Comments on: A cause

By: D-Day

D-Day — Wed, 13 May 2009 04:43:55 +0000

I do believe that is a picture of my own hometown of Milwaukee Wisconsin. Where prohibition didn’t just mean you couldn’t get drunk it meant you didn’t have a job.

By: The Steve

The Steve — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:30:58 +0000

Weed has NEVER been used as a hallucinogen. It is NOT a hallucinogen!

Your facts are ALL wrong! I have no idea where you got this information, but none if it is factual!

By: The Steve

The Steve — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:29:39 +0000

NO NO NO.

It is NOT a hallucinogen, regardless of the quality or quantity that you smoke.

By: The Steve

The Steve — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:28:37 +0000

Cannabis dates back over 10,000 years to the Stone Age, and has still never had a single recorded case of death caused by the drug.

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I still would like to hear you provide one reason that cannabis should be illegal. Keep in mind that reason cannot also apply to alcohol, because alcohol is scientifically proven to be more dangerous, and it is legal. So you need to provide a reason why it’s safe for alcohol to be legal, but not for cannabis. The bottom line is, there is no legitimate reason.

By: The Steve

The Steve — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:14:45 +0000

So your stance is that nicotine, alcohol, and caffeine should also be illegal, correct?

I can understand your viewpoint that all drugs are bad, I cannot understand criminal penalties for those using said drugs. Locking people in prison is not the answer, clearly drugs should be treated as a public health issue, not a criminal issue if your argument is to do what is the most healthy for the people.

If not, you are a hypocrite. Either ALL drugs are bad, or personal liberty dictates that you should be able to make that choice as an informed adult who knows the health risks involved. You can’t have it both ways.

By: The Steve

The Steve — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:05:20 +0000

Agreed! Buy local! Most foreign countries can’t compete with the quality coming out of California anyway
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Happy cows come from California because California has the best grass.

By: The Steve

The Steve — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:03:04 +0000

It is already illegal in most places to smoke (tobacco or otherwise) in any public building, including bars, restaurants and taverns.
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How and where do you propose you would receive this “second hand high”? People aren’t going to be taking bong rips in the super market checkout line, or in the cubicle at the office for god’s sake. Stop letting fear make your decisions for you, and start thinking logically about the situation.
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Also recognize the difference between DECRIMINALIZATION, and LEGALIZATION. You cannot possibly support the legalization of tobacco and alcohol, and still maintain that marijuana should be a criminal offense without coming off as extremely hypocritical. It should at the very worst be a civil infraction.

By: slan agat

slan agat — Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:37:15 +0000

No, you don’t understand and/or haven’t bothered to read, either my post or any history at all. Cannabis was used in Europe both medicinally and recreationally for hundreds of years – Queen Victoria was known to take it for relief of menstrual pain.

And THC is not a hallucinogen either, so that’s another factual fail on your part.

You’re the one with the closed mind.

By: slan agat

slan agat — Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:33:24 +0000

You don’t know me, so I’m going to be more charitable than you and not assume you’re a flaming idiot the way you assumed I’m a mindless absolutist.

If you actually READ what I’ve written rather than interpreting it as “Legalization WHARRAGARBLE,” you would have noticed that I did NOT say there are no legitimate reasons to restrict cannabis – I never said any such thing. I DID say that the bulk of the “conventional wisdom” about the substance is unsupported by science, which is only true, and I undermined one or two glaringly obvious falsehoods of yours. That is a LONG way away from saying there are no legitimate reasons to restrict the stuff.

In fact it’s you who are taking an absolutist position by saying that cannabis should not be legal under any circumstance, and you who have a higher burden of proof. I, along with the majority of posters here who replied before me because I had a busy day yesterday, think it ought to be subject to regulation and taxation much the way alcohol is.

By: froofrou

froofrou — Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:24:40 +0000

*brings ConservoBoobies ™ to the table*
Did someone call for boobies?

By: Eric-in-STL

Eric-in-STL — Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:22:56 +0000

Did someone say boobies??????

By: Eric-in-STL

Eric-in-STL — Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:19:26 +0000

That’s right. Support American weed! Smoke American!

By: DeathWyrmNexus

DeathWyrmNexus — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:31:16 +0000

You had me at boobies…

By: viking gal

viking gal — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:22:59 +0000

And yes, DWN, that includes the ‘lady pirates’. Naturally!

By: viking gal

viking gal — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:22:04 +0000

Puffy shirts, ‘accidentally’ unlaced 1/2 way down their chests!

By: froofrou

froofrou — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:21:12 +0000

Are they wearing puffy shirts?

By: viking gal

viking gal — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:17:56 +0000

What–you’re implying that I can think myself into a pretzel? Oh, that’s right, I can. Erm. *starts dancing around to distract DWN*
Soo… What do you think about pirates?

By: DeathWyrmNexus

DeathWyrmNexus — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:10:54 +0000

Woman just means self complicating. Being mysterious makes you mysterious.

By: viking gal

viking gal — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:54:11 +0000

And here I thought I was mysterious because I was a woman?!

By: DeathWyrmNexus

DeathWyrmNexus — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:37:24 +0000

Yay stuffed up head. Well I figure as a science teacher, you are full of facts and mysteries so that was a given that your stuffed up head was useful.

By: viking gal

viking gal — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:22:38 +0000

Glad to help! It’s nice when my trivia-stuffed brain can actually be useful!
(Very NOT like my stuffed-up head…)

By: DeathWyrmNexus

DeathWyrmNexus — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:12:55 +0000

Oooooh, good cite. Thanks babe!

