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Given that administration’s poor record, my misreading of the caption as “this fail” is probably spot on.
Interestingly, the current admin has already managed to perform more flubs in a month and a half than the Bush folks did in a year….
We’re SOOOO screwed. Sigh.
Ignoring the ‘flubs’ I’d say the current administration is more likely for a Criminal Intent show. Of course, it would be rather boring since it will just be about evading your taxes, but whatever.
Yeah, that’s because Obama’s been more productive in a month than Bush ever was in a year.
Yeah, wicked productive. Hey, when you extract your head from your own ass, give us a call!
More productive in what, taking a dump on motivation for workers, capitalism,
telling the truth, the idea of industriousness, raising taxes, aiding the slaughtering
of babies, supporting porn, and destroying the American family? Yeah, according
to this, Bush’s productivity level was at zero. Bush FTW. ^_^
And just wait until the current crop of tax evaders, Senate`seat buyers and asorted grafters have their own program.
*yawn*
*belch*
*fart*
*sneeze*
*scratch*
*blink*
*gag*
*hurl*
*twitch*
*shimmie-shake*
*truffle shuffle*
Chunk!
Rocky… Road?
Sloth love chunk!
Chunk! [link]
Target Rich Environment FTW!!
*whines*
I like mine better! The Usual Suspects!
Oh yeah! I like that one, too!
thanks *salutes*
Yours is very nice!
TBH it reminds me of the poster for Swordfish….
I can see that too.
I’m assuming that since Karl Rove isn’t a regular cast member, he’ll be making several guest appearances?
I think a spin-off is in the works…
OMG I can’t wait!
In the criminal Bush system, the people are represented by two
separate yet equally important groups: the slimy warmongering
corporate lapdogs; and the … well maybe just the one group.
These are their stories.
Doesn’t Heidi Fleiss run the criminal Bush system.
You forgot the
“CHUN CHUN”
sound effect…
I wanted to add it, but I was unsure of the proper spelling. I sat staring at the computer for a couple minutes mentally trying different combinations before I gave up.
Ah, now the theme’s rolling in my end. DUNDUNDUNDUNDUUUUNNN
Damn it, now I have that running through my head.. at least Devo has been replaced.
Oh, this must be season one, because Colin Powell is still in there. He later leaves to kick off his own show…Condi Rice takes over his roll. She started the show as the National Security Adviser…Stephen Hadley comes in during the second season as NSA. MAN I wish they’d quit shuffling around!
Colin left because he was having Cheney’s baby and he couldn’t handle the necromancy involved with sustaining Cheney’s unholy existence. I had to stop watching after the first season, just got too weird.
That made me laugh until diet pepsi came out of my nose! Thanks a lot DWN.
You would have loved the episode where GW was going take interpretive dance and Linda was the teacher. The dyed hair was priceless. And Cheney was rocking that Moomoo with the hula hoop.
Classic plotline!
It was never the same after they got rid of Lynch, was it?
The lack of his flamboyantly gay flavor and stereotypical responses just left the show hollow.
I always liked the Catchphrases he used…
My personal favorite is when he won the card game and Colin Powell had to be Ms. Vice President for a day but that was the beginning of the end for the show.
Dressing in drag is always a jump the shark moment.
I guess that’s bad news for RuPaul’s new show.
True though I was thinking it was the screaming and then crying by Powell after having to consummate his union with Cheney and carry the seed of evil…
The drag sounds about right though.
I think that was a “Charmed” crossover. All those WB shows are interrelated somehow.
Sounds about right.
I love this entire thread of commentary.
And you are most welcome.
Old news, people hate Bush’s administration, boo hoo, we’ve over it. Move on, this horse is borderline glue from how much it has been beaten.
*looks around*
Nope, still in debt with a nasty problem to fix and a war that hasn’t ended. All of which Bush’s admin had a big hand in, even if they didn’t do it solo. So no, it isn’t old news. It isn’t old news until the problems are solved, then it is old news.
Maybe if we remember these cretins and criminals and keep that fresh in the mind, we won’t elect another of their ilk or at least not elect them twice.
they’re all politicians… so… we’re still screwed…
Politicians are just people we elect. We’re screwed because politicians are people, not because they are politicians. So yes, you’re right.
I spy with my little eye, a politician that wasn’t really elected wearing a red tie.
Is that the one we usually hang them with?
Good point. None of the people in the photo were elected, though
two of them stole an election.
the law of the land says that he was elected properly… so…
And who makes that law?
Well I was going to say that the law of the land can declare somebody innocent even if they are cackling mad guilty. A loophole was found and exploited, doesn’t make it any more right.
the supreme court, according to our constitution.
Noooo! The legislative branch makes the law; the judicial branch interprets it.
sorry, the point i was trying to make was that the supreme court decided on the issue…
Ok, I feel better now. Thanks for clarifying.
Which isn’t their job, if I recall…
the supreme court has to rule on the constitutionality (sp?) of law. in this case they ruled that the florida voting laws were unconstitutional which is completely in their power to do…
They ruled that the florida voting laws were unconstitutional in this one instance only, and never again should a legal principle be decided by referring to Bush v Gore. Dunno, sounded a little suspicious to me.
