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Go Go Go!!!
Expose McCain’s and Palin’s Lies!
Get tough!
EVERYONE ON THIS THREAD:
Chill the fuck out! Both candidates are good people. I’m conservative, but I respect Obama, cuz he’s a good man, a good father, and I am sick to DEATH of people making Muslim remarks! (Just because his middle name is Hussain does NOT make him a terrorist…it just means he has a family name.) I’m from Illinois, we love him here. I’m not going to vote for him, but I don’t think he would be a BAD president by any means.
McCain is a fantastic candidate and a model citizen. His experience in Vietnam DESERVES your respect, regardless of if it wins your votes. McCain is the one running for President, NOT Palin, so why Obama and Palin are being compared so much is completely beyond me. Let’s stick with the issues here, yes?
So for the love of god, STOP the personal attacks! Do you know how stupid you all sound?!?
BCain,
I agree whole heartedly. I am a liberal and will be voting for Obama. That doesn’t make McCain a bad candidate for president. The US has done good and bad under both Republicans and Democrats.
this time around McCain wont make a good president!!! He scares the living shit our of me, and then you add Sarah Palin and she does not help at all, scares me even more!
Why does he scare you? If the “most dangerous man on the planet” (Ronald Reagan) didn’t bring about the apocalypse – what about McCain frightens you?
all that is on his mind is war with IRAN and WAR with Russia, check his foreign policy.
by the way not only is McCain Dangerous, he is trigger happy… does not use reason.
what scares me? how about the fact that he mixed up the Sunni and the Shia Five separate times, and those are just the times there happened to be a camera around to catch him. Not to mention that he said it would be fine with him to be in Iraq for 100 years and that he clearly thinks war–with Iran, with Russia–is the solution to every problem. If you’re not scared you’re not paying attention.
you name two americans that can correctly identify the sunni v shiaites and i will agree with you. Im sorry but in this day and age nothing will end in peace. those days were gone when the a bomb was created, before it was even used. Of course he is okay with the wars, repubs always have been. they are the patriotic of the patriotic. 95% percent of repubs have served some time in one of the military branches, where only 35% demos have. Most demo canidates come from organizational backgrounds. I will probably vote McCain since Hill is not on the ticket.
I do not want to see Biden in office at all, he goes as the wind blows, and Obama has everyone fooled. I would like for one person to tell me where Obama stands on the war, education, energy, health care. And dont tell me the CHANGE is coming. Obama is a great speaker, none better in the spot light right now, and hes got millions of people listening, but the guy anit sayin nuthin! everyone knows McCains policy and Palin’s, but not Obama and Biden, doesn’t that raise any concern?
>you name two americans that can correctly identify the sunni v shiaites and i will agree with you.
Two Americans? Easy: Barack Obama and Joe Biden.
I think the point is that the president is supposed to know a little more about these things than John Q. Public. McCain doesn’t even know who he’s attacking, he just wants to attack.
the only reason that Mr. Obama and Mr. Biden are able to “correctly
identify” the two is because they have speech writers looking to make sure those connections are made correctly.
As for McCain attacking just to attack, you’re wrong. He wants to be victorious in this war. Not for our own benefit but because it will bring freedom to those in Iraq. I’m not sure if you’ve heard anything past “CHANGE – CHANGE – CHANGE” from Mr. Obama, but he clearly has his eyes set on continuing a war… Afghanistan is where he’s headed. He’s already planning on relocating our forces in Iraq and adding even more on top of that.
War hungry? I think you are Mr. Obama… I think you are.
Correction. Obama and Biden know the difference between Sunni and Shia because they are smart. Not only that, many people know the difference. Obama does have a speech writer but he edits ALL of his speeches before he gives them. He’s literate; he reads; writes extremely well and is quite smart as is Joe Biden. McCain graduated 894 out of a class of 899 at the Naval Academy; he went to the War College after Sen. John Warner helped get him in. Obama got into Columbia University and Harvard Law School on his own merits; not with family or political influence. Oh by the way, he was the first African America to become President of the Harvard Law Review. This may be way over your head because you belive there is something to win in Iraq. How to you “win” when you invaded a country erroneously? You’re absolutely right Obama wants to go into Afghanistan; it’s where we should have been all along but Bush/McCain went to Iraq like idiots. Osama Ben Laden is still running the Taliban and the war hero, John McCain, is walking around tasling about I’ll go to the gates of hell to get him, I know how to get him, etc. If he knows how to get him and wants to put country first why doesn’t he tell Bush how to get him. You people are so uninformed. Wake up, READ, LISTEN, and OPEN YOUR MINDS or you will all be broke, jobless, and homeless while McCain is living in one of this 7 homes, collecting the dividends from his wife’s beer distributorship and making money off or oil.
“Obama and Biden know the difference between Sunni and Shia because they are smart. Not only that, many people know the difference.”
Wow. Brilliant explanation. I am enlightened. Unfortunately, I stopped reading after these 2 statements.
Can you spell I-D-I-O-T? Read and learn. It’s obvious you don’t want to know the truth. Believe what you will. We still love ya.
You GO Girl! I couldn’t have said it better myself!
this bugged me a bit, i’m not going to comment on the rest of the paragragh, anyone paying attention knows how i feel on obama and mccain, but to get into one of the military academies, you do need to have the recommendation of a senator or general, so it’s not fair to bash McCain for not doing that on his own when it is part of the policy
Amen.
Yeah…They should definitely know how many states are in the United States!
Imagine every single thing you said for two years was recorded, on the news and the internet. Are you saying you would never slip up and say the wrong thing? Or are you really trying to say Obama thinks there are 57 states?
I believe he was simply referring to the number of states, commonwealths, territories and districts that have a say in the primaries, 57, and slipped up and called them states. Easy mistake to make. Google, “primaries, territories, US” for a list of them.
I and most people I have talked to know the difference between Sunni and Shia. We are all Americans, so that’s way more than two. Hint: for Sunni, think Saddam, Saudi and Osama. For Shia, think Iran and most Iraqis. As for Obama having no concrete message or plan, Bullshit! It’s just the opposite! McCain constantly tries to distract from anything concrete with outrageous lies about Obama. See: lipstick on a pig, sex ed to kindergarteners, Sarah Palin, etc. Obama constantly talks about concrete policies to address the critical issues we face. Go read his Website for starters. Don’t just be a parrot for McCain’s lies, try thinking for yourself!
Saddam and Osama were actually opposite sides. This is why it was so obvious to most intelligent people that Iraq had nothing to do with Bush’s War of Terror.
If you don’t know Obama’s stand on war (“never should have gone to Iraq; bring troops home as responsible as we were careless sending them there”); or education ($4,000 for college students; make teachers teach students not teach to the test, reward teachers for good work; develop master teachers); energy (become energy independent by using biofuel, wind, solar, etc.) healthcare (everyone who wants healthcare should be able to afford it and should enjoy the same healthcare he has as a member of the Senate) you either haven’t been paying attending or so caught up in Hillary’s loss that you are willing to help turn this country over to an old man who’s only foreign policy is are and a bimbo who continues to tell the American people a bunch of lies over and over even after they have been proved to be lies. Hopefully before Nov. 4 you’ll rethink your position. If you were a Hillary supporter what in the hell do you see in McCain as worth supporting; a gun toting, moose killing, liar who can’t raise her own children – one pregnant and the other an oxycotin addict who joined the milatary to keep from going to jail for his participation in multiple episodes of vandalism. BTW, Sarah was pregnant when she got married; must run in the family. Are these the family values you want running this country. Sounds to me like you’re voting against Obama because he’s Black not because you don’t know what he stand for.
Bravo Elaine. Unfortunatly your last sentence is sad but true.
I’m voting against Obama because he thinks taxes are a matter of fairness, he will expand the roll of government in our lives without finding a sound tax bases, because his background screams communist, because he was ACRON in Chicago and because he asked that the withdrawl be held off until he was in office.
He is a dangerious man who will shread the meaning of the consitution by the time he leaves office.
you sound scared of a black man..dont worry ..he wont have a house full of n*&&AS….not enough blacks in politics..you will still have your whites all up in that white house…he may be the only mulatto…so no reason to be scared of someone who looks a little different than you…its ok…i know you were probably raised that way but times are changing…and we definitely need a change in the white house.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Barack_Obama WHEN YOU GET TO THE SITE LOOK UP SCROLL TO TAX AND GET EDUCATED!!
DON’T LET THOSE FOOLS MCCAIN AND PALIN FOOL YOU.
YOU’RE SMARTER THAN THAT!!!!!
Do you even know what communism is?
Dear Denise
I ain’t American but i know what the constitution is and i know
that if Barack tired to change it he would be shot quicker than
a man waving a USSR flag on the white house roof. As for him
being communist do you realise the money he would need to do
that to the country!?!?!?! he would need the senate on-side for
the destruction of the base of America. Failing that he would need
the army to forcefully destroy government as you know it! So,
here’s a little lesson: whether he’s communist or not (and he isn’t
) Barack would have no chance in making American communist
(check the history books, russia took years to do that with the
most of the people wanting it to happen, Lenin wasn’t just voted
in and changed the face of Russia over night)
“He is a dangerious man who will shread the meaning of the consitution by the time he leaves office”
I thought Bush was the one who shred the US constitution to
pieces already.
Where are you getting your figures from? A poll in 2007 shows 47% of active military members consider themselves Republicans.
Source: The Military Times
Source: His ass.
Actually, David, everyone DOES NOT know McCains policy; If you’ve been paying attention, Obama has all of his anticipated policies on all of the issues plastered on his website so that you can see for yourself what they are and how they apply to you. Like Obama said, if the last 8 years have been good for you, then you should, no you NEED to vote for McCain/Palin. But back to the subject at hand, which was you saying everyone knows McCains policy?? Well david here is a newsflash for you, John McCain is set to have a news conference TOMORROW to reveal HIS POLICIES!!!! Are you freaking kidding me??? Get off of this guys nutsack!! What we need during these times is not a good soldier but a real leader David!! Wake-up and do this country a favor with your vote, OBAMA/BIDEN
Do you live under a rock? All Obama does is lay out, time and time again, what his policies and plans would look like (perhaps most thoroughly in his Convention speech). Furthermore, he also continually emphasizes that his plan is to try and reach across the aisle, so that we can stop living in this state of political gridlock that has gotten this country into the biggest mess since, oh, right around this time in 1929. This election is SO much bigger than McCain vs. Obama- it’s about the future of our planet, America’s place in the world, and the future of justice (or lack thereof) in our country (re. most of the Supreme Court is on its way out). . . I sure hope you’re old and rich dude, ‘cuz if not I really don’t get you.
I believe that the McCain/Palin ticket is the ones who aren’t sayin’ anything of substance. McCain’s answer on everything is “Oh, I know (fill in the blank)” and “Sen. Obama just doesn’t get it”. How could you say Barack isn’t talking about nuthin’ when all McCain/Palin wanna talk about is Pitbulls, pigs and lipstick?!? That’s why as soon as the economy tanked out and became the #1 issue of most Americans, McCain slipped drastically in the polls!!! But to answer your questions on Obama’s views on the war, he rather go after the people who attacked the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! Right now they are not in Iraq or Iran. They are in Afganistan and that’s where he wants to go with or without help from Pakastan. It’s been 7 years and they still haven’t found Bin Laden. Maybe it’s because they’re not looking for him! Why spend $10 billion dollars a month pretending to look for someone your not at the taxpayers expense. This war has bankrupted America leaving us with a $10 trillion dollar deficit soon to be 11 with the approval of bailout. Could you please tell me what are John McCain’s views on the war and other policies…cause right now from what I’m seeing they are very similar to the views of the idiot who is running the country in to the ground now…
I teach tenth grade world history and not only do I know the difference between the Sunnis and Shiites, but my tenth grade students do as well.
They also know the basic religious beliefs of Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
The president should absolutely know these things as well as all Americans if they are going to understand anything about the events occuring in the Middle East. And while we do no always retain everything we learn, the president is absolutely supposed to know these things especially if he is discussing something as serious as war and how to end it.
Holley fuck! have not watched the debates? did you not see his 30 min. spot on television? he has made where he stande on all of those subjexts very clear and in an articulate manner. but you probably avoid anything he says because you have a bias. Just because you choose to ignore what he says doesn’t mean he isn’t saying anything.
My grandfather My neighbor and to top it off me
“Most demo canidates come from organizational backgrounds. I will probably vote McCain since Hill is not on the ticket.”
WRONG !!!!!!!!!
I would like for one person to tell me where Obama stands on the war, education, energy, health care. And dont tell me the CHANGE is coming. Obama is a great speaker, none better in the spot light right now, and hes got millions of people listening, but the guy anit sayin nuthin!
Maybe if you would have actually listened to PRESIDENT OBAMA (that’s right) during the election, you would know where he stands. Or better yet if you wanted to know anything, why didn’t you go to an Obama office in your town, city or neighborhood and get some literature. YOu are obviously a right winger and your type disgust me. You see things one way and think that everyone else is wrong. That simply disgusts me! You need to take a few steps back take your head out of your ass and pay attention to what is going on.
I’m sorry, but anybody who doesn’t even know what their platform is on contraception is not fit to be president.
McCain’s a hot-head, and that could cause trouble. Plus, I truly believe he’s
utterly clueless on economic matters and, as such, don’t trust his judgment to
surround himself with competent advisers (think Gramm).
That said, he doesn’t frighten me any more than Reagan did. But, Palin is
utterly terrifying. At the conclusion of her nasty convention speech, I said, “This
woman is the worst of Bush Jr. and Nixon combined.” She has the disdain for
facts, science, and intellectual curiosity of Bush. She has the paranoia, vindictiveness, and intolerance of Nixon. Everything I’ve seen of her since then
not only confirms my assertion, but I’ve actually begun to wonder whether she
even exceeds these gentlemen in those respective categories.
The thought of Sarah Palin managing the affairs of the United States, with our
arsenal at her disposal, should send chills through every citizen of this planet.
Amen.
4real yo act like he dont know wat he’s doin.. he mite be a lil stressed i mean pray 4 him .. bt he got.. it’ so ya.. go head and chill[bout time we got change in dis mess.[lls
Rational thinking FTW. I do agree that McCains service does deserve our respect, even if it doesn’t deserve our votes. I’m just voting for Obama because I think he’s actually the man for the job.
I think it’s appalling that the republicans played the 9/11 tribute video at the RNC. They are exploiting the memories of the dead and playing the fear card once again. Michelle Obama beautifully said that when she tucks her children in at night she wants them to have hopes and dreams and not fears. It was Bush’s strategy, to keep the country in fear. I’m a New Yorker and I’m sick of it. I lived through 9/11 and will never forget that day and don’t need to be reminded by assholes who lived thousands of miles away. They might as well had signs at the RNC that said kill all muslims and all Islamic people. This country is made up of all race, creeds and colors and we cannot have this conservative christian base keep us in this stranglehold anymore. I love how flip-flopping McCain who voted with Bush and kissed Bush’s ass is now trying so hard to distance himself from Bush…. and once again become the maverick….. and being a POW isn’t an accomplishment and isn’t a requirement for presidency. So he needs to chill on that, I mean hasn’t his ass been kissed enough for his patriotic duty??? There were over six-hundred other men in that POW camp, maybe they should also run for president.
