If one more person mistakes me for
If one more person mistakes me for Michelle Obama I am going to scream!
(Condoleezza Rice)
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Oh, that WON’T happen, not for me.
It’s funny ‘cuz she’s black. Or something.
Ditto. Michelle= gorgeous. Condoleeza= ew.
I think ‘gorgeous’ is pushing it, and eww is unfair…
Both women look good, end of story. Condi could easily afford braces,
so it’s obvious that she’s cool with her diastema. (I personally love those
things.) Michelle has great arms and wonderful brow line.
Both women are in great shape, are well educated and have done well
in their careers. The nature of Rice’s work and the length of time she
has been on the national stage have drawn more opinionated comments
about her than Obama’s career/exposure have drawn about her (so far).
That’s the big difference I see between the two.
I’d not stop either running their tongue up my inside leg… but they’d have to ask nicely, first…
Don’t lie, now. Neither would have to ask, and you know it.
I’m pretty sure Unc enjoys a take charge lady.
Michelle is quite the butterface
you need glasses!!! obama looks like a MONKEY! Condoleezza looks awesome!
They all look the same to me. Women, that is. And by ‘all the same’ I mean ‘hot.’ I guess what I’m trying to say is, I like boobies.
What’s not to love, let alone like?
I love you more and more each day, Seth…
This warmed my heart. Which is conveniently located beneath my breasts. <3
Mmmmm, boobies… *Homer drool*
Thank you for that comment.
i can feel two kinds of dribble excreting from me.
my mouth, and my slowly-leaking…. eyeballs.
(why, what did you think i would say?
Anus.
Eeeexactly. I was thinking of writing anus, but I remembered before i typed it that my sphincter still works. If I could, I would totally make it leak so you’d be right. Sorry
Such sensitivity! Thats so rare in men these days, Seth. I’m sure that if I had been born a dude, I too would like/love boobies. But, seeing as I am of the heterosexual nature, boobies are of no interest to me aside from the fact that I have them.
Really? You know, I have a lot of gay male friends, and they all like boobies. I’ve known a lot of women that like them, aesthetically speaking. Before the advent of formula, I would think humans that had an aversion to the things would have starved to death in infancy.
Yeah, one of my gay male friends is fascinated by boobs (and Disney princesses, but that’s another story). Your evolutionary explanation makes sense.
Boobies are great. If anyone doesn’t love them, fine, more boobies for me!
I just wanted to say that I am firmly “Pro-Boobies”!
As a 16-year-old, I have to say that the conversation here made me laugh. Thanks for the amusement.
As a gay man myself, I never understood boobies. No offense meant to anyone, but they’re just big bags of flesh that hang there and don’t do anything (unless your a feeding infant, and I don’t think that’s what gets the guys hot – at least I hope not).
But since I have nothing funny to add, I’ll just give y’all a picture [link].
On the other hand, I have known gay men who have still been fascinated with boobies. Ony guy my husband worked with used to grab them (but get away with it cause he was gay) It was so weird. No one would ever mistake him for straight, in disguise, either.
Oh, people already said some things like this. My bad. I should read the rest of the comments first.
There’s no reason to stiffle talk of boobs. By they conversational points or humorous anecdotes, just let ‘em bounce free.
Now I want to watch the Juggies from the Man Show…
Breasts are a cool thing. Dress them ‘up!’ or let them go as they will. I’ve an aesthetic appreciation for them, myself!
And now, girls jumping on trampolines!
FTW!
My fascination with boobs have always been strongly attached to knowing how m yown works re my own horniness. They’re a fun plaything simply because you have an inkling as to what playing with them can do to another gal.
As a straight female, I want to draw a line of distinction (read “cleavage”) between the boobies you adore and the ones that I abhor: male boobies. I’ve never seen a pair of those without losing a bit of sanity.
(Just so you know, it’s not all about my leaded paint habit.)
Anyway, I wonder why, all things being equal, that an aesthetic attribute
on one side could be such a dire calamity on the other.
…male boobies[:] I’ve never seen a pair of those without losing a bit of sanity.
I’ve never seen a pair without losing a little bit of my lunch.
How about Fabio–fake man boobies!
I think a male “trunk w junk” is even more horrid. Manboobs are easy to handle compared to male child-bearing hips, to me.
(Whereas I don’t think wide female hips are nearly as off-turning. Just to comment on the “I wonder why, all things being equal, that an aesthetic attribute on one side could be such a dire calamity on the other”-bit.)
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Full, pouty lips on a man can also look terribly odd, but that’s a bit more individual.
Full, pouty lips, a narrow jaw line, wide eyes, large breasts, a specific waist-to-hip-ratio (Thought I forget what the number is, exactly), and wide hips are supposedly indicators of a high estrogen level, and female fertility. I don’t have a cite off the top of my head, but I can dig it up.
But, that said… I feel you. I don’t really dig my dudes with a lot of estrogen, either.
TOTALLY FALSE. its a myth. also, why are hormone levels relavant? more estrogen does NOT equal more fertile.
Yeah… It almost intrigues me that there’s something about me that’s actually wired “correctly” as far as femininity goes. :p
(Damnit, I can’t even fit into the nice “women with male-like genes” set that might explain my other traits if one inists on denying culture in the gender-debate. :p)
Two words: Front Butt. *shudders* It’s my worst fear.
Oh. Good. Image results for gooling that expression will ensure that my sleep follows the regular pattern tonight!
googling*
*googling*
*googles*
Ohh.. that’s one thing I will never have… Yay genetics!
I don’t think I’m likely to have it either, only one distant cousin out of a very large family is so blessed. I’m more likely to get a badonka donk butt. For some reason, though, I still live in fear that one day my uncontrolled love of food will make me so fat I’ll develop the dreaded front butt. I’ve instructed family members to shoot me if this occurs.
Yep, the gay men I know love boobs too; always have. I’m a hetero woman and I love boobs. Real ones, not fake ones. It could go back to infancy when the boob was the giver of sustenance and delight, or it could just be that they’re awesome things
They’re just so darn squeezable.
Wow Captain, I think I sexually stereotyped you as a dude due to the Captain title. Thanks for setting me straight (I need to not think in those terms) but more so for talking about your boobs–it’s good imagery with the captain hat.
A lot of people assume I’m a dude. I’m a she captain! Glad to give you warm thoughts with a captain’s hat!
*salutes*
Mmmm, Captainy Boob-a-lies… *homer drool*
I think the Captain asked for a crew’d response there
I could sit here and read your talk about boobies all day long. Mmm
Did you know Humans are the only mammals to have permanently swollen breasts? All the other female mammals get them as a result of pregnancy.
huh…weird. I never thought of that before.
wait wait what about cow udders?
some gorillas have pretty impressive racks…
The breadth of your personal experience never ceases to amaze me…
I know, eh? SOME gorillas? “After performing a thorough investigation of primate cup size, I can say that some, but by no means all gorillas have large breasts. On the downside, I’m now married to a gorilla. Her father objected to my methods…”
Only in season, or when lactating. Homo Sapiens is the only primate to have swollen preasts and buttocks all the time…
The cows are periodically ‘knocked up’, to keep them with udders. That and the regular milking do the thing.
Nonsense. Cows, sheep, goats also have teats that protrude (swelling happens, but
that isn’t why they protrude).
Teats are nipples, not breasts.
what are we defining as breasts? when the nipple protudes, or is there some medical bit?
Teat:
a. The protuberance through which milk is drawn from the udder or breast of a mammal; a nipple; a pap; a mammilla; a dug; a tit.
