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Blasphemy
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Where’s the blasphemy? I didn’t know the Force was an actual religion…
The Force is not a religion, but “the ways of The Force” are. To quote Han Solo:
“Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a blaster at your side, kid.”
I believe “Jedi” is a certified religion in the UK. I remember reading a story recently that in a poll of Scotland’s police, two of them claimed to be Jedi.
Are you serious? What story?
*wanders off laughing* (at the idea, not at you)
This was in Iceland, right?
Darth Vader is awesome.
(I’m not going to say it!)
Darth Vader WAS awesome, until the prequels came out, and we all saw what a whiny little emo kid he actually was.
well.. anakin was whiny, vader was awesome
Yeah he just needed to lose some body parts, his wife and his kids.
Yes yes I know his kids lived but really. He did “lose” them.
Ugh, I don’t even want to think about how crappy the original trilogy would have been if Vader hadn’t been horribly disfigured and cyborged. I can’t imagine Hayden Christiansen striking fear into the heart of the Rebellion.
Having seen some of the “Clone Wars” series, I can’t believe Lucas didn’t get that they were the movies he should have made.
Same with the new Terminator movie. I don’t know whether or not it will suck, but the battle between humans and machines is the obvious follow up to the first movie; not a pair of piss poor car chase movies completely lacking in suspense, drama, character developement, or plot.
My son is obsessed with that Clone Wars cartoon. The CGI Anakin is a better actor than the movie Anakin. Character is more likeable too. Obi-Wan is a pansy ass though, I don’t like that. LOL
Disagree. Terminator 2 was the best of all the Terminator series.
Isn’t it Heresy instead of Blasphemy? It’s making fun of the religion, not the God.
Its neither. Blasphemy means using the name of God in an inappropriate way, while heresy means a change to the religion that the mainstream of that religion finds objectionable. Like saying, “Jesus’ human and divine parts were entirely separate.”
I always thought heresy meant simply “against god”, but I guess that’s broad enough to mean “Against the Orthodox people’s view of God and his God-stuff”.
Maybe it’s something about being blasphemous for the Jedi. Do not join the dark side…or a church…that’s bad too.
Actually I think it would be sacrilege.
sacrilege: the violation or profanation of anything sacred or held sacred. (Like Associating a position in the church with Vader.)
THAT’S it…thanks. It’s only making fun of the church, so it sacrilege.
I love the big grin on that one robed guy’s face. He totally sees Vader there and thinks he’s the shit.
Looks like there are at least two people in the photo with a better sense of humor then whoever made this caption.
Seriously now, I think we’ve had enough captions on these photos. Yes, whoever did this is awesome, but they’ve had their time in the light. It’s time to move on.
^ This.
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It’s funneh b/c it’s true!
Well played, Wholesome. Well played.
Okay, please don’t hate me too much.
“Mancow” Muller, a conservative radio host out of Chicago, wanted to prove to his listeners that waterboarding isn’t torture, so he brought a marine to his show to administer a waterboarding.
I’m not going to say much more, except that I’m impressed with the results. Mr. Muller deserves credit for honesty in this clip.
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That’s really interesting. I have to admit that I’ve had similar thoughts to what he expressed (“how bad can it be to have water poured on your face?”) aaand….pretty awful, apparently. Huh.
I wouldn’t want it done to me, that’s for sure.
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Out of curiosity, what would he say after the second or third time he had it done? Would it make it easier to take, or harder?
Good question. I mean, at least you’d know what to expect.
It’s still no rack, iron maiden, or even electric shocks to the genitals, but it does look worse than I really gave it credit for.
And honestly, depending on your personal kink, you might actually like the electric shock to the genitals, so that’s out……..
Also, how different is it when you are having it done at your request, for a job, with a safety signal to make it stop, from when it’s being done by a group of big, healthy soldiers from a foreign country who don’t like you? Wondering if they’ll stop before you die, or if this is the last thing you’re ever going to see?
