In some cultures, the elderly are sent out to sea on an iceberg with a bucket of whale blubber, while in others they take as many people with them as possible.
In some cultures, the elderly are sent out to sea on an iceberg with a bucket of whale blubber, while in others they take as many people with them as possible.
Who is that in the picture? Tell us in the Comments
picture: Ademo. lol caption: squoze
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In other cultures they used to leave children overnight on windswept crags to see if they were fit to live…
I don’t agree with the practice generally, but I favour it in your case… preferably wrapped in a wet sheet.
Can there be rabid penguins, too?
Can it be a real test of fitness without the penguins?
Yay!!
That’s how we can bring the rockhoppers’ numbers back up. Feed them first-trolls.
Hidy hooooooooooo!
Can they be attacked by a CGI wolf like in 300 too?
Unc, you said your mum was tough, but I had no idea!
I don’t like to brag…
Now I’m slightly scared about what family gatherings must be like.
“Just hop out of the foxhole, little jimmy, aunt bertha will be done with the mortar any second. Any then she’ll be crabby and really need that gin and tonic.”
It’s when the Mossad death squads turn up to get her for alleged ‘crimes against humanity’ (what ever that means) that things can get lively…
lol my picture has been used
Wow! You look pretty good but…where are your teeth?:)
Looking at the calibre of that gun… about 20 feet out of shot due to the counter-coup of the recoil.
if you’ve seen Yes Man, you won’t want the teeth
and congrats on making the first funny PK for a while… and with what is disdainfully called a $5 caption by the howling cretins…
How do you suppose Squoze’s caption got through the gum-smacking, mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging gauntlet?
Will ya lay off the “mouth-breather” crap??
*rummages around for more decongestants…
I personally take offense to the knuckle dragger comment.. I cant help it I have
a strangely long arms!
and large, hairy, spade like hands…
Ever noticed how it’s guys like that who always seem to be Ob-Gyn?
oh blehehehehech *checks to make sure obstetrician has hairless hands*
last thing I need is my hubby finding dust bunnies of some old dude’s arm-hair up there….again…what?
Um, can I get your myspace? lol
We all know how truthful MySpace is. I mean, if you want to REALLY know someone, look them up on MySpace!
How long until we get Care Trolls bashing us for the use of ethnic stereotypes in the caption? I’ve got 10:00 am to 11:00 am ICHC time in the pool.
What about anti-age-ist Care Trolls?
Toooooo Laaaaate!
What about anti-hairy-hands-OBGYN trolls…
Slow day on the intertoobs for me, so I saw the caption long before the picture finished downloading. I expected to see an octogenerian behind the wheel of a car.
How’s that for stereotyping?
Typrewriters, keyboards, blackberries, phones, and now we can type on stereos too?! *goes to radio shack*
What an awful joke. You should know all about stereotyping… Right?
Past her enormous bosom
With a sore back…
fixed that, kthx. Had a retarded disk, so it wasn’t from boobs, as my old chiro said. Because I knew they weren’t THAT heavy. Keep rubbbing it in though. First you burn me for thinking I’m ‘perfect’ and then you make fun of my admitted imperfections. Make up your damn mind! You’re worse than my mother-in-law! Nothing I can say is right!
ha ha, this caption would fit just as well on a picture of my great-grandfather behind the wheel. dangerous, that.
Hey Unc do you know what caliber that is?
Hard to tell which model – 7.92mm if it’s the 2nd World War original, 7.62mm NATO if it’s the current service weapon. I think.
“Dear Auntie Agnes: Keeping Kids Off Her Lawn Since 1972″
“And you’re not getting your damn Frisbee back, either!”
“You hit it you get it!”
‘…… F that.’
Her stews were always meatier during the school holidays… we never really knew why…
Her stews were fabulous, especially with the green wafers…
But what makes a great family meal… and mean a REALLY great, family, meal… the people…
Awww!
That’s what my Karankawan granny used to say. At least I *think*
that’s what she was saying, but I’m not well versed in Atakapan…
My granny spoke assaultapot and I could barely follow along …
Wasn’t that the language of the Lynchaquetl tribe?
No, they were another Cajun offshoot:
the Crushlecreuset.
Soylent green?
