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I think the other clergy should take a fashion note from Darth.
FAIL
Bigots will enjoy this though.
What’s wrong with mocking bishops?
Sorry, but characterizing people who believe differently from you as evil goes beyong that.
Yeah, I’m sure these bishops don’t dislike certain groups of people or anything.
I could start listing but anybody in that particular group already knows the list…
I don’t get what people have against the clergy. They’ve vastly improved in the last few centuries.
It’s what they did before the past those last few centuries that most people would have a problem with.
Yeah they’ve improved they stopped burning people at the stake and went to molesting children.
What an appropriate username: “Hell Bound”; though you need a hyphen. (Oh yeah. I just pulled off a colon and semicolon in the same sentence. Deal with it.)
Did you know? According to this guy, every single Catholic priest molests children. Also, according to PDhobbit (captioner), they enticed Darth Vader to the Dark Side (not like there’s a movie, or 6, that say differently, or anything).
*sigh*
Please, Pundit Kitchen, only feature original, true jokes. Quality, not quantity. I’d rather have 5 good politiLOLs a week than 5 bad ones a day.
<<according to PDhobbit …. they enticed Darth Vader to the Dark Side (not like there’s a movie, or 6, that say differently, or anything).
I’m guessing the pages in your dictionary covering the letter “I” have been inadvertently omitted.
Please, Wyde, splurge on a new copy of the dictionary and flick to the word “irony”. It’s towards the back of the I’s … sort of near “idiot”….
I love you, Zeli. Marry me.
Not all of them, but a good number of the cardinals took long steps to cover it up so it could continue.
And, the church isn’t evil for believing in something I don’t. It’s
evil for essentially following nazi regime now (If you’re not one of us, BURN), causing a lot of distress to kids who are uncertain about their faith. When I was Catholic, a couple kids in my church and I were near made self-hateful because we questioned the faith and got all this fire-and-brimstone crap about how we were going to burn forever.
Yeah. Way to go Catholic Church.
The Wang, rigid, unflinching, and mildly sleepy notes your post albeit late.
If you’re going to be a grammar Nazi and critique someone’s username because it doesn’t a hyphen in it, and then try to brag about your language skills, it’s a good idea not to make mistakes yourself.
You actually used the semicolon incorrectly. You use a semicolon when there isn’t a conjunction. Since you used “though,” you should have just used a comma. Using more advanced language when basic language will do just makes you look pretentious.
You also used the question mark incorrectly.
That means you made a mistake while and directly after trying to show off your language skills. Good job!
Also, way to completely miss the point of a joke. And all jokes.
doesn’t have a hyphen*
Actually it’s not ‘moved on to’ – They’ve always done it.
It influenced a whole fashion style such that dress daggers became derigeur in the 1400s to fend off the roving hands of the priests.
And let’s not forget Caesare Borgia’s legendary celebration meal, where girls and boys were made available to the attending Cardinals.
It’s more or less systemic and seems to go back forever, at least in church history terms… it’s just one of those sub rosa things…
“They’ve vastly improved in the last few centuries.”
Yeah, Pope Ben is leading the Catholic Church into a brave new world of 18th Century thinking.
I don’t think criticising some of the absolutely abhorent positions held by the Pope and Catholic Church is bigotry I’m afraid. I think distorting science to fit with your religion and causing the deaths of thousands of Africans in the process can be more accurately described as such.
You mean you don’t look forward to the the return of castratii?
We distorted science? 1) Pope JP stated that we had nothing against the advances in the 15th century, 2) we embrace science that benefits mankind, 3) Since the Vatican doesn’t have a significant army, Bill Clinton should not have been a wus if you fell that way about the situation there.
Oh the irony!
Care troll is ‘caring’
Brainwashing is evil. Deal with it.
these are the people that let priests molest children. these are the people that tell people in africa that condoms make aids worse. making a joke at their expense is letting them off lightly if you ask me.
Evil is as evil HAS done… It’s called historical fact..
problem with them isnt what they believe. their problem is they are trying to force it upon everyone else. which makes them do evil deeds.
Sigh. It all went wrong at the Council of Nicea.
Debatable. If you notice no one died by the ‘hand of God’ until Jesus was out of the way, and if you read the Gospel of Thomas, there was pretty clearly a schism within weeks of the Crucifixion, if not prior to it, between the Peterine and Jamesians, not to mention the Johanites, who felt that Jesus was a pretender to mantle of John the Baptist (the last large Johanite sect is being systematically wiped out in Iraq by Sunnies and Shi’tes…)
So, it was pretty much screwed before the blow flies had arrived at the body, and was completely screwed by the time the Resurrection narratives were written.
Is “bigot’ a new term for people with a sense of humor? Sometimes it’s really hard to keep up with how language changes….
Apparently.
Hey, I’m a victim, you’re a victim, those poor poor bishops and priests in that picture are victims, all the poor poor Catholics of the world are victims… Let’s all dance around in a big circle of impotent rage because we’re so frickin oppressed by anything and everything and certainly can’t take a joke or see the lighthearted side of anything. There’s BS to wank about on the internet!
tl;dr Get over yourself and lighten up. There’s no bigotry in this lol.
hilarious dont be so up tight.
Jesus doesnt care.
Being dead is a great leveller on the anger front…
Not sure if taking fashion advice from Darth is a good idea; the evil would be too obvious.
Luke… I am *a* father
good one
heh
That’s a better caption than the one they put up. I’ll let you add it.
A-ZING! That being said, I’d hate to know what he made Leia do with that “confession” scene with that robot…Too soon?
hmmm they asked what is happening in the photo, I would think the caption says it all.
This is a pretty epic caption.
Well that explains alot about Darth…
This picture needs no caption, it’s awesome it is!
I like the fail video too. I think it’s called cult fail. Funny stuff.
I think I saw that one, I lol’d muchly.
The fail video is EPIC funny!!! I don’t have the link but Darth slowly follows this procession down the street and around the corner to the doors of where ever they are going. I lol just thinking about it!
OMG There’s a video? Link?
Find the user EddiePesctti (search the page on Eddie, youll find him) and it’s behind his name…
Agreed. It’s just so ridiculous on its own…
I don’t know what is going on in this picture. I’m just going to assume (and hope) that Darth wasn’t being disrespectful, and therefore I can find this picture amazing.
(and yes, I’m Catholic, so if this was done as part of something disrespectful to priests, my opinion of this picture would be slightly less favorable….slightly)
try 2 find the video of it… then you will find out, that at least one of the priest found out and seemed 2 find it pretty funny.
i’ve been raised catholic but am not part oft this religion anymore. but i still think, that humor is one of the things that this religion really needs. not only the priests, monks, nuns, cardinals, popes… whatever… but the whole religion. and therefore this picture (and the video and the whole idea of it) is even more funny for me.
plus… i think if god exists he/she/it has not swallowed a broomstick and noes humor… because if god really brought all of us 2 existance, humor was also his/her/its work.
and – in my humble opinion – disrespect is the pope telling the people that condoms help aids to spread. disrespect is the roman catholic church telling the world that using “the pill” is wrong and having its money in the production firms of it. disrespect is to tell you to love thy neighbour and almost in the same sentence rais hate against other beliefes. disrespect is preaching peace and putting money in weapontrading. disrespect is to not let people decide for them selfs. that and other things alike are disrespect, are using the strength of a religion to raise power, are just simply wrong. i still do beliefe that there is more to the world, that ther is something. but i am not willing to let people who lie, break the law (just think of all the cases of abusing) and are only interested in getting more and more power, tell me what i should belief and how i should belief.
i’m pretty shure that if there is a god he/she/it will not have a problem with me not saying ‘i am a catholic’ but saying ‘i belief’.
and no… i’m not saying that all catholics and all dignitaries of the church are that way. far from it. i just don’t need a church 2 pray or someone telling me how 2 pray. if others do… i’m fine with that.
The sad part is you couch your tirade in assertins of your own “tolerance”.
nah, i’m just telling you my opinion
nobody has to share it.
… and in the “opinion” of your average racist, skin color determines worth.
Their opinion is reprehensible, regardless of any expections of it being shared.
i’m curious… where did i say anything about skin color?
It’s called an “analogy”.
You make a big show of not requiring others to share your opinion, but said opinion is ignorant and bigotted.
i rest my case ^^
I’m sorry, this time I’m not being sarcastic, but what in the hell are you talking about? I read through Siobhan’s post and couldn’t find one single part where she said something bigoted. All she did was state her opinion about things that turned her away from Catholicism but allowed for the fact that not all Catholics were like that. It’s one of the least offensive posts I’ve seen on this site, and that’s saying something.
I especially like her bringing up the pope lying about condoms spreading aids.
He did. you should see their ’science’ projects that ‘prove’ it…
you may like what is behind my name.
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OK… I posted one of the most profound pieces of text written in the latter part of the 20th century and you’ve posted something about fat people.