Correct me if I’m wrong (and I know you will, hehe), but hasn’t it been said (by both the previous and current administrations) that it’s not torture if the intent is not to harm? In other words, the waterboarding and other techniques practiced by Navy SEALS and other specialized teams are not torture in those cases because the intent is not to harm, or do permanent damage? I believe I read that in the last couple of days, but I will have to do a bit more research to be sure.
They may have said it Froo, but no matter who did it I will have to disagree with them. To me, when someone is at my mercy, it’s dishonorable to inflict pain on them. It’s a sign of weakness, to torment someone who has no ability to defend themselves. Lock them up, make them stand, use loud noise to keep them awake, place them in solitary, kill them if necessary, but torture stains the soul. I could kill if I had to, but I couldn’t even torture someone who did horrible things to my family. They would die quickly and cleanly, and I would sleep without bad dreams.
Well, waterboarding certainly doesn’t “Stain the Soul.”
It’s part of Navy Seal training. The men themselves have to go through it. All it does is give the sensation of drowning. There’s no real danger.
Agreed, as far as your comment goes. Doing it to an actual prisoner, who is unable to resist, one whole other story.
You’re literally pouring water into their lungs. That’s not just simulated drowning, it’s starting the process.
See Mark’s comment above about a controlled situation and having the enemy doing it to you.
I may be a weenie, but a country I previously *knew* beyond a shadow of a doubt that wouldn’t torture me actually torturing me would shock me into spilling state secrets like a little song bird. But that’s one reason I’m not in the military. And, TBf, torture is different things to different people. Mark mentioned having loud music played non-stop. That would break me quicker than the lights being on constantly or being made to stay up for days on end (I used to do that for my job). I can’t stand the heart palpitations I get from extremely loud, bassy music.
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Let me come out and say here that I’m not exactly a supporter of torture. But I also understand that desperate times call for desperate measures, and the current administrations rather blatant flip flops on the issue of closing Gitmo, whether or not the intent of waterboarding makes it torture, and several other things that have gone down in the last couple of weeks lends itself to the administration agreeing with me. Fortunately or unfortunately, the timing of said flip flops has gone to bolster what Cheney said about the decisions about closing Gitmo were made for political reasons, and weren’t thought out beforehand.
On the subject of loud music: one of the people we rendered overseas spent some time in American custody first. (He’s since been released, but I don’t remember his name) While in American custody, he was kept in a pitch black space with a bucket for elimination and no blankets. Concrete floor. The audio he heard was alternately Marylin Manson, NIN, and the screams of women and children being tortured (where did they get that audio, anyway?). He has no way of knowing how long he was there, but thinks it was weeks or months. I’m on the border line of whether this is acceptable behavior or not, but it’s certain it changed him forever. After rendering of course, he was tortured in more obvious ways.
The thing about torture is, it doesn’t work. The Jack Bauer scenario simply doesn’t happen in the real world. American interrogators all agree you get faster, more reliable results with a cigarette and quiet conversation. The one thing torture is good for is to get someone to say what you want them to say, whether it’s true or not. Torture also convinces normal, non-violent people that you are an evil enemy that must be stopped at all costs. I tell you, when foreign troops land in the US and start torturing our citizens they’re going to bring a hellstorm that will never end, and I’m afraid that’s what we’re doing in the Muslim world right now.
I know that as a teenager, I was just dying to become a crusader against evil, but I couldn’t find an enemy that was actually evil, and not just “opposed to American government interests”. If someone was torturing American soldiers at the time, I would have done anything to find a way to kill them.
I heard also (and I really need to look this up) that the meme about us creating more terrorists by doing what we’re doing is false. That the way you create more terrorists is to allow a successful terror attack with no real consequences.
I’m still a gun-totin’, bloodthirsty Christian, remember? 
