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Stupid me, an extremely talented yet normal 23 year-old, doing something millions of people do everyday
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Well this is definitely one way to look at it …
And another way is justifying it by saying “Hey, everyone does it.”
Which they don’t but hey you can make up numbers all the time!!
It’s definitely forgivable, but is still stupid.
Oh hey, can we get a random number for people that jump off a bridge? If it’s big enough it’ll convince the person that made this caption that it’s a good idea!
At the end, he apologized, it’s over and this is all I have to say about it.
“…it’s over and this is all I have to say about it.”
So the four posts you made after this one are…
Haha….though I do hate when facts are used against me….hmmm…..(rubs chin)…..Okay, I’m still happy to laugh at him…HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!
I’m jealous of your flower. Would you be so kind as to tell me how to change my avatar or at least guide me on where to go to change it?
Anybody else who might want to let me on to the answer, feel free.
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Thank you very much.
What she said, and let me know if you need any help.
Thanks for the offer….slow poke.
….yeah I lied. I should have just left it.
Coming from you rhorho I don’t feel that bad.
You don’t like me too much, do you?
Let me just say, right up here near the top: weed is no big deal. Let me clarify. Of all the legal and illegal substances you can put into your body, weed is amongst the most innocuous. Tylenol has an LD50 about 10-20 times the STANDARD dose. You can kill yourself quite easily (and quite painfully, I might add) with a handful of Tylenol. You CAN NOT overdose by smoking pot. You will pass out way before that point. You would have to eat about a kilo of high quality pot to kill yourself.
Pot is less addictive than cigarettes and alcohol. The withdrawal symptoms are mild, at most three days of grouchiness, sleep problems, headaches and appetite changes.
People say it can decrease motivation. This is true. However, if Olympic gold medal winners can do it and still win medals, this is not really that much of an issue. In most cases I know of, the person was a lazy slug before they ever started smoking.
People high on pot rarely commit crimes. I don’t know of a single case of someone robgbing or stealing to support their pot habit. Nobody gets high on pot and starts fights. Ever. Pot does not turn you into a lust crazed rapist.
Smoking anything is bad for your lungs. Pot is no exception, and heavy pot smokers can develop emphysema. However, even most daily users smoke about the equivalent of a cig or two a day, which is not very damaging. Also, you can ingest or vaporize it, which does away with the damage that any smoking causes.
Pot does impair the ability to drive and operate heavy machinery. So does cold medicine. Studies done in England show that one joint (unknown potency) impairs less than one glass of wine. Oddly, a glass of wine AND a joint makes people MORE careful drivers, as they feel more impaired than they actually are!
Pot has legitimate medical uses. There are no known drugs that stimulate the appetite as effectively, and for some forms of nerve pain, not even opiates are as effective. It’s use in treating the effects of chemotherapy and advanced HIV are known to doctors all over the world, who will often advise patients to try it despite the laws because it works so well.
In short, pot is safer than aspirin, non addictive, non psychosis forming, does not encourage criminal behavior, is not especially damaging to the body, and medically effective. It should not even be regulated, let alone illegal.
The reasons it is are complicated. They are both cultural and monetary. You see, at the turn of the century, every medical company sold ‘cannabis.’ Every. Single. One. But you can’t patent it, and it works well for so many things, it would interfere with their profits. It also makes wonderful paper, and great rope. In the thirties, the Federal apparatus used during prohibition was desperately seeking relevance and a new mission. Is it coincidence that many drugs such pot were declared illegal after prohibition was repealed? I think not. As well, we have the invention of Nylon, and the rise of pharmaceuticals happening at around the same time. And Mexicans were smoking their devil weed, “marijuana.” Now, cannabis was known to most Americans at the time as a useful remedy, why do you suppose it was called the ‘Marijuana Tax Act’ and not the ‘Cannabis Tax Act?’ Because upstanding Americans used ‘cannabis’ but dirty Mexicans smoked ‘marijuana.’
Sorry I’ve been away for so long folks. I got some bad news, my mom has pancreatic cancer and I’ve been pretty busy taking care of her.
Seth, that sux so bad. Sorry.
Here’s hoping she does as well as Patrick Swayze seems to be doing (seriously, diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and he starts a new tv series?).
Sorry to hear about your mom, hope something can be done about it. -_-
Nice information though, thanks.
i second (or third) the good wishes towards your mother. if we can be of any help, let us know.
Every pot head I’ve ever known who was passionate enough to write that much about it would smoke out with their cat. That’s the feeling I’m getting from you. I’m not judging…just sayin’. My cousin Dustin loves to exhale in his cats face and watch it breath it in.
Sorry about your mom. I have a grandmother and an Aunt in the hospital right now. Grandma’s third heart attack and my Aunt broke her back in a car accident.
I am a total drug virgin, and I have often made the same arguments- just FYI- not everyone who sees the hypocrisy and ridiculousness of Pot being put on par with Heroin actually uses it (or even tried it). I will admit however, that not trying it (or any other drugs other than a brief exploration of nicotine and some occasional alcohol) may have more to do with my general personality and asthma that is primarily triggered by smoke. ANd everything that I was told would get me high (markers, etc) just gave me a headache- everyone that I was exposed to…so there you go. Regardless, pot is essential for many cancer patients, as well as chronic neuropathy. It IS less addictive than alcohol and nicotine. And most pp do smoke the equivalent of less than one cigarette per day. Seth has all his facts and experience in line with the science. Is it good for you? probably not- but it ain’t as bad as many things that are legal…and is does have benefits. As to this NORMAL kid smoking it on what has to be an occasional basis (or his lungs would not be capable of letting him swim like he does), BIG FREAKING DEAL- who they hell actually cared? Kelloggs? Their food is crap and overpriced- full of MUCH more significant toxins and brain altering chemicals than Pot… my point, if I have one is that this was NO NEWS, only a deflection attempt by media that do not want to deal with the real news in the world.
I did computer security for a major non-profit medical marijuana club in San Francisco. They were very serious about education and harm reduction strategies. I really learned a lot working there, and hopefully kept the Feds out of a bunch of desperately ill people’s business. I don’t have a cat and my dog is straight edge. Seriously, she’ll run away and sit looking at me disapprovingly whenever I partake.
She overly-moralizes because she cares.
I never smoked my cat or dog out. However, I knew a couple of horses that would push you over, even bite, if you didn’t give them some. You would exhale and they would be right there, in your face, to get some. I miss those guys
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Don’t judge me, monkey.
Grandma’s Boy reference FTW!
choose either “smoke out their cat” or “smoke with their cat”
kthx
Sorry to hear about your mom, Seth.
((((((Seth and Family)))))
I know a lot of people won’t believe this (a lot of my friends don’t) but I have never smoked pot or used any illegal drug. When I was in college (late 60s, early 70s) I was a VERY serious music major and did not want to do anything to impair either my lungs or my mental acuity.
Having said that, I agree with EVERYTHING that Seth has said. I know what a horrible thing this so-called “war on drugs” has been, I’ve studied history enough to know that all prohibition (of alcohol) did was make criminals out of people and create a black market and I’ve read up enough about cannabis to have learned that it is very safe indeed. And, although I’ve never used it, I DO want to be able to use it legally if I ever get cancer or have other intractable pain or nausea.
I’m a recovering addict, and let me tell ya, I couldn’t agree more. The only real consequence of marijuana I’ve seen first hand is that it makes you completely obnoxious.
Really, it doesn’t make you smarter, it doesn’t make you a philosopher, it doesn’t make you right. It just makes you more self-centered.
*hugs* I’m so sorry, Seth! Let us know if there is anything we can do, albeit though the interwebz. You and your family have prayers (if you want them) and good thoughts and wishes coming from over here.
I’m with the rest on this one, Seth. Hang in there, your friends are wish the best!
*wishing you* (and no, Rho, that was NOT a drug induced typo.)
Hugs to Seth and his family, and hopes for treatable-ness.
And in support of Seth’s statement regarding the toxicity of marijuana, versus other drugs, including alcohol, I’ve attached a professional article by a toxicologist (see link). The article was published in a reputable peer-reviewed scientific journal, called ‘American Scientist’. Basically, alcohol is way more toxic, as are cigarettes.
FYI, I’m square, haven’t consumed anything other than alcohol.
Nutmeg is a psychoactive substance??
Wow! Learn something new every day.
Best wishes for your mom Seth. Hang in there, bud…I know it’s a difficult time, my father passed from Pancreatic Cancer in 2000…you have my prayers.
Nutmeg is NOT something you want to get high on. I have a friend who tried it and the story he tells, while hilarious, is also pretty scary. It’s very toxic, and unless you get the dosage just right, you are basically in for a three day long NIGHTMARE. Every time you close your eyes, it’s like falling backwards through space, you can’t control your muscles, everything looks like a demon face leering at you, you get horrible headaches and cramps, and all of this just will not stop for three days.
Thank you all so much for all your support. It’s been a hard month, we didn’t know exactly what was wrong until last week, and we still don’t know whether it’s the ‘5% survival rate’ type (the most common) or the much more survivable, but rare type, and we don’t know how far it’s spread. But she’s been pretty much incapacitated due to pain so I’ve been over there every day helping her cook, clean, and take care of her dogs. We both have a good attitude about it though and the plan is, ‘plan for the worst and hope for the best.’
Well, that takes *me* out of the pool.
Froo has you for “drug-induced typo” until 6:00 p.m. on the 11th.
I’m sorry about your mother but I staunchly disagree withy ou and contest the neutrality of the studies you cited.
Hmm, allow me to amend my own comment. Rather than say “studies you cited” I would say “vague studies you briefly mentioned but did not specifically cite”
If you have conflicting information from credible sources, please do share.
Here. Read it and weep: unbiased, peer reviewed science proves you completely and utterly wrong. The staggering amount of references (over100) make up for the fact that this is a wikipedia article. Sorry, but the bias is completely one sided. Certain groups have a vested interest in seeing prohibition continue. Their self-serving lies are transparent and not backed up by reputable, peer reviewed science.
You might want to read the Lancet study, or the report that the US National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse. Nixon set that up, and he was so pissed off at it’s findings he buried them. I’ve included a link for you in my name. The propaganda you hear comes form people who’s livelihood rests on cannabis prohibition. We would have to shut down the vast majority of our prisons and fire most prison guards and half our police if cannabis were legalized. The drug war is social security for cops.
Unfortunately, it has been shown that due to the unfiltered nature of most homemade marijuana cigarettes, most active marijuana smokers are approximately 20X more likely to develop lung cancer than normal smokers. So pick your poison, I guess.
I have heard that’s true except in cases of using a water pipe, which is much healthier. As healthy as smoking can be, I suppose. It’s supposed to be better to smoke tobacco with a water pipe as well.
Good pot is still pretty effective baked into brownies. A good water pipe also helps with the impurities of the smoke. Although just about any inhaled smoke can be a carcinogen.
Does this take into account the AMOUNT people smoke? I don’t know any cigarette smokers who smoke less than 4-5 cigarettes per day. Thats around 3.5 grams worth of tobacco. That would be about $50.00 worth of high quality marijuana. 3.5 grams lasts me about three weeks, compared to a tobacco smoker who burns it all in one day. So at the end of the three weeks I’ve smoked 3.5g of MJ, and a cig smoker has burned about 73.5g of tobacco. So even if marijuana is 20x more deadly, as you claim, I still come out ahead of the tobacco smoker, as 3.5×20 is 70.
I actually smoke literally half a cigarette a day or less. I’ve all but quit, but can’t bring myself to quit completely because it implies commitment.
Ah, but aren’t you also comitted to smoking?
*paradox/universal implosion*
I have proof that you are very, very mistaken about the cancer risks of smoking cannabis. Click my name. Here’s a quote about the 2006 UCLA study: “On 23 May 2006, Donald Tashkin, M.D., Professor of Medicine at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA in Los Angeles announced that the use of cannabis does not appear to increase the risk of developing lung cancer, or increase the risk of head and neck cancers, such as cancer of the tongue, mouth, throat, or esophagus.[112]The study involved 2252 participants, with some of the most chronic marijuana smokers having smoked over 22,000 marijuana cigarettes”
Do you know what they actually put in those cigarette filters? not to mention all the additives and poisons they put in with the tobacco to give you a stronger “rush” or “fix”. Seriously, I don’t smoke cigarettes because of all those additives, which are way more harmful than some homegrown pot. I can’t speak for the big grow-ops that leave open vats of pesticides hanging around, but just know where your pot comes from. I’m from BC so I guess that’s not as tricky for me to get fresh and clean. But when it comes down to it, regular cigarettes are going to be way more harmful. Pot burns hotter, so if you are smoking straight from a joint or regular pipe you can damage more cilia or put a miniscule bit more tar in your trachea than cigarettes, but its no worse for the lungs than sitting near a bonfire. Cigs are worse!