I back you 1,000 percent here!!!! Fear mongering is the worst form of manipulation there is and it DOES compare with the type of abuses associated with the MANY evil leaders this world has sadly seen!
I agree. The video was in sickeningly poor taste.
I agree as well. That made me sick. It was soo crassly political.
So are you guys not going to watch Obama and McCain on 9/11/08 at ground zero? Is that in good taste? During a campaign? Hope? Change? BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
RON PAUL 08 PISS ON ALL YA I like my guns and religion.
Did you say RuPaul in ‘08? FINALLY a candidate I can vote for!
I like your guns and religion too. Just keep them both pointed away from me.
Um, Big Daddy, two things. One, this is one of the few tactful, honest discussions I’ve seen anywhere, and you do realize you ruined it? And two, I hope you realize that your candidate has been out of the race for about 45 years now? I might as well say…
JFK’s REANIMATE CORPSE 08!!!
Just as timely and likely.
I can’t vote for JFK, I have a policy against zombies.
…not to mention your trailer, your ignorance & your sister
Hooray for bcain! *applauds* Proof positive that we can disagree without tearing each other to shreds. While I’m voting for Obama and think he’s the best man for the job, I don’t think anyone can deny McCain’s fortitude in vietnam.
Looks like you posted too late. Johnnyk already started.
looks like msnbc aired it … not the gop … i didn’t see it when i was watching fox
This Election is about correcting the 9 trillion dollars in debt, the 407 billion budget deficit, the 75,000 jobs lost last month, an inflation rate of over 5%, the 43 million americans without health care, the housing crisis, the ever rising oil prices, ending our dependence on foreign oil, competing in a global economy and tackling environmental issues such as global warming. Mccains service is commendable; however that is what he did in the past, how does he plan to address the present challenges? Enough! of the accolades and the Sarah Palin soap opera. Lets make them talk about what matters! Did I mention the failing Education system in this country. By the way, Obama has my vote.
Has Mr. Obama really shown that he has the experience to even know where to start when tackling these challenges? I haven’t seen him yet explain where he plans to fund a continuing war in Afghanistan while leaving Iraq to ruins. I think it’s funny that he wants to end our dependence on foreign oil, but continues to advocate for NOT drilling in Alaska. How does he plan to bring about more jobs? Does he want to create legislation to not allow companies to outsource in other countries? And the budget deficit? I don’t think that a community planner with something around 160+ days in a senators office really has enough experience in Washington to handle such a position. Nothing against his character, it’s the fact that he really won’t know where to begin. He can talk about change all he wants, but I doubt he’ll do anything more than follow the pack… chasing after the lobbyists.
He wants to end your dependence on foreign oil, but IU get the feeling that he wants to end your dependence on local oil too.
thank you for that comment, bcain. about time someone responded intelligently on one of these things. vote how you feel on the day, people – WHY do you have to be cruel? that’s more a reflection on you than on anyone you attack. we can learn a lot from both candidates and they are both people who have earned our respect.
~a liberal democrat who’s tired of all the mud slinging (on both sides).
it’s refreshing to know that there are others out there on the same page… i completely agree. Thanks ENoel.
I have heard that McCain is “fantastic”. Then when I research his 30 years of Senate scandals (Keating 5, Suncore, EADS Vicki Ieman…).
His lack of any academic achievement (5th from the bottom out of 899 Cadets), the reports of his cut and run on the Forrestal (the only deck member that was NOT decorated for valor, the reports he had to be evacuated because the crew wanted to kill him for starting the tragedy that killed 167 men). The five jets he blew up or crashed.
His adulterous past. His wife making him sign a prenup because she doesn’t trust him, and apparently with good reason.
I just don’t know what to say. He was tortured so he should be president? He is white. Other than that???
why aren’t there any swiftboat ads about this stuff???
Thank you so much for bringing a taste of reason to the internet; hopefully it will go down well, and everyone will follow your example.
bcain, while I appreciate your reasonableness, I disagree with this point:
“McCain is the one running for President, NOT Palin,…”
It is a true statement, but it is not unreasonable for people to consider that McCain is 72 years old, has a personal history that may have compromised his long-term health, and is running for one of the most stressful jobs in the world.
Also, Obamo will be assassinated, so…
Oh hell, what if Biden is assassinated, that scares me worse!
excellent comment. i definitely agree… well, with you comment, though not your vote!
been feeling the same way myself…the trash talk on BOTH sides makes it near impossible to see any solutions to all of the problems
Mccain is the manchurian candidate. He’s a liar and a cheat and just might be dumber than George than George Bush and slightly smarter than all who think it’s wise to vote for him.
Question: what’s the difference between Palin and Cheney? Lipstick.
I’m amazed that ANYONE could be so uninformed, let us say, to think such thoughts.
I guess people are inclined to believe what they want to believe.
McCain’s average grades in the Naval Acadmeny was a D- (D minus)! Here’s are a few good exmamples of his sleazy lying.
http://pelerising.blogspot.com/2008/09/mccain-and-straight-talk-myth.html
D-!? No wonder he was captured…
And you’ve provided facts to back up your argument? Uh, nope!
I respect both presidential candidates BUT I’ve watched John McCain speak both formally and informally, and be interviewed and here’s my problem. John McCain appears to forgetful, mentally confused, and often has a peculiar affect. I am more concerned about his mental fitness, i.e. temperment and judgment to be president. Selecting a person who is obviously uneducated, uninformed, and unprepared seems to reflect Sen. McCain’s impulsiveness and poor judgment. I recall President Reagan toward the end of his second presidency. He too appeared mentally confused and forgetful.
Sen. McCain has refused to release his psychiatric history. And be release I mean the diganosis and whether or not the issues that necessitated the psychiatric treatment were resolved.
Unless McCain was flaming loon, why would that be relevant? I can understand if he has physical ailment that could end his term as President, but what does a person’s psychiatric records have to do with it? If he did get alzhiemers, it’s not a mental condition that a psychiatrist treats.
Of course his mental state is relevant! If he is free of issues (or his previous issues have been resolved, it should be a nonissue to release his history). Mental illness comes in many forms and degrees of severity – one does not have to be a ‘flaming loon’ to have issues that could present a problem in a position as stressful and important as POTUS.
Ok, well then I want to see records on Obama’s mental health as well. Hell, why stop there, why not all of Congress as well? There’s a lot of people there that are older then McCain. I don’t think this should be made litmus test to run for President.
Actually yes, it makes prefect sense that anyone running for public office should have to prove that they are mentally stable enough to handle the job. 911 dispatchers have to take a full psychological exam to get their jobs. Is it always effective? Of course not, nothing ever is but that doesn’t mean it’s not relevant These people make important decisions that affect everyone.
I guess as a non American I shouldn’t buy into this, but I can tell you from downunder we are all concerned about Sarah Palin. Maybe she is not the one running for President, but for God’s sake, should anything happen to McCain, and he is not a young man, SHE WILL BE PRESIDENT!!!!
Scares the crap out of me I can tell you. God save us for the radical Christian right…
Why? Kevin Rudd will just stick nose up the next arse that comes along. I would be more worried about the current PM instead of who might get elected in the States. Trust me, the Aussies have quite enough to deal with, with the Labour party running things.
Austrailia? Whats that?? LOL. But actually, nobody takes you folks seriously.
Hv, the comment was directed to Joon. I happen to be American, ok? I can now understand why people in other countries are put off by Americans. It’s your dismisive attitude that pisses them off.
“Australia? No, I’m not really into Pokemon.”
Or more like blatant arrogance and horrible international decision making. ‘Cause meddling in the Middle East was such a good idea that brings us a lot of global loving and security…
And, oh yeah, American politics and economics doesn’t affect the majority of the world, right? Naw, we’re just the most powerful and wealthy nation in the world.
With our global snobbery, we’re just asking for trouble half the time. A little restraint and humility always implies some admirable self-control. Think otherwise, and you’re probably a little detached from the reality of the rest of the world.
Hehe – you assume that everyone ‘down-under’ is an aussie??? well, I, for one, refuse to confirm nor deny that assumption is correct
Not everyone who says they’re from ‘down under’ are Aussie lol
I’m down under and I’m definitely not Aussie.
Woo for Kiwis
Amen to that! Unfortunately, the media is only delving into this now and it remains to be seen how much they will touch on Palin’s extremism. I believe that most Americans are afraid of radicals. However, Republicans would vote for the devil himself if he identified himself as a conservative. We can only hope and pray that “swing” voters will educate themselves on the issues. IF they do, Obama will be the next President because his policies are based much more on American ideals and freedoms.
I was in Australia last month and everyone there is very concerned as are
we. These choices we make reverberate all over the world and I am tired of being
a laughingstock. Obama will help restore all the good will Bush and Cheney
tore down in eight years.
Really, everyone?!?! I happen to live here and I can tell you that of the people I know and work with, not one has expressed concern one way or the other. Most of the people here are more concerned with issues like Global Warming, the cost of housing, making ends meet for their families and would suggest that our politics are the furthest thing from their minds. I’m curious though, did you stand on a corner and survey people as they walked by? Roughly how many people did you actually talk American Politics to?
That would be interesting to watch.
I have a hard time respecting McCain, b/c his rhetoric goes beyond the pale, and his doublespeak runs right over the endzone and into the stands of the most heinous LIES. (Just one example of oh, so many … McCain claims he’s going to tell the lobbyists to stick it, yet in his campaign he employs more than 50 of the sleaziest lobbyist from capitol hill.)
I have to measure the worth of a man by his words and actions, and McCain’s lies and actions are incongruent with any acceptable ethical standards. To anyone actually paying attention, McCain has proven himself wholly untrustworthy.
pelerising.blogspot
Everybody knows Obama’s not a muslim and that his name isn’t important–it’s just a way of saying “he’s different from us” without bringing up what their real problem with him is, a way of saying the “n word” without actually saying it.
I agree, I don’t like the personal attacks, and all the talk about Palin’s style; let’s please keep our focus on the issues at hand, you’re right about that.
But, the reason that Palin and Obama are being compared is very logical. McCain is 72 years old, which means that we have to realize here that he could die while in office. It’s a logical possibility that we can’t just shut our eyes to and pretend it won’t happen. Thus, he needs a vice president who is ready to step in at any moment. The McCain camp spent a lot of time and energy pointing out Obama’s shortcomings in the experience department and then they nominated a VP who’s got only a fraction of what Obama’s got. But, for some reason, that’s alright all of the sudden. Does that reasoning really seem sound to you?
Amen
we are freaking out because our freedoms are being taken away before our very eyes. Bush wants to fight his war for bogus “freedom” while taking away ours. Palin wants to take away even more. Its threatening our “democratic” society. to say the least.
God bless you man, for making sense and existing on the internet.
We’re voting for people based on how well they read other peoples lines from a teleprompter? My niece is a trained actress, maybe she should run. They keep talking about how John McCain fought for our freedom? Was Vietnam ever a threat to America’s freedom? Not to take anything away from a very brave man who suffered horribly at the hands of his captors, but we lost that war, and none of us are speaking Vietnamese, are we? As a matter of fact, isn’t Vietnam now considered one of the worlds best vacation spots? Aren’t American heroes of that war, people like Muhammad Ali who knew it was a war we shouldn’t be in, which history has proved, to be held up as Americans who stood up for their belief in America doing the right thing? He lost his championship title, was not allowed to work to proved for his family, and faced prison time for his belief. This country was founded by people who refused to be led like sheep, and blindly obey the powers that be for the benefit of a few (Halliburton?)
Now we are planning on sending a billion dollars to war torn Georgia, for relief of a war that they started? (look it up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_South_Ossetia_(2008)
How about we use that money to help Americans with education and health care? When flying, the reason you are instructed to put the oxygen mask on first, even though your instincts are to help your child first, is because if you don’t take care of yourself, you won’t be able to help anyone else!
It appears the inmates have taken over the asylum, and we, as it’s true custodians, had better start paying attention.
The reason so much emphasis is being placed on Palin is largely due to McCain’s age and health problems in the past. It is a very real possibility that this young lady will become President of the United States if McCain does not survive his term. It is amazing that we listen to candidates for months and months, but then out of nowhere we are to accept a person for vp who can become the President. Yes, people are very concerned about Palin as they should be. McCain says he is a maverick. It seems he makes spur of the moment decisions that he says he has been able to live with, but if he becomes President, his whims will affect all of us.
The reason Palin is such an issue is because even McCain himself acknowledged that given his age, he needed to pick the most qualified VP he could find. Obviously Palin is not that and she stands a very good chance of becoming president if they win. McCain violated all of his principles in choosing Palin. He mocked Obama’s inexperience and then went and picked Palin, he made fun of Obama’s “change” slogan and now he’s using it himself, he made a commercial slamming Obama as a “celebrity” and now he has picked an even bigger celebrity. He may have once been mavericky but now, he is just gimmicky. Seriously, given that he has basically promised more wars, how could he have picked her? He has shown himself to be spineless and without virtue by contradicting himself so blatantly in an effort to steal Obama’s thunder. He may win, but ultimately his supporters are being pandered to and shortchanged.
I respect your point and you are one of the few sane from your side, i am sorry to say that but it’s true. You sound like a very smart person and yes i used to admired McCain at one point and I thought we would make a excellent President. But now this has changed, to me it all started with habeas corpus when he sold out, after that he went downhill.
He used to be that person even Democrats admired but he is no longer that person, the evidence are everywhere. Obama has treated him with nothing but respect, he has honored him, complemented him and still does. McCain has lied(just look at his adds), has put this country in danger by selecting a unqualified candidate for VP, let alone his policies of agresiveness. Have you seen her interview? She is completely incompetent, and this is not sexist, this is the truth.
I would ask you to reconsider your vote for McCain, yes he is a heroe gone rogue figuratively speaking. We don’t really need that vote to win Illinois but it would show that you would use it properly for someone you respect and that will bring honor back to this country because it’s going down hill and once it’s in the hole it won’t come back.
Do you have kids? are they grown up? or are they teenagers? Ask yourself, do you want them to go to War for conflicts that can be prevented? since you are a conservative i bet you are pro-life.. but consider this? One of the reasons crime has gone down nationally in the United States of America is because pregnancies that were prevented, and these fetuses that would the majority would end up being criminals and killing one or several people. Do a little research and you will concluded that’s one reason crime has gone down, research has proved this. I ain’t say that if a women is 4 or 5 months pregnant that she should abort, at that stage she should consider adoption. Also we should be helping prevent these pregnancies by educating these people. giving them the tools to prevent these unwanted pregnancies and diseases for that matter.
