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Who’s who according to Americans: George Washington, some young guy, idk, Lucky penny

(Mt. Rushmore: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln)

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  1. Observer says:

    Sadly, I fear this is true, what with standardized testing pushing out the history curriculum in our grade schools.
    IMHO, of course.

    • rhorho says:

      I’m thinking “some ugly chick” might be more likely under GW.

    • dropulus says:

      Sorry…. but the “standardized tests” you decry were initiated BECAUSE of the already-existing educational FAIL that was/is our school system.

      • Observer says:

        Agreed, but teachers are now in the habit of teaching TO the test so students can pass it rather than teaching subjects.
        I know from experience.

        • dropulus says:

          so….. sounds like it’s the teachers that need to rethink their methods.

          For all this talk of “teaching to the test”, I have yet to see examples of subject matter included on said “test” that isn’t important. Given that, I suspect that the real problem here is that teachers are unable to teach even a minimal competency…

          • Observer says:

            I’d agree, but in my state the important thing is passing the stupid exam with flying colors so the teachers and school can get accolades. So students practice and practice instead of learning.
            The exams are almost exactly like SATs, so they don’t really teach anything.
            They’re like “read this passage and answer these questions”
            ~
            Here’s the actual list the students in my state chose from last year for the writing portion:
            # Write a letter to a good friend about an intriguing or unusual person who has changed your life in some way. Explain why this person has had an impact on you.
            # What idea has most influenced your life? Explain.
            # What is the most critical moral, ethical, or social problem facing America?
            # Describe your ideal of the honorable person. Feel free to use examples.
            # Discuss briefly the one or two extracurricular, work or community activities that have meant the most to you.
            # Write a brief essay of 200-500 words on any topic of direct personal importance to you.
            # If you were given the opportunity to spend an evening with any one person, living, deceased, or fictional, whom would you choose and why?
            ~
            TOTALLY GENERIC! Meh.
            ~
            I maintain these tests just measure your ability to think. I studied a ton for the SAT, but really all I needed to do is be a critical thinker with basic knowledge to do well.
            There are students out of school RIGHT NOW because class time is being taken up for those who have to take these exams.
            BAH!

            • dropulus says:

              Here’s the thing, though…. EVERYONE with, say, a high school education should be able to do the above. If they can’t, then it kinda seems like a good use of teacher effort to get them to the point where they CAN.

              Unless you’re arguing for simply giving up on the kids that can’t operate on this basic level, I’m not sure what th objection really is…

              • Observer says:

                The objection is wasting class time and energy practicing for and taking fake exams so we can pass a standardized test.
                I’d rather have been learning new and more useful concepts. Like more about History, Geography and Civics. Is that bad?

          • Seth says:

            There are two real problems with our educational system. The first is societal. Kids from poor, desperate neighborhoods are hard to teach due to emotional and developmental problems brought on by extreme poverty. Teachers end up being mere babysitters, spending all their energy trying to be what mommy and daddy couldn’t be for their kids.

            The second problem is private money. Before the industrial revolution, we had an awesome public school system designed to turn out the tough, free thinking individualists needed to settle a wild and untamed continent. The robber barons of industrialization knew they needed lots of drones and a few smart guys to invent stuff but never question why the fat cats got all the benefits from their inventions. So they gave gobs of money with strings attached to the public schools, and turned our education system into a drone factory that could produce the occasional genius with blinders on.

            • … That gives me a lose/lose situation when I think about my Genius by Birth/Slacker by Choice tshirt.

              Either I am an idiot or an apathetic loser with a respectable IQ because I stopped caring at school which hamstrung me later. Neither of which really appeal to me.

              • Seth says:

                Say what now? You saw the system was a sham designed to churn out docile, tractable idiots; you chose not to participate; and that makes you a loser how, exactly?

                • Well, I can’t exactly say that my independence has gotten me anywhere except a head above the poverty level. Money isn’t everything but I am not exactly helped out by my lack of college degree and neither is my family.

                  So like I said, while loser is a subjective term, it best fits what situation I am in economically so I used it. Yes I have my head above water, barely, but without the apathy I can see myself doing a ton better.

                  • Observer says:

                    Apathy.
                    LOL!
                    Link.