Pretty much an exception was made for Bush that was then stated as couldn’t be made for anybody else.
Ya, that seems perfectly legal to me…
where did the supreme court rule that this case could never be cited in future cases? i put in the wiki link that doesn’t seem to mention anything like that…
It’s in the “Scholarly Analyses” section of
the Wiki article, just after footnote 47.
actually, the footnote you pointed to only refers to the fact that elections are complex and using this decision in future elections would not accurately reflect the intent of the court.
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“Our consideration is limited to the present circumstances, for the problem of equal protection in election processes generally presents many complexities.”
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basically, the decision was based solely on the circumstances and minutiae of the florida constitution. i still do not see the conspiracy that everyone else does.
No conspiracy. This happens all the time, in many different circumstances. Basically, judges, and especially Supreme Court judges, need to be careful in defining the scope of their rulings. This is because our legal system is based on precedent as well as the wording of the law. I first became aware of this when the ruling came down on the medical necessity defense in regard to cannabis clubs. They basically said, “No dice. In THIS particular case. But… you could try the same defense again. We’d have to decide on a case by case basis.” So, it was bad, from my point of view anyway, but not as bad as it could have been if they had said, “And that’s just the way it is, in any case like this.”
Voting laws are supposed to be handled by each state
legislature, with limited federal intervention. The USSC
overruled the Florida Supreme Court allowance for a
recount, via Bush v Gore, 12 December 2000. It was a
dark day for jurisprudence.
the legislature did have the opportunity to contradict the supreme court’s decision, but not a single senator would stand with the 20 congressmen who opposed the electoral votes from florida…
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in the end the only thing that can wholeheartedly be said about the 2000 election was that it showed why we should abolish the electoral college…
The legislature may have had the opportunity
to disagree, but your use of the word “contra-
dict” implies that the decision could have been
legislatively overruled, which isn’t true.
The situation had nothing to do with the
Electoral College debate. Where did you read
that it did?
Of course, from what I read back then, if the Florida supreme court’s decision had been allowed to stand, and those counties which Gore’s people had chosen had been recounted, he still would have lost. But the overall study basically said the election was ‘wicked close’ in Florida…and that their voting system stunk.
“the situation had nothing to do with the electoral college debate”
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um. gore won the popular vote and lost the electoral vote. pretty self-explanatory.
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as for the legislature vs the supreme court issue, the legislature has to certify the electoral vote and since no senators objected to the supreme court decision the congressmen who did object were ruled out of order… [link] that happened two weeks before the inauguration…
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i’m just sick of hearing how “bush stole the election” when there were many people who had an opportunity to change the outcome and didn’t.
um. gore won the popular vote and lost the electoral vote. pretty self-explanatory.
Um, no. The USSC ruling that halted the
recount affected the Electoral vote numbers.
The ruling did not, in and of itself, create a
need for revamping the Electoral College
system.
Think about it.
think about what? gore won the popular vote and didn’t win the election… what else needs to be said to show that the electoral system is completely outdated?
Okay, let me try to ’spain this. Both candi-
dates ran with the EC in mind. The Florida
results were effed up, and attempts to
correct the eff-ups were a case of “too little
too late.” The EC votes were arguably in
Gore’s favor for FL, but we’ll never know.
The fact that Gore lost Florida has nothing
to do with the EC debate. The EC debate
has to do with rural areas not being ignored.
If the recount had been allowed to continue,
nobody would have worried about the EC
seriously enough to do anything about it. Did
you notice how EC reform was not a plank
on the Democratic Platform this election?
Boiled down, the USSC decision applied the
Equal Protection Clause over the principle of
fairness. Florida had in place the remarkably
effed up practice of having different voting
procedures in different counties, and the
subsequent need to recount the areas likely
favorable to Gore, as those were the
sabotaged counties.
Some who lose by the EC yet win by the
popular vote will rage for a while, but the
system is in place for a reason, and
the screaming has nothing to do with it.
Here’s the Wiki [LINK]
here’s my point:
the electoral college means that my vote in the 2008 election went for obama regardless of who i did vote for.
i do not believe that to be right and just.
regardless of how the supreme court sided in this particular case the electoral college is a failed system. every other election in our country is based off the principle of one man one vote. the fact that we do not vote directly for our candidates is an archaic system.
i’m not referring to the actual gore v bush in specifics, but rather that this election could have been decided without the supreme court or having to recount florida if we had done away with the electoral college and adopted the voting system that the rest of our government is based upon.
That’s always the whimpering of whoever
doesn’t win, even when the electoral votes
and popular votes are both on the winner’s
side. IIRC, you’re a Libertarian, right?
The “winner take all” policy of most states
(except Maine and Nebraska) could use
some examination, IMO.
my candidate didn’t even make a dent anywhere so… i’m just pissed. haha… there have only been two instances where the popular vote and the electoral vote were not on the same side and both sparked huge controversies… so i think that the system should be more transparent to avoid these problems in the future…
The EC is more to make sure that the (as Rho pointed out) rural voters are not disenfranchised. Are you even aware of how the ‘popular vote’ is calculated?
educate us froo… from my understanding of the definition of a popular vote it should be based upon 1 vote per person…
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question though, how does the electoral college disenfranchise rural voters? winner take all pretty much eliminates their votes to begin with…
sorry… “how does the electoral college prevent the disenfranchising of rural voters?”