Can someone remind me why our extinction is a bad thing?
I’ve lost hope…
That wasn’t to me in answer of what you posted. I can’t watch YouTube at work. I was simply trying to track you down and share something funny I found.
ah right.
apologies…
There is the messaging system.
I know, and I should have used it. I apologize for interrupting your train there. Shall I repost your link so it can be seen? (the youtube one)
That series of posts was a delight to read though, quite hilarious really
Well, me being an air-head is a great source of amusement to my husband, I’m glad it brightened your day as well
I couldn’t find Froo’s link. Too hard to figure out where the spaces need to be eliminated, I guess.
Sagan’s got the right attitude though.
Admittedly siobhan post is snide pompous and self-righteous, but that could be said about nearly every bastard on the internet these days. Hell, myself included. If your gonna attack the guy use a bit of tack, and stop making the rest of us look bad.
John Wayne Limbaugh and Myra Coulter both have earned a lot of money from that crap…
@Fester: That was oddly like being put into the Total Perspective Vortex. But I still liked it.
“…use a bit of tack, and stop making the rest of us look bad.
YAY! We can all be TACKY!!
@Diss there are even more TPV vids of that piece out there…
@Fester:
*is about thisclose to hiding under her bed with a box of kleenex*
oh puleeez. what a dirge that is. admittedly, I only made it to 1:42 beofre I was scrabbling for the kill button – was there some sort of twist at the end that made it worth sitting through? Please say yes.
That’s stuff we were discussing with each other in first year high school, thinking we were ‘really deeep an’ stuff’, thinking we were the first to come up with it (and at that stage I had never heard of Carl Sagan. Probably because his stuff was fairly new at the time. Darn I wish I’d kept a note of our pubescent ramblings… we may well have found the answer to the question of the meaning of life quite by accident.
And the background music? Mop and bucket to aisle 9!!!!!
Great, another pseudo-intellectual who thinks they knew everything before other people did.
Makes note: Zeli is not a Vangelis fan…
After 6149 raters have voted 5/5 stars for
the video, we get zeli here, telling us what
it’s all about.
Lucky us.
@zeli: the answer is 42.
@zeli – just to clarify, if you don’t mind, just when did you go to school? was this before or after neil armstrong walked on the moon?
@Fester: Spot on. I try to live a Vangelis-free existence. Had sort of achieved it until just then too… rats.
@grunt: oh yeah. now i just have to remember the question.
@eddiep: didn’t say I thought it up *before* anyone else, just said it wasn’t particularly deep thinking if a bunch of unruly schoolgirls were thinking the same stuff without the benefit of that vid.
@fairie: Contemporaneously.
Zeli, 42 is the answer to the universe.
@ zeli: not to be insanly nitpicky, but the handle is bad fairie
contemporaneously — just because you were a bunch of unruly schoolgirls doesn’t mean there wasn’t some thought seperating the ears – that’s usually why schoolkids are unruly – school can be lame and boring to those who are capable of thought, not to mention thought outside the authorized box. btw, sagan wasn’t the first to
come up with that philosophy, i read it in works of asimov, not his sci-fi stuff either, but in a discussion on the odds this was the only planet to ever develop life. i think that you and your unruly friends might have stumbled into? onto? one of those basic truths, right up there with all gods are one (except maybe the flying spagetti monster and what ever tom cruise pays $$ to)
sorry bad fairie, didn’t mean to insult you, just in lazy typing mode.
I’d read Azimov – only the sci fi stuff at that stage. (Philosophy did, and still does, bore me rigid or drive me nuts in alternating stripes.)
I agree that we’re talking about basic truths. And I think
that’s why that vid made me roll my eyes. It’s not that Sagan is saying anything new or profound, he was thought his view of it was so important he had to write it down. And then the vid maker combined the pompous voice and revolting music and then it’s suddenly it’s deep and amazing.
*sigh*
oh crud. stupid nesting, coudn’t proofread properly, grumble grumble
You know what Sagan was thinking? Cool? I need the Euro Lottery numbers if ytou do predictions as well as mind reading…
Oh and simply because the knife wielding delinquents you hung with thought of (and basically, there’s no guarantee that they did, just your word, which isn’t THAT literate at the best of times) doesn’t mean it’s not actually quite well put. Simply because you have the refinement of a two miles of country road doesn’t make it ‘juvenile’ anywhere other than in your tiny, slightly dull mind…
I can admire you’re cynicism, but really, you seem to have not moved much beyond the ideas of the your cited knife wielding thug friends…
I’m sure they have fulfilling lives working at K-Mart check outs…
@Zeli: I still say you’re a pseudo-intellectual and the last original thought you probably had was whether to have grilled cheese or bologna for lunch. Say what you want about Sagan, but this particular video wasn’t the end all to his knowledge. Are you one of those conspiracy theorists that believe the moon walk didn’t happen either?
ZING!!
at least the conspiracy theorists usually admit the earth is round and circles the sun….there are still some people who swear the earth is flat and the sun circles us….not to mention that the whole cosmos is only 6000 yrs old….
Started to type responses here, decided “why bother?”.
If you guys get off on belittling everyone else, well knock yourselves out, glad to give you the opportunity.
I didn’t realise it was a *private* cynics club, sorry for not reading the invitation correctly. Sometimes – just sometimes – there’s an amusing comment here that doesn’t involve childishly bringing someone else down…. it’s a pity that isn’t allowed to happen more often. (I’m tempted to chant “who made you in charge, you’re not the boss of me… but I get that enough with the kids as it is)
One day there might be the opportunity for someone other thatn fester and his fan club to be allowed to participate in PK without attack. This is my wish for mankind. (fu*k world peace, that’s waaaay to easy by comparison)
No, you see the problem is someone posted a link to a video that even today has meaning for a lot of people. And frankly, some have not had the opportunity to read or hear Carl Sagan. You chose to post a comment that actually disparaged Sagan’s conributions to science with trite words that would indicate that your ‘deep thinking’ was somehow on a par with Sagan. The truth is, until actual photos of earth were taken from millions of miles away did people actually start to grasp the insignificance of what we call home. So while you were ‘thinking’, Sagan was actually doing.
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Maybe you shouldn’t be so sensitive?
@zeli: What Eds said, and maybe you should try not to be so quick to put down what others like, especially if it’s of little consequence to anyone whether you like it or not. As sensitive as you seem about yourself, you don’t seem very considerate of others feelings.
@ zeli said:
“(Philosophy did, and still does, bore me rigid or drive me nuts in alternating stripes.)”
so you don’t think about things outside yourself because it’s boring or makes you nuts?
that reads as being terribly shallow, and if you are religious, not very apt to be a worshiper, but merely a follower. nor does it imply much about your level of social awareness or much else for that matter. that makes you the perfect candidate for a drone, or a fall-guy.
Why are we constantly called “Fester’s Fanclub”? Or is there one that I don’t know about?!
I don’t have a working sound card. Any chance of a link to a transcript? Or an ISBN? Looks like interesting stuff.
Behind my name, the Wiki.
It was Sagan’s idea to take the last photo of earth from Voyager 1, so I’d say that there is an element of ‘originality’ to Zeli’s banal liltte man…
It’s one of the least offensive posts I’ve seen on this site, and that’s saying something.
I’d be inclined to say “It’s onr of the offensive posts I’ve seen on this site, not that says a lot.”
Otherwise, I agree with you. B-Ho seemed way desperate for a fight ..
I agree. It didn’t seem at all offensive, in that Siobhan was saying what they don’t like about the Catholic church, but didn’t preach that they are correct.
B-ho should be B-no. Ha!
um . . . analogy is one thing. hooking ‘racism’ to shioban’s expression of
opinion about the practices of a particular religious organization is what is
usually known in rhetorical arguments as either a diversion or a
’strawman’: a statement or argument thrown out specifically to be
denied, and in the process, obfuscating the original points made so
the audience loses track.
your ‘analogy’ is flawed and unfounded, as you have not made the
‘a is like b’ connection required by the mechanics of rhetorical
argument.
i think God would find more humor in you saying “I belief” since that doesn’t really make any sense. But anyways, sorry you have such a negative view of the Catholic Church.
What’s to take a positive view of?
It was born in blood and still trades on fear, superstition and is an enabler of tyrants….
You have given the response of a closed-minded bigot. It does not reflect well on you.
You need to go back and reread the history of the Catholic Church and the crimes against humanity that were perpetrated in the name of God.
Hard core apologists never want to look into things like that, because it’s hard to explain. But, if we as religious people do not understand the crimes that were committed ‘in the name of God’, then we will be sure to repeat those bigoted excesses. The only way to keep religion as it should be (preaching love, hope, and peace to the world) is to realize was was done by the extremists and ignorant in the past.