Now you would say you are pro life but there has been nearly 5000 soldiers dead by choosing a president that went to war, an ilegal war by US and International Standards, hundreds of thousands dead in Iraq creating more hate towards the US, what would you say if a country came here and decided that they will free the U.S. from capitalism? We have thousands of troops disable and they come back to the country without proper healthcare and they become bums, asking for money, they come distorted because of the effects of war and for the reason that they are not properly treated. How many must die for Wars? you say you are pro life shouldn’t you be preventing war instead of encouraging it? shouldn’t we be prevending the death of the living? think about that, don’t just think about your issues, think about the international issues, because we know McCain wan’t to Bomb Iran, and he does not want to resolved the issues with Russia (Even if Russia were the evil they used to be during the first cold War, they never provoked Georgia, Georgia attacked -look it up)
We need to resolved the tenssion in the world and McCain ain’t doing that! contrary to that he wants War it has been noted and to his promises, which he has said a townhall meeting, that they will be more Wars and even perhaps 100 years. Vote your concious on the overal state of the world and not your selfish issues. Of course i do agree with many of your issues but not to be enforced on people that choose not to! or why do we call this great country the land of the free? because we can make you do what the christians do? Mind you i am a catholic raised individual and I have those moral values. But does it not say that you have free will? that you do your choosing? why do you try to enforced that upon others? I don’t think you should.
Why do you think that the world’s opinion wants Barrack Obama for president? aren’t we all humans? aren’t we suppose to treat each other with respect and live peacefully? the world choose Obama because he is not a jump the gun and shoot type of guy. The world have as much at stake as we do because when a Atomic War I breaks out and I mean a full Atomic War, do you know how many dead people will die? it will make the jewish holocaust look like a walk in the park. So yeah vote your conscious but know this and mark my words there will be war should McCain be elected president. I said it in 1999 about Bush and I was not wrong. Do i have powers,no but my intuition never fails me. Remember that you will vote and will have to live with the consequences.
Since your guys have failed so miserably at doing there part let the other team try, because if you keep pushing you are only digging a bigger hole. You guys are so much fanatics with your conservative base that it resembles Islamic fanatics.
I thank you sir for treating us with respect, I hope i did not offend you in any way.
my comment was in reference to bcain
September 5th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Wow…you represent your party well. I’m supporting Obama, but win or lose…if
it’s people like you (educated) that take McCain into the White House, I can live
with that.
As McCain’s running mate Palin would be a heartbeat away from Presidency. That, my friend scares every thinking person in the world.
Really? And you have surveyed each and everyone of them? I don’t recall anyone having heartburn when Dan Quayle was a ‘heartbeat’ away from the Presidency.
Oooh, Eddiepscetti! You need to reconsider that comment. There was quite a bit of “heartburn” over Dan Quayle. Are you kidding me? I think the Republican Party has effectively trumped Dan Quayle with the choice of Governor Palin.
Well, I was ready to give Palin a chance but when she and McCain giddily insulted community organizers, who paved the way for women in politics, they signaled that the gloves are off. Sarah Palin is in no way, shape, or form ready for VP and McCain has made a very poor choice, which shows his judgement. When they approved the ad that tries to falsely portray Obama as wanting to teach kindergartners the details about sex, that’s where I draw the line. That’s a personal attack on my candidate, Obama, and opens the door to more of the same.
Wow, I wrote this thing last week and kind of forgot about it…turns out people were paying attention! I’m glad there are so many of you that are sick to death of all the mudslinging, It’s really gotten out of hand. After reading through a few of your comments, I wanted to express a few more thoughts:
My choices never reflected on them whatsoever. I imagine many of you are the same way.
-We really need to stop choosing such small, insignificant details to pick on these people with. (i.e. Obama saying there were 57 states, Biden telling a man in a wheelchair to stand up, etc.) Obama was tired, Biden was trying to honor a good man, and let’s drop it. Same goes for Palin’s family issue with her daughter’s pregnancy. I don’t know about you, but I was having sex when I was a teenager, and my parents are FANTASTIC people. (If my father was running for president, I bet you’d love him
I don’t really think that anyone’s vote is going to change, if they’re passionate enough about this election that they’re posting on message boards one way or the other. (Not do I really consider THIS message board to be the most effective way to get your ideas across.) I’ve done the research, I know what I stand for and who I want to elect, and many of you do too. I’m not a bitter, religion-loving, gun toting small town girl, I just know what matters to me and know who I want as my leaders. It doesn’t make me wrong, it doesn’t make you right, it just means different things appeal to each of us. One person might consider the economy the #1 priority, others might want to end abortion. Some might think having a woman VP is just about the coolest thing ever, others might be thrilled to have a black president. Regardless, they are voting for what is important in their eyes, and who are we to judge it?
And for the record: “Drill, baby, drill” was just about the dumbest chant I’ve ever heard, and Obama’s homemade presidential seal is just….wrong. Neither side is perfect, it’s time we stop pretending that they are.
bcain,
Sarah Palin’s record, experience, and political views are EXTREMELY relevant “issues here”, considering how old John McCain is. She SHOULD be highly scrutinized when the presidential candidate is in his 70’s with a father and grandfather who both died i their 60’s/70’s. His choice of her as a running mate has swayed this moderate away from him.
Thank you, Rartsch.
The reason Palin matters is because John McCain could die while he is president (He is 72 years old, and has had cancer, and spent 5 years in harsh conditions)., Palin could become our President, and that is incredibly scary to consider. Palin is significant.
here is my concern:
John McCain is 72 and not in great health
He has appointed Sarah Palin as his running mate.
There are so many things about Gov Palin which are troubling and disturbing that I feel it is my duty to inform as many voters as possible about her policies and record and philosophies.
Further, the reports of voter suppression and caging coming out of OH VA FLA MI WI should be infuriating and disturbing to every American.
These practices are profoundly UnAmerican!!!!!
Bull.
I supported McCain in 2000 — back then I thought he was a man of honor.
He has dishonored himself with this campaign of lies.
It is no longer a choice between two honorable men. There is one honorable man, and one man who has sacrificed everything he was and everything he stood for in order to become president.
McCain is lying sack of horsebiscuits.
Last year, on the hypothetical, my friends (Dems and Repubs) were asked which Republican candidate they would vote for under the premise that a Republican candidate would be seated in the Whitehouse, all, excepting 1, picked Mc Cain. Me too!
the sample size was >40. That was because the rest of the elephant field looked seriously whacked. It is clear that the press is doing the rough work of vetting Palin, and it is not wrong. Maybe Mc Cain should have been more thorough. My problem with the POW (just like every time Juliani would talk you would hear 911) is his flip/flop on torture, his flip/flop on taxes, his flip/flop on women’s reproductive rights, his flip/ flop on immigration…..his flip/flop on corporate bail outs (like the Keating 5). The campaign can be responsible for tasteless adds, vile adds and lies, but I actually struggle with where the end responsibility falls…. and the flip flops. I have concluded that we do have 2 Americas, Democrats and evangelicals. Mc Cain has sidled up to the evangelicals for political support, and any Republican who votes for Mc Cain is now beholden and subject to the evangelical bent. This means that the Republican party is controlled by a whacko faction which holds the reigns and any vote for the reds is a god vote, an evangelical policy that conflicts with the separation of church and state.
I would have agreed completely with you – up until the incredibly dishonorable and lying advertisements McCain has begun running in the last few weeks. I wrote various posts and emails like yours over the past months, but I feel like McCain’s campaign has willingly sacrificed the man’s good name in order to win this election. Its tragic, and bad for everyone – the country, the Democrats, the Republicans, the world – everyone.
I do not have respect for McCain’s patriotism. I expect that from an American.
I understand he was broken by the VietCong and told everything he knew.
Surviving prison proves nothing.
He is a walking PTSD. He has blown up and ranted at European dignitaries.
We are seen as a fool for even considering him, let alone Palin.
I wholeheartedly agree. I do not think the Republican party is for either America or Americans. I think they have quite another agenda.
“By their fruits shall you know them.” (from holy book of the Christian faith)
The fruits of the Republicans are that the country does less well, that not only do we go into debt but we go into extreme debt.
The fruits of the Republicans are that government increases, making a lie out of their principles.
The fruits of the Republicans are the grossest sort of corruptions.
The fruit of the Republicans is social disorder, mutual mistrust, exploitation and death of Americans, and aggression on the international front.
And I haven’t begun to touch the economic side.
Their agenda is disorder and chaos, suppression of the common man and woman and destruction of the American Way as set forward in the Constitution of these United States.
(A note about my personal morality: I find it immoral to think that there is another world more important than this one. Got the picture, Xtians?)
All who can read,
First off I would like to apologize for any redundancies in regards to posts from other people.
The issue here is simply just that. Issues; a failing economy, shady health-care companies, inexplicably high gas prices, a nation with an average intelligence slipping into barbarism, the realization that no resource on this planet is infinite. These are important concerns that most Americans share with one another. Both parties advocate change in all areas, both parties make personal attacks on each other, both parties are, believe it or not, human.
Our main concern in selecting which one of these admirable persons should represent us to the world should be what are they going to do for us. The presidency is a civil service position; he or she should not be regarded and revered as a “rock star/ celebrity.” Whether they are black/white/brown/yellow/green is irrelevant. Whether they are old or young, male or female, is again, irrelevant. Why does it matter if a candidate is Muslim, Christian, Irish Catholic, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist? These are all irrelevant. They all speak the same message, why does it matter who brings it so long as you get the message. Our main concern should be why is this person qualified based on what they have achieved in their life; their character.
This as with all of life on this planet is all a social construction. Everyone will have a different take on the matter because of past experiences that have influenced their construction of the situation between Obama and McCain and who they will vote for.
If I had complete say in who the next executive of this country should be, I would choose a neo-conservative fascist to DICTATE the future of this country. Why the hell…?! Simply it would bring about realization of how stupid petty arguments over semantics really are. It would be similar to a political revelation if you will. You don’t know what you have until you no longer have it.
Neither of the candidates are qualified to be president. Fact of the matter is, what constitutes a “qualified” president? Every one may have similar ideas, but they will all give different answers. Therefore, no one is really qualified. It comes down to what is important to you? A war hero? Or a man of academia? A man who served his community in a cage? Or a man who turned down six figure offers from law firms to help people to unite for change in their community?
“Politics is the art of drawing lines. Where do you draw the line and for who?”
– Dr. Rick Hardy, Department of Political Science, Western Illinois University
Sincerely,
Wammathorius
bcain – i like your pragmatism. But let’s get real, did you see how mccain responded to this crisis? and the lying he’s doing about Obama and then saying in interviews that he knows obama didn’t call Palin a pig. Look up the nov. 2007 interview it’s on youtube and they’re asking him questions about the economy. It’s scary that I know more about how the economy and most importantly right now how the financial markets work then he does. this is macro-econ 101 stuff.
You sound extremely confused. It would probably be a waste of time trying to help you understand how wrong you are. Sad.
You can’t make the argument that we McCain is a model citizen and therefore a good candidate, and then say it is inapproprate to discuss his character. McCain is NOT a model citizen. He left his first family after returning from Vietnam, having met Cindy, whom he was dating while still married. He has also cheated on Cindy, who is so afraid of him she has chosen to keep herself entirely hidden from him – hiding her drug addiction, flying lessons, and even adopting a child! He doesn’t seem like much of a family man to me. And the reason we are looking at Palin is Mc Cain is an old man with malignant melanoma! His odds of being alive in 8 years are NOT GOOD. So I am sorry if that is harsh, but we are looking at a Palin presidency. The Republicans can’t continue to run on ethics and family values and religion without being able to hold themselves up as examples of those values. They have made it personal by running on a platform of dictating values to American citizens, while being unable to live them. We have had enough.
In these precarious times, who do you want in the White House? Someone who admittedly knows nothing about economics, has flipped flopped all over the place as far as what he thinks, or someone who has a Harvard Degree, has real experience, and is not 73 years old with a vice-presidential candidate who knows nothing? Just being a war veteran, or a POW doesn’t automatically give you the right credentials to steer this country into calm waters. He continues to follow the Bush doctrine, shrouds himself and his running mate in secrecy – the press does not have open access, only the press that agrees with him – Isn’t this how we got where we are now?
Please, It is time for people to really think of what’s best for the country, not themselves.
You’re asking for them to overcome articles of faith and the bones of saints there…
Democrate bad, expensive
Republican good, tax cuts
Truth – Both bollocks, they’re both greed and corrupt, but they’re all you have…
I just read your comment randomly and totally agree with you. I am a conservative democrat and am voting for Obama. But, it is always nice to hear sane people out there that don’t make biased, ignorant comments on blogs. I respect both candidates very much and appreciate that there are people out there that realize both candidates love our country and only want the best. Take care
you’re on pot, aren’t you?
mccain’s vietnam service is deserving of respect. however, i don’t think this makes him a good presidential candidate. and sarah palin’s ignorance is dangerous. and choosing her is such a lowest common denominator move that it’s almost crazy enough to work.
and that makes me sad for the country.
i agree with your comment and you seem very intelligent. people are getting off track with what matters more here. im for obama but i still respect your common sence.
I am completely with you in regards to the need for less name-calling and more attention to the truth and good traits of each candidate. Regardless of who gets elected, the next President (or ANY president for that matter) deserves completely our respect, even if we don’t agree with that individual.
Think about it: say the guy you want to be president doesn’t get into office. If his opponent, who does become president, were to visit your school or office or community for a meet-and-greet or some other type of goodwill encounter, it is unlikely that you would deny the honor of meeting and spending time with the President of the United States of America. Hell, I was not a big fan of former President Clinton, but if he were to have come to my school or area for a similar event to the aforementioned hypothetical situation, I would have grabbed hold the situation.
Just a thought…
I do respect his service in vietnam. I dont feel hes the right person @ this time to lead. but i do respect his service and i think all the vietnam vets got a raw deal coming back. I’m just glad we have for the most part, grown as a society enough to not make the same mistakes we (as a country) make then by welcoming the soldiers home from Iraq w/o incident.
Why are Obama and Palin compared? Because she is one 72 year old’s heartbeat away from being president. She is the the prime evidence to McCain’s lack of good judgment.
This reply (and the majority of this thread in general) have been FAR TOO CIVIL AND REASONABLE for an internet discussion. Opinions being presented are rational and even-tempered, and respectful of all sides of the debate.
Thus, I am calling SHENANIGANS. THIS IS THE INTERNET, PEOPLE! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!!?
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Bcain,
I am so glad you are saying this. There are two good, solid Americans running for president, and how can you go wrong there. I don’t agree with John McCain’s policies, much as I suspect that you don’t agree with Obama’s, but that’s what democracy is about. Personal attacks are not helpful. McCain is a good man, even if I’m not going to vote for him. I respect him for what he’s been able to do for this country.
j
So McCain survived being a PoW. That makes him a ‘hero’? How about I go pop a few caps into people, get into jail and become a PoBBJ. Prisoner of Big Black Jack. That gonna make me a hero when I get out?
yeh! i agree with you… wonder why no one says just because mccain is chrsitain, he is a jew killer
I just stumbled onto this site. Bcain, I love your post. I respect your comments. It’s nice to know that you a person from a different party can respect the opposing candidate. I’m liberal, and I respect McCain. I’ve respected McCain as a candidate since 2000. If a Republican had to be in office, I would have loved it to be Sen. McCain as opposed to Bush.
i agree man. i hate the fact u not for obama
People were comparing Obama and Plain because McCain is just so dang old he’d never finish four years.
