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THOUGHTS: Our President now has them.
(Barack Obama)
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First!
*smack*
Damned first!
*waves fly swatter menacingly*
I’ll get you..
*smack*
*joins charro*
I’ve still got my pink mace can! Break yoself bobblehead!
Yes, yes you are. Proud, your parents has it.
Moving on…
Tertiary syphilis – bobblehead has it…
Let me guess, you voted for Bush.
I did.
Well, at least you admit it… now… are you sorry for it?
Did you know that wearing untreated wool reduces your chances of acid reflux?
Now this is just unfair. Bush’s thinkerator was just full of cool thoughtchamajiggies.
I thought it was just full of hot air.
No, no, no. Plenty of thoughtchamacallits in there. “I’m totally right about this,” “Jesus loves me better’n you,” and “Damn, I miss drinkin’” being among the most frequent.
“damn, i miss drinkin”? more like “damn, i miss doin rails off coke whores in dallas…”
Now now, don’t give coke and whores a bad name.
“damn, i miss drinkin”? more like “damn, i miss doing coke rails off strippers in dallas…”
Me too! Except it wasn’t Dallas.
Damn I’m boring…
It’s only glamourous the first few times. Then you realise you’re doing coke off a stripper and it’s less glamourous.
Ok, not really. It’s always fun.
I’ll take your word for it.
Probably wise.. After a while it messes up unuzuly lrg branes.
Ah, gotcha.
Borking good times Charro!
the only thing better than doing coke with strippers is… um… i’m drawing a blank here… oh yeah… doing coke with strippers!
…and doing body shots with them!!!
I really enjoy strippers….too bad there aren’t any good ones in Wisconsin.
There’s a place in Lake Geneva.. Something about Sugar Shack I think. It was decent.
Good to know! I went to a couple places near here, and I wasn’t terribly impressed. They’ve both since been closed due to prostitution indictments!
I went to one off Duval street in Key West that was simply awesome…Red Garter or something like that. Maybe I’ll got check out Lake Geneva for my Birthday!
I recommend it, but it is far more expensive than the strip clubs I am used to in AZ. But still, it was decent.
=o)
im too young to go in but i hear that Silk Exotic is realllly good
And who doesn’t?
Too funny!! Thinkerator! Thoughtchamajiggies! God, I wish I had known those words throughout the last eight years!
Technically not our president until Tuesday.
Also it more looks like he’s thinking of where the penny the Secret Service hid is more than coming up with something to rule the nation. Not making a comment on his abilities, just on the image.
Gotta agree with this assessment; not so much a “thinker” pose.
Kinda looks more like a “can I sneak off a nose pick while nobody’s lookin’?” or “I’m so f***in bored I may s**t myself to see if anybody notices,” sorta thing.
Or maybe he’s just wondering “hoof arted?”
Or “Hmm…am I getting a zit on my chin there?”
Squee! Likey that one! LOL!
Definitely nothing Jack Handeyish here, that’s for sure.
Move along, folks. Nothing to see!
“It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.”
Jack Handey.
“Am I absolutely SURE that I turned off the iron?”
“They say, ‘Only her hairdresser knows for sure,’ but I’m thinking blue
isn’t a natural hair color…”
“… I’ll ask Bill if it all matches”
OMG LOL!
” Where now should I build the first “Re-Education camps” for the masses?”
You would have to be educated before the term ReEducated could be used on you.
Far more educated than you, I guarantee. I’m talking Reducation to the Liberal Koolaid drinking Obamatrons…
Now why pray tell would Obama want to “reducate” the Obamatrons?
U. R. Very Dumb.
To make people INTO Obamatrons I meant.
“Far more educated than you, I guarantee.”
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“To make people INTO Obamatrons I meant.”
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Things that make you go, hmmmmmmmm.
the koolaid has been spiked with bacardi!
Which makes it a significant improvement over plain Kool-Aid.
*looks at empty pitcher*
Uh, Mike? If you want us to drink your Kool-Aid, might I
suggest you make a little more next time?
(That’s going to hurt in the morning…)
*hands mike a glass of water and some ibuprofen*
Damn, damn, damn… I’m going to have to ask another foreign-devil question… what is it with Kool-Aid?
Oh… I should have read on further down. Teaches me for being absent so long…
Could be worse- I could be a low paid whiney teacher who spends her life on the internet insulting people and acting like a …..oh..wait a minute…
Comeback fail. Did you learn that one in the third grade? Why don’t you try your insults out on the playground first before you play with the adults.
PWNED!!!!!!!!
Sock…
Shoo …
…lace.
Insulting a teacher, who obviously has more sense than you is a GREAT way
to show how much more educated you are than the rest of us.
Obviously educated enough to realize that without those underpaid teachers, you
wouldnt be trying to brag to and insult a bunch of people on the internet
who obviously dont care for someone so emotionally stunted.
Obviously educated enough to realize that through your words you’ve epic failed
at 3 things: Being a decent person, making any type of lasting impression
other than being annoying troll, and lastly, being convincing.
No one here has even a notion that you’re educated. Not a one.
He hasn’t been the same since Ike left him…
okay that one got mountain dew up my nose…ow just ow
Sorry!
*huggles Max*
I’m wondering how you became “far more educated than me” without learning from low paid whiney teachers. It certainly isn’t our teachers faults that they aren’t paid well, specifically early in their careers. However, if you really were educated you would know that most teachers who have been teaching for 10+ years actually make pretty decent money. Of course they can’t compete with high paid whiney actors and athletes who contribute nothing of significance to society. Low paid whiney teachers might be teaching someone today who could change the world tomorrow.
Education (I believe) is the answer to all of America’s problems.
Insulting those who provide this service shows how truly ignorant you are. Um, not you Steve, the other guy.
Not to mention, insulting teachers causes young people to think twice about doing something that valuable as a career. Which is not good for
society as a whole.
*hugs VG*
*hugs Jane back*
Borking right Charro! *hugs*
Sifnuta! You know it Jane!!!
*hugs*
*huggles Steve*
The teachers I’m personally acquainted with work hard for notoriously low pay to educate people’s kids. What’s YOUR hotsy-totsy accomplishment in life?
*hugs Tessie*
Not some of the teachers I know- they s-ck!
That’s how i read it.
Perhaps by “reducate” he means make them red instead of blue?
Doubtful but you do remind me of Evil Pundit though. Rather amusing really, especially if you think I am a liberal.
Yeah.. definitely a conservative, this one.
Definitely not a conservative or moderate…. Nope- Liberal it is!
we were talking about you mike…
definitely a pissed of elephant you didn’t get what he wanted…
boohoo…
**who** not you…
.
that’s what i get for trying to write this while being on the phone…
What does Koolaid have to do with being Liberal?
It relates to some cult that committed suicide by drinking poisoned Koolaid. Not sure why that was then associated with US liberals, but it most definitely is.
He’s associating Heaven’s Gate with Liberals? Oh my. I thought being liberal meant that I was open minded to new ideas and tolerant of other people’s beliefs and cultures. I didn’t know that liberals had strict religious affiliations that we would try to legislate on the rest of the world…wait…that sounds a lot like conservatives! I’m so confused! My inferior middle class intellect cannot comprehend his superior logic.
You’re broad-brushing it, dear
I’ve known many open-minded people on the left side of the aisle, along with just as many narrow-minded liberals
I certainly am. I was trying to use the same broad brush on him that painted me into a corner with the Heaven’s Gate cult.
Of course I know my generalizations aren’t accurate, but that was my point.
*offers Froo peace brownies*
The kool-aid incedent was originally used at Jonestown in the 70’s…..How’s that for a publicly educated “Boo-Hooing Elephant”?
A new name, Mike?
Sock fail by the Mikester for sure there AC!
Wrongo, sock puppet master!
Yes, yes… you’re Professor Moriarty.
Typical ‘Master’ Criminal, never gets tired of his own voice…
You should speak! geez, don’t you ever get tired of being a troll ? Get off the internet and get a life, you monotonous twerp!
While ever it grieves folk like you… no…
Anti Fester…. Wow… just wow…
How someone so educated could be so… well…. bad at everything
he does is beyond me.
Now the real question: Why cant louts like him be bad at
breathing?
I have an inhaler, so there!
Proof that there is no god…
*takes brownie, gives hug*
I thought that poisoned Kool Aid was in Jonestown.
What, exactly, is KoolAid?
Wiki tells me that it is some sort of flavoured powder that is added to water, making the drink of the same name.
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At a guess, it is similar to, although clearly different from, cordial (which you might know as squash). (Link in name on this if I’m not clear on this one)
Powdered drink mix consisting mainly of colored sugar, most famous for Jim Jones and his cult’s mass suicide in Guyana in the ’70s. Wiki article linked.
And Jim Jones’ cult was called “Heaven’s Gate”, as in Steve’s post above.
I thought Heaven’s Gate was actually in the United States. Or was that Hale Bopp?
Both cults grew strong in California. “The
People’s Temple moved to Guyana, but the
“Heaven’s Gate” cult committed their mass
suicide in San Diego. They’re the ones who
thought they would be hitching a ride on a
comet.
That’s right. I remember laughing at them because they were on the news and being in AZ I was close to them.
Oops. ‘IIRC’ wasn’t correct. My bad!
No, “Heaven’s Gate” was a cult led by Marshall
Applewhite. Jim Jones’ cult was called “The
People’s Temple.”
[LINK] Wiki re “Heaven’s Gate”
No, Heaven’s Gate was another cult altogether. Jim Jones’ cult was the People’s Temple Agricultural Project, of all things…Sounds like some kinds of bizarre 4-H fringe group.
The group was called “The People’s Temple,”
and the commune was called the “People’s
Temple Agricultural Project.” They were
making startling progress in composting…
Ah, thanks for the correction! That actually makes more sense.
*realizes she used “makes sense” in reference to Jonestown*
*head asplodes*
Am I ancient or does anyone else remember “The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test”? Ubr’s comment about Baccardi made me think of Kesey, not Jones. If I knew how link on PK I’d refer to Wikipedia’s entry.
Vaguely, but not well enough to get the reference, I guess.
*insert obligatory nitpicky comment about it being Flavor-Aid, not Kool-Aid, here*
Very true! I always picture some poor guy in public relations at the KoolAid company who has spent a large part of his life saying “Nooo, it wasn’t even our product! Not Kool-Aid at all!”
It really was Kool-Aid brand mix. Unfortunately, it didn’t
cut the taste of the cyanide, as planned. Many of the
adult corpses were found to have been injected.
Many more were found shot, in a pattern surrounding the commune that suggested they were hunted down as they fled.
And this is why it’s called “Drink the KoolAid”- if you don’t blindly believe Obama’s speeches and lies, you are referred to as one who won’t drink the KoolAid. And if you don’t , you will be hunted down and killed as you flee.
Rather like the blind belief in anything… Nice to see Bizarro Fester gets the joke…
Holy crap! He’s angry aint he Fester?
I mean did he just seriously advocate hunting down and shooting
people for voting differently than him? Holy SH*T!
Look right above the comment, asshat!
Still being a sad, empty wannabe… ah well…
Also with the same, empty, retarded opinions too…
Still good to know I’m an annoyance to you though… I gives me such a warm feeling to know want me that badly…
Thank you.
I believe that it was actually the Flavor Aid brand that was used in Jonestown.
The phrase “drinking the Kool Aid” refers to embracing a cults beliefs.
Correction: not heaven’s gate, but the Jonestown cult. Please to click name.
Ah, right you are. Heaven’s gate mixed their poison with vodka.
The implication, as I understand it, is that those who “drink the Kool-Aid” are brainwashed, mindless followers, rather than adherents of a particular belief system. I’ve seen it directed against both/all sides of the political spectrum.
Correction: both sides of the aisle use it to describe partisans of the other side.
HEY! WE GOT A NEW WHINER! othing original though… just the same old crap. There must be blood getting in to oxycontin system… least he won’t be taking it per-anum, since his head up there…
MMMmMMmMmmmmm oxycontin
i prefer demerol… or just good old morphine patches…
Darvon… Diazepam… It’s all good.
*zzzzzzzzzzz*
Damn. And all I brought back from the UK was 8/500 co-codamol and 12/200 ibuprofen with codeine…I so fail at being a hardcore stoner.
Never had any of it. I took one Darvocette once and slept for
24 hours. So step out of the way, Bud: There’s a bigger
light-weight in town!
I’m with you on that. I’ve only had Demerol, and that was for surgery…and it turned me into ‘vomit girl’. So this light-weight will have to stick
with daiquiris (one per big evening, sigh)!
Mixing opioids and benzodiazepines is dangerous rho..
Oh she’s unconscious.
*looks through pill stash*
Hey look! Xanax! *nomnomnom*
LOL@ *nomnomnom*
You can keep your Xanax, buddy. I’d be doing the nom’ing on hydrocodone!
are you a heroin junkie?
That came out of left field… What are you getting at ubr?
I can tell you a heroin addict would need a WHOLE LOT of hydrocodone to get high, or even to get rid of the dope sick.
Heroin addicts would know this and go for the oxycontins.
sorry, was thinking of methadone…
While methadone is most commonly known for “heroin maintenance” it is a powerful opioid analgesic. It does get prescribed for the same reasons as other opioids, but many people see it as a tainted drug rather than something that serves a purpose.
Currently, America is shifting away from methadone maintenance to a drug called Suboxone. This has been used in Europe for years and the FDA is finally approving it for human use in the U.S.. People are excited about this drug for several reasons.