Nipple:
a. The small projection near the center of the mammary gland containing the outlets of the milk ducts through which young mammals obtain milk from the adult female; a teat.
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Breast:
a. Either of two milk-secreting, glandular organs on the chest of a woman; the human mammary gland.
b. A corresponding organ in other mammals.
Tit: A breast! (ok ok that’s just for people and it’s slang but Jesus where
are we the Journal of the American Medical Association? Sheesh.)
No, I wasn’t being a smart ass. A definiton was requested and I provided it.
Teats are not equal to boobies. They’re equal to nipples.
Just an FYI.
Well ok, but my point is that teat = tit, and tit = boobie, at least for
people, so there you go, smartypants :p
Ah, so, but is teat>tit>boobie? Or is it boobie>tit>teat?
That is the true question!
But I guess it has to do with the crowd you are addressing …
I absolutely love that there was a discussion on what defines a breast complete with sources to back up one’s argument. Take that failblog with your masturbation jests!
We’re also the only ones to consume milk after infancy, and consume the milk of other species. Weird. Eerie.
That’s precisely why I don’t imbibe.
*shudders*
I also think we’re weird that way, but my cats seem to join me in my weirdness.
Hey, osteoporosis is nothing to laugh about. Not that this, of course, prevented us from calling my great-grandmother “The Incredible Shrinking Woman” or saying that leprechauns are made from old Irish grandmothers who are too mean to die.
Reminds me of the song by The Holy Modal Rounders “Boobs A Lot”. [LINK]
Absolutely nothing alike.
And Michelle Obama just wants people to stop mistaking her for RuPaul.
You have no taste.
PM, stop licking “what”, you don’t know where it’s been.
I have an idea of where what’s been and why,
which I suppose is what what wants.
I heard that what What wants is a good double-play pivot, but I could be mistaken.
Abbott and Costello FTW!!!!
I was wondering after I posted that if it was too hard to get there.
I don’t know.
Wait. What?
What? Why wait?
What wants what what wants when what wants it.
Who’s on first?
I said what what in the butt.
Ru Paul is shorter, white and a howling loon monkey, who’s so right wing that he’s a RINO…
If you’re having trouble with discerning the difference between a black woman and a white man, then you’re in trouble…
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Attached is a picture of Ru at the weekends…[link]
That guy totally rocks the color purple. Are you sure he’s not even a little black? Just a smidge?
That’s no Ru Paul. Click above for his bio. Check out the ‘fro from 1970-1975.
Dammit. That’s *not* Ru Paul. Bloody new keyboard (and not enough caffeine in me yet).
Oh, that’s just Fester being Fester. He always gets the right-wing pseudo-Libertarian demagogue mixed up with the big black drag queen makeup spokesmodel.
He’s English, we can’t expect him to know ALL our drag queens, that’d just be unfair of us.
I think you’re conflating with Ron Paul with Ru Paul (link), although it’s understandable, since they’re both somewhat fabulous.
according to a few lol’s ago Michelle will be the one always hooking up with Obama in public, so give some time and I’m sure people will be able to tell them apart.
Irony? Before I read the caption I thought it WAS Michelle Obama.
You wouldn’t have made that mistake if you could see her teeth.
Did you know you can determine the age of a Condi by examining the shape and size of its teeth? This one is apparently 4,000 years old. Seriously though, she’s an attractive woman. When she keeps her mouth shut. Must… resist… misogynist… joke… AHHHHHH!BUTAREN’TTHEYALL! sorry, sorry, so sorry.
I thought it was by counting the rings inside said Condi Tooth…
Sorry, but that’s a Washington. You were close though, they age about the same way.
*blinks*
Yeah… same here. I was like “What?? That’s NOT Michelle Obama?”
You should be flattered, Condi.
Actually, she should be flattened…
I have a motion on the floor to flatten Condi. Do I have a second?
SECOND! I hope you’re flattered.
There’s a second. All those in favor?
Eye! (wink)
every time i hear about condoleeza rice all i can think of is dave chappelle as clayton bigsby yelling out “cunnilingus rice!”
michelle obama vs. condoleeza rice in a throwdown match to the political end!
Shouldn’t it be the other way around?
That’s probably the most attractive picture of Condi I’ve ever seen (though that’s not saying much)
Really? People confuse them? huh.
Michelle has a more dished face, pinched and shallow in the middle. She’s all high-boned.
They’re both good girls!
Oh no, now we’re gonna see the two of them on TLL o_O
Hey, its Michelle Obama!
Be hard to mistake the two of them if you’ve heard them speak – Condi is saturated with huge amounts of class, intelligence, accomplishment, talent, and she is not seething with anger or only just now proud of her country. Link to her appearance on The View (even Behar was slack-jawed in amazement lol.)
However, if people are mixing them up, I’d be frustrated if I were Condi too
Nothing like the pretence of being a social liberal is their, Reich Girl?
*their? that should be there…
Does the mention of Reich bring out DWN’s wang or does that require the “N” word specifically?
It’s always rather amusing to see the left come out with the Nazi canard, yet foam at the mouth if anyone else ever makes comparisons. But, honestly, after Garofalo/Olbermann’s little chat the other day, the left doesn’t get to lecture me about racism, misogyny, or hate speech ever. again. Ever.
I hate to break it to you, but “the left” is not one person. Unlike you on the right, we all have our own opinions rather than parroting back the party line. Why not just post links to the talking points instead of copying and pasting them?
That’s not terribly fair, Seth. Those on the right are more than happy to have their own opinions. They just have to wait a day or two for Rush to tell them what they are.
Well, Herb, you have all of the main stream media telling you what to think! You have it easy!
Well, nearly three weeks wasn’t worth the wait for that bit of inanety…
…and then grovel for forgiveness for any deviation.
Wait, back the trolly up! I lean just right of middle and I sure don’t need Rush et al to tell me what to think. I let my wife do that for me..
I hate to break it to you, but “the left” is not one person. Unlike you on the right, we all have our own opinions rather than parroting back the party line.
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You might go for that old “we’re all individuals” trick, but I will forever conform and explain that “I’m not!”
@Eds: There is no reason to believe that you are in Seth’s sights. I believe he is aiming for the group on the far right who don’t demonstrate independent thought patterns.
You think and act for yourself, and back up everything you say, unless your bride objects, of course.
@rho: Yeah, I know.. I just wanted to clarify my position just in case I was called a
RINO again. But really, thanks for having my back!
@eds: when I’m being a jerk about the right wing, its always in response to someone being trollish, and its just a dig. You and Froofrou, among other intelligent right wingers I know, have proven to me that the right wing has some good free thinkers. Really, when I’m kvetching about the right wing, I mean the loons and neocons (who aren’t really right wing at all, despite what they call themselves.)
Oh, you mean like Dhoti! Actually, I knew that Seth, but I’m glad you clarified
anyway. I just don’t want to be lumped in with people like that.
*gives Eds a Certificate of Non-Lumpage*
Froo needs one too..
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*admires certificate and hangs it on the wall*
And thus with a slip of the tongue, my wang is awakened. Like harsh reality called sunlight oozing through almost closed blinds while you sleep, my wang penetrates the subconscious. The mention of such things only serve to ask for my wang.
My wang never knew it was so loved.
“…my wang penetrates the subconscious.”
Not nearly as disturbing a visual as the inevitable withdrawal of said wang, leaving only a void upon which to reflect on memories like a milky discharge.
After which, Bob sits in R’yleh silently smoking.
DWN: great book by Richard Tierney – Drums of Chaos. It’s a ‘prequel’ to The Dunwich Horror.