I am a very strong Obama supporter, and I am glad he won because I think he’ll make a better president. But I have a great deal of respect for McCain. He showed his true qualities in the dignity and honesty of his concession speech. I know he was mortified when some of the onlookers booed, because that is not what he is about and he should not be judged by those idiots. I don’t want him for president, but I’d have him for a friend.
lol, u americans have so stupid problems:D
I think you’ll find that us foreign Johnnies have equally stupid problems, for equally corrupt reasons… so I’d keep the ’silly yankies’ shtick down to a dull roar…
I think stipa has got the “dull” down pat, so there’s a start…
At last a mature comment!! McCain, I respect alot, but I felt his time had passed. I’m glad there is at least one Republican who can accept Oboma and not launch a vitriolic tirade against him. Please tell me there are other Republicans with similar views!! If not democracy is fucked!!
shut up you!
Why?
Wow… uncalled for rant?
You are a good person, don’t ever change
I’m just so sick of the way the republican side is trying to play it like it is a game here. Im not so stupid to think McBush choose Palin out of his hard work and knowledge of her ethics and politics.come on desperate move out of desperate measures. I by no means think man woman black white who cares just best for the job here at hand, and well She is not best for the job nor is McBush. Yes i value the fact you got taken a sa POW. but seriously that doesn’t give you qualifications to be prez….. just means you couldn’t fly a plane and couldn’t escape capture. that sucks and i praise you for supporting your country but what you did seven thousand vampire years ago doesn’t make you the right guy for a changing world…
I certainly hope so, Obama! The fact that this whole lipstick comment MISCONCEPTION exists and is being taken advantage of by the GOP and that people are buying it scares the shit out of me! The fact that Sarah Palin is even a candidate to step foot in that White House scares the shit out of me. (Quoting her here: “Someone has to answer this question for me first: What is it the Vice President does all day?” SHE ACTUALLY SAID THAT).
So I certainly hope you got it, man! You’re the one we need, now go out there and kick some ass and win this f*cking thing!!
Jelly beans – O is a looser and will never make it. He may not have specifically have called her a pig, but every one literally everyone knows what he meant, except, of course, the libs in the media but they never “get it.”
So what did McCain mean when he called Hilary’s health care plan, “putting lipstick on a pig”?
Love your comments, but I really do not believe, that peoples minds will be changed here, nor in any other discussion platforms. At it’s worst it’s just some more mud slinging of the haters. I would like to believe in a progressive development in our country, but we are far from ready. Actually we are moving backwards. This country has to be all into pieces until the last person has to give up his home and is desperate for change. Life is still too good.
(@ jellybeans)
Palin = The Devil’s advocate
Somebody ripped my Obama bumper sticker off of my car. I guess that’s how some Republicans operate in this country.
That is just annoyingly stupid to do. I don’t like McCain but I am not into tearing up people’s stuff over it…
Most importantly, we have a federal govt. from FDR that has “created jobs” and controling a wily capitalism, that the govt. has control in the profit and who benefits? If a govt. can offer so much and in turn do so by having the power to take all that you have,then our issues are much greater than our lobbyists controlling foreign policy. Or is it the same jokers that are educating our kids keeping us ignorant by preoccupying us with virtual war games and invisible money? The problem I have with people in politics is they know they are in the limelight and should pay better to get better researched subjects instead of speaking out of their ass. But maybe that is their way of making us delve into reading and finding out more to become more aware. It is our time to act on so many things. Lobbyist are groups of people that can influence the right people. The more we talk and insist on being heard the more something will get done! But Hillary needed to be there. She has been there and if we needed a change it is to have the bosom of a warrior flapping in this wind. I wish all great hope, because only in America can we be free.
well i’m pretty sure its obama who needs his lies exposed. whats up with him giving biden the choice to be vp? thats soo corrupt. plus, he already said that he’s not a miracle worker and nothing will change within his first term, which makes me laugh because he thinks he’ll actually get elected a second term.
I’m happy you laugh so easily. Why don’t you try it without your hands down
your jeans, hmm?
Also unable to use the shift key…
and why is giving Biden the ‘choice’ “soo”(sic) corrupt?
FTW!
You wish.
“Stop Panicking ! I know we’re losing!”
“Change! Hope!… uh WTF!”
Too bad the numbers don’t support your assertion.
Yup, I’m eager to see the next round of polls that come out, but last I checked, he was leading nation wide and in all the battle ground states.
Your numbers are not like our Earth numbers.
Oh unless by “he” you mean Obama; I incorrectly assumed you were the OP in that thread.
Sorry, amateur.
Yeah, according to electoral – vote . com (remove the spaces for a working link), Obama has 301 electoral votes (according to polls within the last week), and McCain has 224, with 13 (Virginia) tied. If you eliminate states where there’s a margin of less than 5%, Obama has 260 electoral votes to McCain’s 165. And contrary to all these claims about the Democrats “panicking”, about 25 electoral votes (I’m not sure which states, except I know Ohio is one) have gone from McCain to Obama since the RNC began (and since McCain chose Palin as his running mate).
I wonder about these numbers, no one has ever asked anyone i know who they are voting for. Just saying, where do these numbers come from?
One of the polls is Zogby, and if you sign up on their website they’ll send you periodic surveys to fill out, and you could be one of the number.
As for the others…maybe their asses?
Heh, yeah he does. For a party that likes to talk about God so much, the Repubs don’t have a prayer.
Beware the parties that make god the center of their campaigns. That’s some scary shit right there.
Beware the politician who makes god/religion the cornerstone of his campaign. No good can come of it.
Yeh. Like dose peecefl Muzalims.
The Dems are really desperate- go pick on her kid with Down’s like a nice little Liberal !
Wow… who has picked on her downsyndrome child?
Going over the line FTL!
You’re really Jellybean, aren’t you?
nope. I’m new.
no, I post under my own name (well, my cat’s name but still …) I have the courage of my convictions – how about you?
But I do believe Down’s Syndrome babies should be aborted, they are a drain on our new shining society we are creating.
Real or fake Jellybean ?
I have a cat named jellybeans!
How do we know that the cat isn’t leaving these comments posing as you using its name? Say something nice about a goggie and we’ll know its not your cat.
I do have a cat named Jellybeans, I have one named Skittles too.
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My brother has a rescue greyhound named Booney. He is a great nephew dog and he spends most of my visits with his head on my knee begging for food or petting … either one.
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I would never say babies SHOULD be aborted except in the extreme cases that they know the child has a terminal, painful disease that will mean the baby would live it’s whole life in extreme pain.
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Downs syndrome children and adults live productive, happy lives, saying that they should be aborted under someone else’s name is a terribly sick thing to do.
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I don’t believe abortion is birth control. I believe women should have the CHOICE. I also believe the country needs to do more (via health care and social programs) to help make sure a woman doesn’t have to make that choice. Teach sex ed in schools. Make birth control affordable and teach kids that abstinence is the wise course BUT give them the knowledge of biology and birth control as well.
To point out the unspoken truth: even if Roe V. Wade is overturned, there will still be abortions. Just as before, divided along socio-economic boundaries, women will either have the option of seeing a doctor that will dilate her cervix then scrape her uterus, or she’ll be forced to back alley with either a rusty coathanger or an orange juice and bleach douche.
Herb, you make a very good point. I am against abortion, I
think it is a sin. However, I believe that it should be legal. There
is a famous book I’ve read called “Cider House Rules” by
John Irving, and it opened my eyes. Lets say that you’re a
doctor who happens to know how to perform an abortion, but
you also know it is illegal. You have just been approached by a
woman who is desperate to have an abortion. If you had a
conscience, you would realize that you very possibly hold this
woman’s life in your hands. What if you stood behind the law
and sent her away? you could be sentencing her to take her
chances with some hack who lacks the expertise. Even worse,
she could make the attempt herself. Who knows. I am of the
belief that the majority of women don’t approach the subject
of abortion lightly, especially when it could be theirs.
Surely most women who have made that hard decision must
not have come to it easily, it is fighting the most powerful of
maternal instincts. She must have her reasons. They could
be quite varied.
Regardless, you would have to be aware that performing
the abortion would be an effective way to save her life,
assuming that she is determined to have the abortion. I bet
going to a doctor and asking him/her to kill her baby/ interrupt
her pregnancy, whatever, requires substantial resolve.
So, what do you do? You know she’s bound and determined
to end the life of the child inside her. You have no idea if there
is anyone else both qualified and willing to do it, and she tells
you that she’s GOING to get it done, one way or another.
Do you report her to the police? is that actually going to help
her? Sure it will ensure the future/ continued life of her child,
but what about her? what about the here and now? the woman
in front of you? How are you going to help HER? Does getting
her thrown in a facility help HER? Or are YOU deciding what
would be best for her? Is it her choice, or yours? What would
be the right decision? A tough one, for sure….
Now let’s imagine abortion is/ remains legal. You, the esteemed
doctor, could in clear conscience, tell her that you believe
abortion is a sin, and that she can get hosed. You say this, knowing
full well that her life is in good hands, and that she will be well
taken care of, regardless of her choice. Is this passing the buck,
allowing sin to be done? Of course it is. but we cannot be held
responsible for someone else’s informed choice to do evil, right? The
best you can do for this woman is try to guide her in the right
direction, and pray that she makes the right choice, and if she
doesn’t, that God be with her and show her mercy. I choose
to leave it up to him. I am of the belief that we are all God’s
children, and that it is very wrong for the woman to have the life of
her child ended, but I also care about the woman right in front
of me, begging me to help her, filled with shame and fear over
what she is about to do. I am of the firm and unshakable
belief that that woman is every bit as human and valuable as
the fetus in her belly, a belief that many fellow christians do
not seem to share. I say take care of the woman first, for she
is already here, and is here to stay. All pregnancies are not
certain to come to fruition. A tough call to make, but one I make
nonetheless, for that baby belongs to God and HER. NOT me.
It is not my right to decide. And thankfully, I do not, in the
current state of affairs, feel pressured to make that most difficult
of decisions. Congress has made it for us.
I love and hate that stance. I can understand that position as a doctor but I have problems with it coming from the pharmacist who won’t dispense birth control pills while having no issue with Viagra.
I appreciate religious beliefs but I don’t appreciate people not doing their full job because of them. Rather nasty bit of personal confliction whenever I read this viewpoint.
I don’t object to teaching abstinence–it’s a hundred percent effective. But abstinence ONLY doesn’t work–just ask Bristol Palin. Better we arm our kids with FACTS and our personal values, and know that if they act against our values they will at least have the knowledge to do it safely!
I want my children to have information and choices. I’d hate to think of someone getting an abortion as a form of birth control–if you can’t handle a kid, I think adoption is the better route–but I want my daughter, when she is an adult, to have that choice to make, not have it forced upon her, should she have an unplanned pregnancy.
Yes, you can’t spot the obvious trolling and extreme hyperbole. No wonder you’re a republican.
now now, that’s not fair!
Nobody has, dumbass.
You just have to ignore Megabob, he never has anything relevent, reasonable or intelligent to say. Most of his linguistic spewings consist of little more than personal attacks and grade school quality insults.
Can dish it out but you can’t take it, huh?
What pisses you guys off so much is that I intentionally act like the Liberals on this site- and you hate it !
I’m just a lightening rod for your hate !
And what liberal acts like you?
You, to begin with ?
Uh … what?
You’re disgusting, no one except for a few trolls on the internet ever picked on the baby. Are you really Karl Rove?
Karl Rove, the guy who lead a smear campaign back in 2000 insinuating that McCain’s daughter was illegitimate instead of adopted? Klassy huh? McCain is an idiot for taking Rove’s money and advice now.
you can’t parade your family on stage, praise your son for fighting in Iraq, talk about having a DS child, and then declare your family off limits- if you’re going to make your family values part of you campaign, then your pregnant unwed daughter deserves scrutiny. o’reilly, etc. blasted jamie lynn spears, calling her parents immoral and irresponsible, so what’s the difference here?? because she’s a republican? because you’re losing? talk about desperate….
But Michelle is off limits… apparently… Don’t criticize her, or you’ll get a mouthful, even though she’s one of the big decision makers and major influences on the life of her husband. That shouldn’t matter, right?
And ignore her racist comments, kickbacks from programs steered her companies way by hubby, no no no- she’s untouchable !
racist comments???? what???
Watch the “Whitey” video sometime
if you can produce the video or provide a link to it, i’ll gladly watch it.
It’s all over YouTube. Take two seconds to look.
but does she actually say that? i never have been able to find that one… it may be a myth
Naw. I was just saying that it’s so ridiculous right now, with ‘everyone’ claiming to have the footage!!!1one!! Don’t believe it’s a myth – I think there’s a soundbyte floating around somewhere, but no video that I’m aware of.
i did look and couldn’t find it. post the link.
It was a (poor) joke. YouTube is awash with fake videos all claiming to be ‘the one’. It’s a hopeless search.
Strewth, mate! Y’nearly had *me* lookin’, there.
Some people just won’t believe without looking.
To date no one’s been able to produce any “whitey” video or audio or even third-hand eyewitness account.
That doesn’t stop this educated lot from claiming it as fact…
Well, if the Liberal press would ask Michelle and investigate it, that would be a nice start. Oh, wait- she’s a democrat and therefore untouchable.
Guess you can’t slap them then. Too bad, so sad.
It is a myth. The rumors around June 1 all said the “other shoe was going to drop” around June 2. Then June 3. Then June 4. Then….just give us a minute guys, we’ll find that darn tape….. Then it was that she’d said “Why’d he,” referring to GW Bush, not “whitey.” Then the whole video drama sort of disappeared. The only people keeping the rumor alive are internet trolls.
Do your own internet investigation (I learned all this in 5 min). A YouTube search for the video pulls up all spoofs and a “Rick Roll.”
Besides, Larry Johnson started the rumor and he’s not the most reliable source.
If Barack Obama didn’t defend his wife, people would say “what a jerk, that guy won’t even stick up for his wife”. For the record, Obama and Biden said to leave people’s families out of it and haven’t attacked her family at all. But Palin ought to accept that if the media wants to talk about her, they will, when you’re in the public eye, every aspect of your life is under scrutiny. Everyone else campaigning this year underwent it, if she wants to be VP she can too.
If she didn’t want to be ridiculed, she shouldn’t have spoken out so wrecklessly in the first place.
No kidding, he should be much further along in the polls right now, but he’s not. It’s her fault in my opinion, no real American identifies with her anger and bitterness when she probably lives better than most in this country. She tried to make up for it at the convention but it’s a little too late, cat’s out of the bag.
What anger and bitterness? Could you provide sound?
No, I’m talking out of my ass like I always do.
This wasn’t me, again people – it’s not right to do this…
Now I don’t tend to agree with Ema, but please, don’t post under someone elses name, have the balls/ovarian fortitude to post under your own name when you slam other people.
Second. Grow a pair a quit this passive-aggressive shtick.
Third. I mat disagree with ema on most points, but I don’t recall being called a stupid libtard by her, so come on, treat her with some respect people.
Real Ema, I think I can officially put you in the same category as Eddiepscetti, People who I usually don’t agree with what they say, but how they say it.
wrecklessly, heh.
Right…..wrecklessly. What she said was taken out of context, even Laura Bush said so. She did well at the convention and even right-wingers like Mike Huckabee thought she did well.
If you can see her speak and read her words and think she’s an angry, bitter person, and not a tough and loving wife and mom, then nothing I or anyone can say on here will make a difference to you.
I could say the same thing to you about Palin, couldn’t I?