Exposition WIN!!!
ist menschen fleisch!
probably 7.63mm with flash suppressor on muzzle, cartridges look to small for 50cal plus 50cal is fairly much a non-Nato/East bloc caliber.
Although it’s as easy to get a 50 cal in some states as it is to get a hand gun…
and yes, it looks a tad small for .50, since a .50 cart is ~5.25in long… so it’s between a .30 and .50… IMO. Chances are a REAL gun pervert would be able to tell you from just looking at the business end and the bullet… but I’m not getting it ATM
This Russian model looks similar:
http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/rp46.htm
Certainly looks the beast… never handled one, nor knowingly had one pointed at me…
…yet
Well, it looks like an elderly man with a light machinegun in a sandy environment. A beach maybe? A veteran of the Normandy landing at a reenactment?
I suspect it’s something similar to this although not that exact model:
http://www.pof.gov.pk/products/images/LARGE/Machine-Gun-MG3.jpg
or this:
http://world.guns.ru/machine/type67-2.jpg
It doesn’t seem to be a German MG34 or MG42. It might be some obscure French model. The scarf and beret are making me think of France.
It’s the former – look at the barrel furniture.
After more searching I’m pretty sure it’s this one:
http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/rp46.htm
Isn’t that John McCain’s son?
He’s far too young… Grandson…
lol McCain is old!
in soviet russia…..
.. hip breaks You !
…the elderly put you in a home!
…teeth take *you* out!
… first thing in the morning, obituaries check you.
“Don’t you DARE cut my Medicare and take away my handicapped parking sticker !!!!!!!!
Damn straight. Stupid government.
FIRST!!
In Soviet Russia 5900, Max is still Mad at you!!!
Now you’re just playing to the cheap seats…
Thanks!
LOL – good one. It’ll be nice to see this place not SO very full of left-wing/pro-Arab stuff and rather lampoon both sides more equally. That’s the only way to really be funny longterm.
What? left-wing/”pro-Arab”? What the hell does that mean? Is that like “pro-abortion” (meaning a nasty turn of phrase on people believing that you should have a right to CHOOSE how you live your life)?
Pro-Arab? I guess that means I’m pro-Arab, since I believe that people have a right to choose how they live.. even in other countries.. who have different cultures.. and/or religions.. Oh noes now I am going to hell! In more than one religion too!!
..And what the hell does “more equally” mean?
Pro-abortion really gets me. No one is pro-abortion. No one.
@charro – Don’t worry, I’ll bring some oreo’s for the hand-basket ride to hell! We were promised padded seating in an earlier thread, and Rhoro is bringing a tambourine, it should make for a good time!
Hand-basket? I was told there was a party bus to hell.
*looks around for bus* Hand-basket’s a definite downgrade.
OOooooohhhhh. That creepy, creepy devil smiley…. It’s all Rho’s fault for finding that damn link…
But…he’s a happy little devil guy. He looks more like a sports-team mascot than a malevolent entity.
Oooooh noooo…… That’s not a happy smile, that’s a “tortures are planned for you” smile….
It’s from the link of the d@mned!
Bwahaha!
Right. I am pro-everyone-should-be-sterilised-and-have-to-fill-out-forms-and-pass-tests-before-being-allowed-to-procreate.
If we did THAT, the only need for abortion would truly be when the baby and/or mother have significant risk of death or malformation (for the baby).
That’s just the fascist in me speaking but.. As I’ve said.. Some of these people who breed just should NOT be allowed to. They are polluting the gene pool with their stupidity.
/end fascist rant
Oh and I’ll bring the Hershey’s Kisses!
It’s not Fascist, it’s Eugenicist…
Why yes. Yes it is. Which some people would see as some kind of fascist/nazi regime to rid the world of stupidity…
you can be Fascist without being eugenicist… and I’m a eugenicist without being overly Fascist… I don’t think I’m fit to breed, so I’ve not done. I’d hate to impose my view of the pinnacle of human development on anyone but me… but I’m really not ‘it’…
Hahaha I’m too lazy to impose my view. But not too lazy to type it out and sigh contentedly.
I was just saying even if I’m not being fascist, some people will see it that way. It’s the nature of humanity.