                  • Charlie Foxtrot says:

                    Now Boys, I know this is a political site, but don’t let your political ideals overthink it. There is no grand idealogy to blame. “We have met the enemy, and it is us.” Pogo

                    • Seth says:

                      That’s just defeatism. “People suck” isn’t an answer, it’s a cop-out. When you know the causes, the feedback loops, and the points of control in a system, you can change it. “People suck” is just an excuse not to look deeper.

                      • Charlie Foxtrot says:

                        I beg to differ. Don’t hand me the whole “drones” BS. If I was a defeatist I wouldn’t have passed up a job that paid in excess of $85,000 per year (which I had, and which I could still get into, even after 8 years of teaching) to go into a profession (teaching, by the way) that pays, so far, less that $40,000. Get off the whole manifesto crap. Education has always had problems and always will. As long as conservatives and liberals continue to use it as a political football, nothing will change. You want to fix it? Then get into the trenches and do it.

                        • Seth says:

                          I’m still not clear. Exactly what part of my hypothesis are you denying is a factor in the problems our educational system faces? I never said you were a defeatist, I said thinking that people just suck and you can’t do anything about it is defeatist. If that’s not what you were implying, then good.

                        • I always found that the issue with education is that it isn’t appreciated and gets turned into a political football to pass along agendas. It isn’t an overarching ideology so much as the fact that schools are almost always underfunded and overextended. Teachers could drip brilliance from their pores and bottle it up to feed the angsty spawn of baby boomers and the Gen Xers and they would still would need a lot more to make a dent.

                          So between the two of you, I personally find that you are both right…

                        • Charlie Foxtrot says:

                          Seth, pls excuse my oversensitivity, DWN, you are correct. Seth, I do agree, in part with your statements. The endless cycle of poverty, to me, is the biggest threat to America, and the world today. And YES… I do blame greed and the great god of corporate excess. However, having said that, we can only ever influence our own little piece of the world. As a teacher, I struggle with two major items, daily. One — what I term the ultimate triad — Parents, teachers and administrators — we need to work together, yet we consistently work at odds with each other and it is our children who suffer. Second is the constant struggle between teachers and school corporations… corporations want teachers to be professionals, yet they treat teacher like hourly wage earners… teachers want to be treated as professionals, yet they act like hourly wage earners.

                        • Seth says:

                          @CF: No problem, I can see how you could have taken what I was saying as an insult, pls excuse my insensitivity. And I completely agree with your assessment of the situation.

                        • Charlie Foxtrot says:

                          I do so love this site… if only I had more time to visit.

                        • Oooooh, good points. Hard to feel professional when you can be outpaced by some putz in middle management as far as funds go. The agenda issue doesn’t end with higher ups either. The issue with your triad is that Admin are trying to push their personal agendas while pleasing parents when they are supposed to be working for the good of the school. Parents have an overdeveloped sense of entitlement as to what their precious little hellions should be taught instead of worrying about them actually being educated. Teachers run the middle ground of listening to parents b!tch and admins not being able to administrate effectively due to either self serving natures or trying to please everybody like an overworked hooker at a frat party. This results in teachers developing either apathy or gastric/heart problems due to stress from various factions.

                          This results in behavior from teachers that CF described since the situations tends to engender the Why Fu(king Bother attitude since nobody is going to listen and maybe one student out of a nine hundred thousand is actually going to have an epiphany they will credit you for at their Nobel Prize awards.

                          Even then, you have to be good enough to deserve the credit in the first place.

                          /rant choked with generalizations.

                        • Charlie Foxtrot says:

                          DWN, I agree, but having gone through raising teenagers (who turned out OK — probably because of their mother) it is a constant fight sometimes, and while I don’t always agree, I do understand. The bottom line is that the problem is MUCH more complex than our politicians want to let you think, because if we understood it they would have to actually have to do their jobs.

                        • I shall nod my head in agreement and quote Chris Rock.