Set in the Holy Land, 1st C… Since you know TDH, consider who else was preparing the earth for the kingdom of his father to know who the ‘bad guy’ is….Get it and love it…
*adds to list of books to get. adds Fester to list of people who won’t die when I overthrow the world*
That reminds me of the end of Billy Madison, “I’m sure glad I called that guy!”
I <3 Steve Buscemi
You were the one who called Michelle Obama a ‘gorrila’ on the Rush thread, so I think you’re just a hypocrite Reich Girl…
btw, who’s foaming? I don’t get angry about others’ opinions. I made a joke! It seems to me this response is beginning to lean towards self-rightous ranting/foaming though.
I find it funny that many on the right accuse us of this sort of thing because they can’t comprehend anyone NOT reacting this way.
Wait around, Minerva. It’s about to get funnier. Anniee is good at pulling this
sort of stunt.
*makes fresh popcorn; offers Minerva seat next to hers*
*takes seat, has some popcorn* I’ll have to be not so absent more often. I seem to have missed much.
Ditto that, min.
*offers sour patch kids*
*dons RealD glasses, offers Junior Mints around*
Thanks herb and slan! Where do I get the “RealD” glasses? I missed that line on the way in. *passes Whoppers*
*hands Minerva RealD glasses and a back of Junior Mints*
Bag. BAG of Junior Mints *sigh*
*perks up* Did I hear Junior Mints? *salivates and whimpers hopefully*
*offers Jane the last box of Girlscout Thin Mint cookies*
OM NOM NOM NOM NOM
someone said thin mints?
@ubr: *passes thin mints*
Enjoy!!
I was hoping so… but David Duke’s cheerleader here is the only one who’s managed to be overtly racist
That really made no sense in context. I know you like sniping at me, but this one just didn’t work very well.
Aren’t you a Libertarian any longer, Anniee?
wtf? libertarian? she might claim to be but her posts do not support it…
Nah, really, she’s just a troll throwing anything out there for attention.
@Anniee: “Condi is saturated with huge amounts of class, intelligence, accomplishment, talent,…”
Considering that you used these words for comparison, please explain how it is that you believe Michelle Obama lacks *any* of these qualities:
1. class
2. intelligence
3. accomplishment
4. talent
I’m more interested in how she achieved “saturation”. Was it a dip or more of a spray, do you think?
I don’t think it would be a spray, we would be able to tell.
Gah! I forgot to change my e-mail and now I have a pink avatar.. *headdesk*
Pink is YOU dear! Let no one tell you otherwise! xx
(You may need to wipe the lipstick off… it was ‘Cure Night’ at the ‘Throssling Swan’…)
*snort*
You know on the rare occasion that you actually say something worth reading, you wonder why people treat your comments/opinions the way we do? This is why.
Definitely a dip, Seth.
ACSIS, because I have observed many admirable and impressive (to me) qualities in Condi Rice and have not in Michele Obama? That’s your reason? Well color me unimpressed, then. If I’m allowed to use that word.
First, you are allowed to use any word that PK lets you post. So are we. That’s how free speech works. So, you can call Michelle a gorilla like you did, and we can call you a racist skidmark on the underpants of humanity. Free speech works both ways. Second, you are wearing blinders. You have a rigid world view and reject anything that doesn’t fit that view. In your view, the right is all things good, and the left is all things bad. Therefore, Michelle can’t have any good qualities, and Condi can’t have any bad qualities. That says nothing about the two women, it says you are incapable of looking at the world rationally. I dare you to even attempt to say something bad about Condi (there’s plenty to say) and something good about Michelle. It should be an instructive exercise for you, because you will find your emotions rising and shutting down your logical facilities. The best you will be able to manage is an underhanded insult of Michelle and one of those fake job interview ‘what’s your worst quality’ answers about Condi. Go on, try it.
I can’t wait to see the response to this one. I suspect I’ll be waiting a long time, though, so back to laundry.
@ Seth: One point to clarify: I’m sorry if I missed an attack against Michelle Obama, but, to my knowledge, Anniee only called a black female depicted in another LOL a “gorilla.”
I like the exercise you’ve suggested. If Anniee tries it, and her head doesn’t explode, she could learn a lot about herself, and expand her ability to see the big picture. I’m probably hoping for too much though… *sigh*
I don’t think anyone here assumes that you’re either naive or stupid and yet you apparently think that we are. You also like to play naive when it suits your agenda, but since we’re not naive, we’re not actually falling for it.
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You’ll say something like (I know you didn’t say this exactly, it’s an example of the type of comment you’ve made), Michelle Obama should be lynched.
When someone tells you that’s racist, you start crying, OMG You’re the racist. I didn’t say that! Your mind went there, not mine! I made an innocent comment about killing her and it was your mind that made it racist. I had no idea that lynching was ever used against black people!! See how you big mean evil lefties twist my words?!?
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I don’t have the patience to sit here and look up all the past crap like this you’ve posted (but there are some people here who love doing that sort of thing).
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You are disingenuous, dishonest and a game player. You hide behind a field of straw men and whine that you’re not taken seriously. If you’re really here for honest discussion, burn your straw men now. There are plenty of people up here who have differing ideas who don’t have to lie in order to get their point across.
Hear, hear. Well said.
ACSIS,
I love you…
Fester you’re such a tease
I speak as I find…
ACSIS, I love you too (but in a manly way). Well freakin’ said, mate. If you have honest convictions about what you believe to be right and wrong, left or right,
then by God stand up for them. But like you said, don’t try and play head
games with people.
Head games like making it seem a person had said things akin to calling for a lynching? Yeah, I agree, head games like that suck. But apparently it garners you a lot of love here. Next time use a real quote instead of something **completely** outside the character of any actual statement a person has ever made, ACSIS.
That’s called attacking a straw man, and while your friends like it, it is a logical fallacy and you most definitely lose.
@Aimee: I read ACSIS comments and he admitted that you never said that you wanted her lynched, he was just reaching for an example…I think you need to…oh fu(k it…
*@Anniee, or whatever the hell it says…the print’s too small…damn new nesting
Don’t even try it, mothergoose, I can read. He said that wasn’t an exact quote, but that it was typical of things I would say. Then he went on to make one of the most extreme comments anyone could ever make, calling for the public and vicious MURDER of a public figure.
I’m sorry, but that. does. not. wash. There was nothing typical, or characteristic, or even remotely honest in using that kind of rhetoric and attributing it to me, and you. know. it. If you don’t know it, you’re stupider than you look.
That he got praise heaped on him for such a ridiculously dishonest tactic just reminds me where I am.
He may have said something more *murderous* than you
have posted, but not more *ridiculous.* Now that we have
that sorted, why don’t you try to address the actual POINT
he was making, while you’re ducking, bobbing and weaving?
(For those of you keeping score at home, Anniee is giving us
an example here of exactly what ACSIS just said she does.)
And as for your last sentence, cue whining like a brat because
you get no love from the unfair meanies on PK.
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that is a scarily good impression…
Um… seems to me the leftists play the victim card… and so well!
And again, nearly three weeks to come in as a sock in support? Riiight…
No issues there
I understand your point…but you just keep flaming away anyhow. The funny (or sad) thing is, you want to be taken so seriously about your views, but won’t really give an inch to see the other side…Condi is sooooo great…really?…I agree, she’s an intelligent, capable woman who should be respected for her accomplishments…but you won’t give Michelle Obama that much…because she’s “sleeping with the enemy”.