If it’s not the facist, it’s the slowest
“I am pro-everyone-should-be-sterilised-and-have-to-fill-out-forms-and-pass-tests-before-being-allowed-to-procreate.”
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I have a modified version of your position. I think everyone should undergo a reversible sterilization procedure, and then, when they WANT to procreate, go to the clinic and get it reversed. That would rule out idiots getting pregnant (or impregnating others, to be nonsexist about it) by accident or through laziness or carelessness.
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I have always thought it was the height of unfunny irony that many people become parents by being too lazy or too irresponsible or too brainwashed to use birth control — i.e., by lacking the qualities that make a person fit to be a parent.
And sometimes, it just doesn’t work. Or your idiot male partner confuses The PIll with RU486, calls ‘em “murder pills” and tosses ‘em in the trash.
In which case…stop fncking him?
Yes, yes, I know about the difficulties of abusive relationships. Among the many things this culture needs to work on is better support structure for women who need to get the hell away from abusive males.
But it would still allow stupid people to breed if they so chose. Hence the forms and tests.. To make sure you stand up to my arbitrary definition of “fit to breed”.
No one is pro-abortion. No one.
I am!
In certain cases.
Retro-actively.
.
So, yeah, I agree that “pro-abortion” must be a very, very rare stance.
I guess it comes down to semantics. To me “pro-abortion” would mean that everyone should get abortions. You know, the reverse of “pro-life” where every baby gets to be born.
Gah that’s just stupid. I guess I can’t reason my way out of that one with a pro-lifer.
Yes… I, at least, only imagine “pro-abortion” would mean someone picketing for an increase in abortions. Start doing forced ones, perchance? So yeah, I do agree totally with the loathing of the term.
I am still more baffled by the “pro-arab” bit.
Me too!
You’d think that no one’s pro-abortion until you’re a knocked up 19 year old. Rust me, people will be telling you to get one left, right and center.
Ask me how I know….
You’d think that no one’s pro-abortion until you’re a knocked up 19 year old. Rust me, people will be telling you to get one left, right and center.
Ask me how I know….
Er… “trust”.
Unless your mom and the father are both anti-abortion loonies, who guilt you into having it, and then into have two more immediately after, driving you
to the doctor to get yourself irreversibly “fixed” because your physical health is now shot to hell, causing the father who still wants to keep breeding to make your life a living hell until you agree to give up custody and leave, only to find out that with the five years you were a stay-at-home mom has made you undesirable for the work-force and the living hell period degraded your mental health, so much that youwouldn’t be able to hold a job if anyone gave you one anyway, because you now make Severus Snape look like Mr Warmth next to you, never mind the fact that your physical strength NEVER recovered.
Everyone yaps on about how having kids is so wonderful. No one ever
stops to think how it can totally ruin your own life.
AMEN TO THAT.
People also don’t realise that it can ruin the kid’s life too. Sure, there is always adoption but some people WON’T give their child up, especially after they have walked around it inside them for 9 months.
If you’re already financially shaky, having a kid can put you into poverty. Then you could end up having to raise your child cold, poor and hungry. How is that fair to the child? Or the family?
Maybe you can’t afford medical care for the baby and THAT puts you into poverty.
*walked around with it inside them..
The interesting flip side of that story is the parents who believe every aportion is wrong and horrible except their little girl’s, and right after thanking the clinic staff for treating their precious snowflake they add, “but you’re still going to Hell.”
I am NOT THAT BAD, people!!!!
So, what, the kid did it on purpose? What about the mother? Did she never stop to think to herself, “You know what? Sex makes babies. Maybe I should think a little bit before the next time I hop in the sack.” What we need is better sex ed and more self-control, not a “Get out of Motherhood Free” card.
I know that no form of birth control is 100% effective. See the “better sex ed and more self-control” segment of my post.
Not that I didn’t enjoy the abortion thread, but can someone address this “pro-arab” thing? Like Anniee?
Anyone have any other ideas?
Anniee has a nesting-fail comment at/near the bottom, but it doesn’t clear up
the pro-Arab thing. I think she likes the grape Kool-Aid best…
I found it, thanks Rho.
My dad used to say, “You would just soon try and sandpaper a bobcats butt in a phone booth then mess with me!”