                          “There’s no money in the cure…”

                        • viking gal says:

                          And then you add to it all the demonization of teachers in the press by politicians. I remember when it started in the late 1970s, because I was shocked that someone would trash people who were doing what even as a teen i knew was difficult but important work. And it has continued to this day. I do’nt think anyone should be given credence when trashing public school teachers
                          until and unless they have taught full-time for at least a week in the past 3 years.
                          /rant off

                        • ubr says:

                          here’s my thoughts on the problems in education in america:
                          .
                          teachers are underpaid and overworked compared to other jobs of commiserate experience. therefore you mostly get applicants who are looking for the three months of vacation.
                          .
                          the state legislature comes up with the actual requirements for learning… when have they done something worthwhile AND cost effective?
                          .
                          the current spending is wasteful. each school district has school board which has 7-10 members who are all salaried employees of the district and make more money than the average tenured principal. add on the cost of secretaries, computers, expense accounts, and etc and there’s a huge cost per year. then there’s the spending on books. the text books for the schools get changed out every 1-2 years. it’s not because the data in the books is inaccurate, but rather that they have contracts with the publishers to buy more books.
                          .
                          throw all that together and you have a system designed to fail.

                    • lowly grunt says:

                      Hey, Charlie! Welcome back! How’s Jane?

                      • Charlie Foxtrot says:

                        Thanks LG — I get wrapped up in the day to day and forget to have fun, like PK. Jane’s great — she is vacationng out east, went to see her new niece and slightly older nephew, along with her other brother fresh back from GW’s War.

                  • Seth says:

                    True. In the face of a crazy system, you chose apathy, and it was the beest choice you had available at the time. But it sounds like it is counterproductive now. I feel for you, or more specifically, I feel much the same as you. I’m doing better than the average American, but I could be doing a lot more than that. Part of it is being too smart. Where a stupid person would look at a plan of action and say, “No Problem!” I look at it and see everything wrong with it, and all the millions of people who’ve tried it and not had much luck. Part of it is that I hate competition, of the sort where someone has to lose in order for me to win, and the whole system seems like that to me. I’d rather screw over myself than someone else. And a big part of it is just not feeling worthy of success. *sigh* I wish I could give you some advice, but all I’ve got to offer is empathy.

                    • Observer says:

                      I can’t get the links to work.
                      Remove spaces.
                      Epic Apathy…lol!

                      http :// freakshowplanet.com /fun/demots/ 481-demotivators.html

                    • I find the lack of motivation and realizing the problem to be the most painful part. I care, I really do, I just get in the moment and can’t muster enough “givadamn” to actually do anything. That and I do hate the idea of screwing somebody over. I like helping people, I like giving. I have my fair share of moments where I want something back when I give because I simply can’t afford to give away everything but… Blah. I see what people are doing to get “ahead” and I can’t be that kind of person. Sure, I have venom but that is reserved for those that actually wrong me, not some random guy on the street or company.

                      It was part of why I just lost touch with art. I went to a technical school for media and animation then went into graphic design just trying to find what I wanted to do and realized that every single classmate was somebody I was going to have to outbid or outpace more than I would actually make art or something worth being proud of. Just rather killed it when I lost the naivety of art being art instead of just another product shilled out.

                      But yea, advice won’t help. I have to actually give a damn when it matters. Being goaded just makes me resentful. Ugh. Luckily I find I do a decent amount of writing when I have somebody to chat with who becomes an inadvertent muse. The person being written with tends to love what I turn out since I feel I pulled parts of them into it.

                      Wow… Way longer and more share than I liked so I shall stop.

                      • Smartz says:

                        I believe when it comes to higher-level education, i.e. college and universities, , it is natural that competition will be apparent, and should be considering the effort one puts into high school. HOWEVER, from elementary to high school lies the problem. Correct me if I am wrong, but Public school budgets are determined by the taxes of the district. If the district is composed of low-wage families and people who vote against paying more for the school budget, it will reflect against the schools in that district negatively, and visa-verse with higher income districts improving their schools. This is the fatal flaw with our public school system; those who happen to live in a poorer neighborhood should never be disadvantaged bt other public schools because it WILL effect the teaching and supplies given to those schools. This upsets me because it is apparent in the district I attened. My high school was in an area where people rented apartments and nearby a Hasidim community that when budget voting came around they will go to the high school by busloads to vote against it; they didn’t want to pay money for schools their children do not attend…

