one big fat liberal right here.
(And don’t forget Al Gore.)
don´t call them murderers, or they´ll kill you for it
I love that sticker! Liberals should stay in doors and silent.
Troll man in trollin’!
PLEASE don’t feed the trolls!
I am in general politicly stupid. So instead of instead of googling this question and getting a generic wikipedia version I would rather ask the PK readers of this definition. What makes a person a “Lefty” as aposed to a “Righty” is there a name for North or South? In the week or so since I started reading some of these comments it seems like a wise choice to ask this question here.
Look forward to the responses. Thanks!
Left is innovation, right is tradition, up is security, down is freedom.
What? Up is freedom (into the sky) and down is security (grounded).
While that makes sense, it is never the way I’ve seen it graphed. Google “political graph”
You got it backwards. According to the Nolan Scale down is statist and up is libertarian.
Click my name to take the world’s shortest political quiz. Pretty accurate as well
HEE HEE.
CENTRISTS espouse a “middle ground” regarding government control of the economy and personal behavior. Depending on the issue, they sometimes favor government intervention and sometimes support individual freedom of choice.
Centrists pride themselves on keeping an open mind,
tend to oppose “political extremes,” and emphasize what
they describe as “practical” solutions to problems.
OH NOES!!!!
Not that I’m surprised, but it came up with libertarian, leaning slightly right for me. It is indeed accurate.
Maybe more like: up-putting your guard up; down-letting your guard down.
I dunno……
O.M.F.G. This is HILARIOUS! Totally off-topic, but HILARIOUS!
Linkey.
Oh, man, what a PSYCHE!
Since the majority of citizens are actually moderates, and they tend to get the most done in the universe, and a balance is important since we all, by the ways our brains function tend to only agree with what we already agree with, I think that moderates are the votes that count the most. If they are as most polls show the majority of citizens- they should get to decide how there country runs. Also may I point out that telling someone they should not have the right to vote is highly treasonous to the basic premise that is America.
Wrong again.
The world isn’t run by moderates. It’s run by those who show up.
double wrong.
the world is actually run by me. i just show up here to see what people think is going on while i run the show from my mysterious palace deep underground with the other lizard-folk.
When all the world is metrosexual, the crab people shall finally reign supreme!!
Um wallFly, use some of your influence. I just got a hankering for crab people.
i’ll have my best people on it, stat
I’m loving all the SP refs today. FTW!
Ah yes, I plan to visit there again. Need a lift home? I’m all the about the Dragon discount in the restaraunts.
totally. can’t beat that dragon discount and i’m in the mood for some seafood.
Hot damn, let’s ride.
*hops in the BurnVillageMobile or BVM and revs the engine*
That is true- but (I am not moderate IMO), the polls say most pp see themselves that way- since they are the majority, they certainly should have a strong voice in selecting the votees—that was my point against the whole “don’t vote if you are not extreme” argument presented….that is all
No…not really. Just because our beliefs don’t fit in with one of…TWO, count ‘em TWO parties, doesn’t mean we can’t think for ourselves. I have political beliefs from both parties…do you really think a bipartisan system works? Christ.
Sweeeet! Where can I get one of those license?
I have one right here for you -_-
In an alternate reality called “McCain didn’t FAIL.”
I know right? I’ve never seen so many bitchy whiners in all my life. TAKE OFF THE MCCAIN BUMPER STICKERS ALREADY PEOPLE!
Someone can’t remember to the days after the 2004 election….
I’ve seen maybe one or two Kerry/Edwards stickers in the last several months. And even though I voted for Kerry, I was kinda like “Oh let it go. He wasn’t exactly a fantastic choice either.”
Somalia. Maybe you should go there.
Left wingers, of course, hold massive abortion parties.
Oh, I’m proud to be a moderate/where at least I know I’m free
And I won’t forget the men who died/who gave that right to me!
I’ve heard of abortion parties – fetus shaped cookies were served, and the painkillers flowed like water.
Oh, and fetus margaritas are served with salt distilled from Republican tears. Ah, good times.
Someone was serving BabyRitas and didn’t invite me? Damn…
Awww… You’re invited to my next abortion party – just a matter of getting knocked up again. *goes to work on that…*
I’d be delighted to help! *readies the ropes*
Part of the problem is that we’re free to be hypocritical. We’re free to go, free to stay, and free to shout-we’re just not free to push.
Shall I give everyone a flamethrower so we don’t have to argue in the comments section on a damn WEBSITE? We could just kill each other and get it overwith. The tension is so thick I have to cut it with scissors.
And not just those plastic Fiskar scissors. I’m talkin meat shears.
I’ve got some sheer meat here for ya’, baby…
*digs in drawer for meat shears….*
*digs in drawers for sheer meat*
Stop turning everything I say into a sexual advance! I’ll sic a crazed fundie on you!
Isn’t “sheer” another word for “Thin to the point of being see through?”
*grins*
Just wondering where I can pick up one of these licenses.
*sung to the tune of “Rawhide”*
Trollin’ trollin’ trollin’
See that troll come rollin’
With his head so swollen
To fight!
The only thing he’s needin’
Is someone else who’s feedin’
Feedin’ trolls with stupid replies…
Win.
Okay, you are hereby forgiven for, um, anything bad I may have ever thought about you…
Can’t think of anything right now…
Okay, maybe you get one “Get out of Ass-Whuppin’ Free” card!
And don’t think I won’t need it! Heh.
Well played, tovarisch.
You’re welcome, Comrade.
*golf clap!*
*doesn’t golf clap b/c it connotes conservatism*
Really?!?!
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Damn..
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uh, putt-putt clap!
*soccer clap*
*hockey rumble*
*football fumble*
I finger snap because it indicates liberalism. /smugness
Oh sure, be smug with your clickity-click..
Hehehe.
Ooh, snap…
It’s a JOKE, God lighten up. You people complaining are like the penultimate feminist:
Q: How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: That’s NOT FUNNY!