EDDIE!!! *tackle hugs*
Where you been hiding?
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You’re a slippery feller
Busy, busy! No time for fun and games lately.. But thanks for the welcome!
That conjures a disturbing mental image..
I may use that one…
Watch it, now: Eddie’s dad was from Texas. You don’t want to go around
quoting a Texan, now do you?
OT, but froo found an article while she and I were discussing Jack the Ripper.
I had never heard of this other guy, and, if you hadn’t, thought you would
like the read. [LINK]
hadn’t —>haven’t
I was going to adapt it…
I’d heard of him but not looked for any info since 2000… back in 2000 there was little information, so I’ll book mark that…
Just my sort of thing…
I’m curious to know whether the killings took place near the area(s)
where Interstate 35 would later be built. Just a hunch, really.
just off the Slave’s burial ground and on Indian sacred lands…
…and the Balcones Fault Line!
“You would just soon try and sandpaper a bobcats butt in a phone booth”
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Run through hell in gasoline underpants…
Of course, anything with the word “underpants’ in it is automatically somewhat funny.
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Welcome back, Eddie!
Thanks Tessie!
“The Pope” is funnier. It’s the Universal Punch Line.
Why oh Why didn’t they stay off her lawn!? She warned them. She begged and pleaded with them. Now it has come to this. Alas poor school children, I knew them well… Oh wait… I did know them. *grumbles and gives another ammo belt and walks away*
What benighted culture sends their elderly off to die on an iceberg with a bucket of blubber? THAT should be the question.
One some where cold?
The same culture that today still insists on killing endangered whales to prop
up no-longer-needed “tradition”.
And I’m not even speaking of the Japanese or Norwegians, either.
killing one a year for food isn’t exactly factory fishing with explosive harpoon though, now, is it?
Not as exciting either. Explosive harpoons FTW.
I was under the impression that the whale acted as a major staple of the diet for the tribe that hunted it, as opposed to the japanese which is a totally different ball game.
In this day and age, I’m sure they could find something else to eat, even if they had to bloody well move (and I’ve moved enough in the past 10 years because I couldn’t survive where I was at, so I have ABSOLUTELY NO sympathy for anyone who whines about there being nothing where they’re at except endangered species to eat, sorry. They live in North America, there’s no goddamn excuse. They can move south, get a job, beg, steal from a grocery store, get welfare – anything except contributing to the extinction of yet another species just because they want to hold on to some outdated
“tradition”. Natives put WAY too much emphasis on hunting and killing as
the be-all end all of their culture (when, like any of our stone-age ancestors, it was once simply the only way to live.) They can bloody well join the 21st century like the rest of us. Don’t like it? Too bad. Then really go traditional, and give up their motoboats, skidoos, gumpowder, electricity, gas heat, etc.
Gumpowder. This guy needs some.
MMMMmMMmMmMMMMM gumpowder…
this reminds me too much of the boarding schools mentality. kill the Indian and save the man sort. it’s the Natives put WAY too much emphasis on hunting and killing as
the be-all end all of their culture ” that does it
Have a little White Man’s Burden, scarecrow.
I have a hard time getting exercised about the indigenous people’s taking the very few whales their dwindling numbers manage to hunt when the Japanese are still sending factory ships out.
True that, and the indigenous people use every frickin’ square inch
of the animal, to boot.
Not any more, Rhorho. You’re thinking about the pre-industrial age, pre-conversion Native.
When the Natives complained about not being able to hunt in Algonquin Provincial Park, Ontario relented and let them do it. They started coming out
of the park with truckloads full of deer – the wardens couldn’t do a thing about it, except watch helplessly.
Regardless of their colour, humans are humans, and humans are quite wasteful, greedy, selfish beings – especially when they’re not relying on living in skin tents and needing every calorie, every bit of fur, just to keep warm.
It isn[‘t a matter of necessity for them any more. It’s simply a matter of spite, and holding on to some aspect of a dead past. Frankly, if they were true to the animistic nature of their ancestor’s true culture, they would celebrate the idea that they don’t need to kill their wild brothers any more, and would be the number one advocates of leaving it alone (as one tribe in BC admirably didi when defending a very friendly Orca by declaring it the reincarnation of their dead chief and refusing to allow the DFO to force it away. Unfortunately, the Orca was too friendly and wound up being cut to ribbons by a boat
motor.) I find this kind of thinking to be the exception rather than the rule, because for the most part, those damnable residential schools did too a good job in Christianizing them and taking away their much morally (in terms of how to treat nature, anyway) superior old religion.