                        • Smartz says:

                          (in continuation to above post) and inevitably, my high school suffered by having outdated textbooks that could not be updated because we could not afford it, terrible computers and a very limited library, and teachers who were not very enthusiastic about teaching due to their lowered salaries. In contrast, the neighboring district composed of middle to middle-high income families, and it was obvious that the high schools benefited; they had absolutely lovely and maintained property, an enormous library, plenty and diverse after school and extracurricular activities, content teachers, and top-of-the-line technology. The only thing that differed between the 2 was the composition of the student body…my school was more diverse ethically, while the latter was 99% white, and I am not exaggerating: only 1 or 2 non-white kids attended the other district’s schools. And the same could be said about the elementary/middle school leels as well. I lost some great teachers because they decided to transfer to those other districts, and now my high school won’t enjoy the school courses like I did when I attended there. All in all, I just don’t believe competition does not have a place when it comes to public school quality: it will DEFINITELY affect the students attending them, therefore their futures and lifestyles. A poor school can only afford so much, and its students needlessly suffer for it.

                        • @ Smartz: An excellent book on the topic you’re talking about. [link] While it’s true that money alone won’t solve all the problems in the educational system in America (or anywhere else) I think that level funding statewide would be a great start.

                        • Smartz says:

                          Actually, that book is actually the main reason that I am so passionate about this subject. It made me realize everything about the situation back in high school.The author actually came to the college I was attending to at the time and I got my book signed by him.

                        • You lucky fu(ker! That’s awesome. I’m guessing you’ve read his other stuff, too, then.

              • Rattus says:

                Personally I’m perfectly content existing as an apathetic loser with a respectable IQ. Most days I wish I knew less.

                • I am okay with the IQ, it could be better but way easier for it to be worse so I won’t complain about my faulty thinking ability. It is the apathetic loser part that bothers me.

                  • rhorho says:

                    Ah, pish tosh–both of you!

                    What we need is a cheery song…

                    *runs for cover*

                  • minerva146 says:

                    Personally I’m fighting lack of motivation, rather than apathy. Subtle difference maybe, but it’s like I really give a damn, but have faced so much disappointment with career, etc, that it’s hard to motivate to keep doing what I need to to improve my health/career/ well being, etc. Heck, some days it’s difficult to even get the dishes done. I’ve a high IQ and decent education, but doesn’t amount to anything…

            • dropulus says:

              Hmmm….. kinda sounds like you’ve bought into a quaint romantic myth. When do you imagine this utopia of universal education existed?

          • FaileV says:

            I used to think the same thing until i had a teacher that did not teach to the test. She changed the schedule for the year so we took two weeks to get a fundamental understanding of poetry, something many of us were having trouble with. This was a huge difference from following the same plan, despite how well the students were learning.
            New teachers are forced to follow the test of curriculum or risk losing their jobs. they don’t have the chance anymore to learn how to teach students, and the educational system is suffering for it. Standardized tests aren’t helping as far as I am concerned. it tests one kind of knowledge, so those that are good at pattern recognition and such do well, but critical thinking is hurt in the process.

            • I remember when America used to be credited for creativity and free thinking skills while Asian schools tested better because of their ability to regugitate facts…

              • FaileV says:

                I am at least hopeful for the future of education. I have to be. My father works in educational leadership and i’m really impressed by some of the work his department is doing, especially with native american reservations.
                The new money they’re getting under the obama admin is a godsend in my opinion.

              • dropulus says:

                Sorry, but we don’t need “creative” illiterate who can’t handle basic math or logic.

                America was renowned for ability to **use** creativity, which required …. and requires… a basic set of skills.

            • dropulus says:

              Sorry, but “the test” sounds pretty simple… it’s getting harder and harder to believe that a school that had been doing it’s job would suddenly have to change it’s curriculum to enable kids to pass…

      • Duncan says:

        Disagreed. Standardized testing was developed to sort large numbers of people — like the examination system in Imperial China. It was adopted in the US partly because college professors didn’t want to spend time reading the essays of applicants, which led to the development of the SAT, and partly because the numerical results of standardized produce an appearance of mathematical / scientific rigor. (In other words, if you can say that someone has a score of 90 or 100 or 50, it sounds like you’re talking about something as concrete as height, weight, or temperature, even if you aren’t.)