Most never realize that the spread of Christianity was as bloody and political as was the spread of Islam. Right from the very beginnings of the church. Much machination and manipulation of the various populaces.
I really don’t think it’s lack of knowledge so much as not wanting to admit it. Denial is a wonderful, cuddly thing when you’re intent on beating people over the head with your Bible to convert them.
Thing is, without the Bible, there’s no story to convert to.
Everyone needs something to thump.
*thumps froo in the head*
Yes, I see what you mean!
*thumps a tub*
Hmmmm, catchy.
*pisses the night away*
Pissin’ the night away….
You know, you may knock me down, but I get up again….
Oooooooooooh, tubthumping..
It’s stuck in my head. Get it out! Get it out!!!
*hands Eric-in-STL the bottle of brain bleach*
If this doesn’t work, you might need the mental floss!
Sing Hey Jude. Works every time.
Nah-nah-nah. Nahnahnahnah. Ow.
Between the sarcasm headache from the astronaut picture and this, I’ve got a serious headache brewing.
Well, you do run into the problem that sometimes the cure is worse than the disease.
Maybe things will look better after a whiskey drink, a vodka drink, a lager drink and a cider drink?
Yeah, actually that sounds pretty… HEY!!!!
Quick! There’s only one cure!!
(kudos to Slan for LINK)
Amanda Palmer is just a teeny tiny bit too awesome for her own good, isn’t she?
Absolutely!
I was just thinking. What if, during an exorcism, it’s determined that the ghost/demon/poltergeist is Buddhist or Hindu? What then?
I’d refer you to Graham Masterton…
With a penis…
well, that too.. sadly..
It becomes very hollow when I realize that my joke is too real to be funny…
I’m sorry.. you I never meant to detract from the funny..
Eh, my own fault and self reflection are to blame. We cool, homie.
Eds,
Are you familiar with the Pale Blue Dot?
If not, look it out on Youtube. I think you’ll like it…
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talking about the Crusades? why yes, I do know my church history. No one ever said that everything the catholic church has ever done was good. there have been times in history when there were some bad people in charge of the church, and some regrettable things happened. But, trying to hold that one over us and somehow implying that I would be down with another crusade is the same thing as saying that every german person today would be down with killing all the jews. Or are you trying to imply that I condone child molestation?
But thanks for thinking I’m stupid and don’t know any history
Is your name B-ho? Because that is who he is talking to. So are you an idiot or a person with a sock?
Sorry, you walked into that one.
discussions generated by lols like these always make me sadface. i dunno why. i’ve recently come into the view that no matter what, humans as a species are doomed. we are the only creatures capable of hate, whther of ourselves or others, and the rampant evils in the world far outweigh the good and make me depressed. i’ve been holed up in my apartment the past 2 months drowing myfelf in Austen to remember better times when the world had more hope.
i know this is way off topic…sorry
we are the only creatures capable of hate
You don’t know many cats, do you? :p
heh. i have a cat. she isn’t normal by any means, she acts more like a dog. if i’m home, she’s in my lap if i’m sitting, or curled up next to me if i’m laying down, or if i’m standing/walking around she’s at me feet. if i’m outside on the porch, she sits in the window and watches me and talks to me till i come back inside. she’s always in the window waiting for me when i leave/arrive home.
i’ve never seen such a dedicated creature, more than a dog even.
and cats don’t hate, they are indifferent.
I was trying to be a little jocular in my response. ;p And there are animals who can behave in ways that are quite impossible to separate from hatred. But sure, thanks to civilisation and the kinds of social structures we build, we have a vast number of other ways to hate. Pros and cons.
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But that said, yeah – I’ve met a few “dog-cats” too.
I had a roommates cat, with whom I had been great buddies. And then I moved out. She shunned me every time I came to visit after that (the cat, not the roommate!) She would walk in the room, glance at me, and then walk past , pointedly turning her head away from me. That cat was PO’ed!
I had a cat who would show her back to me, to indicate that she was sorely pissed. If I left the room, she would follow me, then turn her back to me again, indicating that she was *still* ignoring me…
Rho, that beats hell out of peeing/crapping/hairballing on stuff she knows you like to indicate her level of displeasure. It’s actually kinda cute!
I don’t remember where, but I read that cats don’t pee or poop out of spite…?
Yes, ol’ Jezebel was great! I could gain forgiveness, no matter how large my sin, by letting her drink out of the faucet. We had a great coexistence.
Here’s something to that effect. [LINK]
In general, I know that’s true, but….you had to know her. She’d give you this LOOK. And it wouldn’t be random, and she’d normally use the
box just fine; it was always when she had a reason to be mad and never just in some old corner or something, it would be on the sweater you just set on the bed while you were getting dressed…there was some thought process there, I’m pretty sure! She was an unusually smart cat, though.
Wow–That sounds waaay beyond the usual expected cat behavior spectrum! I’m voting your way in that instance–YIKES!!
i be liking you.
i’m one of those people who can’t see animals having emotions the same way people do, which i guess is hard to explain. i no they can have fear/happiness/exciement/frustration, but they seems more surface quick changing emotions and not really deep. more insticual, like a baby’s. unlike a baby they dpon’t grow up and have deeper more meaningful thoughts.
i dunno what i’m talking about, lol. i wish there were a way for us to understand them better, learn to know what they are saying. like a dog/cat translator. that would be cool, something along the lines of that dog collar from the trailer for “UP”, i feel that they would really have those simpolistic thoughts.
Hmm. Yeah, I’m also leaning towards being quite convinced that they behave in a much more direct relation to their surroundings than we humans do. This brings both positives and negatives for us. We have much more complex moral codes – but this doesn’t only bring negatives. We may be the only hating animal (I honestly wish I knoew more etology) but we are probably also the only ones capable of mercy, love, open-mindedness and kindness, as we define them.
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As for knowing what they think… Yes, that would be fun, but I’ve found most animals are best handled when you stop trying to think of what they’re thinking and start thinking about what they’re instincts are when it comes to reacting to any situations.
I do enjoy the top of the food tree hubris we Down’s Syndrome chimpa have.
Did that come out as sarcastic? I do hope so…
I must agree. Conformity to our logic set and emotion set does not define intelligence or emotional capacity.
Even if it did, there are plenty of examples of pets saving their owners from fire, finding their ways home (psi trailing), grieving a loss, etc.
Has nobody else seen a cat get embarrassed after having a less-than-graceful moment?
rhorho – i know what you are saying, but i’ve read articles that a cat or dogs’ “displeasure” and the peeing/pooping thing is more of a reaction to something changing in it’s environment than in any actual displeasure. it’s confusion. take for example my cat, in my super-way-to-long of a post below i mention her peeing on the floor. this usually only occurs when something has drastically changed in her environment. she did it when i rearranged the furniture, she did it when i had to relocate her littler box, she did it when i bought my pet snake, and she doese it everytime i have to put my motorbike in the front room during a rainstorm because my apartment complex doesn’t have any decent parking. now this is just my personal experience with my cat. she has her favorite spots, and her little routines, but i think it’s nothing more than a habit, and a general upheavel of those habits cause confusion that the articles mentioned said will caquse the “signs of displeasure”. i think it is us personifying and personalizing those reactions more than we should that make people think cats can hold grudges or do things to piss you off. i don’t think it’s an emotional grudge, i think it’s a learned response. as for saving owners, and tracking thier way home, lots of animals can find thier way home over territories of vastness. i don’t think it’s through emotion so much as “i must find the hand that feeds me”. Dang! I wish i could find those article again! i need sources. while a lot of this is personal opinion and observation, there were some actual studies, and articles a research done, i’m just having trouble finding them.
though, a really cool program was nova’s (or was it nature’s?) program about a month back on cats and dogs our relationships with them. it was on PBS, and i think you can watch it for free on thier site or netflix it, you should totally check it out.
oh! BTW, the nova program is actually more in agreement with you than with me, but i found it captivating anyway, i’ll post a link if i can find it!
Would you please Google “cat saves owner,” and read a couple of articles? There are 32,200,000 from which to choose. Some are flukey and some are duplicates, but I think you will get my point after
a page or two.
And, again, that is just using *our* measure of what intelligence and emotion are.
@Rho: I haven’t done that but I am thinking of a story I heard not
too long ago about a woman whose cat started sleeping by her head
for unknown reasons. This woman went to the doctor and they found
tumors in her brain.
Is this what you are referring to? Animals are eerie in how they know
what is wrong with us..
I googled it and read the first two stories and then thought, “Well ov course those cats saved their owners. The cats can’t open their own cans of food!”
LOL!! That’s it: Anything to save the one with those tricky thumbs!
Seriously, we humans are mighty selfish, calling animals stupid because *we* don’t understand how they work. When I was a kid, we were told that humans were the only animals who knew how to use tools. That was disproved. Then it was language. Then it was emotion. Then it was…
Anthrocentrism dictates that whatever doesn’t operate in a way that humans liken to themselves is *less than* human. I hate that stuff.