AND … keep in mind the reality of the Buffalo Jump. The numbers of bison driven over the cliffs would have been way too much for anyone to use,never mind the problems of getting at the beasts at the bottom of the pile.
Also keep in mind that their religious views may well have been grounded in experience; many palaeontologists now think that the earliest North Americans may have gone on a total killing spree upon encountering so much
large fauna innocent of experience with human weapons that wiped out much of the North and South American megafauna not long after they arrived and spread out. There are precedents that are known for instance – the Moa was killed off by native New Zealanders, not by the whites, who had missed the bird by a couple hundred years or so.
The linked article spells out the history of Makah tribal
cooperation (e.g. ceasing to whale hunt in 1926), the intent
of the Makah tribe (including restricting whale products to
tribal food and ceremonial use), and the modest quantity
(four whales per year for five years) involved.
You seem to be touring the globe, with a healthy disdain
for any culture but your own and those similar.
To quote a friend, “Have a little White Man’s Burden.”
No, I’ve simply heard the same kind of attitude come from Native mouths as I’ve heard come from white redneck mouths much too often. “Oh, the deer come up to your porch? If it was me, I’d have my gun out!” I’d tell them I
didn’t need to shoot them for food, they’d reply it didn’t matter; they’d do it because they _could_. And that they could save money on food for their cigarettes, beer, pot and cocaine. Not all them were like this; not all whites are like this. But basically the same words would come out of both native and non-native mouths.
It’s a matter of an endangered species over mere culture. Should anything and everything be preserved just because it was once part of a group’s way of doing things, back when there was no choice? Should we have kept slavery, just because that’s how it was always done by our ancestors?
Of course not. What about New Guinean cannibalism? Should that
have been kept (never mind the fact that many cultures throughout the wold have practiced it ritually in some form or another at different
times?) Should the same Inuit that kill the whales still put their elderly out on the ice floes, just because that’s what their ancestors did? No? Then why should it be different if the “tradition” in question involves killing animals instead of people?
And so, even though I am definitely not a fan of Bush, if it culture and tradition are so sacrosanct, then why isn’t he seen as simply continuing a long-standing white cultural practice of going to another land and stealing the
land and resources of other people? Four or five whales might seem like a lot, but it’s a much more significant percentage of the whale population than even a few hundred thousand Iraqis are a percentage of the total human population of seven billion. It’s all nothing more than killing for selfish reasons just because you can.
And never mind the “white man’s burden.” Whites have come a
long way when it comes to change, too. It’s kind of like going to another country, and being expected to adapt to their ways (rightly) but people from that country coming here and expecting to keep their ways without adapting to us. All humans are going to have to change a lot, and change very quickly, if anything is going to continue to survive on this Earth – whites, Asians, Natives, and everyone of every hue and colour and creed, else the planet
will just continue to drown in its own blood.
Eliminating the extraneous points and straw men,
I’ve boiled your post to a single fact fail: As noted
in my attached article, the
Your statement, “It’s a matter of an endangered
species over mere culture” is not valid in this case,
the end.
As much as I usually hate straw men, I must admit having a good chuckle over your drawing in of New Guinea cannibals, Inuits on ice floes, Redneck toxin abuse, Redneck attitudes about deer, Bush’s Middle Eastern escapades, and immigrant culture adaptation issues. Wow.
Looks like you got to everything except a point.
[LINK] Wiki on Straw Man Fallacy
Why is it a straw man? I’m talking about attitude, and whether or not the shell of a bad cultural practice should be continued just because it can be, at the expense of another’s life. Just because I don’t see “white man bad, everyone else good, no matter what they do” … a rotten, useless outdated practice is a rotten, useless outdated cultural practice no matter who does it. I’m not one
of those wishy-washy Greenpeace types who thinks, say, bashing in the heads of seals is OK if done by the Innu, but bad if done whites – it’s
wrong if done by EITHER of them. And insisting on killing whales just because the ancestors did it is just as wrong as setting old people out
on ice floes just because the ancestors did it.