A paradox
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While every American’s vote counts, then, your vote counts more if you live in a small state like Alaska than it does if you live in a big state like California. This seems like a paradox, because clearly a big state as a whole has more influence than a small state. If you’re running for president, you are more concerned about winning California, with its 54 electoral votes, than you are about winning Alaska with its 3 electoral votes. As a matter of strategy, you’d probably spend more time and money campaigning in the big states than in smaller states. As a result, residents of big states tend to get more attention in presidential elections than residents of small states, and so small-staters may feel left out and unimportant. Yet in reality, each individual voter has less influence in a big state than in a small state.
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But is it fair?
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Ah, that’s the question! It certainly doesn’t seem fair that a voter in Alaska effectively has more say about who becomes president than a voter in California. But Alaska is a perfect example of why the electoral college was created. Because it’s such a big state geographically, and because it is so far from the 48 contiguous states, Alaska has unique interests that, many would argue, deserve representation equal to the interests of New York or California. Other big western states with small populations, such as Montana and North Dakota, would make similar arguments. Of course, it’s hard to argue that Delaware, which had 3 electors and only 783,600 residents in 2000 (for a weight of vote of 2.00), really has unique interests that deserve special consideration. The fairness of the electoral system has been debated for more than 200 years, and it doesn’t appear that the debate is going to die down anytime soon.
@ubr: The EC is transparent.
Why do you claim it isn’t?
Did you mean “simple,” instead?
@rho – one of the members of the electoral college in 2000 abstained… IMO that’s not very transparent… and transparent (at least in my mind) means that you can see how it works, i don’t believe that the EC really functions in that manner.
@ubr: AHEM. Difficulty with the reading material?
Without looking it up, I’m thinking the
abstention was on some sort of principle,
and didn’t affect the outcome.
Another function of the EC (besides the main
one listed in froo’s post) is the notion that,
should the will of the people change between
the time they vote and the time the electors
vote, there is recourse through the college.
There’s nothing clandestine about the EC, as
far as I can tell. It may help you to read
a little more about it.
My post above was @ ubr.
@froo: LOL
@rho – we seem to be having a hard time communicating here. i’ve read about the ec and i don’t like the system. your comment about the “will of the people” changing between when i voted and when the electors vote doesn’t make much sense. how would the ec know that my vote should change?
isn’t that the entire problem? someone else decides who i’m going to vote for?
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and the fact that someone abstained in the 2000 election proves my point that the system is not transparent. we did not abstain to vote that year, so why/how did that guy?
No, politicans are not just ‘people’. They’re are soulless creatures of
the night, who hunger for power and control above all things, and
will take extreme measures to re-invent the world in their image.
Only the insane have the strength to prosper. Only those who
prosper say what is truly sane.
Which leaves me with a conundrum… Am I destined for greatness or just delusional?
You get sentimental about family… you’re just delusional
… Damn.
Sorry… if you’d sell your son for medical experiments
and then make emotional speeches about your
’sacrifice for the greater good’ at every available opportunity…
Well there goes my career in politics. I actually love my small family…
Sorry to bear bad tidings like that… I’m sure
politics loss is your little family’s gain
Although I’d probably have killed you and fed
the remains to brood sows if I’d had to live
with you a month…
(Don’t want people thinking I’m getting soft in me dotage)
Only if I didn’t have a Fester skin pair of pants with your facial skin covering the inside of the seat.
we’re screwed because no good person would consider being a politician, or that once someone is a politician they no longer can be considered a good person. so, we’re still screwed.
I say the same thing about teachers who get their administrator’s license and become principals, sadly.
I can just imagine Blarg standing outside the smoking ruin of Hiroshima, circa 1945… “Come on, it’s over now, could you just MOVE ON already?!”
Yaaaaa, the fall out issues that happened for years afterward were just them whining…
‘Your mother died of radiation poisoning? Aww come on… get over it
already…’
“Cancer? From Radiation? Pfft, you’re just a loser who is whining. It happened over a year ago. Pfft…”
Your false analogy is humorous at best. Not because of the analogy made, but because of the fact that you think it was a good one.
Ironically enough, I just got my first base assignment, and I’m heading to Kadena! Happiness.
Jolly good… don’t write.
I’ll let the other replies stand as judgment of how good an analogy it was. However ironic your assignment may or may not be, Alanis, I hope it works out for you.
So the corrupt government of the 1920s isn’t old news since there’s still some unconstitutional organizations (BATFE) that are left over from then?
We’ve already elected men like them…no politician this day is notably different from the others, save which audience their selling elixer to. The problem is millenia old; the men who are able to run a country know better than to do it, and the ones that want to aren’t capable.