Most of the conservative-bashing takes place in all earnestness with real threats and a desire to cause real harm, not just joking around like this. The thing is funny and now I’m going to buy one when I can
Real life example: A girl went to a convention, was surrounded by the fattest people she’d ever seen in her life and some of the most bizarre panels one could imagine. She came home, wrote a snarky post, put up some pictures (with all the faces and identifying information blocked out), and some people thought it was very funny. Well, understandably, the people at the convention didn’t think so, so they started sending her death threats (no big deal – everyone gets those) and they immediately discussed how what she’d done was the same as rape, and they were going to hex her – all fair game. Except…they also called the dean of her school and tried to have her expelled, vandalized her office, and tried to have her fired. That’s where the left never seems to get the distinction – they admonished one another not to send death threats, but they fully supported one another in trying to get her fired and expelled.
Some things are fair game and are funny and are jokes, and other things are NOT. Any counterexample of right-bashing is bound not to be funny but to be of the second type. Look at the inequity in campus protests either left or right for countless examples.
Whut? How does second-to-last feminist fit into the joke?
Maybe she meant ultimate. (?)
One wonders.
I really do. I’m not sure what goes on in Anniee’s head. At all…
there’s a few cobwebs, several chipped marbles, a lot of dust, a couple old ideas, a dirth of intellectual curiosity, and an empty spot where compassion used to be
Oh, screw you, bf. Seriously. What a b*tchy comment that is. You don’t know me AT ALL. I have plenty of compassion – REAL life compassion for REAL people, not f*cking text on a screen.
Though it’s the height of irony that you missed that that was the entire POINT of the story I told, in your desire to make your stupid comment, you turd.
Well, I think you might be biased, in that you are likely to excuse people who are like you with, “He was only joking,” while the exact same thing from the other side would be taken deathly serious. Not that that’s weird, everyone does it. It’s easy to put yourself in the shoes of someone like yourself, and you wouldn’t do it, so OF COURSE they aren’t serious. But it’s harder to put yourself in the shoes of someone on the other side. They are already foreign and other, so its not hard to assume they might try to kill you.
By the way, I’ve told that joke to lesbians and feminists, and they thought it was hilarious. Here’s another one I like:
What’s the definition of a macho woman?
She rolls her own tampons, suck starts her Harley and kick starts her vibrator.
Sucks starts her Harley…
*blinks* Okay, I’m intriqued with the idea of being a motorcycle.
Humena-humena-humena
I was the one that made this picture (I go by scott on posts here, but signed up as PYLrulz for the pictures).
I am a equal oppoturnity basher, it’s just that with the way the Republicans/Right Wingers are lately, it’s almost too easy to bash them.
It’s a joke you morons. And left wingers wonder why people think they’re assholes.
Killin’ libruls is funny, duh huh huh.
I am still annoyed that only two people gave a damn about my counter joke. I thought Neocons had senses of humor?
If it was funny or remotely accurate, someone might have given a damn. Quit fishing for compliments, wuss.
If it is inaccurate, tell me how it is inaccurate, cretin. I can accept that perhaps neocons didn’t appreciate the Exact same humor focused back on them but if it is inaccurate, I want to be told where the inaccuracies lie.
I liked it
No need for you to wonder. You just put it right out there, don’tcha Jimmyjoebillyraybob? Fair warning: Unlike you gun-obsessed tiny-dicked pussies, I actually served. Come for me and you better wear kevlar.
It sounds like your all over the map. Are there any candidates you have supported that meet at least 50% of you believe in? I hope I don’t sound narky, but I would think finding anyone that would fit into what you believe would be tough.
I think you’re an independent. You should pay close attention to how the individual candidates rank certain issues. You’d do well someplace that doesn’t have a two party system, but in such a situation you may have to mentally rank which issues you feel are more important than others because you’ll frequently have to compromise on some things when you vote.
I will have to say I’m not an advocate of limiting gun ownership, however, the following nes story I just read might make rethink that:
Personally I think the parents should be held on charges of accessories to murder.
As a gun-toting Conservative, I agree with you.
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There should be something done in this case to the parents, but I’m inclined to think that the grief would be punishment enough. I’d love to know what possessed the adults to leave a loaded weapon where a kid could get to it. Our guns are safely stored where I or my husband can get them, but not the kiddo.
As a side note, I’m not agreeing with the limiting of gun ownership, but I am agreeing that the parents should be held liable in some way.
Here’s an interesting question, Froo: would you support a requirement that all weapons must be either secured separately from their ammunition, or equipped with a trigger lock?
This would also be a deterrent for the Kip Kinkels of the world who steal a relative’s firearms and go shoot up a high school.
And makes that Gun all the more useful when the robber is already in your house. Oh wait we have 911 for that. That way the Operator can hear you getting murdered. How about we hold the person who stole the fire arm accountable. You know key word there, STEAL!!!!! Maybe we should keep the car and gas separate too, that way a joy riding drunk driver can’t drive your car into people.
This is about as valid as the ticking time bomb torture scenario – looks great in movies, but the shit just don’t happen in real life. A loaded gun in the house is about 15 times more likely to be used against its owner than by h*.
Really? How about we run this experiment. Everyone who does not own a gun has to put a sign on their lawn stating the fact. Let’s see who’s houses are broken into more frequently. Let me guess a gun control advocacy web site gave you that statisitic. I’ll sign up for more gun control when the courts decide to uphold the current gun laws we currenlty have now.
For every person who talks about people having their own guns used on them, I see at least two more stories on average where a handgun has deterred a crime.
And out of curiosity, I want the cite where the handguns killing their owners comes from.
I don’t have that, but I have this:
{http://www.vpc.org/press/0905gundeath.htm}
Humor me. I am curious about your opinion of this link.
{http://www.iwf.org/news/show/18350.html}
I am curious of the veracity and I figured a person like yourself could find the proof against it.
I’m afraid I’m at work now and can’t give the full article my attention.