It? THEY are straw men because you have
propped them up to remove yourself five
ways to Sunday from the Makah/Gray Whale
topic. The key to a good straw man is that
it is much easier to knock down than the
topic at hand, and, on the surface, appears
to draw a parallel.
You’re bordering on Red Herring Fallacy with
your newly drawn-in “wishy-washy Green-
peace” business. How many asides do you
plan to try?
They are parallels, and you’re repeatedly missing the point. But OK, let’s stick strictly to whales. Many nations with whaling pasts gave up whaling for the good of the whale populations. Japan, Norway and the Makah
refuse to give it up because they all cite cultural reasons.
The Japanese DO eat the whale meat they get, they just do their business at a larger scale. But do they need it? No. Do the Makah need it? No. So, except for matters of scale, WTF is the difference? The Japanese, quite rightly, point to the Makah and say that if anti-whaling types will put up with them doing for food and cultural reasons, why can’t they, the Japanese, do it, why
should THEY stop? How will ANYONE convince the Japanese
to stop doing what they do, if others are permitted to do
the same thing? The Makah do it on a smaller scale because there
are quite simply fewer of them. Guaranteed, if they had the
numbers. the money and the power that the Japanese do,
they would do it on the same scale as the Japanese – and they
would _both be using the exact same excuse to do it._
I’m sorry, but listening to you two is making me crave cigarettes, beer, and pot. I’ll be back in a minute. Does anyone want the rest of this coke on this hooker’s @ss?
Hey! Watch it with the cold hands!!
I’ll take it!! *snort*
Thanks for warming your hands first.
I aim to please.
FaileV: It was the boarding schools that basically negated the entire rest of their culture, leaving the hunting/trapping BS the one thing they cling on to. Where they once did have a spiritual connection (as well as a necessary one) to
the land and the animals they depended on, all that structure is now gone. Now they seem to be just a bunch of greedy bastards – not unlike the white man himself – who will take their “hunting rights” and use it to kill when, where and as much as they feel like, without the respect or restraint their animist, stone-age ancestors purportedly did.
They will even include the selling of wildlife or it’s parts as “subsistence” (the argument between Native and non-Native commercial salmon fishermen in BC revolves around this. The non-Natives are furious that the Natives can catch as many salmon as they like, when and where the commercial fishermen can’t, turn around and sell the salmon, and call it subsistence fishing, whereas if it were anyone else, it would be commercial because at least a potion of the catch was sold for money. Meanwhile, if a non-Native were starving, and caught one fish for to eat that night without a license, s/he could be charged with poaching.
And hey, the Inuit whalers DON’T still put their elderly out on ice floes, do they? Thought it was once _culturally necessary_ because a band of nomadic stone-agers can’t afford to be held up by the infirm. It’s the same reason that, in a war, southern Natives would tomahawk to death individuals (even their own) who were too wounded to walk. Now, there are alternatives. Just like there’s alternatives to the meat of endangered whales.
Slan – As for the Japanese, they’re using the same damn stupid argument as the Inuit – that’s it’s tradition, they’ve always eaten it, and what are us
“white men” doing bitching about it? It’s not the numbers that matter.
The Inuit are allowed to get away with it thanks to white guilt, so why should the Japanese see themselves as any different? One exception opens the door to the “me, too” slippery slope. If a society is going to have rules (whether a national society or a worldwide one), then those rules MUST be applied evenly across the board – else everyone will be crying “Well, the rules shouldn’t apply to me either, I’m special too!”
Okay your first problem is that you are assuming every single native american tribe is like one another, when it couldn’t possibly be farther from the truth. You are also using the fallacy of generalization, because there are some that do something wrong, they are all greedy bastards.
1. the boarding schools were an atrocity that did far more harm than good and completely screwed up that generation causing horrible vibrations through the culture causing a huge amount of distrust for the government (and frankly i don’t see why they shouldn’t be distrustful after the abuse and Sh!t they were subjected to).