Sorry, while your rhetoric of just dropping it because it never changes is poignant, I am going to go with no. This particular administration broke records for incompentence and mismanagement. Thus we going to milk this little bit til it screams and then milk it some more. After all, it is what we always do so you shouldn’t sweat it just like you don’t seem to sweat idiots in the office.
Murders aren’t something new but we still punish and feel anger towards those who commit the deeds, your appeal to tradition doesn’t work for me.
So for now, I can’t be for certain what Obama will do to prove you right so I am not writing him off yet. However, I still know what Bush did and is walking away from, Scot free, and will continue my derision. If/When Obama screws up, he will get plenty of bile.
I wasn’t necessarily saying to drop it, I would love for us to pick up the battle against NFA ‘34 where Jack Miller and Frank Layton left off. I was merely pointing out that just because the wounds haven’t healed doesn’t mean it’s not “old.”
I never had an “appeal to tradition” because I wasn’t saying it should stay that way, or that it’s right, only that it has. Politicians have been playing the same game of deceiving people to stay in power since civilization was formed, any delve into a history book will prove that. Please stop putting words in my mouth.
I hope to God that Obama doesn’t screw up horribly, but I’m not putting any trust in him until he proves himself. So far, he’s playing the same game as all the others before him.
Very well, you were bringing up an actually old situation to do what exactly?
How is anything that Bush or his administration old? He has only been out of the office for less than a month. I don’t see how any of it is old. We aren’t dealing with old wounds or anything remotely old. If anything, everything about the results of Bush’s presidency and the administration is painfully fresh and will be fresh for years until we finally hit an upswing. Once the wounds actually stop bleeding, can we even pretend to call them old. We are barely mending them right now, if you can call what is happening “mending.”
I am sorry if you feel I am putting words in your mouth but appeal to tradition was the only point I could see to your post in the first place since you decided to reference matters past 60 years of their inception and then talk about how politicians have been evil since time immemorial.
I brought it up to prove a point. You stated “It isn’t old news until the problems are solved, then it is old news.” Most people would say anything from the 20’s is old news, but the problems surely aren’t all solved. It only takes one example to prove a statement false and all that.
If we wanted to go after the Bush administration, we should have dealt with it when it was still in effect. You don’t treat a wound with antibiotics after it’s falling off from gange green.
I mentioned the past truths of politicians because of your comment of if we keep the previous administration a fresh memory, maybe we won’t elect more like them. Seems to me we already have.
All the more reason to keep what we have fresh and even try to remember how we got here.
As for your 20’s reference. Look at the percentage solved from the 20’s and look at the percentage solved from the last 8 years. While I get your point, you still aren’t invalidating or otherwise poking a hole in my statement.
I would have loved to have gone after Bush, hell I am still for going after them. I just happen to be a yapping voice on a website with other yapping voices who can’t seem to get anything done besides yapping. Least we have a hobby.
I quite liked the historical perspective…
That’s just because you’re so old you remember those days fondly!
I remember thebond sale the south made to fund the war, and it
all going hell when the Yankies took the entrance of the Mississippi…
Hey Fester, look at the “related topics” feature to the right -
you’re between “February 12″ and “Sarah Palin” …
St. Clair is up there too!
I’m sorry, but I just had to say this:
When I was reading your paragraph, I saw ’solo’ and thought ‘Han Solo’, requiring me to have to reread it in confusion =/
So over.
But it gives all the Libs facing terrible buyer’s remorse something they can fap to.
Course, that’s what TV is for!
Conservatives do all their fapping at Fox News.
Gay Conservatives fap to Ann Coulter.
Gay conservatives? I thought those were killed at birth and called an accident. Or since they don’t like to believe in science, bullied into being something they are not or “cleansed” out of ranks.
Do correct me if I am wrong.
Heh. You’re wrong.
Never heard of Log Cabin Republicans? [link]
Ah, but while all conservatives are Republicans, are all Republicans conservatives?
Though you might have me there, I concede.
Not all conservatives are Republicans. All Neo-cons maybe, but not all true conserviatives. You know, the kind that actually believe in a balanced budget and decreasing the trade deficit, not just giving lip service to them because
it sounds good .
Good point…
Also, not all Conservatives are SOCIAL conservatives.
I’m an atheist who believes that gay marriage is a good idea.
But I also believe that “spend now, pay later” is a horrible bad idea… which is why I can still afford my mortgage payments.
I’m far-right when it comes to issues of military and defense, both national and self. I believe if someone threatens you with harm or attempts to make off with your hard-earned property, you should be permitted to shoot him in the face with a bazooka, if necessary. And stick his head on a post on your front lawn as a warning to others.
I might have to like you in a very platonic but very strong kind of way. I feel the same. Let people do what they want as long as they consent and don’t try to take the neighborhood with them. And I am all for castle domain laws. Leave my stuff alone and leave my family alone and we’ll be cool.
if you shoot him in the face with a bazooka are you going to use a ziplock baggie to put his head in the front yard? i’m skeptical that there’ll be a large enough piece left to properly impale on a post. :-/
Good point. Aim lower.
upper chest region would probably work well. if you’re lucky it might even sever the head for you!