Yes, you could. I’ve said I respect her for being feisty, and for what she’s accomplished in her life so far. BUT, her positions on many things are so opposite my own, she is so far right of most of America (and I will admit that I lean further left) that I don’t see myself ever supporting her. I also think that while her speech certainly fired up the base, she took the low road in making a lot of attacks. I don’t think people should make sexist comments about her, or below the belt remarks about her family, certainly not in political debate, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to like her. My main problem is that people say Michelle Obama is angry and unAmerican because she’s not just like them. It’s fine if you don’t agree with her, but one side doesn’t get to determine who is “American”. We all are, even if we’re frustrated with our country at a given moment, even if we acknowledge our country’s flaws, we’re all Americans.
It’s not about whether or not I agree with her it’s whether or not she resonates with a majority of the voters, which in my opinion she does not. That’s what would have gotten votes for her husband. That was my point.
I believe we come to an interesting difference of opinion/experience, because I feel that Michelle Obama does resonate with people. more so than Cindy McCain. She’s a regular woman from a blue-collar background. She was lucky enough to have some opportunities many don’t have (or don’t want, not everyone has to go to college), but that doesn’t change where she comes from.
But I don’t necesarily agree that wives get votes for their husbands, because no one expects the first lady to run things.
The heiress calling the working mom an elitist gives me brain pain.
Yeah, that really made no sense to me, and still doesn’t.
I am so glad I missed that but unfortunately now I have a tumor for catching up. Oww ow ow…
except with Clinton
“My main problem is that people say Michelle Obama is angry and unAmerican because she’s not just like them.”
I say that MO is angry and unAmerican because she is. Has nothing to do with who she is like.
The proof for this is a deliberately misquoted line and a phantom viedo clip, right?
I wonder if you understand that “sup” was making a pun and catching a spelling error. The correct spelling of the word, in the sense “TheLarrikin” used it, is “recklessly.”
“Wrecklessly” is not a “real” word, but it is a funny, punny misspelling in this context!
Not an error. I try.
You mean, said something that could be taken severely out of context and spun all to the Great Lord Bejesus and back by idiot rightwing hacks in the press?
Yes. EVERYTHING she said was taken COMPLETELY out of context. I BELIEVE YOU!! *sigh*
Irony there of course is that the Spears family are all Republicans.
Don’t make me come after you real hot, real hard, and real heavy with my Internet techno dick!!!
Yeah, because no underage girl has become pregnant before. This is a travesty!
Bill O’reilly was right to blast Lynne Spears. Look at the train wreck Britany is. Then Lynne’s 16 year old daughter turns up preggo. Asa matter of fact, Lynne’s new book allegedly outlines several secrets about Brit. Such as, Brit started drinking at 13, drugs at 15, was caught with cocaine and pot at 16, and even mis-lead J. Timberlake into believing she was a virgin when they got together. I can tell you this much, my parents would have killed me for that shit.
So, what I hear you saying is that McCain should have tapped Britney Spears for running mate? Is that right?
I bet she excites his base.
O’Reilly is one of those people who is technically on my side; I just wish he wasn’t. You have ‘em, too . . .
Like?
There’s only one person I can see using a Down’s syndrome baby to try and score political points here.
Who is picking on her kid, Bob? Why do you have to lie to try to make your opponents look bad, don’t you have anything real you could use? The only issue people have is with a woman who preaches abstinence only sex education, who has a pregnant teenager. It just shows how unworkable abstinence is as a policy. No one is picking on the kid, we’re just saying, the facts show the woman supports an ideology that doesn’t work, even in her own family.
Really? Have you looked at Vote lately? Lots of smearing of the child.
Everytime I think you Libs can’t sink any lower, you do.
True !
False!
you mean like the repubs criticizing a man for taking a low pay job where the reward is to make his community better? yes, let’s criticize obama for working in a faith based project with the goal of providing people with jobs and making their neighborhood a safer and cleaner place to live. luckily only a few people were making fun of someone for trying to make his community better. it’s a good thing there wasn’t a whole group of rich white people cheering in agreement. wait, oh shit.
Maybe if the libs sink low enough they can finally reach your level?
“libs” could never reach the depths of Rove- remember the “McCain black baby out of wedlock” smear in the 2000 campaign? it just ain’t gonna work this time. i’m sure they’ll pull all the racist and “muslim” accusations they can think of, but we’re savvy to their ways. just ain’t gonna work.
Why is McCain buds with Rove after what Rove pulled back in 2000? Is he that desperate for money?
Hehe. Stupid troll is stupid.
You just don’t get it. Abstinence works *every time it is used.* That the girl became pregnant does not change that fact. Condoms and contraceptives *usually* work, but people forget or ignore them, too, with the same results.
Now, how about looking at the character involved in owning up to having created a life, carrying it to term and planning a future for the child, instead of eliminating the ‘inconvenience’.
It’s great that she had that cute little boy. I just wonder who is going to give him all the extra attention and care he needs – her husband, children and nannys? I have nothing against “working women”, but big career and FIVE kids is hypocritical to me. Her daughters pregnancy is another shot in her foot. So much for preaching abstinence.
Someone should say something. She had the choice to deliver this child or not and her platform is to take away everyone else’s right to make the same decision.
And she delivered the child. Her beliefs didn’t give her a choice, even when society did. I think that’s kind of how she stands on the matter.
Yes, and because she believes something, she thinks that it’s right to force everybody else to do the same thing. That’s the problem.
And by what godlike means did you come by this information? Please cite sources.
Um, she wants to repeal Roe vs. Wade. Look anywhere.
*I* want Roe v Wade overturned (not repealed, as you erroneously state). Any constitutionalist does because of the way it was implemented; the Supreme Court had no business arrogating to themselves the duties of the Legislative branch of the United States government.
And, in fact, Sarah Palin will not have a role in it either. Any change will be implemented again by the Supremes.
Do you know what would happen if the court did reverse itself? The matter would be given to the states, which is where it belonged in the first place. Something in the Constitution about states’ rights.
BTW, did you know that, according to this article (http://www.feministcampus.org/act/prescribechoice/mifepristone.asp) by feministcampus.org, abortions are administered in only 14% of counties in the US? That says a lot about how the people of this country really feel about the matter. I can understand your uneasiness.
I dunno… That whole right over your own body thing seems to piss on the idea of states making that call for their people when the federal government can just say that all women have the choice and be done with it…
We see what a fiasco the gay marriage is because states are making decisions instead of a widesweeping allowance for people to make a choice in who they marry.
I always go for more rights instead of less but I am a crazy fucker like that.
You mean the fact that before she herself had a special needs kid she slashed the special needs budget in Alaska by 62% but now claims she will be an advocate for special needs?
Damn those truth speaking people!
Who has targeted her children? Especially her son with Downs? You are wrong. NO ONE has “picked” on her children. You are looking for a reason to dislike Obama. Try educating yourself and get the FACTS!
I’m going to learn as I go.
ha!
Experience takes too long to accrue. Jump in head first, and you’ll die! Or maybe survive. But not without being beaten so badly, and returning to town with no hi-potions left and, like, 20 HP.
You realize you described Palin more than Obama, right? The experience debate is now out the window, and I still maintain regardless that Obama is more experienced and has surrounded himself with experienced individuals, ie Biden and his policy advisors.
But Palin’s not running the country… And even if she were, who’s to say who her advisors/VP would be?
Right, she could always ask Biden to be her VP!
Only she COULD be president *if* McCain wins and anything happens to him. As it is he seems to want her involved a great deal, and that, makes me and many others nervous. Polls, for whatever they’re worth, and they’re not the end all be all, show that 50 percent of Americans polled don’t believe she’s qualified.
But if Biden were running for President, with Obama at his side, do you think the same sentiments would be shared? And if not, why not? He’s not so much more qualified than she. I’m in general disappointed in this election, so nothing you say will really upset me. I’m just presenting discussion points.
Dammit. That smiley is too smiley for my current mindset. *sigh*
I don’t think the same sentiments would be shared because I think that Obama is more experienced than her. In any case, he has experience that I prefer, which is experience at the national level, and started from grass roots, to being a state senator of a very populous city and state, to representing a larger constituency in the U.S. senate.
I’m not trying to poo poo Alaska, but Alaska seems to be a very different place with different issues from most of America. I don’t know that running a small town, and then governing a small state is really enough experience to make the jump to the highest offices in the land.
Finally, whatever people say, Obama is rather centrist, more so than HRC. Throughout his career he has made bipartisan efforts, cosponsered bills with republicans, and through his writing makes his willingness to re-evaluate his positions and listen to all sides clear. Palin holds some very extreme right wing beliefs, and her questionable record, the ethics investigation, censorship, etc, make me nervous.
What bills has the man cosponsored??? As far as I can see he has done not one thing but run for President….
It’s called “reading” and “research”, they are your friends. Since you’re too lazy to look things up for yourself, I will give you a gift this one time.
Some selections from an article with citations. You can check his website and wikipedia entries for more.
“Once elected, Obama gained bipartisan support for legislation reforming ethics and health care laws.[29] He sponsored a law increasing tax credits for low-income workers, negotiated welfare reform, and promoted increased subsidies for childcare.[30] In 2001, as co-chairman of the bipartisan Joint Committee on Administrative Rules, Obama supported Republican Governor Ryan’s payday loan regulations and predatory mortgage lending regulations aimed at averting home foreclosures,[31] and in 2003, Obama sponsored and led unanimous, bipartisan passage of legislation to monitor racial profiling by requiring police to record the race of drivers they detained and legislation making Illinois the first state to mandate videotaping of homicide interrogations.[30][32]
Obama voted in favor of the Energy Policy Act of 2005 and cosponsored the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act.[56] In September 2006, Obama supported a related bill, the Secure Fence Act.[57] Obama introduced two initiatives bearing his name: “Lugar–Obama,” which expanded the Nunn–Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons,[58] and the “Coburn–Obama Transparency Act,” which authorized the establishment of http://www.USAspending.gov, a web search engine.[59] On June 3, 2008, Senator Obama, along with Senators Carper, Coburn and McCain, introduced follow-up legislation: Strengthening Transparency and Accountability in Federal Spending Act of 2008.[60]
Obama sponsored legislation requiring nuclear plant owners to notify state and local authorities of radioactive leaks.[61] In December 2006, President Bush signed into law the “Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act,” marking the first federal legislation to be enacted with Obama as its primary sponsor.[62] In January 2007, Obama co-sponsored the Honest Leadership and Open Government Act, which was signed into law in September 2007.[63] He introduced S. 453, a bill to criminalize deceptive practices in federal elections.[64] Obama also introduced the Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007.[65]
Obama held assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works and Veterans’ Affairs through December 2006.[71] In January 2007, he left the Environment and Public Works committee and took additional assignments with Health, Education, Labor and Pensions and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.[72] He also became Chairman of the Senate’s subcommittee on European Affairs.[73] As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama has made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa.[74]“
please stop. it’s too boring…
Great research. But you are giving the general public too much credit. Do you honestly think that people want to read and educate themselves? If they were willing to do this Obama would be leading in the polls in land side-like numbers. Good job.
Obviously you didn’t look very hard. Here’s a list that he’s sponsored as US Senator. There is also an even longer list that he sponsored as a Illinois State Senator:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bills_sponsored_by_Barack_Obama_in_the_United_States_Senate
The Congressional Ethics Enforcement Commission Act (S. 2259)
The Transparency and Integrity in Earmarks Act (S. 2261)
The Curtailing Lobbyist Effectiveness through Advance Notification, Updates, and Posting Act (The CLEAN UP Act) (S. 2179)
Medicare Informed Choice Act (S. 1841)
Attacking Viral Influenza Across Nations Act (S. 969)
Lead Free Toys Act (S. 2048)
Healthy Communities Act (S. 2047)
Genomics and Personalized Medicine Act of 2006 (S. 3822)
Home Lead Safety Tax Credit Act (S. 2053)
Great Lakes Environmental Restoration Act (S. 508)
Climate Stewardship and Innovation Act (S. 1151)
Mercury Market Minimization Act (S. 3627)
Missing Mercury in Manufacturing Monitoring and Mitigation Act (S. 3631)
Combat Meth Act (S. 103)
Dru’s Law (S. 792)
Spent Nuclear Fuel Tracking and Accountability Act (S. 1194)
Innovation Districts for School Improvement Act (S. 2441)
Summer Term Education Programs for Upward Progress Act (STEP UP) (S. 2149)
HOPE Act (Higher Education Opportunity Through Pell Grant Expansion Act) (S.697)
Lane Evans Veterans Health and Benefits Improvement Act (S. 3988)
Sheltering All Veterans Everywhere Act (SAVE Act) (S. 1180)
OK, I’m bored. Get the point?
dude, stop. you’re boring everyone.
Yeah, stop with your boring facts and research, and let people vote based on sound bites and a coin toss.
Sources, please.
Logic error: Palin is not running for President. The republitrons put up the more experienced candidate for the Presidential ticket. Though neither McCain nor Obama’s experience is very relevant to the position. The President has to make the big boy decisions, not cast a vote.
Lolnathan, given that you supported Hillary, another senator earlier, your argument loses some of its strength, and by some, I mean most.
Hillary ran the show for eight years (well, except for the few months when some unknown intern shared her spot under the podium).
Why do you think she stuck by him? It was a great spot to learn from, to rack up some experience points.
I’m still not convinced that Hillary had much power in the administration. After all, her big health care plan got smashed early on. Hillary Clinton is extremely smart, accomplished, and I would have voted for her if she won the primary. However, like many American I don’t entirely trust the Clintons, and truthfully, their foreign policy wasn’t much different than Bush’s. One of the reasons I support Obama is because he hasn’t been in Washington for a long time, and brings something different to the table.
I suspect a lot of people voted for her in the primaries either because she was the candidate the GOP wanted to run against and so Coulter et al told people to vote for her, or because they wanted Bill back in office. This aggravates me a bit because Hillary does deserve respect and credit on her own, not just in connection to Bill. Many people give her that, but many don’t.
Many people won’t give her that because she keeps him around. She’s shown herself to be a viable politician in her own right, and yet out comes Bill everytime she looks to be getting somewhere. No wonder these connexions exist.
I want to see her by herself, without lil’ Bill looking over her shoulder. That would be nice for a change.
Yeah, it would. Unfortunately, I think ol’ Bill has a meltdown if he’s out of the spotlight for too long.
” . . . I don’t entirely trust the Clintons, and truthfully, their foreign policy wasn’t much different than Bush’s.”
Sorry, there’s a huge difference. The policy of the Democrats since JFK has been appeasement. That of the Republicans has been to stand up to those who export violence.
The number one principle in international relations is *stability*. Yes, the US has supported some nasties, but look what happened when they were overthrown. It has uniformly been civil war, war against their neighbors, and misery and oppression on a far greater scale than under the right-wing dictators.
Batista was corrupt. Castro twice tried to implement plans which would have allowed the nuking of America, exported revolution to South America and Africa, and has reduced his own country to poverty–literacy and medical care notwithstanding.
Shah Reza Pahlavi was oppressive. Look what happened when he was overthrown, and at how effective Carter was in dealing with it–and what happened the day Reagan took office.