Where did you get that statistic of 20X more likelyto develop lung cancer? I call shenanigans on that. cite me a specific (credible) source, I only need one.
Everyone who is interested in pot politics go watch the documentary The Union. Really nifty and pretty cool for a documentary
Yeah… this is the kind of info you come up with when you take the government’s
anti-drug commercials hook, line, and sinker.
The truth? Not only do people who smoke pot have a MUCH lower risk for lung cancer than the cigarette smoking population but those who smoke cigarettes and pot have lower lung cancer rates then those who smoke cigarettes alone.
Here is a summary of the study done… by a guy who’s been helping the government wage the drug war no less.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729_pf.html
Even worse, there is evidence that the THC in Marijuana will actually inhibit tumors growth and stop them from spreading to other areas of the body. The researchers of this study suggest that marijuana has a possibility as a lung cancer treatment.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070417193338.htm
I’m sorry to hear about your mom, Seth. Speedy recovery and all of the
best to her and to you, Dear! ♥ ♥ ♥
I agree with all you have said, Seth.
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That being said, marijuana is still illegal and Phelps still broke the law. Just because I think something should be legal, doesn’t mean that if I get caught doing it that I can get off. People want to say that he’s just another person who screws up, well then just like any other person who screws up he should pay the price according to the local laws, gold medals or not.
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And I’m joining the chorus of well-wishers for your mother, Seth.
I have to go with Christine on this one. It would be different if he were some American celebrity, like an actor or a pop star. The fact of the matter is that he’s an OLYMPIAN. He is held to a higher standard and knew that going into the games. If nothing else, he should NEVER have allowed pictures to be taken. I don’t personally think that he’s done anything really wrong… millions of ppl do it every day… but he’s not just one of the millions. He represents our country and needs to be mindful of what kind of responsibility that carries.
Seth, my best wishes for you and your family… Cancer is a horrible thing to go thru as a family. Stay strong.
Represents you country… yes… WHEN THE LAD IS SWIMMING!
God’s death, people spout bollocks…
I personally take offense that I am represented by a fast swimming cretin with the likeable personality of a brick with a penis drawn on it…
That’s pretty representative of people in general… he can just swim faster…
Seth, best wishes and prayers for your mother. I lost mine to colon cancer when I was 11.
As a Christian, I personally chose not to become intoxicated. From alcohol or whatever. That is my personal choice. I say this so you understand the impact of what you said.
You really said a mouthful of truth. I would never smoke pot, but I don’t get drunk either. I can’t stand tobacco either. And yet, you nailed it on the head with the truth about the drug laws, and the hypocricy of the law on this.
From a Christian point of view, “all things are lawful, but not expediant.” I do think there needs to be regulation on this, just as with beer. wine, liquor. And keep in mind you can make your own at home, in limited amounts.
Anyways, I haven’t been here on PK long enough to know your viewpoint on prayers, but I can only offer the thing most valued to me, and that is prayers for you and your mom. God Bless
Waylon
I am also sorry about your mother.
1 thing I have to add is, you said it shouldn’t be regulated, but it really should. It DOES impair you and if it is not regulated that means children can buy it indiscriminately. Not that they won’t get it anyway, but it should be regulated for that reason.
I think it should be legalized and regulated just like alcohol and tobacco. Imagine how much money the government could rake in with marijuana taxes. If people are willing to pay $5 for a pack of cigarettes it seems like a real possibility they would pay $20-$30 for a pack of machine-rolled quality marijuana smokes. Just my opinion. I work with the mentally ill and I can tell you from first-hand experience alcohol is way more destructive than weed.
Well said Seth!
Best wishes for you and your mom!
Good luck with your mom’s treatment Seth. I know this’ll be tough, and I hope you have a big support structure. You know you’re always highly thought of here.
Seth, good to hear from you as always! I couldn’t agree more with your comments.
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I will keep your mother in my thoughts, we’re all hoping for the best!
Seth – very very sorry about your mom. I agree with what you have said, and if I’ve done this right there’s a LINK behind my name.
There are law enforcement types who think the “war on drugs” has been a monumental waste of time and money. Search Law Enforcement Against Prohibition if I’ve not linked properly.
Seth, just as a comment… most Presidents, when they get cancer, seem to head for Germany… make of that what you will…
sorry to hear man….I just lost my mother in law in March to pancreatic cancer. Hope yours responds better than mine.
Works for religion
You can’t tax religions… at least in the US.
but we should. there’s a reason from our history why they’re not taxed, but that doesn’t apply any more. they don’t supply a communities needs like they
did 200 years ago.
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for any charity work they do, fine, they shouldn’t be taxed, but for everything lse, of course they should be.
it’s not going to happen any time soon though.
So now Kellogg canceled his contract – so his brand new charity won’t get funding – and some stupid sheriff’s department is investigating because it gets them 15 minutes of fame off of him…
Look, they wrecked his life because of a goofy photo. The punishment does not fit the “crime”.
The crime is being a cretin…
Pretty much sums it up.
if he had been smoking with me i wouldn’t have posted the pic online. i would’ve blackmailed him with it for the next couple decades…
Yes, but you’re in banking, so you think that way…
Offer him $20 – he’ll sell you his mother for glue…
you’d give yours away for free… sorry for being a capitalist.
His mother would more likely sell him, from what I hear…
(Don’t worry, Unc. I’ll buy you and move you to Texas!!)
So it is to be torture then…
Oh, pish tosh! That’s only until the Stockholm Syndrome
kicks in…
If I remember right, that is also a very good song by Muse…
Mine would put up a fight…
Don’t those ears create too much drag in the water?!
I think he can paddle with them. That may have been what gave him that .01 second edge that time…
In that case, Obama must swim like a fish.
haven’t you seen him bodysurfing?
Him and Tony Blair… it would block the sun…
*facepalm* …of course.
What? Doing drugs?
The dude is a not a private figure anymore. He’s an example for millions.
Foo is correct on the spot. He has had responsibility thrust on him and must act appropriately now.
Yeah, he should probably ride around with the Pope and promote Christianity in his free time!
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WTF. He’s an athlete. An AMATEUR athlete. He’s not a deity, or a politician, he’s just a guy. What he does on his own time is nobody’s business but his own.
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I am appalled that PROFESSIONAL athletes, who should be held to a HIGHER standard than this man, do the very same thing and nobody jumps all over them about it. For cryin out loud many of the Dallas Cowboys super bowl team was involved with a cocaine ring and nobody was calling for their heads.
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Lighten up. He wasn’t out driving drunk and killing a family on their way to church, he had a few tokes with some friends. Big F-ing deal.
Well, you’re hearing this from the ‘Weed will destroy us all’ cult. Don’t pay them any attention, just do your part by smoking more… if everyone who tokes lit up at the same time, we could give the rest of the world a contact high.
nope. i’m not sharing my stash with anyone. you can get high on your own.
soooo stingy… I’m scraping dude! C’mon!
i would, but your doctor told me that this stuff is too strong for you.
*puts bong down*
*cough*
What?!
round these parts we call it the herijuana…
“Don’t bogart that joint, my friend, pass it over to meeeeee.”
“Rooooooooooooooool another one…
Juuust like, the other one…
You’ve been hanging onto it-
And I sure would like a hit!”
One toke over the line sweet Jesus….
He’s an AMATEUR Athlete who made $10mil in endorsements last year…
AMATEUR athlete who won like 15 gold medals in the Olympics.
Lighten up. He wasn’t out driving drunk and killing a family on their way to church, he had a few tokes with some friends. Big F-ing deal.
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You’re right, he already had that on his record. He just needed another illegal activity on his record.
do you guys realize that the last three presidents have smoked weed?
Kellogg’s should yank their contracts!
That could be painful.
… I thought they did. D;
No, these are the same people who don’t realize that 1 out of every 4 people they work with on a daily basis smoke pot.
DUH!!!!!!!!! Two of them were Bushes (not meant sexually).
what? george h w bush smoked grass?
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i was referring to:
1. bill clinton
2. w
3. obama
Bush and Obama have both done Cocaine. And I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if Clinton did too. I’ve never toked even once but even I think it should be legalized. I wish Phelps would have apologized for breaking the law and then made some comments about it being wrong and a waste of tax payer money to make it illegal. Legalization peeps should be rallying around this young athlete who is a proud symbol of the ideal American to so many.
The ideal American is a super fast swimmer with no other redeeming qualities?
Anybody who has ever been in the Olympics as an American athlete is the ideal American to some people, usually Republicans; it’s called having a narrow view.
Or low standards, you still have a point.
HW was on some upper crap during his years in office. Prescription…
w did cocaine in college….and from what i remember about drugs….cocaine is just a bit worse than pot >:\
Responsibility? Every athlete knows they will be watched from the public. One goes into the other, and everyone watches. They need to be an example whether they like it or not. They sure as hell are paid for it.
“One goes into the other, and everyone watches.”
Wait….What?!
O_O… *grabs popcorn and sits with Diss since this is apparently going to be relevant to our interests*
So about this into the other and watching part?
@TC: So we need to tell kids that their body, which is a degrading resource, is what they should focus on to get ahead instead of their minds so they can be more than a soundbite or a sports deal?
Mmm, popcorn!
Mark Maron said it best: “If you’re my employer, and I come to work high, and you can’t tell that I’m high… I WIN!” It says a lot to me that the “Best Competitive Swimmer in History” is capable of performing that well and still knows the joys of being a stoner. Kind of challenges the assumption that marijuana is always bad for everyone, in my mind.
“kind of challenges”? more like completely refutes it…
Well I wouldn’t say “completely”.. It is a testament to SOMEONE’S intelligence..
Let me just say I am for the legalization of drugs, but I do know a lot of people who smoke a lot of pot and seem very stupid to me. But, one does not necessarily lead to the other…
true. stupid people are stupid regardless of the drugs they do…
Marijuana only messes with your mind, not your body. And don’t get me wrong, Phelps is an amazing athlete, but it does not require much brain function to swim.
Smoke? Lungs?
What’s scary is that he’d be even better than he already is in the longer races without the smoke latexing the insides of his lungs.
you have no evidence of that whatsoever. it’s supposition
I disagree with anyone who believes that just because someone is a celebrity, they have a “responsibility” to act a certain way. Being famous does not mean you have to do what everyone else expects you to do. It just means that if you don’t, the fickle sports idol worshiping public will look to someone else. Seriously, we set such high bars for celebrities that it is no wonder so many of them “fall from grace”. If we never learn to accept our celebrities as normal people who just happen to be in the public spotlight, we will never stop being so disappointed by them.
being ‘disappointed’ in others due to their failures is unfortunately a very human way of feeling better about yourself. i wouldn’t expect that behavior to change very soon.
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we all do it to some degree
Not breaking the law is setting the bar high? Wow. I mean, I should be way famous then, since I haven’t broken the law. I demand endorsements because I got an A in Chemistry.
But for the fact that once one is in the spotlight and looked up to as an example, it’s important to be a /good/ example. We must remember, chillenz watch TV too, and young minds aren’t as practiced at discerning right and wrong.
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Don’t give me that “he’s not a private figure” crap. You don’t get to abuse the crap out of someone just because he’s good at something.
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“He’s an example for millions!” That’s the “he told me to” argument. Just because Michael Phelps or Ozzy Osbourne or George Bush or Obama does something doesn’t mean everyone should do it.
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Don’t be a damned sheep and think for yourself for a change, and then it won’t be such a problem.
Cool. As not being a sheep, I’m not doing drugs. Drugs are for the lost.
lil wayne:”if you need an example on how to live, then you should have never been born”
Spoken by a true thinker, surely…
have you ever listened to his actual lyrics? the dude has some pretty ridiculous word play and rhyme schemes…
yeah, but I think they picked up the pot habit from…eh…someone…
Ok, if nobody else is going to pick up the cue….From you, alright? I learned it from watching you!
haha, i really had to think about that before i got it. wow, that takes me back. nice.
Exactly true!
He’s not a “normal” 23 year old when he is being paid to sponsor products. If he is stupid enough to take drugs that will show up on his drug screening (remember the Canadian snowboarder a few years ago), then he deserves to lose the recognition.
