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Delirium tremens (colloquially, the DTs, “the horrors”, “the fear”, “the abdabs” or “the rats”; afflicted individuals referred to as “jitterbugs” in 1930s Harlem slang; literally, “shaking delirium” or “trembling madness” in Latin) is an acute episode of delirium that is usually caused by withdrawal or abstinence from benzodiazepines or barbiturates (and other minor tranquilizers). When caused by alcohol, it occurs only in individuals with a history of constant, long-term alcohol consumption. Occurrence due to benzodiazepine or barbiturate withdrawal does not require as long a period of consistent intake of such drugs. Prior use of both tranquilizers and alcohol can compound the symptoms and, while extremely rare, is the most dangerous, especially if untreated.
Five percent of cases of acute ethanol withdrawal progress to delirium tremens. Unlike the withdrawal syndrome associated with opiate dependence, delirium tremens (and alcohol withdrawal in general) can be fatal. Mortality can be up to 35% if untreated; if treated early, death rates range from 5-15%.
Right, it just FEELS like you’re gonna die when detoxing from opioids. Stupid detox.
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more like TL;CR
TS;DC
Falkirk (Scots: Fawkirk, Scottish Gaelic: An Eaglais Bhreac, lit. ‘the Variegated [or 'Speckled'] Church’ (presumably referring to a church building built of many-coloured stones) is a town in central Scotland lying to the north west and north east of the cities of Edinburgh and Glasgow, respectively. According to a 2007 estimate, the population of the town is 34,071. [1] However, the wider Falkirk Area, which includes nearby towns such as Grangemouth, Larbert and Stenhousemuir, has a population of 97,180, making it the 5th largest urban area in Scotland, after Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen and Dundee.
The town lies at the junction of the Forth and Clyde Canal and the Union Canal, a location which proved pivotal to the growth of Falkirk as a centre of heavy industry during the Industrial Revolution. In the 18th and 19th Centuries Falkirk was at the centre of a large iron and steel industry, underpinned by the Carron Company which developed close to the town. In the last 50 years or so heavy industry has declined, and the economy of the town has become increasingly services orientated.
Today Falkirk functions as the principal retail and administrative centre for the wider Falkirk Council area. Attractions in and around Falkirk include the Falkirk Wheel, remnants of the Antonine wall, and Callendar House.
Beat you to it.
Useless knowledge about alcohol and a church. Coincidence? I think not…
It’s a town named after a church… Get-it-right
Whatevs!
very interesting. got more factoids on scotland? i know, you are scot, and it probably seems ordinary and even hum-drum to you, but from where i sit, scotland is exotic
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That’s SCOTLAND, not SCROTUM.
rofl! no kidding, couldn’t figure out the connection there – still not enough caffeine in the system evidentally.
this might have been interesting if you would have deleted out all the links…but then again, no it wouldn’t
Llll does this sometimes… I don’t have a clue what goes on in their head…
I find it really funny that you describe Scotland as exotic…
And I’m sitting here with all my big ideas to get out of it ASAP! I suppose I think of America as pretty exotic, too…
Anyway, factoids? Ummm… There are several myths about how Scotland got its flag, the Saltire. The one I knew as a kid is something like… Once upon a time army of Scotland gathered for a battle with the heathen hordes of the Anglo-Saxons.(Read that like “orcs” in myths like these) They were outnumbered (as per usual) and their king knew defeat was inevitable… He prayed to Scotland’s patron saint, Andrew, in desperation. As he raised his eyes to heaven he saw the white clouds against the blue sky form Saint Andrew’s cross… He took this as a sign that God was with them in this fight and had a banner made with the sign on it. Wherever he took this banner it encouraged his soldiers, the battle was won and the Saltire was kept for posterity as Scotland’s flag. *Insert happy ending here*
There, hope that wasn’t too boring…
loved it, but then (brace yourself) i am of scottish descent (clan douglas
) my scots immigrant ancestors were jacobites and found it necessary to move to the colonies (1740) … now that that part is out of the way 
since i’ve never been to scotland, to me it is exotic and you’d probably feel the same way about where i live. on the other hand, maybe not so much. if you do a google maps search (with satilite on) of sandpoint, idaho and pend o-reille lake in general. and ritzville, wa (zoom out a few times, and this {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Mountainsv}
but we grow everything bigger out here, lol)
this is pretty much where i grew up. the mountains seem to be similar to pics i’ve seen of the highlands. (only much higher altitude
and then there are the bagpipes, and men in kilts! oh yeah, can’t forget those
several years ago i took my mother to a local highland games event (cheesy good fun & men in kilts) anyway, mom got a big kick out it all – most of the women were built like her – short & stocky without being obese. but we could definitally tell who had the viking ancestory and who didn’t (we don’t)
Oh wow, the Rocky Mountains look really beautiful. There’s certainly nothing that impressive here! Google maps always make my eyes go funny but your home looks nice from what I can see… I’m a bairn of the town mentioned in the ordinal post rule: it’s an alright sort of place tho I’m not planning on spending too much of my life here.