Oh crap I have tumours in my brane!!
@charro: you too? mine ate the part that does short term memory and communication….some days i aspire to be as verbal as rainman,
other days i wear a name tag so i remember who i am, lol. but life is good. unlike mccain, i don’t need depends
anyhows, my oldest used to have a cat that would pee/poo/hair ball on any new clothing/shoes/etc she’d bring in the house, yet the cat never messed on anything that belonged to the live-in bf- very selective cat. we’ve seen her look for something to foul on, moving his things out of the way if necessary, and then if she noticed we saw her, she’d sit there with an expression of ‘yeah, i did that, now what are you going to do about it!’
animals might not ‘operate’ just like people, but given exposure to good humans who relate to the animal, they do develope personalities and individual character traits that in many ways mimic
3-5 yr old human children. and animals do remember, just watch any animal that has been abused – they will respond to a trigger years after the event.
I once adopted an adult cat from the shelter–he had been pooping on previous owner’s boyfriend’s stuff. The only time he missed the litter in my house box was the one night I closed him in the basement by mistake. Steaming pile on the top of the stairs. I figured I had earned that one.
I think the previous owner would have been smarter to have dumped the boyfriend and kept the cat–he was one loving cat, every day!
@bad fairie: I adopted a “teenager” cat from a shelter. She was terrified of children and brooms until the day she died. I don’t know what had happened to her, but she remembered it for 20 years.
We have three, a ginger boy that is the undisputed leader. A ragdoll that is more like a savant, smart as hell, but a total ‘tard in other ways. and a bermin that is loving as hell, but is also evil at it’s core. I wouldn’t trade in the ginger cat for anything, but the other two I might consider. It just goes to show that having a purebreed isn’t always the best option.
My dog is a neurotic freak and we got him pretty young. He has an unholy fear of cameras in all forms. Even if we get a new camera that he’s never seen before he knows what it is and runs away. If you do manage to take a picture of him he usually has a seizure before the day is out. Right now he’s cureled up in my room just a foot from my chair and he NEVER comes in here, so I don’t know what his weird deal is today.
*curled* Stupid firefox.
@Jane:
Is your dog afraid of cell phones with cameras?
Hm. Damned work and deadlines keeping me away from the funny conversations here. :p
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The human-animal relations are very, very interesting, I think. What I was trying to get at in my earlier posts in this thread was that I don’t think we are “the only ones who can hate” or have other emotions. (We have access to some exclusive manifestations of emotions though, I am fairly certain.)
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But I see so much stupidity being done around animals because people think “they’re just like humans, they only look a bit different” to make me slightly allergic against that.
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Just felt the need to slightly clarify. I think it came across as if I said animals are incapable of emotions, which was not how I intended it. :p
Ok, because of my poor typing skills and being rather disctracted by said cat, i feel the need to explain myself better, (although your comment below is really really good, and probably best sums up the whole discussion, i’m going to be repetitious anyway, for my own good if not for others).
I recently aquired a godson. He will be turning one next month, for which we are all very excited (kind of like “Look! We haven’t f*cked up yet! He’s made it to a year!). Up until his mother called me about the pregnancy, I’ve never had more than a passing realtion with pregnant women or babies. I’m queer, single, celibate, and I live in FL, so the propect of spewing forth my own progeny into the world anytime soon is pretty low. The father was unavailable during most of the pregnancy and the first 6 months of the Gabriel’s life, not through any fault of his or ours, circumstances were just as they were. As godfather i had to step in. I attended all the pre-natal and post-natal courses provided by Mom’s natural birthing clinic, and I was the birthing partner as well. That in and of itself was a fascinating experience, and the the labor/birth one of the most amazing and beautiful things i’ve ever been a part of. Watching Gabriel grow up this past year is the only thing that exceeds that.
Dad is back now too, and our happy family has been much overjoyed in everything. I get to babysit about once or twice a week, and once the Rents get home from work we all get to hangout with Gabriel until he falls asleep and then we get adult time, where we mostly spend it talking about Gabriel, and all our little observations.
He began walking about 2 months ago, and a whole new world of trouble/awesomeness opened up for us. He’s also beggining to understand and mimick speech more. One problem with the walking is that he now can explore more and, being a baby, has the assumption that nearly anything he can pick up will be food, or at least add to his list of flavors. We try not to restrict him in areas of movement, only it what he attempts to pick up and stick in his mouth. We have moved from having to grab his hand and pull it out, to telling him “No” in a slightly raised and firmer then usual voice. He’s beginning to respond to that more and more, whether it’s the word itslef, or the tone of delivery I’m not sure. We’ve tried lightly experimenting to find out, but don’t want to push it to far and start confusing him. But he seems to be responding more the the word “No” then directly the tone of delivery. We can say “No” and little bit less demandingly harsh and more as general statement and he tends to listen. However, being a baby, and either through deviousness or forgetfullness, doesn’t always listen to us and tries to stick whatever object he’s going for into his mouth.
Thus mom and dad have moved into even newer territory the past two weeks. If Gabriel doesn’t listen, he gets a slight pop on the hand, and after the third pop gets a walking time out, be being put in his stoller and not allowed to wonder about. I, as Godfather, have refused to partake in the hand popping, not because I think it is wrong, but because I’m not the official parent, and don’t feel I have that right. I do partake in the “No”s, but not the physical aspect of the punishment. Mom and Dad feel like crap every time they have to pop a hand. They don’t plan on using physical punishment forever, but feel that right now, with lack of language and understanding, it’s the most direct route. And the time outs are also setting a precident for future punishment alternatives. They never pop his hand hard, normally just enough to get his attention and/or knock the object out of his grasp. Now sometimes Gabriel will cry or whimper for a few moments, some times he will just continue on his way. But what completely cracks me up is how quickly he gets over it. He doesn’t have the emotional understanding or language comprehension to know the full extent of the goings-on. Say he was six instead of nearly one and Mom or Dad had to pop his hand for something, he would then feel resentment, and might be upset for a longer period of time, but as a baby he pretty quickly gets over it, normally through distraction. They other day when Gabriel, Dad , and I were walking, he picked up someone’s discarded cig butt and put it in his mouth before we realized what he was doing. We told him no and took it away and threw it in the trash. Not two minutes later he found another one (these people! the world is NOT an ashtray!) this time we told him “NO!” as soon as we saw it, but he grabbed it and moved towards his mouth anyways. Dad stopped his arm and popped his hand, making Gabriel drop it. To my eyes, it was not a hard spop at all, just enough to be felt and for the hand to give up it’s prize. But for the first time ever Gabriel really dissaproved and let us know with his lungs. For about 5 seconds he started to really get into a fit, he was beginning a scream and tears were forming. As all this occured terror swept Dad’s face, he was thinking maybe he actually had popped the hand to hard and was just reaching for Gabriel when Gabriel turned away and began to walk faster then usual. Gabriel tripped/lost his balance and keeled over, which made us even more worried at first. However, the result was incredibly amusing! Upon hitting the gound he immediately stopped crying, set himself aright, and began walking back towards Dad happy as a clam. The fall completely distracted him from the loss of the potential flavor and the punishment for not listening. He’s a tough little tyke, has taken all manner of falls rather well. The only time he gets upset about falling over is if we get upset. We follow him closely, making sure his path stays clear of potential harm, but when he falls over, we normally let him set himself aright, only once has he ever been upset by a fall, and that was when he bumped his head a bit hard on the ground, but once he set himself up he was fine and only whimpered for a few moments.
The point of all this is my comparision earlier of animals rudimentary emotions/reactions to those of an infant. They can niether speak nor understand what we say to them. It is all tonal. Sometimes just for shits and giggles I’ll talk to my cat while we are cuddling in the sweet talking to animals gvoice. I’ll scratch her head, and instead of saying “What a sweet kitty” I’ll say “What a dirty little wh*re!”. She has no idea what I’m saying, but understands the gentle tone of voice and purrs away. Same thing, when she doese something I disapprove of (peeing on the floor), I’ll grab her and stick her nose in it and pop her lightly, but instead of saying “BAD KITTY!” in a raised angry voice, I say “I LOVE YOU” in a raised angry voce. She doesn’t repond to the words, just the tone. If she starts messing with something in the room that she isn’t supposed to mess with, instead of saying “STOP” I’ll say something nonsensical like “CABBAGE!”, again, she stops not for the word but for the tone. Gabriel and other babies are like this for a certain period of time, but with babies we don’t use nonsense because they will start to understand thier emotions, language, and reasoning more overtime and can learn. Cats, and other animals, are more instinctually emotional and will sulk for a short time, but as soon as you produce food, or a kinder tone after a punishment is metered out, they bounce back quickly like Gabriel currently bounces back. Gabriel in the future however, unles he has a really incredibly pleasant disposition won’t bounce back so quickly. He’ll learn to resent being punished or not allowed something, and will learn to begrudge authority, and feel rebellious, and be able to express those feelings more fluently. People often talk about animals and thier language, but I don’t think birds, or cats, or dogs, have 20 different words for sex, or have inidivdual names for the types of food they are eating, i think it’s just “food” to them, not “canned food” or “dried food” or “Tuna” or “chicken”, it is all food. they may have prefferences, but the only way the express them is through acceptance or refusal of the food. Meows, barks, chirps, purrs, and growls are all expressions of emotion or one concept ideas like “danger” or “food” i feel, not really a language.