Czar Nicholas II was indifferent to the needs of his people. Look at all the sweetness and light that stemmed from the October Revolution. This has nothing to do with the Democrat party, it just illustrates what happens when leftists take charge.
yes… what happens when the leftists take charge is that the US intervenes and stages a coup, helps the new right wing dictator kill thousands, and ruin’s a country for many many years…
Chile, 1973
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB8/nsaebb8.htm
yes… what happens when the leftists take charge is that the US intervenes and stages a coup, helps the new right wing dictator kill thousands, and ruin’s a country for many many years…
Chile, 1973
Google “US involvement in Chile coup 1973″ and you’ll find declassified documents clearly explaining the US involvement even before Allende was elected.
The US only hates dictators when they don’t help us… if they do, they’re fine…
Several broad brush strokes here. Who did the Democrats supposedly appease? Oh, I know “The Terrorists!” A quick review of US Anti-terrorism policy since the early stages of modern terrorism as an instrument of Soviet cold war policy (and to a lesser extent US CW policy, as well), is one of denial. All Presidents from Nixon on, even the beloved conservative demi-god Reagan appeased terrorists in many ways. For every example of left wing extremeism, there is one of right wing extremeism as well. By its very nature, conservativism tends to limit freedom seeking to instill order, just as liberalism can also limit freedom, given liberty free reign (read anarchy — not a good idea). The challenge is to find the balance between order and liberty.
too bad bill oreilly’s gonna bitch slap you. Can’t wait.
No one in the media will ever do that unfortunately, but Sarah Palin sure did!
The important word there was “bitch” although you forgot the whiny part of her speech.
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To my fellow Harry Potter fans – Somone do a lol comparing Dolores Umbridge to Sarah Palin.
Hahaha, Jane, i like you, do you have facebook or livejournal or anything?
More Harry Potter themed lols all around!
I’m on myspace but that’s about it. Giving out personal info would be asking for trouble with this crowd, though.
You know Jane, I never ever called Michelle Obama a bitch, I may disagree with her but I never have called her any names.
Slander OK, name calling bad. Got it.
I see, disagree with her and it’s slander… That will be the new law of the land I assume when Obama is president. Got it!
So baby mama doesn’t count?
shhh, they are all distancing themselves from that. Just like they are distancing themselves from saying Hilary should grow a pair and stop whining about sexism because women candidates should be strong enough to IGNORE SEXISM and not hide behind their own vajayjays
Goose to gander.
tar to feather? Oh, this wasn’t a mensa question.. sorry!
I know, I’ve accepted a long time ago that you’re probably a nicer person then me Ema (although I guess, sadly, you won’t get to be Ema anymore, stupid stalkers). Here’s the difference as I see it: One, I was being flippant, and for that I apologize, even I can’t be serious all the time. Two, there is a difference between a candidate’s spouse who is just trying to support them and the candidate themselves. Three, I was mainly going off of Palin’s speech which seemed to me (IMO of course) to be made up of nothing but nasty, biting remarks about Barack Obama without any policy statements at all. So yeah…. I’ve been a little meaner lately then I usually am. I’ll go back to being nice Jane right away!
In your own mind, and the mind of other conservatives, she is awesome. But polls show that undecided and independent voters think more of Biden than they do of that ultra conservative fascist eye candy. Biden might not make hard core liberals happy the way Palinolithic does, but he sways more undecided voters, and that’s what matters. The only people who like Palin are people who were going to voter McCain anyway. Too bad you guys missed an opportunity to do more than preach to the choir.
I kinda figured he’d try for a popular candidate from an on-the-border swing state. A single state might decide the election this time. Or it could be more, but only time will tell.
At work , ALL the women are fired up about Palin and PO’d about the way the press is slamming her. I think McCain made a very smart choice !
At your work, most women I know disagree vehemently with what Palin fights for and are insulted that McCain thought he could win women to his side with picking her. She mobilized the base yes, she’s fiesty, yes, but she’s not going to win this election for him.
Where do you work- the Welfare office ?
Ha! No, I work for an investment bank, full of venture capitalists.
My dad worked for Raytheon his whole life until retirement and also dislikes her, my sister’s a professor with 3 young kids and a Ph.D. and also dislikes her.
Oooo- hate runs in the family, Huh?
Hahahaa! Is that the best you can do? I shouldn’t even dignify it with a resposne, but I’d like to point out I used the word “dislike”. I’m not the one throwing the word hate aroudn here.
I suppose you had to resort to such pathetic shots because my statement gave evidence against the notion some of you people cling to, that only lazy people who want to live off of welfare like democratic candidates.
very cute … so only welfare people could possibly dislike Palin? Her own state is pissed at her. Look at her local paper.
Plus gotta love the cowardly way she is going into hiding – no national interviews for a few weeks?
Those poor women, all excited over someone who openly declares her subservice to her husband…
Women != Feminists
Yes, subservient women != Feminists
Rick was trying to make it sound like all the women at ‘work’ are feminists.
I don’t think that word means what you think it means.
I think we’re thinking on different lines as to what rick was specifying in the first place. Feminists hate subservience. Rick said that, obviously, all the women at work would hate Palin if she was ’subservient’ (which is unsubstantiated, by the way). But not all women are feminists.
Does that make any more sense? I could tell it to you probably better than I could type it to you. But thus are the bounds of the interweb (and sometimes, thankfully so, yeah?). *sigh*
If Pallin is subserviant to her husband then he is also subserviant to her. He is the one staying home with the kids now isn’t he?
Burn! Indeed. I don’t think she is, though. (Unsubstantiated.)
Yes, there are many women who have been conditioned to accept subservience over an equal relationship. No, they are not feminists.
You know, it’s interesting. When Republicans attack(ed) Hillary, the so-called “feminists” are frothing at the mouth. How dare they treat a woman like that?
Now Sarah Palin is undergoing the same high-tech lynching that Clarence Thomas described. Oh, wait, they’re conservatives, so it’s okay.
Double standard FAIL.
Palin doesn’t support what feminists stand for. Why should they stand up for her?
Oh please, please, give a link to wear she said this. Hilarious!
I think it is one of the main tenets of the church she belongs to in Wasilla
Too bad it was all lies … kind of took the sting out of her nasty
Yeah, He’s got this….the way to screw up the country even worse than the last bozo who had the job.
Psst! Don’t know if you know this or not, but McCain actually helped screw up the country alongside the last dolt that had the job.
Yeah? So did Obama. They were in the same Senate.
Obama’s horrible ideas on the proper role of government are no more fundamentally better than Bush’s horrible ideas on the proper role of government.
i.e. what’s the difference between Tax and Spend and Borrow and Spend? Either way the American people get bent over and violated like an altar boy. It’s just a question of when.
Perhaps you didn’t watch his speech or read his tax policy. Only people making 250,000 a year or more will get higher taxes. Everyone else will see a tax cut. Small businesses won’t have to pay the capital gains tax anymore.
I’d say 8 years is enough and it’s time to try something else. Someone who actually seemed to apply himself in school, and didn’t get C’s at Yale, or graduate at the bottom of the military academy he went to.
Bark at any moons lately?
Who do you think are the majority of people that file income returns showing income of $250,000+ a year? Guess what, it isn’t evil rich people, it’s small business owners. The capital gains cut doesn’t even begin to address his higher tax policy on $250k+.
My point is, whether you try Republican, or you try Democrat, you end up getting screwed in the hiney.
the $250k is individual tax returns. Small businesses file differently usually. Plus, not many “small” businesses make $250k adjusted
As someone who helps deal with the finances of a small business, we don’t come anywhere near 250k annually. And that is BEFORE we take out little luxuries like payroll, gas, material, etc.
Also, unless something’s changed since the last time I looked, the increase for those making between $250k and $600k is $12 per year. That isn’t a typo; the difference is twelve dollars. It’s not until you start making over $600k that there’s a significant increase.
Dear America
Do yourself a favour and win back some credibility with rest of the world: VOTE OBAMA
Yours,
The World
Dear World, Sorry you are being invaded by hostile enemies, but we voted for Obama and cannot help you anymore as we have no more military. Good luck with that!
Yours,
America
Dear World,
We apologize for putting you through 8 years of Bush.
Huh, thought there was going to be more there, but that seems to sum it all up nicely.
Yours,
America
Your letter was returned, no forwarding address…
Fail. The World is into their big kid pants now and does not need America as its babysitter.
The idea is we all look out for each other, although we usually do all the heavy lifting…
Amen to that Ema.
oh, just because we do most of the heavy lifting, doesn’t mean that if we stop doing it the world will come to an end. Just wanted to clarify. I do agree with your statement though.
Indeed. But a world without America’s assistance wouldn’t look a thing like it does today. Maybe better in some ways, but I’m sure, worse for many more.
We really have no idea how it would go without first putting in the effort to take a step back. All we can do is speculate one way or the other. The world cannot gain anything without first taking the risk. It’s a big risk, but it’d be worth it, wouldn’t it?
“The world does not need America as it’s babysitter” ?
Have you told the French that ?
The French aren’t a part of the world. Most countries have flags – France just shares the flag of whoever’s nuts they’re hanging off of at any give time.
lol!
Tired old France rhetoric = fail.
Tired ol’ France screaming like a little girl ( ooo that’s an insult to little girls!) every time someone looks at them crosseyed. Viva Le Chicken!
Oh, do go on. Your wonderful additions to this poignant conversation are absolutely glorious.
Now, tell me. Exactly how are they screaming? Could we discuss race rioting, or clamping down on displays of religion?
Or do you know anything about France at all, my little inbred friend?
Plus ca change, la plus c’est la meme chose…
I wish more people would remember that the french kind of hauled our asses out of the fire during the revolution war. And surrendering so quickly in WWII? That was the LEADERS who surrendered, not the people. Do a google search for french underground or french resistance some time.
And that was the LAST time they helped us- over two hundred years ago- and mostly just to get at the British.
And we repiad them in WW1, WW2, French Indochina, vietnam, Korea……..
Ungrateful little frogs. Even Canada doesn’t like them !
WW1 we barely participated in, WW2 we helped them, sure, but the french underground helped us as well. Korea, we were only there because we felt we had to fight communism. The only Indochina war that we were involved in was the second Indochina war, AKA Vietnam War Where are main motives, again, were anti communism. So from the way I see it, they don’t owe us a damned thing.
Well, I do think they should give us something for inflicting berets on the world (with the exception of Raspberry ones that are found in secondhand stores) and also mimes. We really need to get something from France for mimes.
Reminds of a joke I heard once: How do the French defend Paris? Nobody knows, it’s never been done.
At least that’s what YOUR government tells you. You should really do some
research on WW2. America took it’s sweet time getting involved with that,
skipped on in while it was ending and then ran back home acting like tough
guys.
For everything you do to “help” other countries, you do 10 other things to
destroy them.
America stayed out of the war due to overwhelming pressure by the pacifist short-sighted liberal isolationists on Roosevelt. It took Pearl Harbor ( like 9-11) to slap them out of their stupor. Evidence supports the theory that Roosevelt knew about the impending attack on Pearl Harbor but let it happen as he knew it was the only way to get our country out of deadlock.
Your history lesson for today…!
Ok, tell you what. All of the countries that we have loaned or given money to that have never paid us back can do so now, and then we’ll leave everyone the hell alone, ok? If America was to be given back even a 10th of what has been shelled out, we wouldn’t have to worry about Social Security being robbed.
If I’m not mistaken, the US owes more money than it is owed; it has a net external debt of a few trillion dollars.
Dear World,
Sorry about the last 8 years, neo-cons hi-jacked the country with extreme jingoism. As soon as I’m in office, in about 5 months, we’ll actually employ dilplomacy, logic, and reason again in foreign policy instead of ignoring/bullying the UN when convenient. Besides, until we’re out of Iraq, we really have don’t have moral superiority (or ground military units) to curtail the actions of Russia or similar entities.
P.S. I don’t know who the dope who posted above me is, probably another butt-hurt McCainiac. Like southerners who still rock the stars and bars, they just don’t know when they’ve lost.
Keep moving Barack2thefuture,
Obama
Dear Barak,
We are delighted you will be the next president of the Great Satan! Finally a muslim leader we can manipula.. I mean identify with.
Yours truly,
Muhamar Kadaffi
Do you go to Sarah Palin’s church now? Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t mean they’re going to hell. And stop comparing Muslims to Satan, I expect better of you!
Naw. She was calling America “The Great Satan”, as I’m sure some outside fo the US probably do.
That was ol’ Saddam H., wasn’t it? Wa-a-ay back, mid ’90s.
Yeah, big name tied to the phrase. I’m sure it’s still spoken, however, unlike any thing _new_ from him…
No, no, NO!
It was the Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran, 1 Feb 1979, about six hours after I was born.
That was a letter from Kadaffi, not me. He thinks Obama is a muslim, I didn’t say he is or compare muslims to Satan. Give me some credit here.
Was that the stalker? I can’t keep it straight, this sucks, stop hijacking Ema you douche!
Dear Ka-daffy,
Fooled you. He’s not a muslim.
God
Dear God- like hell he isn’t !
um, no he’s not. he’s christian. muslim is a religion, not a race.
I don’t know where your ‘race’ comment comes from….
because the argument people use to say he’s a muslim is that his dad awas a muslim. it’s not like race that get inherited. it’s a religious choice. obama chose to be christian.
The comment you were responding to didn’t say that, though…
I believe this vein of comments would be better off if everyone were made aware that Kaddafi (or Gaddafi) at one point in time made it known that he believed Obama to be a Muslim.
No, that argument is that because his dad is a muslim, other muslims consider him to be a muslim whether he claims to be or not. I believe he claims to be a Christian and take his word for it because he says so. That does NOT mean that other muslims do not consider him a muslim and identify with him.
well then, that must mean that megabob is a muslim.
Oooooo! Your witty comments and lame takeoff on my name slay me! Go back to first grade, weenie!
Oh, MegaBob, you’ve almost hit puberty! Maybe then your parents will let you get on the internet when they aren’t watching.
You probably shouldn’t fap so much when they are, though.
Your elementary school called- they want you back… uh..what ?
No they don’t!
You really fooled him good, because Kaddfi actually believes it.
hmmm…
Oh, and Muslims? Not your enemy.
People that hate? Not a good thing.
Then smite thine Liberals for they reek of hate to all who do not follow their false god!
Hey look, it’s an Ann Coulter disciple!
Worship at the shrine of the huge adam’s apple!
Perfect example of that good ol’ Liberal hate!
AND displacement of hate! ( How the hell did Ann Coulter come up?)
You don’t own a mirror, do you?
How appropriate your name is !
Yes, because Ann Coulter saying things like “All liberals hate America” “liberals are terrorists” and “There are some bad republicans, there are no good democrats” isn’t hateful at all.
Wow, Megabob is like Evil Pundit minus the brains.
owww! Your witty remarks slay me!
I fart in your general direction, you wiper of Obama’s ass!
EP has brains?
Compared to Megabob EP is Einstein.
Jane, you ignorant French slut !
That was not a flame- the smell, warmth and low volume of atmosphere passing was more of a oral fart from you.
And did you not just claim you were going to be a nicer Jane ?
THAT didn’t last long!