If you’re ever here remember the macaroni pies and deep fried mars bars and tablet. (not just the haggis lol)
That’s pretty cool that you can trace your ancestors. (mine are dead and Scottish and that’s about it) Loads of folk are Scottish: the race’s main hobby seems to be escaping from Scotland and then composing depressing songs/poems about it.
Hey, there’s no shame in being touristy -Scottish industry thrives off you creatures anyway.
Oh, and who doesn’t love kilts?
clan mackay representing here… i attend the semi-local highland games every year. the largest games in the US. the massed bands is probably my favorite part.
A Scot founded the US Navy, and led the last invasion of the British mainland (note mainland; the Germans invading the Channel Islands in WW2 doesn’t count).
Yes, I am from Scotland; furryboots ye fae Bad Fairie?
Furryboots?
Is there an Aberdonian on this page?
…sero sed serio…we’ve passed from the borderlands…
…and left the home of God behind…
…for a life in the mud…
yank through and through, but i’ve got roots over there.
but then i’l like that here when i’m at some place i’ve never been before. but as a saving grace, i always eat the local food at the mom and pop kind of places (no 5 star or mcchains for me)
if i had $$$ i’d be one of those tourists that some people here have ranted over, but on the other hand, i do appreciate a fine single malt
seriously though, i would be one of those sterotypical tourists – looky at this, where’s the men in kilts (and what don’t you wear under them *veg*) ooh, shiney and off i’d go
and i don’t care if i look like an escapee from bedlam – it keeps the freaks away if they think you’re crazier than they are
I guess that makes me a diplomat. Who knew?
Hmm, I thought that was called, ‘drinking at the family reunion til no one takes offense at telling the truth about each-other’. but not too much. Cousin Eustice always had that awkward gaze….
It just appeared that way.. it was the lazy eye that threw people off.
On the other hand, she could beat two people at staring contests at the same time.
*pretending to enjoy*
*pretending to care*
*not caring and not pretending*
*caring to pretend and not notting*
*caring to knot*
*pretending to knit*
knotting to pretend
“Of those WHO piss us off.” “Who” refers to people. “That” refers to objects or animals.
(switches off inner Grammar Nazi and carries on)
Thank you. That’s been bugging the 5hit out of me…
If we gather together, do you think we can get microsoft to change that on their grammar function? Please?!?!
I don’t think enough people care about fine grammar to make it happen. Woe.
C’mon, Hillary has been married to Bill for decades. Compared to him, dealing with the guy who beat her in an election should be a breeze.
(I’m going on the assumption that the LOL was about her.)
Okay, new thread.
I’m trying to figure out exactly what it is the conservatives think they have caught Pelosi doing vis a vis the torture briefing she received in 2002.
Now, if the conservatives are right, waterboarding isn’t torture, nobody in power authorized torture, and any “enemy combatants” who were tortured were victims of our men and women in uniform, not of the US Government per se. If this is true, then what exactly is it Pelosi did wrong? Not violate her oath of office, and US law, by outing classified information?
If, however, waterboarding and other forms of torture were authorized at the highest levels, and if Pelosi was informed about it, do the conservatives actually think it was her duty to break the law and attempt to stop it by passing some form of legislation? In the face of an overwhelming republican majority?
Personally, I’d throw her under the bus for caving to the Republicans ever since she was elected. I’d love to get a democrat who will show some leadership into the Speaker position. If you conservatives want to help us out by making her resign her position, well thank you very much and what can you do about Harry Reid next?
Still though, I think that investigating Pelosi on this subject will just lead us back where our focus should have been from the beginning: who authorized torture in my name, and why haven’t we put them behind bars?
She’s just lying now, and doing a poor job of it. Any average two-year-old can lie far more convincingly than this left-coast twit.
When she was briefed about humane interrogation techniques, including waterboarding, to be used at Gitmo, she was the “appropriate channel” to stop the use of interrogation. The intelligence oversight commitee has plenty of ways to stop the CIA without releasing sensitive info to the public, or even the rest of Congress. That’s why they meet in closed sessions.