However, at the risk of broadbrushing a source, the IWF is a conservative organization that is also opposed to businesses being forced to give women equal hiring considerations and mandatory regulations giving women pregnancy leave, so I personally have some trouble crediting their commitment to women’s issues.
Their spokeswoman is a frequent guest on Thom Hartmann’s show, and she’s loony as they come. A real Michelle Malkin conservative.
Well that definitely helps as a starting point. Thank you. Right now, I am just having fun with google and enjoying our exchange.
Also, do you have the stats on how many of those deaths were made by illegally owned guns?
Here is something I found interesting.
{http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/guns.htm}
Check this part.
“Offenders
According to the 1997 Survey of State Prison Inmates, among those possessing a gun, the source of the gun was from -
a flea market or gun show for fewer than 2%
a retail store or pawnshop for about 12%
family, friends, a street buy, or an illegal source for 80%”
Makes me wonder if that is still true. However, I can’t find clear cut numbers ANYWHERE telling me if the guns were legally owned for most of the gun stats I get thrown at me.
{http://www.neahin.org/programs/schoolsafety/gunsafety/statistics.htm}
I am curious your thoughts on this site, especially the part about Guns in the Wrong Hands section.
You see, I am all for controlling guns to the point where idiots can’t just stumble into somebody and buy a gun. I perfectly realize they are dangerous. However, those who are responsible enough to get licenses for their weapons shouldn’t be denied access.
And yes, I realize that this is inconvenient but if you are going to own dangerous material, I believe you should be certified as competent to own it. Obviously I can hear the Big Brother whining slippery slope but these same people point out Switzerland as a country with high gun ownership rates.
Switzerland also has mandatory military service so all their gun owners are certified to use them. So buck up buttercup. If you want a gun, prove you aren’t an idiot.
exactly, yet it doesn’t control all the pieces of sh!t that can be bought without traces. i for one don’t like the idea of the gov’t knowing not only that i have guns, but which ones. yet i also don’t like the reality of being able to purchase a gun and walk out the door with rudimentary training on its use at best.
keeping ammo and gun seperate isn’t the solution, nor is a trigger lock, being responsible parents is the place to start. teaching your children they aren’t toys, not giving toy guns to your kids, discussing the reality of being shot, putting them through a gun safety course as soon as they are old enough, maintain proper care when guns are out, this is all part of being responsible parents and responsible gun owners.
good gun control = a tight pattern
You know who has a high incidence of owning weapons in their homes? Not just some wimpy little Glock, but full fledged automatic weapons?
Iraq.
Afghanistan.
Somalia.
Pakistan.
Makes them much safer, ya think?
Their government vs. our government.
Their turmoil vs. our turmoil…
Jeez, ya think there might be a difference? Smartass…
Oh and Switzerland.
I believe there’s a correlation between governmental control, extreme weapon ownership, and civil order. Also, sufficient taxation. After all, those rich folk are goin’ to spend that money *somewhere*; what are the odds they won’t pay some broke-ass misanthrope to take an easily accessible weapon and kill the class enemies of the Uber-Wealthy?
No, I would not support that. I would support education for storing guns, surely, and prosecution for improperly stored guns (within reason), but asking me to lock my gun or keep it unloaded is putting my family at risk if someone is in my home. That extra 2 minutes of fumbling with a lock and ammo would be the difference between life and death.
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As a side note, I keep a loaded (but not chambered) 12 gauge within easy access at all times. There is something truly scary about hearing a shell being shucked into a chamber in the dark. It will make you reevaluate your career choice as a criminal.
Mmm, gun toting angel image strikes again. Shotguns always held a certain charm for me. /tangent
You are right though, putting them into a vault defeats the point and the damn kids shouldn’t be raiding the gun cabinet anyway. Least not before the zombie drills.
Froo, just out of curiosity, have you ever had to chamber a round in fright?
Twice, when I was on maternity leave and my husband wasn’t home. I wasn’t used to staying home alone at night, and there are some pretty weird noises in an apartment complex when you’re not used to them! It was all redneck and everything, lol. I had the baby in the bassinet beside the bed I was in, the dog in bed next to me, and a .45 in my hand, locked and loaded and aimed at the closed bedroom door. It turned out to be nothing, but it happened again the next night and managed to scare me shitless. It was the water heater
I’m just wondering what the stats are for mistaken shootings? I would never want to take away someone’s gun, I just don’t see them as being a part of my life.
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I hope you and the husband have code words when entering your home. I would hate to think someone could accidently get shot.
First rule of having a gun in your hand: Know what you’re shooting at. I’d never pull the trigger without knowing first. I’d never have my finger on the trigger either unless I was ready to pull it. Also, the lights were on, so there would be no mistaken identity.
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You’d be surprised how many other types of accidents outweigh gun accidents. I love hearing statistics like that bandied about, because stupid things like being kicked to death by a horse happen more frequently than actual accidental shootings.
Slightly more people die every year from accidental discharge of a firearm than die from syphilis. Slightly more people die from hernias than die from firearm accidents. You are more likely to slip and fall in the shower than be shot accidentally. Google ’cause of death’ for some macabre statistics fun.
I am all for having training classes for everyone who wants to purchase a gun. You have to take driver’s ed in order to drive a car, why are we not at least asking people to learn how to safely discharge a weapon before handing them out? And in classes like that, savvy instructors can weed out some of the crazies before they get to the shootin’ part.
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In my hubby and my concealed carry class, the instructor gave us a list of things that happen more frequently than accidental death by shootings. Burning to death, car crashes, accidental drownings, falling off buildings, things like that. It was pretty cool to hear how the “gun deaths” stat is thrown around like candy, but you never hear of how many people die of auto-erotic asphyxiation every year.
And you would not believe how often breath play comes up in the BDSM discussion threads I lurk in. Ugh, just galls my survival instincts…
I’ve never understood it. Why would you take the chance? It’s like needing to get off while playing Russian Roulette.