All the arguments about pot aside, he shouldn’t have done it. Whether he likes it or not, and whether WE like it or not, he’s a role model, and it’s not right for him to act that way.
he smoked a bowl in november of 2008. he won gold in the olympics in the summer of 2008…
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so…
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next!
you know what. If you smoke a blunt then strap yourself to a piece of wood and throw yourself off a mountain…. you deserve all the medals.
He should not have to be a role model that is not his job. shouldnt peoples parents be the rolemodels instead of some swimmer? the idea that he is role model is just american celebrity worship. if someone smokes a bit because him then good weed isnt bad just read seth’s comments above
the only mistake he couldve rly made was get caught…
he OBVIOUSLY didnt have pot in his system at the games.
they take the athletes off the podium, take them into a room, WATCH them pee into a cup, and test it
he got tested 8 times. he wasnt high while competing so he didnt do anything wrong.
the guy shouldnt be getting so much shit for havin a little fun once in a while
How about this?…”Man, I’m dumb…throwing away a lucrative career as a spokesman for one stupid buzz!”
Normal for some, Stupid for most.
Except, y’know, he didn’t lose any contracts because not that many people care.
Kellogg dropped him. Because there are surprisingly still people who do care about role models breaking the law.
- do you drink alcohol in any form?
I believe that “breaking the law” is the important part of Christine’s statement.
I don’t. I’ve had communion twice before I quit going to church and that is that total amount of alcohol I’ve consumed. Not that it matters now since I turned 21 on Sunday and drinking alcohol is no longer illegal for me.
A sad testimony to our drug culture times.
do you drink alcohol in any form?
What does that have to do with Phelps’ behaviour?
A drug is a drug is a drug, if I may be bold enough to step in.
Another answer to your question about what alcohol has to do
with Phelps’ behavior would be to point out that he served 18
months probation after pleading guilty to DUI on 29 Dec 2004.
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WAIT! You mean that a pot smoker can be one of the most hard working, goal oriented, popular, well liked, talented, and successful people in the world?
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I thought they were all brain damaged lunatics collecting welfare and living in their parents basement eating cheetos.
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His name isn’t Dr. Phelps, or Reverend Phelps, it’s Michael Phelps. He’s just a regular guy with extraordinary talent and dedication.
So the same would hold true if he beat up his girlfriend or if he murdered someone or molested little boys, he’s just a talented swimmer, that’s all, there shouldn’t any social implications for that right Steve?
You’re equating taking a bong hit at a party with molesting kids?
Anyway, I think the point is that while an athlete like Phelps can very well serve as a role model for kids as pertains to athletics, or possibly hard work, etc., being athletically talented and hardworking doesn’t necessarily correlate with sainthood, nor should it necessarily be required to. Also, what do you mean by “social implications”? Criminal penalties? Loss of endorsements? Tarring and feathering and public shunning? Why should the penalties be any different for a public figure than a private one?
the holier than thou tone you’re taking rings quite hollow.
you’ve never smoked a bowl?
you’ve never been drunk and done something you regret?
you’ve never lied?
you’ve never speeded?
you’ve never ran a red light?
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“He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.”
Exactly. Celebrities shouldn’t be held to a higher standard, just an EQUAL standard.
And if I smoke pot in public, get photographed, and get caught, then I should get prosecuted, too. Simple as that.
Bullocks. When was the last time you heard of someone being prosecuted for smoking pot?
Psst…dude…you mean “bollocks”. A bullock is another name for a steer or castrated male bovine.
There is no law against smoking pot. Possessing, sure. Smoking, no. Besides, to be perfectly honest, pot should be decriminalized. As for an athlete using it, why scream bloody murder when an athlete smokes pot, yet it’s taken with stride that another athlete in professional sports took ‘roids?
Laws vary from place to place. There are laws about smoking, because smoking it implies possession. That being said, I can name at least ten personal acquaintances that have been prosecuted for possession/smoking.
a picture of you possessing something illegal cannot be taken as evidence of your guilt.
Yes, but a confession can be used against you. Phelps’ apology
is a confession, de facto.
a confession that he smoked weed? we need to arrest obama, bush, clinton, crap… half of the house of representatives would be in chains by the end of the day… so while in theory you are correct, in practice, you’re wrong.
Statue of limitations actually protects them.
Thank you. Phelps admitted that there was pot in the
bong (by apologizing), and the location and time are
known, and the time frame falls within the statute.
There is no crime evident in the photo, unless the city he was in has a law against owning paraphernalia. There’s no evidence, in a photo, what substance was in the actual bong. Heck, in my state, even if they could prove the substance was marijuana just by looking at the photo, he’d have to have more than an ounce in the bowl to make it more than a minor ticket.
And seriously, when we don’t have room for rapists, burglars, and car thieves in our jails, how is it that locking up a stoner is a good idea? In Oregon, those more drastic criminals are routinely released early to make room for “more serious criminals”, ie possession of over an ounce or distribution charges.
I heard on CNN that there wasn’t enough residue for charges.
Was the bong his, even?
they actually found the bong? amazing.
Could’ve been the wrong bong.
[LINK]
i’m pretty sure ebay won’t sell drug paraphernalia…
Yeah, and Phelps’ friend was stupid enough to
try to sell it. I’m not thinking “brain trust” in
that guy’s case…
Okay, wrong. According to the linked article, eight arrests
have been made by the Richland County SC Sheriff’s Dept.
So much for treating this as a “regular” case…
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the arrests are not confirmed… just evidence of more “creative journalism”
I just checked CNN for an update, and they don’t
seem to be covering the story yet.
Funny, but if you scroll down on the [LINK] there
is a “Quick Vote” about Phelps.
So far, in answer to the question, “Which do you
find more objectionable,” the results are:
Michael Phelps’ bong … 6% … 19951
Alex Rodriguez’s steroids … 54% … 173297
Equally objectionable … 26% … 83687
Neither is objectionable … 14% … 46349
what’s even more objectionable is that the MLB has the records of over 100 baseball players who tested positive for roids and has not published that list yet…
I could be wrong here, but I believe that at the time those tests were taken (a la Barry Bonds), taking steroids was not yet illegal. A-Rod got into them AFTER they became illegal in the MLB.
No. In 2003 the MLB tested every player and told them that they would all geta free pass because they expected the percentage of users to be negligible. Little did they know…
And they have yet to produce a single positive drug screen of Bonds. Weird.
The sheriff of the county where the university is located has said that he will charge Phelps if the investigation yields anything. And there is a law against owning paraphernalia there from the article I read on CNN. Which wouldn’t surprise me, being home to a university and all. Gotta fund local government some how.
so then shunning him for smoking pot and letting him lose endorsments for smoking dope and admitting it publicly is NOT equal punishment? And if he WERE a reverend or a doctor then the punishment should be different? Sounds like a bit of double standard, leave him alone because he smoked pot and he’s a swimmer, but a reverend or a doctor would have to have some consequence?
Well.. would you want a stoned doctor operating on you?
No, you’re right. We should all be held to the same standard. ALL.
I wouldn’t want a drunk doctor operating on me either, but I wouldn’t say he’d have to lose his job for drinking on his free weekend.
If medics lost their jobs for drinking on their days off, we’d not have any medics…
My understanding is the drinking is what keeps them mildly sane after scraping little Timmy off the sidewalk.
i thought the whole point of being a medic was that you could “obtain” all the medicines that are not readily available to the public…
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anyone remember that really trippy nic cage movie where he was an ambulance driver?
Bringing Out the Dead?
that’s what i thought… but my brain is not completely in gear today… stupid sinus thingy…
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that’s the movie for sure… and it’s a scorsese flick…
[link]
“Saving someone’s life is like falling in love. The best drug in the world. For days, sometimes weeks afterwards, you walk the streets, making infinite whatever you see. Once, for a few weeks, I couldn’t feel the earth – everything I touched became lighter. Horns played in my shoes. Flowers fell from my pockets. You wonder if you’ve become immortal, as if you’ve saved your own life as well. God has passed through you. Why deny it, that for a moment there – why deny that for a moment there, God was you? “
I wonder if I’ll get a worse God complex after I get my DM…
Nah, not possible.
hahaha… nice!
It keeps a lot of professions sane… There are a few times even Jose cuervo is your bestest friend in the world…
no, but they could be treated more severely for their beliefs by the public. It’s one thing when they have nothing to do with one another, like swimming and pot. But if you are a reverend doing messages about no substances and blah blah and get caught doing pot then you’re a hypocrite.
One hypocritical clergyman more or less probably wouldn’t be noticed…
I think finding a nonhypocritical clergyman would be the real news…
Can I get a somewhat ironic AMEN here?
Untrue. We need to keep track of the last one, so we can properly dispactch the last politician.
Well.. anyone who is a hypocrite should be called to account. Is there really a difference between a preacher who says don’t do drugs and a parent who says don’t do drugs but they both do drugs? No. We should all be held to the same standard. No one of us is more important than another.
“Hypocrisy / We surely change / Leads into darkness / We go insane..”
Is the reverend or doctor smoking on the job or in their home? If they aren’t, leave them the hell alone. If they show diminished capacity, then fuss. If they are smoking on their own time, it is their OWN time…
I completely agree, what they do on their own time is none of my business. I was just trying to point out that there is no reason to hold him to a higher standard than anyone else. Just because he’s a celebrity doesn’t mean he needs to be perfect or innocent or whatever people seem to expect from him…He’s a college age kid, he’s gonna get drunk, bang slutty chicks, and smoke weed. That’s just how it is…
Damn, I missed out as I didn’t do any of that when I was in college…
yourface – FIrst, equating a bong hit to child molestation is ridiculous. BUT, I would expect he be punished exactly the same way as any other person would be punished for those crimes, through a fair trial in the justice system. Innocent until proven guilty…isn’t that America? But no, you’re ready to throw him in with domestic abusers and sexual predators over a photograph.
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The fact is, he hasn’t, and will not be convicted of any crime. Smoking pot isn’t illegal, possessing it is. He was not found in possession, therefore there was no crime. For all you know he was smoking tobacco out of that bong, the fact that he openly admitted the truth says a lot about his character.
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What he does in his personal life is NONE OF YOUR FSCKING BUSINESS as long as he isn’t hurting anyone, what does it matter?
the best part of the story was the sheriff from the county he was in talking about how he was going to throw the book at him since marijuana possession there is a misdemeanor… what a douche… there must be no other crime in his town.
Actually the funny part is that people are outraged over this, but NOT over the drunk driving charge he received when he was 19.
Well that was just a kid lettin’ off a little steam. This pot smokin’
business is a whole other ball of wax! It’s illegal, dirty, vile and
treacherous!!!
*launches into a largely inaudible Refer Madness rant*
OK, let’s look at this reasonably…
Drunk Driving, known to KILL thousands each year… is letting off steam.
Smoking weed… no deaths attributed.
Makes sense to me so far…
Illegal? Yes, deplorably so. Just because a law is made doesn’t make it correct. Though you make no mention of prohibition (alcohol was illegal, but because of the uproar and crimewave that followed was retracted).
Dirty? Why? Cause of the smoke? Cigarettes are by far more filthy, but I’ll bet you smoke and drink. The amount of tar left behind from a joint is insignificant compared to smoking a stogie or cig.
Vile? VILE?! opinion and nothing more.
Treacherous? Seriously?! Only treacherous thing about weed is having the munchies and an expired bag of doritos as the only source of food.
Get real and get off your high horse(S).
Complete fail to appreciate sarcasm much, Chomin?
Sarcasm, she is a subtle mistress indeed!
Thanks, diss!
I thought the inclusion of “largely inaudible Refer
Madness rant” was a big tip-off. *sigh*
Have I misoverestimated* the intelligence of some?
*Idiots: This is not a word: It’s a JOKE, so pretend
you get it, okay?
haha… wait… what was the joke? i missed it through the haze…
le sigh…
No, I just haven’t had the ability to smoke for a bit…
Sorry… just a little stressed. I thought you might have been serious.
Cue the music, the lights and the hookah, pls
*walks over to stereo*
Marley or Santana?
i prefer me some cypress hill or snoop to get high to…
Santana, please…
Hey, Santana is an anagram for An Satan … coincidence? Weed must be wrong, then.
@ubr: Never been a big rap fan, so I stick to what I know: Marley, Santana, Doors, The Floyd, Zeppelin…course I haven’t partaken of the “chronic” (as some of the young’ns call it) in about 15 years…so…
@Chomin: Natasha is “Ah Satan” spelled backwards..
@mothergoose
Pink Floyd, ELP, Zeppelin
the best stoner music known, at least to our generation (i’m making a wild guess here)
Refer madness is right, you didn’t even include a link! Who can tell wtf you’re referring to?