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Other than that, I’m in agreement with you (mostly
agree on the blood-thirsty guns
but when it comes to torture breeding new terrorists – i think it does. if a young boy grows up thinking that one of his parents, grandparents or aunts, uncles, cousins were tortured, he’s not going to like the country that did it, he’s going to want revenge. but deal with the enemy with integrity and respect (as individuals) and you have the potential to halt at least some of the bloodshed in the next generation. not only that, but people in other countries will look at the fair and reasonable treatment and be less likely to feel the need to hate because of past crimes.
won’t stop all violence and hostility, but it does deflate the personal antipathy. furthermore, the us has always stood for the better way of life, democracy and liberty for all so cr@p like this is tantemount to saying that we expect you to live up to our ideals, but we don’t have to – big double standard coming from the wrong side.
besides, why lower our standards to theirs? it only reduces our reputation in the rest of the world and lets face it, any more we need the backing of other nations, it’s no longer the cold war generation – that went away with the fall of the ussr so many nations are no longer willing to overlook things like this to keep us as their defender….
You might have read it because I just said it, or because Cheney just did. The most successful recruitment for terrorists happened on 9/11 – that’s where all the beheadings started and the movement swelled. They didn’t understand that we would be coming after them and didn’t care, as Osama Bin Laden stated clearly in his 1999 interview. Sure they do that phony weeping and wailing in the street when it happens, but martyrdom is the ultimate rush for radical Islamicists.
Oooh, that means I’m psychic, as I said this more than 5 hours before you did. Cool, I have magical powers. *tries to use The Force*
try duct tape, like the force it has a light side and a dark side, but unlike the force, it’s next to impossible to remove when used on the mouth….
It’s bullshit.
The interrogator who got the information that allowed US forces to take out Zarqawi has been very clear about this – the detainees he questioned were convinced we were going to torture and abuse them, that was part of the recruitment. And when we did not, when we treated them decently, they decided their recruiters were wrong and cooperated.
Then the idiot fu(knuts the CIA contracted came in, took over interrogations, and our intel gathering went down the latrine.
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PK keeps eating this post.
From the darn commie Admiral Mike Mullen, USN:
“The concern I’ve had about Guantanamo in these wars is it has been a symbol, and one which has been a recruiting symbol for those extremists and jihadists who would fight us. So I think that centers — you know, that’s the heart of the concern for Guantanamo’s continued existence, in which I spoke to a few years ago, the need to close it.”
From Major Matthew Alexander (Sorry, I don’t know what branch he serves in.)
“Let me dissect former Vice President Dick Cheney’s speech on National Security using this model and my interrogation skills.
First, VP Cheney said, “This recruitment-tool theory has become something of a mantra lately…it excuses the violent and blames America for the evil that others do. He further stated, “It is much closer to the truth that terrorists hate this country precisely because of the values we profess and seek to live by, not by some alleged failure to do so.” That is simply untrue. Anyone who served in Iraq, and veterans on both sides of the aisle have made this argument, knows that the foreign fighters did not come to Iraq en masse until after the revelations of torture and abuse at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay. I heard this from captured foreign fighters day in and day out when I was supervising interrogations in Iraq. What the former Vice President didn’t say is the fact that the dislike of our policies in the Middle East were not enough to make thousands of Muslim men pick up arms against us before these revelations. Torture and abuse became Al Qaida’s number one recruiting tool and cost us American lives.
Secondly, the former Vice President, in saying that waterboarding is not torture, never mentions the fact that it was the United States and its Allies, during the Tokyo Trials, that helped convict a Japanese soldier for war crimes for waterboarding one of Jimmie Doolittle’s Raiders. Have our morals and values changed in fifty years? He also did not mention that George Washington and Abraham Lincoln both prohibited their troops from torturing prisoners of war. Washington specifically used the term “injure” — no mention of severe mental or physical pain”
thing about this whole discussion and whether or not it produces results is that nobody has compared it to the inquisition — look at how confessions to all sorts of horrid (for the times) acts were confessed to – just to get the torture to stop. in fact if anyone reads malleus maleficarum (the guide for witch hunters ) i believe it says that the torture is only to confirm what the inquisitor already knows — so if that is the case with torture, then all that is happening now is confirmation of what someone wants to hear (ie wmd’s in saddams hip pocket). personally, i’d rather have the truth i don’t like than lies.
Froo explains the torture that led her to betray her Christian and conservative values on PunditKitchen. You’re all a bunch of waterboarders and she’s singing like a canary. Pathetic.
Yes, we are all aware that you are a perfect Christian and right about everything. Can we move on?