@eddiepscetti
I luvs ya right back. Of course in a manly way! Pffft, who needs women??
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*lobs batch of girl love cooties all over ACSIS*
Hah! Bullseye!!
You can play dirty all you want (in fact I like it), but I’ve been cootie free since ‘73
;-p
I like girl cooties…
“Michelle Obama should be lynched.”
Uh – yeah, no. That’s not even remotely like anything I’ve ever said about anyone. Ever. At all. I said her picture looked like Dr. Zaius on steroids, and I’ve likened his cabinet to the monkey trial orangs in the movie – his cabinet, you’ll note, is varied in color.
And it was not subtle at all or an implication that the left are the real racists – I absolutely stand by that. Between the treatment of Clarence Thomas and Condoleezza Rice and now Michael Steele, you guys just LOSE on that high ground bullsh**. Patronization does not equal respect. Pity does not equal color-blindness. GarawfulHo and Olbermann smarming on the stage claiming that ALL conservative women and ALL conservative people of color are mentally ill, EvaBraun/Squeaky Fromme self-loathing house negroes with Stockholm syndrome? They can eat my sh*t; I have seen the “non-racist” left in action with their patronizing garbage and their lack of attempt to even TRY to avoid being blatantly racist towards black people who disagree with them, and never. again. does the left get to lecture me. I WILL come from a color-blind point of view and whatever you read as racist is going to have to be your own damn problem at this point.
It’s a shame Martin Luther King got his dream a little too hard…he wanted a day where we were judged not by the color of our skin but by the content of our characters…this election proved that neither matters anymore. And when we’re all rioting in the breadlines, we will have the comfort of knowing it’s our common hunger and not our race that is causing it.
heh, heh, heh, he h, h e h
Yew kin thee her boobths…
mmmmmhhhmmmmmm…me thinks the lady doth protest too much…
Anniee, if you’re so “color blind,” why don’t you try the exercise that Seth described above?
@Rho: ego…that’s why…
Squeaky and I, we’re two peas in a pod, I tell ya …
Oh, and you’ve also ignored a question from me up there, too. Sounds like you don’t like challenges too much.
If you are only here to spew, Anniee, just say so, and we’ll leave you to your own little spittle-filled pocket of self congratulatory comfort.
rhorho, I don’t read seth’s comments, and since you recommended me to now, I’m reminded why. He thinks I’m “right-wing” lol. And support all conservatives (as though there’ve been any since 1988 or so.) Though I’d love to see a hard leftist attempt to say something nice about Clarence Thomas, Michael Steele and Condi Rice, then something bad about Obi & co lol.
The left just believes that racism is “not liking the black people I like” while being free to be as racist as they want to be when it’s a black person they are allowed to dislike (such as Thomas or Rice.) I didn’t see any condemnation among the left except among certain feminists when the racist Rice and Thomas cartoons came out; but they’ll scream bloody murder if anything even approaching racist (or that could SEEM racist) comes out against their heroes. That’s hypocrisy. They felt free to call such people house negroes and depict them as slaves and cronies. It’s VERY hypocritical.
And while you’re free to call me a racist sh*tstain, it doesn’t matter to me what hypocrites say about a subject – I don’t buy it, I don’t treat people DIFFERENTLY based on race (while the left loves to) and for the most part conservative administrations have picked qualified people of color with little to no fanfare about “look at me! I picked a black lady!” like the left does. Pfft. I’m going to like, dislike, praise or mock based on character and behavior; I don’t give a good GD what the hell color the person is.
FYI, this is where the drool got too thick: “The left just
believes that…”
You have no clue. Seriously. You’re making up the Enemy
Left on the one hand, providing them with opinions out of
your a$$, then claiming not to be Right Wing.
The Black lady in the picture, remember her? The one you
called a gorilla? Is she left or right? Don’t know? Why did
you call *her* a gorilla, huh, Anniee? You haven’t posted
that before about anyone else, have you? FYI, the woman
did NOT look like a gorilla and she wasn’t doing anything
but eating a turkey leg and holding a drink. How did you
get your *gorilla* comment from that, eh?
“I don’t give a good GD what the hell color the person is.”
…as long as they’re conservative.
There: FTFY.
No you’re a zombie… you played out virtually every card you have…
you tried to impress, you failed… we weren’t…
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As to hypocrisy, I’d suggest you actually read what you write some time.., you’re certainly incoherent… self contradictory and inconsistent.
and I’d reel in the sh!tstain comments, retard, you’re among adults…
“and I’d reel in the sh!tstain comments, retard, you’re among adults”
Bwahaha! He doesn’t read Seth’s comments either! Oh god, you guys are unintentionally hilarious sometimes – sometimes it’s the audacity of the hypocrisy and sometimes it’s just stupidity, but the comments can be funnier than the lols.
Hehe – oh Fester, thanks for the win! Methinks you’re the Colbert/Poe’s Law jester here, ain’tcha? It’s kind of cute
Pretty sure the only angry frothing here is coming from anniee
Annie, calling Unc a Colbert/Poe’s Law jester simply means that you don’t understand what you’re saying. *You* are the conservative self parody here, you see. Projecting your problem onto another is not helpful, at any rate.
Minerva, you’re right. Maybe Anniee thinks frothing is as much a natural state for everyone else as it is for her.
Seth was dumbing down, sh!tstain…
Wow. That was awesome. I picked the wrong day to do laundry, I guess.
It was extremely entertaining. However, it was damn near 70 degrees here today and I will NOT be sorry for spending the day outside.
Amen Annie! I’ve never seen an angrier individual than Michelle Obama. Talk about bad attitude! Condi, on the other hand, is cool, classy, and cultured – three things that Michelle Obama will never be if she lives to be 100.
*sigh* you think this fools anyone?
Maybe it’s just me, but the ‘all black folk look the same to me’ jokes are very, very, 1955
Seconded.
These two look nothing alike, and didn’t in 1955, either, since Condi was a baby and Michelle wasn’t even a gleam.
Yeah. The joke does tast a bit mildewy.
TBH, it reminds me of the starch they used to use on bed linen in the 1950s…
that smell/taste you get at the back of your mouth… than and something dead walled up somewhere cool and dry…
Reminds me of the black face they used in the 1850s …
1850s? We had the Black and White Minstrel Show until the mid 1970s… And the Robinson’s Golly until the 1990s
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But we never had rules that meant black people couldn’t vote etc… Slaves couldn’t, but we had universal male suffrage *after* we got rid of slavery, so it was never an issue… You lads had black clauses, we didn’t. So it was a less fraught issue for us…
England beat the U.S. in abolishing slavery by about 30 years, as well.
Even after the 15th Amendment (1870), there were further attempts to restrict the Black vote, such as poll taxation and out-and-out intimidation tactics (illegal, but unchecked).
Also, I haven’t seen racist political cartoons about Michele like I did many times about Condi. (Link)
Oh, yeah, Anniee, nobody EVER made any racist comments about Michelle. Oh wait, Republicans made ALL KINDS of racist jokes about her. ‘Baby Mama’ ring any bells? I hope you enjoy your sour grapes, you’ll be eating them for the next eight years. First Lady Michelle Obama, mmmmm, it has a sweet sound, doesn’t it? Get used to hearing the phrase “First Lady Michelle Obama.” And you may want to get over your ridiculous bitterness and learn a little about her from something other than right wing blogs and Rush Limbaugh. First Lady Michelle Obama is a better human being than you and that lying sack Condi put together.
Who said that Michelle looks like a ‘gorilla’ then claimed it wasn’t a racist slur? I’m sure they’re posting on this thread… their name escapes me… Anniee, would you remember, perchance?
