1/20/2009
1/20/2009
Don’t let the White House doors hit you in the ass on your way out, moron.
(George W. Bush)
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I think he should let the door hit him in the ass. That’s WAY funnier than it not hitting him. Maybe he’ll trip and fall too.
Not funny. Come on liberals, say something funny. Bush the moron is not witty and not even true.
Are you saying you wouldn’t laugh if you saw someone get hit in the ass with a door? I would. Moron or not. It’s human nature to laugh at the missteps of others. I’m not saying he should get hurt, but some Stooges-esque comedy at the end might go a long way to upping his popularity.
Hasn’t his precidency been full of him doing more or less stooges-esque comedy? Polls say it hasn’t worked. ;P
I was thinking that his White House exit would look more like a “perp walk”…
If only Lady Justice didn’t have a taste for Rich Men and Uniforms, then he should have been perp walked, however, he’ll die in his own bed of old age…
‘fraid so…
…filthy rich and *still* thinking everything he did was exactly correct and that he’s one of the best presidents that ever lived.
Hahaha… You live in Arkansas, right? Thought so…
Bush never said he he was perfect, never said he was the
best president ever. He’s admitted that he’s made mistakes.
Bashing a man who’s not even our president anymore is SO
mature.
I think it’s called playing the victim…
i agree that he wasnt so good his last four years ,but he still did more good than harm
So if he admits to mistakes, he’s playing the victim, but he doesn’t acknowledge his mistakes, he’s a moron? Ever think he’s not a complete moron, he just happened to be elected at a time where no matter what he did, the same people would accuse him of always doing the wrong thing?
Wishful thinkin
you haz 1
.
…;P
*attempt to turn PK into meaningless ICHC commentary fail. i haz it*
Polls also say the same about the lame duck Democrat congress.
I bet.
His approval rating is higher than Congress..
Democratic Congress FAIL..
Woops!
It’s richly deserved for buying the whole ‘patriot’ bull and turning round, grabbing their ankles, and taking it dry from a dirt bag who was pandering to numerous agendas and not one in the interests of the people who he’s supposed to serve
One thing I loath about electeds… they seem to think they should ‘rule’ not serve’
as an addendum… at least you know where you stand with a despot…
Bush may not be a moron, but he acts like one. And in the end, the result is the same.
Logic fail. Stop trying to make statements and go back to taking the crap the media spoon feeds you.
Stop trying to pretend to have a brain and crawl back to the ditch your mother bore you in…
Pathetic attempt at a personal attack using a “your mom” joke FAIL.
It wasn’t a joke. Your mom’s a cheap tramp who didn’t even notice when you fell out her gaping hole into a ditch. It was not an attempt to be funny, but merely to warn others that you are a ditch-born troglodyte.
Lol? I don’t know which is funnier, the fact that you’re serious, or the fact that you were able to work the word troglodyte into that statement.
No, my tin soldier, we are just mocking you…
Seth is a devil for ‘dead pan’ humour… The sort of thing you don’t get on ‘Jackass’, so I’m afraid I’d be wasting the time of us both to attempt a further explanation…
And you still smell of wee.
Repetition benefits you.
and you’re boring, as well as an arse who wraps himself in the flag to drive opinions…
MOAR INSULTS PLZKTHX! Heaven forbid you debate instead.
What’s to debate? You’re a ditch-born troglodyte, that’s a simple fact. If you had come up with anything that looked like a debate, maybe you’d get a debate in return. But you haven’t. All you are getting is what you gave out. Allow me to quote: “Logic fail. Stop trying to make statements and go back to taking the crap the media spoon feeds you.” That is not debate, that is childishness. And that’s what we’ve given you in return. Hope you enjoy!
Sorry, this was a continuation of my attempt at getting Fester to actually debate further down the page. But I do enjoy seeing pompous pricks like yourself think they’re important online. Thanks!
well, it took a long time to come back with that one… needed hlepp?
and still pissing on the flag to prove your point…
You’re a reservist aren’t you?
@blarg: said the pot to the kettle..
@charro: Shouldn’t that be “said the pot to
the snow?”
@rho: That doesn’t really work when talking about things you use on the stove. I believe the original quotation goes “That’s the pot calling the kettle black”.
blarg said he “enjoy(s) seeing pompous pricks like yourself think they’re important online.” when clearly he is a pompous prick who thinks he is important online. Maybe I just interpret the quote differently, but it seems to me that he is insulting Unc for being something he is himself. Maybe “That’s the pot deflecting onto the kettle”? It worked in my head. My head’s pretty messed up though.
No insult intended, Unc.
They make white pots too…
…which has nothing to do with what I said or what rho said…
Mulling some on Blarg’s stance below…
Bush is an elected official.
Basically, he is the Employee of the American people, and a temp at that. Now, whether or not he was voted for by ALL the board, he’s still their Temp… He does the Admin that the board (the people) don’t have time to do…
So we have the employee who is reproting to a temp complaininging that the members of the board (who also employ him) think his boss is a moron and cursing them out… seems to have a disjoint on who pays his wages…
@John
But white pots don’t last as long as the black ones. Their enamel cracks, and their shiny black interior just shows right through.
That sound you hear is Blarg running for the dictionary.
ZOMG! But this dictionary isn’t giving me definitions, it’s only giving me similar words I could use to replace troglodyte. Strange…
Did you know that ‘gullible’ isn’t in the dictionary any more?
DUH, it’s on my forehead. Everyone knows that.
You wish. It doesn’t own one. :/
Well, it was given one. It just ate the pages…
so he’s a son of a ditch?
misunderestimate?, waiting 7-9 minutes after the second plane hit?, Brownie is doing a great job? Sorry- these are FACTUAL instances of moronic behavior- I have never believed he was a s stupid as he comes off- but we do have objective data re: moronic bx. Better documentable evidence for this than has ever been found re: white water…and we did not spend billions of dollars looking. Better also than the unsubstantiated accusations that have flown re: Obama must be dirty- all Chicago politicians are dirty, so he must be rhetoric.
asshole
[Groundskeeper Willie voice]: Ooh! Good comeback!
All I had to do was listen to the man talk and I knew he was an idiot. It leaked through around the prefab speeches someone else wrote for him.
There are politicians who can sound intelligent even when they don’t write their speeches… but Bush is not one of those.
Arlge bargle fargl foo foo bunny hop!
Swedish Chef, FTW (sort-of) [LINK]
Damnit, I was going for Blarg-speak. :/
(oh, and thanks for the link. It helped convince me that I need to buy some Muppets dvd-box, if there is one. Excellence and greatness.
)
OMGswedishcheflink.
U win!
Also . . . anyone else sing the Hallelujah chorus today . . . not because we really think Obama is God, but just out of . . . pure bleedin’ hope, maybe?
Yarf. Get that man and his “omg did he just say that about gynecologists?” outta mah capitol!
Actually, no, it’s logic win. Maybe he’s not a moron (I personally think he is, but Ill go hypothetical), but, he’s done some moronic things. The end result is, he looks like a freaking moron, whether he is, or not.
You don’t think he comes off like a moron? Wow… pull the wool over your eyes, much? Don’t need the media to figure that out. I could form a sentence better than him when I was in 2nd grade!
Good riddance, Bush!
hmm. I wonder how funny the Bush-haters will be when Obama screws up trying to do what he thinks is right.
Grow up, people. Bush has more class than any of you haters will ever have – and I really doubt Obama is as low-class as some of you “funny” people.
I liked Bush actually. But I would like to point out that Obama became president just HOURS ago! We don’t know for sure about much yet… Obama could be the best president the U.S. has ever seen, he could screw up really bad, or he could be in the middle with a few screw ups and some great times. Please, do not attack me for my opinions.
Agreed. A wee tad bit of hope that Obama is someone that ISN’T a big red target in the middle of our nation’s forehead giving the rest of the world a very plain excuse to A) hate us or B) just think we’re plain stoopid. =P
Personally I hold the view that no president is ever really going to be able to live up to expectations. Whether or not that’s true is debatable, but it’s certainly true that Obama isn’t going to be able to live up to his hype. It may be the greatest president in history and he won’t live up. It’s insane.
George W. Bush has NO CLASS at all. There is Nothing Funny about Bush. He Presented a Plan to Attack Iraq during his First Cabinet Meeting in January 2001… 9 Months Prior to 9/11/2001. My Cousin Died on 9/11 after getting the Last of the Survivors out of 7 World Trade before it collapsed on Him. He was a Captain in the F.D.N.Y. and left a Wife and 5 Children without a Husband & Dad. Bush NEVER got thru a Press Conference or State of the Union Address without Misspeaking at least a half dozen times. Read My Reply to Scott and about the Harvard University Results for the Last 20 Presidents. George W. Bush has the LOWEST I.Q. of any sitting President in the History of our Nation… His Father is the Second Lowest. Instead of being a Right Wing Party Hard Liner, Try being a Good American who really cares about this Country and does not follow Party Lines no matter what. I have Voted in every Presidential Election since 1975… Some Republican, Some Democratic and Some Independent. I based My Decisions on Who I believed would be the Best Person to Serve as the President of My Great Nation… Not on Biased Party Lines… I Voted My Conscience Every Time. If every person were to do that We would have better Civic Leaders and a more Concise, Ethical and Vibrant Government. You need to know the FACTS before You spout off because it is Not About how Funny anyone thinks Bush was and it is All About How Confused and Lost the Man was at every Moment when He needed to be a Real Leader… Which He never was. Sorry.
You know what Scott? There is NOTHING FUNNY to be said about the past eight years. I would point out that 90% OF THE COUNTRY disagrees with you. Where have you been the past eight years my friend?
Scott, You could not be more wrong. FACT: Harvard University has done I.Q. Evaluations on every sitting President since F.D.R. That is 20 Presidents, not including Obama since He just took Office. #1 – Jimmy Carter has an I.Q. of 188, #2 – Bill Clinton checked in at 184 (the same as Mine), George Bush (Daddy) has an I.Q. of 98, only good enough for 19th and “Dubya” is at the Bottom of the Ladder with an I.Q. of 92.These are Proven, Accurate and Concise Evaluations from one of the Most Revered Universities in the World. You cannot argue with the FACTS.
I cannot Suffer a President of My Great Nation having an I.Q. only Half of what Mine is! I wouldn’t Hire Him as a Junior High School Janitor.
We have been in Constant Danger for the First time on U.S. Soil by a Foriegn Enemy ever since “Dubya” took Office. My Cousin was a 42 Year Old F.D.N.Y. Captain and Died on 9/11/2001 after getting the Last of the Survivors out of 7 World Trade. In Bush’s very First Cabinet Meeting he presented a Proposal to Attack Iraq… 9 full months BEFORE 9/11/2001. He IS a Moron and always has been. He is the Only Sitting Governor to ever be cited with a D.U.I. while in Office. If He was a Comedian it would be Funny but, He was so Stupid on a Daily Basis while in Office that it went from Funny to being so very, very Sad and Frightening. Please Notice that the Government Protected Cheney, not Bush, after 9/11 as well. Bush was little more than a Puppet Dictator with someone else pulling the Strings. 100% Moron… Just Deal with it Scott.
*sigh*…I got this one, guys.
Ok, Chaz: 1) The “study” you quote is an internet hoax. See, e.g., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Presidents_IQ_hoax or http://www-cse.ucsd.edu/users/gary/iq.html
2) I think you should either question the results of the I.Q. test they gave you or apologize to every single one of your English teachers for the entire time you were in school, because there is absolutely no excuse for anyone with an I.Q. over 100 to be unable to learn the simple rules of when words are and are not capitalized. Clearly, either this was too difficult for you or you utterly failed to pay attention.
i ttly agree w/ ya. liberals suck
hey righted get a life
It is so easy to belittle and put the blame on someone when you have no idea what is really going on behind the scenes. We have been safe for 8 years because of this man. I wish our new President God’s Speed. There is alot of work to do, and people have extremely high expectations. They are only men, not super heros.
Safe? bollocks…
I would say so. We haven’t been attacked, have we? We probably won’t know the full extent of what ‘protecting this nation’ involved until many years from now.
Safe!?
Mind if I draw your attention to a 9/11 a few years ago… Let alone a war… Among other things. But I will let more serious people point these niggling details out to you.
Since 9/11/01 we have not had any attacks on our soil, unless you have info.
I don’t?? Love all the “looking down your noses at me”, and calling me cute.
I’d love to know how you know what any of our presidents actually deal with
day to day. The intelligence (yeah, I know, insert joke here) that our
president gets EVERY morning, the things he knows about what way the
political wind is blowing in other countries. The decisions he has to make
because he is the only one that can make them. At least show some
respect for the office. I did not vote for Obama, but he is my president now
and I hope he is the best president we have ever had, am not going to
jump on him the first time he makes a mistake. We are at war, and he wasn’t
the only one that thought it was a good idea at the time (Clinton), so move on.
I didn’t jump on Bush the first fifty times he made a mistake. It took . . . aw, hell, plenty more than that, lol, but dayamn. Honestly – the President does not make that many decisions every day that ONLY HE CAN DECIDE. (Except, of course, which pair of whitey tighties don the presidential booty in the morning.) The American government is set up – leaking around the corners, granted, but set up – to avoid giving one individual the capability to hog the steering wheel all to himself.
anthrax.
Respect for the office… bull droppings
The President is an employee… and a temp at that.
“The intelligence (yeah, I know, insert joke here) that our
president gets EVERY morning, ”
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For example, the memo entitled, “Bin Laden Determined to Attack U.S.”
“We are at war, and he wasn’t
the only one that thought it was a good idea at the time (Clinton)”
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So, the war was actually Clinton’s fault for not being resistant enough to b*sh
*ponders*
Well, at least it’s a more original theory than saying the war was Clinton’s fault for getting a bl0w job.
‘We have been safe for 8 years because of this man.’
Really? And you know that… how? What was it that kept us ’safe’ for the eight years preceeding him?
You, sadly, have bought a pack of baloney. You can throw it out now, the expiration date is loooong gone.
I love the “because of this man” part of the soundbite.
You’ve got to respect how much Kool-Aid that takes…
Oxycotin
“We have been safe for 8 years because of this man.”
Oooer. You’re almost cute.
I myself would not say for the last 8 years. Since 9/11 I do not recall another attack on this soil. – if i am wrong prove me.
America is a big island a long way from most places. ‘no attacks since 9/11′. Quelle surprise…
8 months into that man’s watch 9/11 happened… convenient to forget that. Clinton was a memory… no one else was at the helm at the time…
I was more commenting on the being attacked in 8 years. Some would say that since Clinton was the one that made sure that the Gov branches do not talk to each other, that it could be just as much his fault for 9/11. That attack could have happened during any presidents watch. Saying that 9/11 was Bush’s fault is almost like saying Katrina was Bush’s fault.
The FEMA screw up was… Moral of that story: don’t give a job to a buddy whose prior experience is running a horse club when there are lives on the line…
And how hard was it to get the branches sending memos again? If he’d had a problem with it, he’d have fixed it… 8 months you can fix a lot of fiddly internal admin stuff almost on the back burner… Lame excuses from an apologist.
If you want to point at him and say he was an idiot for possibly not knowing then yes he was, could have been he just did not know. Clinton was also an idiot for telling them not to pass notes. Basically he was either just as dumb as Clinton for not fixing the issue if he knew about it or he was an idiot for not knowing about the issue.
As for FEMA, I do not remember him giving it to a friend. If what you say is the truth, maybe i will decide different.
Also, at least to me, the economy was not to bad until mid this year. Granted Gas prices did drop, they are going back up.
Moral of what I am trying to get across – we do not know what Obama truly has in store until it happens. And we were not totally sure what would happen if Bush had stayed in. I will agree, that Bush did not make great decisions. At least he stuck to them and did not waffle, that i can remember, but then again, i did not pay much attention to the last 34 years – all my life.
I should say 9/11 was not all Bush’s fault.
“Saying that 9/11 was Bush’s fault is almost like saying Katrina was Bush’s fault.”
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Right… no one could possibly have foreseen 9/11, no one could possibly have foreseen the breach of the levees, no one could possibly have foreseen that there were no WMDs, no one could possibly have foreseen the economy tanking, etc. etc. etc. etc., because there was absolutely no expert opinion to predict any of that. Hell, they could have predicted Christmas on Dec. 24th, and if it didn’t fit in with whatever masculinity issues b*sh had on his agenda for that day, he would have ignored it.
so why didn’t clinton, the other bush, regon and any other president fix the levee problem? Clinton knew about the WMD’s, or at least had the same info. The economy was bound to tank because unemployment was going down.
every presedent, ruler, or otherwise ignores what does not fit into their agenda, belief, or otherwise. If you don’t want to believe that the grass is green, then the grass is not green.
“so why didn’t clinton, the other bush, regon and any other president fix the levee problem?”
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From the tone of your earlier posts, it seems like you’re trying to be fair, and I appreciate that. I also agree that b*sh didn’t “cause” 9/11 in that he didn’t pilot the plane, and that he didn’t “cause” Katrina in that he’s not the weather god. I also don’t expect him (or anyone) to be an expert on every possible subject, but that’s why a President has advisors.
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My issue with b*sh (or one of them, anyway, in this specific instance) is that he *refused* to fix problems that he knew about when it was not in his interest to do so. To choose one concrete example, he was advised on what would and would not work in Iraq by no less than Gen. Norman Schwartzkopf [sp?}, who was instrumental in winning the first Gulf War. His advice was not what b*sh wanted to hear, so b*sh threw him out of his office and threatened to fire him. We currently have 4000 and some dead soldiers and no resolution in sight as a direct result. Clinging to one’s beliefs is one thing, endangering citizens for one’s beliefs is another. Hope that clarifies.
Yes it does. Has it reached 4000 or so dead? as i said I have let myself be ignorant on most things. Yes I am trying to be fair. From the things I heard about Obama I fear for our future and my job. I do tech support for hte military. I just hope that what I heard will not come to pass.
we were safe for over 100 years (from foreign enemies) pre 9/11, with only 2 exceptions. WTC in 1993, and Pearl Harbor attack were the only preceeding attacks from foreign enemies, iirc. Gonna give Bush credit for that stretch? Bush did jack to “keep us safe for eight years” The fact of the matter is, simply, our geography has had more to do with our relative lack of attacks than any person or group of people.