I’m always astounded that people can think there is a safe way to Cut Off Oxygen or Blood Flow to the Brain…
A lot of people I know there who are active in the community know examples of people who did time for murder despite all precautions and lack of murderous intent. Simply put, if you are part of the cause of death, your ass gets nailed for it.
*shakes head*
As it should be. If you play with fire and are burned, then that was your dumb ass for striking the match. And if you burn your partner in the process, you deserve to pay for it for being a dumbass.
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Can you tell I’m in such a sweet mood today?
Still a gun toting angel to me, babe. *shrugs*
Can you say “autoerotic asphyxiation,” boys and girls?
“Auto-erotic as-ACK! GASP!! GAG!!!! *dies*”
And DWN, luvs you, babe
Woot! Luv!
“First rule of having a gun in your hand: Know what you’re shooting at.”
You state it very well. This is exactly why I prefer the Asp
{http://www.batondefense.com/}
as a defensive device. I can state from a combination of personal experience and personal morals:
1) Never grab a firearm unless you intend to kill.
2) Usually, by the time you know someone needs to be dead, it’s too late to draw a firearm.
3) I personally don’t mind taking out someone’s elbows, knees, neck, or throat, and then saying “oops. What were you doing scaring me?!?”
How about capital punishment for gun owners whose weapons are misappropriated to commit capital crimes?
I’m just looking for a liitle PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!!
It depends on if the guns were kept irresponsibly. You don’t hold the owner of a stolen car liable if his car is used in a robbery, right?
Car? No. The .45 in the glove compartment? Yes.
Hint: one is a weapon, the other is a vehicle. Check your Oxford’s English Dictionary if you are confused!
And yet, we prosecute for vehicular homicide for people intentionally running over others. You know, using the car as a weapon
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So you blame the victim of theft for what the perp does with the stolen item afterward?
And no, there isn’t a difference. Still a theft.
Conservatives trying to be funny… never a pretty sight.
Liberasl attempting to wittily generalize… even uglier.
*Liberals
As I was saying…
Strawman, much?
non sequitur ftw!
Why doesn’t it follow? I corrected a typo, and you insinuated I was attempting to be funny and failed. I was being completely serious.
Hence, strawman. FTL.
Personification of humorless conservative stereotype ftw!
Lay off the dope, dude. You appear smart enough, and it may not be too late.
ROFL! Not much to be added here…
I actually thought it was pretty funny. I guess its ok for liberals to make jokes about conservatives but can’t be the other way around. Goes to show how much of a loser liberals really are.
You Sir (Ma’am?), are a Liberal Republican.
I disagree with you a lot, but as long as you have intellectual integrity and extend respect to those who extend it to you, I welcome you to our little community.
And thank you for your service.
Thanks for the comments guys/gals and the kind words PM. I guess I am kinda scattered across the map. Eddie you are right, I have been hard pressed to find a canditate that fit my expectations. Jean, I hope this makes sense but it would be hard for me to mentally rank these issues seeing as they are all equally important to me.
I will figure it out someday! Thanks for the tips.
hey. can everyone, like, forget their chosen political party for just a sec and agree on SOMETHING for once. this is seriously effed up, man. Republican or Democrat, you have to admit it. i’m a liberal, i voted for obama, i don’t agree with what most republicans say or think but i’m not going to go around wishing death upon them for their beliefs. i don’t care if it’s a joke, you can’t just go around talking about shooting people because the disagree with you. it’s just ridiculous no matter how you look at it.
Gods yes, THIS.
Libertarian.
FINALLY! Does anyone know where I can get mine? Something must be done with this out of control population! Aww but seriously I dont see why I can’t live my life without some idiotic retard trying to tell me that I can’t have guns, drive my suv, or practice Christianity openly. I stay out of your immoral lives, stay out of mine. And I have news for all of you. Islam plans to take over the world. Think thats crazy? Read the Quran. NOT a modern translation, the real thing. It is a muslim’s duty to snuff out all that is not Islam. If you think you are a muslim and dont agree with that, then you should reread your written word. Not much point in claiming a religion if you dont follow it. Blah blah blah (sigh). This is just tiring, watching this country slide into the can. Senator Obama knows what he is doing too. Very unfortunate for all of us, liberals and conservatives alike. Don’t come ask for my guns, you will not get them.
“I stay out of your immoral lives, stay out of mine.”
So you admit that even as a xtian, you’re leading an immoral life?
And don’t you love how he says “Senator” Obama, like not saying “President” will make it not true.
Conspiracy theorists are so PRECIOUS!
*distilling more republican tears into BabyRita salt*
You do practice Christianity openly. When was the last time you were barred from Church? Or having a church?
“Not much point in claiming a religion if you dont follow it.”
I’m pretty sure Christianity frowns on hunting down and shooting other people. Maybe YOU should try reading YOUR written word. And not just a picture book. The real thing.
Why don’t you go bear hunting or something? We need natural selection to take its course with people like you. Even as a fellow Christian I can say your moral compass is totally screwed up. Go read a few proverbs and shut the hell up with your bigoted nonsense.
So no one has a right to be a jack ass?
Click my name for a political quiz
Damn. I really, really want one.
Every goddamned commie democrap on the planet could drop stone dead and nothing of value would be lost.
Feeding the trolls can be hazardous to your sanity. Move along, nothing to see here.
you know what ive got to say this is a joke but people get so snotty about a joke. Why can’t ppl just deal with it both sides?! The liberals have put on about as much hate as the conservatives. If people still want to be difficult then go ahead but for me I will continue to point and laugh at both sides seeing as how both are to blame for our countries crap. Thank you and have a nice day.
You’ve a good heart. I like you. Welcome to PK.
The permit is obviously a joke. Way to fail.
Yep.
A crazy joke…
And sure enough an American has just been murdered in a terrorist assassination by redneck Christian extremists.