Well SOMEBODY had to say that; that picture was so monkey it was ridiculous. And I still can’t believe you people equate monkeys with black people – that’s so disgusting. Bush was Chimpy too, remember?
At any rate, I wasn’t aware that a comment on a website equaled cartoons put out in actual newspapers – those Condi cartoons were filthy and vile, and I’ve not seen anything like that against Michele Obama yet. Perhaps you could point me to something equivalent. I did see some people make fun of her black (African-American) Widow dress on election night, but that wasn’t racist like those disgusting Condi cartoons. And again that wasn’t in newspapers. Considering I read mostly leftist stuff, I guarantee that if there’d been a racist political cartoon in a newspaper about Michele Obama, I’d have seen it.
No, it was your comment… that’s as cartoonish as it gets… but please, twitch and deny some more… it’s amusing…
“Well SOMEBODY had to say that…”
What a bigot says when confronted. Geez! Say you were wrong, and move on already. Your defense of your bad act is not helping. You were wrong.
As to the other, Condi’s cartoons developed over years. Show me any cartoons made against Condi as of March, 2001. Then you would *almost* have a point, except that comparing Condi’s function in the Bush administration to Michelle’s status as First Lady is a stretch.
But don’t bother to answer before you admit that you were wrong to call the black woman a gorilla.
I am quite impressed with Ainnie’s circular logic that implies that anyone who saw her comment as racist is the one who is racist because they are equating black people with monkeys.
*offers Jane troll repellent*
Be careful using that “logic” word around Anniee. That word sets her off!
She has been known to take logic and twist it like a balloon animal maker at a carnival.
*sprays repellent* I like the one’s that look like giraffes.
“Ape” and “Gorilla” have a long history of being used by whites to be derogatory, disrespectful, and insulting to African Americans. It’s repulsive that this wretched woman is still trying to justify it. I’d have the same reaction to her as if she said Obama was a colored, spade, a nigger, a black nigger, a jungle bunny, jigaboo, coon, picaninny, mao mao, , . or the President, of the United States of Love ….
Seriously??? Anniee451 reads mostly leftist sources? Can she name one??
Pundit Kitchen
I’m sure the real answer is the “Palin-esque” “All of them.”
@death Pundit Kitchen IS a great source for fluff, if nothing else.
I know… it’s odd that she seems to quote Limbaugh transcripts verbatim, and post links backing her points from right wing sources only…
And how would you know what Limbaugh says if you despise him so much? Main stream media telling you what to think again? Read everything, become politically aware and draw your own conclusions. Ad hominem attacks are so Bush era.
I can read transcripts Anniee, same as you. And it’s generally funny…
As ‘Main stream media’ well, if you don’t think a strung out bloaty fat man isn’t mainstream media, I don’t know what you’re defining as ‘mainstream’
He’s certainly mainstream enough to be able to buy his way out of a drugs rap…
Did people miss this oh so (less than) subtle insinuation that it’s the left who’re the racists? haha, nice try..
and misogynist.
rhorho, I understand what you mean, but I do not think it was **wrong**. You think it was racist by nature, then that is something weird in the way YOU or someone else thinks, because as we know from McChimp and THe Chimp, it has nothing whatever to do with a person’s race, and everything to do with their face and behavior and expression. That picture looked like Dr. Zaius – SO WHAT?
At any rate, speaking of leftist sources, this happened to feminist Amanda Marcotte when she came out with her book, “It’s A Jungle Out There,” (surviving patriarchy or some such crap) and IIRC she stuck to her guns – and for once I agreed with her. The cover of the book was a white woman being carried off by a gorilla. Well, the race-baiters were FURIOUS – insisting that it was racist. Um, WTF? Seriously, WTF? Only someone who equates a gorilla with black people could think that. Now inside, there were some depictions of tribal people that could be seen as prejudiced, but the cover you really had to be someone who thinks in a really weird fecking way to get that out of it. Go look it up.
I read ThinkProgress, Pandagon, Shakesville, Bitch, and surf around to all their links and sources. Like “The Economist” which is always good for a laugh. Anyway those are just off the top of my head; I stick with that stuff because it’s important to know what the enemy is up to at all times.
Honestly, this is painful. Do yourself a favor and stop posting in your own defense. Any adult with a reasonable amount of intelligence and the ability to make it through their day without walking into inanimate objects damn well KNOWS it is racist as hell to use monkey/ape etc. as a comparison to someone of African American decent. If YOU continue to think there is nothing wrong with it and that it’s only us misreading your comments then I invite you to walk up to the first black person you see, tell them they resemble a monkey, and then see how you fair. Until you do, and bear in mind I never tell ANYONE on this board to do this, SHUT THE F*CK UP.
Wait — aren’t we all descended from monkeys, and didn’t Bush get made fun of constantly for resembling a monkey and making monkey-esque faces? Why the double standard? Why is everyone so incensed about the fact that someone pointed out she had a bad photo in which her facial features were somewhat apeish?
I’m really not trying to piss anyone off, I’m just trying to understand whiy a double standard exists. People here have called Bush chimpy, apelike, etc, and everyone seems fine with it since it had to do with perception of his
intellect and not the color of his skin.
Would it be okay, and in fact, fair, to ascribe ape-like qualities to Michelle Obama if we perceived her as acting intellectually inferior, then?
Marvellously disingenuous comment there…
The “I’m really not trying to piss anyone off” is probably the biggest tell that is exactly what you’re trying to do…
I’d suggest that you stop being an ass and try and make a point.
She has no point, Fester. She’s all pillow-y and soft. Didn’t you read the apologist thread she had a while back? I bet she has stock in Ho-Hos.
Thanks for your input, but I was asking for discourse, not insults.
My point is I was hoping for a rational explanation for why a double standard exists. If I was trying to piss someone off, I would have come in screaming like a banshee about it.
Would anyone like to discuss this with me in a non-confrontational manner?
… And thanks for being mature.
I’m sorry, pitttypat, I don’t understand your comment (?)
More disingenuous bullcrap
read my comment below. that should answer your question about the “double standard”
It’s not likely to read…
@ubr: Thanks. I guess I missed that altogether — no one does that where I live. Historically, hmm? can you refer me to some literature where
black people are called monkies? I’ve heard many racial slurs
in my lifetime, but that quite honestly is one I’ve been fortunate
enough not to run in to. Do you know of any scientific or non-
fiction works that make such assertions?
I’d Google it, but I’m not sure how to phrase it!
Here’s a source for you. The text is mostly about the examination of gender in science, but there is significant information on how the study of the various primates in nature was seriously influenced by racism, both in illustrations and theory development.
Nature’s Body: Gender In The Making Of Modern Science by Londa Schiebinger (Paperback – Nov 25, 2004)
Not that I buy the ignorance, but here’s a good place to start. Yes it’s current, but has references.
@ ubr: I Googled. There are a lot of racists out there.
Monkeys is spelled with a “y,” I see.
I can see why it would be insulting based on skin color, but
I still have that little niggly “but we’re ALL apes” thing in
my head that I guess makes me less empathetic (not that
I’m trying to be insulting, mind you).
Thanks again.
Very current [link]
another current one [link]
The good link with an article isn’t posting yet. It should be two above this one, and I assume will show up in a while.
Thank you, viking gal.
I appreciate science; I’m cooped up in a research lab a lot.
(But I work with snails and rats, not monkeys).
I believe I will really enjoy that source.