Sorry, I’d not read you before my ‘Big Island, a Long Way Away’ comment…
There were also the balloon bombs floated over to the US by Japan late in WWII.
Does this mean that I can show the same respect that Libs and the media have shown to Bush, McCain and Palen to Obamie and Bidet.
Oh god… while the butt hurt whining never end in the form of the same question over and over and over and over and over
You do what you like to old jug ears… just stop whining like a spoiled child because you lost…
and the bloody woman’s name was PalIn
and the Obamessiah, and variants are just boring now… Jug Ears is mine and you can find your own… but I’d wait for my arse to stop throbbing from the dick it’s just taken in last election….
I think it would have been a Lot Funnier if they Banked Hard Right (Get It?) with Marine One’s Door Open and Dropped the Little Moron into the Patomic River. I would have Paid a Week’s Salary just to see that!!! A-A-A-AMEN!!!
and the entire world breathes a sigh of relief
I can actually hear the other countries around the world respecting us again! Yay!
Respect will possibly take some more time. At least there’s probably less of “How the #”%#”@ did they elect/reelect that …?” thoughts. ;P
‘Kay, we haven’t won over the Danes yet…
Oh, the Danes have been a little more US-friendly than we have lately, i think? Don’t know all that much about Denmark, tbh, only travel through occasionally. ;P
Scandinavians then?
Well, yes, I suppose I’d have to admit to being covered by that.
You’re a Swede! I can tell because Swedes always wink and
stick tongues out, like this: ;P
If we have a choice, yes, the tongue prodding thing comes easily to us. ;P
Just don’t let anyone talk you into doing that to any-
thing metal outside…
Alas, I live in Gothenburg, the city of eternal rain (or, if we’re lucky, simply overcast). We rarely get belowe freezing here! (And YES, of course I take advantage of that by licking as many publically exposed metal areas as I possibly can!)
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(We don’t even have polar bears walking the streets… :/ )
Well, if you stick your tongue out often
enough, you can save time not having to
stop to drink water out of a glass.
No polar bears in Sweden???
*alerts the media*
I had a feeling you might, my Swedish comrade. Heh.
(PK just told me to slow down, which is preatty funny considering I am so drunk I am still trying to persuade most of my fingers they are notmy index finger. s.)
WOOOOOOOOOOO PANTY PARTY!!!!
“we haven’t won over the Danes”
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Damn Danes… think they’re so high and mighty with their mermaid statue, and their… um… pastries… Hell in a handbasket… grumble…
Yeah, maybe respect will, but progress won’t! We just swore in the first black President of the Untied States! I’m so proud of us! Respect will come in time. I can surely wait.
Yeah. I feel I was a bit short in my commentary. What I irl said to other people earlier tonight: I may be naïve, but I really think (/hope) the US will have some more sane foreign policy now, which is really my main interest, being forn and all that.
in order to get respect back we’ll have to start limiting who we actual allow to visit other countries…
Why would we want to keep some of them?
The kind of Americans who actually want to visit other countries are Not The Problem. :p
Forty-third!
Wait for the ‘Obamamessiah’, ‘Obamatron’ whinging to commence…
Wow. OldGregg responded like clockwork! LOL
The butt-hurt brigade is out in full force. It’s cool, though. I think of what they must feel, looking at the incalculable throng who are braving the cold on the mall in DC just to welcome Obama to the presidency, their guts twisting with wrath and spite, and it makes me smile.
It’s taking away a little of my 2001 and 2005 butt hurt, I’ll admit.
Oh, who am I kidding??? I’m all *squee!*
I would be all squee, but the wife and I adopted a puppy yesterday, so all we can muster at the moment is a Monty Python-esque “yaaaay.”
I’m all *squee!* myself. Less than two hours now. But hey, who’s counting? I do wish I could be there in person. It must be incredible, even in the 9degree weather.
Just 4 years until we tell The Messiah to “Get the F*ck out!”
nah, unless he does something unspeakably stupid, he’s in for 8 years. The Republican party is splintering as we speak between hardliners and moderates. They’ll be in no shape for 2012
Please define “unspeakably stupid,” because, evidently,
actions I consider “unspeakably stupid” weren’t enough to
stop the last eight-year run.
Based on the last 8 years unspeakably stupid must equate to; fix
the economy, fix the schools, provide universal health care, make
gay marriage legal, create a livable minimum wage, renew a positive
world image, etc… Have we really left the Bazaroverse? It doesn’t feel real yet.
“fix the economy”
Soooooo, we’re gonna outlaw the fed reserve, back our money with a commodity and regulate the banks again?
“fix the schools”
So we’re going to abolish the department of education and turn the shcools back over to the states?
“provide universal health care”
Wrong answer RPOC. If you mean, fix, and by fix I mean: abolish the FDA and take a look at the medical insurance industry. Perhaps put a price fixation on damages for honest mistakes in medical malpractice suite, then we can make it so that medical coverage is affordable and the government won’t have to be involved.
“make gay marriage legal”
Why does any marriage have to be legal? If its an insurance thing then that should be between the insurance companies and their clients/claimants. Using the fed as an arbitrator is a massive waste of resources and time.
“create a livable minimum wage”
How about we stop inflation first by paying the national debt, else we’ll always be catching up
“renew a positive world image”
I’m all for it, however, that would require a change in US foreign policy, which isn’t going to happen in this administration
And can we quit wasting time and resources staging a witch hunt in MBL for steroids? Please?
Wait…that isn’t being investigated by the MLB? The gov’t is spending resources on that?!?
Holy crap. I’m moving to Canada. (ok, not quite, but almost)
Yeah, they have Senate hearings on it. The same guys that can’t make it to Intelligence briefings can make time for Steriod investigations.
Back our money with a commodity?!? Are you serious? How can the monatary supply grow as the economy grows? Won’t there be serious deflation? Aren’t commodities actually, you know, USED IN INDUSTRY? I know computers use gold for connectors, what would happen to the price of gold if we used it to back currency? You gold standards people haven’t thought this thing through.
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How would turning schools over to the states fix anything? What makes a state more competent than the Fed at education?
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Whoa, whoa, whoa! Abolish the FDA? They may cause problems by not regulating industry enough, and letting the pharmas publish fake, cherry picked science, but that won’t be solved by getting rid of them.
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So, you don’t think anyone should be married? I’s about more than just insurance, you know. It’s about inheritance, visitation rights, critical care decisions, and a lot more.
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I’m with you on paying down the national debt. And unfortunately, I think you’re right about our foreign policy.
Ugh, so little time today….
No where near enough time for all of this btu here goes…
Did I SAY gold? No, I said “a commodity”. This current mode of “debt = growing economy (I been doing some reading)” just is not working, there needs to be a change. We can’t continue to devalue the dollar everytime someone goes and gets a car loan. And that doesn’t mean that we get completely off off it…maybe a mix of set commodity backed and debt based…or multiple commodites, hell I don’t care if it’s weapons grade plutonium…actually, that’d be sweet, but something has to give. And as an aside, if we aren’t on the gold statndard, what are we doing with all that gold in Fort Knox?
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AS far as giving the schools to the states….theres two reasons. 1) It’s in the Constitution…may I introduce you to Article 10? 2) You’re telling me that the tax dollars taken in by the fed, filtered through that massive mountain of red tape, then through the Dept of Education, then through the textbook makers, the teachers unions, etc comes back to the local schools as an IMPROVEMENT over having the local schools and states set their own guidlines and money management based on the needs of their kids? Logic fail. Faceless entities cannot educate kids 1000’s of miles away from them effectively.
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Not regulating ENOUGH? Wow,…just…..Wow. Healthcare debate is for another day, I just don’t have enough time.
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You missed my point. Why does marriage have to be sanctioned by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT? Why is there a license for it? It’s against the law in most states to have sex with anyone under 16, but if you DO have sex with someone over the age of 16, is it “state sanctioned” or are you just free to do it? As far as I’m concerned, if you have a SSN you have the Big Three rights garaunteed to you under the Declaration. “..pursuit of happiness,” I tend to put an asterick on the end of that states, “so long as it harms no other”….which is why we have laws preventing murder and theft. No one can convince me of two things: All gay people are that way by choice and that it harms other people. Thus, gay folk can get married all they want. My fundamental question is what right does the governement have to say about it one way or the other? This is an issue of morality, and as such, falls to the states, and again I ask, what right do they have to be involved either?
“It’s about inheritance, visitation rights, critical care decisions, and a lot more.”
And that’s why we have living wills. Mine says DNR.
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Well at least we finally agree on something.
Finally! A coherent argument! Thanks, BattleCry!
Exactly.
There are two things he could do that could seriously upset the apple cart
Talk seriously about reparations (not saying he will-just saying this is the criteria for unspeakably stupid)
or
Screw with the Gun Control to a massive degree. Actually, that might set off a civil war if coupled with the “New Praetorians”. Again, not ssying he will, but this is the kind of stuff that would do the trick
He won’t have to, of course, since you’ll still be in the minority. You can say it all you want, though.
As a libertarian, I strongly disagree with Bush’s policies, but I’m tired of people acting like Obama is the savior.
not the savior… just not bush…
Who’s acting like that?
I haven’t seen a single person ‘worshiping’ him, or praying to him, nor have I heard anything of an Obama based religion forming. Have I missed something? I’m fairly sure most Obama supporters already have chosen a religion and are simply looking to Obama as a new leader for our nation.
It’s people like you, and statements like the one you posted that make Democrats and Republicans discount the Libertarian Party’s views. I’m a Libertarian as well, and I’m personally excited to see what Obama can do. I don’t think it’s fair to judge him before he even steps into office, if in 4 years he hasn’t improved our current situation, I will be the first one in line to vote for a different candidate.
To summarize; acting like a moron isn’t helping our cause.
Seconded.
I have not witnessed any such incidents such as you proclaim either, OldGregg. I feel, personally, that the country will be revitalized, simply because of a new person, and a new party at the head of the executive branch. I believe it also helps, not hinders, that he is “inexperienced” and “young”. “Inexperienced” and “young” people tend to lean more towards “Why do we do thins” instead of “Well it’s been being done for 80 years so I’ll just keep the status quo. We as a nation need more “Why do we do it this way” than status quo.
I think he has made wise choices in his cabinet picks, and is listening to more experienced persons and doing his best to not act rashly. I hope this carries into his presidency, Obama seems a thought ful man and if that carries through the next 4 or 8 years the U.S. could become a thriving nation once again; and perhaps less people would see us as “trying to police the world”.
I think he made an excellent choice in his pick for VP, as Mr. Biden has so much more experience than Obama. That fact alone makes him an intelligent choice.
In short (too late), I don’t think he is a “saviour”. I think he is an intelligent man who can help us through this time of multiple crises.
/end soapbox rant.
“I think he has made wise choices in his cabinet picks”
You mean his pay back to Hillary for not screwing with him during the election? Or selecting a Treasury Sec that “forgot” to pay his taxes?
“Why do we do thins” instead of “Well it’s been being done for 80 years so I’ll just keep the status quo. We as a nation need more “Why do we do it this way” than status quo.
I can’t agree more, however, that’s not what you’ll be getting. This is Clinton 2.0, same ole same ole. He has never said anything concrete about changing US Foreign Policy. And while Biden does have a ton of int’l/defense cred he has one slight probelem. He’s batsh*t crazy. But that’s really no less a problem than any of our other former VP’s
Cheney-Pure Evil
Gore-Just Clueless. The only “Green” he knows about is the color of US currency. Irena Sendler was straight robbed
Qualye-hahahahahahahahahahahah, oh how we miss that guy. Oh the laughs.
Bush I-Former head of the CIA during the Regan years…can ANYONE outside of the KGB be responsible for more “black bag” operations?
Man, why is it every VP is selected purely to make sure that no one shoots the current Pres? A list of tyrants and bufoons.
I thought the Hilary appointment was more enlightened self interest… you don’t cross a Clinton and live… and the female, I think in that case, is manifestly more deadly than the male…
The rest I’ll stop ya when I disagree…
The Secretary of State’s job is to make other countries fall into line without having to resort to using our military. (Ooh, wait, it would be more diplomatic to say “Interface with international policy makers”, wouldn’t it?) I decided back during the primaries that I wanted Hillary for this job. She’s smart, tough, and diplomatically skillful. I think she’ll do wonders for our foreign relations.
Troll statement: It’ll be interesting to see her interact with countries in which she already has a severe conflict of interest, i.e. those who contributed to her husband’s campaigns. /troll.
clap clap clap clap
And they dare not cross her anyway… you know that you never leave a pissed off Clinton alive behind…
and for the delight of all… behind my name another Obama LOL
and the only cure…is….MORE COWBELL!
Or date one….ask Vince Foster…..too soon?
Oh for Pete’s sake. Aren’t you supposed to be a liberal? All that crap about the Clintons killing people came straight from the neocon/fundie camp. I’m beyond sick and tired of self-described “liberals” parroting right-wing talking points, all the way from “she asked to be raped” to “Hillary Clinton’s a vengeful hag.” Get your own damn material. Make it different from theirs. This is why we have third parties in this country at all. Some of us pay attention.
Fester isn’t liberal. He isn’t conservative. He’s an equal opportunity lampooner of stupidity, no matter what side it’s on, and he calls it like he sees it. The Clintons are known for being POLITICIANS, along with every nuance that is attached to that word, including winning at all costs. There are a lot of shady things that happen around them, and it’s well-known that you don’t screw with them. I think that Sec of State was an appeasement so that Obama doesn’t have to look over his shoulder for the next 4 years. I think Rahm was another stragegeric move, in that he’s as ruthless as the Clintons and won’t let them horn in on ‘his’ territory, i.e. the President.
I want 10 mins alone with Rahm in a steel cage. Goes from making 20k on the Fannie Mae board one year to 200k the next…shady little asshat needs his ass kicked.
Your fish is in the mail, I’m sure!
All other politicians, points of view, and opinions aside..
I agree. That guy is shady as they come.
He described himself as “staunchly tory” once, I’m sure….
I’d say it was ‘not proven’ rather than ‘not guilty’ on the body count.
You take it as right wing ‘kool-aid’ if you want, and your God go with you.. I’ve heard stuff from other sources that make me wonder more about Madam C than I do Meister.
Clinton 2.0? Wow! I’m REALLY glad I voted Obama now! I recall Clinton having a budget surplus. That would be pretty darn nice right about now. Although I really hated Clinton for his drug policy (hypocrisy at it’s best, I’m certain), I would gladly take an economic boost, even if it means a sacrifice on drug reform, because I think that it is more important to the nation right now than stopping the war on drugs.
“Clinton 2.0? Wow! I’m REALLY glad I voted Obama now! I recall Clinton having a budget surplus.”
You can’t have a SURPLUS, when there’s over a TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT
“I would gladly take an economic boost”
You mean the TELCOM BOOM, that then went BUST? You mean when we had GRIDLOCK, where the federal government essentially came to a grinding nasty halt for 3 years and didn’t pass jack for legislation?
I know Clinton gets props for the economy of the mid to late 90’s, but he really had very little to do with….just like every other President before him, including FDR. All his programs did nothing to get us out of the depression. WWII and mass manufacturing did that. There’s only one thing that dictates an economy, and that’s the economy.
Let me rephrase: I’d take a chimpanzee over 4 more years of Bush.
Ok, now that I can understand
Interesting that you blame Clinton for the government gridlock instead of the Gingrich Revolution in the legislature. Interesting that you would pin the bursting of the internet bubble on Clinton, and in the next paragraph claim he had very little to do with the economy. Which is it?
For my own part, I remember the Clinton years as a time of unbridled prosperity, a time when our name wasn’t Mud the globe around. I would take Clinton 2.0, hell I would take Clinton 1.0 over the sorry sack of pig excrement that just left office.
Not to mention unemployment at an unprecedented low.
“Interesting that you blame Clinton for the government gridlock instead of the Gingrich Revolution in the legislature. Interesting that you would pin the bursting of the internet bubble on Clinton, and in the next paragraph claim he had very little to do with the economy”
All valid points, and ones I didn’t state so clearly. You can’t do the Kansas City Shuffle without a body and you can’t have Gridlock without an opposition party on the Hill. The Telcom Boom was capital venturists (I still picture guys swinging from ropes with IPO sheets clenched in their teeth like knives) thinking that people would indeed by toothpaste off the web instead of going to the store for it. And then 1,000s of hypernetglobaldynamix’s launched, failed, and the supporting telcom industries like MCI and Qwest ate the loss, stock prices fell, and everyone took it in the shorts.
Never meant to imply that Clinton was at fault for those, and I looking at my post it seems I did, for which I whole heartedly apologize. Simply trying to state that there were other things at work at the time of the Clinton Years.
As far as taking Clinton over Bush. One way or another, someone’s getting screwed.
Ha! True, true, but I’d rather an intern get it than the whole country!
more win
“You can’t have a SURPLUS, when there’s over a TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT”
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Math win. At the end of Clinton’s Presidency, we had a budget surplus. Now we’re a trillion dollars in debt. Logic fail.
Please go read any reputable essay about the great depression and stop parroting right wing talking points from seventy years ago. Look at a graph of employemenht during those year, or GDP. It is quite clear that the New Deal was working fine, until 1937 when the Republicans forced FDR to dial it back a notch. Clinton’s policies also had a huge effect on the economy. This is simply right wing propaganda, and incredibly transparent, as right wingers will, in the same breath, tell you Reagan did wonders for the economy. Right wing ‘fiscal conservatives’ (what a joke!) just can’t stand that Democrats do it better. As a simple measure, take stock market growth under Republican administrations over the last century, and compare it to growth under Democratic administrations. Under Republicans, stocks grew at an average of less than 1%. Under Democrats, over 8%. Okay, that’s not entirely fair, so why don’t we discount Hoover. Then it’s 3% to 8%. Either that is an incredible coincidence,m or you are entirely wrong about the president not having an impact on the economy. And if you want to argue the facts, go ahead. The New York Times only had this all in a full page graph a few months back.
I actually recall being told that FDR prolonged the depression. Everywhere I go I hear about how government messing with the economy just screws things up. The government doesn’t produce wealth, it just takes money from the population and gives it to someone else. Most of the nation is in undesirable conditions, which means that every dollar the government spends trying to fix the problem is taken from people who could REALLY use the money right now.