1. It can be prescribed as most other drugs, meaning you get a month supply from the pharmacy.
2. It contains naloxone, which is an opioid blocker. It’s what they give to people who are od’ing on opioids.
3. It does not allow other opioids to bind to the opioid receptors in your brain, so trying to get high while on suboxone does not work. Well it’s supposed to not let you, at any rate.
4. It has a “ceiling”, meaning you can’t take more than x amount of suboxone to get high. Like you can with vicodin or oxycontins.
Being a heroin addict is not something to be ashamed of, any more than being depressed or bi-polar. It is a medical condition and can require layers of “help” to proceed normally in life. Like with all other psychiatric conditions, there is no “cure” there is only maintenance which can include drugs, therapy, etc.
It’s also not something to be joked about or taken lightly.
Incidently, did you know that methadone and darvocet (darvon) are chemical cousins? Almost exactly the same in structure.
…a little White Widow will do the trick nicely.
Demerol made me vomit. But it also made me hallucinate, so I guess it’s all good.
Passes charro the peace pipe… Here, this will cure that nausea, guaranteed!
If that peace pipe is loaded with Mary Jane, it will also make me vomit. Sadly.
really? that’s absolutely terrible…
Mary Jane worked for my aunt’s chemo nausea, though. And gave the munchies–all good!
I’m the only person I know who pukes when poking smot.
Gave my brother an asthma attack. But then it is a WEED.
Well technically its a flower…. a strange… hairy flower.
How’s that butthurt sandwich treatin’ ya? Too much mustard, not enough dignity?
The look on his face is more along the lines of “I’m thinking cream upholstery with tangerine accent pillows” Pensive yes, not overtly deep however… not enough scowl for a deep thought.
***boring***
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can we have some more interesting LOLs?
Seconds.
Damn. You beat me to the same comment by 2 minutes.
Uhm. Six. Six minutes.
And it’s “Frist”, don’tcha know.
No, (Mr., Miss, Mrs. Ms.) ‘Literal’, look down. Look at 2 Main posts under this one.
You’ll see my post was 2 minutes after dissimilitude’s post.
you mean my post?
D’oh! Yup, I mean YOUR post ubr!
Good thing there was nothing at stake if I messed up, ’cause I did, twice.
HEH!
FAIL FOR MEE!! OH NOES
LOL!!!
Yup, and for me too…
ah well, ’tis life
Frist was so first-term-Bush. There hasn’t been need to bring him up in a lol for ages!
Nah- now that he’s almost President, it’s his turn to be sh*tted on.
Or shat upon. Whichever, it’s inevitable.
I bet they didn’t tell him that part of the job at orientation…
Best picture let. I laughed so hard.
boring…
How did this make the home page? I’m not saying it’s not true, but there are some really creative captions waiting in the wings. How do some of these really boring ones make it so quickly?
yeah… i have three really nice ones sitting there… waiting…
You’re right- almost all of them are funnier.
Yr capshuns, they has win.
I favorited your Silence! one–LOVED it!!
Looks more like he’s thinking ” Can’t I find ANYONE in the Democrat party to nominate for a position who won’t cause a scandal over unpaid taxes, illegal nannies or outright criminal activities?”
Could be, you never know.
On the other hand, it looks like the Republicans always look for those with the most extensive criminal experience in order to give them the most influential positions.
Which behavior would you rather see in the POTUS?
Haven’t listened to the news today, have you?
My point was that at least Obama is attempting to find people above reproach, where the Republican party seems to reward illicit behavior, as long as they’re not caught. As soon as they’re caught, they’re thrown under the bus, but that’s right-wing politics for you.
So again, which would you rather have in office, someone who actively tries to find the best, and most honest people for a position, or someone who rewards and enables corruption?
Personally, I don’t think there is any such thing as an honest politician who has been in office more than one year, but at least Obama is trying.
“As soon as they’re caught, they’re thrown under the bus,”
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Or whine about how they’re “victims”.
Very true. I am so sick and tired of the right-wing, political and religious, playing the part of ‘victim’.
I am equally sick and tired of the left-wing falling for it every frickin’ time!.
‘Oh my god, you’re a victim? How can we slit our own wrists in order to help you feel less like a victim?’
Like Bill O’Reilly and the few thousand oxycotin tabs and the collection of forged prescriptions…
And let’s not forget stand-up comedian Rush Limbaugh.
Wait, wasn’t he the oxy and BillO the Clown something else? I can’t keep track anymore.
Bill was Oxy AND he had Viagra in someone else’s name… which was in violation of his probation, and should have had his ass thrown in jail, but for some reason didn’t…
And it was all the fault of that liberal atmosphere he had to breathe during the Clinton era. And to add insult to injury, he had to endure the liberal rehab. Poor, poor baby.
Finally! The intertoobz has been nomming my comments this morning. I been sittin’ here talkin’ to meself. If folks find numerous doubles, it’s all becuse the interwebs like me not
Oh and no, I haven’t seen the news yet today, but have you been watching the news for the last 6 years? Please, Republican, Corruption is thy middle-name.
Use your real name Seth.
Sorry, I don’t know Seth, but if you think I’m him, I’m sure he and I would get along well.
Seriously, if he has a pictures page here, would you please point me to it? I’d love to see who your mistaking me for.
It’s a huge compliment. If Seth has a page, I’m not aware of
it. Maybe someone else will know.
After reading some of Seth’s posts, I thought so too. Then I considered the source and realized that this Beth person hasn’t had an original idea
since, well, since her pastor shoved them into her head.
She seems to simply spew forth that which she thinks will insult the other person.
All well and good since I’m not trying to emulate anyone up here anyway.
Damn Damn Damn! I can’t believe I posted “your” instead of “you’re”!
I hate when people do that. Now I’m going to have to be punished.
Preferred method?!
Here’s your reward: I made a similar mistake yesterday (left “-ed” off the end of a verb that I meant to be in the past tense). Seeing your mistake is comforting to me.
Thanks Paul.
Simple mistakes don’t bother me too much.
What bothers me, is either that education in the US has taken a dramatic turn for the dismal in the last two generations, or, the advent of the internet has simply given us all a better glimpse into the minds and hearts of the truly stupid and/or ignorant. I suspect it’s a bit of both. What bothered me about my post is that I made one of the most common mistakes made by the stupid and/or ignorant, and that takes away my right of righteous-indignation toward these people, unless they are consistent repeat offenders. I like being righteously indignant! (occasionally)
Haven’t listened to the news the last twenty-nine years, have you?
huh? i don’t understand the point you’re trying to make… republicans did what?
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and btw, do you really want the sec tres to not be able to fill out his taxes properly?
That would be helpful to the Democrats though….
If they were any good at math, they wouldn’t be Democrats.
True.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. yes. i like. maths. *sigh*
Republican Math – Banks, screwing each other over, driving the world economy into the ground at speed. So, we pay them for the excellent job…
Yes, that balances…
Retardedness, you has it…
Wait, UF, I thought you were unaffiliated.
How about a little balance to that thought? I’m intrigued regarding your perception of of Democrat Math.
Care to elucidate?
Unc is an equal opportunity castigator, indeed.
Like H*ll he is- he’s a Liberal sock puppet all the way! Why are you Libs so afraid to admit what you are ?
No you reatrd, I’m not a liberal… But, just sine you have the attention span of a gnat, accompained by a taste for mind altering drugs and opioid painkillers…
I realy don’t care what filthy, corrupt, foetid pile of pigs entrails you elect, be it from Ru-Paul to Denny the Hose Kuch (although I can more happly look at Denny’s wife than I can the other first ladies prospective)My interest is trying to keep the worst zombies real… people like you… who really can only spout their party election rhetoric like it meant something (hint: didn’t then, don’t now, you lost. Suck it up and quit whining like a little kid)
Same as I regard people,and there are some, who think that the sun shines out of the arse of lanky black guy with big ears (and I don’t mean Will Smith, y’all) as too dangerous to be allowed to have sharps or live unattended.
Now, maybe Obama IS the greatest thing since the invention of the cordless power drill. He’s probably not… not more than the bald cripple and the wilderness retard were going to change the world for the better (like getting American troops out fo most ofd it and curtailing the practice of US business being warfare carried forward by other means)
So, you stupid, stinking, idle, neo-facist bag of pus and bile… stick that up are arse when next you’re abusing oxycontin…
Oh, and I’d refrain from tellg you better their politics… it just annoys them, troll boy
Democrat Maths – Equally corrupt and equally stupid. However, to claim high ground on the ‘mathematics’ of the Republicans is simply loud, stupid and hypocritical, especially in view odf the Emperor’s new outfit of ‘banking bail out’… i
So, Literal, up your sorry arse with that one…
if i remember correctly it was the democrats in the senate and house who actually hold the purse strings on the so called ‘banking bail out’… so… your point was what again?
I seem to remeber the president driving that one and everyone else buying…
My point is, you’re a retard, rather like your elected officials…
the point is over there fest…
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you missed it.
No, I didn’t miss your skull shape, Schlitzie…
ubr, what viable option was there, to your mind?
That came out weird. I meant, in your opinion,
what would have been a viable alternative to
the bail-out?
*watches tumbleweeds rot*
I am NOT a dem, but I fail to see the relevance of that statement.
Republicans make lots of noise about how cautious they are with other peoples’ money, but every Republican regime since Reagan has reamed the budget.
I now believe that is their intent; that the surest way to “fight big government” is to bankrupt the nation, preferably with war so that it can be cloaked in patriotism.
TBH, Govt expands too… the Republicans don’t and never have ‘fought big govt’
Rule of thumb – no government is going to approve it’s own reduction of spread and power.
Yes, but the purposes are different.
Democrats generally believe they can accomplish some social good by using government as a tool (often a very large hammer). You can debate all you like about methods and about whether the goals they pursue are more appropriately pursued individually or collectively, but broadly speaking the intent is to use government to improve people’s lives.
Republicans’ mistrust of government, OTOH, is so all-encompassing that they go out of their way to undermine even what are generally considered legitimate government pursuits. Simultaneously dismantling regulation and stunting competition for instance, choking off funding for essential services, and placing incompetent people in key positions erode the functionality of government, which then allows them to point and tell us how horrible a job the government does at everything it tries, so of course we shouldn’t trust it. Never mind that they never wanted the government to succeed in the first place and set it up to fail, the failure is proof that we cannot hope for it to succeed.
Win!
Suddenly “You’re doing a good job, Brownie!” makes scary sense…
on the other hand, the government was set up to limit it’s own federal power – hence the 10th amendment. The states/colonies were given power to govern themselves as they see fit and thereby the federal government should only be there to keep the general peace.
Democrats feel as though the federal government should control our individual lives, hence Obama’s promise to ‘think daily of those lower middle class Americans’ for whom he promises to pass legislation. They tend to forget that the best way to govern is to keep at a distance and correct when necessary – not make everyone into drones to stay in line (oh sorry – you said “social good” as if everyone thinks the same things are important).
Repubs think the only way to keep us from having an all-encompasing federal government is to make sure the federal government fails to hold water. That way, it can remain a constant across the nation without affecting the rights and privileges of state governments. Since when do the laws is Maine affect people the same way in Michigan?
Essential services, as you put it, vary from state to state, thereby making the federal government impotent in the matter unless the feds take over individual needs of state. In that case, why would we need state government?
Legitimate government pursuits as you say generally have many ways to look at them, and because something may seem legit for one person, it may be extraneous/unnecessary for another. Definition and interpretation is in the eye of the observer, and although you may think that gay marriage is in dire need of legislation, I may think it is superfluous and petty and should not bog down the government.
Dems do not want government to improve lives – since each life is different, the more laws you pass to ‘improve lives’ will very well hinder others, in which case the legislation is a failure. But Dems want that ‘big hammer’ to smash every square peg into the round hole…not feasible. And though they may think they have the best intentions…well we all know about the Road to Hell…
Actually, the Reps wrapping themselves in ‘Pro-Life’, Hard ball Law enforcement etc, are more socially interventionist against the individual than the Democrats
First of all, who started it? Roe-v-Wade is the public explosion of ‘keep your laws off my body.’ The deal Repubs have (well, more like conservatives since not all repubs are pro-life) is in the original constitution whereas every human is giving the rights to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. So because each side is using the argument “when does life begin?”…who exactly is the unsinful ones who threw the first stone? who cares? But unfortunately each side will not back down until something happens. Sad reality of stubborn human nature, but still.
The fact is, one side is lobbying for the big human, the other is lobbying for the little one on its behalf. They are both human, but one side is more selfish than the other. You know, since the small one is relatively easily ignored. Until it is gone…but then it is too late. I don’t want to get into that discussion since there is one going on already farther down. And it might hurt people to read.
“Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness” are from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. It’s a fine document, very moving, but it has no legal standing.
Constitutional knowledge win…
THAT deserves at least a whole internet.
I was thinking 2 internets, but we can haggle.
I love the notion that Chickie argues states’
rights to govern and people’s rights to liberty,
then puts down California’s Prop 8, which
contained both of her jealously guarded
elements…Weird, if not altogether wacky.
“Republicans’ mistrust of government, OTOH, is so all-encompassing that they go out of their way to undermine even what are generally considered legitimate government pursuits. … Never mind that they never wanted the government to succeed in the first place and set it up to fail, the failure is proof that we cannot hope for it to succeed.”
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A friend of mine compared this to letting people who don’t believe in cars build cars.
Nicely said, sir.
Were the media even remotely liberal, we’d have heard this one already.
It is shocking to me that the punditry are still going with the conceit that the Bush administration was trying to make government work. Except for the military and intelligence (which it turned against its own people), it has manifestly been trying to keep government from working, in a manner that it is impossible to argue credibly was not deliberate.