Megabob, you troll the boards and write the nastiest, most hatefilled responses your tiny brain can think of to anyone with an opposing view and if anyone tries to defend themselves you start screaming the words “liberal hatred” like the whiny loser you are. I’m sorry, but “Nice Jane” doesn’t apply to you, I’m already being nicer than you deserve.
I find it ammusing that Megaboob thinks he deserves “Nice Jane” after hurling hate filled comments like:
Then smite thine Liberals for they reek of hate to all who do not follow their false god!
How appropriate your name is ! (addressing Enema)
I fart in your general direction, you wiper of Obama’s ass! (He actually managed to quote Monty Python and make it not funny)
Jane, you ignorant French slut ! (Completely uncalled for. Jane has always struck me as being well educated)
That was not a flame- the smell, warmth and low volume of atmosphere passing was more of a oral fart from you. (I don’t think he was actually addressing anyone with that one, I think he’s just kind of pissing and spinning there)
I could quote more of Megabob’s hatefulness, after all, all these cited here are from the same thread, but I think these are enough to get the point across.
And that point is, Megabob is a hateful little immature troll who takes pleasure in acting big on the internet, which I’m guessing is to compensate for his pathetic life off the computer where he can’t get a girlfriend and is always picked last for kickball.
Hey, some southerners voted for Barack too!! I’m a born and bred southerner and I can think. You?
You mean you aren’t bitterly clinging to your guns and religion?
*sigh* I love how you think you’re better and smarter than southerners, yet you spew this shit out of your mouths. I bet you don’t even realize how petty and ignorant it makes you sound.
This is something Obama himself was caught saying!! It was a direct quote!
No, it’s not. A direct quote would be taking the entire sentence at the very least. To be truly professional, one should also provide some context otherwise:
McCain said that his campaign is not change we can believe in.
Thank you!! You validate me…
It’s a first!
not me again… ok, let’s all start posting as everyone else. Scared to actually argue with me like an adult?
2% among likely voters before the debates where Hillary thrashed him, McCain will do the same. BIGGEST CHOKE EVAH!
I <3 this lol. Well done!
Oh, and Muslims? Not your enemy.
People that hate? Not a good thing.
Repitious Megalomania ? FAIL!
Irony!
IRONY: Top Score!
Spelling? FAIL!
(Mega) Hypocrite? WIN!
Neutered Liberal Weenie, WIN !
LOL!!!
Oh god ..
I may choke
Lolnathan is NOT a liberal
bahahahahaaaa
MegaBob reminds me of one of those lost little children…
Liberal (n.) – A label applied to a person with whom you disagree, so as to ease the process of demonizing them.
You mean, like ‘Commie’ to old people?
What makes other religious freaks any less dangerous then our own religious zealots? Wake up!!! The main point is to think on your own, dont just jet yourself be brainwashed!!! If the pope can accept that evolution really occurred shouldnt Palin be able to as well. What a joke I cant believe this lady believes that the war in Irag is “Gods War”.
Seriously abortion is still the main rallying point behind republican voters, yet at the same time they are pro killing everything else on the planet with your guns. Very few of all hunted animals are ever eaten or used for anything useful. Stop being worried about losing and instead put your mind to us all winning with the correct vote. Obama/Biden
Iraq is god’s war but:
“I haven’t really been following Iraq”
-S.Palin
Oh, thank god! I was worried there, for a moment. I thought Palin WAS God! Thank you for clearing that one up for me!
You talking about Black Liberation Theology by any chance?
Where the hell did that even come from? It’s utterly amazing and hilarious that for all the Conservative cheerleadingover how much like the “average person” and “non-elitist” they are, almost every right-winger here tries to maintain an air of superiority to anyone that disagrees with their ideology.
You all just seem intensely bitter that Barack’s still ahead in the poling and independents are largely unimpressed with how little change Sarah Palin actually brings to the Republican ticket. Huckleby or Romny would have been a helluva alot more qualified but McCain knew that his onlly shot was to resolve the Evangelical base and whomever was still butthurt out of the Hillary camp. You all just sound like a buncha internet trolls desperately trying to flame for forum-cred. Get some verifiable points instead of slanderous hearsay.
Actually, McCain had to give up his right to choose (a running mate) to the evangelicals who turned down first Romney, then Tom Ridge before they picked Gov Palin. I wonder if McCain regrets his anti-choice stance?
Since he’s up in the polling right now, I doubt he regrets it.
words cannot express how much i truly would LOVE to see barack actually say that, just once, at some event or another.
He would immediately lose probably 7-12% (net) of the populace with that comment.
We do need more politicians that are gung-ho intertube nerds. Srsly.
He SAYS a lot of stuff, but mostly meaningless gibberish.
*I got this Elvis*
*No Slo, let me do this… Motherfucker, the bos…….*
Or something like that, I laughed so hard that they checked up on me, what was so funny. The others didnt see it, ah well.
Even in this picture, he is sinking slowly behind the podium- just like his poll numbers !
it looks like he’s shrinking!
Yes, poll numbers are shrinking, because everyone loves McCain and his book-banning, abstinence-teaching,illegtitimate grandchild-’ed-up ex beauty queen.
Keep grasping those straws, you ignorant republicans.
she should not have had that Baby!
Now, that isn’t me. I am guessing MegaBob since he has been accusing me of being different people all day.
Yes it is me!!
No it’s not, Douchebag!
I Got this!
(tailspin continues)
No really I got this don’t worry everyone!
(tailspin continues)
CRASH
community organizin’ style!
he organized chicago nicely they had more american gunshot deaths this summer than iraq and afganistan combined
CHANGE!
Oh, he’ll fix that by taking all their guns away.
First step Hitler and Stain made….
Then they banned some books … Just like Palin wanted to do
I find it funny that people cling to the Second ammendment as if it’s more important than the First.
Without the second amendment, the first would not last very long..
Without the first amendment, nobody would know when the other nine composing the Bill of Rights were repealed…
If you had your guns you could keep them from banning the books.
Oh for fuck’s sake, ema…
Pandering to decrepit inaccurate stereotypes? Why not add on the part about forced abortions and mandatory gay marraige?
Why not? Stereotypes are all my small brain can understand.
Evidently.
*fake ema comment*
STALIN! not Stain– well , maybe not.
U WISH!
Beat you to that one. :>
LOL, bah must’ve overlooked it in the gagillion comments above.
This LOL was so awesome and fresh, it made me cum a little. One of the best ever on here.
awww were you scared after the rock star got pwned by a 72 year old dude and a pta mom?
feel better now?
need a belly rub?
itll be ok just keep drinkin the kool-aid
You must be very lonely.
You ain’t got it YET dickhead! We still get to VOTE!
I have faith that America will actually vote for change, not just same old crappy political bootlicking.
But, I’ll lick your boots if you vote for Barak!
Time to go and buy me some new boots!
Boosh!
I support Obama, but I don’t think this picture is good for his campaign since it contains profanity. Who ever posted this, I’m glad that you’re a fellow fan of Obama, but I think you should take it off the net out of respect for him.
Huh? You care to elucidate your train of thought? I don’t think the picture is pro-Obama. *sheesh*
Hehe… you sound like a puritan that just stumbled into the wrong speak-easy…
Oh look, someone let a five year old in here. Quick, cover her eyes before she gets to the sex education threads!
Trolls, trolls everywhere and nary a bridge to cross..good to know they are on both sides..
LMAO! WIN!
<3 0bama
Seriously, someone needs to make this into a giant poster. I want this one on my walls. Cracks me the hell up.
I think the fact that McCain was a POW and tortured for 5-years should disqualify him from being president. That was a traumatic experience that surely caused a lot of mental problems. We already know McCain was suicidal and suffered from depression. However, he has never released all, if any, of his mental health records, so we really don’t know much about his mental health history.
I’m not saying former POW’s can’t live productive lives but I think certain stressful occupations simply would not be a good idea. The President of the United States is probably the most stressful job in the world. Presidents seem to age in dog years, after four years in office they all look 10-years older.
I could never trust McCain’s mental stability, so in my opinion it would be insane to make a traumatized POW the leader of the free world.
And if you say he’s not traumatized, then why won’t he release ALL of his mental health records. That is information that people deserve to know.
I’m sorry, were you trying to form a coherent frame of thought here? This is the most ridiculous thing I have heard anyone say. If all that you say is true, then why has been able to serve so long in Congress? Without a doubt his being a POW caused him physical limitations, by his own admission. But proclaim that he has mental issues as well? And what qualifies you to make these statements about former POW’s?
I don’t necessarily support Kane’s statements, but I will say PTSD runs deep.
A friend’s dad was a POW in Viet Nam. Got to watch three of his buddies tortured to death. Funny thing is, he didn’t get squat out of the deal. No trophy heiress, no seven homes, no free pass on any hard questions in life. Did get the shell shock, though. You did not wake that man when he was napping; he had at least five .45s loaded, hidden, with the safeties off.
(This was the guy that mentioned how only stoolies got special treatment… like, oh, McCain.)
I don’t know that McCain’s treatment was all that special. By his own admission he wishes he hadn’t said the things he did. But seriously, and I have brought this up before, who of can throw the first stone thinking we would be above that? Torture is not pretty in any way shape or form and the Vietnamese were well practiced at it. Aside from that, was McCain ever tried for giving aid and comfort to the enemy? Was he ever tried as a traitor? Answer those questions and you will have your answer as to his honor.
Eddie, do you disagree that someone that was tortured for 5-years might have some mental problems. McCain’s temper is legendary and the way he speaks on the campaign trail and in interviews comes across to me like he’s on Prozac. Very deliberate and slow.
Probably one of the reasons he has served so long in Congress is because he uses his war hero status to keep getting elected (and this election is no different). McCain has been in Congress for almost 30-years and I challenge you to name 10 pieces of legislation that he wrote and fought to pass. I’ll make it easier, just name 3.
If you notice, McCain uses a lot of blanket statements when describing what he has done over the years, but he rarely provides any specifics on actual legislation. Did you hear when they read off Ted Kennedy’s accomplishments at DNC convention? It was like a grocery list. You could do a stump speech off his accomplishments. Considering the length of time McCain has been in Congress, you would expect his accomplishments to be just as extensive.
But back to McCain’s mental state. Are you aware that McCain was treated for depression and suicidal impulses? Do you care about his mental health history and the fact that his mental health records are never released? One Republican congressman that know McCain very well, said that the thought of a John McCain presidency sent a cold chill down his spine. That may not be troubling for you, but that’s troubling for me.
As far as your question about what qualifies me to make an assessment about POW’s and the effect of years of confinement and torture. I don’t think you need any kind of medical background to make a common sense judgment that someone who was tortured for 5-years could possibly be mentally unstable. But there are hundreds if not thousands of books and studies on POW’s and their traumatic experience. Some of those studies track those POW’s for years and document how they have coped with it.
I’ve read up on the issue and maybe you should too. I think you may be surprised at what you will learn about the lingering mental problems associated with POW’s, torture, and war in general.
But I stand by my personal opinion. I would never vote for someone to be president that had suffered the traumatic experience of 5-years of torture as a POW.
Kane, thanks for a very well reasoned and thought out reply. I will take up your challenge and will do a bit of investigating, ok? I will say this, McCain is not my idea of the perfect Republican candidate, but he’s what the GOP put up. Along with this, Palin would not have been my 1st choice as a VP either, but again, that decision was out of my hands. And in my humble opinion, I don’t think the Democrats faired to well in their choice for Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates either. I hate to say it, but I see the next four years as possible torture for both sides. I’m a disheartened ex-pat that feels like my only option is sit back and watch everything turn to sh*t. I’ll vote, but I will vote my concience and not necessarily the party line.
Eddie, I see your point. But I have to disagree with your belief that the Dems didn’t make a great choice with Obama/Biden. I think one of the reasons republicans don’t like Obama is because they’re mad at themselves because they can’t find any real reason to hate him. When Obama speaks, it doesn’t sound like he’s speaking to democrats, it sounds like he’s speaking to everyone.
The republicans are envious of Obama and the support he has generated here and abroad. There isn’t a political person on the face of this earth that wouldn’t like to have the worldwide support that Obama has. The republicans tried to turn it into a negative by calling him a celebrity, but that was a stupid attack. They’re basically saying, don’t vote for this guy because he’s too popular, too many people like him, too many people are donating money and working in his campaign.
And in the same breath they’re basically calling his supporters mindless, stupid fans. Yea, that’s going to get you some votes. It will be interesting to see how political science students will view this election 20 years from now. I think a general vein of thought will be “what were they thinking?”
I believe Obama is the best candidate to come along in a long time, for either party. He will be able to work both sides of the aisle because he is willing to compromise and because his influence with voters will travel down to the congressional level. Think about it, Obama will be able to use his popularity with voters to hold Senators and Congressman accountable and call them out when they oppose good legislation. If those guys want to get re-elected they will have to answer to those same voters.
McCain and Palin do not have that kind of pull. As we saw at the convention, Palin and the republicans were all about attacking Obama. Someone should have reminded her that most people like Obama and they’ve gotten past all the noise from earlier in the campaign.
If Palin wanted to be a maverick she should have taken the opportunity to give the republican party some tough love.
1. She could have looked out at the crowd and expressed her disappointment at the lack of diversity in the republican party. She could have made the point that the party needs to reach out to Blacks, Hispanics, Asians and others. That they are a party of inclusion and they don’t hate anyone, including gays and lesbians.
2. She could have said that McCain may have seven houses but most republicans have just one and that they’re not the party of the rich.
3. She could have admitted that Bush came into office with a balanced budget and a surplus, and that the republicans have turned it into the biggest deficit in the history of this country. That they have gotten away from their basic principles and need to get back to the basics.
4. She could have said that while her views on some moral issues may differ she will not let those differences stand in the way productive legislation in other areas.
5. She could have said the Bush tax cuts would be on the table because everything should be looked at when trying to fix the economy. And if they don’t like that, she could have said, they can send me back to Alaska.
Now that would have been maverick-like and I was really afraid that was the kind of speech she was going to give. But I was relieved and very happy she was just more of the same old thing. A 12-year old could have read that speech and got the same response. Karl Rove isn’t as smart as I thought.
Palin had so many things she could have said that would have made her stand out as something different and something new. But she blew it by spewing the same rhetoric that frankly she has not earned the right to spew. She won’t even talk to the media so people can get an assessment on where she stands on the issues. The republicans have her in the Candidate Protection Program, so for now she can launch all the attacks she want but the Dems can’t criticize her on anything because they don’t know where she stand on any of the issues.
But anyway, those are just a few of my reasons for supporting Obama.
By the way, I just watched a speech of Obama’s, and I shoved jellybeans up my ass to accompany my erection!! No, not jelly-belly jellybeans, jellybeans the cat!!!
My problem with Obama is it’s the same old rhetoric, He promises change, but the truth is, while the whole world may be cheering him on, he will be undone by Congress. This is also true for McCain, so I don’t see either one as a winner if they win. The other issue I have is while Obama may be able to give a rousing speech to inspire the hearts of people everywhere, I’m afraid that 99% of what he is promising will never occur. As for Palin, there’s a lot she could have said, but the truth is, she is a relative unknown. And while she may be labelled a ‘reformer’, she doesn’t really have the creds to stand before the entire GOP and say everything you outline.