“Most of the nation is in undesirable conditions, which means that every dollar the government spends trying to fix the problem is taken from people who could REALLY use the money right now.”
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As you may or may not already know, there are a pretty fair number of corporations that pay NO income taxes (see link). I may not be rolling in dough this year, but I’m pretty sure Exxon is.
No one makes 100% perfect choices 100% of the time.
Nobody’s asking for perfect. Just more good than bad. We have decidedly NOT had that for the past eight years.
Seems someone was, jumping all over my idea that Obama was wise with his cabinet choices. That may imply all, but like I said. No one can be 100% perfect 100% of the time. So obviously, I can’t be perfect in my reasoning that he made wise choices.
Some were wise, some will take time to tell.
As a small government conservative I can tell you I’ve seen PLENTY of Chosen One worship. All you have to do is turn on your local news today, or Oprah at any point in time during the last year.
And the libertarian party has been in existance for what, 40 years? Have you ever even got more than 1% of a national vote in the presidential election? Anyone in congress? Even the poster boy for Libertarian Leanings, Ron Paul, endorsed The Constitutional Party’s candiadte, Chuck Baldwin, over the LP’s Bob Barr.
The Libertarian Party is a safe have for soveriegn and wannabe soveriegn citizens that refuse to believe that the federal government has any role in any thing. At least, that’s what’s at the top. There’s a grass roots in that party to move over to “moderate” small government conservatism, but the party as a whole is too disorganized to ever be anything more than on the fringe. Which is a shame, because right now, more than ever, there’s a lot of conservatives that have left the Republican party because they(like myself) reject the NeoCon rule and mantra. If the Libertarians would lose some of their less mainstream atttitudes and focus on the things that they are right about in reference to the Government and how it should be run, they’d get a lot more people looking their way.
But no. You guys just keep hanging with NORML and we’ll all just keep shaking our heads.
Yes, obviously gutting the government has done WONDERS for this country. No economic oversight, check. No border security, check. No disaster response capability, check.
Heckuva job, BattleCry.
Gutting? What GUTTING are you talking about? make up your mind….either Bush is responsible for the largest increase in the size of the Fed ever or he gutted all vital programs. Make up your mind Chavez.
At what point did I decry the largest increase in the size of the Fed? I think you have me confused with one of the voices in your head.
Logic fail. It’s entirely possible that a president can gut all vital programs AND increase the size of the fed, simply by increasing NON-vital programs.
“What GUTTING are you talking about?”
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Are you serious? b*sh, like Saint Reagan before him, presided over a huge transfer of wealth to corporations and the top 1% income bracket.at the expense of social services and the middle class — hence, “gutting”. That’s how it’s possible that Exxon has had record profits for the past four years running, and yet the job market is the worst it has been in 50 years.
But you can say EXACTLY the same thing about the Republicans and their blind worship of what ever corporately sponsored candidate has been sold to the selection committee… Look at the blind hero worship for Senator Palin.
Over here, our libertarian party are sending copies of ‘Nineteen-Eightyfour’ to every MP, with the book plate, ‘This book is a warning, not a manual’… I confess, I find their stance on there being no age of consent enshrined in law as it infringes personal liberty, and a taste for the death penalty, both more than a little third world (or south of the Mason Dixon Line/West of the Pecos, and anyone who claims the second amendment was ‘god given’)
There are zombies on all sides… including the libertarians…
Question – who’s going to pay for interstate roads and infrastructure?
Fester said
“Question – who’s going to pay for interstate roads and infrastructure?”
I said earlier
“The Libertarian Party is a safe have for soveriegn and wannabe soveriegn citizens that refuse to believe that the federal government has any role in any thing.”
Federal Governement absolutely has a role. The question becomes, to what extent? Funny thing about the roads in the states there Unc, the fed doles out highway money to the states and the states then organize the maintenance. One of the things the fed is actually supposed to do, they subcontract out. Gotta love it.
And if we had maintained the opinion that banks are adversarial to the market and not PART OF IT, then we wouldn’t have lifted various regulations against the banks that put us smack dab in the middle of the mess we are in. There is such a thing as good regulation, especially when it protects the markets and the general public from rampant corporatism and banks.
Banks are NOT supposed to be part of the market. reread that sentence about 50 million times. Take it to heart, commit it to memory, let no one tell you otherwise. Reason? In our economy (US), the only things banks produce are inflation and less value to our dollar.
Finally… sense! I was beginning to wonder if English was a first language…
Banks are no market… under the current model they’re basically a 24 hour casino
“Funny thing about the roads in the states there Unc, the fed doles out highway money to the states and the states then organize the maintenance. One of the things the fed is actually supposed to do, they subcontract out. Gotta love it.”
The reason the federal government gives the money to the states, and allow the states to spend it, is because Republicans have passed laws mandating that it work that way. All part of “Get them damn feds out of my business” philosophy.
Link it, prove it, or it ain’t true
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How about a paper from the right wing RAND corporation web site, exsplaining what block grants are and why they like them?
*crickets*
*more crickets*
Palin related-
She’s a gov, not a senator, but hey, you know her name, which is one more American Politician you know than I know across the pond, so score there is you 1 me 0.
And I caught the Palin train early, and then got off. She’s not the idiot the media make her out to be and while I believe that she is truthful in her desire to clean out political wrongdoers, I question her…..religon/ethics/NeoConism and how much of an effect that would have on policies she makes.
One thig is for sure. The Rep’s didn’t pander to McCain.
I’d disagree on your opinions about her honesty and mental agility… the rel
Apologies for forgetting it’s Gov Palin… I knew Gov. Bush in 1999 if that’s a consolation…
The fact that you take the time to take an interest in politics outside of Buckingham scores you points in my book. I know I sure as hell don’t look outside the borders of the states
And I wasn’t even paying attention to him being British. But I will reiterate from where I commented elsewhere on this post, that his garbage about the Clintons killing people who cross them is straight out of the neocon playbook.
I mean, really. Why’s Lewinsky still alive?
*struggles with better self*
*tries not to say it*
Becauseshegivesgreathead?!?
*shakes head at self sadly*
I love that you bring NORML up first. I have one simple question: What on earth does what I smoke have anything to do with anyone but me?!?!? Prohibition didn’t work for alcohol, and it hasn’t worked for marijuana. Everyone who wants to smoke, still does, but now you call them criminals and waste billions of tax dollars per year locking them up rather than simply allowing them to do as they please. Free country my ass.
Of course you’re too closed minded to research your own facts, or form your own opinion, so you’re going to stick with “Drugs are bad, pot smokers belong in jail” because that’s what everyone told you to think.
Did I say for even two nanoseconds that I think nonviolent pot smokers should be thrown in jail? No, don’t think I did.
What I did say was that the LP spends too much time on issues of smaller consequence than on their main issues which people could actually really around. NORML and the LP used to be super tight. The LP website a couple of years ago even had direct links to them.
Fact is, most folks don’t have any idea how to treat the drug problem in America and it has everything to do with no one being willing to budge from their platform. If everyone admitted the following:
Pot is a gateway drug for some people, but not all, not even the majority
Pot is not like “harder” substances and should not be luumped in with them
We’d get a lot farther on Drug War reform.
That implies people could admit being ‘wrong’… ain’t gonna happen…
I guess I spent too much time on my “jump to conclusions mat” this morning. I assumed too much BattleCry, but the majority of what I said holds true. I agree with you that many people see something like “decriminalize marijuana” and jump to a knee-jerk reaction and assume the entire Libertarian party is full of drug crazed lunatics that want elementary school vending machines stocked with pot brownies.
YES sacrificing some of our agendas to make our platform more “electable” is certainly the best way to earn a broad following. But then haven’t we sold out, and become Democrats or Republicans? If we wanted to be just like the other parties, we could simply join them!
blockquote fail….the part after “brownies” is mine. And, no, that’s not what I had for breakfast. :headdesk:
I was about to scold you for not sharing with me diss!
Sadly, Steve, the most exciting thing I have to share at the moment would be my Diet Mountain Dew. Or..*rummages through desk*…well, I’ve got some Advil.
Diet….awwww I don’t drink unleaded…
*pouts*
Thanks anyway diss…
*offers Steve the 2-liter of regular Mtn. Dew that’s been in the backseat of her truck for about 2 weeks*
Want this? I bought it by accident.
Legalize all drugs, then tax the hell out of them.
I totally agree with your statement.
*waits for matter/anti-matter annihilation*
Frankly, that’s the wisest thing I’ve seen AF say yet. Yes, some of the really hard drugs are killers, but so is alcohol. So are many prescription
drugs. (And btw, no one can convince me that Viagra is
anything more than a recreational drug, and it’s advertised
heavily on the TV. Yet it’s OK but other recreational drugs – other than alochol – are bad?) There will always be some people who
can handle their habits, and some who can’t. As long as they’re not harming anything or anyone else, and do it in the privacy of their
own homes, it’s the business of them and who they live with,
period.
Anyway, it’s foolishness to think that anyone can stop people
from wanting to get messed up at least from time to time,
and at least if the stuff was sold in some kind of regulated
outlet, younger people would at least be carded before they
could buy. Your average street dealer never asks for ID.
So I had a big long response to this but it has been eaten by the aether.
I also agree with AF.
@Isengrim: Viagra isn’t classified as a recreational drug because it is not a mood altering substance. It has a physiological effect -making one’s dick hard – but it doesn’t get you high. That’s why it is not classified that way.
The psychiatric drugs prescribed are mood altering, but they have been approved by the FDA and fall into the DEA Schedule categories. Coke, pot, meth, those all fall under schedule 1, because they have been deemd, by the FDA and the DEA, to have “no therapeutic value”.
So your mood altering drugs fall into the 4 DEA Schedule categories and the ones we can’t use have been deemed as “non valuable”.
You make a good point though, since Viagra is used to “recreate”. Caffeine and chocolate actually fall into the mood altering category, but Viagra won’t.
I’m not trying to convince you – I see your point – just wanted to toss out there why it’s not considered “recreational”.
*deemed
Not really Steve, you have to win the winnable battles before you go after the moral ones. The LP could actually win a lot of seats if they’d just drop all the peripheral parts of their party platform. Who says that a party HAS to have a platform on drugs, or abortion, or capital punishment? That’s part of the problem we have now. A Two party system where the battle lines on morality are clearly drawn and godz help you if you cross the line on one of those isses.
A Pro life democrat and an abortions rights advocate republican will both see no support from their party, regardless of where they stand on ALL the other issues.If the LP would just streamline their platform to an economic one they’d attract midwestern small government types in droves.
Excellent point. Dividing a party who shares the same general beliefs over small disagreements isn’t going to help form a united front. I’m glad to see they dropped the Pro-Life/Pro-Choice platform from their website. It basically divides the party in half immediately, and that doesn’t help our cause.
Yeah, ’cause we all know that prohibiting women from obtaining medical procedures when we’re adults and capable of deciding for ourselves has no consequence whatsoever.
Fine. Let’s make organ donation mandatory. When someone yanks you off the street and takes one of your kidneys in a government-sponsored donation center then you can come back and tell us how inconsequential bodily integrity really is.
The military isn’t an economic issue either. Shall we leave that entirely to the states? Hey, I’m game. Beats having a standing army.
Ok kids, lets play a game…what issue is more important than abortion? I’ll start, add as they come to you, one vote per person
The Economy
The Economy? Hell, no. The choice to abort is way more important. Are you daft or do you pretend for the sake of argument?
Let’s play a different game: Who here thinks that
only one problem can be worked out at a time,
in linear fashion, in order of priority*?
*assuming universal agreement on priority
Ooooh, I love this game! It’s very much like “No one is allowed to say that anyone but the very worst-off person on the globe deserves to, or should, get any help”! Love that one too.
To be honest, while I want to see cannabis legalized, I get angry every time I see someone talking like you because you REFUSE to acknowledge that when you smoke around other people, you are forcing them to partake of your drug whether they want to or not.
If you are not willing to let nonsmokers breathe clean air by default, if you are OK with forcing people to inhale your drugs, then no, you don’t deserve the right to smoke weed legally. And I’d gladly see tobacco banned too, more so than cannabis which at least has medical uses–so I’m not a hypocrite.
Who said anything about smoking it in public? Where I’m at, you can barely smoke tobacco on the streets any more. You sound as if pot were
legalized, then all of a sudden people would be smoking it in theatres,
restaurants, etc, where tobacco is already banned (this is banned everywhere
in Canada, and they’ve even started passing laws here and there that
make it a criminal act to smoke in a private vehicle containing minors). And that’s tobacco. Impaired driving laws already forbid the smoking of cannabis
in vehicles, even if cannabis were legal.
I think, were it legalized, pot smokers would be quite happy to keep
their indulgence at home, or at a legally-sanctioned smoke cafe (if
allowed by public-smoking laws) in which a non-smoker would not
have any reason to enter.
Well said.
I’m only asking for the right to do as I damn well please in the privacy of my own home.
Currently smoking Tobacco in public buildings (including taverns) is illegal where I live as well. I wouldn’t expect cannabis to be treated any differently.
Thanks. Can I have a hug, too? I’m feeling left out.
Dana – My right to smoke is only valid as long as I do not infringe upon others rights to abstain from smoking. That is the definition of Freedom in my book.
I would never smoke in a public place. Ever. (With the possible exception of a smoking lounge designated for exactly that purpose)
I do not allow people to smoke tobacco in my home, and I would never smoke anything in my home in the presence of a non-smoker.
Your right to breathe clean air is just as important as my right to smoke if I choose to.
FREEDOM and EQUAL RIGHTS go hand in hand.
If I was a just a tad gay, I would rape you with love and affection long time for that statement. As it stands, you just get a hug for being awesome.
*manly hug*
Thanks DWN!
*strictly hetero-hug*
Honestly, if people could just abstain from being inconsiderate a-holes….
*slaps self*
Sorry, I started dreaming there for a second…
Do you believe in individual liberties or not? If you do, then overturning the cannabis ban makes perfect sense, if we’re going to leave tobacco and alcohol legal.
God. Everybody thinks they stand for something til you aim at one of their sacred cows. Ideological consistency, ur doin it rong.
It must be noted that Obama’s appointment is an effing big watershed in that he is the first non-white president of the US. That rightfully instills a sense of occasion in some people.
Combine that with the departure of one of the most incompetent politicians in years… I mean: Bush now claims his biggest achievement was that he kept America safe. 9/11 was in his reign, and that was the first assault on US territory since WWII. What exactly, then, is ‘unsafe’ in his book? All-out nuclear – beg pardon, nucular – war?
“and that was the first assault on US territory since WWII.”
(cough) first world trade center bombing in 93 (cough).
That’s a terrorist act, not a military attack.
Arguing semantics? really? All coordinated attacks are military in nature. And military attacks not commited by a country get labeled under Terrorist.
smoke that
Was the Oklahoma city bombing a military attack? Did it warrant military intervention, or was it a law enforcement issue?
It was done by members of a Militia so I think it was a para-military attack… by the UK definitions, we’d have called that…
And oddly enough, OK City didn’t require military intervention. Plain old law enforcement did it’s job, just like it did in the ‘93 WTC bombing.
Ok, so you don’t support Clinton’s action to lob missles at Afghanistan in retaliation?
Jeez, get your facts straight. The missile attack on Afghanistan was in 1998. The OKC bombing was in 1995. If you’re this confused about facts, it’s no wonder you’re a conservative.
[LINK] for Afghan missile attack story.
Shot down AGAIN! You’re just a font of misinformation, aren’t you?
Ok geniuses, and WHY did we lob missles at afghanistan? For Kicks? Slow news day?
From memory, it was intel on a SAM dump and some other goodies…
To be fair, OK City was a home grown, right wing, Christian dillhole, not a radical muslim. Presumably, that doesn’t count.
First assault on US territory since WWII? What about the previous WTC bombings of 1993 then?
Bombers arrested within two weeks
DOES NOT EQUAL
Osama bin Laden still at large somewhere east of Tora Bora
Osama planned em both, made sure they got done. Attack on US soil is an attack on US soil. Unless perhaps you’d like to argue that one detonation of explosives is worse than another? The result in this case means nothing, it’s the intent.
Nope. Wrong again. Osama did not plan the original WTC bombing. The ‘93 bombing was planned by Ramzi Yousef and financed by his uncle, Khaled Shaikh Mohammed. And all the conspirators were caught.
I think BattleCry is having trouble with the concept of “they.”
“They” have different names, a novel idea in his brain.
I’m tired of Libertarians acting like their pie-in-the sky ideology isn’t totally bankrupt, and that they haven’t been completely discredited thanks to their onerous influence on the derugulation of our financial markets.
Battlecry makes a good point above…
I think the problem with Libertarians is that they are like trying to herd cats…
No, the real problem with libertarians is that they feel that the only legitimate function of government is protecting the rights of property owners. As Adam Smith wrote, “Civil government, so far as it is instituted for the security of property, is in reality instituted for the defense of the rich against the poor, or of those who have some property against those who have none at all.” Libertarianism is a recipe for tyranny, and I’m not buying the idea that libertarians don’t understand that. They understand it and desire it; they think they are better than everyone else and will be the tyrants. Of course, most would be powerless serfs if their system was ever implemented.
Adam Smith? really? Dude, Libertarians today are Goldwater Libertarians, at least here in the states they are. Their ultimate “bad scenerio” is Anarchy.
Anyone in business that sides with Adam Smith isn’t a libertarian, he’s a closet Gordon Gecko.
The quote is a relevant critique of one of the central beliefs of libertaransim: strong property rights. I’m not claiming libertarians go around quoting Adam Smith. Anyone who’s read Adam Smith knows he was all for government regulation. Libertarians ARE anarchists, that isn’t their ‘bad scenario’ it is what they are after. There are many different brands of anarchism these days, libertarians represent the individualist anarchist school, while I, for instance, am an anarcho-syndicalist, a branch of social anarchism. Do try to keep up.
Goldwater Libertarians are NOT anarchists. No where near it. Now, ex “the Posse” members and others like them and that come from them…now THOSE are your anarchist whack jobs, also known as a soveriegn citizen, sometiimes expatriated.
And those guys that think that Heroin should be free and available to the public just so long as they can pay for it. In theory, sure, in practice….not so much (there’s one guy in particular…goes to the ghettos and hands out cigarettes…I’m sure you know who I’m talking about).
And it’s hard to keep up when I’m rocking out to Clutch.