I was being wildly obtuse, wasn’t I?
It’s like I was stoned or something…
{LINK}
Damage to the lungs is NOT insignificant. It’s smoking, plain and simple.
that’s why i use a vaporizer…
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no, not really i smoke blunts.
that’s why god invented brownies and vaporizers
Play it faster…mmm…faster….faster!!!!!!!!!!!!
*realizing how that post looks*
Ummm…that’s a line from Reefer Madness…not MG having some bizarre sexual fantasy at work…
sure mg. sure.
Never at work…I save that for at home after…
yet again i dun believe you…
Well…ok…busted….
*plays piano with eyes gleaming lustily at all in the room*
[LINK] YouTube clip montage from “Reefer Madness.”
Sad to say the first time I saw that was only this past weekend. I absolutely love that movie.
What? Aren’t you the one saying how evil pot is and how doing drugs is bad?
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You know that movie is intended to make a mockery of your stance on marijuana right?
Well, not originally, but that is the context now.
it wasn’t meant to be a comedy when it came out but, damn that’s one funny ass movie.
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we laugh at all of the fear mongering from back then, and yet we still fall for the same tactics today.
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if it weren’t for the color-coded terror alert system being raised to terror level orange, we might never have known another election was imminent.
So when is that election deal coming up?
this time “it’s morning in america” for reals
while i do admit it was a handy way of knowing about impending elections, i think they’ve come up with better ways to notify people than trying to frighten them into submission. but that’s just me.
[LINK] Apropos “Get Out the Vote” effort
@rhorho
ok, i like C&C, but that was really bad. i’m just saying…
Are you blaming the messenger? It was
*still* apropos, so I didn’t falsely advertise.
;P
well, unlike real messengers, you chose what to deliver, so yeah, maybe
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no, i’m just thinking it would have been better had i been stoned
Ha! I love that movie!!!
He actually served time for that and paid the fines. Seems like he’s getting away with breaking the law this time…
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That’s all that I’m on about. Is that the law should be applied equally to him as to all the other college students he was partying with. The DUI, he pleaded guilty, served his sentence and paid his fine. This, everyone is saying “It’s not that bad,” etc. etc. He still broke the law.
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And for what it’s worth, I do think that pot should be legal.
yourface… is stupid and ignorant.
See what I did there?
*applause*
How the hell is smoking pot like physically abusing a fellow human being? How can ANYONE make that comparison? I don’t smoke pot. I don’t think it’s a good idea, but it’s NOT a big deal! a LOT of people out there do it. Yes, it’s illegal, and therefore you shouldn’t do it, but it’s not like killing someone!
Comparing smoking weed to killing someone is like executing someone for jay-walking.
Ha! Hubby once got slammed on the hood of a cop car, cuffed and tossed in the cruiser for jaywalking…
I think the point they are trying to make is “illegal is illegal is illegal”, but they should have said that instead of trying to equate toking up to child molestation.
“illegal is illegal is illegal”
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ya, except that it’s not. the legal system, in all western countries, and i think at least most, if not all other countries in the world have degrees of guilt; degrees of punishment, degrees of illegal.
it is recognized that not all ‘crimes’ are equal nor are all reasons for the crimes.
you mean that there are different levels of murder? i thought they made that up to make law&order more interesting…
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*dong dong*
never wathed law and order, but yup, there are even different levels of murder, as in 1st, 2nd and third degree.
It is.. “illegal is illegal is illegal” means if it’s illegal, and you are caught, you should pay the price, whatever that price may be. EVERYONE should, when caught that is.
Even though a lot of people believe weed should be legal, the fact of the matter is that it is not. That doesn’t mean we get to hold people to different standards, it just means, you get caught, you pay your fine, do your time etc.
Driving drunk is illegal, if you get caught, you gotta do what the court tells you to.
Illegal is the same, even if the crimes and punishments are not.
“So the same would hold true if he beat up his girlfriend or if he murdered someone or molested little boys, he’s just a talented swimmer, that’s all, there shouldn’t any social implications for that right Steve?”
Hahahaha! Damn you high-moralist are funny.
cheetos? it’s ho-hos!
I’m a big fan of Betty Crocker brownies…for a box mix, they’re damn delicious!
especially with a little dark rum and some shwag double boiled with butter to replace the “vegetable oil” yes… those would be my favorites…
If you make weed tea first and use that for the water and then also put weed into the mix itself after you’ve blended the weed tea and weed butter.. you get one HELL of a batch of brownies.
Also, the “moon pies” in Amsterdam are quite delicious.
we might have to share some recipes…
I thought THC wasn’t water soluble? That’s why I always gently saute it in the butter..warm…not hot!
I never questioned the recipe.. We didn’t filter the weed, just soaked it in the water and used the water with the weed in it in the recipe.
How many times did he do it? Pretty sure this is one of the few times. True pot heads do it pretty much every day.
Keep justifying it though, I’ve watched my own friends drop out of college cause they do too much weed. While it isn’t addictive, sure as hell could be.
“While it isn’t addictive, sure as hell could be.”
You are on some gooood stuff!
Or, conversely, you have friends who are unmotivated slackers and therefore they drop out of college and also smoke more pot than the average smoker who also leads a productive life. I think you’re making a post hoc ergo propter hoc error in analyzing your friends’ behavior.
Diss! You spoke Latin!! *mwah–mwah–mwah*
Yeah, Michael Phelps talked me into the Rosetta Stone…now I’m all set for my trip to Latin America!
You just won the Winolympics! Now just step over here and roll
up your sleeve. This nurse will make sure we don’t have to take
your internets away and lock you up in 4chan for a week…
Ok, thanks!
Do I …get a sticker after my shot? If I don’t cry?
*hands diss a rainbow swirly lollipop*
[link] here ya go. it’s a swirly and smiley face one.
That wasn’t very nice.
the sucker looks perfectly acceptable to me…
(also, i’m not sure i’ve ever claimed to be nice..
)
diss that latin tongue is really turning me on….
are / were a fan of The West Wing. That’s actually where i first heard the phrase. i’ve never forgotten it.
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loved that show, and loved that administration, but it hurt to watch it during the bushy years…
So did they tell you that it was too much weed or are you just talking out of your rectal brain node?
It’s like 99.35% of all statistics…
Are those also from the rectal brain node?
made up on the spot… but pretty much the same thing.
All hail the rectal brain node?
scrolling quickly all i saw was:
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“all hail the rectal brain chode…”
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much more descriptive imo.
*blinks* Now I am damaged…
He me doing what millions of other people do every day but he’s the one that got caught. You can never trust anybody.
80s arcade machines used to boot up with the message “Winners Don’t Do Drugs” We can finally put that one to rest
Seriously though, it’s only weed for Christ’s sake, who gives a monkey’s.
“Only weed”? I’m confused here. You think weed is okay? I don’t see how you can say that it’s okay for someone to smoke weed. Sorry, it just doesn’t ring any sort of logic with me.
Are you against alcohol consumption, too?
If you could long jump like you logic jump you’d be in the Olympics!!
Trainwreck, you’re a retard, you’ve always been a retard, and it appears you’ll always be a retard. In fact you’re such a retard that you’re the first person in nearly a week I’ve actually called a retard. If you can’t actually do better than that, I suggest you take you Christ bothering arse and pray about it, rather than bother people with an IQ over 60…
By any chance, are there humming power lines over your house?
It’s the scars over his eyes… always gives it away…
Personal responsibility states that what he does is none of your business as long as nobody gets hurt. If your kids are in danger of drug use because somebody popular did drugs, then you either failed as a parent or you just have to realize that kids are stupid and thus make mistakes.
Also, alcohol is a harder drug than weed but it is legal. Phelps didn’t beat anybody up, he didn’t ruin your lawn, he didn’t kill your pet. He did something indoors with other people who were doing the same. It is no better or worse than somebody going home and having a few glasses of wine before bed.
He didn’t flash a neon sign telling you to smoke weed. He isn’t asking you to do anything. Just because our drug laws show a blatant ignorance of Prohibition doesn’t mean he did something horrible and worthy of contempt.
Disclaimer for the Dim: I am a chemically boring person who doesn’t drink, smoke, or do drugs. I only care what drugs somebody is on if they are operating heavy equipment or addicted to a substance with severe drawbacks.
Define “I only care what drugs somebody is on if they are .. addicted to a substance with severe drawbacks”, please sweetie pie. That confuses me.
Despite my horrid grammar, I have personally seen how nasty meth addiction can be in my little sister. Weed would have been a “*sigh* whatever” issue for me.
And… Wait, are you trying to tell me that there is no drug out there with severe withdrawal symptoms and high addiction rates? Might I direct your attention to Tobacco… You know what I am talking about, don’t get coy with me, darling. We’ve been friends longer than that.
Well, there’s a difference between “care” and “persecute”, because once someone is an addict saying “Well you did this to yourself, you deserve it”, doesn’t really help. Love, even tough love, is what they need, but not persecution.
Coy shmoy. I’ve nursed hubby through coke, crack, meth and now heroin and you know how sore I get when people have the “addicts did it to themselves why should we care” attitude.
And yes, I do get a little smile when I say “have you been sober” and he says “Well… I smoked pot”, it’s like “Big f’in deal”. Ha!
That attitude only applies if you’re not rich as Croesus, on talk radio, in the music business or in the movies…
Well I said care, I didn’t say persecute. I care that my sister has a problem and apparently is going back into it despite nearly getting tossed into prison for years… Yet she is pretty much out of my reach and isn’t trying to come to me either for help. Now I am only getting information from our mom intermittently…
/soul baring moment…
Sad. I am sad for you.
Don’t be. Be sad for her. She is the one who needs help. I just need my sister back.
Well I will be sad for both of you then. Sad that you don’t have your sister and sad that she needs help but does not realise it.
*hugs*
Then I will go eat some cookies to feel better. *nom*
Cookies always help, enjoy.
Death… One of my dear friends was horribly addicted to meth and prescription drugs. She went thru treatment and is now in college to be a child advocate lawyer. Hope, even in miniscule amounts, is very powerful. I’m not really a God person, but I hope that she can find herself in that darkness and come back. It’s really hard to share something like this… I wanted you to know there is hope.
*hugs*
That’s some ugly sh!t. I know it’s especially hard when there’s really not much you can do to help, but as I’m sure you know, she’s not going to deal with the addiction until she becomes aware that she has to. I hope she realizes it in time.
And she is stubbornly independent and has become a pathological liar so blah. It just becomes more of a mess to talk to her anymore. X_X
i can safely say that it is not okay for you to smoke weed. simply because by smoking weed you would be inhaling oxygen which causes cancer. and cancer is bad. therefore, start fighting cancer by refusing to breathe.
*holds breath*
*turns blue*
*passes out*
Whoa dude.. you should totally try that
Oh oxygen causes cancer, now too? Crap, I’m screwed!
And, did you know that 70% of people who die in car accidents ate carrots the week before? Trufax. So you should avoid carrots too.
*sigh* I’m am anti-drug. But even *I* tolerate weed for crissake
In my opinion, the only thing that makes it not okay is the fact that it’s currently illegal. I see it as pretty much the same as alcohol, except less deadly. I think we should legalize it and treat it with the same restrictions as alcohol. This would provide regulation of the product as well as some extra tax revenue.
It’s not illegal everywhere in the US. Who’s to say the photo wasn’t taken in Colorado, California, Massachusetts or any of the other 13 states that have voted to decriminalize?
decriminalize does not mean it isn’t illegal…
Oh, I see. Thanks for clarifying, Ubr.
np. i always had dreams of working for NORML. but they don’t have much use for financial analysts…
“you’re spending all the money on brownies…what about the emergency fund? oh blacklights and posters…”
Right. It would simply be a civil penalty, not a crime. But that also means the offense doesn’t go on public record to damage your reputation/career/etc.
that also means the offense doesn’t go on public record to damage your reputation/career/etc.
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yes, just in the media, if you’re famous.
I didn’t know that it was legal in some states other than for medicinal use. I looked it up and couldn’t find any info on where the photo was taken, just that it was a party back in ‘05. If casual use, such as at a party, was legalized in CA then that’s news to me because I worked for Juvie in CA up until last July and on the books it was still a misdemeanor (or felony depending on how much you had on you).
unless you have a prescription possession is an infraction to a felony depending on quantity…
In my Juvie adventures I never remembered it being less than a misdemeanor. A quick check of the CA Health & Safety Code as well as the State by State page of the NORML website didn’t yield anything discussing infractions, only misdemeanor and up. Perhaps the judge can drop it down to an infraction on a case-by-case basis(?)
i stand corrected… i figured it would be considered an infraction because judges out here are treating it like a ticket… but it still is a misdemeanor.