I’m thinking it doesn’t much matter WHERE you aim the bazooka, there isn’t going to be enough pieces left to mulch your flower beds. I shall, of course, let the weapons experts (froo and Unc) and the gardening expert (rho) clarify that for me, if necessary.
Hmm. Body parts and fluids for mulch? I don’t think so…but excellent fertilizer! That’s where the whole poppy fields of Flanders came from–the blood of the soldiers was great fertilizer. Something to think of next time the VFW is distributing those paper poppy flowers.
–me, I bury the chipmunks who die in my pool under any needy-looking shrub. But I haven’t had to face any bazooka-worthy invaders, yet!
As our usual experts are temporarily indisposed (please do not ask why, and try to ignore the squealing and grunting noises coming from the back. We’re, uh, raising pigs.) I shall attempt to fill in, even though modern weaponry is not my area of expertise. Bazookas are made for destroying tanks. They are essentially rockets with shaped charge warheads. Shaped charges need to explode at the proper standoff distance in order for the jet to for properly. I’m not at all sure that the charge would even explode on contact with something as soft and squishy as a human, but if it did, the majority of the explosive force gets concentrated into a high temperature supersonic jet capable of piercing tank armor. Things would likely be sliced off of other things rather than blown completely apart. If the charge didn’t ignite, likely the missile would go right through the target, leaving a very big hole but again, not blowing them to pieces. More than likely, a bazooka strike on a human would leave one or two large pieces, completely suitable for composting.
Well, that’s a relief. Looks like my spring gardening plans aren’t ruined after all.
And at least, heads on spikes…
Well, you rarely see originality in good landscaping.
Hold up, there! The compost needs to be
“finished,” not fresh, and you run a greater
risk of dogs and other animals digging your
yard. The bittier the bits the better, and
you’ll want to add some “green” material
to the “brown” material in the corpse, to
get the process going.
Sorry, but compost happens…
Hmmm, this is way more complicated than the original plan called for, perhaps I should hire Rho to oversee.
You don’t have to compost the head, now
do you?
No, I’m pretty sure I want those to line the driveway. It makes for a nice welcome to the Fortress of Doom. I sure do hope Max appreciates the redecorating.
I’ve already scheduled Your Ladyship’s Tour de Twit and made sure you were properly supplied with ammunition and sharp objects. I even took the liberty of having the spikes installed so you just need to get the heads. I would have provided those as well but I did not wish to infringe upon your sport.
I like how you re-plumbed the main fountain
the back lighting on the water coming from
the angel’s bullet holes…what can I say???
You’re a creative genius!
the heads are even better after the crows have built nests in the eye sockets.
Those must be giant skulls…
Giant skulls? Or tiny crows?
i always figured skull size was a direct reflection of ego…
Regardless, a human skull would make a
nice home for *small* birds.
Tit family…
Paper wasps?
Wasps! Yes, those suckers would be in a dry skull like stink on crap…
@rho:
Ok, so after I run the body through the woodchipper with last fall’s leaves and some grass clippings, I should be good to go, right?
Arguably it’s dependent on how you define “conservative”; I’d say the LCR’s are to a large extent, “my kind of conservatives.”
I can dig it.
Well, I’ve only known one LCR, but he was old school conservative. You know, fiscal responsibility, states rights, smaller government, stay the heck out of our bedrooms. Definitely my kind of conservatives.
I’ve always had a love and hate relationship with states rights since that usually comes under the blanket where they start regulating who can marry who and what substances are legal, decriminalized, or outright illegal. I do understand that certain things that are actually local based should be mandated by the people living there.
However, I feel that a number of personal rights should be the law of the land, not the law of some state acting like an individual country.
The rest of it, I’m hip to though.
so the articles of confederation weren’t completely wrong?
Humor my early evening stupidity and clarify please.
the articles of confederation had a much weaker central government and promoted more in state’s rights… and then we swapped that for the constitution…
Aha, yes. They can bugger off. If I am going to live in America, I want to feel like the law of the land actually stays the same as I travel. With how some of the state laws go, I feel like I will need a passport before too long just to leave Iowa.
Yeah, there was a lovely thread on Free Republic today on those guys. The overwhelming sentiment was “screw the pillow biters.” [LINK]
How lovely…
Ok, and the Freepers are a good example of “conservatives I find embarrassing to be associated with”….
Social ‘conservatism’ isn’t actually ‘conservatism’, just people being twats
If I give you hugs for that, are you going to bite me?
you made need rabies shots just for hugging… I’d not…
Well, just a gesture from across the room then expressing my appreciation of your succinct appraisal of social “conservatism”.
I’m glad you didn’t fall for it, Diss. He didn’t say
word one about the anti-venom cocktail, did he?
Awwww asking for bites from others now? I thought I was special. T_T
No, no…avoiding them. That’s quite different.
Mmm, well then, that’s quite different. *bites*
*yelps in surprise*
Oooh…;-)
That helped my mood immensely…
Yup. It’s all about the negative vs. positive rights and liberties, no?
no such thing… anything the Govt can take away with the
stroke of a pen is a privilege.