These are the differences, humans can develop those skills and atributes, and have that deeper understanding and comprehension. Watching Gabriel’s advacement makes life so much more interesting and brings ideas that i never really considered before. I hope this makes sense, and i am sorry for the longevity.
Brevity is the soul of wit much?
rhorho: Brevity is the soul of wit much?
me:*chirp* *chirp* *chirp*
also: pets saving people stories= cuteness
All in all you’re just another brick in the wall of text. Holy crap. LOL
I actually read all of that. I’m happy that i_tego’s godson has such a cool godfather. <3
Also, while it IS long, it looks longer than it really is because it’s so far down in the nesting.
You say animals call all foodstuff “food” not canned or dry food. I’m going to have to argue that point. My cats (all five of them) get dry food everyday. Gushy foods are a treat. When out of dry foods, the children will act up by running around a bit and just get under foot until the bowls are full. Gushy foods however, get a full out opera of chirrups, meows and demanding squawks. And, if I go into the kitchen and pick up anything that even remotely resembles said gushy foods, the encore commences. They definitely call these by different names and understand the differences betweeen the two.
‘Regrettable things’??
Understatement of the year.
The sad truth is that humans as a whole have done atrocious things to each other, largely for their own power. Today I’ve been reading up on the life of Rasputin.. that story in itself is proof to me that people can use faith and religion to justify whatever they want. Thousands murdered, millions mistreated.. religion has the blackest history you could ever imagine. But somehow I still believe at the heart of it there was something pure once. And to me, its all about stripping down the human influence, the human drives’ behind teachings, and getting back to what they really meant.
In my humble experience, the Catholic church has spent too much effort masquerading under the title ‘Catholic’, and not nearly enough time focusing on what the real message is.
Don’t forget dear old Father Pavelic… [link]
Not just “the crusades”: how about the massacre at Acre, the massacre of the Cathars, the subjugation and murder of most of the Americas from Mexico and continuing south from there… wake up man!
Don’t forget dear old Father Pavelic… [link]
PK swallowed the first version of this…
Don’t forget dear old Father Pavelic…
You may enjoy the (watered down) story of Fr. Ante Pavelic, linked.
PM,
try this for a small amount of amusement.
tinyurl dot com/d6dsjv
It’s quite heavily sanitised, since it doesn’t mention the Germans’ distaste for working with him…
Just when I think I can get over my prejudices and actually relax around those descendants of Abraham…
Indeed… Same as it ever was, same as it ever was…
and don’t forget about the spanish inquisistion, or the ‘forced’ conversions of jews throughout europe during the middle ages,
or the witch hunts of europe that contaminated the protestant
splinters
wake up? find me one group of people / country that hasn’t ever done anything wrong. Also, the crusades started about 900 years ago. The world was a lot different back then, I would imagine, and context is sort of important when it comes to stuff like this. Oh, and “the subjugation and murder of most of the americas” sounds a lot like The Requirement, unless there’s something else i missed
you’ve still not said why the Church of Rome isn’t a cult…
mostly because you’re kind of a twat and i don’t feel like talking to you. there’s really no way either of us is going to change the other’s mind about it, so why waste time talking?
I’m a lot of a twat, God boy, and I don’t want to change your mind, I just wanted t make you look more of a prick than you’ve already managed…
So, how about the San Paplo rent a crowd to intimidate that
woman whose incestuously raped 9 year old daughter had
an abortion? Where does that fit in the wonderful world of enlightened Catholicism?
Of course you’ve got the whole [silly voice]“I dun wan talk yo teh nastee man… he’s nastee!!!111 eleventy-one…”[/silly voice] thing to hide behind.
Of course it’ll be painfully obvious that either you can’t apologise your way out of it, or are simply a barbarian who approves of the Church’s handling of the issue, since the Church is always right (and then claim it’s not a cult)
But like you say, I’m a twat, but I’m not tacitly approving of people being forced into silence and insanity on the say so of some debauched old Nazi who happened to parley his way to the top of one of the most corrupt institutions outside of high finance… So, what sort of ‘twat’ does that make you, God boy?
Since Safford is busy hiding behind something rather than face the mean nasty man, I’ll tell you what kind of a ‘twat’ you are, Unc:
You’re the kind who calls a spade a spade.
You’re the kind who uses the inconvenience of history to remind people of the past they have tried to ignore.
You’re the kind who uses current events to demonstrate the perpetuation of the crimes against the gullible.
You’re the kind who makes people uncomfortable, because you point out exactly why their “la-la-la” attitude doesn’t change Fact One.
Calling you names is easier than facing facts and dealing with reality, ‘twat.’
He’s also the kind who pretty much hates everything even remotely religious. But, just as it’s my right to have those beliefs, it’s fester’s right to think I’m stupid for having them and saying so. And it’s my right to disagree with him
So, you agree with the Vatican over the handling of that, God botherer?
Froo, are you *sure* you wanted to jump in at this precise point, considering the valid argument that remains unanswered?
I’m not jumping in on an argument, rather, I’m making a comment about Fester. Considering our past history over religion, I think we both have pretty clearly defined views on the subject.
A rational discusion of why the catholic church is not a cult is at
ttp://whyiamacatholic.com/SSPX/ChurchCult.htm
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I guess you can’t post a link.
Link doesn’t work, with an “h” in front.
thank you.
I probably shouldn’t jump in without a link here, but it’s Sunday night and I don’t feel like searching. I think I heard recently that when a lot of the abuse scandals were hitting the press the Catholic Church did some financial wrangling that made it possible for them to protect the bulk of the church’s assets at the vatican and made each individual diocese responsible for paying out when they got sued. It struck me that the church probably has more antiques and artwork hidden in their vaults that they’ve managed to protect for centuries, yet my grandmother still gives my mother dirty looks when she doesn’t put enough in the collection plate.
Hardly ‘rational’… just apologetic.
Table – DIFFERENCES between the Catholic Church and Cults
Point 1 – FALSE. The clergy and dogma tells
you what the bible means, wrote the ‘church
law’ in the first place, as well as the ‘other
Catholic Authorities’ Basically it’s a circular
argument that actually states “The leader
is the sole source of authority for the group”
- in that the leader is a committee, not an
individual is moot.
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Point 2 – FALSE. There is a lot of stuff that
one is handed when joining that isn’t ‘in
the brochure’, espeically when it’s foisted on
you as a child.
I’ll handle the second sub point down the line.
Third sub point: Again, the fact that they
take children proves this point as false…
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Point 3 – FALSE. The amount of pressure on
spouses to convert if marrying a catholic is
a matter of record. Who you can associate
with etc. is in terms of the ‘great commission’,
same as all the other cults of Christ except
the Amish and similar. As to reading, despite
the abolition of Index Librorum Prohibitorum,
the ‘moral force’ is held still to be there, and
in the anti-Vatican II sects it is still enforced.
In terms of political pressure, and influence,
one only has to look at the history of the
Member of Parliament David Alton.
These lads want to RULE
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Point 4: FALSE: The weasel word ‘physical’.
Admittedly, the baptists do physical
‘interventions’ in the US, but they’re a cult
too. If someone attempts to leave the
church, a huge amount of psychological
pressure is placed up on them. If someone
is thrown out, then a huge amount of
pressure is placed on them to ‘atone’ and
come back…
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Point 5: Tenuous if not specious. Not a valid
point.
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Point 6: Literacy for the masses was never
a Catholic trait. Just being the biggest and
first cult really doesn’t help. In fact, part of
Luther’s objections were around the nature
of church teaching, and one of the biggest
projects in the founding of the Church of
England was the translation of the bible
from Latin to English.
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Point 7: FALSE. Confidential and even
hidden records are kept. The Vatican’s
refusal to hand over the records of
“Butcher of the Balkans” I tiny linked to
illustrates the depth of ‘hidden recording’,
and cultic behaviours…
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Point 8: FALSE. The handling of the Child
abuse cases that have come to light to
date mean this is an out right lie.
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Point 9: Acknowledged, partially. When a
Catholic child is in a non-Catholic school
they are usually exempt from morning
assembly, if there is a religious tone to it,
and any Religious Ed classes. This is still
common practice in the EU.