Ah, okay. Yeah, that’s how I remembered it being treated until the kid proved themselves to be a repeat offender or violated probation, or if it was found on them while they were committing some other crime. Then it got more serious. Either way the law deserves some revision, I think. Thanks for showing me the NORML site, by the way, that’s pretty interesting stuff.
In NY it is (or was in 04 when I took my Intro to Criminal Law for CRJ class) an infraction up to a certain weight–damned if I can recall that weight offhand.. After that weight, it became a misdemeanor.
Oh gnarrrh – the incident is that old, too?
oh, nvm
Phaelin – what makes it NOT ok?
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This is a FREE country. As long as you aren’t infringing upon other people’s rights to safety and freedom, what is it hurting?
Not to worry, I must have been smoking something earlier when I posted that. My fine fellow pundits linked me to some stuff and showed me the error of my thinking. Even I slip up and sound unintelligent sometimes.
Due to media, upbringing, and the like, I’d been given a bad impression of weed. While I still don’t condone anyone smoking it personally, it’s their right to do so, and if they want to, I’m fine with that. I thought it was far worse a drug than it really is – something more akin to heroin, I suppose.
Disclaimer: I don’t smoke, don’t recommend smoking, but do support someone’s right to if they so feel like messing themselves up. Of course, I don’t support excessive-drinking either, (only a sip for me) but if people want to make friends with the toilet-bowl, be my guest.
What, you don’t worship the porcelain goddess?
Kudos to you though, Phaelin, it takes guts to post what you just did. I think it speaks well of your character that you show the ability to examine and consider other people’s points of view on such a controversial subject.
Good for you, Phaelin, being willing to reconsider your opinion on the basis of new evidence.
I wish such refreshing sanity were more common.
It seems to me that this business of teaching kids that pot is just as bad as things like heroin is appallingly irresponsible, once they discover that they have been lied to about pot they are far too likely to think they have also been lied to about the dangers of those far more harmful things.
How true! Once someone finds out: “Oh my god this ISN’T as bad as heroin… I’VE BEEN LIED TO!” Then all that brainwashing you did is undone. Education people! Not scare tactics!
Well Phaelin, I must say I’m really excited to hear that! Thank you for being open minded enough to form your own opinion after doing the appropriate research. I certainly don’t suggest anyone smoke marijuana, as it is illegal, and unhealthy. However, I think that in a free country people should have the right to make an informed decision for themselves, rather than having that decision made by other people who aren’t informed. I really can’t tell you how happy I am to see that some people’s opinions can be changed when presented with the facts.
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*bounces around pleased as punch*
(ignore my comment above regarding the Reefer Madness movie)
Of course I think weed is OK. Less damaging than either cigarettes and alcohol and only illegal because it’s so easy to grow that it’d be too difficult for the government to tax.
Let the man smoke. What someone does on his own time is his own business as long as it does not conflict with someone elses rights. I’ve never smoked weed, nor do I intend to, but if someone else wants to, let em.
I think it would truly be worth a big deal if he was on acid or something. My aunt knows a guy who did so much acid, he’s locked up in a mental hospital because he thinks he is a glass of orange juice
An urban legend is born!
I never met him, so i don’t know how truthful she’s being. Some of the guys in my dorm here have been on acid, and it is some freaky shit when they start trippin
My aunt’s dermatologist’s second cousin fell off a ladder, and now he
thinks he’s a green tambourine. The family would have him committed,
but he keeps good time, and is ever so cheerful!
the glass of oj is a super old story… usually having to do with a guy who was chased by the cops with sheets of acid in his socks… and either he starts sweating so much the acid reacts with his skin, or he jumps in a pool… either way the dude goes so nuts that he’s sitting in a room shouting “don’t tip me over!”
Having never taken acid I don’t know of the messed up things that occur; but having heard the tremendous amounts of stories (from a pizza pepperoni winking at one to eyes glaring at another from the rearview mirror) I think I will abstain.
i did it once. by accident. never gonna do it again. hallucinogenics are not my cup of tea.
Personally, I’ve done more hallucinogens than most people’s body weight. I don’t see the problem with experimentation when the experimentor takes the time to research what it is they’re intending to do. I did, and have enjoyed my trips to the ‘other-side’.
I’m not saying you should try it, simply stating that due to ignorance and media hype, people make it out to be so much more menacing than it actually is.
Which, imo, is why we have people who are so adamant about weed being a horrible thing. The media and authorities have made it into a witch-hunt.
If it’s so bad/wrong, why do doctors prescibe it in states that allow it?
[LINK] Snopes article: Orange Juice LSD Man
Cool. This guy I know was on acid on a cold night. One of my friends warmed his hand with a lighter and touched the high man. He ran clear across campus (mind you, Texas A&M is a MASSIVE school) screaming about the hand of satan reaching from hell to take him
Awesome story.
Story is right. That urban legend has been going on since the 1960’s…
Currently LSD is being researched for medicinal applications: it works wonders for cluster headaches and along with psilocybin is being looked at if they can “cure” or treat OCD.
[LINK] LSD research vis a vis Schizophrenia
I think anyone who smokes pot and can actually get the incentive to compete and WIN deserves a medal. lol
I agree with the one mentioning football players and baseball players *cough* A ROD that get caught doing drugs or steroids and usually get away with it.
There is a double standard.
I don’t even smoke but I know the only reason pot isn’t legal is because more $$$ is made off convicting people of having it than they’d ever make if it was legal. They couldn’t control who grew their own so who would buy it from the store?
That’s really the only reason you can think of for it being illegal? Seriously?
Considering that alcohol is harder on the system but it is legel, what exactly is your point?
do some research phaelin, weed was made illegal for two reasons.
1. it was cheaper to make paper out of than trees and hearst didn’t like that.
2. it was a good way to discriminate against foreigners (read: mexican laborers)
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so, please elaborate on why you feel that marijuana is so bad.
Well…sometimes it is full of stems and seeds, but…oh…wait…
@mg – please see my comment higher up in response to stems and seeds…
I would, but I’m soooo high that my right leg just got up and walked out of the room on its own…It’s that North-slope Hawaiian trip-weed….anybody got some Twinkies?
no twinkies. but i have some ding dongs and some ho-hos… and even one of those pink snowball things…
Devil Dogs and Ice Cold Milk…..mmmmmmmmm
Phaelin – I’m still waiting to hear why YOU think it should be illegal.
Hey, you replied to both of these comments in a row before letting me get a hold of your other comment. Not nice.
Anyway, I replied up top.
Yep, sorry for being not nice!
*offers apologetic cookies*
Pot should be legal, controlled and taxed, just like tobacco. How many people
grow their own tobacco? If we didn’t commit so much time to busting pot
growers, we might be able to make a dent in the rising number of meth labs.
We talked about this the other day with the idea that Government could tax it, regulate it and California could stop sending out IOU’s in no-time…You wanna talk Stimulus? Think of the jobs it could create for legalized farming, papermills, textiles etc…
Amen, Sistah! Hemp production *alone* would bail out California.
*Humming Peter Tosh*
“Legalize it…don’t criticize it”….
Forget the income (tax) angle and just look at how much money is spent on failed enforcement that could go towards infrastructure and preventing real crime. then look at what we spend to keep potheads locked up, where they are not working so they are not paying taxes.
Finalize it with news stories like today’s in California where tens of thousands of inmates will likel;y be releaseddue to overcrowding in jails. that means that because a pothead needs to be locked up we will be releasing murderers, rapists and other vioet criminals onto the street.
I wouldn’t mind paying sales tax on a bag if I that meant I could buy a quality American grown product, while supporting local growers, soil and nutrient producers, and botanists, all at a lower price than the bag that funds Mexican cartels and the violence associated with illegal drug trade.
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I’ll stand in line to pay that tax. Would you like me to make the check out to STIMULUS?
I think it would be a LONG FRGGIN LINE…they better have snacks available.
Genius! It will also stimulate growth in the snack-food industry, and the trucking industry to deliver the snacks!
Frito-Lay would make a fortune!!!
I thought you had typed “violet” criminals and was prepared to make a comment about the color of a criminal being an issue, but on closer inspection, I see that you have typed “vioet” which just confuses me.
I wouldn’t put it on par with tobacco because weed has stronger intoxicating effects than nicotine. I think it would be better treated like alcohol, no smoking weed and driving, no public intoxication, etc. I’m not sure if there would be any great difference in regards to the age it should be legal, smoking at 18 versus 21. But other than that I totally agree with you. I think the dangers of weed are really over dramatized, and people get all up in arms about it because they get caught up on it being a “drug” and therefore it must be evil. Plus there would be no better time for our country to get a little bump in tax revenue.
“a little bump”… should we start talking about the legalization of cocaine then?
Haha, nice.
But no, I think cocaine should probably stay illegal.
having seen what cokeheads look like after a two day binge… i’d say it should remain illegal…
worse than being blasted on booze for two solid days?
definitely. after two days of booze you look like a puddle. after two days of coke you look like you escaped from a mental institution…
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and when you do two days on booze and coke you look like you belong in vegas…
Two days of meth doesn’t make a pretty sight, either.
please pass brain bleach. terrible mental image.
that reminds me of the montana meth project. basically if you aren’t in the know it’s a series of billboards, ads and commercials that graphically portray the consequences of meth. When i moved here I saw one of the first commercials, a girl gets off the phone with a friend or something explaining she’ll go to a party, gets in the shower, sees blood or something going down the drain and turns around to see a fucked up version of herself curled up there.
It’s really disturbing to go from a car or fast food commercial to some horror story.
the only thing that got close was a heart attack awareness thing i saw in england.
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(link in my name to some of the commercials)
I think cocaine(or any drug) users should pay a civil fine and/or receive treatment if they want it, rather than waste tax money by imprisoning them. Putting them in jail costs tax payer money, fines generate revenue. Slapping criminal charges on them makes it difficult for them to become productive members of society by limiting their ability to find gainful employment after such a conviction.
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Cocaine users aren’t a threat. The organized crime that supplies them is a problem, and should be dealt with as any other criminal organization.
Thank you Steve.
I stand by my remark that all drugs should be legal.. Because I don’t feel it’s right to pick and choose… Especially if alcohol stays legal.
I just think they should ALL be regulated and taxed and made in America.. with some of the proceeds going to rehab centers and training more rehab counselors (imagine that! more jobs) etc.
There is a big difference between binge users, weekend users, partiers and addicts. If you talk to a genuine addict who is NOT in denial, you might find they do not like who they are yet cannot find the help they need at a price they can afford.. and they do things they are not proud of to get their fix. It’s a ruthless and sad, sad cycle.
Oh crap. Also some of those taxes should go to REAL drug education.
I’m sure Bayer wouldn’t mind that…
Do you really not get it that there is a *huge* difference in the danger of these two drugs?
which two drugs?
LOL, Increased risk of testicular cancer.
lol, i was gonna say that
there appears to be a potential connection between longterm, regular users (not casual users) and increased testicular cancer. However, a correlation doesn’t necessarily indicate causation. It’s been postulated that other things (butane lighters used during smoking–I’m taking this from elsewhere, this isn’t my argument) is a potential cause.
And there’s also a point that even if the risk is a 75% increase, if the average risk is 1% to start, it’s still less than 2% after. (I don’t know actual percentages, either, so picking a flat, easy number).
If this can be done without getting into the argument about pot vs alcohol:
I don’t think it unreasonable that he’s getting flak for this. It’s ridiculous that it becomes as big a news item as it appears to be, but whether one agrees or not, it’s illegal to smoke it, and it’s friggin stupid to do that in a room where there’s a camera. So mostly – meh at him for getting caught on a picture. ;p
(I am assuming he had some sort of contract with his sponsors that said he shouldn’t be doing this. That may be a hasty assumption.)
I will concede that knowing America to be a Puritanical wasteland when it comes to status symbols means that he is stupid for smoking on camera or smoking for that matter with the possible repercussions.
For those saying he couldn’t have known repercussions, I will state that it is nearly impossible to be ignorant of what has happened to previous Gold Medalists in terms of drug use or steroid use. They are put through a fine tooth comb and he should have remembered that.
That stated, I will still stand by my previous posts that it is asinine to crucify him over a weed charge.
…and reading in this thread I realize that it might not be illegal to smoke it.