I don’t believe that at all. If that’s Libertarianism, then I truly am a political orphan. No party in existence is looking out for my best interests.
Welcome to my world
Steve – There are no ‘good’ political parties, simply ones whose lies line up most with one’s prejudices…
and I’ve been a political orphan since the Thatcher Govt tried to sell me the idea of running a boom on credit… when they try to tell you that you’re ‘under mortgaged’ you realise that they’re selling your arse to the Corps and the Banks by the pound…
“Libertarianism is a recipe for tyranny, and I’m not buying the idea that libertarians don’t understand that. They understand it and desire it; they think they are better than everyone else and will be the tyrants. Of course, most would be powerless serfs if their system was ever implemented.”
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This is a flaw in almost all the folks I’ve encountered with heirarchical mindsets, although I admit that, as far as I know, few of them have been Libertarians. They seem to have an inadequate grasp of numbers and assume that they’ll ALL be in the ruling 1%. It’s like when Stewie Griffin discovered the God of the Old Testament and said, “Omnipotence, gotta get me some of that”. That’s not how it works.
Don’t worry, Ron Paul can still ride into Washinton on a unicorn and impliment a system of governance with basic flaws that a five year old child can see.
I prefer calling him Ru-Paul…
Dammit, Unc…Ron Paul in fabulous evening wear and heels was not an image I needed this morning.
*adds economy-sized brain-bleach to shopping list*
First Dennis K.’s equipment and now this…you are two for two on “disturbing”.
Now you’re just encouraging him…
Besides, in all fairness, Giuliani was the cross-dresser.
Go ahead, check it. [LINK]
Seen it before, and it still makes me lol…:-)
He definitely had some “out there” ideas that I didn’t support, and couldn’t understand how he proposed they would actually work.
That said, he also has some ideas that show great potential.
He supposedly stands up for individual liberties but would gladly see abortion outlawed, whether or not the feds do it.
So I have no right to stop being someone’s life support machine if I don’t want to be one (nobody gets pregnant on purpose, they can only increase the chances of pregnancy–ask anyone who’s infertile and has tried for years). You know, women are citizens of this country, and women are human, and women are individuals. If I wouldn’t have my full human rights under this guy then I don’t want him in the White House.
Now, I’ve had two kids. I am not against motherhood. But if I feel I have very good reasons for ending a pregnancy, I should be able to do that, and if someone doesn’t want to be a mother at all and has an oops then she has a right to end things while it is still much less risky for her health than going through childbirth would be, especially with drug-resistant infections and the c-section rate both skyrocketing. Not to mention how traumatized children tend to be by adoption in most cases, even when they are newborns–maybe especially so.
I am not happy with the way this issue is handled in our country. The last thing I want up there is some arsechapeau who thinks he can decide things for women ’cause WHAT ABOUT DA BAY-BEEZ, and his excuse is that he’s an OB/GYN who has delivered them. Big deal. Abortion providers are too. Some of them even deliver babies, as Dr. Slepian did.
Just to answer part of your post, and speaking as an at-six-weeks adopted child, I say horsesh!t to your statement of trauma at an early age.
“Not to mention how traumatized children tend to be by adoption in most cases, even when they are newborns–maybe especially so.”
Sources, please?
Deregulate the market all you want….just keep control of the banks and for the love of all that is holy, back our money with something other than debt
Obama could be the second-worst President ever, and still be a vast improvement.
I think you’re confusing patriotism for Obama-worship. We’re Americans, not religious fanatics.
From this side of the Atlantic, there’s not much difference between the shades of meaning in those too terms… Only variation seems to be whether you have an elephant or a donkey with the Jewish Zombie…
That’s not quite fair. Only 70% of them identify as some form of Christian.
Yeah, but compared to the countries in the EU most American Christians might as well be devout puritans. For example, there’s a whole party here that believes that government should be run based on the Bible. Their priorities are:
Abortion
Stem Cells
Prayer in Schools
etc etc
While this may sound like the Republican Party Platform, I’m actually referring to The Constitution Party. Which is a sad sad statement, because I guess its onlu the Constitution as they interpret it. Personally, I’d love it if all the NeoCons moved over there so I could have my party back.
They don’t have revivals in Europe. Not like they do in ‘bama
You can keep them… We’ve had 900 years of the Church of Rome without adding those loon monkeys to the mix… unless we can just give them Rockall…
“there’s a whole party here that believes that government should be run based on the Bible. Their priorities are:
Abortion
Stem Cells
Prayer in Schools”
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None of which are actually mentioned in the Bible, so irony fail?? Or win??
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It’s occurred to me more than once that if this stripe of politics presented their viewpoint as something like, “we believe that women are second-class citizens, that gays shouldn’t have equal rights, etc. etc.”, they would quite accurately be denounced as bigots — but if they say, “OUR RELIGIOUS BOOK believes that… [the exact same things]“, then people feel that their viewpoint has to be respected.
Interesting side note to this: psychology has always excluded expressions of cultural belief from the definition of mental illness. Can’t have believing in ivisble Sky Daddies as grounds for labeling someone crazy. But now there are
support groups for bulimics and anorexics online. So it’s cultural, and psychologists are in a bit of a pickle.
GAH! I hate this computer.
Anyway.
To be fair, (an issue) isn’t classified as a psychiatric disorder until it
negatively and severely impacts your day to day life (or others lives). So, simply
believing in a skydaddy wouldn’t fall into that category.
Now if your belief in skydaddy impacts your life and your ability
to take care of yourself/others, a psychiatrist could probably boil
99& of those people down to this disorder or that. Good possibles: schizophrenia/other psychotic disorders, obsessive-compulsive
disorder and delirium/dementia.
But you do make a good point, psychology and psychiatry stray
away from beliefs (cultural or religious) because of the inability
to properly (scientifically) classify “faith”.
I wish that that statement were unfair. I wish it with all my heart. Even among the people who manage to free themselves from the zombie, there seems to be a need to replace it with some other mumbo-jumbo, like paganism or rastafarianism.
Or scientology, or liberalism, or racism, or scifi-ism, or Wow. Everybody’s into something. Me? I go with what you may call agnostic, I call it, Jumpstart Theory.
Or libertarianism…
You Europeans think anyone professing religious faith is a fanatic. You should try looking at atheists from the religious point of view, putting all faith in humanity and human “reason” in the face of overwhelming evidence that neither is infallible nor ultimately reliable.
Atheists are not people who put “all faith in humanity”. In fact, that problem is far more characteristic of religious fundamentalists.
Atheists in general are the people who are _particularly_ aware of human beings’ shortcomings: that’s why we don’t blindly accept their unfounded religious claims.
Try to get this straight next time. You’re exactly as backwards about this as you could possibly be. The fact that human reason is fallible and unreliable is a strike _against_ religion, and _for_ atheism, not vice-versa.
No, “we Europeans” don’t. You Americans are all daft from only eating pan pizza since you were born?
Hey now. I’ve had plenty of non-pan pizza. No need to call ALL of us daft.
I found the “you Europeans” comment to be so amazingly daft, I didn’t even manage to come up with anythihg clever but just did a “how d’ya like this”-thing. I’m annoyed, bitter, drunk, and it’s 4 am.
She can’t help it… her imaginary friend tells her these things…
we also enjoy French Bread and deep dish, don’t you dare pigeon hole us
not All ov us…i mostly consume rice-based dishes, thanks.
There’s overwhelming evidence? Where?
Blanket statements like that are ignorant and offensive. “You” anything is ofensive
Better than putting one’s faith in a Jewish Zombie who is magically his own father who seems to have a taste for slinging people into hell… Generally, we know people are not going to match a mythical standard of perfection, and work round.. I don’t see that I should give you more respect for having an imaginary friend called Jesus, or Krishna, or think that one called Allah is going to give you 72 golden currents in Paradise when you die, than I would someone who told me his invisible friend Bob had shown him how to make an atom bomb from an empty soup tin and a box of cake mix…
For people who want it… something to p-o Christians behind name
TBH, it seems that some people just need an abusive parent to keep them good..
Better than putting one’s faith in a Jewish Zombie who is magically his own father who seems to have a taste for slinging people into hell… Generally, we know people are not going to match a mythical standard of perfection, and work round.. I don’t see that I should give you more respect for having an imaginary friend called Jesus, or Krishna, or think that one called Allah is going to give you 72 golden currents in Paradise when you die, than I would someone who told me his invisible friend Bob had shown him how to make an atom bomb from an empty soup tin and a box of cake mix…
For people who want it… something to upset Christians behind name
TBH, it seems that some people just need an abusive parent to keep them good..
The stop listening to Rush and O’reilly and Coulter dear- the mass majority of Obama supporters simply see the potential positive that he represents- we know it is not magic.
And I am tired of people acting like Bush is a moron. It says much more of you than it does of him.
“I am tired of people acting like Bush is a moron”
Why shouldn’t they, as long as he is doing it?
That was you on the “Leave Britney Alone” vid, wasn’t it?
ROFL!!! win!
Wow! It’s like arguing with spoiled little 5 year olds on here! What next? Gonna call some one a Boogerhead?
I know you are, but what am I?
(pats his little pointed head) pat*
You patted your own head?
Ivan has a flat head, since his cerebellum never developed…
I prefer poopoo head myself
Or meanie meano
“acting like?” I also act like the sky is blue and water is wet. How do you act?
Without getting into specifics, I think it involves throwing poo…
That’s not a specific?
Well, I didn’t say whether he had eaten corn recently…
I agree completely. He did what he thought was right while he was in office, I can’t say that I truly disagree with anything he did. Blame is laid at his feet that doesn’t belong there and still he tried what he thought was the right thing to do. And I shudder at the wake up call everyone will receive when Obama doesn’t turn out the savior everyone claims him to be.
If Bush was doing “what he thought was right”, then I can think of no greater proof of his mental (and moral) inferiority.
Also, please note that the only people calling Obama “savior” are bitter Republicans still wincing at the pounding they received in November. Nobody who supports Obama calls him “Messiah” or “Savior” or any other title of divinity. In fact, Obama has an incredibly low bar to clear… he only has to be better than Bush.
Damn, n8, I was gonna say that.
Bush blundered his way through the last 8 years on a platform of smoke and mirrors. Wait.. Maybe it does say more about “us” than it does about him… Since “we” as a nation elected him twice (well, we sort of did.. he said so, right?).
How does the old saying go? Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me?
I never voted for Bush. I always thought he was a moron. Where this country is now, as a whole, is a testament to that opinion.
Well, supreme court intervention and voting fraud notwithstanding, the fact remains that as a country, as a people, we have much to answer for. Sending monkey-boy to the hague would be an excellent beginning.
Hear, hear!
See, see!
Didn’t happen with Kissenger… won’t happen with Bush…
The (probable) truth of your statement does not negate the truth of mine.
we elected him once, the second time. Or well, some of you all did. I voted Nader that year.
I did and I have more than half a mind to open myself up to voluntary lynching for it. Gawd.
/me bawls
I wonder if the “I was doing what I thought was right” will be his best defense at the War Crimes Trial…
If it’s handled in Den Haag, then it won’t fly… Europe remembers Nuremberg…
I’m certain Obama will not suppress Intelligence in an attempt to lead us into a worthless war of choice. He’s already ahead of the game.
That would imply he has intelligence to begin with- not just a propaganda press corp admiring his every step.
Yeah, PM’s statement didn’t take your tired mantra into account.
Sorry about your luck…
I hate to believe that our president was a moron, unfortunately the fact that he was indeed a moron leaves me little choice!
*pat pat* There there Steve. We’re all smarting from that one. Here, have some hershey’s kisses *holds out candy bowl*
*nomming chocolate*
Thanks Charro…Hershey’s Kisses…The Breakfast of Ex-Champions!!!
Or some little chocolate donuts?
“I logged a lot of miles training for that day. And I downed a lot of doughnuts. Little Chocolate Donuts. They taste good, and they’ve got the sugar I need to get me going in the morning. That’s why Little Chocolate Donuts have been on my training table since I was a kid.”
John Belushi FTW!!!! Glad someone got my reference!!
One of the most EPIC, CLASSIC SNL moments ever…
And I am tired of people acting like Bush isn’t a moron. It says much more of them than it does of him not being a moron…which he is.
Bush is, in fact, a moron.
You’re sick of people pointing out the obvious while you’re trying desperately to deny it.
“It says much more of you than it does of him.”
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Yeah, like that I have accurate powers of observation?
Meh. This caption is a bit too much “shooting fish in a barrel” for me. :/
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Oh, and … Who’s the real moron – the moron or the morons who let him stay in the House for 8 years? ;P
hear hear
Don’t blame me… I voted for Kerry…
*pouts*
I wasn’t old enough.
Well, he’s the moron for the 1st 4 years. The “majority” who voted him in for the 2nd 4 years are the moronic morons. But he’s still a moron.
Also, shouldn’t the term really be “less-on”? I mean, the word “mor-on” sounds like there is more, when the word “less-on” sounds like there is less..
Yes, I made that up. Have a giggle, it’s good for you.
FWIW now, I did read this post, and I did giggle. I just thought I’d save that info ’til now, just in case nothing else was happening.
Aww thanks
Yeah, yeah… I was just trying to be funny. ;(
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But sure, I’ll let everyone who deserves it be called a moron. I’m not stingy.
I thought I was funny… “moronic morons”? Not even a giggle? *sigh* I guess I need some new material.
Heh… *sniffles as all the sad misunderstoodedness*
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There’s starting much of the Funny in this thread now.
Umm. Who stole my “to be”?
It’s the Word Elves the do to all time…
Oooh! A game of Guess the Missing Words?
I am guessing: bastards, it, me and … THE!
“Fool me once, shame on you, shame on, shame on me…”
I thought it was more “Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice … .. you can’t be fooled again”?
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lolol
God heavens, I’ve been watching muppet clips for an hour now. I’m supposed to get out of bed in about … 50 minutes. Damn. And now I have to watch this a few times to just … marvel.
Isn’t the quotation marks around “majority” even more valid for the first 4 years, what with the Florida debacle and everything?
Well.. yes. But after that “we” did it again.
Ah. I “see”.
…said the blind man
Don’t blame me, I voted for nader in the 04 *sigh* (My state was guaranteed to Kerry anyhow)
Wooooooooo-Hoooooooo!!! We made it!!! Good morning everyone! We’ve made it to the end of an error.
Thank you God!
God is a Square State Republican and you know it…
And beginning a new ERROR today.
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: someone with an original eddiep troll remover… please take care of this one.
I have this new taser I’d love to play with, shall I give it a whirl?
it’s not an eddiep… but it’ll do.
May all your Bush hating asses grow together and you all assplode! Hail to the half breed.
Oh how sweet, it’s an ignorant racist prick. Just curious, do you call your father Dad or Uncle?
Hush, you’re going to upset his Aunt Mom.
He’s his own Grandpa!
now THAT’S a nifty trick
I call him Uncle Dad!
I can only assume that will be your last post befre we see you on TV shooting at the President… racist scum…
Ahhh, refreshing racism from the Dick.
I would like to call you an a$$hole, but you are not that competent…therefore, Cheney Dick, you are an a$$half. Please go check the stops on your double-wide so it doesn’t roll downhill into the landfill again. By the way, there’s a line forming in the drive-through, so you’d better get off the computer and get back to making french fries…
“May all your asses grow together”
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I’ve gotta give the man credit where it’s due — that’s an original curse.
Did he mean individually or collectively?
Maybe all of our asses should grow together, and then we could toast marshmallows around a campfire and sing “Kum-Ba-Yah”.
*puts on love beads*
but (__) looks dumb…
Would it be more like:
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( | )( | )( | ) etc.?
We could all be like a little arse necklace.
Obama: CAUSE I DON’T WANT ASS MARKS ON MY NEW DOORS!!!!!!
Haha..Futurama FTW.
BWAHAHAHA! Ya beat me to it.
Real classy.
See below…
ok, note to all americans. please start writng the date the way the rest of the world does. with the day first and month second. its terribly confusing.
do you know hoe long it took us to realize you were morning september 11th, not november the 7th
Surely, with your laser-like focus on proper writing, you meant to type “mourning?” And perhaps some capitalization, where appropriate, would not be too much effort?
Glass houses and stones, mousey.
Not “the rest of the world”. We write it year-month-day, so “meh”, “pfft” and “bah” at your rest of the world. :/
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(9/11 is November ninth.)
you write ANSI-Dates?
I looked it up earlier, and yes, the way we’re using seems to be the same as international standard ISO 8601 recommends. Today is 2009-01-20 in my book.
Just for clarity: I didn’t have to look it up to see how I would write dates, I looked it up to see how many other places do it like we do. ;P
I remember that day, too. Only, not as well.
“The rest of the world”? Hardly. We write it year-month-day, so “meh”, “pfft” and “bah” at your rest of the world. :/
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(Also, 9/11 is November ninth. *sigh*)
Right. Double post due to computer oddness. Apologies for that.
Or, are you referring only to the month-and-day version of writing a date? Then I agree that day should come before month, but then it doesn’t make sense in regards to this lol, nor to the “nov 7th”-comment.
Confusion.
I has it.
Hahahaha you caught it before I could get to it. The “rest of the world” is as stupid as “us” if they thought it was November 7th.. Or does the “rest of the world” omit some days? Who knows. Hysterical
Not only will we not do that, we’ll NEVER go metric either!!!!
NO, it’s on the slippery slope to becoming SOCIALEST!!!
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Am I confusing threads again?
“NO, it’s on the slippery slope to becoming SOCIALEST!!!”
Nah, you can use that tagline on any of my posts really
The “socialest” bit? GRATE, will do when the need arises.
We’ll just hang out here in metric limbo, and use both.
Because a 2×4 would be entirely different in the metric system.
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the old imperial system is a mix of base 8, 12 and 16
so, 2×4
Base 8 = 10
Base 12 = 8
Base 16 = 8
You’ve got elements of base 3 as well with the number of feet in a yard.
As well as other things I cannot recall
and the number of feet in a fathom gives us base 6…
Then the Avoisdupois and Troy systems add further basal horrors in there…
can always do binary 0’s and 1’s, hex 1-9 and a-f.
And that would be relevant to the imperial system how?