You didn’t wonder why people called this racist? [link]
That’s an extremely literal spelling of the word ‘monkey’, Kewt. Why would you do that?
@ ACSIS: I get the stereotypes portrayed on the second image;
I’ve heard and been witness to “chicken, watermelon and
kool-aid” but I honestly was unaware monkey was used as a
slur. I’ve heard lots of them, just none simian in nature.
Thanks.
I’m going to try this article link again [link]
I tried to post the article link again, but it’s not showing up.
I think it will, later, but now there will be two of them.
@ ACSIS:
That cartoon is horrible! Did that run after he became president?
I sadly don’t have much time to keep up on current events;
I’ve got three labs right now.
Forget I even asked about this. Yipes.
Well, the link isn’t publishing yet, so here’s an excerpt from the
article. He’s posting an excerpt from an article written in 1867 titled:
“The Negro: What Is His Ethnological Status?”
Written by Ariel (aka Rev. Buckner H. Payne of Nashville, Tenn.).
Rev. Payne then broke it down scientifically: “[W]e take up the monkey, and trace him … through his upward and advancing orders – baboon, ourang-outang and gorilla, up to the negro, another noble animal, the noblest of the beast creation. The difference between these higher orders of the monkey and the negro is very slight, and con
Arrgh, here’s the whole excerpt as I meant to include it:
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Rev. Payne then broke it down scientifically: “[W]e take up the monkey, and trace him … through his upward and advancing orders – baboon, ourang-outang and gorilla, up to the negro, another noble animal, the noblest of the beast creation. The difference between these higher orders of the monkey and the negro is very slight, and consists mainly in this one thing: the negro can utter sounds that can be imitated; hence he could talk with Adam and Eve, for they could imitate his sounds.”
Okay, now THAT wasn’t taught in my US History class …
Does it classify the other races, to?
(I’ll try to give it a read this spring break).
Oops *too
I know I should’nt laugh, but the last sentence made me
snorfle. Evolution to Adam and Eve in the same paragraph!
This guy’s an idiot!
LOL!
@ froofrou: I’m embarrassed that I misspelled it; I’m in Biology and shouldn’t have. Oops!
I’ve run into some ‘lovely’ things like that in the history of science…stuff which somehow never made it into my SCIENCE courses’ examinations of history as a biology major! –like using anatomy to ‘prove’ that women were inferior and child-like, or the whole ‘northern europeans are superior’ thing. Interesting stuff…if scary!
I’m gonna try to cheat: here’s the link. Put all the pieces together to make one url.
undercoverblackman. blogspot. com/2007/08/black-people-as-monkeys-wit-and-wisdom. html
(Ack. I can’t make this work right, so I hope it’s not full of typos)
I’m just getting started on this science thing, and I’m really looking forward to learning more specifics and reading about some of the less-than-stellar science going on.
Incidentally, I just finished reading “Stiff- The Curious Life
of Human Cadavers” by Mary Roach.
I was hooked from the opening line: “The way I see it, being dead is not terribly far off from being on a cruise ship. Most of your time is spent lying on your back”
Yea! It worked, copy, paste, strip…(the url, unless you want to read it naked)
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Viking Gal, you reminded me of this image – I love this and haven’t found the right place to use it up here yet, so here ya go, [link]
Crap, linking isn’t being friendly today. Let’s try this
click here
Holy sh!t. This asshole had it all figured out, didn’t he!
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“… Adam and Eve being white, … they could never be the father or mother of the kinky-headed, low forehead, flat nose, thick lip and black-skinned negro…”
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The minister continued: “[I]t follows, beyond all the reasonings of men on earth to controvert, that [the negro] was created before Adam, that, like all beasts and cattle, they have no souls.”
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I’m definitely reading that PDF over spring break.
Gimme a break, okay, guys?
My graduating class had 19 people in it, and this just never came up when I was a kid, and now that I’m at university and there are kids of color here, it still hasn’t!
I just noticed we got our nesting back!
These links were as much for Anniee as for you.
Edumacation is a good thing! (Simpsons reference in case you didn’t get that…)
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I grew up in the ’60s so it was all much more a part of my life than I’m guess it has been of yours. And my HS graduating class was > 1,250.
@ACSIS: You are definitely right there. I never had any friends
of color until I got to college — there just weren’t any black people
around! My parents and my friends and their parents aren’t racists
either; I don’t remember seeing anything like this on TV or at
the movies, and if I did it went over my head, I guess. I read
plenty of books, since we didn’t have cable often, but I really can’t
recall black people=monkey at all. I assumed everyone was
discussing this because of her skin color, but the historical references
are new to me. I’m glad I’m taking a diversity class next
semester.
1,250 is more people then we had in my town!
(And I did get the Simpsons reference — lol)
@ACSIS: thanks for the image. I’m going to use that next time I teach my seminar on science and society!
@death by kewt: nothing wrong with being inexperienced. I have found that that is easily corrected by paying attention. Well, that and the
occasional apology for foot-in-mouth syndrome… But the occasional serving of humility has been good for me, I think??
white people have not been historically referred to as monkeys ina derogatory term… that’s the difference.
mmmhmmm, yep, palin-esque “all of them” response, just as I thought.
Most days I find myself so preoccupied with leftist sh*t that I never do make it to any alternative sources. Of course I really only need to read the NY Times or WaPo to know what the left is saying, but I’m a masochist. Oh, I forgot HuffPo – I can only take that one in small doses though.
Hon, if you really want leftist, read Mother Jones, or Off Our Backs. NYTimes and the Washinton Post are relatively mainstream. Step off into the real left sometime…
I’m back to thinking this is Colbert…
Anyone else?
Nah, Unc. Steven is funny.
I’ve never thought so… he’s a bit too close to the real thing…
Poe’s Law FTW!!
Annie’s avatar needs to be added to the Wiki page, in fact.
I like the way she pretends to understand what she’s saying…
I’m with you on colbert. That’s a good source of talking points, no? LOL
@rho: what IS that, anyway? It looks sorta like a Karl Rove toadstool from this distance. When I first saw it, I thought it was a mushroom cloud. Seemed appropriate.
Anniee’s avatar is the beautiful Dumbo Octopus
Sorry, link in the above post a different link in this one.
And these:
http://www.mbari.org/data/info/grimpo.htm
http://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/contexts/icy_ecosystems/sci_media/images/a_large_dumbo_octopus
Those guys are great!
Yes, now that I’ve seen it up close (Thanks ACSIS!), I’m ashamed to have insulted the poor little octopus because of its unfortunate association with one so uncool.
*sniffle*
Yes, I remember many rants about her supposed black supremacy paper she wrote in school as well.
Her thesis, written in 1985, is titled “Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community.” If you’ve read it (which I have, in excerpts) you’ll note discussion of and allusions toward black separatism, but not supremacy.
I’ve read parts of it too. Most of the conservatives I’ve heard comment on it have no idea what it actually says, they only know what Rush or (insert talking head here) says about what it says. Almost no one takes int account the full context, let alone the fact that it’s a student paper written many years ago. Her opinions may or may not have changed in that time, but I know looking at some of my own old college papers… They seeem written by someone much removed from myself.
God, when I think about the papers I wrote in college. *shudders*
This is why not doing arts is a ‘good thing’… my college stuff had such
contentious highlights as ‘The Termination Problem and Universal
Turing Machine: A Mathematical Over View’ and ‘Use of Cumulative
Matrices in a Generic Industrial Robot Arm Simulator’…
@Fester: So can you tell us whether P=NP?