        Our school system does have troubles, but it has always been under attack by people who wanted to abolish public education for various reasons, largely to keep most people away from it. The “already-existing educational FAIL” you mention doesn’t exist — much of what we hear about the terrible state of American education is false, including Obama’s speech of last week before the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, which was full of misinformation. And in any case, making kids spend so much time taking standardized tests is not going to make the schools any better.

        • viking gal says:

          My cousin teaches 4th grade in Virginia…she says the kids spend 4 weeks of the year just taking standardized tests these days. She’s disgusted and ready to retire because of it.

    • Adz says:

      I think that “some young guy” should be re-captioned as “The 8th Doctor.”

  2. Observer says:

    that should say “what with the time commitment required for”
    FAIL!
    lol

  3. 11110 says:

    Don’t worry Teddy, I’ll always remember you!

  4. Aoife says:

    I’m pretty sure the second guy from the right is my uncle Henry…

  5. ZekeSulastin says:

    . . .

    Ha ha ha? Yay, another “Amerikanz r dumbzorz” joke?

    • 11110 says:

      It’s the standard procedure to go after whoever’s on top, even if it’s yourself.

    • Seth says:

      Not dumb. Anti-intellectual and uneducated because all that book larnin’ is so gay. And so smugly satisfied with their citizenship in ‘The Greatest Country in the History of This and Every Other Universe” that they don’t feel the need to actually, you know, know anything about it other than “USA==teh awesomest.” Hope that clarifies matters.

      • minerva146 says:

        Yep, very sad really. I was so proud the other day to hear that my stepson was getting a bit of civics in his 3rd grade class (branches of gov’t, etc) Now I just have to hope it sticks with him over the next few years.

      • n8 says:

        *sigh* So true. And so transparent. Patriotism and jingoism are used to shut down debate. If you think there’s room for improvement, then you must not agree that this is the best country on earth, in which case why don’t you move the hell to Russia!
        And yet, there are those who grow up enough to see past that illusion and work to improve matters. As long as there are those who fight, there is hope.

      • The Steve says:

        I think the average american would be confused by your two = signs. What are you, some sort of smart computer geek?

        I agree with you, getting a 4.0 makes you a geek, actually responding in class makes you a suck up, and being intelligent makes it almost impossible to be ‘cool’, at least up to and including high school. College is a bit better in that regard.

      • Alicia says:

        I have to agree. I’ve lived in other countries and was blessed to have a mother that let me study everything and anything about cultures and religions. I think that, while America is indeed a great nation, it is teetering on the edge. Right now we cater too much to the minority and not enough to the majority.

        I better move back to Germany then.

  6. dropulus says:

    Current student’s answers :

    White guy
    White guy #2
    White guy #3
    White guy #…..4?

  7. timmis says:

    Ok, why’s that one guy shoved in the back, couldn’t they have moved him to the right just a little bit??

    • The Steve says:

      Oh lord.

      1. It’s Teddy Roosevelt.

      2. Mt. Rushmore is a subtractive sculpture. That means they take a chunk of rock, and carve away until they get the shape of a face. If there wasn’t naturally rock there, you can’t have a face there. So no, you can’t just “move it over”. They didn’t start with a flat wall and then add rock to make the faces…

      *sigh*

      • Actually, given that the face of the mountain to Roosevelt’s right (in the picture) has clearly been removed also (between TR and Lincoln), I think “Why didn’t they put him (or him and Lincoln) a little to the right?” is a valid question.

        Anyway, it did get me curious, but I haven’t really found an answer directly. However, I did learn that originally Jefferson was planned to be on the other side of Washington but was moved due to the bad characteristics of the stone on that side, which might account for them being a little crammed in there. [link, it's in the "Making of Mt Rushmore Photo Gallery]

        • This [link] is also pretty interesting.