“the surest way to “fight big government” is to bankrupt the nation, preferably with war so that it can be cloaked in patriotism.”
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And then say, “See? Big government doesn’t work”. It’s a well-known strategy informally known as “starve the beast” (see link). It would be political suicide to close down, for example, FEMA, but to defund it so that it collapses on its own is much safer.
Exactly, and that is why chickiepickle’s argument falls flat. If the government functions under examination weren’t important, it wouldn’t be political suicide to close them down, now would it?
I’m still boggling over her comment that Roe v. Wade is interventionist against the individual.
*boggles*
The point I was trying to make?
Neocons – evil (Ok, that wasn’t in the original point, but I’ll add it here)
Republicans – corrupt
Democrats – less evil, less corrupt; try to be ‘fair’ to everyone to the point where nothing gets done.
As for the tax comment, I’d rather see the tax laws rewritten and simplified to the point where it’s harder to make a mistake than it is to get it right. Everyone talks about it, but no one does anything about it.
I’m with you on the tax simplification.
The labels are broad-brush fails. You seem more intelligent than this,
somehow.
First rhorho, thank you for the compliment.
Second, of course you are correct. That brush is wide enough to paint a barn wall with one swipe. This is the internet, and the hyperbole was intentional. I do however believe that the foundation of the statements is accurate. Every stereotype has a basis in reality. Inaccurately applying that to everyone in the referenced group is what makes it a stereotype.
Then we’re agreed. So, party labels aside, where do you find
yourself on the political descriptive spectrum?
For myself, I go with “Left-Wing Nut-Job,” also a barn-painter,
but fine tuning happens enough in the thick of battle.
‘Nut-job’ works for me for a political affiliation. 30 years ago I was a Republican, believed in sky-ghosts and voted for RR the first time. During his first term I realized I had a brain just aching to be used, so that’s what I’ve tried to do ever since; I’m not sure if I’ve always been successful. I’ve been a registered Dem since ‘84(or thereabouts), but have voted Republican when that party had the better person for the job in question.
If the Republican party were still the party of 50 years ago, if they had not let themselves be taken over by the vacuous, world-domination seeking religious reich in this country, I might actually be a Republican today. The old Republican party was nothing like they are today. They actually believed in ethics instead of pretending to. They believed in smaller government instead of pretending to. They believed in not attempting to legislate personal behavior. They were financially conservative and socially liberal (in the sense that they understood that government is not and can not be your moral compass).
I am still a Dem because they are less evil; less-effective, but less evil.
Speaking of using a fine brush, have you seen this?
youtube. com/ watch?v=cdGJxSDgWlo
(kill the spaces in the url to get it to work.)
Cool! I’m so glad that guy found a way to express
himself artistically, but I hate how frustrating his work
is. His tale of breathing in Alice made me laugh. Do
you think snorting her forced him on a trip through
the looking glass? Thanks for that!
Oh, BTW, if you want to include a link in with your post,
you can paste it, as is, into the field marked “URI.”
The field is just above the larger field where you type
your comment. Then, your name will be blue. People
need only click your name for the link. you can add
links in the comment area, too, but sometimes doing so
causes a delay in the appearance of your post on the
thread. I added your link under my name for demon-
stration.
I suppose if his medium of choice was a rock of crack, then yes, he may have gone through the looking glass.
Thanks for the tip on the linking. I figured that out later and have been using it to link to my page here, but I’ve also since seen others using it in the way you described, so I’ll keep that in mind for future posts.
Thanks!
I didn’t mean to ignore all that you posted about
your political history. I think you’ll be in good
company (save a few trolls) here. You have the
benefit of insight from different angles, so it’s
great to have you aboard!
Democrats – Less evil?
They’re politicians, dammit! They’d roofie their mother and sell her to coked-up frat boys if they thought they’d get one more minute in power. Same as anyone else who goes for elected office.
so we should go back to a divine monarchy
i hear lots of complaining about how everyone and everything is corrupt and the system runs poorly, but still not even a single iota of thought towards a solution…
No, we don’t but you’re an idiot and probably can’t find your own arse with both hands without help…
And I’m not in this to solve problems… if I wanted to solve problems I’d not be posting on a satire site, now would I? Hmm? Try wrrappin gyour tiny, reptile, brain around that one…
my point exactly.
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when someone disagrees with you or forces you to take a stand you just attempt to insult them. the good thing is that your insults are barb less and strikingly similar to the kinds of things you hear from 8 year olds.
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so… go on being so intelligent that you cannot hold a conversation with anyone.
Then enjoy the warm, wet, feeling of being vindicated in your own mind.
I still haven’t seen anything form you that’s worht taking seriously… unless it’s current firearms knowledge… You’ve impressed me with that…
as to the rest; its the usual, dim, parochial, expansionist, cookie-cutter nonsense I’ve spent most of my professional life listing to from your big island.
you’re not actually worth conversing with… only mocking.
Don’t expect one. It’s easier to complain and say they are all corrupt than to address the paradox that we put them into power so we can have a scapegoat for our own failings. We can’t have a leader without politics because that is essentially what happens with power, it becomes political. We live in a world of gray and expect black and white.
But yea, I am just babbling now. I need to nom more caffeine.
i figured as much from fester after reading his other posts, but i wanted to see what kind of reaction i could get out of him… and the reaction i got was pretty much what i expected. lots of talk about how everyone else is stupid…
That would be you then…
fester, every comment you make further consolidates my opinion of your intellectual and emotional development… to put it in one word… “stunted”
Why thank you…
You have a fan!
Almost a stalker… he just wants me carnally…
Somebody doesn’t?
i know you are but what am i?
I think you’re special
The paradox is easily addressed – you vote for the one whose lies you like best.
However, that doesn’t make them any more trust worthy or less likely to void their bowels on you from a great height. If someone tells me that
Obama’s pee has a lemony freshness and he makes St Francis look like a footpad, I’ll tell them exactly what I think… same with the ones who seem to think that the Republicans walk on water…
You got a problem with that Wurm?
here i’ll agree with you… all politicians around the globe are paid to tell you one thing to your face and do another behind your back… if we wanted honest people to run our governments we would set up a system that actually rewarded honesty instead of deceit…
Mostly just headdesking at our We are our Problem scenario.
I don’t begrudge a politician just because. We the people supposed asked him to fill the office and he does the best he can. If his best sucks, sure, hate him. Hating him on principle of filling a position we asked him to fill… Just gives me a headache.
I feel the same way about soldiers. We send them to hell and then fuss if something horrible happens. I get mad if there is a screw up but I don’t blame them just because they are soldiers.
But yea, I am babbling us in a circle.
Respect is earned…
“I don’t begrudge a politician just because. We the people supposed asked him to fill the office and he does the best he can. If his best sucks, sure, hate him. Hating him on principle of filling a position we asked him to fill… Just gives me a headache.”
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Agree in general, but…
As others have pointed out, the qualities that make a person fit to govern and the qualities that make a person likely to win a political office are becoming increasingly mutually exclusive.
The generally correct Fester wrote “Same as anyone else who goes for elected office.”.
That’s not true. I give you for one shining example the best of all Senators, Wisconsin’s Russ Feingold. He’s not alone, though there aren’t many of them.
It IS possible to have responsible and moral representation. It’s just very difficult. The sex-and-race obsessed Democrats and American Taliban Republicans do hold most of the cards.
I love Russ Feingold! I was so hoping that he was going to run for POTUS. There is a consensus amongst some of my Jewish friends that he couldn’t have been elected to office though for the simple fact that he’s not any of the 31 flavors of christian. What a sad f’ing country we’ve become in so many ways.
One swallow doens’t make a summer…
No, but it is a nice denouement to a BJ.
There’s always one…
and never a bukkake fan…
He hired someone to do his taxes for him. Y’know, free market and all that. The tax preparer signed a statement saying our nominee didn’t need to pay self-employment taxes. When it was pointed out the preparer was wrong, the late taxes were paid. All good, no?
Didn’t Bush use that excuse for invading Iraq? And look how much leniency you gave him for THAT!
Your comment makes no sense. If Bush had removed the troops and paid a lot of money to the Iraqis after he found the lack of WMD, you might be in the ball park, however.
WIN!!
LOSE!!
Mike=Arsewipe!
paying back taxes = lives lost in war?
Where is this planet you’re from again?
The Planet ‘Limited Thyroid Function’
Can we go there and bomb it? Pretty please!!?
I have the very thing – Mass Drivers [link]
We must leave immediately!
the point beth was trying to make… (but not effectively) is that if you made lots of self-employed income and someone told you that you owed no taxes would you believe them? if someone told you that iraq had wmds but no proof, except for the when he gassed the kurds, would you believe them?
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either way, they both were stupid for taking such important things on faith alone.
You missed out that the stuff they gassed the Kurds with was sold to them by the US (more of the US making the world a better place, I presume), so, yes, they knew exactly how many WMD they had (around the time of the ’super gun’ and the dead Canadian)… but that was over a decade before the current adventure, which was based on known falsified information and and undergraduate thesis someone found on the internet…
just to clarify, the line about the gas and kurds was to dispel anyone who would reply stating that “THEY HAD WMDS THEY USED THEM AGAINST THE KURDS!”
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and no. i don’t trust anyone that much with money or lives. and i do check my own accounting… and c’mon… if you made $150k in a year and your accountant told you that you didn’t owe any taxes would you believe him? you might be unfamiliar with US self-employed taxation, but you have to file and pay your 1099 taxes quarterly, it is not automatically deducted from your paycheck like it is with wage-earners…
The fact that Iraq HAD WMDs is largely down to the idea (myth) of a better world through American interventionism.
As track record of picking the ‘Good’ guys like the US, I think I’d take up oil colours… or macramé.
fest, arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall…
the wall can only see it’s own perspective
the difference between you and the wall is that the wall has better comebacks.
I think I’ve known fence posts who make better points than you, so were even again.
lol
And you’re more likely to believe an accountant than you are a spook…
Or do you send your accounts out for a second opinion every time…
But we want this guy to run the damn Treasury department? Hmmm.
since when did mathematical ability have anything to do with the ability to run the treasury?
I’ve said for years (since Thatcher’s time to be exact) if you tried to run a business like they run a country, you’d be on the street before year end…
I’m agreeing with you! Dammit!!!! *sulks off to the grocery*
TBH, not being able to do math or understand tax laws isn’t a problem for working in the government. But, if you went to church, would you want the preacher who was screwing young boys to tell you how to get to heaven, or the one who actually lives what he preaches? You want the guy to actually get the concept before you put him in charge.
You two just need to have sex already.
Sheesh
You’d think that… doesn’t work that way…
“Didn’t Bush use that excuse for invading Iraq?”
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Analogy fail. When you have your taxes done by a professional, you take their advice. b*sh’s advisors told him ahead of time that there was no credible evidence of WMDs in Iraq, no connection between Iraq and 9/11, no intelligence to support the war (pun not intended), and insufficient resources to conduct a successful invasion/occupation. He basically told them to f*ck off, that he was going to do what he felt like, and to distort or cherry-pick the evidence and then lie about it on national television.
Exactly! Bush told the CIA what he wanted to see on his desk
from them. That would be like me telling my accountant how
much tax money I intended to pay, then forcing him to create
a tax return ending with the figure I told him in advance.
Er, perhaps you’re choosing to ignore the fact that Bush spent the end of 2002 and the beginning of 2003 lying over and over again, both personally and through numerous surrogates speaking for the administration, in support of his efforts to wage war against Iraq.
You can try to rewrite history and pretend that Bush was honestly mislead, but the fact of the matter is that anyone – ANYONE – could easily tell during those months that Bush was lying for the purpose of justifying his war intentions.
You can pretend that you believed him, but unless you’re completely dead to the world around you, you couldn’t miss the fact that he was lying. Retroactively pretending that we didn’t know that isn’t going to work, because I am going to remind you: we all knew at the time that he was lying, and of course we turned out to be right.
Deal with it.
As I’ve said before, he’s choosing from a bunch of politicians, worse; American Politicans.
If he eliminated everyone who had a skeleton in their closet of some sort, he’d be on his own.
yes, british politicians are much better at… um… doing something… not really sure what it is though… but they sure do look spiffy in their wigs and capes…
UK politcos are cheaper and have less chance of damaging the rest of the world.
wow. you’re really pining away for the return of the british empire… remember, they f—-ed up a lot of the world in the last couple centuries…
Just the opposite, I think. The Brits have learned their lesson and given up their dreams of empire, thus they have less of a chance of damaging the rest of the world than we do.
the point your making is that it’s better to be powerless and watch the world burn?
Ah, the white man’s burden comes to the fore again from our little Teddy Roosevelt wannabe there
and as an addendum, American Interventionism has managed to ignite more fires than it’s put out… but those who refuse to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them…
I still think it’s some sort of lingering inadequacy for not being the ones to carpet bomb Dresden…
I still have nightmares…
That and they not only realized that their Social Security system was flawed, but they DID SOMETHING about it!
We know ours is broken, but we continue to drive it down the street praying that the wheels don’t fall off!
I’ll fix it for you tomorrow: remove the income cap on Social Security taxes. Alternately, if that’s too radical for you, then only institute it on income over, say, a million dollars a year. Either way, the wealthy pay their fair share and SS is fixed for another generation.
If you’re a politician and you propose that, you’re targeted for having proposed a tax hike, which is apparently one of two unforgivable sins that politicians can commit (the other is making racist or sexist comments). You will find that you are no longer in office after the next election (and quite possibly earlier, in light of the wave of recall elections).