I couldn’t even follow where she was coming from. I got lost.
I’m not sure she knows where she’s coming from. I bet she wakes up in a different town every night, wonders where she is, and then starts shouting at bystanders for being on her lawn.
*snort*
Until she ended up on Eddie’s lawn, and that was a brilliant battle, I might add.
Ugh, PK ate my post.
Some conservatives (Annie for example) are more upset with conservatives who can disagree amicably with liberals than they are with liberals. In their minds, the division between Conservative and Liberal is more important than the division between American and Everybody Else.
Here’s a note for you hate filled, ill educated blunder monkeys: GET A CLUE! If you aren’t an American first, and a conservative second, then you are part of the problem and need to get the heck out of my country! (Yeah, I’ll apply that rule to liberals of the same stripe!) Benjamin Franklin said it first and said it best: “If we do not hang together, we will most assuredly hang separately.” Quit trying to hijack the national discourse with your ignorance and intolerance, quit voting, renounce your citizenship, and go someplace where there’s already only one party. Say, China; in spite of the fact that they call themselves “communist” they have a lot more in common with Bush-era neocons than they do with any other political stripe.
Tell me there was sarcasm there. I’m one of ‘Everybody Else’, and have no desire for some kind of division from Americans. Plenty of them are nice folks.
I’m much more proud to be part of a species that produced the Tao te Ching, On Liberty and Thunderstruck than I am of my nationality.
I beg your pardon. I did give the impression that I see there being a war between the USA and the rest of the world. In fact, I’m just trying to get Americans to see that we need to be more united nationally, and less divided by politics. Ultimately, we should recognize that we have no evidence that intelligent life lives anywhere else in a vast universe, which makes every human soul something precious beyond belief. However, if we’re tearing one another apart along Christian vs Non, or Right vs Left lines, and can’t recognize that our greater identity is “American”, we will never get to the point of recognizing that our greatest identity is actually “Homo Sapiens”.
I apologize for the perceived bellicosity.
No worries, I guessed as much. Thanks for the clarification, and the stepping-stone approach, neat idea.
Well that was ridiculous, and beneath you (speaking of something being beneath someone.) Or is anything beneath you? Hard to tell sometimes. Because all people who hold down full time professions and full time educational pursuits do that sort of thing all the time as opposed to merely doing a few PWIs (posting while intoxicated) on the weekends. They are exactly the same thing. Foolish.
I didn’t even remotely imply that all people who hold down full time professions and full time educational pursuits drunk post all the time. I merely said that you do. Geez, get it right for a change.
So long as we have all that straight, I suppose so.
The administration isn’t “flip flopping” about closing Gitmo. The spineless gits in Congress are being hysterical and completely senseless about it. Suddenly a prison system that ’s fit for the most calculatedly evil multiple murderers this country has produced can’t handle a few pissed-off goatherders with explosives training? Pathetic. Spineless.
Sure they are. One day Obama orders (executive order, the bane of the Bush admin) Club Gitmo closed (In Jan.) then the other day he said “It’s complicated” (huh…just like Sarah Palin said – good thing that dummy isn’t in charge) and he can’t just close it, the VERY NEXT DAY he goes on tv and says “We’re closing it, that’s it” because Cheney is making him whine like the little b*tch he IS…oh yeah, they’ve been flip-flopping.
Then Biden gives away a secret location punishable by ten years in fed prison and gets sent to the Balkans. LMAO
You sad, blind idiot. He gave the order to close Gitmo WITHIN A YEAR and explained that it would take that long because there are complicated issues to resolve.
You’re so dedicated to your preconceptions that you’ve stopped listening to reality. Fine. Reality will get along without you.
I guess you heard only Obama’s purely defensive and arrogant speech and didn’t even bother to listen to Cheney’s. Way to get all sides of an issue, ideologue moron.
Dittohead.
We have a new standard for when a PK post has jumped the shark: Anniee posts three times in a row.
As though slan agat weren’t synonymous with “Jump the Shark” already. B*tch.
Such Christ-like love for your fellow man. Way to set an example there, Anniee.