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Point 10: FALSE. The church of Rome has
held on in places it’s been outlawed time
after time, often using physical force to
re-establish itself.
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Point 11: Acknowledged, although you do
get the Church turning out in force to see
a wealthy, ill, relative, and turning up with
pressure to donate on the behalf of the
deceased…
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Point 12: FALSE. Zombies are rational? There is so much irrational in the cults of Christ, that it’s hard to know where to begin…
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Point 13: Maybe true on paper. Not a church likes to be told it’s wrong.
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Point 14: Irrelevant. Although the Pope’s comments on Condoms in Africa recently may just prove this to be false.
continued
Point 15:Bullshit. The church has destroyed
books since just after Nicaea. Literacy wasn’t
even that much encouraged in copyists, and
for the laity it was actively discouraged.
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Point 16:Bullshit. It’s JUST where the church
recruits.
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Point 17: Specious.
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Point 18: Restatement of 17
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Point 19: FALSE. The church uses the same
indoctrination methods as other cults. The only
variance is that post Korea, the methods of
indoctrination have become more
mechanised in other cults.
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Bascially, the cited piece is poor apologetics,
trying to claim that oranges and apples are
not both fruit.
Superficially, it may be convincing, but
really, it’s just one cult saying it’s different,
when at the base, it’s not. It wants your
heart and mind for its own purposes.
Having said all that… it’s not a parcel
different from every other cult of Christ out
there.
don’t think i’ve made myself look like a prick. and, not really hiding behind anything. Just been busy doing other things to advance my life rather than sitting here trying to make myself feel better by sitting here trying to start an argument with someone on the computer. Also, the picture is no longer on the front page of the site, and I haven’t really cared enough to click the “next” button to find it. see ya later!
But you cared enough to check up on this anyway… So yea, I am sensing hypocrisy.
just curious to see how many new comments there were after the usage of the word “twat” because it’s a pretty awesome word. Heaven forbid
And here you are again, indeed. Heaven forbid that your words have any actual meaning to you…
twat – slang term – depending on area,
either ‘female genitalia’ or a kipper made
made from something a bit bigger than a
sild, but smaller than a full grown herring…
lets see, what is it called when there is deliberate mass extermination of a specific group of people… oh yes, i think that is called genocide. and yes, the crusades started way back when, but the culture of genocide carried forward even into today’s social attitudes.
i will give you the context argument – after all context is only important if you are on the victorious side, right? and you don’t believe that what happened in the past is affecting lives today do you?
or The Requirement that was read by the spanish when they conquered the new world? See? I know things. But I guess you haven’t read anything more to know that these people really truly believed in their heart of hearts that they were doing God’s will…as misguided as they may have been
1) is that a reason, or an excuse?
2) For most of them, it was about the money, despite the PR
it wasn’t meant to be a reason or excuse. I was told I needed to go back and read some history. so i did. and that’s what history says.
“I was told I needed to go back and read some history.”
As has already been pointed out – unless you are B-Ho, then no. No, you weren’t.
B-no!
>> But I guess you haven’t read anything more to know that these people really truly believed in their heart of hearts that they were doing God’s will…as misguided as they may have been
Members of the Westboro Baptist “Church” truly seem to believe that they are doing “God’s will.” It doesn’t excuse them, or any other cult, from responsiblity for their actions.
A very valid point…
First, the catholic church is not a cult, if that is what you are implying. and secondly, i didn’t say it excused them from the responsibility of their actions. I’m just telling you what I know, and what historical documents from the time show. didn’t say it was right, did i? If people look closely, pretty sure i said they were “misguided”, which means I think they were wrong in what they did.
Of course it’s a cult, you moron. It has every major feature of a cult.
ah, coming back with insults on my intelligence. Stay classy
You make idiotic comments, I’ll call you an idiot.
A cult is a group paying allegiance to an idea or a commanding personality.
Synonyms include: Band, body, church, clan, clique, creed, denomination, faction, faith, following, party, persuasion, religion and school.
Oh crap the school band is a cult?!
Marching together, wearing the same uniform? Of course!
Oh noes!!! So what do they REALLY do at band camp?!
They never would tell me. Must be secret rites?!?!
what happens at Band Camp stays at Band Camp
and the rules
Never discuss Band Camp
Never was in a band, but you only have to
hear one band’s version of “Play that Funky
Music” to know they are up to NO GOOD!
Never discuss band camp…
Incorrect answer. The Catholic Church *is* a cult.
It has a Supreme Leader whom, if you contradict him, will banish you to enternal torture. You must follow his commands without question for they are right and all else is wrong, no matter how much proof can be given. Books and other media that offers conflicting viewpoints with those of the church’s are banned, burned, and protested. Crusades are led against non-cult members simply for being exactly that.
The Catholic Church is a cult. Please stop talking out of your ass.
The truth always hurts.
I’ve given the response of a political realist, who knows a good pay out when he sees it, but, alas, has more morals than to try to cash in on the essential need of humanity to have an abusive parent.
All you’ve proven is that you’re inane…
I went to a Catholic university (not actually catholic myself, though) and believe it or not, even the history class I took there told a lot about the corruption and atrocities from the Catholic church.
Don’t get me wrong. Not everything Catholic is evil…
(get your hankies out)
My wife had been pregnant last month and had to deliver 20 weeks too early. Our baby died within two hours of being born. This was at a Catholic hospital, and I have to say the sisters at that hospital were wonderful people who did a great job of helping us through a tragic situation. As someone who is normally hardcore against the Catholic church, it made me feel better to know that there is still plenty of good coming from it too.
Not even sure I had a point here, except that the church has plenty of nastiness to it, but there are plenty of people in it that are really good.
Oh wow, I am so sorry for your loss Eric. It’s good that you had kind people around you. Man…where’s that hankie?
I appreciate that. And in response to a question from a little while back, that’s where I was when I was gone for a little while. Or at least part of that time. :-\
*hugs* I’m sorry for your and your wife’s loss, Eric
I agree with SB, I’m glad that you had good people around you to help.
I’m sorry, too, Eric! Is your wife’s health okay?
I remember asking about your absence. I hope I didn’t make a lame joke at the time. If so, of course, I’m sorry.
I hope your family recovers well.
I’m so sorry Eric. Hugs to you and to your wife.
Same here, Eric.
Thanks, everyone. I do appreciate it.
*has a sad for Eric*
Yeah, her health is fine. It’s just a really hard thing to get past.
From my mother’s experience I would say, let yourself mourn. It is a real loss, and you need to let yourself take the time to heal emotionally as well as physically.
*hug*
I’m glad to hear that she’s physically okay. The
rest will ease a little with time. Again, I’m sorry
to hear about your loss.
Anything that gets you through the dark…
Read this late, hope it’s not too late to give Eric a hug and say how sorry I am.
I’m always open for hugs.
*Hug*
*Squeeeeeeze*
Thanks…but…can’t…breathe…
*releases*
My bads
I can’t say that I have shared your experience as I haven’t lost a child but I do recall when Orion was born with a bluish tint and I saw that cord around his neck so I understand your pain. I remember the silent horror and Lynn asking about him with me wanting to withhold comment for as long as possible while the doctor’s resusitated him. It is still a memory that chills the blood and I can only imagine the gaping horror you felt and probably still feel from time to time from losing such a precious part of you.
So belated as it is, I grieve for your loss as you’ve always been person worth my time to read and in my own arrogant way, I appreciate that so it is saddening that you had to endure such a trial. Like the others, I am glad that you had comfort available for both you and your wife.
/babbling
religion is a choice. being criticized for bad decisions is fair game.
You mean bad choices? Hehe.
“religion is a choice. being criticized for bad choices is fair game.”
“religion is a choice. being criticized for bad decisions is fair game.”
Hurm…
The first version is somehow clumsy to my ear. People you can decide between two choices… The fact they can’t use a shift key seemed more glaring, but then we’ve had an influx of people who don’t use capitalisation.
Well I was trying to subtly point out that “religion is a choice and a bad one”. That’s what I thought of when I read it.
Hell, the two statements could be referring to two totally different things, but that’s why I put the “Hehe”.
*sad that her humor is only understood by her*
it wound up as decision != choice…
*still sad her humour is only understood by her*
guilty as charged, but claim defective keyboard on borrowed laptop.
also has sticky i, missing p & =, one defective shift key and one that works on a hit or miss basis, a hypersensitive touch mouse and worn out stick mouse thingy. plus the volume has two choices – none, and blaring. but it runs which is more than i can say for my tower ;(
Well, rumor has it that the ‘little folk’ have a poor relationship with technology… Magic and electronics don’t mix well?
Whereas we vikings tend to break such things directly–as in “bad computer”! *smash*
lol, nope, magic and electronics don’t mix well
regardless of what spells i cast or how much
fairie dust i sprinkle
if i can give god a good laugh with my poor english… i’d be glad to do it over and over again
Don’t worry about it. An attack on grammar is the last recourse of someone who has nothing better to say. I liked your post.