Yeah, if it’s crucifiction-like, I certainly agree that’s silly. Then again, I think it’s silly that sports gets as much attention as it does. :p
re contract terms: Your assumption is validated by the action of Kellogg’s. No
endorsement contract would be without a clause covering circumstances in
which the payee no longer projects the image the company wants.
usually endorsement contracts have a blanket statement saying that the sponsor can withdraw the contract at any time for any reason…
We’re basically saying the same thing in different ways. “You are no
longer projecting the image we want” puts all of the control in the
payer’s hands, and rightly so.
yup. the more broad they make the statement the more useful it is for the corporation… escape clauses are brilliant.
“Morality Clauses” are starting to become more prevalent in alot of endorsement clauses…
Brilliant and necessary: Can you imagine if your company had
signed O.J. Simpson as a paid endorser before June 12, 1994?
LoL. OJ as a spokesperson for a law firm that specializes in divorce cases perhaps?
Or perhaps Isotoner?
Celebrex? (arthritis Rx)
Ginsu Knives…
In fairness, I think Ford should have given O.J. an
endorsement fee for using its Bronco for his hour-long
slow-speed police chase.
Longest. Commercial. EvAR!
lol. nice one rho.
One would presume so, yes.
Kellogg’s 401k plan is stupid, BTW.
actually, i think it is unreasonable, just not unexpected.
I must admit I haven’t investigated how big a deal this has been in the US. It’s just been “side notes” in our papers, at least as far as I’ve seen. It might have been mentioned on the sports broadcast some day on the radio, but I kinda tune out during that. :p
So, from reading here, it seems to have been way out of proportion in the media, and I’d think that is unreasonable.
this is the u.s. everything is blown out of proportion if it’ll sell ads.
You forgot mostly intellectual wasteland as well as many of us seem to have lost the ability to think for ourselves. This is why the media will start the rant and the sheep will bleeeet along.
2 legs bad 4 legs good
2 legs bad 4 legs good
2 legs bad 4 legs good
2 legs bad 4 legs good
ok im drifting off topic here sorry
I’m sorry, I don’t understand how you mean this as a follow-up to my post. Want to explain?
(No, I am not trying to be sarcastic or anything, I honestly don’t see what you mean here.)
Is that an animal farm reference?
Argh. Too long since I read that book to even understand what you’re getting at. So; no. Just me being used to think I’m trying to be snarky whenever I try to ask honest questions (while my intended snarky never seem to hit their mark). I’ve developed a nervous-like habit of over explaining myself.
Kinda like that.
:p
Oh, you meant the 2 leg/4 leg thing.
Sheesh.
I wish I’d read rho’s post before posting. ;p
It appears to be a reply to DWN’s post… the ‘wasteland’
Aah, thanks for the pointer. Yes, that makes sense.
Yes sorry tired posting and rambling. My post was a response to wasteland
and as I said becoming rapidly divergent SO please forgive
S/he seems to be agreeing with you that the media has made a huge
deal out of nothing. The second point is an Animal Farm reference, and
seemingly is used to indicate that the ignorant masses let the media get
away with over-hyping relative non-events, by being complacent.
Wanna guess who didn’t refresh before posting?
you are correct
I couldn’t care less that he smoked pot, but what bothers me is this is such a huge deal in the media, and a few years ago he got a DUI and it barely made a blip on the radar. Talk about setting a bad example by putting the lives of others in danger.
he wasn’t famous then.
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the media is made up of whores who would do anything for ratings.
can i just say one thing about the above?
thank you! for actually getting that right!
“Could care less” is a pet peeve of mine, too.
Thanks for leading the Picky Brigade!
I could care more is more accurate, since to care at all would be
several levels of more energy than I commit to most things…
there are so many out there that drive me nUTs bwahhahahha
this is just one of them.
Same here. Lately I’ve even caught myself correcting LOLspeak…!
THANK YOU
that stuff rots the brain, and i have little to spare
You may not understand what I mean. I mean that lately, in
my head, I’ve been “correcting” improper LOLspeak into
proper LOLspeak. I can has therapeez, pleez?
there’s proper lolspeak? shudders
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ok, you’re right, i did misundertand. thanks for the clarification.
I know what you mean. It’s a cruel mistress (mister?).
Here is an honest attempt to make up for the earlier
link that did not tickle your funny bone.
[LINK]
ok, now you’re just messing with me.
The cartoon instantly reminded me of you.
And of course I’m just messing with you.
what he said (in panel 3)
*pfbtpfth!!*
I normally try not to be naziish about this sort of thing, but while we’re at it, “everyday” in this LOL should actually be two words…
Pet peeve of mine, I just usually keep it to myself.
you’re right. i missed that one.
i’m sorry, but this one is lame.
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the ‘wait…dude…what?’ version was actually pretty funny and basically said the same thing
Article from BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7869709.stm
Taken right from the article you linked
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“So before we can reach any firm conclusions about whether this is a cause-and-effect relationship, rather than a statistical blip, the result needs to be replicated in a much larger study.”
Dammit i knew that LAnce was getting high. ( to much ??)
Because if everyone else jumps off a bridge… Mom was right!
He should lose all medals, and not be able to compete anymore…
Why?
I guess Tyler thinks smoking pot gives you an unfair advantage in swimming races somehow.
Yeah, and they don’t screen for drugs at the Olympics, do they?
Wait, maybe “Tyler” is actually Milorad Cavic, the guy Phelps beat by 0.01 of a second in the 100-meter butterfly…
See, here’s the deal; Phelps is sooooo tired of beating the world’s competition by bodylenghts…so he figured he’d start smoking pot to decrease his lung capacity, thus, giving him better competiton by bringing himself back to the field…
the top swimmer in my high school was a huge pot head. he would smoke the day of races, sometimes even right beforehand… he could hold his breath longer than anyone else on the team… and he got a full ride to USC… so… i guess weed smoking isn’t all bad…
Speaking as a former (and currently old) competetive swimmer…many of us were potheads…We used to do something called “Blowouts” (after practice, after hours in the summer, out of sight of anyone who cared of course)…Bong hit on one end of the pool, hold it, dive in, swim underwater the length (25 yds) then exhale…Think of it as “Anaerobic Exercises”…
wow, blowouts sound like they would be really fun lol
haha… we used to do those too…
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my favorite is still cannonballs…
take a bong rip and while holding it in pound a shot… then exhale…
i was a gymnast in jr. high and high school, which was top ranked in the state, and more than half of us smoked. Of course it was the ’70’s.
we (or at least i) never smoked before a meet. i see nothing wrong with it.
maybe he beats all those records cause he thinks there’s cheetos at the end?
Social Conservative – the guy had a good time doing something…
because how dare he be more successful than me? sure i never got up at 4 every morning to train for hours on end and I can’t be bothered to even change my diet from fatty foods and snacks. I’ve never developed any skills besides watching tv or playing online, and i certainly can’t be bothered to try something that takes years to get good at, but hey, i’ve never been high, so obviously i deserve far more than anyone that actually put the time and effort in.
He got his picture taken ripping a bong fine . IF done in Mass at most he would have gotten a ticket and sent on his way. Break the law do whatever the penalty is and move along that is what it is supposed to be. SO either arrest him or ticket him or do what ever it is that the law requires in the jurisdiction he was in when this all happened and let it go. YEs to the comment of Equal treatment at least in the U.S. that is what the law is supposed to provide Equal treatment. IF for moral reasons you do not like what he did fine don’t pay attention to him ;I sure as hell ignore most of you.
Look, if the worst thing my 23 year old kid who won 15 gold medals is smoke from a bong a couple times, I would count myself ahead.
We would prefer him to drink? Really?
Sure, cause then we could sell ad time. He’s got a little captain in him.
LOL thats true. It would be a good ad.
It’s 3AM… you just pissed on a dumpster and thrown up… It’s Miller time!
Thank you Robin…
Indeed… now give me something that makes me impotent and paranoid…
Ann Coulter?
I was thinking blow… but that would work too…
I would have said something witty but Diss completely kicked the crap out of anything I would have said so all I give is this crappy concession comment.
Sometimes, the humor, it just writes itself, DWN.
Your aura is pulsing and you are filled with positive energy… I can see it, ya know.
Oooh, reeaaallly?
I’ve just been sitting here…waiting forsome sensitive soul to notice my positive energy.
It’s okay. I am here now, Moonbeam. And when I look into your eyes, I can see infinity and just how deep your soul goes. Perhaps in a past life, you were a saint and that would explain your glow. I can tell that you are very loving and sensitive and that radiance is what brings people to you.
I saw indigo… so I think she was a ruler of some sort…
Dude… Don’t trespass on my Moonbeam… Nevermind, who am I kidding. We can share, take turns even.
Oooh! Do me! Me next!
Within you, I see a morbid sense of hope and purpose. You have a hardened skin almost like an exoskeleton over an almost hopeful naivety. So yes, you radiate positive energy and can get in on the dirty antics of Fester and I…
Wow, I walk away briefly and look what happens….
Talk about my aura all you want…but you’re not getting my panties off.
I radiate? And most of your type accuse me of psychic vampirism… consistency fail
Well there is this trick I can do with the panties on…
@Aedriel: Don’t mind me, half of it was joking.
Were you kidding about the dirty antics part? ‘Cause that sounded like fun… *hopes shattered*
@DWN
on her, or on you?
*snickers*
@Iowasucks: On me. It’s a reference to something I told him yesterday. I figured he’d remember. You can probably find it.
i should have added a
it wasn’t a genuine question
Oh, fail on me, then. Tired. Can’t sleep, though.
that’s right, how dare you not see me smiling while i was typing.my fail, or no fail, no matter.
sleep, sleep, poppies…
@Aedriel: I am keeping secret on the matter while you fret over the matter, get bored, and finally do something else while I vanish into the background.
@Iowasucks: Ooooh, bad wording on my part…
@Diss: I will simply add…
Invitation to hunt with Dick Cheney?
Nah… that type of adrenalin makes me as horny as hell… X-treme shooting.
The idea of shooting crooked attorneys gets me rather
riled, I must admit…
Well most of his endorsers are sticking with him (it’ll be great if frosted flakes does – I mean, what’s better when you’re high than sweetened cereal in milk? His tagline could be “They’re Grrrrrreat For Cottonmouth!”)
I think some people are just pissed that it ISN’T that big a deal – why weed isn’t legal and booze is I just don’t know.
My caption for this was “Pot Hangover….The Worst”
God he’s ugly
Slight touch of the Rondo Hattons…
Ah, he isn’t that bad.
Especially taking into account that his body more than makes up for any facial imperfections… rawr!
What about his brain and his personality? Aren’t those heavy detractors?
I think she’s planning on duct-taping his mouth when she throws the bag over his head.
Ah, good point.
*hides hands behind back* Um… nuh-uh!
His parents were originally training him for water polo until they found out he wasn’t a horse….they really felt dumb when they learned that horses aren’t used in water polo.
FAIL on the grounds that millions of people doing something doesn’t make it legal or an intelligent thing to do.
And whatever fat nerd made this needs to remind himself that all the people on this website posting multiple comments in support of Phelps and his illicit activity are doing just that: commenting on a website, instead of doing something with their lives.
Like you, Alex… just like you…
oh no, I’m sure Alex is just killing time till the next race or something.
yes, writing comments on a website is so much worse than writing a blog… check out the douche’s link… justifiable waste of time…
LMAO!! Good catch!!
what’s even worse is this kid is in high school…
please leave the moral elitist speech to people who are old enough to have their morals tested.
Who are old enough to know morals are at best flexible and
at worst wiped away with drink and money…
or maybe those of us doing something with our lives are taking a break from work/studying/whatever?
actually, he used to go to school around me,
before the olympics that is
and pretty much everyone who’s partied with him
(myself included) thinks he’s a dick
he’s a real dick
Jocks usually are…
A lot of people are.
He’s not up for the Nobel Prize, he just swims really, really fast. Like an aquatic racehorse.
Jocks usually have the edge… it’s the need to prove their
Y-chromosome is working.
I don’t know, I’ve known perfectly nice athletes (as well as the requisite dicks, of course!) and I’ve also known total dicks who could be put in pretty much any other stereotypical group. I think that as a group, the jocks get a little bit of a bad rap due to the high visibility of the total a-holes in that group. It’s an easy out, like saying “models are bitchy”.
There’s a higher demogaphic of pricks among jocks and grunts…
although, in the services you tend to find the specialists are
probably the last true gentlemen on earth.