Why should I give a damn about slan agat again? As I said before, I don’t pick and choose – I DON’T just take the gospels as though there isn’t an entire BIBLE around them. I am under no obligation to be pleasant to fools and liars and anti-christs.
“Fool,” “liars” and “anti-christs” are human: God’s children, Anniee.
Fools, liars and anti-Christs are NOT God’s children, fool. Satan was “god’s child” if you mean he was created by God, but he’s reserved for fire isn’t he? God’s children are ADOPTED – read Hebrews and stop wasting my f*cking time.
If you’re human, God made you and loves you.
Really, AC? “Psalm 11:5, where the Word says, “The LORD tests the righteous, but his soul hates the wicked and the one who loves violence” ?
Obviously God hates sin but “God so loved the world etc. etc. etc.” and he didn’t do that just for the “nice” people: “it is not the healthy who need a doctor.”
And Jesus came and loved and forgave the sinners: he loved a couple of cheating tax-collectors, an adulteress, the socially unacceptable, everybody…
You don’t even listen to yourself Annie: “…His soul hates the wicked and *the one who loves violence*”
That’s you he’s referring to, you blind idiot.
Odd, coming from a CONSERVATIVE to a LIBERTARIAN. Do you have any idea the contempt Rush reserves for libertarians like me? Moron. True moron.
I believe the phrase “libertarians like me” says it all. Rush doesn’t despise actual Libertarians, he just doesn’t agree with them. You, on the other hand, he’d fillet up with tartar sauce and feed to his dog.
No, even a dog has it’s limits.
I knew you were a Christian Anarchist. Stop reading Rand and start reading Tolstoy, stat. You are sailing dangerously far from the heart of the teachings of Jesus, as indicated by your choice of scripture to quote here, your outright anger towards others, and your unabashed pride in your own spirituality.
Hmmm, sounds very similar to the Pharisees..
jerry falwell, pat robertson, billy graham, and jim bakker all come to mind more than rand…
Two prisoners who had direct knowledge of *imminent attacks* on US soil were waterboarded and they finally gave up the information. That they were not killed in the battlefield, as they legally could have been, that instead we chose to imprison them and save hundreds of thousands of Americans – if you find that abhorrent, then frankly, I don’t give a flying rat’s a** what you think. That’s abominable. It wasn’t until the advanced interrogation was used that they gave up the information and the attacks were THWARTED. And Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was already a murdering terrorist so who gives a damn about stains on his filthy soul to begin with. Get serious. You probably think Israel shouldn’t have fired back at Hamas for lobbing rockets for months and years into civilian areas because they were better armed – we live in the REAL world, where you need to be better armed than the person who INTENDS to kill you, and sometimes to prevent murderous deaths you have to get a little bit (and this was a little bit) rough. YOU don’t have the intestinal fortitude to do it, but thank goodness someone did, or a lot of you (at least those in LA) would be dead. I can’t say I’d be all that sorry to see Hollywood go up in smoke, but at least it didn’t happen, THANKS to our CIA.
That doesn’t make it okay.
It absolutely makes it okay. The lives that were saved were worth more than the terrorist scum (all two of them) that were boarded. If they’d killed them afterwards it wouldn’t have been the slightest loss to the world. Just like it was no loss to kill Hussein and his sons with their rape camps and THEIR torture. I tell you what, if I’m ever captured by someone I hope it’s the US where I get to live in a country club and NOT get BEHEADED. Where the worst I have to do is give them information to save their people and I won’t even be put in discomfort. Pfft – all this breathless pearl-clutching is really phony and pathetic.
So much for all men created equity… Or in gods image… Or love thine enemy… or turn the other cheek… But then again the whole point of the bible or the constitution is to pick and chose the parts we like and ignore the rest.
Unlike Froo, I don’t pick and choose; the bible is complete and indivisible. Do you SERIOUSLY think the bible says to turn the other cheek when you have a gun in your face or a sword at your neck? Heck no. Loving thine enemy is an action, not a feeling; and I love Sheikh Mohammed enough to want him to atone for his murderous terrorist ways and join me in heaven someday. If he doesn’t, he will at least not be responsible for the deaths of thousands of more Americans; not when we can catch, detain, and beat the truth out of him.