Ah, I was an education major. I wrote on such topics as: ‘Pirate Ideals in Boys’ Adventure Stories’ and ‘Eve: A Model of a Greek Heroine who is Doomed to Fall’ or some such nonsense.
I had to write papers about relationships for Group Dynamics. Boy do those papers seem a bit immature at age 3x…
Jane: That sounds like fun! Sometimes I wish I’d had for gone something “useless but fun” instead… Our thesis was titaled “Implementing a random device driver under Solaris 8″. It’s every bit as dry as it sounds, though we did get to elaborate for some time on the theories of pseudorandom numbers and such, so it wasn’t horrible. ;p
Oh, it really does look as if I’m saying education is useless. I don’t mean that – I meant some of my other potential career options which were useless but fun.
Once, but I think I did both of those pieces before you were born…
No worries Danbala, I know what you mean. Although my older brother sometimes makes those assertions.
Not by me. (Yes, I’m aware you didn’t say by me.) I’m still pissed that Hillary got away with claiming in HER paper that marriage and family were oppressive institutions akin to reservations, slavery and concentration camps and later just flat-out denied she’d ever said such a thing. I haven’t had time to worry about what Michele wrote; the woman doesn’t interest me.
but you still call her a gorilla… nice…
Meh, so you claim. *I* said Dr. Zaius. I’d think Lucius was more of an actual GORILLA but I didn’t call her that. I also didn’t call her Zira. Why? Because she didn’t look like Zira or Lucius in that picture. As to Obi-wan, he doesn’t look like any of them but he does look like Curious George. You act as if those apes were interchangeable – please, have some respect. Hands-down the most chimp-like people I have seen in my adult life (besides my grandfather) are the Oleson Twins – we called them nothing but “monkey-girl” from the time that show started, and I never found them cute in the slightest.
On the other hand, the Obama girls don’t look monkeyish at all, and neither does Condi Rice (who is very pretty, IMO). So…what’s all this hoopla about monkeys anyway? You seem fascinated by it. It’s weird.
And what does it have to do with what I said, which was that I personally didn’t know about Michelle’s stupid paper, but I have seen Hillary lie about her own when she compared marriage and the family to slavery and reservations. Then got away with denying she’d ever said it. Disgusting, really.
I stand corrected… you didn’t say she looked like a gorilla. You said she looks like an Orang-utan. Otherwise, you’re just loud and ignorant…
TBF, the ‘baby mamma’ thing was started by Michelle herself.
TBF, you’re full of crap. Fox Noise started it; apparently a producer there “used poor judgment.” (Who’d have thought that of Fox Noise?) [LINK]
The comment came from an introduction that Michelle Obama made of Barack Obama right before a (campaign?) speech where she called him her ‘baby daddy’. The natural progession of that is ‘baby momma’. It’s derogatory, but for some reason, the Magic Negro, ‘baby daddy’, and other derogatory comments attributed to the Right actually started a little further to the left.
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I admit mispeaking about the ‘baby momma’ vs ‘baby daddy’, but the comment was made.
Would this be the same speech where she railed about “whitey?”
Source or it didn’t happen.
A fourth of the way down, when they ‘listen in’ to Michelle introducing her husband after he won his Senate seat.
@froofrou: do you understand how cultural ‘in-group’ markers in language work? Here’s a clue: black people can use certain words that most white people shouldn’t. To another black person, the word is a cultural marker, a sign that the other person has similar experiences. When someone else uses one of these words, they had better be able to back it up with shared experience. I know a very few white folks who grew up in the ghetto who can use the ‘N’ word in mixed company and get away with it, but only AFTER they’ve used other, less contentious social markers to prove shared experience. When a white person uses the phrase ‘baby mama’ they are either being clueless and claiming experience they have never had, or they are being deliberately insulting. If black people were the dominant culture the situation would be different.
@Seth: (LOOOOVE your new gravatar, btw!) What if a white person is using the term baby-mama or baby-daddy about another white person? Would you still consider that inappropriate? I know plenty of people who DO use it simply because it’s a useful and utilitarian term for “that person I am no longer involved with but with whom I share a child”. (I don’t know that I’ve ever heard a white person use it with a spouse or someone they’re currently involved with, which is why I limit its use to that situation.)
I don’t know Diss (I know this wasn’t addressed to me, but I’ll weigh in). I’ve only ever heard those phrases used in an insulting/derogatory manner. I’ve sometimes heard them applied for the sake of humor, but the core of the humor is that it’s an insult. Like, my jerk of a boss who was constantly making remarks about the employees breasts, had an affair with one of the employees, left his wife, and then shacked up with said employee, who quickly became pregnant. I frequently called her his ‘baby mama’ to other people as a joke, but then she was also a wretched b*tch in addition to everything else.
@diss: The Obamas are married. To use the term on them is to imply they are not, and by extension to imply that it is normal for couples of color not to be married. Whites can use it with impunity to refer to themselves as long as no blacks are present. If blacks are present, it depends on how well everyone knows each other. In any case, the phrase is well on its way to being cross cultural.
@Seth (I, too, love the new Gravatar)… I agree that the phrase is on its way to becoming cross-cultural…as are most “hip-hop” cultural terms…but the N-word cannot ever cross those cultural boundaries into acceptance for whites…I understand that many African-Americans use it as a term of enderment, but I also have many black friends and coworkers who hate hearing it used in any context. Most of my coworkers (who are late-30’s early 40’s) try to counsel the young, black men we work with to stop using it altogether…while most understand the history of the N-word, many of my friends feel that its continued use (in any context) allows the negative image to be perpetuated.
I agree about the N word, and I too know a lot of black folks who don’t want it used by anyone. The issue is explained quite well in “I Ain’t the N*” by The Coup, a Marxist rap group from Oakland.
@MG: I’d be very, very happy to see the N-word go the route of linguistic death. Among other things, it makes it awkward to sing along with a lot of rappers.
@Seth: Not saying it would be appropriate to use with the Obamas. So was this :
“When a white person uses the phrase ‘baby mama’ they are either being clueless and claiming experience they have never had, or they are being deliberately insulting.” referring to using it about the Obamas? I took it as “using the phrase at all…if we miscommunicated I think we may be on the same page now.
@diss: yeah, I was referring to its use regarding the Obama’s, or similar situations.
Does anybody else get a mild hackle raise when they read the sentence, “they can use this word or phrase but others can’t?”
Well, if Diss said, for example, “Yo pittypat, my bitch, good one!” I would feel flatter delighted. If you said it, I’d back away slowly …
It’s the whole permission to speak thing that is getting on my nerves. I take people case by case based on what they present to me. Skin isn’t taken into account. However, Seth’s statement is telling me that I have to take skin into account even if I am not addressing said people. They simply have to be present to censor what I might say even in a casual situation.
Granted, these are not words I use often, if at all, but the idea of guilt and limitation for something I honestly haven’t done bothers me.
As for your example, if I called you a b!tch, you had better back away slowly because I am not in the mood for your company and you would have already p!ssed me off to get that response. The possible positive and/or sexual connotation for the word b!tch is not something you could earn from me to begin with, thus rendering your example a bit odd to me.
Wow that’s hostile. I don’t think I deserve that, D.
@DWN: Please reread more carefully. The word is ’shouldn’t’ not ‘can’t.’ Shouldn’t as in, you will likely offend someone, and most people do not want to offend others without good reason, and therefore, they shouldn’t. No one needs permission to use any word they like, but they should know the likely consequences of using that word. Nobody is talking about censorship, that is a straw man argument.