Was not commenting on the imperial system, I was commenting on base in the numbering system. Metric is base 10. Binary is base 2. Hex is base 16. And We The US of A are just messed up. We have feet – base 12. Yards – 3 feet?. Miles – can’t remember. The Brits and other parts of the world do base ten and stick to it.
Well, yes. You are messed up. ;P
2 x 4’s aren’t even 2.0″ x 4.0″
I bet they’re a lot closer to 10cm by 5cm.
Naw, other way around. They’re more like 1.5×3.5.
Which adds another layer of oddity onto it.
Decimal portions of feet. wtf.
Well the traditional way of saying it (correctly) is 1+1⁄2 in × 3+1⁄2 in
Some of that is because they’re rough-cut to 2″x4″ size and then planed and they shrink some when they dry up. Probably not all of it; they’re probably cheaping out on us…
Metric makes physics easier… but please, stick to a standard invented by the Romans and refined into incomprehensibility by the British… I know your love of all things that harken back to the Colony, and you miss our beneficent rule…
You’ve got it all wrong… we’re just ever at the mercy of madmen named “George”.
Yeah- we really want “Charles in Charge”!
Not quite the rest of the world, but close enough in my book.
See name for world map with more
That map seems wrong to me. :/
Referring to official/standard usage, it looks about right to me.
Well, probably pretty close. Sweden should be the same colour as China though, we don’t use the dd/mm/yyyy notation. Well, we have to have it on food stuffs (thanks for that, lovely EU-idiocy), so I suppose in that respect it’s correct too. Damnit. ;P
You’re absolutely right. While we’re at it, everyone should speak Mandarin.
If we’re gonna go by majorities this could get very, very stupid.
I get confused no matter what; so I still write dates “the old-fashioned way” (ie,
20 Jan 2009) unless forced to do the numerical thing by forms, which then tell me where the day, month and year go.
I DO IT!
LoL ofc, until we hit the thirteenth, i write, (for example) 12th Jan. Idk why everyone else writes it that way, or why we have to be different (as always) :-p
whether or not you agree with everything he did, he was still the president of the united states.
obviously he is not a “moron” as you say, otherwise he would not have been elected twice.
and think of this, the united states was bombed on home soil. that is the first time that has EVER happened in the history of the United States.
how would you’ve reacted?
he had a hard presidency,
have some compassion.
he is not this “moron” that your speaking of.
generally democrats speak for tolerance, and acceptance.
take your own advice.
and i hope your happy with your new president, and his wife who is “finally happy to be an American.”
If you’re American, he’s your new president too…
He’s not my president any more than George was yours and I will treat him with the same respect you have shown Bush.
In other words–FLAME ON !
Still not got enough originality to find your own name, just some poor we troll I nailed to wall once…
Still whining… like the spoiled, stupid child you always were…
You know, while being completely wrong there’s a lot of merit to this statement
obviously he is not a “moron” as you say, otherwise he would not have been elected twice.
How does being elected twice make him not being a moron obvious?
Pearl Harbor, anyone?
9/11 was the first time we were bombed on home soil? Wow, someone alert Pearl Harbor, they’re gonna want to know about this!
He had a hard presidency because it’s a hard job and he was completely unprepared, and truth be told, just not up to the job.
Also, you would have us show compassion for one utterly devoid of it? The man who made “America” synonymous with “torture?” No, I think not. If you’re so enamored of him, you can have him. At least until the war crimes tribunals begin.
Also not forgetting the unmanned balloon bombs from Japan later in WWII, the WTC car bomb in 1993 (as mentioned above), and a number of wars in the 19th century (1812, civil war and more).
We did tolerate and accept it. For 8 years. If we were not tolerating and accepting, he would have been impeached. There will always be people who bitch about something whether it be the president or their governor or their boss. Everyone has their own opinions on “how things should be ran”. Still doesn’t change the fact that he has blundered the U.S. into a pretty sorry state domestically and foreign-ly.
Historically, when there is a war, the U.S. is hesitant to switch presidents. I’m not saying it hasn’t happened, just that we don’t like switching the guy who started it in the first place.
And you’re an idiot. How do you forget Pearl Harbour? I mean, it gets “remembered” every year, much like 9/11 will. Also, maybe you should have added the caveat “by a foreign nation” or something like that.. Oklahoma City anyone? I believe that bombing was on U.S. soil.. It was just committed by an American so I guess it’s not as bad? Domestic terrorism is better than foreign? @@
I’ll take domestic terrorsim for $500 please.
He was elected twice because of the whole “you can’t leave me in the middle of a war” gimmick, and everyone, myself included, were gullible enough to believe him when he said it would be over soon.
I wasn’t gullible enough to buy his rhetoric to begin with but thank you very much for owning up to why this moron was voted in for a second term. I always wondered.
*me raises a hand*
To gain favor with neo-con religious fanatics that comprised my entire family.
Yeah, just shoot me now, it’s OK.
No he was elected twice becuase Kerry sucked balls
I don’t see that being the President of anywhere means much other than you fooled enough rubes (or in some countries, took the main TV station by force of arms and held it) to get there… He’s not earned any respect from me, so the man’s a moron…
Actually, I think the White House being burned and Washington razed during the War of 1812, might also qualify as being bombed on our home soil.
And apparently, you “real Americans” have reached such a level of bias and hatred that you don’t consider a Democratic president as “your president.” I ask you, who’s the unAmerican one now?
Erm, I’m English, so none of that applies to me… he’s not ‘My’ anything…
I think the nesting went wrong. Fastfood’s post works perfectly as a response to Ashleigh
Possibly…
“obviously he is not a “moron” as you say, otherwise he would not have been elected twice.
and think of this, the united states was bombed on home soil. that is the first time that has EVER happened in the history of the United States.
how would you’ve reacted?”
Your errors-to-total-words ratio is astonishingly high. It’s quite an accomplishment to be wrong that much. I’m not at all surprised that you’re a fan of Bush.
The United States is, in fact, too good for you people. Fortunately now the adults are back in charge.
Also, uh, wasn’t there a bombing in Atlanta during the Olympics? That’s in the U.S., right? Ohhh.. again.. not foreign terrorism. @@
How about Oklahoma City? Oh, wait…we don’t count home-grown terrorists, do we?
Yeah I pointed that out above, but glad to know someone follows my train of thought.
Lol! I got you, charro. I was pointing to the OP. Darn this nesting system!!!
On the other hand, it is good to know that there is one other person on my line.
The smiley face bomber was right in that mix. Luke (can’t recall his last name)…I went to UW-Stout with the kid, he seemed pretty nice up until he disappeared and started blowing up mail-boxes with pipe bombs.
Lucas Helder, and, well, he’s just an excitable boy.
history fail?
i was using the term “your” to describe the democrat’s party candidate.
he is my president, and though i do not believe with anything, or even one thing, he says i will not have the audacity to call him a “moron.”
um…. freedom of speech?
you can call him whatever you want, as long as it’s true…
If you really don’t think he’s a moron, click on my name k?
I clicked.
My brain exploded.
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freedom of speech understanding, fail.
That’s good, since Obama is obviously quite intelligent. Bush, on the other hand, proves he’s an idiot every time he opens his mouth. It’s not a matter of audacity, it’s just a matter of calling things by their proper names.
Or people. Calling people by their proper names helps too.
Rather than the ‘Obamessiah’, or variations thereon, you mean?
Bush is a poopyhead!
Oh yay, I got my own stalker!! I’d like to thank the academy, my parents, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster, ramen.
… my Blake, my Blake incarcerated, and for London!
I foresee a future where there will be no need to call George W Bush a moron, because “George W Bush” or “Dubya” will mean just that.
I see Dubya becoming a new playground insult…
Now, if you can extend that to your seemingly religious faith in the other sides, you’d maybe be a functional human being
BTW, how does implying the new President is a liar is a morally superior attitude to calling him a moron, you’re not just a hypocrite, but a mealy mouthed one who can’t spit out what they mean…
Nice try to spin your way out of it.
pearl harbor: 2117 deaths (army and navy)
worldwar2history.info/Pearl-Harbor/
september 11th: 2,974 (civilians)
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/10/29/wtc.death
which one would you say would come as more of a shock to YOU?
“More of a shock” does not equal “first.” I begin to see why you don’t consider Bush a moron.
The question of which one is more shocking is a completely different thing than saying that Sept. 11th was the first time the US was attacked.
However, we’re not talking about what was more shocking…
9/11 was a tragedy, one of the saddest days in history, when the world supported us and felt sympathy for us and wanted to help us in the war against terror.
The way the aftermath of 9/11 was handled was completely moronic… when did the war on terror get linked with Iraq? and more importantly why? how did we take that sympathy and support and turned it into pure hate?
LIES… that’s how
Ashleigh, you’re simply on the wrong side here, and you’re not going to succeed in dodging that fact. You’re supporting Bush, who is, in fact, a moron, and not much of an American, and in doing so, you’re painting yourself as not much of an American either. You made a complete ass of yourself when you claimed that 9/11 was the first time that U.S. soil was bombed, and in process revealed that your support of Bush is based in jingoism and remarkable ignorance.
Here’s the best advice you’re going to get: stop trying to defend yourself and stop trying to defend Bush. You’re totally unqualified to do either. Go back to watching Brittany Spears or Paris Hilton or whatever little teen idol you Bushies get all excited about these days, and leave politics to the adults.
broad brush much? call ashleigh an ignorant fool, i’m all for it. but putting everyone who supports bush in the same category as her – fail on your part. and i believe an asskicking from froo is not too far behind…
Frou should have known better, but then she has Republicanism like the Phelps have Christianity… it’s pretty blind faith, no matter how monstrous it gets…
i was more remarking that paul broad brushed all republican supporters as being amused by the likes of brittany and paris. he also stated that supporting bush (who is “not much of an american”) would make you not much of an american as well. when someone says blatantly stupid things like that, frou usually gets her feathers ruffled. and as she’s more die-hard right wing than i am (i support them occasionally) i figured an asskicking from her would be coming once she read the dreck that paul felt he needed to share.
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also, paul feels that bush is a moron. i’m gonna go ahead and disagree based on semantics… by definition a moron is “a person of borderline intelligence in a former classification of mental retardation, having an intelligence quotient of 50 to 69″. no matter how much you dislike bush, he’s definitely got an IQ above that range. he says stupid things, he does dumb things… but if he honestly had an IQ in that range someone would be changing his diapers and wiping the drool off his face. i think we can all agree he doesn’t have those symptoms yet… give him a few years. i’ll grant that he’s not well liked, he’s acted inappropriately, he’s not a genius… but as for sheer semantics, he’s not a moron.
I stand by my comment…
right, i forgot. you think frou is a mental deficient.
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i don’t agree with her very often, but can at least admit that she’s an intelligent woman who knows why she believes what she believes. whether you agree with why she does or not…
*feels dragged into a conversation she had no part of*
What?
If you missed it – another Obama lol…
sorry… *hangs head*
paul was broad brushing all bush supporters as those with so few brain cells as to find brittany and paris the height of entertainment. he also inferred that those who supported bush were “not much of an american”. i figured with that sort of vitriol you’d eventually come out and give him a good smack down. i mentioned your name, UF started to get cranky about your views (as he does).
*goes and stands in corner*
it was my fault, i dragged you in
No, I’ve revised that opinion… She has some very firmly held belief, which in her version of reality are quite right and proper, and to me are articles of faith and dogma…
I look at it this way… Einstein had the Unified Field, Frou has faith in the Republican Party. We’re all entitled to be wrong. Einstein’s one was a bit more serious than Frou’s Me, I don’t even have faith in the Monster Raving Looney Party (although they’ve had a good number of their core policies enacted – universal suffrage for 18 year olds was their flagship… and that passed 1970) they have no desire to rule, simply to show the insanity of most political systems.
and yes, it’s from Monty Python, but it phased into the real world…
Whoa, hang on, I’ve never expressed faith in the Republican party. I’ve expressed faith in the Conservative way of doing things, and I stick up for the Republican party because there is no one here who will do it, but I am in no way and apologist. The Republican party of the last (at least) 4 years can kiss my pasty ass. I want the party that used to be there, the one of reform, less government, and fiscal responsibility. This horsesh!t party we have now is idiotic at best, damaging at worst, and completely on par with everyone else in Washington.
See… this is why I revised my opinion of Frou…
and it may be pasty, but it’s delightfully pert…
In a perhaps futile attempt to defuse:
Frou, I find that statement reflective of good honest consideration, and if my comment was read as suggesting that someone like you must be a Paris Hilton fan, I apologize for not being more clear.
I’d be more than happy to point out that the Democrats – and the liberals – have their own serious problems, most notably a counterproductive obsession with race and gender. I’d love an alternative that avoided both that and the Republicans’ apparent eagerness to establish an American Taliban state. I have a feeling you’d be with me on that.
I’m also pretty certain that you see the same world of difference that I see between your statement and the blabbering that Ashley has been doing.
Ashley is falling into the same trap that a lot of Republicans fall into when debating in this type of forum. She may have some good points, she may even be an intelligent person IRL, but she is using a tactic that will get her nailed to the wall in any debate: She’s taking the opinion of another person and using it as her own. In this case, she’s taking talking points from Rush Limbaugh, which are OPINIONS based on his interpretation of a news story, and positing them as her own. That’s a really good way to get pwned in an argument, especially around people who believe that Rush is Satan’s older brother with the intelligence of a raw tomato.
It irritates the sh!t out of me when I see a direct quote from Rush on this site. There is nothing wrong from taking what he says and using it to form your own opinion, but FORM YOUR OWN DAMN OPINION, people!!!
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Conservatives and Liberals alike need to remember that in order to remain credible in an argument, you can’t invoke people who polarize, nor can you quote those people as your own. There are too many others in open forums (like me) who listen to these people and can call you on quoting them
And yes, Paul, she was blathering. I dont know if I mentioned that
” but putting everyone who supports bush in the same category as her – fail on your part”
Either you nested this wrong or you’re seeing things. It looks as though you meant it to be a response to my comment, which, in fact, did no such thing.
maybe we misunderestimated him
are we talking about our liberties now?
how about you having the liberty to your 401K?
how about my parents, and my, liberty to raise my children they way i want to?
how about my liberty, and my mothers, to be a housewife?
what did bush do?
yes he the bank bail out was stupid, and hurt our economy more than it helped.
but i do not think that taking all of the citizens hard earned money and giving it to the “under fortunate” is going to fix us all.
but back to the point i was trying to make the whole time:
calling a president of the country you live in, is the largest point of rude, and simply ignorant.
disagree with him, i do sometimes also.
but do not in anyway think you could have handled the situation better/differently, and still have people support you.
ok… you’re not making any sense…. sorry…
Ye Godz People…..the DEMOCRATS pushed for the bailout with Paulson (who’s only allegiance is to his banking buddies). The Reps stood in the way for a minute until their buddies got covered in the bill too and then all of the House and Senate rolled over and played dead.
It’s BOTH of them, why is it so damn hard for you guys to get this? They don’t care about us, all they care about is maintaining power for their party. They, the politicians, are severely disconnected from reality on the Hill. Start there and the everything else that’s going on lately starts making sense.
“the everything else that’s going on lately starts making sense.”
Including where you choose to post? Was this really a response to Ashleigh? If so, I confess total incomprehension of the situation.
The Republicans have a long and noble history of overt whoring… and their only loyalty is to where they can make a stack of cash… Look at the way that you can’t buy anything made locally any more… All sides have screwed the American worker… mostly to the Chinese, who undercut by using unsafe methods and working conditions… however, that’s not your concern, since you seem to be as self absorbed as to only be bothered by where your next bullet is coming from (probably China)
You sir, are a belicose retard, whose grasp of politics is as facile as it it dangerous…
Strike the
I think I misread the sense of the whole post… my apologies to Battlecry… it is I who is the retard… I blame it on my advancing senility…
So many places to stick With a penis and In bed but I lack any motivation to do so. I only post this because I don’t want people to think I am missing these opportunities so much as I have stopped caring. At least for today.
“So many places to stick With a penis and In bed but I lack any motivation”
Well. Right here, right now, it would just be an unjustifiable waste of natural resources.
I’m sorry, what are you blathering on about?
“Liberty to my 401k”? What does that mean?
“…raise children the way I want to”?
“…liberty.. to be a housewife”? I thought the Women’s Suffrage Movement helped give us the liberty to be something besides a housewife if we so choose to be. That was loooong before Bush 1 OR 2 was in office.
Are you somehow implying that we have such liberties because of Bush? You are sorely mistaken child, if that is what you think. Bush may have thought he was “protecting our liberties from the terrorist scum” but he was taking the liberty of a sovereign nation away because he felt like it.
Also, PATRIOT Act anyone?
I think she thinks that ‘bare foot, pregnant, and in the kitchen’ is a freedom
Maybe Frou and OMG would like to try and explain 1 Tin 2 to her…
Actually the right to be something besides a house wife doesn’t stop there from being a right to be a housewife. Oddly enough, Lynn would love to work the household all day but we can’t afford to.
I find that a lot of people do strange things if they are just left alone to do them. So I am all for housewives as I was a househusband for a while. Wasn’t that bad though I wasn’t that great at it. But I don’t think that people so much have natural “places” as they give themselves roles.
Too many people look down on the housewife when there is no need to. If they made the choice, why give them crap for something that makes them happy? If they are forced, by all means, summon the cavalry and I’ll help with the charge. But if they aren’t, why begrudge them wanting to run a house.
Women’s Lib was about choice, let’s not begrudge choice just because we don’t chose it.
… And that came off a lot harsher than I intended. Apologies.
“Too many people look down on the housewife when there is no need to. If they made the choice, why give them crap for something that makes them happy?”
Hmm. Yes… Or no. Is anyone paying them for being housepeons?
“Choose to be”, DWN. “Choose to be”. If a woman wants to be a housewife, I find nothing wrong with it (or househusband). But the point of my post was to highlight the movement was to let us be something other than a housewife if we so “choose to be”.
Actually, the point of my post was to ask Ashleigh what the hell she meant by “liberty.. to be a housewife”. Bush didn’t give us that liberty, woman received the liberty to be able to be who they wanted LONG before either Bush was in office. Her original post is full of confusion and idiocy.
I still don’t get it.
Wow, that is some serious crazy right there. Someone has taken away your liberty to be a housewife? Why didn’t I get the memo??