I posted a response to this, but PK seems to be digesting it. I guess I must have used some questionable language…
It’s giving it a right old chew…
Or like Aquaman but less gay (even with the speedos).
You call a man who tore his own hand off to save his son ‘gay’?
God, but you’re a hard man…
The hardest and toughest man on the interwebs… Especially after a bracing night of watching guy on guy porn.
Admit it. you’d have to be tough to screw another man… I like soft curves…
I didn’t find it that tough and I was 14 at the time… However recalling that made me require brain bleach. I am with you, I have to have soft curves. Thankfully Lynn is feeling better and will be in good spirits tonight.
once makes you an intellectual, twice a deviant…
It happened over the course of a year or so. Very confusing time. Then again sexual assault by at least five people I remember and four of which were male would tend to make for some kind of confusion.
So I guess I am more than a deviant.
Something to consider (keeping in mind that this is just my opinion): In my personal experience, doing of your own free will and choice something that has at some point been done to you against your will is a powerful healing experience. It lets you own it. Doesn’t really matter if you decide afterwards
that it’s not something you’d want to do regularly, I don’t think. Anyway, that’s my experience, for what it’s worth.
No, I don’t think raping a small boy with two other guys will heal me. As it was, the confusion of having sex with my best friend a number of times still haunts me and messes with my head.
And… That sounded way more bitter and mean than I had intended. I know what you meant Diss and I apologize. Just my kneejerk experience and not in the mood to delete it before I post.
Sorry, looking back I don’t think I phrased that very well…I’m glad you knew it what I meant, though.
Tis okay hun, nothing but love for ya baby.
I am just a very bitter creature.
It was a Dr Evil quote… note to self: DWN is not an Austin Powers fan
Mmm, fail on me. I have all three movies.
Golden Age Aquaman!…..though he I think he’s gone back to his old ways.
…it all started with the “magical water hand”–that’s at least as gay as
spirit fingers.
I was thinking of the Bill-Hook he had…
The dude has an IQ of 90 and the personality profile of a typical college date rapist. It’s good that our society’s worship of these dumb jocks gets tested now and then. Watch him twist in the wind while people who live vicariously through sports make excuses for him. I find it hilarious, and appropriate.
OK, I can agree with that…
I mentioned something of that earlier to TC though I doubt he caught it, let alone understood it. He received medals for swimming really fast. Granted it was a really, really fast but it is nothing to put him on a pedestal for, let alone consider him a role model.
However, we revere sports like we used to revere gladiators.
Winner of a golden medal, smoke of an auctioned bong…
We who are about to toke, salute you…
“nothing to put him on a pedestal for”
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isn’t that exactly what you do when someone wins a gold medal?
and give a black power salute
only if you win in track…
You tend not to see many black olympic swimmers on the podium
Must I hurt you… I charge for that, you know.
haha…
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i do like your comparison of gladiators to athletes… i think we should start having gladiator style fights with random athletes… like donny bonaduce and jose canseco… wait, they already had that on pay per view and i missed it?
I might actually care about fights to the death…
LOL
Yes, you are extraordinarily stupid. Thank you for publicly admitting to that too Mr.Phelps.
Anything you want to admit?
I once ‘won’ a Schnapps drinking contest with a German… he passed out, so I finished his too… God, that was dumb…
Dare I ask why it was dumb?
Well, he *might* have lost, and you don’t want to pass out around a drunk German!
Emily, have you ever met him? How would you know if he’s stupid? why do I get the feeling that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about?
If I were him I wouldn’t have even apologized. Same with A-Rod; “Uh I’m sorry and it was stupid”. Fuck that. I’d be all like, “YEah, I smoked pot and did roids, and then I inhaled that mountain of coke from the movie “Scarface” and had intercourse with 45 prostitutes. Wha’eva! I do what I want!”
These people have private lives, and what they do SHOULD NOT BE OUR BUSINESS! How lame are we as a society, that we even CARE about it?!?!?! And the law – The law is Wrong with a capital R! Drug users may be “sick” – bu thtye’re not “criminals”. We have a major flaw in our legal system whenever there is prohibition of any sort – alcohol, pot, coke, LSD, fucking horse tranquilizer. If I want to put something into MY body and not harm ANYONE ELSE ON THE DAMN PLANET, THEN IT SHOULD BE MY RIGHT TO DO SO!
M’kay, drugs r bad, m’kay?
Stupid? Stupid? get over it!!! He should get to live his life! We don’t own him. OOOOh, bad role model? Umm, parents, here’s a line for you to start with “Children, you’ll be faced with many difficult choices in your life…(insert rest of drug lecture to kid here)..” Let the man live. He hurt no one. He’s an incredible athlete and achieved an amazing goal, and that can never be taken away from him. If he wants to recreate with a performance de-hancing drug, let him. Sheesh. GET OVER IT! Maybe it’s time we re-evaluate what we expect out of people, so we won’t be getting our panties all wadded up with disappointment every time someone acts like a human.
Alright- anyone who is anti-marijuana (but still drink), please, just respond to this:
Now, imagine if they banned alcohol (a substance MUCH worse than marijuana). You work a long hard shift at work- all you want to do is go home and relax and drink a cold beer (which is now like, $8-$10 per can due to the banning). Is there anything wrong with that? No, because you are sitting at home, not harming any one, maybe chilling with a few friends.
Now imagine cops suddenly busting in to your place because they suspect you have a WHOLE 32-pack of beer in your fridge- a felony! They shoot your dog (most raids kill dogs because they pose a potential threat if they attack an officer) and arrest you, putting you in jail for years and years, taking away your children, ruining your chance of ever getting a decent job… etc.
Only the difference between marijuana and alcohol is that alcohol actually causes deaths from overdosing, negligence, etc. Mary-J just causes you to sit at home and stimulate the economy by getting food from your local restaurant
You are right, if our police could actually enforce the laws, it would make sense to ban alcohol too.
The author doesn’t get it. Normal people stay away from pot.
What do you define as ‘normal’?
Who is ‘normal’?
All the “jocks” and “3.5 – 4.0 students” in my high school smoked. As did the ‘band geeks’ and ‘theatre kids’.
In college, I see such a wide variety. Most college students prefer it to alcohol because they can smoke and unwind and not be hung over for class the next morning. Also, from experience as a person with high anxiety- smoking the night before an exam helps me get better sleep and feel more confident going in to the exam than when I don’t. I score on average about 2.5 – 3.0 when I don’t, and 3.0 – 4.0 when I do.
A lot of religious people do it- unlike alcohol and other drugs, God placed marijuana on this Earth by himself. Its helpful when people are sick and/or in pain, so it is safe to assume he put it on this planet to benefit the people rather than to tempt them to sin.
One of the original reasons why marijuana was banned was because it “made white women want to have sex with black jazz musicians”. I’m much to lazy to find the actual, word for word quote but a quick google search would help anyone who is curious.
I have never met a person who admitted to smoking pot. But who knows, maybe you are right, and my experiences are unusual.
first, most ‘normal’ people that i know have smoked pot, at least in their youth, and more than once.
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second, i’m curious, how old are you and where do you live? i can’t imagine the bubble in which you must live to have never met anyone who ‘admitted’ having smoked pot.
Just as a minor comment, it’s nowhere near as common in, for instance, Sweden as in the US.
that surprises me. esp since i’ve known a number of swedes, albeit who have lived for some time in the u.s., who really love their pot. i never thought that it might be less prevalent.
thanks for the info. but would you say that it’s tough to not know anyone who has smoked it?
Ooh. Now I get interested. They might have a very different image of pot in Sweden depending on when and where they’ve lived. But I still really believe that it’s much less common than in the US. Much.
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would you say that it’s tough to not know anyone who has smoked it?
Probably not so hard. First because not at all that many do smoke it, but mostly because it’s just nothing you talk about. Most people who know me probably don’t know that I tried it when I lived in the US, because I’ve never seen any reason to tell them about that. If they’ve lived in the States themselves, I kind of assume that they suspect that I have, and vice versa, but still – why would we talk about it? So, I would say it is not hard to go through life without knowing someone who you know have smoked marijuana.
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Your friends’ drug habits, sexual preferences, religious beliefs and which party you vote for are things you Just Don’t Talk About. (Generally speaking.)
that’s an interesting point i’ve heard made before about we americans,
that we’re considered ‘nosey’ to many because we do talk about those things openly. to us, it’s just normal conversation. interesting, thanks!
Just normal conversation, yet the world is ending if Janet Jackson’s rather lacklustre tit gets broadcast during superbowl…
I am a 33 year old Canadian college professor.
You teach college and you’ve never met anyone who smoked weed? Where do you teach, BYU?!?
It seems it has Porn studies… so I’d assume it’s baptist…
I work at the Business School.
I didn’t say I have never “Met” anyone who smoked pot. I said that nobody I know has ever mentioned smoking it. There is a difference.
In the last 5 years, I had about 1000 students. I probably know a rapist or two. I must know people who have been to jail. But nobody ever mentioned it to me.
Well, that clears it up. I think, though, that there’s a difference between admitting and volunteering….it’s not like you’re asking your students about it.
err ahh, sorry, not buying it.
my BS meter just flew off the scale.
i don’t care if it’s a 50 student, fundie bible college, you’re not being honest here.
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i’m quite sure all of my friends to the north would be laughing their asses off at you right now.
Wow. I agree with IowaSucks. You must live an amazingly sheltered life o_o;
Pot is not a big deal- in school we would talk about it all the time. It’s casual to talk about, especially between pot smokers, since we all pretty much get a long
We all really just sat around telling stories, smiling, bonding, having fun, staying out of trouble most weekends- instead of the drunk idiots who crashed their cars and got pregnant.
There are those annoying ‘wanna-be “stoners”‘ who try to be all stupid on purpose, just like there are those drunk kids who try to act like frat boys on crack. The kind that are like, ‘omg, dude. I’m soooo high. I like, am flying. Like, dude. Dude, man. I’m soo hungry, dude. Like, munchies, man!” They’re just looking for attention
It’s not really like that.
All pot does is make you feel good. You just feel happy- no hallucinations or anything. Just good, calm, collective, thoughtful, and maybe a little giggly. Like you were a pessimist and suddenly you’re an optimist. And hungry- you do get hungry ^^;
Your so naive…I sat with a friend for 6 hours through a paranoid high. She was sure her windpipe was closing up. She quit for good. And until the law is changed…it is illegal. Who died and said you and your buds are so special
you can break any law you feel like? News flash…you’re not.
You’re naive if you think that marijuana *by itself* ever caused
any sane person to need assistance to get through a high. Your
friend’s experience with an additional ingredient doesn’t make
marijuana bad.
Another thing: A whole lot of people here can tell you which states,
but some states allow marijuana for medicinal use, so your blanket
“it’s illegal” statement does not hold water like you think it may.
Some PKers are from countries where pot is legal, as well.
You’re coming across as hostile and irrational. Maybe that’s the
way you like it, but you’re neither impressing nor scaring any-
one, if that’s what you were after.
Well it’s true that some people have an intense negative
reaction to pot (me included, sigh, *sob*). But some people
can’t tolerate booze or cigarettes and that doesn’t stop their
sale.
Ahh, there’s my kitty.
Rho, just to clarify: it wasn’t just a one-time bad reaction.
I was a happy stoner for a few years and then it turned
on me big time. Oddly, in my thirties, the same thing
happened with gin. I have worked as an addictions
counselor (my Facebook proves it, LOL), and the paranoid
reaction is not that uncommon.
Your friend and perhaps yourself included might have gotten weed laced with something harmful (thought that doesn’t explain the gin. Though with alcohol that happens to us all- I was a strict tequila drinker and then one day I thought it was so bad and couldn’t even smell it without wanting to barf).
If weed was legalized, there would be regulations on it and keep all the harmful things that dealers lace their weed with out. Plus, the money goes to th community (if they taxed it) instead of the pockets of dealers.
Abeotch – the fact is, just because it is illegal doesn’t mean it is wrong. We don’t see it as breaking a ‘law’ like robbing a bank or something- it is a stance against an injustice.
Bit like J walking in my opinion. J walking is illegal, but it’s not particularly wrong in my opinion.
People are allergic to all manner of things from chocolate to grains, cannabis is no different. A girl I know is allergic to starch, so she basically can’t eat bread. Should we make bread illegal?
“We all really just sat around telling stories, smiling, bonding, having fun, staying out of trouble most weekends- instead of the drunk idiots who crashed their cars and got pregnant.”