So, while the world may be cheering for Obama, the fact is this whole thing is up to the American voters and we really can’t or shouldn’t take into account what the other countries think.
I think you should take into account what other countries think, for the US is just one of many countries on Earth. I’m not saying that just because the world wanted Obama that it was reason enough to give him the job, rather that it should just be another thing you take into consideration before voting.
, rather that international opinion (including whose opinion that is) is a factor I must take into consideration before the next federal election.
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Similarly, if the US hated Kevin Rudd, that is not telling me I must vote for him
Easily find out your voting status, polling place or register at:
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it’s in your hands, people.
RON PAUL 08
I tend to chill out a bit more after making a donation.
Dude, I certainly hope so!!
McPain is hiding from the media, as is his prom date slash daughter, Failin. She’s more silent than a Moslem woman in Purdah. Ever so like Bush-Cheney, no? More of the same, indeed. And McPain’s handlers are so worried that he’ll release his inner chimp on TV that they are saving that treat for the debates. I can’t wait!
Why are most Americans such a bunch of suckers? I am European and I have met a lot of Americans, many friends of mine are. But how is it possible that you don’t see through the lies and hipocracy of Republicans, and expecially McCain? Just because Palin is a hot milf and a hockey mom (whatever that is supposed to count for) doesn’t mean she is better than an intelligent and goodhearted guy like Obama. He is a real leader, a real bridge builder. McCain and Palin are egoistical, rich, elitarian and conservative.
All Europe is cheering for Obama, I hope you stupid Americans wake up already and understand that you are all going down in recession because of that stupid war that is just making Bush and McCain and the big oil companies richer.
And what happens when you loose your job or the whole country falls apart? You are all fucked, while the rich guys can just take their private jet and take a hike to a tax paradise. Suckers! Vote for Obama goddamn it and save yourselves!
I’m new to this forum…sad to see the originally intelligent and witty comments degenerate into trash talking and macho bullshit. I’m a Republican and I am voting for Obama this election. I do not believe that McCain or Palin have the intellectual capacity to save this country from itself. Our founding fathers made the 1st amendment first for a reason. Anyone who supports a book burning, anti-choice, big government in your home but not minding the oil companies, war-hawking team is not a true conservative. Barry Goldwater is rolling in his grave. Ike Eishenhower is rolling in his grave. Abe Lincoln is rolling in his grave. Teddy Roosevelt is rolling in his grave. What the hell happened to this once proud party?
Amen, damn you. I read every thread. As to your choice, I support you. not because you’re voting for Obama, but because you’re voting for yourself. you’re voting for your family and your country. You’re voting with you’re head. Not with you’re skin, or with your genitals. and not with whatever religious text you carry. (Or don’t.) I don’t really give a damn who you vote for. I just hope you do it for the good of your country. Hell, I’m new to the damn INTERNET, so I’ve got you there. I just pray that all of us who have written words here on this forum actually VOTE, and take a part in choosing this country’s fate. After all, it’s not like us being a country is some abstract thing. We’re nothing more than a big group of people. Real people. Not internet opinions to argue with.
Well, everyone says Palin is just like the neighbor next door that can be trusted. I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t want my next door neighbor running the country. I wouldn’t even want me running the country!
In the late 70’s there was a large segment of Democrats that became Republican because of Jimmy Carter (before I get hammered for this one, it is true, hence the major landslide Reagan handed to Carter.) I think a lot of them have stayed in the party, but have basically diluted the GOP platform. Again, don’t get pissed at me, I’m just calling it like I see it. I’m nore then happy to be corrected if I am wrong.
Well that and many of the “hippies” grew up invested in the stock market, switched from pot to cocaine, and decided that they wanted a party to protect their money more than their rights.
Anyone have a clean version of this pic (so I can send it to my parents)? You know, maybe just, “Everyone chill out”?
I’ve already sent this one to all my friends.
You can always recaption it yourself. There’s a link for it underneath the pic. I may want a copy of the clean version myself.
Although I have to say that I still :heart: this pic. After the last eight years and especially the last several months of the economy trying to visit Davy Jones’ Locker it’s reassuring to know that our Commander in Chief can truly say “I got this.” And the F-bomb fits IMO as it’s the perfect response to some of the weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth that I’ve had for so long.
Sorry – nevermind. Just built my own.
Peace.
Woops! I saw this after I posted my comment. Too bad we can’t edit our comments.
Dear Richard:
Most Americans, I think like most people, can only do what is w/in their society to do.
We are a young country forged by Puritans.
We are a country of comfort, because credit has been indoctrinated since the 70’s(?)
We are a country who believes we are the most powerful and rich because so many from elsewhere come here, instead of realising it is because of our foreign relations and policies and influence on other countries, people flee said countries.
We have been indoctrinated in many ways, and unless you seek otherwise, and even when you seek otherwise, it is unfortunately our way of life.
It is our comfort zone, our home.
It is a hard slumber to wake from, this comfortable “free” life we feel we have.
It is a bit like Rome, I think sometimes.
I hope we don’t fall.
I just hope.
I’m voting for Obama because I refuse to give up hope. But many here have none left. They don’t vote or they vote stupidly and w/no care, because they think their vote no longer matters anyway. They saw the recount debacle, the way our secure vote was put to serious investigation, and has turned up evidence of rigging.
They are scared, because that is what our “leaders” would have us be.
I hope we are awake. I hope we have become stronger.
I think that you may be too cynical. I was like that once, “but I am younger than that now.” I am voting for Obama, because he represents the future. I have the utmost respect for Sen McCain, but he and his young running mate represent the past. They don’t really understand why, but if they take control, this country will most likeely continue in its downward slide, perhaps unrecoverable without a few decades of effort. Obama offers the opportunity to transition away from the industrial age into the information age, if we have the courage to try.
I don’t believe I’m being cynical. I think I’m calling it like it is and hoping people wake the fuck up.
Some of the posters on this forum sound like they:
A: Don’t believe Obama because he’s a politician(no hope)
B: Don’t believe any real change will happen(again no hope)
C: Are not reading about either side’s stand on issues, just belching out their uninformed opinions based on ads
And some sound like they really couldn’t care less, they just want to name call and not understand what is actually happening.
That’s called apathy. Apathy stems from a loss of HOPE.
Thought you’d get a kick out of this. I didn’t know that LOL meant Chill the Fuck Out.
Dad
This is the most important LOL Evar.
How many of you did indeed chill the fuck out and let Obama do his thing?
hi, the gop-republicans have historically represented the ultra wealth in this country. the democrats have always been for the workers and moderate income americans. we need to vote for a team. the president does not nake his own decisions but the team he has assembled obama is not only articulate but intelligent. we have to throw the republicans out of office we have to be able to gain our stature in the world. we have to reach out to our friends and foes .we have to repect all views we have to look to our neighbors and see our similarities. wew have to once again help each other and not accentuate our differences. what happened to the days when we joined arms and marched together to fight for america,s common causes. we need to once again unite and practice our democratic heritage..
Are you all for real, McCain is not a good candidate. I can’t believe people are even trying to say we have done well under republican leadership. Seriously, come on… I just don’t know what to say anymore… I’m so flabbergasted that anyone would think we have done anything right in the last eight years.
McCain has become a republican/Bush party hack; Palin is a simple and closed minded idiot. We, and the World, deserve better.
McCain talks about the true measure of a man, and how his experience makes him the best man for the job. I have a lot of respect for what he went through in Vietnam as a POW but that is where my respect for him stops. To measure Mr. McCain is to know how he reacts when under immense pressure, stress, and uncertainty.
John McCain displayed his true measure as a member of the USS Forrestal crew. After a rocket was erroneously dishcarged from his F-4, he jumped from his plane and ran away. The chain reaction of this event which was caused by both human error and outdated material (due to shortages, the bombs were Korean War era) the end result was 134 Navy Crewmen dead, 161 Crew members injured, and a loss of $75,000,000 to the Navy. There was further loss of life as this carrier was out of commission and unable to assist the US Forces on the ground in Vietman with air support.
Many of the other pilots were killed that day, some of the other pilots that managed to escape their burning aircraft formed fire fighting parties and attempted extinguished the flames.
The “man” that some of you are about to vote for was nowhere to be found.
I spent 12 years in the navy, I am a disabled combat veteran, a patriot, and a Father concerned for the future of my child. My vote is for Barack Obama.
WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH, WE NEED A PRESIDENT THAT WILL NOT RUN AND HIDE.
The facts of the USS Forrestal are published by the US Navy, The Navy Safety Center, and available in several books and offical reports……do your country a favor and do your homework.
I am a Republican from Arizona, and I voted for Obama-Biden. People do need to chill out. McCain is a great American hero who served our country for the last 50 years with honor and distinction, and Obama is the great American dream, a person who rose from poverty and a broken home to be the next President of the United States. This election was historic. For the first time in my life, we had two great people running for office. Whether you voted for McCain or for Obama, you voted for someone that could restore this country to what is was before “W” ran roughshod over our Constitution. So be proud, no matter which party you voted for today, you voted for a great American.
HE GOT IT
To all the McCain supporters here:
You LOST – get OVER it!
Yes, now lets see if America lost too.
We shall see.
Now lets find out if Obama is far stupider than the leftards labeled Bush.
CHANGE….. change to what — Hitler and Stalin changed things and many millions died.
That’s right, sunshine. Beware of change. Incidentally, what do you do for a crust – wear the same pair of underpants for two months?
Really? You’re fearing change? Change from the past 8 years? You’re saying that the stuff we’d be changing from DIDN’T kill millions of people? GTFO.
So, uh…that’s a pretty funny picture up there, huh?
I Hate this picture and caption.
Obama sucks. He promised to fix the economy, but he’ll fail to keep his promises and just blame it all on Bush (so typical for liberals to blame repulicans for all their problems). You watch and see, when he fails, I’ll say “I told you so” and I’ll also say “that’s why I voted for the other guy”.
IMEACH OBAMA!!!!!!
you’re each obama?
impressive.
Truly impressive. I know it’s far beyond my capabilities to be a man, a woman, and two young girls all at the same time.
I know people who would want to try.
I actually have a point to question. Why is that when something goes wrong and the new President says it was a problem from the last President, it is Ok if the new one is Republican and the old is Democrat, but not the other way around?
Some many said that the Bush II administration had to deal with all of Clinton’s mistakes, AND that Clinton did so well because of the Bush I administration before it.
For my life, There has only been eight years where a Bush has not been in office.
How can it be that the Democrats are all at fault when they have barely been in office?
How many here are willing to bet that if President Obama DOES fix anything, it will be because of something Bush II did? However, if things get worse, it will be because President Obama was a failure. STILL, there is no scenario where the Republicans can ever be at fault.
Must be nice to write the damn rules about what is or is not a fault or failure.
As if this will even make a dent.
Actually, if you track it, the policies that the sitting president enacts usually take 4 years to come to fruition. So, all of the bad things that Bush did, actually occured after he took office and put his policies in place. This isn’t a hard and fast rule, but in general it’s pretty accurate.
I don’t know, Eds. It depends a lot on the type of policy, don’t you think?
Domestic ~, foreign ~, energy ~, environmental ~, and economic policies
can hardly *all* need the same amount of time to take hold, right?
@Deep Lurker: I understand your frustration. It seems that people who
haven’t really cared about politics between major elections seem to be
the most vocal about blaming whoever happens to be the opposition for
whatever happens to be wrong at the moment.
My favorite instance was when someone recently claimed that the seeds
for the current economic melt-down took hold in the Carter administra-
tion. Even the righties laughed at that one!
Rho, partly I think. It depends on what type of policy it is. For example, it generally takes 4 years for economic changes to come around where as foreign policies tend to happen a lot quicker. OTOH, environmental policies can sometimes take a decade if it’s radical enough.
That’s exactly what I was getting at. I’m glad we agree. Most
people think of “economics” when they think of “policy,” as you
noted.
That said, I can fully stand and argue that economic policy only
goes so far, and market influences rule the day. It’s almost like
blaming “Wendy” if you get a bad hamburger*.
*paraphrased Bobcat Goldthwait.
Proper attribution without linkage, polaroids or screenshot?
*faints-awakens-worships at the feet of rhorho*
Actually, this is the job of the American people to improve their situation, not ask one person to do it.
Come on America, we can do this.
Amen, Trainwreck Chaser.
I actually feel sorry for Obama right now. He’s one man, and now he’s gotta try to live up to all the zealotry and hype that’s been spewed in the media and across the intertubes.
I hope for the future, and the future of our great country, but the expectations the world has heaped on the shoulders of one individual are just unrealistic.
How about some new shit?
Don’t worry he’ll fuck it up like every other black man ever had when they’ve been able to truly own property. Why do you think black neighborhoods are some of the worst.
First, I think that second bit warrants a question mark.
Now then…
Gee, I dunno. D’ya think discrimination has anything to do with it? Pfft, can’t be. The fact that they can’t get hired due to racism and what-have you surely doesn’t have anything to do with it. The stereotype that African-Americans are violent doesn’t help either…
It’s a vicious circle…
Way to provide any backup to your reasoning other than gross stereotyping and racism, by the way! We here in the 21st century don’t have any need for that kind of thing.
The more I see his face the more I regret not sending them all back.
Sending them back? As in sending former slaves to Africa? That would mean nothing for Obama since his family tree is traced back to Africa in 1 generation rather than 10 or thereabouts like Americans with slaves for ancestors.
well, you see if you can round any up in you trailer park, then…
Holy crap. 500+ comments on a caption that’s been done before. Not even that long ago, either. Don’t you people have homes? *departs in disgust*
Hi. Scroll through the comments and see that there are only six from today. Then go get a life, please.
Having a life is what prevented me from carefully reviewing 500+ comments to see what date each one was posted. If I didn’t have a life, I’d have had plenty of time to, say, count how many were made today.
When did we elect George Lopez?
Took me ages to notice that this was an old picture…. Was getting so confused.
This picture makes me smile.
Best. LOLbama. Evar.
Thanks for the replay, admins.
Interesting how a LOL critical of Obama never makes it on here………….
Shhh, don’t tell them you’re onto their secret…They can smell your fear…>.> <.<
Interesting how this interesting comment makes it on here OVER and OVER and OVER again, yet no interesting Obama-lol has been written and voted for, yet. Hmmmmmm. (mmmmm.) (mmmmmmm(mmmmm….))
“Hmmmmmm” indeed.
How cute that you can show how grown up you are by using the F word. This site has some very funny and amazing stuff otherwise, but hopefully one day your vocabulary will mature.
Uhhh. I prefer the comments over at failblog. There’s nothing but arguments here. I like to give people hugs.
WOULD ALL THE MCCAIN VS OBAMA ARGUMENTS PLEASE JUST SHUT THE HELL UP. THE ELECTION IS OVER. OBAMA’S THE PRESIDENT. GET OVER IT.
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-walks out to go find a happy place and an aspirin-
Oooh LB you get ‘em tiger.
Preeeow.
hehe. Just like what Obama says,
“EVERYONE CHILL THE FUCK OUT!”
this is pretty much what people expect from this guy. obama would have my vote (if i were american or of age) but he’s not superman.
test
What you testing?
Shhhh!!
New-cue-lar missiles for turrurists.
Its possible that obama might get shot like JFK i know it will happen i know…he is the target now