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The fact is, some of use belong to the dominant culture and some of us don’t. DWN, have you ever had people cross to the other side of the street out of fear when they saw you? Ever been tailed in a store because of race? Did you grow up where you simply had no positive role models that looked and acted like you?
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Nobody is required to consider all of this. There is no law saying you have to be sensitive to racial or gender issues. Nobody is claiming you are guilty of anything. I am just saying, if you do wish to appear sensitive to the issues that other people with different backgrounds may have gone through, there are certain steps you can take.
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Now, when you try to turn that advice around and make the claim that YOU are somehow being oppressed because others might be hurt by what you say and how you act, then you begin to cross the line into insensitivity. Maybe that doesn’t bother you, maybe you don’t care, but you don’t get to act however you please and expect others not to have a reaction to it.
Well, taking the issue of race out all together, I’d have to say that there is language you use casually among friends and then there is language you use when you are a reporter and are referring to the wife of someone who is running for president. I might joke with my friends and call someone else we know a “baby mama” but that is a world away from the context in which it was applied to Michelle Obama.
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As far as the “n” word goes, I’m of the opinion that no one should use it. I’ve heard arguments about reclaiming offensive words, but divisive language is divisive language and having a set of words one set of people can use but another can’t only means we continue to see them as “other”, which continues discrimination of all forms.
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That being said, and taking offensive words out of it, within all subcultures there are certain social cues that members who don’t belong to that subculture don’t understand and if they try to use them they are seen as fake or trying to hard. For example, Avril Lavigne calling herself a skater girl, or when your parents and teachers try to use slang that you use. It’s cringe worthy because they lack the shared experiences Seth was talking about.
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I apologize, dear Pittypat. I am simply stating the truth of what would happen if I was to use the word b!tch in a nonM/s situation. I wasn’t implying that you had annoyed me or anything of the sort.
@Seth: I was addressing your points, actually. You were stating about the word use shouldn’t based off the color of a person’s skin. Shouldn’t and couldn’t aren’t that far apart.
Also, you honestly don’t know my life experiences so you can’t really use the cross the street out of fear or the tailed in a store. You also can’t say much of anything about positive role models in my life. So let’s not play that game because that is just as much a strawman as what you called my censor statement.
However, you are using a guilt trip for a point in a very passive aggressive statement. As for oppression, not really making that claim. I simply stated that the statement that one color of people shouldn’t use the words of another color was something that annoyed me on principle.
Also, you need to stop talking down to me. It is something you do a lot and really detracts from your point. I am not stating that I expect people to be perfectly okay with everything I say. That is why I normally censor myself around people and don’t spout off like I have a worm burrowing into my skull and causing some mutant form of Tourrette’s.
I have simply stated that I find the idea of automatic word ownership tied to skin color as an obnoxious principle. I didn’t need the condescending Mile in Their Shoes speech which assumes that I don’t understand the problems of others. Nor did I need the snide remark about actions and consequences.
So I think you drawing more from my annoyance than is really there. I am not advocating the use of these words. They are rude and their use is beneath most people in most conversation. Hell, I don’t use them unless they apply. And by application, I shall quote Chris Rock. “I love my black people but I hate n!ggers.”
to be continued
Hey D, not to wedge in here *wedges anyway* but I reread your post to me and I totally misread it. I owe *you* an apology.
OK, I’ll try again. My posts aren’t showing up. Is it that string of nasty words I posted to the troll? Anyway, not to wedge in here between you and Seth, but I want to apologize because I see now that I misread your reply to me. Thanks for being nice about it anyway <3.
@Pittypat: Nothing but love for you baby.
Back at you sugar!
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Meh. That link is prolly way too racist for me to get it. :p
Don’t feel bad, I don’t have the first idea what it means.
Thanks, that makes me feel Not Alone.
You’re not, and I am a native of this insane country.
Wasn’t that image a satire on ‘The Color Purple’, just with Condi…
The Republicans have named a lying, cheating, racist drug-addict as their leader. If you don’t want to be called stupid, don’t bow to the stupid.
Also,. remember how the Dixie Chicks were treated just for saying they weren’t proud of a torturing scumbag.
you do realize that it was emmanuel rahm who said that rush was the leader of the GOP… right?
You do realize that the man’s name is “Rahm Emanuel” … right?
That always gets my goat.
But ewe don’t need to lambaste him.
i always hear him on radio/tv as emanuel rahm… not rahm emanuel… so… my bad…
Do you also hear “messages important these after right up coming”?
especially after a couple beers…
Michael S. Steele is “a lying, cheating, racist drug-addict”? Hmm.
I was thinking about going there, but I was busy and I just said fsck it…what you pointed out, too, ubr….
Gotta agree with the others here. Rush was the keynote speaker at CPAC, and not a named leader of the GOP. According to a straw poll taken at CPAC, the GOP front runner is Mitt Romney (20%), followed by Bobby Jindal (14%), with Ron Paul and Sarah Palin tying at 13% each.
The straw poll was not representative of the party, as 60% of the 1757 voters were in the age 18 – 25 bracket.
*sigh* That’s still kinda depressing.
If it makes you feel any better, the young skew is probably due to the
$15 student rate for the 3-day event.
That, and 4% of them approve of the job that Obama is doing, so it’s
possible that a few of the attendees were not “dyed in the wool.”
palin’s still on the list? srsly?
Yep, and here’s the rest of the field:
Newt Gingrich 10%
Undecided 9%
Mike Huckabee 7%
Mark Sanford 4%
Rudy Giuliani 3%
Tim Pawlenty 2%
Charlie Crist 1%
I think that Undecided shows some promise…
I’ve seen that guy on Dem polls to. A real bipartisan candidate.
Probably the only honest one, too…
aren’t all politicians technically “undecided”?
Valid point… until they can see how to turn a profit and still get elected by the proles, they don’t know anything…
I always like ‘None of the Above’… they should get more votes…
I can’t see Michelle crying to Congress that she didn’t have a plannnnnnnn — when it was her **JOB** to develop said plan.
How could they? Rice looks like a women.
Your “pack” must find you charming. Pluralize much?
Obama did drugs too don’t forget.
Bush did drugs, too. Does your thought train have a caboose?
I think if you’re looking for Wolvie’s train of thought you’ll find it on the next lol.
HAH! lol!
Who hasn’t these days. It’s just that the Republicans/conservatives who usually get self righteous about it. Except if it’s one of their own. Same goes for sex scandals. They’re remarkably hypocritical.
What, no comebacks? It’s been HOURS!
Sex, drugs, cottaging, child molestation… all seems to be a ‘blip’ in terms of the right wing. I think it’s to do with them adopting the religious meme… Satan in action…
Actually, coming from a rural, white community in Indiana (it sucked, trust me), i can understand how people don’t notice the difference between people of other races. I did it for a long time, but have since learned to distinguish them. (except for when they change their ‘do…damn weaves)
[link] to an interesting summary from the APA on a study involving cross-racial facial identification.
Okay, I’m a corn dog, but did anybody else get a cute Carol Burnett vibe off of this photo?
No, I think it’s just you…
Shoot me, but I’ve always gotten a Gidget vibe from her … [link]
I can kinda see it in the expression after you mentioned it, but I don’t think it would have occurred to me otherwise.
(psssst – the ear. It’s in the ear. And where’d my Gidget comment go?!?)
Above you? Or above this one?
lol condy wishes.
*gets earplugs*
Sorry Rice DX
Haha, I totally thought it was Michelle xD
But I’m not american so it’s ok
Can we go back to the talk about boobies
Ok….my boobies are small, but exquisitely sensitive.