Exercise for the reader: identify national-level politicians in the U.S. who have gone public with proposals to remove the income cap on Social Security. You’ll be looking at a list of politicians who have put their nation ahead of their own self interest. I suspect it’ll be a short list, and I bet I’d be surprised at some of the names on it.
you think he doesn’t have a skeleton in his closet? Let’s wait and see…:) Something will come up from some time in his life that will shed light. And when it does….BAM he’s only human! OMG he’s not a messiah? Oh. Well. Ok. Whatever.
“BAM he’s only human! OMG he’s not a messiah?”
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Debunked repeatedly in previous threads. Try harder.
He’s just becoem president asn has been involved in Illinois politics… he has a WWI graveyard’s worth of bodies. However, unless he’s stupid, he’s not goingn to fire himself for it, is he? God’s stripes and wounds, but we seem to have a new influx of low calibre idiots and loudmouthed morons, completely devoid of wither wit or originality.
Have you considered being euthanised? Medical science needs to know how you live in something that small and still function highly enough to use the internet
You know, you need to learn some manners. I don’t plan to teach you -you appear to be arrogant and impotent, and probably short. at least i know how to type and hit the keys properly…
sometimes short, concise answers are less incriminating toward a poster than long-winded, offensive ones. Mine was meant to be taken with humor.
Do you really get your rocks off by posting unnecessary vile retorts? Do i need to type long words (verisimilitude….for instance) for you to bother your superior, weary eyes to read my post? Or do I just need to ask you to please go shut your head in a car door repeatedly until you can behave nice around the neighbors?
Mmmm, luv, you may want to read and then read some more. Unc has a concise way about him, and a fine disregard for sides. As for the rest of your noise, is that all you got for ammo??
*hands Unc a pack of matches*
You have the gascan?
*runs for the bunker pulling helmet low over eyes*
Valid comment about the typing. Unreserved apologies.
As to the content. Get on some big girl panties!
Not good thoughts. . . not thoughts that aren’t based in socialism. . . not thoughts about American exceptionalism. . . not thoughts about helping the country if it damages his poll ratings. . . but thoughts.
Dirty thoughts.
With a penis.
In bed.
with a wife as good looking as his, i would not begrudge him that
I recommend you research socialism, and then compare them to all of Obama’s promises. Then compare them to the policies of conservatives in Scandinavia if you have the time.
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Notice how Obama is extremely far from socialism? Its true!
Yeah…right…. (maintains eye contact with crazy person while backing up)
yes… those who don’t understand others call them crazy…
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mike, you wouldn’t by chance be from somewhere in the midwest? and your occupation wouldn’t be plumbing, would it?
I was hoping it didn’t include sharps or access to children… and I’d favour he’s something in the church…
Which implies access to children, though.
I think that’s the only reason a lot join the church… the gentle creak of childish pelvis while you tell them how much Jesus loves them…
… with a penis… Dammit…
I need better material.
I’ve been saying that for a while…
Did you read my polemic?
Used to be an Alter boy , did you?
(listens to the creaks of Obama’s daughter’s pelvis as Daddy tells them how he’s gonna do the same to the country)
Shame you’re so unoriginal… I’ve done the child abuse jokes to death…
Something ‘new’?
Ah, a Roman Catholic who knows the drill…[link,
btw it's a puppet... no child was harmed... ] or rather who ha can drill and get away with it… no, never much of a one for Churches… but thanks for your interest, and the Really very flattering name… just think… I’ve upset a retard so much he feels the need to try and ape me… bless him…
The guy in your linked pic is a pervert, and not because of the kid.
Jesus Hussein Christ, drink real beer not that watered down piss.
I thought it was a fine satire of the Church of Rome… and a lot of other churches I could name too…
Yes, but *Busch Light?* That’s goat piss!
*twitches*
Satire? More like an homage.
But it’s just like you to ignore the more controversial aspect of the picture.Have you no shame man!
Do you really want to send the message that Busch Light is an acceptable lifestyle?
Did Jesus turn water into Busch Light??? NO!! Of course not!
Read your Bible and Repent!!!
Ew. Yeh.
*shudders in horror*
Of course not, you need to have a license for that.
didn’t stop J McC’s pal…
Actually, he was fired later. If Wiki is to be believed, he is off in Iraq with a correspondant’s job…
I would hope it was clearing mine fields….
I could just see him, being sent in wearing weighted clown shoes…
That is the nicest thing you have ever said to cheer up my day! With that chuckle I am heading home. Later all.
Isreal actually
I still hope it’s clearing mine fields.
A better job occurred to me: Mike the Plumber doing Live Shipping reports off the Somali coast…
JOE – His name is Joe you senile old fool Fester!!!!
(sorry I irritated me there!)
Quit picking on him, or I’ll beat you to a bloody pulp!
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…oops. Never mind.
Israel, ekshually. So far, all his reporting is “There shouldn’t be any war correspondents! All you do is report American troop positions and tell everyone bad things happen! When you report on massacres, you get half the information wrong… usually…” I kid you not.
No, mike, you’re just immensely mentally dull… and unfortunately proud of it.
You can dish it out but can’t take it ? You wouldn’t be from Minnesota and be a failed comedian would you?
Feel free to give it your best shot you damned colonial…
I think she thinks that was the insult… I believe you are dealing with an unarmed verbal combatant.
*I think she believes
There, that sounds better… Stupid lack of edit button.
“unarmed verbal combatant”
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*takes notes on DWN’s great line and wonder when i’ll be able to come up with something as good…*
I write a lot of sh*t but according to Fester, it has a nice shine.
Some of it glitters like diamonds…
Nicest thing said to me in a while by anybody on this site…
He is lying, of course. But, still nice.
I’m pleased you can read DWN’s mind… I bet he’s thrilled too.
Lying? No I am sitting, thanks. Though if I read that right, he is saying you were lying there, Uncle Fester…
So, he can read MY mind? If there’s a God then may he help him… on bad days I don’t like living in here with me…
Oh, but it’s fun in here. Look what I found
just now…
*points to old chest filled with Vaudevillian
costumes*
Ooh! *holds a beribboned gown up* I like!
If it is any consolation Fester, I pretty much loathe living in my brain most of the time.
Be careful… some of those things are cursed…
and I fifgured you for a fellow sufferer,Wurm… we have less a sense of humour and more some form of mental illness
@Kuro: What Fester means is that he’s put itching powder in some of them. Just be aware.
No, I mean blood dripping, ‘GET OUTTTTT!’, Preacher Kane yelling in the rain sort of curses…
The itching powder is on the toilet seats…
Heh, true. I would prefer shouting myself. My brain just likes to give me mild daymares of how I could die at any instant or lose my family or any number of disturbing visuals. Makes taking out the trash at night or riding home interesting…
@DWN: This sounds familiar — you mean like when you’re stuck in traffic on the interstate because of a wreck you’re running through the list of everyone you care about and trying to figure out if there’s any reason they’d be driving there because you’re sure when you get up to where the wreck is, it’s going to be somebody you love? That happens to me. (Of course it’s possible that’s not the kind of thing you’re talking about at all…)
Or:
My Brain: What if you floored it and drove off the bridge?
Me: But I don’t wanna!
My Brain: Yeah, but what if you had the urge to do it and couldn’t control yourself?
Me: But I don’t!
My Brain: Yeah, but what if you did?
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I’ve never had any particular urge to drive off a bridge, so I figure stuff like this is just more melodramatic than my *actual* anxieties like, “did I pay the electric bill or just think I did?”
@Tessie: Or one of my favorites, since I have a thing about heights anyway: Say I’m in a hotel room on a higher floor with a balcony and I go out there. I actually can’t go over to the edge, not because I think I’ll fall, but because I’m afraid
I’ll have a sudden irresistible impulse to jump. Not because I’m feeling depressed or suicidal or anything, either, I can be in a perfectly good mood!
I like this one: “I will not fight a battle of wits with an unarmed man”-Winston Churchill
Better a witty fool than a foolish twit.
DWN,
you’re almost certainly correct… I’m still waiting for her to start…
I am imagining the scene from Lake Placid where Oliver Platt gets punched and then whines that you’re supposed to say “Go” in a fight…
If that was her starting, she fights like a girl…
having said that, my mother in a battle of wits usually ends up
in a figurative Predator ‘Waving the skull and spinal column of her enemy aloft’ deal…
Now I want to meet her…
she looks like everyone’s favourite grandma/great aunt. Unfortunately, people assume since she’s elderly, she’s slow… her current Nintendo DS Brain Training age is 23… chronological age 81. Beat cancer two years ago, and is getting over heart problems from last year…
Did raising you toughen her up, or was it the
other way round?
I think the Predator waving a spinal column statement answers your question as to whom is the scarier beast…
… Ugh. WHO is the scarier beast. Not whom. Stupid fingers.
She does claim
1) she created a monster
2) that I’ve corrupted her…
but only to me… to people who aren’t family, she’d die under torture betfre saying I was anything other than ‘lovely’
She’s my mother… of course she scares me…
I thought to say something like In bed or With a penis but I won’t mock your terror.
Mothers are awesome with the “scare.”
they’ve known us a long time… they know the darkest secrets….
One of my friends told me that a friend of hers had her children convinced that when they lied, a red light that only parents could see would shine out of their eyes. Up until the kids turned about 8 or so, they would all look away when they lied so that their mother wouldn’t see the ‘red light’ in their eyes.
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The oldest boy came home from school his first day disappointed that his teacher could ’see the red light too’.
LMAO!!
That WAS her best shot.
Should someone wake her up and tell her?
might be best to let her sleep it off. she’s probably exhausted…
She woke up… but it didn’t last long…
I *told* her to stay away from those orange lichens!
I wish *I* could fail like that. Thirty years of work and tens of millions in income? Yeah, that’s a level of failure I could get into!
By European standards, Obama is most certainly right wing.
Pretty much… although that’s in a more ‘main land Europe’ sense than a UK sense.
Obama is on the right of the UK spectrum these days, but not insanely so…
It would be different if you showed even an ounce of effort to check up on his claims, provide your own sources, etc.
But you don’t. Your opinion becomes irrelevant because of it which, considering how bafflingly ignorant you are on every subject of which you speak, may not be the worst thing.
Piman is pretty accurate… you got a problem, prove the man wrong or stick the rhetoric where the sun don’t shine…
Actually, I was also responding to Mike. Not Piman.
Sorry old bean!
Not that I disagree with any of your statements, but… Research? Compare? Rational thought? This is roid you’re responding to. Not gonna happen.
Let’s put it this way: Maybe wealth redistribution and high progressive taxes and crippling economic regulations and government spending both to stimulate the economy and for the people’s “own good” isn’t socialism. And maybe Obama isn’t a socialist. But whatever those policies add up to, he’s it.
You are almost entirely correct. Correct enough that I won’t bother correcting you where you are wrong.
THe fact he’s stating “Obama’s stated policies are the stated policies of Obama” really makes him hard to disagree with… except are those Obama’s stated policies?
“Let’s put it this way: Maybe wealth redistribution and high progressive taxes and crippling economic regulations and government spending both to stimulate the economy and for the people’s “own good” isn’t socialism. And maybe Obama isn’t a socialist. But whatever those policies add up to, he’s it.”
High progressive taxes – nope. Pay attention to the REAL news, not the Fox News broken record. At most, he proposed allowed Bush’s tax cuts to expire. That’s not remotely establishing high progressive taxes. Look at the history of the highest marginal tax rate. You’ll find it revealing: the Fox “the sky is falling!” whining is just childish fantasy, not surprisingly.
Crippling economic regulations – nope. Have you perchance been asleep for the past year? This particular piece of right-wing whining is thoroughly refuted.
Government spending to stimulate the economy – yes. And of course he’s right about that. Failure to do so would be tragic in the short-term.
Government spending “for the people’s own good” – yes, and he’s right again. And of course every Republican president in modern history is also on board with this, though they tend to have very different ideas about what “for the people’s own good” means.
I appreciate your point-by-point rebuttal, but, boiled down, steroid
isn’t able to see past his Kool-Aid haze.
In related news, have you heard that right-wingers can now receive
a Limbaugh-O’Reilly-Coulter cocktail via IV drip?
“Allowing tax cuts to expire” – euphamism for raising taxes. Not being taxed is the natural state; taxes are government interference. Obama doesn’t view low taxes as an end in itself, and that’s what I disagree with.
In fact, that’s my sole complaint here. Not the policy, but the principle. Obama doesn’t believe in small government, the free market, individualism, getting rich, and all the libertarian politico-economic ideas that I do. I don’t care if his policies help the nation by his or anyone else’s standards. I have my own and they’re not his.
ah, the refreshing breath of ‘leave the wounded and run’ laissez faire economics of the loud idiot…
The thing is, I’d lay money on you being a retarded pauper who eats cold bean and clips coupons while claiming the government largess you claim to despise…
Calling me an idiot does not disprove my point.
And please do lay money on that; I’m fine with taking money from others who want to give it.
Who was sying anything about your ‘point’ (which I’ve yet to fully
decipher – I think it’s proving you’re mostly crazy)?
and from the level of posting – I’d say it’s like dear old Sammy-Joe… dreaming the American dream while other people get rich off your work… when you’re not claiming welfare
“Sanity is not statistical” -George Orwell
“In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.”
Old George had your sort pegged… every comment a new deceit…
and as to the rest of your faeculance… I’d point you a Jean Genet (who’s French, so you’re not allowed to quote him after Gulf War II, being a
‘patriot’)
“Tout homme aime l’odeur de ses pets”
What deceit? I’m simply stating what I want. I’m not saying that laissez nous faire is going to keep us at the current level of prosperity or procide any specific benefit. I suspect it maximizes economic advancement, but that’s not my motivation. I am saying that laissez nous faire is the only fair and just system, and that even if it resulted in no prosperity, it should be implemented because of that. Whom have I deceived and how?