Comparing an interrogation technique similar that’s as tame as the log-flume ride at Six Flags to actual torture is an ignorant insult to the millions tortured to death by Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Hussein, Kim, and Ahmadinejad.
Those complaining about Gitmo are either animals incapable of distinguishing between the discomfort of one and the death of many; or liars twisting the facts for cheap partisan political gain.
If you need a clue as to what real torture is, click the link.
1) You’re just effing wrong about the ability of congressional committees to effectively exercise oversight of the intelligence agencies. They are captured committees. Ask anyone who’s worked within the system and they’ll tell you oversight is a joke. The intel agencies are obligated to inform the appropriate members of Congress, and the Congresscritters can squawk all they want during the briefings but it won’t change a thing…unless full-blown hearings happen with all the public uproar that entails.
2) Waterboarding is not humane and you are a lying stack of shit for claiming so. Unless you have yourself been waterboarded, by someone you didn’t know was your ally, you’re just waving your dick around now with no actual knowledge whatsoever. You and Sean Hannity deserve each other.
3) Here’s all you need to know about Pelosi and the CIA:
…a) The CIA’s job is to deceive the nation’s enemies as defined by the administration.
…b) Bush and Cheney defined Congressional oversight as the enemy.
…c) Conclusion is left as an exercise for the reader.
Bravo, brother!
Have you ever been in the military, gone to SEER school, been a POW, worked at the CIA or Congress? In real life, not in your fantasy ‘net persona dreams?
If not, then you’re just repeating loser talking points pulled out of Kos’ backside.
Grow up and get a job.
Well, apparently you haven’t, else you would have known it’s SERE, not SEER. Have you been a POW?
Because if you’d been to SERE school, or any other survival-POW class, you’d know that your outdoor portion of class was going to last about a week, dependent upon the level of training you enter. That you’d wander around in the forest, get caught, and then get put through the ringer. Need I say for a week, again? Maybe ten days?
So tell me, is it torture to be locked in a box for a few days, as compared to being waterboarded for years?
When you know, for a fact, that you have a plane to catch in a week or so, and you know you’re going to be on it, with or without a graduation certificate, don’t you think your ability to withstand any sort of “enhanced interrogation technique” will be significantly greater than someone locked in Gitmo for, oh, about eight years now?
Looks like you need to put your perspective goggles on, they’re skewing a bit to the right.
he has to take off his blinders before he can fix his perspective goggles though
I’ve never heard of this. You mean people actually go to a camp to be tortured? They pay money? And then get a certificate?
High school wasn’t enough, I guess….
you got it backwards – they get paid to go to camp and be tortured – ‘be all that you can be’ compliments of the us army
but there are survival camps that civilians can pay to go to. i went to one of the early ones – got the boot when i refused to eat bugs. they weren’t even chocolate covered or anything. i don’t care if it would keep me alive or if they taste good or what ever fantasy people use to brainwash themselves – i don’t eat bugs!
anyway, there are special survival camps aimed at the wealthy, and the influencial business people, and politicans from countries where kidnappings and assassinations are common occurances. the idea is to show these people some of the worst that can happen to them and teach them some skills to survive. the ultimate worst case scenario ever
LG, I’m trying to link here. First time, so if it doesn’t work, you can Wiki SERE training, but I found this interesting link with “enhanced interrogation.” Yikes.
Waterboarded for years, huh? Like the three times KSM was waterboarded?
Just to be clear here — are we comparing SERE to what *actually* happened in Gitmo, or to your 24-esque wet dreams of what Dick Cheney *might* have been doing there?
Cheez, when you’re not personally abusive, you’re just plain wrong. KSM was waterboarded 183 times; 6100% more than you claim. [link] Check the evidence dude.
I don’t know if your lack of information informs your wrong headed beliefs, or if your wrong headed beliefs prevents you from learning what you really ought to know, but either way, please be quiet and let the adults speak, would you?
But, but, that’s not what Fixed News told him! *gasp*
Reading comprehension FAIL. Unsurprising, I suppose, that you take the most personally advantageous interpretation- it’s certainly not the first time you’ve played fast and loose with the truth to make a point.
I’m still waiting for you to answer my question.
I’m still waiting for you to answer mine, so I guess we can both sit and be disappointed.
We all know that nobody here ever makes a typo.
I’m one of the first, but your whole point was so completely off in right field, it could not be ignored.
PS. I sure wish Hannity would go through with his promise to take a water-boarding. And I wish they’d let Olbermann do it.