You know, I was physically tortured as a child. I am willing to bet that most of you will use that as either a weapon against me or as cause to mock me rather than expose a bleeding heart about how it MIGHT be responsible for a little internet misanthropy today. I’m willing to bet that most of you wouldn’t give a flying f*** about it. Nonetheless it happened. And I gave you that one for free, Froo and company – you can use it against me in all your normal vile ways as much as you like; it won’t have the power to make me cry, I assure you. Or if it does, you’ll never know.
There is no conceivably good reason to mention that convenient little nugget unless you are looking for sympathy or abuse which to condemn. As it is obviously a contrivance meant to entrap, it will be ignored for the rich fodder you provide by simply being yourself. Nice try though.
Except for the word “convenient” (I assure you it is not convenient to be so badly abused as a child) I must say that the rest of it? Is mighty white of you. Because that is the only conceivably appropriate response in that case, and it WAS a good try
Though, like I said, most wouldn’t give a flying f*** about it, and that is more than likely true. It’s documented, though, hon – this isn’t some scam. But like I say above; ignoring it is still best. But would anyone care? No, because it’s an innocent child who then grew up to annoy certain people, so torture is thus OK. That much I was correct about.
lawdy, it’s stooped to making troll droppings….
Hehehe, We all know how Jesus loved harming others to save his own ass.
Very interesting conversation that is worth having… but I gotta ask, WHAT THE HELL DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH THE PICTURE?
What picture?
i see…
There’s a picture?
Nothing at all. That’s why I started with “Please don’t hate me”
I thought that was because of your avatar being so darn Fugly.
HEY! DO NOT DISRESPECT THE HAT! The Wizard knows how to handle those of little faith! [link]
There should probably have been a
in that last post, btw
only for those who need to be told something is funny and they need to laugh ;p
cr@p, make that ‘are supposed to laugh’ instead of ‘need to laugh’
And I almost thought the off-topic-ness ended…
PM, I saw read about that and saw the video and the amazing thing is, Cheney STILL insists it’s not torture. WTF?!?!
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My .02 along with your post.. why did McCain cop all kinds of grief for ’singing like a bird’ when he was a POW, yet we’re not supposed to be in favor of torture. Seems like mixed messages to me.
i don’t get it either – it the victim in non-consenting, and they feel the consquences are real, then it’s torture. doesn’t matter if what is done leaves no visible scars, they’re on the inside, on the psyche. that is why mental abuse sticks with victims much longer than any physical abuse they went through, just ask any domestic violence survivor — often years later they still have the mental scars and ‘voice tapes’ running through their heads. not saying it’s worse than the physical, just different, and harder to prove, harder to get rid of the after-effects, harder to recover from in many instances. right now i have a lot of contact with young adults who came out of abusive families – it’s never the physical abuse they got as kids that still eats at them, it’s all the horrid things that was said to them….
granted waterboarding isn’t psych torture exactly, yet the prisioners feel like they are being drowned slowly, and there is a large group of people who say it isn’t torture (because it leaves no marks? doesn’t matter if dick says it’s not torture, he’s not hte one who felt he was being drowned. it’;s the same sort of thinking that says women should just lay back and enjoy being raped — it’s denying the reality of the victim.
The LAW says it’s not torture. Are you so-called conservatives stupid or just willfully ignorant? And BF; your feelings on it don’t matter a sh*thill of beans – torture has a legal definition; this doesn’t meet it.
Also, enemy combatants are NOT subject to the Geneva convention and who gives a d*mn that Khalid Sheikh Mohammad underwent discomfort? Who CARES? Hundreds of thousands of lives were saved and the guy IS a murderous terrorist. I wouldn’t care if they hooked up car batteries to his nads because they were bored; but in fact they did NOT; they subjected him to enhanced, NON-torture interrogation and got the information they needed to stop those attacks. You anti-human scum are the reason more Americans ARE going to die in the next attack.