If that is the case, then it tells me that fair and just should not be the end goal. The end goal of society should be prosperity for the people, and if laissez faire is not going to get us there then it is not the system we should use.
Which is a matter of value and of choice. But it remains the fact that I am not permitted in any way to avoid the state’s confiscation of my property or life at will, which I mark as a criminal act, which authorizes me to take action in retalliation.
I think you’ll find you’re in a minority… We’ll come laugh at you in jail….
So you’re criminals who are justified in your own minds. That’s fine, but don’t expect me to agree with you.
No, actually, you’re the one making threats, and saying “a fie on your laws, and let each man be his own judge” like some low rent Anarchist…, so I’d say we’re just waiting for you die in a hail of FBI gun fire…
but please… tell us more of your dastardly pan Emperor Ming…
“Don’t attack me or I’ll attack you back” isn’t a threat; it’s a principle.
it’s a strikingly flawed principle. it leads in an endless circle of violence
and so, what, other than using a mix of gas and weed killer on a federal building, are you planning?
And I think that Law Enforcement would see that as a threat…
Tax avoision.
The got scarface on tax evasion, but one must ponder how close the federales are to someone whose wit can’t manage to spell “evasion” or worse, thinks the etymological root of the word is common with ‘avoid’
. . . or has watched The Simpsons.
@steroid
Don’t worry about Fester. Avoision is a perfectly cromulent word.
You embiggen us with your wisdom.
Ah, steroid is back to peddle crazy like it’s going out of style and prove once more he has the depth and breadth of a de-cerebrated gnat…
Do they really let people with that limited capacity near things that can break into sharp edges?
Entertainment value?
It would if he was at least original
American exeptionalism – bollocks… exceptional like a duplicate Chromosome 21 makes one exceptional…
Point taken. Maybe the entertainment comes from watching them suffer when they break it on themselves?
Now come on, Fester, you know that you’re bored since I toned down the religious stuff, and your life would be a little less bright if people like Steroid weren’t around to lampoon.
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I promise that one of these days I’ll give you a really good religion thread to fight with me about again
ooh, religion thread? sounds right up my alley. i tend to favor discussion over fighting, though – the fighting gives me an awful tic…
I’ve tried discussion in here about religion, but it tends to turn into mud slinging and name-calling.
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We can give it a shot, though
*dons troll-proof armor*
Feel free… problem is it’s an easy target. Claims of historicity or uniqueness are easily shot, claims it’s not a religion but are relationship can be treated with anti-psychotic drugs, and claims of moral high ground are dismissed by 5 minutes with google news (although some of that stuff leaves on feeling somewhat like ones brain needs an enema… possibly with something that destroys short term memory… I always walk away from that research feeling like I now know 100 things I wish I could un-know.)
So you’ve been to the church across the street from me? I thought
that was you. That day was a bit chilly for the buttless jeans.
I’d brought a friend too [link]
I think I see where the “grapes” problem may have started…
Now you’re shamelessly teasing him. Vamp!
I prefer boobies…
(o)(o)
They make me smile!
SOCIALISIM – OMG – SCARY WORD!!!
Meanwhile the Bush administration has nationalized the financial sector…
I love how people think by using the word socialism, they have automatically won any disagreement or debate.
that’s because the people that use it to win a debate, aren’t entirely sure how to effectively debate a subject
“I love how people think by using the word socialism, they have automatically won any disagreement or debate.”
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It’s because they’re dimly aware that “pinko” and “commie” don’t have the scare value that they used to. Then again, they’re dimly aware of most things…
More like ” How the Heck am I gonna keep all of those Campaign Promises?”
He’s a politican, he knows that ‘campaign promises’ are like a hooker telling you you’re the biggest she’s ever had… nice to hear, but you both know it’s not true…. and for her it’s marketing…
“how the heck am I going to get the Republicans to drink my Kool-Aid?”
I’d try spiking their oxycotin first… seems to be a membership pre-req…
So the Viagra is for their wives?
“Aaaaahhhhh … that last fart was a truly religious experience.”
Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; he thinks too much: such men are dangerous.
Nah, I’m completely harmless.
you keep claiming to do this ‘thinking’ thing…
And you keep denying it like your denial will affect real change so we are at logger heads, I’m afraid.
Short of high voltages, I don’t see much changing you…
Wisest thing you have said all day. Unfortunately the rest will just be pedestal talk and condescension.
Of course… this late at night I begin to sound like you…
At least that was clever. *golf clap*
When you get golf clap does your wood turn green?
Wrong kind of clap so I wouldn’t know. Let’s dial Tiger Woods, shall we?
I’m sure there are many who would like to get their hands on his shaft, golf clap or no.
your wood turns red when you get the clap.
I bet it’s rough. And in no way fair.
trust me, you don’t want to know anything about the flops or the chips then…
Try using the ball washer.
I’ve enjoyed reading this slice of life.
I’m surprised that no one got teed off.
Or had a stroke!
That would be a bad break!
Or par for the course.
Are you being a putts?
You all drive me crazy
These puns are rough….
I’m sure we can iron it out.
What a wonderful approach!
I prefer to be at lager heads…
It’s good for what ales you! (BTW, you’re still linking to Jonestown…)
He’s a stout fellow.
Giving head?
He’s thinking about one of the following:
1) Whether the President still gets to vote “Present”
2) Baby killing
3) If Rahm will be as bad to him as Cheney was to Bush
wtf?
I thought it was pretty self-explanatory, actually…
Self-explanatory, sure. It was also completely idiotic, and that’s not another matter. I’m really disappointed if that’s all you can manage to come up with. The “Present” issue died quite a while back, baby killing is just a fundy propaganda buzz-word, and Rahm (while I don’t much care for him) is not Joe Biden, so that’s hardly a good enough parallel.
Just a thought, so don’t rip my head off, okay?
I totally support right to choose, and did so myself as a terrified teen, but now that I have a great life, job, hubby and fam, I have come to realize that it really is the death of a person. I’ve also counseled (not professionally, mind you, but as a part of my career choice) young people considering the option. Some have opted to follow through with it, others haven’t, but I continue to support whatever is right for their lives.
Please don’t just unilaterally dismiss it as a fundy buzz-word. “Baby killer” is meant as a slam, and it works for shock effect. But the fact one realizes it is a person (eventually) is real, does have painful ramifications that ripple throughout one’s life. I look at my sons and daughters and can’t help but be regretful. Not that I am suggesting others should do so, just offering anecdotal evidence.
Again, not ripping on, or trying to undermine, anyone’s politics or belief system. I just want anyone considering abortion, or who has undergone one, to make sure they have the support they will ultimately need one day. And I also want those who call it “baby killing”, or those who dismiss it as a “a fundy propaganda buzz-word,” to take into consideration the effects those words have on others who have exercised their legal right to choose.
Here, “baby killer” directly relates to a right-wing smear tactic
that failed. Obama was falsely accused of writing legislation that
would teach young children sex education. The right-wing
extremists clung to the buzz-word tightly, despite all evidence to
the contrary. The use of the buzz-word has nothing to do with any
concern about or respect the serious, difficult nature of unwanted
pregnancies. Phaelin was totally correct in dismissing the term
out of hand.
That said, your plea was sincere, and respectful. If anyone
trashes you, please just consider the source.
^respect *for* the
When people grizzle at me for my opinion on that subject, I just point out that I’m less pro-choice and more anti-life… that confuses them no end, and while they’re struggling not to have an aneurysm, I can make my escape… :¬>
Apropos little, but I thought I’d share.
That’s a perfect response, Uncle Fester.
Thanks.
Baffling the opponent is a time-honored tradition. Thank
you for the idea. I’ve been going with calling the other
side “Anti Choice.” The ones I’ve used it on don’t seem
to like it. They pretty much don’t like anything they
haven’t been taught to call themselves, though.
I call them ‘anti-choice’ too… since they’re really not ‘pro’ anything, unless you count the death penalty
See now why is the Death Penalty legal but assisted suicide is not? The criminals “deserve” to die and the people in pain… don’t? They don’t deserve a painless end to their pain but we can FORCE someone into being killed?
*disclaimer: It is not up to me to dictate who gets the death penalty nor the ethics of it. But I think it is pure hypocrisy to kill people for killing people and turn around and say “Suicide, and ASISSTED suicide, is immoral, wrong and illegal”.
You answered your question – hypocrisy.
Damn you and your logic.
“See now why is the Death Penalty legal but assisted suicide is not? ”
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A former classmate of mine had a spouse on life support after a catastrophic car accident. The doctors advised against pulling the plug. She ran out of money. The doctors pulled the plug. The guy died just like he would have anyway, but had a few weeks longer to suffer and deteriorate.
???
I’m generally in favor of suicide and assisted suicide being legal, but would add the caveat that the world is full of a$$holes who would gladly stop feeding Great-Uncle Roy whether he likes it or not if they thought they could get anything out of it. I guess what I’m saying is there needs to be some objective criteria.
@Tessie ??? indeed. That doesn’t seem right..
@Tessie: You mean a few weeks longer to milk money out of a grief-stricken spouse?
Yeah, she actually ended up having to declare bankruptcy on top of all the other stress. Nice, huh?
Well, at least her money went to doctors and
hospitals, who support the AMA and various
insurance companies with powerful lobbyists.
Now, now… the American system is the best in the world. They tell you this and they wouldn’t lie to you…
The land of the free to die when the money runs out… nice…
I know! Totally! Each year my company has been kind enough to raise our prices AND reduce the coverage!! I love it so much because now I pay more money from my check AND more money at the Doctor! Thank god I’m on so many drugs that I get to take FULL advantage of this!!!
Well, I’m against (most) abortions as well as the death penalty…
Wonderful to live in such a tidy world… where is it?
There’s no need to be condescending. I was just letting you know that you’re making sweeping generalisations.
Based on this site, you’re an exception…
I’m all for retroactive abortions- if it pertains to Fester that is !
My mother tried one on me, but it didn’t work.
Both tired… you really must try harder
Apologies. I honestly didn’t know about the legislation issue. I pride myself on my interest and ability to stay abreast of current events, but apparently missed that one, or if I heard about it, it was dismissed out of hand.
And I don’t see a problem educating young children about the realities of their bodies. We don’t have “hoo-hoos” or “haw-haws” in my house. We have penises and vaginas that are used, at the appropriate age, in the appropriate manner, to procreate and for pleasure. I don’t see that as a problem.
But what do I know, except for the fact that I am educating and caring for the upcoming generation and could honestly use all the wisdom and support I can get.
Thanks for your thoughtful response, and I’ll take anything I get with a grain.
Click my name for a link to one article. It isn’t the one I
remembered, so I might be mixing up the attacks.
This is the other attack. I did have them confused.
Intriguing. Thank you for the links. You are both a gentlewoman (man?) and a scholar. Much to read further and internalize.
You’re welcome!
She’s a champion like that.
Thanks for that. I actually did hear about this situation, and it was a toughie.
OH MY GOD OBAMA WANTS TO TEACH OUR CHILDREN SEX EDUCATION?!?!?!!! That is SO wrong on SO many levels. I mean, abstinence is the ONLY sex ed a child should EVER learn and they should learn it from their PARENTS on their 18th birthday (because before that the kid won’t even know what sex is). Teaching children to be responsible and safe is garbage! Sex is evil and dirty and if we teach children how to be responsible they will start to have UNRESPONSIBLE SEX!!! If we give them condoms, there will be more teenage pregnancies and more of these terrible baby killings!!!!!! If we teach them safe practices we will be sending them to the Devil’s own bedroom!!!!
Sarah Palin is right, abstinence only education is the way to go!!
Look how well it worked for her daughter…….
There’s a PSA playing on the radio locally here that keeps cracking me up. In it, a mother is talking about the difficulties in talking to her kids about sex, but then starts listing all the reasons it’s important:
“80% of our kids have seen ‘funny business’ on TV, and the internet’s even worse- 46% have been exposed to ‘adult situations’ on the internet!”
Big time math FAIL!
Sorry, what math fail?
I agree.. Wait, what? (Also, I suck at math).
“80% have seen… and worse, 46% have been exposed…” how is 46% worse than 80%? See?
Ah… Yes I was always bad with the word problems.
I thought he was saying that the INTERNET is worse, so the 46% who have seen “adult situations” on the intertubes is worse than the 80% who has seen “funny business on TV”.
Long story short (too late) the interwebs are worse than TV.
one internet is worth almost 2 TVs…
is the TV that weak? these is hard times…
I think it’s more the strength of the Internet…
Also, we should teach them Driver’s Ed by not letting them know that cars exist.
Yes, but teaching them at an early age that cars exist
may decrease their level of car-shame later…
But what happens if they find out on their own and have unprotected driving? Then, they may have to have a car-killing!
FYI, the ‘baby-killing’ thing was due to the fact that he was against legislation in the Illinois Senate that would allow an actual doctor to save a baby born in spite of a late term abortion. If the baby, now out of the womb, was alive, the legislation said that a doctor needed to step in and save the baby. Obama voted against it three times, on the premise that Roe v. Wade would be infringed upon. When the legislation was changed to protect Roe V. Wade, he still voted against it, saying that the intent was the death of the baby, so not letting it die after birth was a violation of the woman’s rights.
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No judgement calls here, I really don’t feel like fighting right now, but that’s where the ‘baby-killer’ label came from.