Is English not your first language?
Here here.
As a person with faith I agree with your sentiments.
And as a believer in human rights, it is not racist or hate speech to say that I detest teachings which go against the UN Declaration of Human Rights.
You do realise, of course, that those are Norwegian, Lutheran bishops.
You know, the schismatic heretics, not catholics.
You say potato…
Now, now… the left footers are justifying… no need to go spoiling it with the facts of the matter…
Hypocrisy alert!
I’m not a Christian, so how am I hypocrite?
Because it’s much easier to call you a hypocrite than to form a cogent argument.
I did not know that.
Not really, but good try..
I don’t know what they are, but they’re certainly not Catholic.
Because, number one, the bishop (or whatever he is) would be wearing a Mitre_
and number two, there are no orders of priests that wear those weird neck things
within the Church.
You never know, they might have just gotten fixed and the Pope didn’t want them to gnaw their stitches….
I dunno… my dog’s like Houdini with a cone. He bends it more than an Escher painting and chews himself raw before we get up in the morning.
*brain asplodes trying to imagine an Escher dog cone*
I think that’s the appropriate response for all of Escher’s work. On the other hand, I wish they really made these so I could wear them. [link]
Except that I think that would be a bit uncomfortable…?
Well, if they were loose and like those live strong bracelets they wouldn’t. Or even like those knotted friendship bracelets. As long as it wasn’t skin tight.
Shouldn’t that be WWMD? (What Would Möbius Do?)
I’ll leave that up to the guys at xkcd. Math is not my forte.
Ah yes. Sorry. That’s what I get for trying to rely on my memory.
Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa.
I think this is less “disrespectful” and more “irreverent” so don’t worry.
Although either way I find it hilarious. I understand wanting to take your faith seriously, but religion is an entirely different animal. Faith is between you and God. Religion is out there for everyone to see. And mock. The best thing you can do is laugh along with them.
haha, it is a very funny picture. though i am quite protective of the catholic faith. and i very rarely can’t find fun in things that laugh at the catholic faith…I even laughed the south park episode with the menstruating virgin mary statue
There you go.
I just switched from Catholic to Episcopal (and it took me a minute to figure out who these guys were because they’re quite obviously neither) and I love jokes about Jesus/the church. You just have to be secure enough in your faith to laugh at your religion. I mean come on, we’re freaking hilarious!
I was raised Episcopalian (my dad is an Episcopal priest). When others have asked about the Episcopal Church, I’ve described it as Catholic Lite; all the ceremony without all the guilt. My dad says it should be 1/3 less guilt.
You may like Father Ted… I know the DVD is available across the English speaking world…
Father Ted used to come on BBCAmerica and I love it. If it’s out on DVD here, I may just have to buy it.
“Tentacles of Doom” is probably my favourite ep… followed by ‘Night of the Nearly Dead’
I’m not Catholic or Christian… but I still don’t think this caption is funny.
Actually, this is at the Lambeth Conference of Anglican bishops in July 2008.
Actually, here’s the link and it’s in Iceland.
Link was missing from your post, but I Googled and you’re right. Oops.
If someone’s name is blue and s/he says s/he has a link, you can
get to the link by clicking his/her user name.
Come on it is Darth and a “bunch of chuch guys” it is funny!
Actually it is, and the video is even funnier..
Again.. the actual footage. It really wasn’t that hard to find.. *sigh*
Fun! Thanks EddieP!
Eds, you have to remember, Google is beyond the wit of most…
No dispute there.. it’s amazing most even know how to open a web page.
Sent you a message.
Got it! That is an awesome video and there’s just something about listening to Sagan narrating. I have Cosmos and pull it out often and just read through it. While I may not agree with everything Sagan says, you can’t dispute alot of the things he says.
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For those that want to know, click on my name.. it’s a great video and worth watching (actually, listening too).. Thanks Fester..
I miss Carl Sagan. “Billions and billions” of Carl Sagans… The younger generations really missed out.
I find the only places I disagree with Sagan these days are in the places where Sagan would disagree with Sagan since things have moved on since 1980…
You wouldn’t believe the amount of people who think the “address bar” is synonymous with “search engine”.
“NO no Mr. Dumbass, please type the address into your address bar. No, that’s the search engine. Yes, I’m sure. Look, I’m going to hang up now. Please callback when you have learned to properly utilise the interwebs. Thanks.”
On browsers after IE5 time, Internet Keywords should work in the URI field of the Address Bar (you only enter data in fields, not on a bar…)
This is true, but when you give someone (like the people I was thinking about when I wrote this, not necessarily all people) a web address specifically and they type it into a search engine, and the search engine returns.. well, things that match the words in the address; they get confused. And say things like “Your website is broken.”
“No, it’s not. You have to type it into the address bar.”
And so on and so on and so on.
Charro, at one point my mom somehow managed to get her browser screwed up to where the address bar was hidden.
I can only imagine how she managed to do that.
It takes lots and lots of careful and diligent planning and execution to FUBAR a computer.
But when successfully accomplished, things can easily get epic.
I think I may have talked to her on the phone once…
Did she interrupt whatever you were saying to talk about her cats?
The horrible things done in the name of God by the Catholic Church, as well as any other denomination are works of men, not God.
The church (lowercase c), the institution made by men in faith, is subject to corruption and mistakes like any other institution in the history of the world. God does not control man’s actions, and you cannot blame God for evil deeds done by men, just as you cannot credit God for good deeds done by man. All that we can credit God for is the choice to do good or evil, we can credit him for giving us freedom of will.
The Church, or the fellowship of faith created by God is not a physical institution, and it is a personal membership – only you know if you belong to it, truly.
It’s like I tell my friends… do not confuse religion with faith.
Religion is of man. Religion is subject to corruption, mistakes, and temptation. Religion can be good, but it can also be bad.
Faith is of God, and it cannot be perverted. Faith is an idea, and to use the words of V… ideas are bulletproof.
No, ideas come from men, an God is wishful thinking
In your opinion. All I’m saying is there’s a difference. Do not blame the actions of men on God or an entire faith.
“When men stop believing in God they do not believe in nothing, they believe in anything.”
Arrant and errant nonsense… trite bullshit from an apologist.
You’ll have to do better than that, you posturing loon.
Without any concept of god, none of those actions would have happened, no matter how you want to place the blame.
Oh, and your quote is stupid, and a lie.
Actually another reason would have been cooked up. God didn’t cause the problem or the belief in God. It was an enabler and an excuse. The real reason lies within the people setting the stage for the events. Another way would have been found for the agenda.
If you are going to attack Godbotherers, at least make a logical statement…
Now what gets me here is that you see A, you see B, and you see that A+B implies C. The you just decide, poof! Not-C.
If you’re gonna bring up the problem of evil, have a better answer than ‘it just doesn’t work that way’. Unless you like your deity illogically omnipotent (hey, whatever floats your boat), he has to make sense.
To paraphrase your guy… ‘faith is religion writ small, and religion is faith writ large’. It’s easier to see all the problems when you use big type.
i saw that on youtube…haha that was awesome ^.^ What’s the harm in following along as long as you aren’t taunting them or messing around with them? i was at a con once and we conga-lined through to a wedding party and even got the bride and groom to go with us for a little. it was brilliant!
Is it sad that I saw this and thought “Darth Vader: Making Ordinary Time Extraordinary”?
I Find Your Lack Of Faith Disturbing.
Win
From the “Has nothing to do with any thread” department:
Tonight, several members of the local GOP met in my restaurant for some kind of planning session. A less reputable liberal might have made an effort to find out what they were discussing, but I restrained myself.
Quick question: if the meeting leader brought all her materials in a “Tigger” notebook, is that an indication that funds are tight (the Oregon state GOP is broke by several hundred thousand dollars atm) or that she’s a free spirit?
Yeah, that’s what I thought too.
[link] This is probably what they were working on.
LOL Froo!
PM, I would go with “realized on the way out of the house she’d need something
to write on and grabbed the first thing she saw.” If I had the time/energy/initiative to be involved in politics, I can totally see myself showing up with something like that, for exactly that reason.
Yeah, maybe, I guess. It’s just that my experience of with republicans who are actually politically active would suggest that they value Image over Substance, and that showing up with the Tigger notebook demonstrates a lack of foresight, and/or a lack of money, that they would find unforgivable. Democrats, of course, love a flake, and have no problem with a free spirit.
Example of Image v Substance: arguments I’ve had with conservatives about abortion or drugs. “If you don’t like abortions, try educating your young people about birth control, and make same available to them.”
“But Mark,” they reply, “we can’t give our children the impression that we condone their sexual behavior!”
“Yeah, much better to leave them ignorant and deal with the baby later on.”