You oversimplify Unc, and worse, you aren’t even addressing the point Sproggie was trying to raise. Freedom from as opposed to freedom to. They are interrelated. My freedom to swing my fist ends at your nose, because of your freedom from being smacked. My freedom to swing my fist is a ‘natural right,’ in that I can just do it. Freedom from being smacked is not a natural right, but it IS rather a nice right to have, and so I give up my natural right, my positive freedom to swing my fist, in exchange for a negative freedom, the freedom from being hit.
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Isaiah Berlin argued that (Yakov Smirnoff voice) in Soviet RUSSIA, POSITIVE freedoms curtail NEGATIVE freedoms. This is an argument often leveled at all modern forms of liberalism.
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Personally, I think it’s all just silly semantic games. All freedoms derive from society, like it or not. ‘Freedom’ is a meaningless concept to a lone castaway. We can talk about freedom as soon as someone else washes up on shore. Freedoms are contractual agreements, you protect my freedom, I’ll protect yours. We’ll both give up some freedoms we don’t value as much for others that we value more. If we agree that ‘a right to enough food to eat,’ is a freedom we want more than, ‘I’m entitled to the fruits of my own labor,’ then so be it. It’s no different than the fist/nose thing. And good contracts all have non-fulfillment clauses. Ours happens to be basically, ‘men with guns will come and make you stand in front of a bunch of people who will decide the case.’ If we don’t like the contract, their are other options. That we may not like those options very much does not invalidate the contract.
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But now I’m digressing from ‘positive and negative freedoms’ to ‘the social contract,’ so I’ll shut up.
I think he was talking bollocks, but point well made there Seth old bean…
That’s true because true conservativism is socially ‘liberal’, or at least ambiguous, but neo-conism isn’t.
Freepers are essentially who I think the entire Republican party is. Well, actually, just the Republicans who still adhere to the party, and voted against having a “Comm’nist Al Quaeda-luvin Nigg@r” as president.
So what you’re saying is that liberals stereotype people, too?
I thought that was a kind pen portrait of Freepers…
It was like saying Storm Front member have some race issues.
It’s not a bad summary of Freepers, I’m talking about his extension of the stereotype to Republicans in general.
I’ve got three gay Republicans living next door.
*offers everyone some self-loathing brownies*
Yay, I love this flavor!
It tastes of…. Victory.
Or its complete opposite but either way, tis addictive.
The self loathing of others is like the sweet taste of foetus sweetbreads…
Like a Sondheim musical on the tongue…
They also give good head because they don’t care if they breathe…
how exactly does that work?
Do I have to first become you, then I can self-loath, or is it a channeling thing?
Can I hire someone so I can self-loathe others by proxy?
It’s a taste on the air, you don’t have to feel it… it’s like a Senator when a Washington Madam dies and they can’t find her address book… the fear tastes…
When the fear strikes their eye
Because a madam does die
That’s a calamity…
WHARGARBBLE!
Judges? I think we need a ruling on this one.
6.0 from the UK Judge…
6.0 from the U.S. judge…
*stands on podium with Gold Medal and hankie* *sniffs* I never would have made it this far without my wonderful family and couching staff. Please disreguard any photos of me taking bong hits that may or may not surface in the future.
*checks for appropriateness*
grep ‘you libs’ returns true, so I’m gonna ok it!
Thank you for understanding!
Although now that you have ruled, the voting is appropriate.
7. from the Wang Judge. I like the jiggle she has as she vocalizes…
7.0 fail AND Nesting fail. -_-
I was thinking we were on a 6.0 = perfect scale. Did I miss a memo,
or were you just making allowances for the Ukrainian judge?
I might just be incompetent on top of everything else. Don’t mind me.
It’s comparable to having amps that go to 11. You get to add a point due to your awesomeness.
Now you are just buttering me up. I love it. ^_^
It’s real butter, too. None of this imitation stuff.
Kick @ss!!! *huggle squeeze*
*hugglesqueezes back*
Mmmm…buttery! I’m out of here for the night, all…
Alrighty, good evening hun.
I thought the extra point was for jiggling? Darn it, why’d I go braless today anyway, it makes the technical routine PAINFUL!
Hey now… I liked the jiggling and thus I awarded the extra point. I am allowed to award that extra point because of my awesomeness.
Oh! I get it now! Phew, I was worried the jiggling was for naught. Nice it see it got me somewhere!
Of course, I pay attention.
I don’t appreciate the jiggling the same way DWN
does, but it added an unexpected tempo upgrade,
if I may be so candid. Well jiggled, any way you
look at it!
I lol’d
i miss these guys already. brobama hasnt even been in there a month and things have gone from bad to worse.
Yes, because there was a pixie wand to wave to clear this all up from the beginning. You’re right, he hasn’t been in there a month but he still isn’t able to fix something that took 8 cock gargling YEARS to mess up.
Crispy on of flaming buttf#cking Christ, you are a moron. At what point did you expect a miracle to occur in not even a month of being in office?
… And I need to stop or I will burst a vessel from the stupid…
*Crispy son
Spelling fail.
You know I thought you were just turning up the temperature to “crispy” flaming buttf#cking Christ for catdog. Sounded good to me.
As long as it came out coherent.
Calm down, now….