I like how you added that little “redneck” in there, you filth. Like we have all the info yet. The only people I see celebrating this are the left – they’re going to be making political hay out of it for decades (it’s been a decade since there was an attack of this type, but the left still talks about it like it happens every day, the way suicide bombings do.) So make your hay – but you’re just a bunch of political opportunists using a dead man to prop up your cause, and it shows. Not that I give a d*mn about a filthy murderer like Tiller, but neither do I care for any other murderer.
You haven’t been paying attention, the right wing Christian loons are celebrating. Nobody on the left is celebrating, a man died. And it hasn’t been a decade, it’s been about five years. Let me ask, do you think murderers should have trials? When the criminal who murdered Tiller is put behind bars, will you celebrate because justice has been done?
Tiller is not a murderer, according to our country’s laws, only in the view of a very small minority of Christian Jihadists. Do you support this Fundamentalist Christian Jihad?
No, Seth, they have not been celebrating; they have universally condemned it, not that they give a damn about Tiller himself. The conservatives have not been celebrating; the left has merely CLAIMED they have been celebrating and making hay out of it. This one isn’t going to fly. You people are the ones happy about it because you feel it scores you some kind of points. It doesn’t.
By the way, I refer you to 22 Weeks the movie (www dot 22weeksthemovie dot com) – have you heard about that? It’s a true story about a girl who went for an abortion at 22 weeks, who ended up delivering the baby in the bathroom. When she saw the baby’s struggles, she lost it and begged them to call 911 to save the baby. They instead locked her in the bathroom, refusing to call 911 while she screamed and begged and pounded on the door. Her friend, hearing, called 911 and the clinic TURNED AWAY the ambulance. When the baby finally died, they let her out and called rescue services…to put her in a mental evaluation. 22 Weeks is her story, based on 911 calls and eyewitness testimony.
Not being sorry a man is dead is NOT celebrating or condoning murder. Sorry, it’s a different thing no matter how you want to look at it. You score no points on this one.
Wrong.
Suspect Is Identified in Killing of Abortion Doctor
WICHITA, Kan. — The suspect in the fatal shooting of one of the nation’s only doctors to perform late-term abortions had professed an anti-government, anti-abortion philosophy in years past, some who knew him said on Monday.
Scott Roeder, 51, of Merriam, Kan., whom authorities have described as a suspect in Sunday’s fatal shooting here of George Tiller, the doctor who had been a focal point for abortion opponents for decades, was once a subscriber and occasional contributor to a newsletter, Prayer and Action News, said to Dave Leach, an anti-abortion activist from Des Moines who runs the newsletter. Mr. Leach said he and Mr. Roeder had met once, and Mr. Roeder had described similar views to his own. Of Dr. Tiller’s death, Mr. Leach said, “To call this a crime is too simplistic,” adding, “There is Christian scripture that would support this.”
Randall Terry of Operation Rescue said:
“George Tiller was a mass murderer and we cannot stop saying that,” Terry said. “He was an evil man — his hands were covered with blood.”
Terry said he was now concerned that the Obama administration “will use Tiller’s killing to intimidate pro-lifers into surrendering our most effective rhetoric and actions.”
Radio Host Hal Turner said:
So how is it that I get named as one of the people who created an atmosphere which allowed this killing to take place? Easy: I oppose abortion and say so publicly, therefore, I am to blame. That’s the child-like thinking of folks at the DailyKos.
It never occurs to these imbeciles that guys like Tiller seal their own fate by murdering innocent, helpless babies. No. That couldn’t possibly be the case.
To the radical left, anyone who merely speaks in opposition to abortion is to blame for killings like today’s, but guys like Tiller, plying their evil trade are, to the DailyKos, innocent. Are you starting to see how deranged and severely mentally-ill the radical left truly is? They are clearly a danger to themselves and to others. They ought to be put in a lunatic asylum.
If the DailyKos were logical, they would look at today’s killing and ask themselves the following:
Why didn’t Dr. Tiller take the hint? In 1985, his clinic was bombed; yet he persisted. In 1993, he was shot in both arms. Still, he returned to perform abortions.”
And Right wing pundits like Bill O’Reilly have been waging Jihad against Tiller for years, so I think you are very much mistaken.
Um, they did say Christian extremists…
They’re not going off on one about how “Mainstream Christianity is a blight on the Earth” so I don’t see your problem with that…
And isn’t “redneck” just a term used to describe “that sort” of mad, far right-wing American?
And left wingers wonder why no one thinks they have a sense of humor.
Yep indeed.
Tell that to the doctor who was just gunned down in church. Oh wait, you can’t, he’s dead at the hands of a right wing whackaloon. Maybe you could offer this bit of wisdom up to his grieving family, I’m sure they would see the humor in such a permit.
And the political hay-making begins. You guys seem to be happier about this (understandably so) than any pro-life advocate could ever hope to be. After all, it gives you political capitol to bash conservatives for years, as nonsensical as that is.
Wow, way to implicate a political belief system in the crime, not the fact that the guy was JUST FU(KING CRAZY!! Following your logic, I can assume that Any Democrat/Republican that commits a crime does so because of their political affiliation, right? I realize that is extreme, but the point is that adding in the whole point of him being conservative is a terrible waste of text, because neither party is filled with these crazies that opponents seem to think they are.
Don’t shoot the messenger. I’m not happy about this, a human being died. I’m just pointing out, the Christian Jihadists are dangerous, and deserve to be on the domestic terrorist watchlist, because that is what they are.
I would rather that this upstanding citizen had not been bombed, shot, then executed in church. I’m sure you feel the same way.
There have been a dozen or so such killings since 1977, and none have happened in over a decade. There have been 13THOUSAND Islamist jihad attacks in the same time frame and you’re worried about the Christians? One wacko who we don’t even KNOW yet was claiming to be Christian, one attack in over 10 years, and you’re worried about them. I never hear you claim how dangerous the jihadis are, never. Unless I missed it; you might want to get on that because you’ve got 13 thousand more such warnings to offer before you’re caught up to this ONE incident. Get busy.