2. I honestly don’t think you understand anything about the culture at all if you keep going on about how they cling to hunting BS. The fact of the matter is many natives can’t just go out and get jobs, it is a completely different culture with different taboos and different ideas and sometimes they just can’t cut it in the ‘white world’ because it’s just too alien. On top of that there is the white privilege, a bias that most don’t acknowledge, but the standards are really white standards and the education on reservations is deplorable in many cases, the bottom of the barrel and many of the teachers are white middle class women, people the students can not relate to at all, to the point that some grow up believing higher education is not for natives, but a white person thing. So there is the problem to lose part of yourself, or to remain in an educational dead end.
3. There are cases where tribes are still very spiritual in their use of animal parts. I know that every single native I have met considers it a travesty that an eagle feather should be befouled by touching the ground or something else. They are incredibly serious about that sort of thing, as well as the animals that they use during the Sun Dance, a sacred dance that is practiced and primarily associated with the buffalo, I’d go into it more but i’m hoping to tempt you into actually researching a bit into the tribes.
Again some does not equal all
4. slippery slopes are a fallacy for a reason. I fully agree with you that the Japanese whaling industry for “science” is disgusting and should be stopped however there is a difference in numbers, if the Japanese could reduce numbers so that they no longer kill more whales in the area than are born then fine. If the Inuit are killing more whales than can be born i do think they should stop or reduce their hunting, but in the same light, if there are enough numbers to support a given amount of hunting, how is it then different from our own traditions of thanksgiving turkey, or just our own animal consumption because of our own dietary traditions. We eat what we eat out of tradition, and it happens to have a large amount of animals involved. Had we decided long ago that guinea pigs should be a staple we would now have a large amount them bred to be much bigger. It really isn’t that different, it’s simply a matter of what is accepted in the dominant culture. If we were to use those rules (it’s okay as long as there’s enough” then the tribe in rho’s article would be in the clear, they agreed not to hunt when the animals were endangered and dealt with an impact assessment. The Japanese are obviously hunting far too many animals for the area to support.
Now it seems that your rules are “It’s not okay with this animal at all ever” in which case that would lead either to bias “well we like to eat cow, who cares if it’s sacred or special to you” or it’s own slippery slope where even if there are plenty of numbers, if an animal is deemed special it isn’t allowed to be eaten.
Have a nasty effeminate hug of old Fester for that one…
Seconded, and: Wow.
yeah, that one pushed a few of my buttons.
1. I agree with the residential schools criticism. It took away the real foundations of Native culture in Canada – their language and religion.
2. Whaling is just plain wrong – all the large cetaceans are endangered
and they should all be protected across the board – from all humans,
regardless of who they are and what their excuse is.
3. I’ll criticize whatever I think is wrong, regardless of who is doing it. I’ll criticize the eating of whales, just as I’ll criticize the eating of dogs and cats.
which I think is absolutely disgusting, and I don’t give a diddly damn about any cultural BS. It’s no different to me than someone criticizing Muslims for stoning their women over adultery. It’s their culture, but does it make it right?
I bet if I was criticizing some human-on-human injustice that was “cultutrally based” you’d be singing a different tune, even if it didn’t result in killing.
4. Also keep in mind that the excuse of hunting rights is also promoted by the WHITE government, to prop up industries that are unpopular with other countries – fur trapping and sealing, for instance. Some moron MP
from Manitoba once tried to push a bill through to make ANY public criticism of hunting illegal! It’s just a shame that so many tribes have indeed bought into that kind of thinking.
5. I’m fully aware of a Manitoba-based organization called The Native-Animal Alliance, which is quite anti-fur-trade. Unfortunately, I cannot find a web site for them, only references by others. I don’t know if they’re defunct or not, I hope not, because more power to them if they’re still around.
Do you not see your own cultural bias? I will fully agree if a creature is endangered they should not be eaten, they should be protected, which would include many whales (after a 5 minute search i found some that are not on the endangered list). I do believe that killing off a species and ruining an ecosystem is wrong. However why is eating a cat or a dog wrong? can you really answer that besides saying “they’re special” i doubt it, there’s nothing in particular that makes them special. They are smart, well pigs are smarter, they are cute, well so are guinea pigs, there is nothing that makes them different from any farm animal, they are simply domesticated animals manipulated for a purpose and the only thing making them “wrong” to eat is your own cultural bias. The culture you belong to have been around for a long time and it happens to see the digestion of Mr. fluffy as wrong. Would i eat a dog? no probably not, hypocritical maybe, but i have too much emotional attachment, just like i dislike eating rabbit or duck at the same time i can’t look down on someone else for eating them, it’s meat and if they aren’t killing off the species, ruining the ecosystem or other detrimental permanent damage, then they can eat whatever they want.