        • wandering_gal says:

          Mount Rushmore was originally supposed to be much bigger. The presidents were all supposed to have at least their torsos showing. When the sculpter died, his son was put in charge of the project. The son decided finish the work in progress and then stop, afraid to deviate from his father’s vision.
          I’m thinking that area was bombed out to make room for TR’s or Lincoln’s shoulders in between the two of them later on.
          I can’t be certain. I’m a South Dakota native, but it’s been a while since I’ve been to Mouth Rushmore. They do have a scale model of what it would look like, but I don’t remember if there was anything in that space. Just speculation.

          It might also be that, that was just the way the mountain was shaped and they had to work around it. It could have been decided that although that area wasn’t strong enough to hold the sculpture, they weren’t going to just just leave it as unfinished rock when the rest of the mountain had been blown to pieces.

  8. Ruth says:

    Yes, we Americans are stupid, apathetic and fat. So I hear.

    We’re like the Spencer ‘n Heidi of smug, anonymous online thread-bashing.

    Aaaaaand let’s move on now, k?

  9. Shannon says:

    Hey, I’m a high school student and I guessed them all correctly, AND I can tell you what each one did that was important to American history. Give our schools a little credit…

    • dropulus says:

      Hey, I give them little credit.

    • MJ says:

      And how many kids in your class could’ve done the same? The problem isn’t with schools or teachers, really, it’s the fact that America as a culture has become a bunch of lazy, fat idiots who don’t give a sh*t about what actually matters.

  10. Pop says:

    SO WHO ARE THOSE GUYS , ANYWAY?
    : P

    - Some European bloke

  11. RankMyTyping says:

    I believe it about the middle two, but come on… who doesn’t know Lincoln!?

  12. Mr.Wholesome says:

    That “face mountain” thingee looks neat. Anyone know what country it’s in?

    • It’s a remarkable naturally occurring formation in Guatemala. Amazing coincidence that it looks oddly like four American presidents, isn’t it? ;-)

      • Mr.Wholesome says:

        Well Guatemala might as well have something good…USA! USA! USA!…So, those are American presidents? Oh yeah! I recognize the lady on the far left and the guy on the far right from the President’s Day sale at Leeds Beds and Bedding. I’m glad they worked so hard on getting all of us discounted bedding once a year. We need more Presidents like these bed sale guys!

  13. Adz says:

    I think that “some young guy” should be recaptioned as “The 8th Doctor.”

  14. Paz says:

    another american fail

    • The Steve says:

      Agreed. Lets see you carve 4 giant fu(kin faces into a mountain.

      • Oh, and please try it in a National Park! :twisted:

        Mt. Rushmore is very impressive in person; I kinda wish that the one time I saw it I hadn’t been horribly hung over at the time.

        • Mr.Wholesome says:

          I hope the rest of your third grade class had a better time.

        • froofrou says:

          I was more impressed by the Crazy Horse Monument, but I think that’s because I was 11, horse-crazy, and was amazed by the sheer size of the monument. As I think of it, the history involved with Mt Rushmore is more impressive, but Crazy Horse has it beat in massiveness.

  15. The Steve says:

    Those faces make my hairy nuts hard.

    • The Steve says:

      Actually, my balls are so huge I could probably give Thomas Jefferson arabian goggles if I was standing on top of the mountain.

      *pets the cute ‘lil sock*

  16. Carmacao says:

    I had a teacher who actually taught once.
    She got fired for it . . .

  17. Wyde says:

    Is it so hard to say, “some Americans?” I’m gonna type one sentence that’s gonna render this entire post completely invalid:
    I am an American, and those men are Presidents George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln, as personified on Mount Rushmore, in the Black Hills of South Dakota, United States of America (no WikiPedia, bitches).

    • Danbala says:

      While I too have a slight allergy against making sweeping statements, I think they have a place in the lols themselves, or the lols would be too wordy and eventually hopelessly unreadable.
      “Who’s who according to some Americans, probably quite a few Canadians and Europeans, and most likely just about everyone in Burkina Faso:” just isn’t as snappy.

  18. Threyon says:

    This reminds me of that Family Guy episode:

    George: Dude, chick getting nailed on my head.
    Thomas: Sweeeet! Hey, pass it on to Frankenstein.
    Lincoln: Oh, HA HA HA. >:(

  19. Cr says:

    Roosevelt looks like Stalin there

  20. Lily says:


    Sad, but true.

    :D


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