Google ‘anti-abortion violence,’ and you will see you are sadly incorrect. Terrorism is terrorism, however big or small, frequent or infrequent. Christian terrorist jihadists kill people. The Christian Jihadists are no different than Islamic suicide bombers.
Yes they are. They are not supported, they are condemned by the church at large, unlike Islamofascists. And enough of the crocodile tears (by the way I’ve already read those quotes above and most are out of context) – if you voted for Obama you voted knowingly for a man who, in his FEW non-”present” votes, actually voted against providing medical care to babies dying on the floor, so I don’t buy the sanctity of life from any of you on this one. It’s political points for you, no more, no less.
Muslim community here is very keen to condemn Jihadis…
Too bad no Muslim countries are.
Too bad no Christian countries are condemning Tiller’s killer…
It’s been universally condemned and the man is in custody, fool. Now stop while you’re behind, you sound like a complete moron.
Any cites for the condemnation or will you regale us with blog citations?
Get real, DWN. Even Operation Rescue condemned it as vigilantism. If you can’t make distinctions, you really shouldn’t open your yap. http colon //kriswager.blogspot.com/2009/05/words-have-consequences.html
If you’re incapable of following links: http colon //www dot operationrescue.org/archives/operation-rescue-denounces-the-killing-of-abortionist-tiller/
OR denouncing the act of vigilantism. C’est la vie.
So blog citations it is. Also, saying the guy had it coming is a half assed condemnation at best.
I gave actual quotes from Christians supporting this lunatic, maybe you could provide some quotes from Christians condemning him?
You have provided nothing showing Christian support for him. He has been universally condemned (including by Randall Terry) – but the anti-abortion people are not wavering in their assertion that Tiller was, in fact, what he was. A killer. I am reading the same quotes you are and seeing overt condemnation of the act – are you freaking kidding me? Where is this support you speak of? It isn’t. there. Even the Rottweiler condemned the act – they just aren’t waffling on their position on the “good” Dr. He was what he was. The act was vigilantism and is a crime, which is being prosecuted, and NO ONE has said it shouldn’t be – everyone says it SHOULD be. So…I have no idea what you’re talking about. You guys seem to have a mathematically inverse ratio to the truth; it’s utterly bizarre. Only the left can read a statement of condemnation and get “celebration” and “support” out of it, seriously. The guy who did it is going to fry, I wish I could say the same about the guy who murdered that serviceman in Arkansas – except since that doesn’t matter, we won’t be hearing about his extreme anti-war leftism.
You know nothing about the recruiter’s killer. We know all about Tiller’s murderer, he has a criminal history, has been caught with bomb parts, has ties to Operation Rescue, and has posted his position on message boards.
When you dehumanize someone, when you encourage others to see them as less than human, you are encouraging others to treat them as less than human. The Christian right has been dehumanizing Tiller for years. He has been attacked and had his clinic bombed before. Christian right wingers say, “Oh, we’re sorry he died, BUT he should have gotten the message, it’s his own fault.”
That’s talking out of both sides of your mouth. You can claim to be against this cold blooded murder, but still say wink wink, nudge nudge, he deserved it.
Nope, I just don’t care that he’s dead. It doesn’t mean the guy shouldn’t fry for killing him; murder doesn’t depend on who I care about, now, does it? If it did, we’d all be just free to go around killing people we didn’t like, and that’s kind of the point of having laws against it, now, wouldn’t you say?
I won’t shed any crocodile tears, and I will say karma is a virgin (b*tches are easy) but of course, fry the killer. He’ll have to face God just like Tiller will.
Now seriously, Seth, if you respond to me here I’m not going to see it; so save it for next time, eh? You’ll be using this one for decades anyway, no need to blow your whole wad NOW.
Really? I thought the US wasn’t a Christian country due to the “separation of church and state” stuff…
And if you can’t be a Christian and left-wing at the same time, and left-wingers are oppressing you conservatives… Nope, US isna Christian….
Yeah, I know, so what in the hell are you asking me to provide here, AC? You aren’t making ANY sense.
Neither are you.
1. I said the muslim community condemned Jihadis.
2. You expressed regret that no muslim countries condemned them.
3. I expressed regret that no Christian countries condemned Roeder.
4. You countered by saying that the US condemned him.
5. It emerges that the US is not a Christian country -a fact you agree with.
So. EITHER there are no Christian countries condemning, meaning that Christian fascists are just as free as Muslim ones, OR it is enough for PEOPLE to condemn, implying that Islamic and Christian terrorists are just the same. (Since both are condemned.)
“Truly you have a dizzying intellect”
“Just wait til she gets going, now where was she?”
Be careful, she’s already fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
What is it that you’re quoting?
The greatest movie ever, “The Princess Bride”
Oh aye… Good film, I just didn’t recognise the quotes… I don’t know why some of them are so well-known, though. I mean the whole “that word doesn’t mean what you think it means”… Why is that famous?
I suppose it may just be that I don’t know the film that well, having seen it only once…
If (and I think you are) you are capable of making distinctions, here is a link with everything I would say -in fact I refuse to blog about this; only to say “What he said.” The comment from gonzman also has my full stamp of approval. They all do, actually. http colon //nicedoggie.net/index.php/archives/1684/comment-page-1#comment-14657
Look how you’re already using it to shut down conversation and say we can’t even make jokes because zomg someone might do something crazy! Well, no dice. We’re not giving up freedom of speech because one guy took vengeance into his own hands instead of leaving it to God. We’re not going to stop making jokes or laughing or shut down our speech because one man did something wrong. Sorry, it doesn’t work that way so stop using it to try to shut us up.
Nobody is trying to shut you up, but it sure sounds like you want us to stop calling you all out for your beliefs. You want to stop our free speech, don’t you? If you didn’t you would support our right to call you an idiot, even if you didn’t agree with us. But no, you use the guise of free speech to try to restrict our free speech, and you don’t even see the hypocrisy.
Everything you ‘would’ say? That’s YOU. Same name, same icon. Refuse to blog about it? Uh huh.