You and Olbernutjob need to put up or shut up. Nobody has offered a single penny toward the challenge yet, even though the proceeds are going to charity.
Hannity may be a whining bible-thumper who belabors many of his points, but at least he has put his money his mouth is.
Time to man-up or go home Olby & Co.
there´s a long list of mistakes that hannity has yet to apologize for or correct.
Olbermann promised $1000 per second. Typical conservative. You can’t tell the difference between “a single penny” and “$1000 per second”.
BTW: tell us about your experience in the military.
Olby = No Action, Talk Only
Get the checkbook out and start writing.
BTW: tell us about YOUR experience in the military.
Hannity is the one talking with no action. How can Olbermann write the check before he sees how long Hannity can take the waterboarding? I, for one, would need to see a total before I could write it on my check. Unless you’re crediting Olbermann with clairvoyance?
Wow, you’re amazing. You completely disregarded each and every one of his concisive, analytical points and posted an insane, ludicrous string of Sean Hannity talking points. Bravo!!!! Bravo, sir, bravo to you.
Finding a place for intelligent discussion.
You’re doin it wrong.
Yep, I see what you mean. It’s kinda fun to toss in a bit of reality to the lefties every once in a while.
It sorta reminds me of throwing a little water on a hot griddle. A lot of hissing and sizzling, and all the little droplets bounce around as if in a spastic fit.
So you can’t even discuss torture without turning it into some kind of partisan mess. What a complete spineless sleazeball you are.
So, in short, you neither understood my question nor were you able to answer it.
BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA *wipes tears*
Oh PM, you made my day.
Your “question”? Uh, that little steamer is definitely a statement, big guy, regardless of the superfluous question marks you may have thrown in the middle. I’ll assume you’re aware of that, whether you bother to admit it or not.
So, here’s an actual question for you: are you *actually* against torture, or are you just using it as a lame excuse for a partisan witch hunt? And since I know what the answer is, I’ll repeat — you’re a spineless coward for pretending to care about “torture in your name” but not having the guts to follow it wherever it leads.
Was that clear enough for you to follow?
Let’s break the question down into smaller pieces so it fits into your smaller brain:
1) If what we did to detainees is not torture, then what did Pelosi do wrong?
2) If it is torture, then isn’t the Bush administration a little more responsible than the leader of the minority party?
Take your time. I fully expect you to miss the point and launch a personal attack again, but I hope to be disappointed for once.
“1) If what we did to detainees is not torture”
It’s. Not. Torture. See. Link. For. Real. Torture.
Is that small enough for your “smaller brain” Mr. “Personal Attack?”
“then what did Pelosi do wrong?”
“She’s just lying now.” First four words of my response. How could you miss that? Refers to her claim about not being briefed.
Not necessarily illegal, but “wrong” in the classic sense that lying is wrong.
#2) See answer to question #1.
Sorry if the extra facts confused you.
YOU go take a waterboarding and tell us it’s not torture. Hannity isn’t the ONLY one who’s all talk.
Two inmates in December 2002 were tortured and beaten to death in cells down the hall from her office. “Hung by their arms from the ceiling and beaten so severely that, according to a report by Army investigators later leaked to the Baltimore Sun, their legs would have needed to be amputated had they lived. The Army’s Criminal Investigation command launched an inquiry, but few people outside Afghanistan took notice.”[60] “In August, a former Bagram interrogator told a Knight Ridder journalist that at the time of the two deaths screams and moans could easily be heard from interrogation rooms at Bagram, and that Wood must have been aware of the abuse, as the interrogation rooms were near her office.
from Wiki, btw
I’m sure you’ll say this is “missing the point” since it’s not attacking Republicans – but why are EITs a crime and a moral outrage when Republicans do it, but must be covered up and FUDded when a Democrat does it? Can you explain your apparent moral hypocrisy, or will you yet again respond with talking points and boring personal attacks?
*crickets*
it´s also called being a grown-up. too bad conservatives want to live in neverland forever.
If Waterboarding isn’t torture then Pelosi is just criminally stupid and should be out of there.
If Waterboarding is torture then Pelosi is just criminally stupid and should be out of there, then we go after those who authorized the torture since one lying idiot with no power to stop it doesn’t stop there from being a crime with those that ordered it.
Either way, I advocate tossing the dumbass under the bus. She lied when it was better to say, Yes I knew but had no real power to stop it, etc etc.
Now that we cleared up that Pelosi is criminally stupid and deserves to be ousted for it, can we move on to the fact that waterboarding is torture and needs to be addressed?