What has Bush done? How about start two wars at the same time. Not many military forces can manage a cohesive response on multiple fronts. The last time we managed was in WWII (remember that Peral Harbor thing people have tried to educate you about?) and that was due to an overwhelming response by a nation racked in a depression.
Yeah, calling Bush a moron is a cheap shot, I agree. I steal from Jon Stewart: I don’t think Bush is stupid, but he treats us as if we were.
“Wow, that is some serious crazy right there. Someone has taken away your liberty to be a housewife? ”
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I suppose one could plausibly make the argument that no one has the *ability* to be a housewife (or, for that matter, househusband) because nobody can support a household on one paycheck anymore, but that’s not the same as having the *right*.
Well, you know, Tessie, when you run a meth lab in the laundry room to make ends meet around the house, eventually the government will take away your ability to be a housewife.
Ashleigh wrote:
“but back to the point i was trying to make the whole time:
calling a president of the country you live in, is the largest point of rude, and simply ignorant.”
You’re really good at packing errors into your rants, aren’t you?
Kid, you might want to shut up before you dig yourself even deeper into that hole you’re in. You’re confirming our stereotypes about Bush supporters.
you missed she called the incoming a president a liar…
Awww, I enjoyed it. This was some of the fastest, most efficient digging I’ve seen in ages. With friends like that, reps don’t need eniemies. Or enemas. Or whatever I am thinking of.
I highly object to this caption.
This is a terrible insult to the White House doors.
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LOL!
Ashleigh is only proving that an idiot got elected twice because apparently a lot of idiots voted for him the 2nd time….
George W. Bush: The worst president in American history.
as much as i don’t agree with things he’s said and done… history will most likely show him as being pretty average.
the main thing pulling for him is that he did a lot with healthcare – as a republican he’s supposed to “not care” about healthcare but some of the policies he put in place were incredibly effective and saved millions of lives (money sent to AIDS and malaria help in africa) and saved the elderly millions of dollars (medicare prescription plan).
the war is obviously a huge black spot on his record… but in 5 or 10 years when we reflect back he probably won’t be considered “worst” anymore. definitely not good. see the [LINK] to a gallup poll stating that he is pretty middle of the road approval wise even right now (#7 of the 11 presidents since WWII).
No- that would be either Johnson or Carter.
Agreed.
James Buchanan
Wait, Lyndon or Andrew?
I wonder how long before Obama gets one just like this..
Obama will never be as universally hated and ridiculed at home and abroad as Bush.
i’m guessing there are some parts of america where he is hated MUCH more than bush could EVER be simply because of his father’s race.
and then once he takes office, no matter what he does he’ll alienate a portion of the population… by the end of his term(s) he’ll have a lot of people who don’t like him. and depending on how nicely he plays overseas he could end up sharing approval ratings with bush.
never say never…. didn’t disney teach you anything?
How about he’s hated because people see what an empty suit he is. The Democrat-Chicago politicos have their arm running up his ass like a puppet and he’ll say and do exactly what they want since they put him there.
If he were 100% white, he never would have been elected.
Ah, then you have to go play the Race card… like the tired old Republican idiot we all know you are, whine some more so we can mock you…
You two are like Tracey and Hepburn…
That’s right… encourage him…
Hey, I was giving you Spencer’s role…
do me a favor: go away until you’re able to provide an intelligent counterpoint to any.
*anyone
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dammit, that’s what i get for not proof reading.
Proof reading is out of style. Honestly.
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(NO, I am NOT tryong to make this the latest Truth just because I misspell/typo too often. No. Mope, sirreeeeee…)
“If he were 100% white, he never would have been elected.”
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Right, because NO one in this country could possibly have voted AGAINST him because he’s black.
i promise you my paternal grandfather did exactly that. racist bastard that he is.
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my ties to that side of the family are tenuous, at best.
Er, Tessie was being sarcastic, and managed it brilliantly.
In fact pretty much everyone I know secretly admitted to me over the past few months that they have racist relatives who voted against Obama simply because he’s black.
Me, I couldn’t give a shit what color he is as long as he isn’t stupid enough to think that “stick by your principles regardless of the evidence” is some kind of high-minded and productive creed. That’s all I ask: a President smart enough to change his mind when he’s wrong.
i knew she was being sarcastic. the caustic tone of my post obviously didn’t come through properly to show that i’m agreeing with her.
You’re sweet, but that was definitely reading
comprehension fail on Paul.
Eh, some of my older relatives grew up in a different era and haven’t really changed their thinking since then, so I know what you mean, but my comment ws intended as sarcasm.
Note to self: Fix sarcasm indicator.
i knew you were being sarcastic. i should have worded differently to show that i was agreeing with you more than “trying to prove a point”. dads side of the faily are all racist fcuks. my response was along the lines of gallows humor. not ACTUALLY funny but the kind that makes you laugh and then go “i hate life”.
OK. It’s a mathematical puzzle to me how EVERYbody has crazy relatives ( I mean, wouldn’t you think the sane people would have to be related to someone?), but I’ve personally observed it to be true.
Now let’s all take a deep, cleansing breath, and then relax with some nice, non-racist Tanqueray martinis.
About 3 and a half years, max…
but as much as there was wrong with the government, the democrats and people who hate bush give him a lot of credit. he went into war with afghanistan and iraq with no approval and by himself? i forgot the president could do that. congress has more blame than Bush here. the wars were voted majority by congress along with other things. Bush is the figurehead in the government thats why he is getting blamed. i am a moderate and i think it will be nice for a change of scenery but it is awfully ignorant to blame solely Bush. congress should have way more blame.
Oh, congress should be nailed to trees… apart from Denny the Hose… he’s the only one who voted against consistently…
if you’re talking about kucinich, we call him dennis the menace. it’s stuck around from when he was mayor of cleveland and bankrupted the city. he’s grown up a bit since then but he’s still dennis the menace…
Going by his wife, I think he muse be swinging some hose…
*barf*
didn’t need that sort of image about dennis the menace. he’s such a strange little man…
Hot… Wife… ok, she seems to have a taste for jockeys… but she’s hot…
[LINK] Here’s some eye candy for you, Unc.
Wow, that is hot…
I agree with AbsolutMoose… Bush got blamed for a lot of issues that were largely in the hands of others. BTW, the democrats controlled the senate from 2007 on but from 2004 to current had the largest number of missed votes. They have no right to complain about the outcome if they don’t go to vote. I did not vote for Bush in the last election, but as long as he is still president (for the next hour), I’ll support him out of respect for the office. I’d also like to point out that while I did not support Obama during the election, he will be my president and as such, will have my respect whilst he is in office. That’s more than I can say for the liberal media. I think if more people spent time looking at the actions of the media, the lower level politicians, and themselves, they will find the real answers of who is to blame for the current situation. Look at those who bought homes outside their means, the gas companies who gouge us at the pumps when people couldn’t afford to drive to work, and the media who would rather point fingers at the person who is easy to hate rather than reporting the truth. Lastly look at the government who won’t allow us to pray in public outside of a church, but is more than willing to let picketers interrupt a funeral of a fallen soldier and plant Bush hate signs around the cemetery where his mother is trying to grieve.
I did not vote for Bush in the last election, but as long as he is still president (for the next hour), I’ll support him out of respect for the office. I’d also like to point out that while I did not support Obama during the election, he will be my president and as such, will have my respect whilst he is in office.
Really? Why should there be respect for the office? I really don’t get this idea at all. What would be the gain in automatic respect for an office (the person currently holding it)?
I repeat… what respect for the office?
Oh and those picketers are the same people who’d like prayer in public… and unless the guys in my link are all checking their flies, you DO have public prayer…
The sooner your kind of god bothering loons are consigned to a foot note of history, the better of our species will be… God’s teeth, I hate the whines of people who claim to be a persecuted majority… NEWSFLASH – The only persecution that Christians have had in the Western World since Diocletian has been at the hands of other Christians…
Newsflash- you can still buy Christian slaves in Africa. Try reading up on Christians in China, etc…But then, you’d have to actually read something.
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“The problem with Liberals is that they firmly believe things that never were!”
Ronald Reagan
You can say the same thing about The Nation of Islam… they seem blissfully unaware of the key role Islamic states played in the Trade to the US and Europe, so much that the EUropeans put up with the Ottomans taking slaves from Belguim, France, Cornwall, Wales, Scotland, the remoter parts of Jutland and Iceland…not that you’d care you racist piece of dreck…
As to believing things that never were… that’s a rich quote from the man who called uniforms “costumes”, mused about alien invasion, and thought a Jewish Zombie was his friend…
‘Newsflash- you can still buy Christian slaves in Africa. ‘
Citation, please. Real one – no blogs or christian rant pages.
…and don’t just set up an ebay listing and post it.
is there a reserve price? having someone to clean my room and do my laundry for me might be worth 19.99 plus 8.99 S&H.
I think it’s the international shipping that gets pricey, unless you use your frequent flier miles as part of the purchase price. Also, with my luck I’d get one as lazy as I am.
hmm, well we don’t have to get fedex overnight shipping. i mean those christians can fold up pretty small and take the slow boat from china, right? i mean i can probably get one shipped for 8.99. it’s like ordering flowers you just have to kee them moist…
Ooh, good point. Think if we both order together we can save on shipping anyway?
um yeah. first one shipping is 8.99, only 3.00 for each additional item!
One of my antecedents, a missionary no less, broke the back of the Islamic slave trade in 1903 in the Sudan, and damaged it badly enough to shut it down, partially, until 1910. His church had told him to ’stayout of it’ and the colonial authorities denied it was happening. Bridge too far. He spent two days across hard desert, and broke out, under cover of darkness, he broke 24 slaves out of the compound. Then spent three days, with chained slaves, dodging irate arabs and moors, to get them back to prove the point.
Cost him his posting, but he did gain a ’son’ since he adopted the youngest boy., since his parents were killed in the slaver’s raid. One of the redeeming
features of the case… I’m related by marriage to the first black guy in the town of my birth.
Moral: Piss of the Methodist church, get your arse nailed, even if you did it doing the right thing…
It wouldn’t surprise me to know it still goes on…
Hey, AntiFester, just so you know, to be anti-anything you have to first be equal and opposite to. You’re opposite Fester, but in no way his equal. He far outshines you in both intelligence, ability to make a point, and being informed on the topic. When you are out of your pull-ups and can attempt to play with the big boys, you can call yourself Anti-Whatever you want to and join the debate like a big boy. Until then, get your pull-ups out of a wad and actually study before you try to make a point.
but can diss and i still get christian slaves on ebay from africa?
If you’re willing to pay shipping and handling, and have an active PayPal account. But we only ship female slaves on Tuesdays.
so i’m in luck today!
Did you check and make sure they can iron?
and fold… pointless if they can’t fold
This is why I have Thai house slaves…
the african ones don’t iron and fold?! crap! what’s the return policy? 30 days if still in the original packaging?
*cocoons defecting non-folding slave in bubble wrap*
I think it’s 30 days as long as it’s not been abused or damaged.
Oh, wait –
*adds airhole to the bubble wrap*
Should be good to go now!
I so wish for an edit function, although “defecting” is maybe funnier than “defective” anyway….
i giggled at defecting even though i knew you meant defective. either one works though!
You can bloody well buy Christian slaves in just about any country for the right amount of cash. And?
“the same people who’d like prayer in public… and unless the guys in my link are all checking their flies, you DO have public prayer…”
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That’s a deliberate misspeak on their part. They don’t want public prayer so much as they want public enforcement of THEIR prayers on the rest of us.
“won’t allow us to pray in public outside ov a church”
when did That happen? maybe you don’t live in the south, boy, but you see that crap all the time…or maybe the entire downtown ov the city where i live is considered a church, considering how bleeding large first baptist is…
about…..120 days… Ghost…
Ummm congress never declared war.
Oh I guess you’ve never heard of the “Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002.”
The US hasn’t declared war for about 60 years.
Numerous ’states of emergency’ though…
What? Oh, that!
We call them “Utah,” “Idaho” and “Alaska” now…
not the same as a declaration of war.
Semantics. War is an ugly word, we’ll call it “Operation Iraqis Freedom” that way it sounds all warm, fuzzy, and positive!
Soldiers – check, Guns – check, Bombs – check, Combat – check, casualties – Check.
That sounds like War to me!
So Bush went into Afghanistan and Iraq by himself? Congress voted to invade both of those countries. There were few senators who voted against this, Obama being one of them. There was 3 i believe who voted against this. So tell me sketch, U.S. is built on the check and balance system of using a house of reps and the senate. And both voted in favor of these. You should probably go back to middle school history and study up. I am glad to have a new prez but the Bush blaming can only go so far. The congress is also at fault as well. Can you honestly say you would’ve handled 9/11 better? I think he handled that as well as he could. But as a moderate, I hope Obama can right the ship called our economy. This deficit was created by the war, that is correct. But the congress can pass taxes even if the prez vetos it. Bush said he would not raise taxes and he didn’t. If anything, you have to admire him for sticking to his guns and holding on to his promise. Was it the best choice in a war? Absolutely not. If anything, Republicans and Democrats should not be fighting and arguing about petty things like the media glorifying Obama or this or that. Both parties need to work together to fix our great nation, the United States of America. One man can’t do anything by himself. Obama needs cooperation from both parties to truly fix this nation.
Where is the funny in this? Answer: there is none. It’s just an ad hominem attack. These are really getting old from BOTH sides. This site is supposed to be about lulz.
I think there’s a level of earned opprobrium for Bush II…
And I’ve said before, so I’m adding spice to my conversation by quoting myself, that satire doesn’t have to be ‘funny’…
And as a general comment, that’s a terribly Beavis and Butthead thing to say…
Exactly! PT has a few good LOLS but most are just making political statements and/or worshiping Obama.
Oh, take the offended cant and go lick your butt hurt while cleaning your firearm collection…
my butt doesn’t hurt nor do I have a firearm collection. Why would you want me to, anyway? Do you have a really odd fetish that involves polishing firearms and licking?
and you call yourself a right winger… pfft!
It’s all about folks having butt sex being a sin and the right to carry to church…
I’m not sure what you mean by that.. carry what to church? Firearms?
I didn’t mean your child…
Still not getting it. Is that supposed to be some insult, saying that I’m a mother?
He is making jokes about stereotypical republicans. Recall what Obama, quite rudely and correctly, said about some people “clinging to guns a religion”.
sorry “guns and religion”
That’s what I assumed but I wasn’t sure.
I could tell… but I expect nothing better from the bulk of humanity, so I’m not even disappointed…
English boy still butthurt over the asswhipping your army got in New Orleans in 1814? The worst defeat ever in the English army’s history? (Mind you, it’s still a dangerous place for anyone)
Fester is that to say that you think we shouldn’t be allowed to own firearms?
That is my biggest disagreement with liberals…I don’t understand how they can be willing to give up my right to own a gun. An armed public deters tyranny. Not only that, as proven with hundreds of other cases, making guns illegal won’t prevent gun violence. Criminals will still find a way to get guns, you only take away the rights of law abiding gun owners.
I don’t own any guns because I don’t enjoy hunting, but I value my rights, and if I see any movement that could potentially take away my right to own a gun, I’ll be first in line at the gun counter at Gander Mountain.
Yah. Guns don’t kill people.
.
It’s the bullets what do it. :p
Taking away guns doesn’t eliminate gun violence, but it does significantly reduce it.
“That is my biggest disagreement with liberals…I don’t understand how they can be willing to give up my right to own a gun.”
Fact fail.
I’m a liberal and a gun owner. Most liberals
agree with gun *control* measures, not
prying weapons out of cold, dead hands
(as tempting as that may be, for other
reasons).
Evidently you have been drinking some
“Obama’s gonna take our guns away”
Kool-Aid. Stop drinking that stuff: It rots
your brain.
Correction; most American liberals…
Thanks for that. My bad.
@Steve
No, I’m all for an informed, trained, and responsible civil ownership of guns… note the words ‘informed’, ‘trained’, and ‘responsible’ there? You want to cary… great. GET TRAINED, KEEP TRAINED, CARRY SAFE.
90 odd percent of gun crime is commited with STOLEN registered weapons… to me, that ain’t ‘responsible’ ownership.
If you can’t keep your guns where some rat faced cretin can’t steal it, then you don’t have a ‘right’ to own one, you have duty NOT to own on…
How disrespectful and boring. Do the maker of the picture and the people who voted for it planning on having this much disrespect for our next President?
plan* ugh.
I hate when I do that.
Anyway, I also did this one:
http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=3010778
But no one liked it.
It’s not about respect or disrespect — though I may not be in the right position to judge that, really. It’s about the jokes.
If you (collectively) like it, like this one: win! If you don’t: well, it’s still a win for me because I managed to get my snark out.
IMHO, this particular one turned out to be a double win. I’m thrilled at all the discussion it’s garnered. Much of it seems really productive, too! Also, I was convinced that, despite my best efforts, this one tanked. So to log in today, after watching the swearing in (which was so beautiful, man) and see I had another hit after a long dry spell was really gratifying.
Here’s two more that show more care for the outgoing Prez, who did the best he could, even if that was WAY short of enough:
http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=3168515
http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=3168345
And thanks for the votes, everyone!
I hate when I do that.
Anyway, I also did this one:
mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=3010778
But no one liked it.
It’s not about respect or disrespect — though I may not be in the right position to judge that, really. It’s about the jokes.
If you (collectively) like it, like this one: win! If you don’t: well, it’s still a win for me because I managed to get my snark out.
IMHO, this particular one turned out to be a double win. I’m thrilled at all the discussion it’s garnered. Much of it seems really productive, too! Also, I was convinced that, despite my best efforts, this one tanked. So to log in today, after watching the swearing in (which was so beautiful, man) and see I had another hit after a long dry spell was really gratifying.
Here’s two more that show more care for the outgoing Prez, who did the best he could, even if that was WAY short of enough:
mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=3168515
mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=3168345
And thanks for the votes, everyone!
They hopefully do… Respect is earned, not a droit de seigneur … Jug ears ain’t done it yet…
“Do the maker of the picture and the people who voted for it planning on having this much disrespect for our next President?”
No, I’m sure they don’t.
Respect is earned. Republicans seem to have forgotten that.