*rubs DWN’s neck*
*sighs and closes eyes* Mmmm…
You are now… The Master.
*Hands over a light sabre, and then heads off into the Tattooine desert*
O_O
Jumping Nazis Tap Dancing on Smiling Bob’s Testicles!!! SWEET!!!
*waves light saber around and accidentally removes somebody’s arm* Double Sweet!!!
*remembers PK ages long since passed*
i believe a wang is needed on this comment.
You want me to wang myself? That would very odd.
you passing wanging duties on to several others… *cough*cough*rho*cough**cough*. and that comment was blatant wang pandering.
I have been in higher spirits than usual, perhaps I should retake my duties since I have noticed a lot of things have gone unwanged…
I took your retirement to mean my retirement. Does
this mean I should retake my assistant duties? I almost
have the balance problem worked out…
Sure, let’s have a mighty comeback complete with explosions.
Yuo need a few teaser trailers…
Good point…
*cue Terminator music*
“In a message board where Goodwin Law is used like Marshal Law and posters must constantly deal with the march of verbal goosesteps. One man and his elite platoon fought back…
This Summer, they will All… Be… Wanged…”
*end Terminator music*
*cue silly hijinks music*
“From the mind that brought you In Bed and stole With a Penis comes another heartfelt comedy of love, honor, and… WANG!!!
Watch DWN and his cadre of lovable misfits as they toy with trolls, post with persistence, and wang Godwin wantonly…”
*end silly hijinks music*
*cue giant monster roar*
This year, nothing is safe. There is nowhere to hide… From… WANGZILLA!!!”
*cue giant monster roar to fade out*
There, happy now?
yup… needs more boobies and some zombies… but otherwise…
*grabs popcorn*
*sits down to watch*
This is going to be fun!
…
*cue horror music*
In the backwoods of a political message board, one man is having his worse nightmare. An army of naked women he doesn’t want his wang near…
This year don’t ever forget… The Horror of Naked Hooker Wang Eating Zombies… Because he sure won’t.
*cue scream of DWN horror as he runs from naked hooker zombies chanting Wang as they chase with their blood soaked faces*
The things I do for this place…
Zombies with big boobs–GENIUS!!
*bows* Thank you.
‘Scuse me…but is that going to be in 3-D Wangvision? I think it will make the special effects that much more special.
*adds to feature trailers*
“Now in Epic 3-D, Punch your Neighbor WANG-O-VISION!!! Brought to you by SCIENCE!”
@DWN’s monster trailer:
*standing on desk**clapping vigorously*
YAY! our dear DWN is back!!!
@Diss: can i share the popcorn? i’ll bring raisinettes (sp?)
@shortright:
Absolutely! I’ve got Reese’s Pieces, too.
BACK… With a vengeance and um… A wang… Very used.
The 160kg of Pentolite is still in good shape, but
we’re out of blasting caps…
Have some made, I am sure Uncle Fester needed a hobby anyway.
I just need my ‘tools’ and an autopsy table
with restraining straps fitted… hours of harmless fun
That reminds me, how are your meetings
with your parole officer going?
*sighs and puts in the order forms to get Uncle Fester his equipment and wonders how that has anything to do with explosions…*
Hobbies are hobbies and he has lots. I’ll
just order the caps…s’okay.
Alrighty, sounds good to me.
If he gets upset, we’ll keep him busy with
some primacord.
And a large breasted zombie for his autopsy table.
I’m just glad ya didn’t say “clown,” like last
time…
*wanders into memory*
*trembles and drools*
*holds and comforts* Shh shhh, it’s okay hun. DWN is here. Not a clown in sight but I did bring you a cattle prod.
Thanks DWN–You’re the best!
*perks up* Cattle prod you say? *squee!*
Now, where’s Eds? This bad boy is hollerin’
for EPS’s famous amperage tweaks…
I try hun. *kisses forehead* Here ya go, I think he went a bit East of here.
I’m more ‘Hostel’/'Saw XX’ sort of surgical
horror in personality…
Having said that in literature and film, I’m a
lot more Lovecraft…
Meanwhile, if you’re stocking up on the table
with retraints, I want one of these[link],
water based lubricant, a large eletrical
socket timer, eye drops, some super glue
and a mirror… I’m certain I can leave it to
the imagination what I’d need that lot for…
Grindhouse? FEH! Entertainment for the
very elderly and children!
Hey everyone. I believe everything I’m told without bothering to do any of my own research. Keith Olbermann told me all of our problems are directly caused by George Bush. Since he said it, it must be true. No responsibility lies with millions of people who, of their own accord, took out loans they could not afford. He acted on intelligence that was false, but it was true when Clinton acted on it. I don’t understand it, but I guess I’ll just accept it, after all it must be true because it is anti-Bush. Nevermind that in 1998, Nancy Pelosi said that Saddam had to be dealt with to ease the suffering of the Iraqi people. Al Gore attacked Bush Sr. for ignoring Saddams ties to terrorism in 1992, but that was years ago, it doesn’t matter now.