“I bet if I was criticizing some human-on-human injustice that was “cultutrally based” you’d be singing a different tune, even if it didn’t result in killing.” You know what, you’re probably right, because generally injustice has detrimental effects on a species, typically ours, but my idea of it is the same, if it has no detrimental effect on a species or the ecosystem then I’m not one to say it is ‘wrong’. This is getting into moral theory, a topic which i love, but don’t feel would be properly put to use in discussing here.
Just, think for a moment over why you feel certain things are wrong. how is a dog or cat different from a chicken, cow, or pig other than it being what your culture has decided it wrong or good to eat.
ah, the ‘I’m sure they could…’ argument… how cute… they could live off that govt surplus filth maybe? Nothing like late dated Cheez-Whizz on slightly stale Wonder Bread… Just take a dose of STFU…
WIN
Yeah. Bloody waste of good blubber!
I don’t think this guy wants to go back to the assisted living facility.
Charro, taking his cue from Benedict, kicks it into hyperactive hyperdrive.
Take a valium, Charro; I had two windows open and commented on the wrong pic.
That doesn’t explain what “pro-arab” means.
Also, I’m a girl.
No problem; at any rate realize to yourself that the comment had no context here on this picture. At all. This is why it doesn’t make any sense. When I comment again, on a picture where the comment is supposed to be, it will make sense. Mistakes making sense? Not so much.
You’re completely missing the point.
I can understand you made a mistake, I’m not daft woman.
What I don’t understand is what “pro arab” means.
You obviously intended to write that as a comment SOMEWHERE, so you must know what it means.
The statement that is, not the context the statement is supposed to fit in with. Please explain yourself and stop trying to hide behind your “mistake”.
Or perhaps you could link where the statement “pro arab” is supposed to go and we can continue this over there where you feel more comfortable explaining your terms that make no sense?
I don’t see what there is to explain. The words are self-explanatory in and of themselves. Only the context was wrong.
I’d like for you to explain it to me since it is your term.
Nesting fail – this format blows, though.
pro- means forward. Arab is those who identify as such on cultural or linguistic grounds. Dikshunary – it helps.
*sigh*
You are still missing the point. Sure I can look those words up in the dictionary, but the dictionary doesn’t have the definition for your term.
*ahem*
“pro-life” means a belief that all babies should be born,
regardless of what the mother/father/family/doctor thinks may
be best for the woman etc. Look up those individual words in the dictionary and you’ll see nothing of the sort. I daresay someone not familiar with English would be very confused by the term “pro-life” and what it means in the
vernacular. It would need to be explained to them, and I bet you would even be rude to them for not speaking your crazy moon language.
Hell, even your supposed answer makes no sense. Maybe you should utilise the dictionary.
Thanks for being obtuse this whole time though, I can see that reasoning with you is like reasoning with a brick wall, only harder.
Brains- they help.
I am pro-banana!
How odd – it seemed you were the one being deliberately obtuse. Also WAY preoccupied with minutiae.
You’re boring, too.
An expression is a bit past just minutiae, and you are the one refusing to explain wtf it means with it belonging some secret elsewhere. Don’t try to pretend to be able to claim any victim status on this. :p
Damnit. Missing out on writin “An expression like ‘pro-arab’ is a bit past…” is also a bit past just minutiae. I am sorry about that. :p
By the way, what were you going to try to “reason with me” about? I didn’t even make a declarative statement ffs.
She wants those of Arab descent or culture to move forward, not be moved back 3 spaces while playing boardgames.
Finally, someone who gets it.
Now can I have a whale-fin steak with the blubber on the side? Preferably shot by an exploding harpoon.
*shoots Anniee with an exploding harpoon*
pro- means forward. Arab is those who identify as such on cultural or linguistic grounds. Dikshunary – it helps.