I cleared that up above, with two links. I was confusing
right-wing attacks. The mud bombs were being slung fast
and furious at that time, as the polling numbers didn’t
tighten after the conventions, and the economy was
teetering on the brink.
You have my respect, both for your perspective on what you’ve been through and the way you express it.
Of course you realize that this is an intensely personal and difficult subject, as does anyone who’s had to face it. You seem able to keep in mind as well that expressing your concerns the way you’ve expressed them can be perceived as talking down to women in much the way society has for just about ever – telling them what they can and can’t handle, imposing external judgment upon their ability to make mature decisions and deal with their emotional ramifications.
I know that wasn’t your intent. But even in the Supreme Court, the argument has been resorted to that women must be restricted in choosing abortion because of the emotional issues and need for therapy they’d be letting themselves in for. It’s a patronizing, infantilizing argument when leveraged inappropriately.
I think it is pathetic how people think the government should tell us how to handle our personal affairs. It comes down to “I don’t like what you are doing/going to do/have done, so I think there should be a law against it”. Unfortunately people like that (may be the majority I don’t know) do not speak for everyone. Gay marriage anyone?
While I can understand the argument “Life begins at conception” and the feelings behind it, a woman has the right to not subject herself OR THE UNBORN child to a life that could/would become infinitely more difficult.
I’m not sure if this happened or if it was just a discussion but I read an article once about women being locked up and forced into sobriety because they were pregnant and being an addict “harmed the unborn child”. I know people feel that drug addicts should be locked up and forced to give birth so there are no abortions. I find this absolutely preposterous and isn’t there something called “wrongful imprisonment” and “cruel and unusual punishment”?
It seems to me that people who want to make abortion illegal think that women are good for one thing: to produce babies. You’re right slan, it IS infantalizing. “Aww, isn’t that cute. You think you have the right to make your own decisions about procreation!”
I don’t agree with the argument “Oh you’re pro-baby killing”. I am most certainly NOT. But I am all for allowing a human being to choose how to conduct their private affairs. I think what people DON’T realise, is that if we do ban abortion we will have a situation where women are now putting their lives in danger to terminate the pregnancy. Back alley abortions, recklessness (like purposely trying to force a miscarriage) and so forth would happen. Women, and their unborn children, will die. And when they do, the same people who say abortion is wrong will say they deserved it for attempting to kill their unborn child. Hypocrisy, FTW. No sanctity of life there….
Sorry if this post is incoherent I am not feeling well.
You know, it’s like the whole “assisted suicide” debate. “Awww.. Isn’t that cute. You think that since you’re confined to a bed and poop and pee into tubes you have the right to painlessly end your life”.
Or the “persistent vegetative state” argument. “Awwww isn’t that cute. You think that since your loved one has been in a coma for 12 years and has now suffered atrophy of brain and body that we should pull the plug”. The argument should ALWAYS be “Quality of life” and NOT “Quanitity of life”. If you haven’t seen that movie “Million Dollar Baby” see it. It illustrates my point perfectly.
After what my grandmother went through, I am firmly in the assisted suicide camp.
A lot of people talk out of hand about the topic, with-
out trying to empathize with what the dying person
and the family have to endure. Most of the people
who rail against the notion haven’t been in your
family’s situation. Trouble is, they don’t understand
how lucky they are.
When I was a wee lass, my paternal grandma died, and my paternal grandpa (who had polio) killed himself shortly there after. Once I became old enough to understand what suicide is, I thought it was very sad but in an oddly touching manner. He was so dependent on her that he did not want to live his life without her. I can fully understand that, even for those who are not confined to a wheelchair.
Even if I didn’t understand, it’s not my say so who wants to end their own pain (physical or mental) in a painless fashion. Even though it may be hard on loved ones, it would be much harder to see someone you love go through pain every single day until they die “naturally”.
My thoughts are with you froo.
From the ‘pulling the plug’ POV… my personal experience is that having the balls to do does not equate to having the stomach to do it…
Having said that, if I had to do it again, I would, despite the fall out .
Charro, you were totally coherent in your posts. First of all, I read a couple articles about women who WERE put in jail to keep them ‘clean’ during the pregnancies. And I have read an article in a legal journal regarding the ‘pluses and minuses’ of that sort of incarceration. Scary.
Second, as the daughter of a nurse who practiced pre-Roe v Wade, your description of the results of illegalizing abortion sounds just like her recollections of Emergency room practice.
And as someone who was at her father’s death bed just a couple years ago, if I could have pushed a button to further ease his passing, I would have.
*hugs*
Thanks.
+1
I agree with everything you have said here, and I think you expressed it very well in fact. As Uncle Fester said in reference to “pulling the plug” I know that I personally could not and would not have an abortion. Then again, I’ve never been in a position to have to make that decision, nor will I ever make that decision for someone else. I am not pro-abortion as some right-wingers try to paint it, but I am pro-choice, meaning it is the choice of the people involved. And just as you said, outlawing it will not stop it, but will only send women to back alleys with wire coat hangers and worse.
Least you know that you’ve not ridden the trail to try and take the moral high ground… that’s a helluvalot. It’s surprising how people get all high and mighty when you’ve had to kill a loved one (which, with the best will in the world is how it feels… even when you’re keeping the promises made to them)
Wow…Char, that was amazing. You pretty much covered all my opinions on abortion in one post. All I can say is, seconded.
I like this one. I think it was on a bumper sticker:
U.S. Out of My Uterus!
(Would that make it a Uter, or a Teru?)
Isn’t Teru another Alien despot in Scientology?
I don’t think we’re allowed to know, without
making the requisite contribution…
Thanks, and here I thought I was being incoherent. Must be that Kool Aid I had for breakfast…
*hugs* (No comment necessary.)
Hugs back.
I sympathize as Lynn and I nearly made the same choice with Mikey. I look at him and realize what I could have condoned and it breaks my heart. I don’t pretend to dictate the choice of a woman over her own body but it is a weighty choice to make. It is pretty much the middle ground I take in any of the Abortion debates. I think it should be an option but I also posit that it is a grave option not to be taken lightly and that the majority of people who take that option don’t take it lightly.
I’ve never met anyone who took it ‘lightly’… it’s a myth that people dance into the clinic singing ‘The Sun HAs Got His Hat On’, or leaves it singing ‘Sweet Mystery of Life’…
As with ANY system, there are people who abuse it and take advantage and don’t properly consider a choice before making it. But in the abortion clinic, those people are the minority. Women who go there are scared for themselves, scared for their unborn child, scared of the reason they got pregnant, etc.
Many women regret it, but I think most will acknowledge it was the right choice at the time. We can only play the hands we’re dealt and UF is right.. It’s not something women just shrug off. It is a decision process that isn’t taken lightly.
I sometimes think that maybe if girls had more help and information about childcare, ways to complete their education, what to do with a kid etc. As well as pregnancy not being treated as a terrible curse -then it would hold a lot less terror and perhaps wouldn’t lead to a lot of girls making a decision which they often regret and feel guilty about.
I agree. Education (like I said) is the answer.
Perhaps if more young women and men were more educated about sex, there would be less teen pregnancies.
Perhaps if there were better education, there would be less impoverished (hey a girl can dream, right?) people who can’t afford a pregnancy, much less a whole baby.
Perhaps if there was more funding two income families would have somewhere for their baby to go while they are at work.
Perhaps if there were better benefits (for all people) a woman could take off more time from work during her pregnancy without losing income and doesn’t have to worry about things like having to eat for two for 9 months when she can barely afford to eat for one.
Perhaps if there was more aid women could get tip-top medical care and not be worried that they are uninsured and afraid that they can’t take care of themselves during pregnancy.
Perhaps if there were more educated people, and we could srpuce up the world and public aid systems, more women (and families) would choose adoption over abortion.
Perhaps if there were more education there would be less drug addicts getting pregnant. I know it’s a stereotype, but drinking and doing drugs really can lead to more promiscuous behavior.
And maybe, just maybe, if there were more education people would be less “OMG! ABORTION?!?!?!!? You are a monster” and more “It is not up to me to dictate the terms upon which you live your own life”.
Another myth – all abortions are third trimester. If you look at the figures, they’re not. The vast bulk are first, and then there’s a faster than exponential decayon the numbers into the second trimester, with slightly about statistical noise on the third trimester. At least, that’s UK figures, based on 03 stats…
It’s not a subject I’ve kept my finger on the pulse of since, unless I grow a uterus, it’s not really something I would want to moralise on.
And, if I’m not mistaken, part of Roe V. Wade has been overturned and it is now illegal to perform 3rd trimester abortions here in the states.
Most “abortion clinics” will not do an abortion outside of the first trimester. The abortions performed after that are done for the most part if there is grave danger to the woman or the fetus.
I read a firsthand account of a woman who had a late-term abortion after having her first three pregnancies end in miscarriages. The gist of it was that somewhere around her 6th or 7th month, they discovered a severe malformation that threatened both the fetus/baby’s life and the mother’s life. Granted that she’s one person, it certainly didn’t sound to me like the sort of thing anyone would take lightly.
This *is* a LOL site, so what the heck:
According to FOXNews (!), 91% of U.S.
abortions are performed during the first
trimester.
Only 100 (out of 1.6 million) are performed
per year during the third trimester.
[LINK] to full article.
I find that education in most things, sex, war, abortion, choices, etc would solve a lot of problems. If we know what sex is actually about without freaking out, we can educate it and let people make their own decisions. If we educate about war without the pomp and parade, perhaps we wouldn’t jump into it so fervently. Same for abortion, I find that people who actually feel they have a choice tend not to abort. Having the choice was enough to step up, be a man/woman/cabbage, etc etc and love the child. Of course, all the disclaimers about rape/incest/etc apply.
As for the choice part, I find that when you actually know all your choices, you can actually make the best choice. Ignorance is not understanding your choices, thus you choose rashly out of desperation. This is where proproganda comes in, muddying the waters, and thus forcing desperation onto people who might otherwise make a saner choice. An overwhelming number of people don’t wake up wanting to get pregnant, abort a fetus, kill a bunch of people in another country, have their marriage condemned, or whatever else we are whining about. They just lack the information to make the informed choice.
If you want to have sex, know the risks and how to lower them. If you get pregnant, know your options and/or your own willingness to handle the task of being a parent. If you are going to abort, make sure you’ve considered all your options. If you’re going to war, make sure it is based on facts not fiction.
/rant
Crap, I do hope I am not going to do this all damn day…
No, no, that wasn’t a rant. Just a lot of good points stuck together.
Thank you. I may be a horrid pervert butI believe that if you are going to do something, sex, war, drugs, skin somebody who has wronged you, etc, you should at least do it right and for the right reasons.
You only get one body, use it well but use it wisely to get the most use. You only get one mind, use it constantly to get the most from it. You only get one conscience/soul so use it so things won’t haunt you later.
Oh and know when to compromise because nothing is ever perfect.
/sappy DWN moment.
I actually have, although as it wasn’t somebody I knew well it’s possible it was just “whistling in the dark”, so to speak. Creeped me out a little, though.
I have an inlaw who has spoken of her seven abortions. I am still trying to wrap my mind around that… Even seriously considering it once was enough to chill my marrow and distance me from Lynn a bit. Luckily, we had an almost cliche’ crying and talking moment in bed and made amends. Though I still get chills when I look at my oldest and think he might not have been.
*shudder* I’m getting sincere and sweet. I need caffeine before there is anymore share time.
See now that’s just disgusting. I mean.. as a sweeping generalisation note. Anyone who has 7 unwanted pregnancies is doing SOMETHING incorrectly. Now, if a person were to have 7 abortions because 7 fetuses are threatening.. I’d think that would be too hard emotionally to have to make that choice 7 times.
Your in-law seems to not have a grasp of the term “birth control”.
*yes, I understand birth control does not always work. 99.9% effective when used CORRECTLY.
But 7 times?! I mean come on.
Oh I know… Like I said, I can’t wrap my head around it. However, seeing her home and how things turned out… Well. I will withhold comment. Just wow is all I can add.
Yeah I think I lost a few brain cells on that one.
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That’s right… encourage the cretins…
I had to ask a question, and I wasn’t sure if they knew actual English
True… but it’s still encouraging them… but I’m feeling less grumpy today…
I, for one, welcome our new intelligent overlords.
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*waits for someone to fail to get the Simpsons reference and get all hysterical about the word “overlord” in 3… 2… *
One
There is only one overlord, and his name is GEEBUS!
Dogless heathens, one and all, your blasphemy has brought about the K&K apocalypse!!!11111111!!!!!!!!ONE!
I don’t even believe in Jebus.
Simpsons!
You rock.
Our new Jeebus is Obama
Nobody but the right wing has ever said anything remotely like that. Nobody thinks Obama is the messiah, that he is perfect, or that he will magically fix all our problems. But the majority of Americans think he is better than the alternative the Republicans put forth. Admit it, the only reason you perpetuate this false stereotype about the left is that you are bitter because your party has been reduced an to irrelevant regional party of the deep south. The more you squeal, the happier I am. All you are doing is broadcasting your bitterness and frothing, impotent rage for everyone to see. You may as well tattoo a big “L” on on your forehead.
… With a penis.
That might be hard on the penis. I don’t think her head has any give to it…not for logic, anyway!
Okay, even for Seth, who has a high bar, this is WIN!
Seth is an inbred cretin who lives in his mother’s basement still and spends half his life on PK and the other half masturbating to porn. The last girl he kissed was his 70 year old aunt, who he tried to French. His fervent wish is to become Obama’s Propaganda Minister and use his powers to kidnap women and force them to submit to him. Sorta like Fester.