Seth, I’m not sure what you’re talking about – that is NOT my blog. That is the Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler, and I merely COMMENTED that “What he said.” I refused to blog about it except to say “What he said” and “What he said.” So…what are you saying?
Also of course people have the right to call me an idiot. It speaks volumes of them
You should read the other entry there on the gun oil containing pig fat – it’s really funny 
Personally, I wouldn’t call you an idiot. In some ways, I wish you were, you’d be less dangerous
Yeah, I see that was you linking to another blog now, but you should have linked straight to that blog instead of to your comment linking to that blog.
I’ve never harmed anyone in my life, never been in jail, nor committed any crimes against anyone. So you’re not going to call me dangerous.
However, my desire WAS to link to the Rottweiler; my blog only links back THERE anyway. What HE said is what I think. Also what gonzman said. So…I’m not sure where the wires are getting crossed here, but it’s the Rottweiler I wished to direct you to. He’s already said what I feel and anytime anyone mentions it I’m just linking there or to Gonz’s post. They’ve said it perfectly.
Dangerous was a compliment, you know, like the saying “If she had half a brain she’d be dangerous” is an insult. Get it?
Wires were crossed because you directed me to YOUR post on rottweiler.
Seriously, before I unsubscribe to this thread, let me make it clear I only COMMENTED on that post – I was specifically directing you to the actual POST, which is not mine. It was merely what I would say if I were going to say it all. So was Gonzman’s comment. So…I’m not sure what happened here, but I don’t blog at the Rott. I only comment. Please refer to the original post for my full stance on the matter. The actions of one vigilante (possibly 17 in 35 years) do not tar the entire pro-life contingent. Hell, I’m not even anti-abortion – I’m pragmatic on that score, like Gonzman said. As a legal matter, I don’t see prohibiting it. As a moral matter, I know what it is. Third-trimester electives? Yeah, I see that as a black and white, sorry.
Anger is dangerous…
Linkie to a left-wing anti-war extremist who just murdered a military recruiter in Arkansas. Those anti-war extremist jihadis are dangerous. Too bad this poor young man won’t be mourned and screamed about or used to shut down leftists like the “good” Dr. Tiller’s death will be used against the right.
http colon //news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090601/ap_on_re_us/us_recruiters_shot
Nothing is known about the politics or views of the assailant in this case, nice try though.
Nothing is known yet about Roeder, either. Nice try, though. And are you saying it was NOT an anti-war extremist? Who else would do it? Obviously not a Christian Jihadist; they only kill abortion doctors and Muslims.
Yes, a lot is known about Roeder. He’s a known Christian Jihadist who’s been on the FBI watchlist for years.
As for the recruiter’s killer, could be a jealous husband, a jilted lover, a mugging gone wrong, a random act of violence, a case of mistaken identity, or just about anything. We don’t know.
We know why Roeder killed this doctor, IN CHURCH no less.
Yeah I find it all kinds of creepy that a mass murderer of the innocent was in church of a Sunday. I knew there was a reason I don’t go to American churches.
Obviously, most Christians in the world feel very, very differently on the issue than you do.
Some, not most. Only the most hardened of people could feel that way, and most Christians are not so hardened to the atrocities some people among them commit. Especially 65,000 abortions, most of them late term. There are very few churches or Christians who would want someone continuing to do such things among them unless they repented of their murder.
Well, that isn’t exactly fair. We don’t know if Roeder was a mass murderer or not. We just know that his victim was a man who did late term abortions when absolutely necessary to preserve the life of the woman. Every abortion of that state HAS to be documented with valid reasoning per the State mandates.
So perhaps you know something about Roeder that we don’t… And that actually kinda scares me.
But, Seth, really, I’m done with this topic on this thread- I knew it would be brought here, and I’ve said what I have to say. You acted as any leftist is acting today and I’m not surprised, but neither do I buy it. Ok? For reasons already stated.
Okay, I understand this must be an uncomfortable topic for you, and I applaud your bravery in even commenting on it.
To true, annie.
Honestly, though, I can’t say I’m to sorry
for “Tiller, Tiller the Baby Killer.” But, you’re right, he will be used against us.
Keep fighting the good fight!
Link for Seth.
Complete tangent:
I see that you’re back to “Anniee451,” with two “e”s. Is that how you spell your name? (I don’t know anyone else who does it that way) Is it pronounced differently? Or did you just need a random character to make sure that your name wasn’t a duplicate of someone else’s?
I’ve been wondering…
Hey look everyone, when you treat anniee nicely and refrain from taking the bait when she gets angry, she’s nice. And she posts links backing up her claims.
Maybe some people are only trolls because we keep calling them trolls?
Gah! Link for seth.
Certainly the violence has dropped from a high of 25 incidents of ‘extreme violence’ in 1998, but it should be noted, that’s not from lack of trying. The anti-abortionists seem to have gotten more inept. And there has been an upturn in bombings and arson attacks since 2006. Arson and bombings are terrorist attacks too.
The fact is, we don’t know the causes or perps on those arson attacks, which are also conducted by business owners. You see, Seth, my claim was that there haven’t been one of these killings since the late 90s, and that was true. MSNBC stopped updating their clinic violence site in the late 90s when it stopped being a real problem. Scott Roeder has a history of mental illness. All major pro-life advocacy groups condemn this sort of vigilante activity, and this one in particular. The man is in custody and will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. It’s just not adding up to the points you want to score off it. Sorry.
‘Nother link for Seth and DWN. National Right to Life Committee. Also, they’re dam*ed if they do and dam*ed if they don’t – Pandagon has just stated that there is something wrong with a movement that has to state flat out that they are against vigilante murders. Well, um, yes of COURSE they have to, because they keep getting BLAMED for the vigilante murder – by Pandagon, certainly but also by everyone else. There are two of the largest pro-life movements who have specifically and uncategorically condemned the shooting; but it goes without saying. No groups support this. No one is celebrating except a few lone loonies. Not being sad is not the same as celebrating and it is not condoning. (I really did unsubscribe from this thread; I’m linking to it from the DIGG thing on the bottom of the main page as I find stuff, and you two asked for clarification on a specific point, which I believe I have made now.