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I think this is another culture difference. I know it’s getting more common to smoke (not marijuana but hash) here (Sweden), but while I was a teen, alcohol was standard, and those who occasionally did smoke were the ones desperate to be a bit cooler and/or get another/more high than a regular drunkenness. So, the ones who got drunk were normal, the ones who smoked cannabis were the ones who were already bordering on being asocial criminals. So, it’s not a simple cause and effect thing, at least.
They don’t admit it to you because they’re smart enough to know you don’t approve, and because it’s illegal, you can’t be trusted with that information.
It is not like I ask. And it is not like I ever mentioned to anyone how I feel about pot. I am open with my friends about my love of porn. And yet nobody has ever mentioned having a pot habit.
Right, so you teach divinity then…
Isn’t it amazing how, unprompted, people tell you 1001 thing you really didn’t want to know?
I try to be silent but my recidivism rate is horrendous. I have been to alot of concerts in my time including many Dead shows. The two biggest concerts i have ever seen for pot Smoking The Cure (because oh yes we all know those “crazy GOTH stoners”) ANd the 4th of July fireworks-Concert at West point (again because we all know those crazy Military people smoke MAD weed.)
My point being there is no group that does or doesn’t smoke pot there are many who have tried it many who haven’t. I will speak up and disclose that I myself have not gotten high in about 14 years but used to regularly.
Hell if i had as high stress of a life as an Olympic level swimmer pot would be the least of the things i would use to relax
400!!!!
Can I get a side of hate now?
The fact that anyone thinks they have a RIGHT to judge Michael Phelps for what he chooses to do in his spare time AFTER making olympic history just BURNS me up (pun intended). I happen to be a swimmer that trained with Phelps’ older sister, and look at him much like the little brother I wish I had. I know that when he was a cocky ass bastard 15 year old, he annoyed the shit out of me (especially because he was so fast). When he was 19 and his olympic dreams were blossoming while mine were smoldering in the ruin of injury, I was just plain jealous and didn’t notice that he had been growing up while I was. By the time he was 23 and historic, he was a gracious, polite, thoughtful young man that made a concerted effort to use his money and his image to do some good. And I had to admit, I finally liked him at last.
Let me tell you something about the level of training he operates at. He has probably not eaten, consumed or enjoyed anything that was detrimental to his training since his first olympiad. Sure he may have had some alcohol in college, as swimmers are known to do, but there is a level of discipline that prevents one from endangering an all too precious career with poor decisions about toxins in your body. This last fall was probably the first time in eight years or more he didn’t have 10 people monitoring exactly what he put in his body, and if he FOR ONCE actually lived a little after sacrificing his entire adolescence to his sport SO FUCKING WHAT! I don’t care what you think about pot or other substances. NO ONE can be so rigid all the time. You are bound to want to cut loose. And if this is how Phelps chooses to do it, I think that Americans need to back up and allow the man some space to breathe. Mark my words, this autumn has been the ONLY time in his adult life he’s had time to relax, and look at the hassle he gets for it.
To Michael, I say, smoke up, drink up, whatever, man. You only have another nine months or less before you have to start training for the next olympics (and maybe lean a little heavier on your European sponsors). Maybe when you stop being so obnoxiously talented people will let you be human again. And don’t forget the crowd of people who loved you (sometimes reluctantly) in silence via Whitney and her pal Reitz. And when you come to New York, you can stay with us, where there’ll be no cameras.
12 strains of medical pot and how they heal.
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Bob Marley, and how he died of cancer.
….which is still illegal….bottom line….throw his dumb ass in jail.
you really are a jackass
Yep. Jail. That’s the answer! Would you like to personally pay for his stay at our government run correctional facilities? I prefer not to. I say fine him a hundred bucks to cover the cost of the police labor it took to ticket him, and get him the hell out of there.
AMEN Abeotch!!!!!
this makes sense. I don’t have anything against him, I look up to him. But I think he got suspended because unlike everyone, he’s a role model to people in the world.
NOT EVERYONE IS A DRUGGIE!!!! I’m sick of everyone saying it’s OK to smoke Pot because everyone does it. BS!!! I wish all the druggies and the hippies would just move to california and smoke their brains out and leave the rest of us hard working, intelligent people alone
Amen.
What do you mean ‘us’ when referring to hard working or intelligent…
I’d say you’re having to work hard since you’re perhaps a little slow and making up for it by being belligerent…
i’d say that applies to quite a few people up here (no, not referring to you).
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‘When the law is on your side, argue the law; and when the facts
are on your side, argue the facts…
When you don’t have the law on your side, when you don’t have the facts
on your side, bang your fist on the defense table as loud as you can.’
- president josiah bartlet, the west wing
hahaha couldnt agree with you more. like the smoking section of a resteraunt, we should just put a curtain around california and let people destroy their bodies there
i hate seeing how people who claim to be “smart” and not “druggies” cannot figure out how to write a proper grammatical sentence…
A rich white guy not going to jail for something thousands of people have already been busted for? Keeping his career when many other athletes in the same situation have lost theirs? Sure, that’s okay…
And as for the ‘health benefits,’ explain that to Bob Marley, who died of cancer.
Most people do *not* smoke pot. You will never meet anybody more obnoxious than potheads are toward people who do not smoke pot.
I don’t know… tweakers and oxycontin addicts tend to be pretty unpleasant. An d I’m finding you pretty unpalatable, and I’ve never toked in my life.
and if you want to look at rich white guys walking, start with the War on Drugs poster boys of O’Reilly and Limbaugh…
And yet I still can’t close my damn tags. Once more, for clarity’s sake:
I take it nobody’s ever tried to sell you a timeshare, then.
Haven’t smoked pot on any regular basis in absolute ages (or come to think of it, at all in the past 5 years or so…) but I don’t have problems with people who do, or, conversely, with people who don’t.
you will never meet anybody more obnoxious than people who don’t smoke pot are towards potheads…
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@sshole.
bob marley died from cancer that originally started on his toe… so what was your point again? [link]
“Normal”? He’s about as normal as a bastard child of a walrus and an orangutan…
But only half as smart.
Has anybody noticed that almost all of these comments are from potheads just trying to rationalize their unhealthy habits? They all sound so defensive. Everyone keeps saying that alcohol and tobacco are much worse than marijuana. If thats true, then wouldn’t the logical thing be to ban all of them not make them all legal? Thats my opinion, take it or leave it.
Odd, the only addiction I can remember having is caffeine. I don’t smoke, do drugs, or even drink. Yet I think we shouldn’t babysit citizens over petty substances. Besides, tax revenue gain is better than tax revenue loss…
Oh yeah i forgot to add caffeine t my list of substances that should be banned.
What do taxes have to do with this? If all those substances were banned the government would be able to fix the entire economy just from the fines they collect
Um, you seem to have a disconnect on how expensive the war on drugs really is vs how much we could actually get in fines. You see, when you make money, you have money. When you are busted and put into jail for a petty crime for getting high, you are’t making money.
If we taxed weed like we tax tobacco and alcohol, instead of wasting manpower and tax money hunting down these people and levying fines that most likely aren’t going to get paid in a timely manner, we will actually get money.
I mentioned taxes because banning those substances doesn’t make them go away. Meaning we have to spend tax money on patrols, jails, courts, lawyers, etc that could go elsewhere.
Did I seriously just need to explain how law enforcement and taxes work to you or are you just playing stupid to see how much I will type?
i think he’s just a moron.
ok sorry i thought we were having a conversation not insulting eachother.
So you think that the money we would save is worth just giving up the war on drugs? The improvement in every American’s quality of life would be worth every penny
just calling it like i see it…
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so here’s a question for ya… if i smoke a bowl when i get home from work today how does that change your quality of life?
if someone attacks you, do you defend yourself?
sure, because i havent done anything wrong. People who knowingly break the law have no right to defend themselves
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*facepalm*
I’m not even gonna try.
Had I been a wiser man, I would have done the same when I realized that I had to explain taxes and law enforcement above…
[breaking the 4th wall]
I thought your optimism was a very good sign… I’d not let one cretin spoil an ‘up mood…
The laws of the land and history itself state you haven’t a clue what you are talking about. Petty laws are not absolutes and thus can be challenged and possibly overturned. I am not advocating smoking since I have my own opinions about the drug but I also believe the law against it is rather petty and pointless.
“people who knowingly break the law have no right to defend themselves.”
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oh how grateful i am that i am an AMERICAN and lots of people have died to prove that you are completely ignorant. have fun being a moron.
As a Brit, I can tell you people here were hanged or transported for making similar stands…
Both of our countries are now heading back to a guilty until proven innocent mindset, however… the night is falling, I’m afraid.
You realize the United States were founded on “Treason” right? So by your logic, we shouldn’t have actually fought during the revolution?
did you seriously just advocate the reinstitution of prohibition? do you not remember how that ended last time?
nope, i wasn’t there. who says it will be the same?
you don’t see the similarities between prohibition and the current war on drugs? it is exactly the same… normal people are users and criminals are pushers…
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that’s it, i’m done. i refuse to believe that someone as ignorant as you can breath when they’re sleeping…
Let’s put this in a language you can understand.
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Let’s say your mommy sees you with some candy. You’re simply holding the candy, not necessarily eating it. Now, your mommy comes and takes the candy away from you and tells you that you can’t have the candy anymore.
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With me so far? Good.
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Do you want the candy less or more because you no longer can get to it? And, if your mommy has left said candy out where you can get it and simply said no, or your friend next door has candy that you can easily get to, would you go get the candy yourself and hide the fact that you’ve eaten it, or will you be a good little boy and not eat the candy like your mommy said not to do?
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Let me spell it out just in case you’re not following me.
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YOU WILL GRAB THE CANDY AND EAT IT. And then you will lie when your mommy asks you what happened to the candy! Or, you will go next door to Timmy’s house and get some candy from him, and lie to your mommy about getting candy. We are human, and human nature says that we will try to get that which we can’t have.
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In other words, if we ban everything again, it will go down just like it did before, if not worse.
If my mommy has a good reason why I shouldnt eat the candy, then I wont eat the candy, and I will tell my friends not to eat candy, and post comments on the internet about why we should ban candy.
Then that makes you a non-human automaton and not worthy of my time. Good day.
Wanting what you cannot have is not a characteristic of humans, its a characteristic of kleptomaniacs. It’s not natural
If that were true, then the phrase ‘you can’t have your cake and eat it too’ would have no meaning in the vernacular. Also, then people would never strive to reach things they can’t get at the present time.
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You are an idiot.
please provide some proof of how wanting things you cannot have is not a normal human behavior and we might let you slide…
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until then, you’re an annoying elitist troll…
Here is a [LINK] pointing in the other direction.
Yuck! I leave the interwebs for a little while, only
to come back and find you covered with goo!
*wipes froo’s face*
Now go upstairs and get a bath. When you’re done,
you can have candy.
Go Froo! If coveting weren’t second nature to us, it wouldn’t have made the top ten list!
My thoughts exactly.
it’s a characteristic of most animals really.
And what’s the value in forcing people to do what’s best for themselves? Just because something is wrong or non-optimal is no reason to force people not to do it. Humans make mistakes, and that’s how they learn. If you deny people the opportunity to make their own choices and learn from them, you deny them life. A world in which everyone does the right thing because they want to would be a real paradise; a world in which everyone does the right thing because they have to would be an empty, meaningless existence.
the reason why it’s a big deal when he does it is because he’s an olympian. he’s supposed to be the gold standard. he’s supposed to set the example for millions of impressionable youth out there. yes, other people do it, and other people get in trouble for it too, don’t they. just not on the level he did. we’re poor peons. he’s an olympic superstar.
and a fine example it was. smoke some dope and become the worlds greatest amateur swimmer!
now if we can just find out how many bj’s he gets a day and work that into the equation, we’ll be all set.
like it or not celebs and politicians are ‘more equal’ and get away with crap you and i wouldn’t. but it’s also their status that sometimes helps to change the arcane laws and beliefs.
sorry, that really should say “are treated ‘more equal’”. i’m not saying that they should be, they just are.
For people who says he should be alowed to live how he chooses. You are right to a sertain degree but as soon as he chooses to accept a sponsor he agrees to follow their rules and guidelines(just like with any other job). And you are not allowed to break laws just because you don’t agree with them either. If you belive a law is wrong then you should fight to change it.
..Those ungrateful little finger pointers. I’d take my 8 and move to Amsterdam .
I don’t care about all the stupid stuff ur arguring about I’ld just like to say I support Michael 100%!!!! If it were an actor or any other kind of celeb who was caught u all would’ve laughed and overlooked it but an olympian and all of a sudden so many people actually care……….. hmmm…….
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