Do you have to practice to make people hate you? Or were you born with the ability?
Fool.
I feel the love… you just want me…
I do not!
I do not!
I do not!
Don’t say that!!!!!!
I thought Max was our overlord. *shrugs* Live and learn, I guess.
You are correct but His Cruelty is having a bit of trouble taming some of the Southern hemisphere. Well more like he hasn’t decided which disturbingly dressed unit to dispatch to quell them. Keep the faith dear child, Geebus is a fraud whose father smells of berries best unmentioned…
Isn’t GEE-ZUSS?
I thought it was “hay-seusse”
Or Juses.
That’s just the gardener…
you forgot to switch your name back….
LOL–Good catch! They invariably get caught on that point. Perhaps they
should publish a sock newsletter…
So, he’s president already? Rilly? Wow! I always thought presidents were inaugurated on January 20th. What change! What hope! What utter bull$shit!
<— this is my ‘I love dummycrats’ face.
Dummycrats! yeaaa i would have to agree.
I think it’s the Republicans spitting the dummy… but, you friendless retard, it’s about all you’re capable of…
For a European, you sure act like a uberLiberal Left Wing Tool! I wouldn’t know where to begin making fun of the House Of lords, much less rabidly pick sides!
So, Fester is wrong for being more informed than you?
No see, she doesn’t have to be more informed, you can’t make fun of the most perfect government ever! Obviously Fester could never actually find fault with the US so he’s just copying those libtards. silly redcoats thinking they know anything about america
A mop for my keyboard, please?
The right wing in Europe and the rest of the world would be considered center left here. Obama is fairly right wing by European standards. Americans, especially uneducated right wingers, know nothing of the rest of the world. People like you, Beth, think that America is exceptional and the rest of the world mundane and beneath notice. Unfortunately, America chooses to impose it’s will on the rest of the world, and so our decisions effect others. Is it any wonder they choose to be informed about our politics, and have opinions?
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You know, all you’ve brought to the table are unoriginal insults, stereotypes, and childishness. You’ve added nothing original to the conversation. There are plenty of intelligent, insightful right wingers. You aren’t one of them, and you
embarrass yourself and your party with your continual grade school insults parroted back from your oh so clever commentators. Even the right wingers here think you are a hindrance to their cause.
seth, you just showed the amount of bigotry you have towards
americans and therefore have proved that the “uneducated right wingers”
are right in thinking that the rest of the world is a backwater. when people
don’t agree with your ideas you claim that they are uneducated. people can be just as intelligent and still come to differing conclusions. if that wasn’t true this world would be a very boring place…
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and YOUR stereotypes of americans are even uglier than beth’s and your insults are even more unoriginal. you keep making the same claims that the world would be a better place if we kept our nose out of things. tell that to the people buried in mass graves in bosnia, cambodia, chile, and etc. the united states has a higher standard of living and more military and economic might than most of the world. with our station in life we have a moral obligation to help make the world a better place.
No, you have a moral obligation to stay the hell out of the way, you power hungry madman…
As I’ve said before, American Exceptionalism is exeptional like hanivng a duplicated Chromosome-21 makes one excepetional… it’s not a ‘good’ thing…
who said anything about american exceptionalism?
the point i was trying to make is that stereotyping all americans as holding stereotypes is rather ironic to begin with… but i guess your guile at the power that america holds blinded you.
and as an addendum – the ‘moral obligation to improve things’ is nothing new.
It was called ‘the white man’s burden’ back in Kipling’s day of the British Empire. Look at the mess that made… somehow, in the way that America tries to be the stumbling, demented, child king of the world, I don’t see an improvement over what’s gone before…
yet again, you’d rather no one did anything so that you could be satirical about everything…
I think we should keep our noses out of other people’s domestic squabbles…
You think that the US has a God given mandate to fix the world so it looks just like America…
nope. i don’t think that the US has a God given mandate on anything. What i do believe is that everyone has the responsibility to expose and attempt to correct any and all atrocities committed against any people.
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you’re taking it on face value that i agree with the US foreign policy for the last 50 something years… i don’t agree with most of it. but what i will agree with is that when people were being thrown into mass graves and killed simply because they were slightly different than others the US stood up and attempted to do something to stop it. you are correct that this did not always work out well, but i believe that it is better to attempt to destroy great evil than to sit back and watch it engulf the world.
Cept the Kurds… but they don’t count…
Nor do we mention ‘Burundi’…
But look at what evil things the English have done for a thousand years- start with Ireland and Scotland. Then throw in Africa, South Africa, the Carribean, India, Afganistan, Austrailia,etc..etc.. etc…….
@ AF: Hey! Scots can slag the English all they want. Americans don’t get to.
Go conduct your sad little vendetta in the playground. I’m sure the other 8-year olds will love you for it.
…And learn to spell “Australia.”
Actually the cretin has a point… and I can happily
discuss great British horrors
He missed our conduct in the Opium War which is one of my favourites…, and the genocide of the Tasmanian aboriginies, which was British lead…
Unfortunately the bulk of America’s great dropped bollocks are in the past 60 years, rather than ancient history… so all he’s proving is his esstntial idiocy…
I’m happy to dance with our atrocities… the inability to look at one’s country’s monstrosities is a weakness…
Oh, I’m not being patriotic or anything. I agree: we’re a horrible people. I just don’t like Anti fester. Anyway, it’s the right of a Scot to slag the English. I don’t want him (it’s definitely a “him”) nicking it from me.
And how many Americans are of Irish-Scottish descent? Answer- a LOT!
There’s no monopoly on picking back at the English. Now, get back to class you little bugger!
I hope you’re happy. You just made me
pee myself!
“you keep making the same claims that the world would be a better place if we kept our nose out of things. tell that to the people buried in mass graves in bosnia, cambodia, chile, and etc. … with our station in life we have a moral obligation to help make the world a better place.”
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The “World’s Policeman” argument? Even setting aside the fact that our “station in life” is, well… debtor nation… and even accepting hypothetically that we actually have some sort of moral obligation to mind other nations’ business for them… we have a long and sordid history of consistently backing the wrong side of most, if not all, conflicts. The people in mass graves in, just to name a few, Iraq, Nicaragua, and Vietnam would probably, if they could, wish we had just stayed out of the horse race.
i’m not arguing for the job of world’s policeman for the US, but rather we, as a nation, should be able to uphold a moral standard for the rest of the world to follow without having to resort to violence…
this, I can agree with. However, what you’ve been saying doesn’t mean that…
i’ve been trying to say that we need to do something…
the what we need to do i’ve been extremely vague on…
Unfortunately, some have been a lot less vague than you. “We need to do something” is about as eloquent as any of the other excuses to jump into Iraq. The fact that you consider it your country’s business to somehow fix the moral, ethical, governmental or (for all I know) cholesterol-intake dilemmas of other nation-states makes me just a little wary of you, my friend.
Well, the UN peacekeeping forces are a joke- why don’t you call them?
You have a valid point but it’s somewhat of a slippery slope. I’m not in favor of standing by while someone else is shooting babies or herding people into camps because “They aren’t coming for me yet, so what do I care?”. That said, the kind of countries who do things like that in the first place aren’t too receptive to another country teaching them ethics by setting a good example.
And even less receptive to adopt (what we tend to consider are) good ideas like democracy through being bombed.
Being “leading the free world” through good example instead of through force or bullying? I vote “aye”.
I’m sorry, but facts are facts. Americans are woefully uneducated about the rest of the world. It’s not that I’m slamming people who disagree with me, unless you are talking about people who disagree that Africa is actually a continent, not a country.
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Please, elaborate on the ’stereotypes’ I’ve been using. Which stereotypes? How are they unoriginal? Where do I EVER say that we should keep our nose out of things? I agree we should try to make the world a better place. That is kind of a hallmark of liberals in general. I may disagree about HOW we should go ab out it.
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Are you sure you’re not mistaking me for someone else? Because you seem to be accusing me of things that I know for a fact you can not back up with any proof.
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I like that you always jump to the defense of America. I think we are a great nation founded on great ideals. But you need to think about something: a true patriot is like a true friend. A true friend will tell you when you are screwing up. They will still love you, but they will tell you. Get it?
There are very few ‘true’ patriots… They’re usually like the Borg…
seth, you used the phrase “people like you” how is that not a stereotype?
Let me give you some advice, ubr, that will help your reading comprehension levels. Read ALL the words, not just some. Here’s what I said, “Americans, especially uneducated right wingers, know nothing of the rest of the world. People like you, Beth, think that America is exceptional and the rest of the world mundane and beneath notice.” Now, how IS this a stereotype? Is ‘Beth-like’ a stereotype now? Below, you agree that we need to work on educational standards and cultural knowledge. That is all I was implying, so, we are in agreement. I never said or implied that Americans were uneducated in general, or even that right wingers are. I just said we tend to be quite parochial. What I IMPLIED was that Beth is an uneducated right winger who knows nothing of the rest of the world.
the phrase i latched on to was…
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“americans know nothing of the rest of the world.”
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but i brain froze when writing…
Well, that was a bit of an exaggeration, I admit. But how far from the trth is it, really? I wasn’t saying Americans are stupid, or uneducated in a general sense. I was saying, we are parochial, concerned with local and national issues, and quite unaware, on average, of the rest of the world. Do you know how many Americans can’t even find AMERICA on a globe?
Arguably true to some extent, Seth, but I think that’s human nature in a large part and not something that’s really US-specific.
True, true. But I have traveled quite extensively in Europe and I found Europeans to be much more knowledgeable about world affairs, in general, than Americans.
Then please, please move there immediately. You’ll increase the IQ of both continents when you move !
Oh- and since you think Americans are too stupid to be helping other countries and should stay out- what about The Chosen One saying he wanted to send One Trillion in aid to Africa? (start conniption fit now)
I made that last part up, because I don’t get
any attention from my mother.
Or ‘People like us’… that’s another great phrase used I remember Sen Palin’s marvellous bit of pathetic FUG to a pack of howling Red Necks…’He doesn’t see America like WE see America’ – I think that’s mostly because he’s not cross eyed…
i strive to be a true patriot… it’s something i’ve been working on for a long time… and i agree with your assessment that our nation needs to work on educational standards and actual cultural knowledge but anytime i hear the argument “american’s are uneducated” it strikes me as bigotry. there are dumb people everywhere. everywhere needs more education. your statement sounds too much like “all americans are stupid.”
that was the point i was trying to make…
i need some more coffee…
I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable
to do so because some people out there in our nation
don’t have maps.
….and I believe that our education like such as South Africa and the Iraq everywhere like such as, and I believe that they should… our education over here in the U.S should help the U.S or should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries so we will be able to build up our future.
was that a miss america speech transcript? lol.
That’s dangerously close to cynical… are you unwell?
no… a little caffeine low…
but i do have a couple cynical bones in my body…
I’m less cynical and nasty when the pain meds work, so I can get the idea of needing caffiene
@ubr: Yeah, Miss South Carolina from Miss Teen USA. Pittypat started it, so I just figured I’d finish.
And how sad is it that it was indistinguishable from something Sarah Palin woudl have said on the campaign trail?
Sad but true.
She does have a tendency to spew the word salad.
Oh you’re the Seth Beth accused me of being. I was right, from the two posts of yours I’ve seen so far, I do like you.
I don’t remember the specific details, but there was legislation in Florida a few years ago which would have forced teachers (grade school I believe) to teach that America is the greatest country to have ever existed. Patriotism and pride are fine, but blind, ignorant allegiance is, well, it’s religion.
I agree whole-heartedly.
(I would admire you, as much as I do Seth, but for your
terrible habit of clinging to my bath tub…)
Aw shucks ma’am..
From what I’ve seen so far, Seth has earned the admiration far more than I, however, I always float to the top, can he say the same?
Sorry about the bathtub, but we are always true to our nature. Do you know the story of the Scorpion and the Frog?
allaboutfrogs. org/stories/scorpion .html
(remove the spaces)
I’m not Seth.. really!
Neither am I !
Neither is he ! Me! Whatever!
Cool story!
Going along on the animal theme, this one is fun.
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Ya, I remember hearing that one during this last campaign. Sadly it rings true of most politicians.
Thanks!
No, Beth, you’ve ‘misunderestimated’ me… I think ALL politicians are venal, corrupt and greedy, and interested in extending their own power over my sordid existence. I just happen to think that, based on your near religous zelotry that one political view is the global panacea, that you are as thick as a fence post.
But feel free to lace in to the Lords… I’ll help with pointers. Having said that, the Lords HAVE broken some of the nastier excesses of government over the past 10 years. That’s why parliament wants to destroy them, then the only thing between them and total autonomy is the Queen… which I don’t think is a good thing… no matter what side is in power.
Far be it for me to stereotype, but as a fun fact I’ll add that everyone I’ve ever met named Beth has been a couple rocks short of an avalanche.
They are too ineffective to be dummies. And therein is why I like them more. If they aren’t doing or changing anything, at least they are leaving me the hell alone! The other side LOVES screwing my entire world up.
It’s like when a cat spends lots of time grooming then you come along and pet it. You know that dirty look they shoot at you before they start grooming all over again? That’s how I feel every time a Right-Winger gets a policy passed.
This is my ‘bored of right wing retards’ ‘face
(_!_) Feel free to kiss it… with tongues.
I prefer to spread the cheeks first so they can get their tongue in nice and deep
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(_o_) that better?
I see you’ve done this before
Only on the Thai stage and for money
Dude! I thought I recognized that hole!
Wasn’t your stage name ‘The Bankok Bottom’ and your motto was
‘Chiang Mai Arms to the wall’?