It is the governments job to babysit me and hold my hand and I need no sense of personal responsibility because the government will take care of me. I am angry because the Bush administration failed to do that. I am angry that Bush basically wiped his ass with the constitution. How? I don’t know, but that’s what MSNBC told me to think so I will.
Hmmm, that’s strange. I don’t watch MSNBC… I just made the difficult jump of an oilman fighting a war based on a lie in an oil country and making huge profits on oil to be injust. Oh yes, and then there is all the other nonsense of going from a surplus to the biggest deficit in history…
Didn’t say it was all his fault but I do recognize the person with the biggest hand in the matter.
Shame the drone didn’t dig deeper and find that, quelle surprise, the Republican Senate stymied various attempts to get Al Qaida… but the Gore comments weren’t about an Al Qaida link, just links to anti-Western terror, and Saddam hadn’t been overly active in that as the sanctions bit… he was more concerned with his domestic problems – The Kurds being one…
My surprise didn’t quelle correctly, I might need a physician. *dies*
That aside, I will let keener minds delve into this topic further.
He was still paying off the families of Palestinian suicide bombers, though.
US pays off Israel’s weaponry bill and have done since the 50s…
And apples compare to frogs because…?
…they both make great pies?
…you can throw them at people?
They give you warts?
…if you lick them you’ll get stoned? (Snow White version anyway)
Oh, wait, I know!
It isn’t easy being GREEN !
…We have a WINNER!
ACSIS, you will be receiving a year’s supply of Turtle Wax and Rice-A-roni…
*game show applause*
Thank you , thank you.
I just want to say to all the kids out there, um, study hard, stay in school, keep off of drugs (except for toad).
.
I want to thank um, Jesus! Woo hoo! Jesus!! and um, I just want to say that those 6 months I spent doing nothing but staring at apples and frogs really paid off. I wanna thank the gubmnt for keeping the welfare checks flowing so I could take off of work to concentrate on my craft.
“the republican senate stymied various attempts to get al qaida”
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really? too bad our constitution states that clinton didn’t need the backing of the senate to blast them back to the stone age…
Which would explain the missile strikes on Afghanistan and Iraq that the republicans at the time decried as “Wag the dog! Wag the dog!”
Shush! You’ll upset him with facts…
Oil?
I did some research, and the only foreign oil companies I can find operating in Iraq are from Dubai, China, and the Netherlands.
Which of those does Bush own?
Well, you could always debate all the sources on this. Assuming it work.
http://www.thedebate.org/thedebate/iraq.asp
bush has interests in the companies that supply infrastructure, most of the contractors etc to those companies… other than Shell, who seem to be a law unto themselves
not that i’m trying to defend bush here, but fester, do you have any citations for the companies that bush holds interests in? [link] is all i could find…
Companies that supply infrastructure… so then, NOT oil.
M’kay.
And of the companies that supply infrastructure, on that kind of scale, I can only find two. And one is French. Halliburton/KBR vs. TotalFinElf.
Not much of a choice, competitionwise, there.
Nope, there isn’t… especially in ‘no bid’ contracts…
You completely missed the point of that. Why wasn’t the intelligence a lie when Clinton had it? Why is it ok for these democrats to run from their statements about Iraq needing to be dealt with when the political heat is on? What proof is there of this being a war for oil, seeing as how the price for a barrel of oil reached its highest levels ever?
Please, continue to repeat tired talking points instead of actually thinking. Clinton taxed the American people into a surplus. He took our money, and just set it aside. Everyones only mad at Bush for spending it. He even tried to give some of it back, and was laughed at.
And what exactly do you think Obama’s $819 billion bill is going to do to the debt? Magically shrink it?
Because it was a decade before and Saddam still had a stock pile of stuff that that the US had sold him when he was their friend
I don’t see you have a point, other than Bush used dated intel that had been deemed ‘insufficient’ by the very same people baying for war in Iraq…
Price of Oil is now below pre-Katrina levels in the UK, I assume they are in the US too..
SO, I still don’t see you have much of a point, other than proving you’re mildly stupid… That’s working well, BTW… keep it up
Um… Gore was still saying Saddam was hiding WMD as late as September, 2002.
Blix was still saying Hussein was probably hiding anthrax as late as February, 2003.
I don’t believe that either of those claims are from a decade before March 2003…
This pic should really have Colin Powell cropped out. He fought the admin on Iraq and other issues.
Not for a good long while … *link*
Just Can’t Let it Go : Week 6
Hmmm, six week statute of limitations? Wotta concept.
Thought that said “Coming this FAIL” at first….
jajajaj looks exactly like a tv series.
I’m pretty sure this photo is an Annie Liebowitz portrait for Vanity Fair. That’s one of the few magazines I get, mainly for her photos.
Well, this doesnt make sense….i get what its going for…but any picture like this on “Criminal Intent” is a bunch of guys in suits looking seriously into the camera….those arnt the criminals, those are the ones investigating the criminals.
I think you have the wrong “White” House picture up! Where’s Osama Bin Biden and Co?
Ah, a retard spouting cretinous sound bites… always a good invitation to debate.
The people of this nation gave a bastard 8 years to f^$* this country up. Let’s give the new guy a little more that 34 days to clean up the mess.