By: DeathWyrmNexus

DeathWyrmNexus — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:05:39 +0000

And keep money in America as opposed to sending it abroad to foreign areas producing the weed.

By: Eric-in-STL

Eric-in-STL — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:58:00 +0000

Never smoked weed, or done any illegal drugs for that matter, and I support the legalization of weed. Why? Because alcohol is a far more dangerous drug, and it’s perfectly legal. And hey, in a rough economy, wouldn’t it be great to add a new industry that’s sure to prosper to our GDP?

By: viking gal

viking gal — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:52:06 +0000

Click on my name for a scientific article on the topic.

By: viking gal

viking gal — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:51:42 +0000

Marijuana is much less dangerous than alcohol. Lethal dose 50 tests by toxicologists bear this out.

By: DeathWyrmNexus

DeathWyrmNexus — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:51:03 +0000

Ya man, stop hogging the boobies… Pass that down, man… @_@

By: Eric-in-STL

Eric-in-STL — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:50:54 +0000

It could still apply to teachers too, sadly enough.

By: Eric-in-STL

Eric-in-STL — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:49:56 +0000

Okay, hey someone pass DWM the boobies. They’re at the other end of the table and I can’t reach them.

By: DeathWyrmNexus

DeathWyrmNexus — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:45:41 +0000

Tell that to those drinking and smoking tobacco…

Or are you having a nesting fail since I can’t see what your relevance to this thread is besides an odd tangent.

By: Xenurine

Xenurine — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:40:35 +0000

Crap.
*deal with your problems

By: Xenurine

Xenurine — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:39:26 +0000

How about, instead of doing drugs, you actually try to deal with them for long-term relief rather than just getting a high that lasts for five minutes?

By: DeathWyrmNexus

DeathWyrmNexus — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:24:08 +0000

Yay!

By: Mr.Wholesome

Mr.Wholesome — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:20:32 +0000

I’ve heard it classified as a hallucinogen before but I’ve also heard that you would have to smoke a shit load more than most ever would to get that effect from it.

By: FaileV

FaileV — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:31:34 +0000

that isn’t really a good argument against legalization of weed, just another point that it ought to be regulated. in many places, if not all, it is illegal to be drunk in public, so it is less likely you’ll get a pissed off drunk yelling at you in the street, and if you do it is easily taken care of. If weed were to be treated this way, users would not be allowed to be high in public. the second hand high thing can be dealt with as well, just as stated earlier playing loud music and whatever is dealt with in apartments.

By: PortlandMark

PortlandMark — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:03:52 +0000

@Jane St. Claire: I submit that is why violent crimes are very low in Amsterdam.

By: froofrou

froofrou — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:46:58 +0000

The main arguments I’ve heard over the initial ban of cannabis stem from the paper and timber industry being pissy that cannabis is easier to grow and cheaper to make into things. Therefore, ban it.

By: froofrou

froofrou — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:45:58 +0000

The ConservoBoobies of Zeal ™ approve of this.

By: bad fairie

bad fairie — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:09:11 +0000

as a medical treatment, cannabis has been in use about 4,000 yrs – unless you are methusula, that is way more than a few generations!
secondly, when cannabis was prohibited it has already fallen out of usage by most americans, and was looked down on because it was primarily the african and mexican immigrants who were still using it. it had fallen from usage because the active ingredient could not be manufactured in the same way as other pre-modern medicine could be (asprin etc). by not being able to manufacture and control the medical field was unable to profit from the marketing of cannabis, and since the government couldn’t profit (tax) from it either, cannabis was easy to ban by playing up on the fears of white middle and upper classes.

By: DeathWyrmNexus

DeathWyrmNexus — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:07:47 +0000

I can’t stand beer or weed, I will just have the boobies please.

By: Eric-in-STL

Eric-in-STL — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:05:52 +0000

Never had weed, but beer & boobies would do nicely.

By: Jess

Jess — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:58:45 +0000

Baring some strange boob self-reflexivity, ya jerk! = )

By: DeathWyrmNexus

DeathWyrmNexus — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:45:49 +0000

I am actually counting on her zeal to keep the minions in line.

It was part of the reason I put her in that position, the other reason is because she made me such a nice jacket from those lions.

By: rhorho

rhorho — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:39:43 +0000

That should be okay, as long as you put her in Hannibal Lecter gear. It only takes one instance of her intensive zeal to … well you know.

*tries to block memories of what happened to the lions*

By: dissimilitude

dissimilitude — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:28:29 +0000

Aw, thanks.

By: DeathWyrmNexus

DeathWyrmNexus — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:27:24 +0000

@Diss: I concur with Rhorho. WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By: rhorho

rhorho — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:25:20 +0000

@Diss: WIN!!

By: dissimilitude

dissimilitude — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:23:43 +0000

@DWN: Maybe he sees them and thinks they’re all potheads? Lol.

By: rhorho

rhorho — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:18:26 +0000

There are two plants commonly called Moonflower. One is a Morning Glory (Ipomoea alba) that opens its blooms in the evenings.

The other, Thorn Apple (Datura innoxia), has been used for its hallucinogenic properties for years by Native Americans in the Southwest. (It’s a weed there.) Two or three people die each year from overdoses of the drug, iirc, which is rendered from a root tea. I have it in a corner that doesn’t get hit too well by the sprinkler, and prune it with a lawn mower.

The best thing about Moonflowers is that rubbing the leaves makes your fingers smell like peanut butter.
What’s not to love about that?

Both plants open blooms in the evenings because they are moth pollinated.

By: DeathWyrmNexus

DeathWyrmNexus — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:13:31 +0000

@Diss: I don’t even visit bars and I still see them about so your guess is as good as mine.