By the way, the most successful recruitment method for terrorism is a successful terrorist attack. 9/11 saw a huge surge in recruitment and then we had the beheadings (which every one of you ought to be forced to watch with your eyes taped open – waterboarding is NOTHING compared to what they did to our people) but thwarting some attacks? THAT kept it in check. 13000 attacks by radical muslims and counting. You people just want MORE of the same. Vile.
You know, they could make a law saying that crushing a guy’s nuts with a meat tenderizer isn’t torture, but we’d still know it’s true. Making something law doesn’t make it right. Just because they decided to legally define torture in a way that makes them seem right doesn’t change the fact that it is in fact torture.
And the fact that you think we want more Americans to die just proves what a complete moron you are. And since Fester isn’t here, you’re a cretin too. There we go. Where do you draw the line, Anniee? Where do you draw the line when dealing with terrorists before you become one?
Ok, fine, that’s the way you see it? Why not submit yourself to a waterboarding session and let’s see how YOU fare? And why is this an issue for ’so-called conservatives’? Isn’t it one of decency? If your enemy chooses to torture, behead, slide bamboo shoots up your anus, or whatever, that doesn’t mean that WE should take the low road also.
Well, you know, it’s like Jesus said: “Waterboard thine enemies.”
“Put your sword back into its place; for those who live by the sword, die by the sword. Matt 26:52.
Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth… Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy… Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. Matt 5:5-9.
Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven…” Matt 18:21-22
But I say to you that hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. Luke 6:27-32
Do not return evil for evil. Avenge not yourselves, but rather give way to wrath; for it is written, vengeance is mine; I will repay, says the Lord. Therefore if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsts, give him drink: for in so doing you shall heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Romans 12:17-21
Explain to me again, Annie, how *you* are the good Christian, and Froo is the bad one?
PM I discuss scriptures (misused and twisted or otherwise) with Christians, not those antagonistic towards Christianity. Or with sincerely curious unbelievers. You are none of the above so far as I know. So forget it.
You also don’t discuss it with people who are able to demonstrate through Scripture that you’re wrong. We get it.
Except he didn’t; he just *thinks* he did. Typical shallow surface understanding of a few select verses. Probably not even mined but rather gathered off of a site that dedicates itself to finding those types of things. See, you’re talking to someone who has read all those (and countless others) in context, not someone who pulls a few off a site to prove a point. And cross-correlates them into a cohesive theorem. So when you see me go toe-to-toe with someone biblically (it hasn’t occurred yet here, and might never, but I WILL be linking to somewhere that it has) you’ll be assured I NEVER lose.
Does *where* I found Jesus’ words change his words? You’re no different than the radical muslim clerics who are causing our problems overseas. Thank God you don’t have followers to send out and kill!
Anniee, PM didn’t pull those verses out to beat you over the head with your beliefs. He posted them to show you that your acceptance of torture goes against what Christians believe. As an example, Jesus was clearly tortured and mocked before he was crucified. He had the means and the power to change his situation yet he submitted to the torture. You don’t necessarily have to be a Christian to follow the tenets of Christianity. It’s called being moral and decent.
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Believing in Christ is not about who wins or loses. If you believe in the Word, then that should be enough for you.
I’m still puzzling over how to go toe-to-toe in the biblical sense – is it foreplay or do you actually get off?
I think in Anniee’s case it could reach a climax, but then she’d still be left wanting and still unable to prove her point. If that is how she sees the Bible, she is no Biblical scholar by any stretch.
I was raised a good Christian; it’s people like you who drove me from the church. You can’t comprehend what is written down in plain english right in front of you, because it conflicts with your prejudices. I simply don’t see how Jesus’ words are something you can ignore whenever they’re inconvenient.
Or despite who voices them. What Anniee is saying is, if you don’t believe in Christ, then his words don’t mean anything. They are only valid if a Chistian says them.
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Again, twisted logic on her part.
In her defense, there’s a scripture somewhere something like “Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.” – Matthew 24:4-5 and it follows with the fact that not all who quote scripture are doing God’s work. Maybe she thinks I’m the antichrist
You’re not good looking enough to be the anti-Christ
Oh, that is SO UNTRUE! I’ll have you know I look just like a young George Clooney, with the physique Michael Phelps!