I imagine that you’re completely unaware of the radical relativist assumption underlying your comment. I imagine it must be horrifying to have it pointed out that you’ve become a relativist. I’m glad I’m not one.
if respect is earned then would that mean that obama should be coming in disrespected and have to do something before people start saying he’s going to fix everything and claiming that america is finally getting something right? i mean, it’s not like there is an honest clean slate… people have already formed opinions one way or another. it’s obvious what your opinion of bush is/was. what if someone has a similar opinion of obama seeing as how he’s done nothing to earn respect yet?
*ducks behind flame shield because i know this won’t end nicely*
Isn’t there a middle neutral between respect and disrespect?
*waves hi from the no-man’s-land between respect & disrespect*
Watch out for the mines!
there should be… but when it comes to politics i think the lines are pretty much drawn in the sand and ne’er shall be crossed. at least for the most part.
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i wasn’t saying that i disrespect obama… i didn’t like his campaign, but other than that my opinion of him is rather “meh”. hasn’t done much at all in my opinion. but it just seems that everyone says respect has to be earned and then right off the bat they demand respect because it’s “not bush”. and yes, i’m broad brushing and using “they” too lightly. but it’s what i’ve been dealing with here in my office and all and it’s just getting to me.
*blinks, looks down hall*
You don’t work with me, do you?
But, yeah, I’m in a similar boat, I think. I certainly wish the man well, and hope he does a good job, but I’m not terribly excited about it.
if we worked together i’m sure it’d be a lot more fun than what i deal with daily!
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i was actually told that i should respect obama for being a black man and i should respect him because he’s not bush. firstly, he’s not black, he’s half black. if we’re to classify him as only black he wouldn’t have been able to run in the presidential election because he would have been an african. his white mother was the person who gave him his american citizenship. but i don’t care whether he’s black, white, or purple… i don’t have to respect anyone because of their race. and as for him needing respect because he’s not bush – guess who else isn’t?! saddam hussein. osama bin laden. jeffrey dahmer. the prostitute who works the corner on prospect. none of them deserve my respect either. if obama does good things, then yes, i’ll respect him. but the whole 180 from respect “must be earned” to you “must respect obama” ticks me off.
/rant
Hell, Dick Cheney’s not Bush either but that doesn’t mean I have to respect him… Duck and cover, yeah. On the other hand, we may have all kinds of new stuff to make fun of soon! (I hear somebody fumbled the oath…my money would have been on Biden, but go figure!)
who?! WHO!? tell meeeeeeeeee!
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my b!tch of an HR lady told us that no one was allowed to live stream the inauguration due to the fact that it was slowing down our servers. she actually got on the company PA system and told people that if they were running it IT would see it on their computer and shut it down. but then again, she’s also a b!tch about just about everything else too… shouldn’t have expected anything different today. i’m sure for her, it’s just another tuesday.
Can you youtube? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BJ6mjzXcqQ
It was Obama…although to be perfectly honest I think the majority of the blame for the fumbling goes to Roberts (who was administering the oath).
yes i can!……… moseys over to that youtube link.
oooooooooh, he flubbed it! but it was a mouthful. hmm, to endlessly bring up as a point of fun or to not? decisions, decisions….
Actually, the fact that his mother gave birth to him on U.S. soil makes him a citizen. The ethnicity of his parents is irrelevant.
i was more being snarky in that people are denying his white heritage in favor of the black heritage and in doing so are making him an african. they’re also making him a miracle seeing as how the way they’re going about things he didn’t have a mother (because he’s “all black” and admitting he had a mother would mean admitting he were half white as well), he was just all of a sudden *there*.
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yeah, i know… i work with nut jobs and as such they’ve made me take an absurd stance on things.
There’s a difference between genotype and
phenotype. Barack has chosen to call himself
“Black,” so that’s the correct term to use.
TOS,
You don’t have to respect Jug Ears… OK?
It’s fine
Really
i wasn’t particularly planning on it. but thank you SO MUCH for your approval to have my own damned opinion.
/sarcastic bitchiness
but it just seems that everyone says respect has to be earned and then right off the bat they demand respect because it’s “not bush”.
Really? That’s as silly as saying Bush should get respected just for having been president. :p
The office should command respect, the person should earn it. Or lose it, as in the case of Bush
The office should command respect only where it really should command respect! (Sorry if this seems a bit out of the blue, but earlier today I erroneously said I couldn’t at all understand the idea of respect for an office, which I realised later, in the shower, was over-simplifying things.)
yeah, i know…
Disreagrding your personal experience in your office, which I don’t feel authorized to form an opinion about, I think the “neither respected nor disrespected” area is just that, an area, in a lot of politics. US politics may be a bitt different though.
(Please, do not disrespect me for my typoes and my apparent lack of proper proof reading.
)
Look, I don’t think Jug Ears pisses Pinot Grigio and his farts smell of sandal wood… if other people want to respect him that’s there problem… I don’t see the problem with disrespecting Bush since
1) he done nothing to earn respect
2)he’s done a cartload to earn disrespect
ATM Jug ears has won. Woot! *waves a small flag*
THe ones whining about ‘the office of the President’ like it’s the Tomb of the Unknown soldier seem to think we can all forget the Obamatron comments, because they’re upset about the word ‘moron’… Well, tough… they wanted to through invective around then they can take it and like back now…
I ….actually……agree… with………..you……………gasp!
(explodes into large gamma ray burst as antimatter meets matter)
Get over it dirt ball… I laughed at the 666 comment
Boo hoo. He’ll never set foot in a court of law, or have to be accountable in any other way, shape, or form for lying us into war, trashing the global economy, torturing people, etc. etc. etc. If the only consequences he ever has to face is that of people quite accurately calling him a moron — and it looks as though that’s the case — I think he’s getting off pretty close to scott free.
If Obama sucks as bad as Bush wound up doing, yes.
signed,
An Obama supporter
Get out and take your big bucket of fail with you.
@whom?
Dubya
Ah, right… do carry on…
I thought it was a nesting problem since there are no so many howling loons complaining it’s disrespectful – somehow, making up stuff to claim that a man is a terrorist and shouting to hang him seems equally so… so their words are as a sounding brass…
This is the year when we will make and implement all the major long term decisions that are going to safeguard and equip Britain properly for the future.
We’re deporting Gordon Brown?
I’d rather have an entire cabinet of Gordon Brown’s running the country than let that slimey toad David “Dave” Cameron anywhere near the driving seat…
You have to wait for an election for that to happen though. If Brown was kicked alone, then you’d still get a Labour Prime Minister.
Why not let Clegg have a go? At least he’s man enough to admit publicly that he doesn’t believe in the invisible sky wizard.
We have a lot of those… it’s not that much of an issue here…
Yes, but in politics? I thought I had read an article in one of your rags as to how it was a bold move on Clegg’s part to declare atheism, and the he was the first leader of a major political party in the UK to have done so. Not true?
I’d sooner have a Jack Russell wearing a straw boater and a rosette with an image of Pitt the younger in the middle than the lot of them…
What Ho! I say bring back the Monarchy and let Ol’ Bonnie Prince Charles run things for awhile!
Which reminds me Fester- you’re English, have a foul mouth and quite the knowledge of military matters. Ergo, you must be……..PRINCE HARRY!!!!!OMG!
We have a monarchy, you idiot… that’s why there’s a Prince Harry…
You just can’t get proper trolls these days… they all have the iq of a fence post…
What do you have against fence posts, Unc? At least they
serve an actual purpose…
So do Liberals; I just can’t think of a purpose yet………
Rest. Don’t hurt your head, there, Dear…
In your mind, I think they’re called ‘target practice’… sociopath.
AND they have the sense and common decency to abstain from polluting web fora with gibberish.
Idiot.
Admit it- do you know ANYONE in Wales who honestly thinks Charles is the “Prince of Wales”?
Actually, yes.
without Charles they lose principality status… and thus cease to be a country, just a collection of shires with an odd dialect.
An odd dialect and an amazing amount of drinking, mind you!
“Pitt the younger”
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Lord Palmerston!!
Hey benide.
Fuc|< you.
and his idiot servant, Blarg…
Unlike Benide, I have the ability to remove myself from my job when necessary. As a military member, I respect my Command in Chief regardless of who he or she may be. I would never, EVER call a President a moron, as to do so is a disrespect of the highest degree. However, in the case of Benide, I feel no such obligation to respect him. As such, I simply met his level of crass in kind.
Ah right, another soldier… Should I be impressed that you’re in USMIL?
Word to the wise… I’m not. Know too many to impressed out of the bag…
And no you didn’t meet his crass in kind, you simply pissed down the leg of your uniform… but then, I expect you’re more concerned with seem patriotic than being an honour to the Uniform… dolt.
Piss down the leg of my uniform? Wow, the idiocy of that statement is astounding.
This image is not political, it’s not funny, and it’s not witty. It’s an unabashed attack against a man who ran this country. Regardless of whether you think he did a good job or not, he still ran it, he still made the hard decisions, and most importantly, HE STOOD BY THEM. And yes, I am a patriot, I support my country and my leader no matter what. I wish I could say the same for you…
You invoked your alleged status… you piss down your uniform leg telling a citzen to ‘go forth and multiply’… and you can posture all you like… you’re just a silly little boy, pulling rank on someone who doesn’t give a rats ass what you think…
And no, sonny, I’m no patriot, not by your standards. In the world as it is now, it’s a method of getting fools to lay down their life in the mistaken belief that their country of nativity has some cosmic significance, for some bit of rock that isn’t sovreign territory that means something to some politico’s sponsors or golfing buddy.
The Falklands was a reasonable war, since it was my country, my people.
To send people to a country that isn’t mine and claim it’s patriotic is selling snake oil by the gallon to fools. Go and fight, since that’s what you’re trained and paid for. Don’t tell me it’s patriotism, or for freedom… bull droppings.
Iraq isn’t glory. It’s one man’s adventure that got half the world involved in his madness… so, I regard your form of Patriotism as empty. You signed up to defend your country… no… you signed up to defend some rich SOB’s financial interests. That ain’t patriotism, it’s brand loyalty. and if you’re too dumb to work that out, I’m old enough and ugly enough to tell you…
And cussing out civilians just makes all in uniform look bad… so you’re pissing down your leg sonny… and it’s starting to smell bad…
Who told anyone to go forth and multiply? Your random jumps of logic confuse my petty little soldier’s brain.
I don’t say that defending politicians’ secret agenda’s is patriotism. I don’t say that making them look good for their golfing buddies is patriotism. I simply say that volunteering to put my life on the line, anywhere, any time, regardless of what its for, so that you don’t have to, is patriotism. Saying that I will defend my buddy’s life next to me with my own, and that he will do the same for me, is patriotism. But I wouldn’t expect a close minded cynic like you to understand something like that, so I won’t even bother to explain.
You’re nothing more than an amateur debater, trying to confuse people with drawn out posts reaching to random leaps of logic to make it sound like you know what you’re talking about. You may be able to win over Joe Schmoe with those tactics, but it won’t work with me.
You see? I can be entirely civil with my arguments and debating practices. I chose to use the profanity in “cussing out a civilian” only when benide chose to insult my former boss, a man who took an oath much like I did. And I would do the same for my current boss.
Ah, the ‘comrades in arms’ defence… yes, but that loyalty to the unit, not the country… idiot… I understand more than you know, soldier boy… but I’m wasting breath on someone who really did buy the whole recruiter’s cant’…
I remember being your age: It’s great being so much older and knowing with certitude so much… in time you’ll get less certain… but please, justify cussing out a civilian again and then saying being in the military gives you the ‘right to… I still say it smells of wee…
How do you know my definition of what makes a “patriot?” I simply said that I was a patriot, then gave you my personal definition. A quick google search defines patriot as “one who loves and defends his or her country.” So, by extension, loyalty to a unit would in turn allow me to defend my country, and therefore make me a patriot. But that’s just one way to be a patriot. You’re dealing in absolutes, Fester, whereas I’m allowing for many interpretations of the word. I never once, not a SINGLE time, stated that I know anything in certitude, but that was an admirable attempt at turning my words against me. Maybe next time you’ll make sure I’ve said them first, though. Once again, your debating practices are amateur at best. What, pray tell, is a “recruiter’s cant’?” I’ve never seen the word “can’t” spelled with the apostrophe outside the word, so this should be a good educational experience for me as well. As for the “right to” bit. Once again, I never said I had a right to use profanity, simply that I chose to after he insulted the President. I haven’t used my military position as justification for anything save being a patriot, and I established earlier in this post that that’s only one way of being a patriot. So, you’re going to have to make up something else to throw at me.
A quick Google search reveals that a “cant” is a tilt
or a slant.
That I know. I was referring to the exact statement
“the whole recruiter’s cant’…”
In which he types out cant’ as a word. I was questioning the meaning of the hanging apostrophe. Apparently, in Mr. Fester’s old age, his typing abilities are waning. Tragic.
Of course you were… Now, wrap your self in the flag again, retard.
Sorry, I don’t believe in disrespecting my flag that way. Nope, I only salute it and stand up when it passes.
Nice.
He called you a retard, which is highly unlikely from your responses. Howeveer, I guess disagreeing with him makes it so.
Liberals, they sure do like to say they are the party of tolerance, but as soon as you dare to disagree with them, oh boy, watch out.
I know how to get a picture on here. Get a picture of Bush and type “lol he is dumb”. Probably will be rated 5 as well.
Fact fail. Unc is not a “liberal,” full stop.
He has aggression issues with the
massively stupid, regardless of bent.
No, Alex, he presumed to wrap himself in the flag to insult someone he ’serves’ since they called the Temp that the person employed to administer the armed forces a ‘moron’… I’d say that was retarded, since he seems to have little idea of employment. If he’d told the guy ‘f*ck you’ and been a civilian I’d have just said they were an idiot. By claiming the ‘Soldier’ status gives him some pass to cuss out civillians who are their paymasters. So shove it you retard since you have no idea of the way the world works…
This usage of ‘cant’ is analagous to ’spiel’ or ‘rigmarole’. The way I know the term, it refers to jargon or lingo, such as the Thieves Cant, a secret language made up of slang and innuendo. While spoken in the common tongue, it holds no meaning for anyone overhearing it who does not also know the Thieves Cant.
I’d say I was in a battle of wits with an unarmed man… Hell, you seeming y don’t speak English.
Since you’re hard of thinking (wear the helmet, they give it for a reason… it won’t stop a bullet, but it makes slower impacts to the head less damaging)
‘Cant’ – To make whining pretensions to goodness; to talk with an affectation of religion, philanthropy, etc.; to practice hypocrisy; as, a canting fanatic.
with a shade of :
The use of religious phraseology without understanding or sincerity; empty, solemn speech, implying what is not felt; hypocrisy.
There, you learned something…
You sure do love that high horse, dont you?
Yes, you are good at spelling over the internet. Why dont you go back to the old folks home and impress all the grannies with your witty remarks on pundit kitchen
Alex, you really just keep digging… I handed you your arse, so suck it up… whining about it just proves my point more…
Use of the word Cant in the sense
followed by
Note: the wrapped in the flag while we play The Star-Spangled Banner bit didn’t actually come until after he’d been called an idiot…
I can still smell your stale urine, boy…
What exactly did I say that was hypocritical? I said that because of my military status, I wouldn’t insult the president. That’s not a justification of an action, that’s a justification of a non-action, or lack of action. Please, highlight where I was being a hypocrite.
“What, pray tell, is a “recruiter’s cant’?”
jfg it.
Hell, even I know, and English is my third language. Sheesh.
Not that I want to defend Blarg, but “cant” is
rarely, if ever, used (in UF’s sense) in the U.S.
I can’t help him being an idiot…
Yes you can. Just requires a passport and a small supply of munitions…
@rho
Yeah. I was a bit antagonistic generally when I posted that, and there really was a wayward apostrophe there, and … Yeah, I’ll try to act nicer.
Ran it into the ground. Killed thousands of your brother and sister soldiers doing it, and smeared excrement all over your uniform by making it synonymous with torture. Hoo-ah.
“I support my country and my leader no matter what. ”
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That’s not being a patriot, that’s being an enabler.
and it didn’t fly as a defence at Nuremberg….
“I support my country and my leader no matter what.”
i know it’s already been covered, but that’s not patriotism; it’s stubborn stupidity.
Weird. See, I respect the members of our armed forces. I even go out of my way to show them that respect and to thank them for the service and dedication they demonstrate to our country. Thank you, Blarg. And please thank your colleagues for me, too. You do a job I am not qualified to do. One we all depend on.
What I *don’t* respect is some jerk that scams the American public and the world into invading another country, under the pretext of anti-terrorism, and gets my countrymen killed and wounded.
And while we waste lives and money manufacturing new enemies in Iraq, the real villains are safe and secure from your grasp, Blarg, in Afghanistan and Somalia and Zimbabwe and North Korea and who knows where else.
Your Commander-In-Chief — well, former now — did that to you. I understand honor and duty and I respect you for that. Boy howdy, I respect you A LOT for that. I don’t respect *him* at all.
So yeah, f*ck me. I wish you all the best, too.
Stay safe. And make a difference.
Ah, if breivtiy is the soul of wit, Twain just arrived…
I find it funny how only the liberal ones get shown. Obama nutthugging douchebags ftw.
Maybe it’s because from your point of view 99.99 percent of the population of the world count as liberal.
Like that Pinko Commie Atilla the hun
BTW Obama Lol by Fester behind me name
Now that, was hilarious.
Agreed.
ROFLMAO!!!
*SNORK*
Brilliant, you ol’ fart!
There a different one now…
Love it!! None of these survive the gum-smacking, mouth-
breathing, knuckle-dragging crowd?
*(assumes answer)*
Wonder why…
I LOLed.
*offers Fester candy Circus Peanuts*
I did submit them ages ago… never seemed to surface… but hey, I did them mostly for my amusement…
LOVED IT!!!
At least this man showed far more class during his presidency than all his detractors have! I’ll miss President Bush!
Class – Runs economy into the ground, manages to get into a position of two un-winnable ‘police actions’ with no exit strategy, as well as declaring ‘war without end’, The Patriot Act, a Federal Govt with powers to detain seldom seen outside Albania, institutes ‘torture’, hires Mercenaries and gives no-bid contracts to his buddies… odd definition of ‘class’
You want me… I can tell… it’s the name… But you’re the girl first…
I also like the fact you didn’t address one point of his alleged ‘class’ that I made
but then your lust is just clouding your brain…
you still want me… but that’s cool… I have that effect on a lot of men… but you HAVE to be the girl…
SO, which troll are you that I’ve butt hurt?