“The Muslim nations condemn these actions… But America had it coming.”
“We men condemn this rape… But the b!tch had it coming wearing that dress.”
“We condemn this murder… But the doctor had it coming and should have gotten the hint after he was shot, place blown up… etc etc…”
The sad thing is that IS the thinking of the group that Roeder was a part of. They are condemning it but then making damn sure to justify it. That is my big problem with it.
Abortions of that stage are made to save a woman’s LIFE. As in, the woman would die… Cease to be. Expire. Become worm food. I know these groups get their hardons for unborn children but I happen to consider the lives of those here more important than those unborn. I’ll respect pro-lifers when they spend most of their time helping kids out of orphanages.
The doctor lived under guard just to have a normal life for being the one of the few with the Balls to do what was needed for a large number of women, only to get killed by some jackass with a superiority complex instilled by a group with an even bigger superiority complex, pandering a position of holiness and saying the guy had it coming.
I’m glad that a couple groups are condemning, that’s lovely. I still don’t see any condemnation from the group the guy came from. I see a “That sucks and shouldn’t have happened…” followed Immediately by “He had it coming and should have taken a hint when the previous crimes were being perpetrated…”
Please…
“Reverend Pat Mahoney of the Christian Defense Coalition. He said, ‘It’s tragic. The probability is that someone who opposed abortion did this. The reason we are pro-life is because we hate violence on any level, I don’t know of one legitimate pro-life leader who would not unequivocally condemn this.’ Now, of course, you owned and operated-” Link.
Another corner heard from. Of course the clinic owner claims he’s lying, but that’s beside the point.
Sourced and on topic, without any rancor. Score 1 for Anniee!
Seriously though, if you use language you know is going to incite teh crazees to violence, if you dehumanize your opponents, if you hint towards violence and imply that justice will be served no other way, you are partly responsible for the violence teh crazees inflict. This goes for anyone in any situation, not just the one under discussion.
Oh, and Seth: local news has just reported on the Arkansas murder of the Military recruiter. It’s…a Muslim.
” Abdul Hakim Mujahid Muhammad, 24, of Little Rock. (who) also goes by the name Carlos Bledsoe.
According to reports, he had “political and religious motives”.”
No links available yet, but I will update. What’d I tell you?
Wow. Do keep us updated, will you? Now, if it turns out this guy is kind of Muslim Jihadist, that means he’s not ‘left wing,’ as you claimed before, right? Can’t blame the anti-war activists for this one if that’s the case.
I did post the link, Seth – did it get eaten??? Gah. I’ll post it again. I GUESS that’s not exactly the same as anti-war – it’s anti-American war – isn’t that pretty much the same side either way? One group is against American war in Arab countries and so is the other. I dunno; I guess there’s a distinction but I don’t know how significant it is, since decrying one is tantamount to supporting the other IMO. Yes, IMO (OOOOO! OPINION, yes.)
I thought it was two military recruiters. I only heard it in passing on NPR before they went to another story and don’t know much about it yet, sadly.
So, yet another right wing religious conservative extremist and not a secular liberal then. Thanks for clearing that up.
Oh, link for Seth – http colon //www dot katv.com/news/stories/0609/627959 dot html
BAHAHA!
at least right-wingers have the COMMON SENSE to discern between a joke and something intended to be serious.
Man, that’s just funny.
I saw one of these in a gun shop a black away from my house in Louisiana. Welcome to Dittoheadland, leave your intelligence and sanity at the door.
Blah Blah Blah
You all DO realize that this sticker comes in the other “flavor” too, right? I have seen the Conservative Hunting Permit hanging right along side these before. Just depends where you are.
How is this any different than hanging an effigy of Palin by a noose? All you whiny liberals seemed to be ok with that.
Who’s whining now, smart guy?
Well, I’m glad we can all agree to judge the political views of roughly half of a country with a population of 300 million people based on a bumper sticker that less than 1% of said population would find in good taste…
Demographic FAIL
It’s called a joke…
Its called a joke.
Oh, I forgot. Liberals, humor, no connection.
I don’t know if that was @ me, but for the record, my comment was aimed at anyone who took this seriously and said something along the lines of “typical republicans, using violence blah, blah, blah…” I agree that it is a joke and it should only be taken as such. Sorry for the confusion
hhmmmm…. *looks at card* Not the Lesbian Luncheon!!!! Oh, wait, this card is is enscribed with a large amount of intolerant, which I will have to confiscate *snatches and runs laughing all the way back to coven*
OMG EPIC, great work who ever made this, look at all the people who get mad over it xD, they really need to get off the computer and get a life,(Im addicted to video games so i can get a life atm)
wow that is an epic win x3 and all these people so mad over it xD stop being so touchy and get a life! (and a sense of humor)
Nothing is known about Roeder? Wrong. He’s an anti-abortion nut with ties to Operation Rescue, who’s made anti-abortion internet postings on their message board, including ones which mentioned Tiller by name, and he has previous for gathering materials to build bombs, which led to an arrest in 1996. He’s exactly the kind of home-grown right-wing terrorist extremist which was mentioned in that report a few months back. You know the one you guys got all upset and politically correct about because it was unfair scaremongering? Well now one of them has murdered an American on US soil can we take them seriously? Or should we just brush it under the carpet? Maybe we could waterboard his associates in the “pro-life” movement to see if they know of any other plans to commit murderous acts of terrorism against Americans?
… he has previous (accidentally)….
Huh?
I believe the word is “priors,” my dear Ceefax.
@ Ceefax
Crap. Nothing seems to be nesting. Apologies, all.
@DWN – Over here we say someone has “previous”, I wasn’t aware that isn’t a phrase used in the US.
No worries, just helping where I can.