Ahem.
Just don’t ask me why I’m here typing on the computer instead of bedding every young lady in a ten mile radius
because you’d rather have witty verbal intercourse than sweaty, vapid zipless fu(ks?
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oh heck, i’m not even fooling myself with that excuse… why are you here instead of out sampling the willamette valley offerings?
Wait, what? You, defending Anniee? Fscking heathen!!
If our enemy has the means, the method, the people, and the plan to go into yet ANOTHER city and kill thousands or hundreds of thousands of people, and I know he knows the plan, I don’t give a damn wHAT it takes to get it out of him. Luckily in this case it did not involve torture but a *few* enhanced interrogation techniques to save our countrymen. Had it taken torture I wouldn’t have cared, but fortunately it didn’t. I don’t much care what you think about that because saving my countrymen is more important to me than taking some mythical high road.
So all of the horrid torture that servicemen went through during Vietnam is ok by those standards as well. Afterall, they were trying to save their country from invaders, yes?
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God you have twisted logic.
so arse-h0le, if it isn’t torture according to the law, then why were japanese officers tried and executed for being the officers in charge when this was done to american prisoners of war? and why is it against the geneva conventions (that the us helped draft, then refused to sign?) ?
and you know what, you don’t know shist about me other than what i share here, you sure as hades don’t know my background…..don’t presume that i don’t know about that which i write, or shall i start curling your hair with horror stories? because i have them troll.
“o arse-h0le, if it isn’t torture according to the law, then why were japanese officers tried and executed for being the officers in charge when this was done to american prisoners of war?”
Because they did a number of other things in ADDITION to waterboarding that were torture. You don’t pay much attention, do you?
So waterboarding is the standard you use to determine if it’s torture or not?
Sorry, I meant to say the final option before torture actually begins..
i’m starting to think this is a 13 yr old boy with acne, bad breathe and parents so flaky he can’t get within 15 feet of a girl, and he’s home schooled using text books written by david koresh…. even the sheep won’t have anything to do with him
STAR WARS SUCKS!!!
Okay, out of the pool. Yes, you! Take your Narnia toys and go somewhere where you won’t bother sane people any more!
Now that’s blasphemy!!!
and we need more of it too! up with heretics and blasphemers!
I find Nitin’s lack of faith…disturbing.
there’s got to be a quote from spaceballs that would apply, but heck if i can think of one…
so let the schwartz be with you?
YYYYYYEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Back to something related to the photo.
And for Spaceballs.
(Prince Valium is lurking sleepily in the background; can you see him?)
I can has repost?
The bald guy seems to be getting a kick out of it.
Go bald guy!
Yeah, the others are just grumpy granddads.
Wasn’t this on the failblog video: cult fail?
I think someone might have pointed that out already
Froo, there aren’t enough hours in the day or in the week for me to drink “all the time” or even more than once on a weekend. Fool.
YES! That’s my country! =D
Long live Icelandic blasphemy!
Love this!
Geeze. If Anniee451 didn’t have a woman’s name, I’d assume she was compensating for a tiny penis.
Wow, there are way more comments than when I looked last time. This is such a fantastic fail that I have this page bookmarked. It might have even swung around to a win.
I like Star Wars myself and found this picture very amusing.
Go Lord Vader!
I cancel the win. The potential of the sheer number of comments is negated by the horribly large percentage of them that are about waterboarding, torture, etc. and not by anything actually related to the picture. I believe its all Portlandmark’s fault, seeing as that person seems to have started it. Thus I declare a topic-post FAIL upon Portlandmark.
I fail your fail! interloper, it’s never pm’s fault, besides this was a conversation that was carried forward from previous locations – keep up with the program
Yeah, the comments are a jumping off point, twi’lek. Stop judging regulars if you’re not one yourself, especially on an old thread no-one wants to come here to defend themselves on.
I bet that, that one pope watched star wars (The one who is smiling.)
*is wiccan*
*giggles*
Join the coven it’s B.Y.O.S. Bring Your Own Sacrifice!!!
Got any chihuahuas? 0.o