Course they cup cake… you just want me… I can tell… why fight it?
You’re getting a following, Fester !
Who’s the one not adressing the issues again?
They wanna talk, they can get their own damned name cupcake, you want some too?
You’re getting more troll action than a twelve year old hooker these days.
BTW, being ‘Military’ really doesn’t give Blarg a ‘being a douche to civilians and then justifying by uniform’ pass…
You another idiot with a bad hair cut and worse designed uniform who read one too many Sgt Rock comics in his remedial classes? Or just Blarg’s sock?
That’s a real sticky sock…
When did I justify being a douche by merit of my uniform? Please, quote exact passages.
Nope, I’m done tin soldier… you’re a douche who hides behind his uniform…
I don’t note anyone rushing to your defence, and if I was being a twat, they would have done… Sorry, you’re just a empty piece of dreck who needed a uniform and plays the card like the Ace of Spades…
nothing to debate, nothing to interact with, nothing to respect…
Who’s hiding? I’ve asked you repeatedly to tell me where I’m specifically being hypocritical, which you haven’t. I asked you to tell me exactly where I’m being a douche and justifying it with my uniform, which you haven’t. If anyone’s hiding (and now running), it’s you Fester. But go ahead, post once more after I post here to get your last word. It’s typical of people like you.
You’re a man who reports to a temp and pretends he doesn’t serve the people…
and feel free to feel vindicated.
Fester lives in England. He wouldn’t have to move to Canada to escape from serving in the US military.
“Fester lives in England. He wouldn’t have to move to Canada to escape from serving in the US military.”
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Particularly since we haven’t had a draft since 1973.
Well, I look at it this way, I’ve been called worse than that by worse than him…
I tend to find that the Winter Warrior seldom calls anyone a coward… all I have to say on that.
“especially in the sense that you would insult a member of the military that a coward like you would move to Canada to escape from serving time in,:
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Linguo… IS… dead.
Then he should really be concerned with insulting members of the military and arguing with people who actually live in the United States
So, wait… You’re trying to insult me, a heterosexual woman, by implying that my sexual preferences are that of a heterosexual woman?
Obvious troll is obvious.
Pathetic troll is pathetic you mean…
Some damn weekender who thinks he’s Chuck Norris…
Luckily his type posts on PK only on “event”
days, then slithers back to 4chan…
Not to leave out that weird groping incident with Chancellor Merkel.
The only thing I admire about the Chosen One was his ability to run an extremely slimey campaign and yet keep his hands clean.
Hey, the needle is stuck… ‘The Chosen one… zzzzt! The Chosen One….Zzzt!…’
Retard
Class? The President who brought a love of fart jokes to the White House?
I don’t think so.
OK yes I am kinda glad to see Bush go. I think his administration policy kinda fell apart around Iraq in his 2nd term, and pretty much left us leaderless. He also massively failed on energy, no seriously massively failed to do a god damn thing about it.
Well so ends the terms of probably the most intensely hated human being on the face of planet at the moment. It surprises me, genuine genocidal dictators and madmen don’t garner so much hate. Serial rapists are loved more than this man. Seriously I expect the lib’s to storm his home and drag him though the streets on meathooks like the Italians did Mussolini.
Ok and now cue the people who will say Bush WAS a dictator, war criminal serial killer, rapist, baby eater, alien overlord, satan, etc… *snaps fingers and waits for them to appear*
Thank forking God, the 8 years of voraciously whining butt-hurt bitches is finally going to be over. Hell the guy is a lame duck after the election and you wirdos have to do your butt-hurt whining even then.
Yah the Republicans are going to whine about Obama, but its going to a 2 in compared to th 666 on a scale of 1-10 of Bush butt-hurt bitching.
I think actually you’re doing a really good sub-Rosa butt-hurt whine there…
Haha, I’m surprised to see this one show up now. Originally, it didn’t, hence the follow up version. Oh well.
PK delays posts with norty words in them, usually about 30 minutes.
amen to that. he can’t leave fast enough
i think this site is biased….
NO! YOU DON’T SAY!
Actually, it simply doesn’t pander to every one of your prejudices… and you whine about it rather than just pile in and mock it…
Its a humor website what eles would you expect?
Precisely…
I think this site is voter-page-driven.
But that would mean that conservatives were in the minority… and THAT can’t be…!
IF the LOL’s actually get to the voting page- which they do not. Sorta like PRAVDA.
More butt hurt rambling from a wannabe and a lackwit…
Ok I dont care what anyone says but there is one thing I do like about Bush…. the fact that even though when all odds were stacked against him, he still stuck to his guns. Thats all I really have to say
…you mean like those guys you see on Cops who have about 300 police cars chasing them but they keep going with the car chase until the tires come off and catch fire and the car’s undriveable, and then get out of the car and try to run for it on foot? That’s always fun to watch.
Slippery slope argument fail. False analogy fail.
In short, logic fail.
Serious inability to see the tangent fail. You always such a straightman? We DO need more of them around here, but I think we’d prefer one with better timing & general grasp of intent..
No slippery slope argument here….that’s just the first thing that “sticking to your guns when all the odds are stacked against you” brought to mind.
The too-serious….you has it.
Come to think of it, you know what else I like to watch? People falling down slippery slopes.
Poor analogy WIN! by the chocolate soldier
“like those guys you see on Cops”
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My absolute favorite example of this:
Cops show up at this guy’s trailer. He panics and starts running, cutting through everybody’s yard in the trailer park. As he runs, he yells, “You’ll never catch me! Never! NEVER!!”… [trips, falls down, mumbles] “Oh, man, am I hung over”.
Classic!
Isn’t COPS like porn? Same old action with no discernable plot; can be used as ambient background action sort of like one of those noise-maker machines.
Well, a lot less likelihood that I’ll make a mental note to try something I see….
I prefer the fact he can mime Dizzy Gillespie… He’d have benefited not lying…
You speak of batsh!t crazy like it’s an option…
Stuck to his guns regardless of fact or result. Yup. Admirable. The 2 YO’s I care for are like that, too.
“The 2 YO’s I care for”
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ZOMG!! You meant 2-year-olds! I read that as 2 Y.O.’s and pictured two Y.O.s as in Joe Pesci.
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[For the uninitiated: "Y.O." is a simplified version of a not very complimentary Italian term meaning, basically, "guido" or "wise guy". The most common representation in popular culture would be every male character on "The Sopranos"]
This idea that pig-headedly heading down the same, wrong path no matter what is an admirable quality and being humble enough to change your views as the situation changes is pathetic, cowardly flip-flopping is a large part of the reason why the Republican Party has become unelectable.
Flip-flopping is the epitome of the Democratic Party. *cough* Kerry *cough*
Wow. You do realize the astounding amount of butt-hurt getting displayed here is just demonstarting how impotent you really are? Sheesh. What do you do when you’re outdoors – flash the children?
Trouble is, they laugh at it and point…
And it makes the limp limper. Downward spiral, poor sap. We’ll get him one of those little splint-like devices to make it at least LOOK like it gets up.
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Then we’ll laugh at it some more.
“there is one thing I do like about Bush…. the fact that even though when all odds were stacked against him, he still stuck to his guns.”
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Translation: The way he walked off the same cliff over and over.
Sticking to your guns = a very bad thing when you’re wrong to begin with.
It would be a very good idea for us to remind people of that fact each and every time that someone makes that lame old “at least he stood up for what he believed” argument.
It takes a big man to say “I was wrong.”
Cheap and easy caption.
I usually like cheap and easy, but in this case… eh.
Only in bourbon and women eh?
Leave Gary Busey out of this; the man’s got enough problems.
And despite those, he comes across as far more intelligent, intellectual, sane and together than the last president. At least mr Busey is batpoop crazy in an INTERESTING way.
Ahem. “You’re all idiots.”
o Bush went into Afghanistan and Iraq by himself? Congress voted to invade both of those countries. There were few senators who voted against this, Obama being one of them. There was 3 i believe who voted against this. So tell me sketch, U.S. is built on the check and balance system of using a house of reps and the senate. And both voted in favor of these. You should probably go back to middle school history and study up. I am glad to have a new prez but the Bush blaming can only go so far. The congress is also at fault as well. Can you honestly say you would’ve handled 9/11 better? I think he handled that as well as he could. But as a moderate, I hope Obama can right the ship called our economy. This deficit was created by the war, that is correct. But the congress can pass taxes even if the prez vetos it. Bush said he would not raise taxes and he didn’t. If anything, you have to admire him for sticking to his guns and holding on to his promise. Was it the best choice in a war? Absolutely not. If anything, Republicans and Democrats should not be fighting and arguing about petty things like the media glorifying Obama or this or that. Both parties need to work together to fix our great nation, the United States of America. One man can’t do anything by himself. Obama needs cooperation from both parties to truly fix this nation.
And to some comments above, both democratic and republican, when you swear and curse continuously in a comment about someone’s little blurb, it removes all validity and point behind your comment. However right it may be. People don’t want to listen to someone swear every other word to get their point across. It does the opposite and makes people discredit and ignore you and your opinion.
Grace-on-the-part-of-the-winning-party FAIL.
I know…but they’ve been like this before the election. Then they get all huffed up whenever anyone sees fit to poke fun at Obama, but are more than willing to insult anyone they don’t like.
Here’s a hint to everyone: If you can’t take a joke, don’t make ‘em. If you can take a joke, make ‘em jokes and not blatant insults.
This is supposed to be a fun site, but it seems the people who give liberals a bad name are the majority of members here.
The hell? It’s been eating my replies.
They’ve been like this for awhile. And of course, they get all huffed if you even think about poking fun at Obama, not badmouthing like they do to who they don’t like, but making a joke.
Here’s a hint for everybody: If you can’t take a joke, don’t make them. If you can take a joke, make sure it’s a joke you’re making.
I really want to believe that the people who determined this election weren’t complete assholes, I hope the majority of the members on this board just represent a minority.
Lot of butthurt losing fail too
but you won’t notice that…
“Moron.” Gee, I’ve never heard that one before. Nor have I heard the LULZ BUSH THE RETARD one before.
Sigh. The tedium is overwhelming.
Followed by the incessant whining of ‘Oh! The Tedium!’
If it was Obama saying it, then add
“Cause I don’t want Ass prints on my new Door!”
Very poor taste.
Agreed, very poor taste. Shut up and get over it.
Wow…how flaming liberal is this site?
How much of a flaming nonce are you?
Seriously!!
It’s like a cry baby water cooler!!
I’m sorry your political party of choice is incapable of choosing a candidate who isn’t a completely incompetent liar that never had to work his way up to anything and basically had the presidency handed to him because Karl Rove knows how leech votes using the same tired scare tactics to play into the worse aspects of a large demographic of our countrymen. No, really. I am.
Obama worked hard for the presidency? What, his one year in senate? Geez put anyone on a DNC platform saying the word “change” every few minutes and you libs would drool all over yourselves. I guess Bush being governor over one of the largest U.S. states wasn’t much work. Guess he should’ve listed “community organizer” on his resume. Would THAT have impressed you?
How sad it is that all you left wing bleeding heart liberals are so easily brain washed and led around by the nostrils.
Bush may not have been as articulate as your puppet master but he kept your asses just as safe as us strong willed, free thinking Americans and you should be thankful!!
OH god… not more military…
He lied to the citizens he was supposed to be working for, his administration orchestrated false pretenses for going to war and sinking us into ungodly amounts of depth, and, worst of all, tried to justify lying to your country and shitting on your duty to your country by claiming it was “in our best interests.” That’s called fascism, my friends.
I’m sorry your political party of choice couldn’t pick someone who WASN’T a huge, embarrassing failure, but there’s always the future, isn’t there?
“your puppet master”
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repeatedly debunked in numerous threads, including this one
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“but he kept your asses just as safe”
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debunked about 500 times upthread in response to Ashleigh, also previously in numerous other threads
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*sigh*
They’re just not trying very hard, are they?
Olbermann pen that one for you?
Butthurt monkey has butthurt.
Indeed. ^^
I’ll miss George Bush. :B
A rich vein of situational comedy is leaving the political stage…
learn 2 comedy
As to George’s comments above, yes and no with the lying. I don’t think Bush really knew his cabinet and “intelligence” were lying to him. They formulated a story about weapons and I think old George did not know until congress already passed the Iraq resolution. It was confirmed that it was bad information but do we know if Bush knew? No. But he picked a stupid cabinet and intelligence officers who gave him awful information. And to the military people who posted above, I respect you for fighting for the U.S and protecting us, but it does not make anyone want to listen to you when you swear profusely (Blarg) or insulting the other party (DRB). It really discredits your opinion. Your comments can be stated in a much more sophisticated and professional way.
Actually, no, they couldn’t… we both know their sort far too well.
and Bush was told what he wanted to hear. It was a case of Alexander in the Winter Palace, only a lot of other people’s their guts spread up the wall, rather than the Czar…
As happy as I am to have a breath of fresh air, when you step back and look at it, I feel so bad for him. I mean, I wouldn’t go as far to say that he is the most hated man in America, but certainly there is really just a lot of hate channeled towards him. How terrible would you feel if so many people hated you? I mean, wow, what a taxing job. You can never please anyone, with any decision. Everything is blamed on him, and I just feel for the poor guy
He is a human too, as much as some don’t like to admit it.
I doubt he cares. He’s a politician. Being reviled is part of the job, as much as blind adoration by some sections, and if you step into the job thinking you’ll get your face on Mount Rushmore before you’re dead, you’re delusional, or going to carve it yourself…
Downright hate shouldn’t be part of the job. He’s a human being. To think that he doesn’t care that many Americans hate him is absurd. To know that the despicable media helped sway America’s view of him must make his blood boil.
No offense intended, and I recognize your name from posts in the past,
but the “despicable media” line has reached a point of semantic satiation.
Charles Manson is a human being, and so was Jeffrey Dahmer. You may
not agree, but the fact remains that many Americans *sincerely* think
that GWB has done great damage to the country, and has cost American
lives needlessly. Those people (self included) would not think your way,
save for the media, no matter how much you wish. You just can’t fathom
how the other side thinks, and you’re looking for something or someone
to blame. From this side, it looks like you’re engaging in a “shoot the
messenger” mentality, though you probably won’t agree.
Can you explain to me why the media has yet to portray any positives from the wars in Afghanistan or Iraq? Is there a reason we don’t see the schools being built or the lives being saved? The people who truly appreciate us being there saving their country from a hellish tyranny? We’re so self-absorbed in America, that we don’t care about anyone outside of our borders. No one will recognize that Bush did more to help the AIDS epidemic in Africa than any other president. All we see is a war that we’re told has failed and there is no other side. It’s not a matter of “fathoming how the other side thinks.” When there’s only one side given and one view exploited, how can we NOT see how the left-wing libs think?
Not at all… the opinion of others, once you’ve achieved the goal is largely immaterial, especially in politics. People hate Obama’s entrails, they hated Clinton’s, Bush I’s, Reagan’s… hell, there were people on the Revolutionary side who’d have seen Washington’s head on a stick and spat at it. If you’re going to be phased by hatred for what you stand for as a politico, then you have no business going in for the job…
It’s like scorpions and camel spiders in deserts, it comes with the territory…
I totally agree with Uncle Fester. Parties and party members aren’t supposed to agree. That is the glory of a two-party system.People’s opinions are much different. It doesn’t mean that they are wrong necessarily but you have to expect resistance when stating your views or opinions. It happens with anything. Don’t freak out about it people. Obama will get political cartoons and spoofs and satired just like Bush and Clinton. Calm down people…
i got a question for all you idiots
why are you all like thank god he is out? when you voted for him again?
QFT.
I didn’t vote for him, ever, so what’s your point?
Based on the lies he was spinning in 1999, I’d have voted for him… and I’m a Brit…
It the US chose, for the most part to do what the Emperor Zhu-Di did in 1423, I’d be a lot happier…
If you’re a brit, then why do you care?
Way to misunderestimate the global impact of the US and its doings!
Misunderestimate, FTW!!
It felt so appropriate to use that here. Dubya did do some good things for humourous use of the English language at least, I’ll give him that.
…and what he did for peaceful human and fish coexistence is
unrivaled in modern time.
Way to over-estimate Bush as being the bad guy for the economy! Don’t dare blame your dems in congress…
My what? I’m not American either, and I am not solely concerned with economy. :p
Misunderestimate…sounds like a Bush word.
Yes? You are not making any sense whatsoever to me now, I’m sorry. :/
Misunderestimate…not a word…not even in your british dictionary.
Well, yes, I am aware of that.
I’ll back up to here and try again with a clearer followup than before.
Why do you wonder why a Brit would care about what happens in America?
im sick and tired of people calling Bush a moron! especially people who voted for him in the first place.. he was a hell of alot better than who whould’ve been president if it wasnt him!!
lol ttly agree w/ u
Okay, retard, you’re about 7 months late on that one. Who taught GWB how to use the Internet anyway? I knew he’d find his way here. The main thing I take away from this thread glancing at it is that I miss Fester.
the interwebs i has learned how to use, to see how spiderman escapes his many villans on youtub
Okay, Mr. President, I want you to google something called “two girls, one cup” for me, okay? That oughta keep you busy for a while.
ah tried to tell the magic porn makeing box to go find me girls and cups, two and one…but in west texas…maybe east texas..should be west texas ..we done do got ourselves a saying…fool me once..shame on HOLY CRAP SHE IS EATING IT LIKE SOFT SERVE
Corruptin a prezidenshul troll. I’m doin it right.
dear mr Bush, I miss you,you had a love of the u.s.a. all the so called “changes” are a heep of hourse dung. this so called dem.is nothing but showoff, forever in our faces. yuk. next he will be on “dancing with the stars” boohoo poor us.
Um no just no. shutup. at least he wasnt an idiot like our current prez.
HAHAHAHHAHAH…oh…wait your not kidding…..you have been paying attention to the news for the past 8 1/2 years right?
nuk’leer isnt even a word damnit!
All right, who taught Bush how to use the computer?
we know it was your former Mr president bush, there is fingerpaints on the keyboard
I understandificate how to use the internet.
Seriously? That wasn’t the slightest bit funny. Try to be original next time, “Bush the moron” is weak.
If it hits him anywhere it’ll hit him in the ass