Similar with drugs:
“Why do we spend $35000/year to lock up an addict when it would be cheaper to decriminalize and treat the problem medically?”
“Again, it’s important not to seem like we’re soft on drug use. It sends the wrong signal.”
Democrats, of course, love a flake, and have no problem with a free spirit. Which is probably why they tend to lose elections!
Of course, I’d take a flake over an insane, overrighteous, tightly wound, in denial adolescent on fire for my betterment any day. But then I vote for Democratic candidates, so what do I know?
*sigh*
Peeps r dum
“We can’t let our children know that they come from sex! If we give them birth control.. They’ll know that sex leads to birth.. And unwanted pregnancies are bad.. So we can’t let them have sex.. So birth control.. wait I just derailed my own argument. Damnit.”
“It’s important to make sure people know that if you do drugs you are a BAD BAD BAD person, and must be persecuted. . eh . . PROSECUTED to the fullest extent trumped up charges. . er. . THE LAW will allow.”
*note
I understand that there are drug addicts, or even people ho simply do drugs who have committed crimes that deserve punishment and are not trumped up charges. But putting that in there takes away from my thunder.
“It’s important to make sure people know that if you do drugs you are a BAD BAD BAD person, and must be persecuted. . eh . . PROSECUTED to the fullest extent trumped up charges. . er. . THE LAW will allow.”
unless you are a well known right wing radio broadcaster…
We need better funding for more prisons and more prostitu–ahem, prosecutors….
personally, i’m in favor of decriminalizing some things, or changing some to misdemeanors with community service in lieu of jail time, and to balance the equation, make the death penalty mandatory for some things, no plea bargaining to lesser charges, and of course expand the crimes the death penalty applies to. oh, and make some of the executions more public.
Maybe it was a political statement: Who cares if tigers are endangered? They eat people! As long as we have fictitious tigers (tiggers), who needs the real thing?
Well, I mean, they bounce on their tails. Real tigers can’t do that.
All the more reason to rid the world of those non-tail-bouncey types!
You know, I get this far down the page, having waded through various ideological wars, and I find I’ve completely forgotten what the original LOL was about. Maybe it’s an age thing, or maybe I’m evolving into a goldfish.
I’m voting for goldfish..
I’d reckon not that far up the food chain. Least a goldfish has a brain stem…
Oh but wait, he said he was evolving into a goldfish, which means that they are currently less then a goldfish?
Sprouting a brain stem is bound to be hard work, and understandably distracting.
You’re assuming evolution always moves toward greater complexity. The point of evolution is that outlier traits making you more likely to survive make you more likely to breed.
It’s entirely possible to postulate conditions under which decerebration, or at least desensitization, would make survival and breeding more likely……
Indeed, evolution is simply change
Exactly. It’s easy to slip into the fallacy that evolution has agency and a goal of some sort, that it drives in a purposeful direction. But when anyone refers to evolutionary forces, that’s just an incendiary way of saying teh environmental conditions that make some traits conducive to survival and others not.
It’s a long time since I looked but isn’t the speciation of the Horse one of the ‘classical’ examples of an organism losing complex features?
You’re thinking of the reduction of the number of toes, right?
The cetaceans are an interesting case study (or body of case studies) too, since it’s pretty clear they developed as land animals and then ‘returned’ to the sea.
But horses didn’t gain complexity in other areas. The Cetacean brain is all but as complex as ours, if not more complex…
True that. Each an interesting challenge to notions about evolution having a definitive direction.
Yea! Finally a clever one !!!
A rant a little off topic from this very funny pic, thanks for posting.
I just can’t see how an 80 year old virgin can tell people when to have sex….A guy so out of touch with the world saying condoms spread AIDs….Young women that are raped or through incest can’t abort a fetus. There is a nine year old girl in South America who’s mother was excommunicated by the archbishop for allowing her daughter to abort twins. A birth that would kill a small child like that. Saying it is not a part of gods plan to abort the fetus. Was it gods plan for the child to be raped? Some loving deity. Catholics have to be my least favorite of the bunch along with fundies and the mega churches that are just after money.
Religion is the ultimate scam. Separation of church and state, thank you!
Yet in the Americas, you’d have more chance of electing a Jack Russell Terrier than an atheist. Over here, where the PM picks the Archbishop of Canterbury on behalf of the Queen, we don’t give a rat’s ass what imaginary friend they have, or even IF they have an imaginary friend… as long as they don’t talk about it and keep it out of their speeches. Like Alistair Darling said Governments shouldn’t do God. I agree…
Just because it’s not currently in fashion for the Pope to have a mistress as it has been in centuries past doesn’t mean the current one is a virgin.
Janie! I didn’t realize you had a thing for older men…
*looks around furtively* I mean… I’m just saying no one can know. One way or the other, and stuff. *tries to shuffle out unnoticed*
Oh, I get it now. Boy, it sure was funny how you seemed to know
so much about the subject, then, uh…
<__>
Jane?
Now where did that girl get off to, and where’s my dad?
*laughter*
Brilliant caption.
Here is the video of it on the failblog:
http://failblog.org/2008/12/10/cult-procession-fail/
Then again!! The joke is quite obvious especially when you consider that the head of their church looks like Palpatine. (Why is it when I see this picture I have the sudden urge to start humming the Imperial March
)
Hmmm. No, I’m afraid I’ll have to disagree with you there. Since (as noted above) this is a procession of Lutherans in Iceland, the head of their church is the Bishop of Iceland, Karl Sigurbjörnsson. I don’t really see a Palpatine resemblance there. [link] Although he does look a little like an insurance adjuster.
Strange. I had a teacher who looked like him once.
Making fun of religion is not funny. I don’t care what religion you are or are not.
Why is it not funny?
It makes Baby Jesus cry…
Because it can really offend some people. It’s rude and disrespectful.
I think you’re confusing offensive, rude, and disrespectful with lack of humor. Sometimes things can be offensive, rude, disrespectful and (to at least some people) funny at the same time.
That said, I don’t generally poke fun at people’s religions or their moms; but that doesn’t mean I can’t find humor in a good religion joke or a good “your mom” joke….
I don’t think that was called for. Also, I realize that jokes poke fun at people or groups, but I think that this crossed the line.
Your original statement said that we couldn’t poke fun at religion because it is rude and disrespectful. Unfortunately for you, most humor is some form of irreverent.
Also, you think it crossed the line but I don’t care and neither does a number of people, including the lolmaker. So again, you’re screwed.
If your religion sets you up to look foolish, don’t be surprised when people laugh. Same goes for anything else in life.
*is confused*
You…don’t think my response to your opinion was called for? Oooohkay then.
*backs away slowly*
Hah, I’m sorry. I completely misread your statement. I thought you called me offensive, rude and disrespectful. My bad.
Most humour can offend someone, and “being offended”, “rude” and “disrespectful” are really, really subjective concepts.
He just gave you my answer in a different way…
Imagine telling a 5 year old that their imaginary friend, Sebastian the Nerf, isn’t real? no imagine the SAME hissy fit in an ‘adult’, and you have the vibe…
Yeah. I guess I was hoping to get Freckles to express its reasoning in a manner more like how you put it… (Also, I am strangely curious about why this particular picture would be so terrible.)
Whaddya mean Sebastian the Nerf isn’t real????
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NOBODY EXPECTS THE SITH INQUISITION!
this is incredibly offensive
Good!
You people are insane. <– Please don’t take this personally or seriously or literally… Don’t take it in any way that will be offensive.
I’m just commenting on the amount of arguments happening here that are masked as ‘opinion sharing’ and ‘correcting statements’.
It is very impressive though. I am a southern Californian… I am easily impressed I suppose when it comes to people having active and well informed opinions as well as humor… I like you people. <– Not ‘You people’… I just mean the different individuals who have participated in this particular list of comments. Geez uh…
I enjoyed the picture and found it to be funny.
I think most of the people posting here have taken this waaaaay too seriously. It’s a joke. Get it? Laugh once in a while. You can even laugh at your own religion. Don’t take yourself so seriously.
Bigotry only exists in the eyes of those who wish to force their own opinion onto others. (sorry for placement but there are too damn many comments to put this somewhere else…..was fun to read though.)
Nice work!
Cmon this is SOOOOO FUNNNNY!!!!
ROFL ultimate
Hhahaha nice pictures, stupid delusional priest could learn more from Star Wars
is this a serious picture? i dont get it lol
Um… yeah. I think they classify as dark… after all, they did massacre more Jews and Christians in the Inquisition than Nazis did in the last world war. But hey – I would say that’s a matter of opinion, but what I just said is an historic fact.
lol this pic is funny and is now my wallpaper
and to all those who take offense by this picture you think because you don’t like it or it conflicts with your views it shouldn’t be here seriously you do not help the world when you do this neither does religion (aka source of all evil) church is not evil? lol your the funniest part about this post(religion never helps)