Damn… Wasted post.
Oh, not a wasted pout. I applaud!! And you’re 100% right. I believe Newt said it best, that she’s either incompetent or a liar, and either quality is not fitting a Speaker. She needs to do the graceful thing and step down before it becomes worse.
Alrighty, so order of operations.
1. Can the obvious distraction known as Pelosi for being a criminal liar and fool.
2. Move onto dealing with the real issue of prosecuting those who ordered torture.
3. Having gotten the ass burr of 1 and 2 out of the way, move onto more current issues.
Got it. All in favor?
Personally, I think we should do a fact-finding mission to see who knew what when for the sole purposes of prosecuting everyone who ordered torture, be they Democrat, Republican, Independent, or Other, as the Congress was briefed on this many times before, during, and after it happened with nary a word of protest. If we’re going after the Bushes, we might as well go after all of them.
Fair enough, we might need a bigger courtroom, but fair enough.
Grab all the idiots involved with the orders as part of 2. Then I want a strawberry and banana smoothie while I watch the circus that will ensue.
Nope, look at the actual quote from Panetta. He never said she lied. He merely implied that she lied. When pressed for clarification, a CIA spokesman refused to clarify Panetta’s position, and said his letter would have to speak for itself.
Panetta and the right wing media juggernaut are the liars, making this non story into a distraction from the real issue: torture. Whoever had anything to do with torture deserves punishment. However, Pelosi was lied to, and prohibited by security clearances from disclosing anything in any case or seeking clarification.
Pelosi was lied to and Panetta refuses to lie by claiming she was told the truth. He just IMPLIES that she was told the truth.
This whole thing stinks, but it’s not Pelosi that is the problem, it is Obama and his CIA lapdog Panetta protecting executive privilege. Obama is no different than any president before him, every previous president gets a free pass from the prez after him, kind of a ‘pay it backward’ scheme.
The problem with Pelosi’s story is that it’s changed several times. First she didn’t know, then she might have known, then she didn’t know because the Bushes misled her, then she didn’t know because the CIA misled her……..If she had stuck with one story or the truth she might have some plausible deniability in the matter. As of now she’s compromised and needs to go.
I have to lean a bit right here and go with Froofrou, this time. Panetta likely being dirty doesn’t change the odd little show that Pelosi is putting on.
If she was innocent, there would be one story. I can accept the idea that her advisors might be yanking her around to make her look bad but the fact is, she does look bad. Her entire handling of the issue reeks of either a cowardice or duplicity we can’t allow as House Speaker.
Disclaimer for the dim: Cowardice in the context I am using is her lack of ability to stick to one story, the one story that technically should be truth. If she is afraid to admit there was a problem, I don’t want her there. I am in no way calling her a coward for not speaking up during the tenure of Bush as she would have been slammed with heavy legal ramifications with an administration that could have done just about anything to her.
And I disagree with the “pay it backward” scheme you’re mentioning. If you open up executive privilege for the previous president, you’re also opening it up for yourself. As president, there are certain things that HAVE to be done, and sometimes those things aren’t exactly kosher. I defy you to find me one completely clean president in history. Hell, even Lincoln suspended Habeus Corpus for the Civil War, and FDR rounded up Asian-Americans and put them in camps “just to be sure”. If you open that can of worms, you subject every president after the last one, including yourself, to being prosecuted for the ethical missteps that sometimes have to be made in order to get a job done.
Disagree? You just restated what I was saying, and clearly explained WHY it is that way. I’m not sure it’s a good thing, though. One man’s ‘ethical misstep’ is another man’s genocide.
As for changing her story, did it really change or is that just more lies? Honestly, I don’t know. Any references?
Ok, don’t get upset, i’m still trying to track down something that compares each of the stories to each other, but this is a blog I’ve found that details it from the beginning. It’s a right-slanted blog, for sure, but it does cite its sources. I’m still searching for more.
{http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/us_world/Pelosi_playing_defense_on_torture.html}
Here is another that doesn’t seem to be slanted.
{http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1898706,00.html?xid=rss-politics-cnn}
Here’s an article from Time Magazine that shows the Catch 22 that Pelosi is in. Best case scenario at this point is that she’s incompetent.
Just for you, Seth, a cartoon
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Best scenario at this point is that she was lied to. The CIA said, “We are considering using waterboarding in the future,” NOT “We are using waterboarding now.” That is her story and it hasn’t changed.
Too true! Why must be exersize this diplomacy sooo often? haha
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