I could ’spit’ a superball so hard it rebounded off all four walls and then I’d catch it and ’spit’ it out again…
I had to give it all up… the piles…
Thus the anal grapes of your life have given you a bitter wine. I am sorry.
A sad tale, no? A blossoming career, one my parents could be proud of… cut short. So, to their ever lasting shame – I was seduced by the tawdry charms of ‘Politics’… I wish I’d just stuck with getting pre-schoolers hooked on crack…
Are you actually upset that, rhetorically, Obama is labeled “president” prior to the actual ceremony? Seriously? Because if you are, that’s pretty goddamn hilariously pathetic. And I could use a good laugh.
It’s just the butthurt sammich turning to ashes in h* mouth.
LOL!!
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There are now this many people in government that are competent (new caption)
That doesn’t bode well for the country……….
I think it overestimates the number quite drastically…
… which is, of course, far better than misunderestimating them…
And it’s not him…..
Like you’d know competence if it bit your behind…
Still butthurt over the paddling you got?
There was a paddling? I was still waiting for something that was worth responding to… Sorry, was I supposed to be offended?
And you’re still an incompetent loon…
*Yawn* What a boring lol.
Heh…there are way better captions in this thread than the one in the picture.
That’s always the way…
Looks like he’s saying: “Hmmm, I know I HAD some thoughts at one time, what where they?”
Sure looks like he’s thinking 143 days worth of deep thoughts… Or did the teleprompter tell him to “look serious and pensive?”
OK… I like that one…
Caption should read – Americans = Smugness we has it, even though we elected Bush twice !
OOOOhhhhhh………..
Can’t wait for the responses to this one…….
*tumble weed rolls past*
Hey, Unc – I’m not big on insects; you may be able to help. Are crickets found in the same places as tumbleweeds, or do crickets require more moisture?
I think Mormon crickets would be appropriate?
*Has a truly appaling mental picture of Mormons attempting to play cricket*
*has a truely appaling mental picture of crickets marrying multiple underage crickets and wearing that weird morman underwhere*
Damn. Pay no attention to that link. It belonged with the angst discussion.
What’s underwhere, Jane?
Semper ubi, sub ubi baby.
Never I tells ya!!!
TMI, right?
America’s The Land of the Free, so NP.
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*whispers*
Just watch it around froo. She’s with the
GOP, and they hates free expresshunz!
Well we do have that sheet with the hole in it…….
Your KKK robes?
(Sorry, just too easy, especially since rhorho mentioned that you’re a GOP stobber)
Dude, we totally don’t use sheets anymore for that! We have custom-fitted Egyptian cotton robes! I mean, please! Sheets??? That’s so…..so……RETRO!
Okay, froo-Hilde, get that garb off of you.
*grabs at froo-Hilde’s ridiculous get-up*
Hey! This was my sheet set–1000 thread
count!
*collapses into nearby chair*
Oh, the humanity! Those ebil GOP stobbers
stob at nothing!!
It’s when you have no idea where your small ended up after that huuuge party (which may be really interesting in a Mormon cricket party).
Umm.. should read *smalls*
Brain not right – was about to lay down for a nap when wee Maggie woke up screaming. She’s taken her nappy off, managed to poo ON her nappy, rolled over… and indulged in some Jackson Pollock.
*Watches sadly as his nap walks away, whistling*
Bummer!
Yours takes hers off, mine just poos through them. I don’t know how many onsies I’ve had to throw away or bleach within an inch of their lives because she has managed to poo OUT THE FRONT of her diaper. There is no poo in the back. think my kid is set up wrong.
Oh, very much. Very very much.
Sorry – the “very much” was to VG – you must have beaten me in by a second or so. Onsies? Forward-poo is no fun at all – probably only beaten by pool-poo. It’s not a plumbing problem, it’s just that they often sit down and kinda rock back… umph.
Now I’ve got to see if the washing machine did its job right.
*male scared of confessing ignorance about getting poo out of sheets*
Onesie, I guess is a better spelling. The little outfit that opens from the bottom for easy access of the diaper.
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Believe it or not, baby wipes are EXCELLENT for getting out poo stains before you put the outfit in the wash. Do you have an Aussie equivalent of Greased Lightning? Because that’s the shizznit for getting out stains in baby-wear.
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I have no idea how mine poos out the front. She can’t sit up on her own yet. I’m thinking it may be while she sleeps. She wiggles around a lot on her tummy in her sleep, and that’s when it usually happens.
Oh, cool – I did the right thing then! Baby wipes – dad’s best friend. Also good for getting ink and grease off hands, and for getting dirt off white leather joggers.
I don’t know Greased Lightning, but there are probably similar things that Mrs Goodness uses – as much as I detest the idea of males who leave it all to the women, I don’t exactly have a doctorate in the home sciences. She’s having a weekend away With The Girls – high tea, exotic cocktails etcetera – and I’m having a one-on-one with Maggie. I didn’t want to confess abject failure so early!
Go ahead–Do it! She’ll feel needed, and
it’s pretty derned cute, besides.
Right now, with three kids, a full-time-studying husband, packing-up & moving-house… she’s going to shoot the next thing that makes her feel needed right in the head. No X-ring crap – double-tap ‘atween th’eyes (and she HATES guns!).
I suspect she gets the giggles with my attempts at creativity, but she reckons I’m the most inefficient house-worker she’s ever seen.
*Sigh* We try. Ooh Lord, we try…
Okay, but she may appreciate a question in
the spirit of “a stitch in time saves nine”
rather than returning to a toxic waste dump
full of stained laundry and exhausted man of
the now-soiled cloth. But don’t listen to rho…
As ever, your wisdom surpasseth… I’m still curled up about the new-soiled cloth. It’s not a bad one at all.
Yeeeeeaaaaaahhhhh… I knew that looked wrong right as I was hitting the post comment button. I meant to correct it when I took the link out but forgot. I would say I fail but it spawned a fun discussion, so kudos to me?
I’d go for cicada…
Hrm..not reading through all those comments, so if anyone else said it already, I apologize.
He’s not our president yet. Granted unless some miracle happens, he will be in 5 days. Yet still not our president at the time of caption or post.
Yes, the obvious was already obvious before you pointed it out. However, president looks better than president elect on a lol and it is less than a week from being true anyway.
Or…he’s hiding a zit!
No doubt he’s wondering if the White House kitchen staff can make shave ice and moko loko.
Mostly “Sweet holy God, I’m in over my head…”
I’d say that was the litany of most sane Presidents since (and including) Washington…
not the best photo to use to express intelligence IMO.
he kinda looks a bit dumb here
He IS a bit dumb- and thinks America is too.
Well of course he is, but aren’t we all when compared to you?
Well, that’s nice. For comparison, what was your class rank at Harvard Law?
And what was Obama’s? Oh, thats right- neither he nor Harvard will release his school records. And he got in via the Affirmative action plan.
I’m beginning to think you’re the real Uncle Fester, just showing his nasty side
Who’s next, Nephew Pustulous Zit?
Um……have you MET Unc? He’s nasty all the time. And he certainly doesn’t need a sock in order to say what he thinks.
I haven’t met him in person no, but he did provide us with his picture over in the Technology News Thread [Link]
I just think that the Fester we see up here isn’t really his nasty side. I think it’s his normal, day-to-day persona and perhaps Anti is Hyde to Uncles’ Jekyll.
You haven’t been here long enough to ‘know’ Fester. He has no problem being nasty about anything that he feels warrants the nasty. He also NEVER socks. He doesn’t need to. The Uncle Fester you see IS his mask that shields him from revealing his actual persona, which is a little more squishy and huggy than he’d prefer be known.
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In other words, Anti IS NOT Fester. It’s a common stalker-troll that thinks its being cute by post-stalking a regular and trying to refute him. The blatant political sides are what give it away. Fester is neither right nor left, but holds a healthy dislike and disdain for the idiots on both sides. He is stunningly apolitical, and an equal opportunity lampooner. I suggest you do a little more reading before you try to saddle someone with a non-deserved slight.
Calm down a tad. It’s called feeding the fire.
…but holds a healthy dislike and disdain for the idiots on both sides.
My only issue with this statement is that it’s becoming increasingly clear that Fester thinks everyone other than himself falls into that category. He’s free to feel that way, as free as others are to point it out.
Observe for a while longer, and you’ll see what we
mean. True, Unc doesn’t pull punches in disagree-
ments. When you’re not on the other side with Unc
you’ll start to notice his consistency. Froo and I,
among others, have learned quite a bit from him.
I daresay that you will learn more from Unc than
95% of the rest of us, self included.
A cool bath will help with some of that butt burn:
Trust me on that one.
Yes, the consistency is that he thinks he’s smarter than everyone else and therefore, feels justified in basically calling anyone who doesn’t bow to his genius an idiot. I’ve been reading quite a bit up here and have seen it time and time again both toward those who may ‘deserve’ it, and those who don’t.
No one actually thinks that Anti and Uncle are the same person. I am beginning to think that neither you nor FrooFrou have a sense of humor though. Pity.
Breathe. Relax.
I’ve been on PK a smidgen longer than you.
For that reason, I feel confident in advising
you that a little Vaseline will help you get
that stick out.
You’re the one who has lost your sense of
humor about this situation. Look at who’s
being angry, and look who’s not, okay?
You’re having a few growing pains, and
that’s all. You’ll feel better soon, promise.
Well, when you don’t get it, you just don’t get it.
Maybe I need to telegraph the jokes better ’cause it’s obvious there’s a communications breakdown here.
I fear that there is nothing I could say now to allow you to understand, since you’ve apparently already made up your minds that I’m somehow nursing an anal wound which just isn’t there. You think I’ve lost my sense of humor? Which jokes of yours in this thread did I miss? Please, point me to them and I’ll reassess. If you didn’t make any, then how do you figure that it was I who lost his sense of humor?
Vaseline? Not a good idea (there are also a few good jokes in there, but I’m batting 0 at this point, so I’m not going to bother).
As I said before, calm down a tad. If one needs to explain the jokes, they obviously failed. Consider this dropped from my end.
Okay, so you’re not hurt, and we didn’t get
that you were just feeding a troll.
We stepped in on your fun, took you
seriously, and what you said about Unc was
a tie in, having something mysterious to do
with the initial troll feeding that we missed
because we’re dull.
Gotcha.
LOL–Done!
@rhorho
Perfect. I couldn’t have said it better myself, and the gods
know I tried!
Thank you for finding the words I couldn’t.
SUCKER!!
*pops popcorn*
*sits back and watches Scum roast*
but I am beginning to think that someone has a secret crush on Uncle Fester…
Fester can kiss my ass. I just prefer not to see people slagged for no reason.
Hey, wait: I can has Fester ass kisses too, right?
Rho –> (_!_) <— XXX Fester
(you didn’t specify ‘where’)
Oh… you did!
YAY!! *schmooch*
Frou –> (_!_) <— XXX Fester
Look, if you have a crush on me fine
Scum–> (_!_) <—- XXX
Just for you big boy!
What, I have to do all the work? I already told you, spread
those cheeks.
(_o_)
What froo said, plus the syntax is wrong, the opinion is
wrong, and the education level is wrong.
Further, Unc sent me a more recent photo. [LINK]
haha, nice
Froo’s right. This is just a common troll.
” Do I put a DJ in the White House or Air Force One- or both? Fo Shizzle!”
You have a lot of black friends… I can tell…
[link]
Holy crap, did you see the letters on there from people who thought they were serious? Funny as hell, though.
Funniest thing I’ve seen in a while. I’ve emailed a link to my trainer already.
He’s going to love it!
Good to know you have a trainer ! Have they got you housetrained yet? Still biting people? Got the muzzle on ? BWAAHAHAHAHA!
Jealousy rears its ugly head…or is that its rear…?
Rho – I think between the two of us we might just be able fo fart this little bastard into oblivion? My all-Indian diet this week, your aspara-gust, one match…
That’s overkill, don’t you think? A simple thumb-forefinger
flick is all we need here.
But save that curry-powah: The night/day is young!
You ride the short bus to school, don’t you?
Except in his case the short bus is just a Big Wheel that his mom pushes from the bedroom to the kitchen where he’s home-schooled, while mom works her day job answering questions like:
What are you wearing?
must……..*twitch*……not…….*twitch*………reply to…….*twitch*………part of………..*twitch*………this post…………..AAAAAAAGH!!!!!
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DAMMIT I HATE MISCONCEPTIONS!!!!! ARGH!
Okay, froo: I’ll say it!
NOT ALL forms of homeschooling are bad.
There. Happy?
*twitching on floor*
Is that a twitch you’ve got or are you just happy to see me?
Hey, what are you doing out of my bathtub?
*ties scum up and prods him as he hops
back to the tub*
*sprays Formula 409 on scum and watches him disappear*
NOES!!
Stop that, froo! Scum’s our friend!!
Typical. You think the scum revolves around your bathtub. Well it doesn’t. I do have other tubs to visit.
But you’ve been in my tub forEVAR…
I… I’ll miss you…
*heart breaks*
409? Please! I laugh at your pathetic attempt to dissolve me.
What do you want me to say? *thinks*
Stop twitching, and I’ll give you Alan Rickman back.
Interesting ‘constraint’ mechanism *twitch*
No, not all home-schooling is bad, ok? Feel better?
However, when CA passed a law stating that a parent who wishes to home-school their kiddies must first show that they’re, hmm, what’s that word, QUALIFIED!!
Right-wingers went nutso.
Ok, let’s try this. I have no children and I will not be fathering any children, ever. I help to pay for schools and other services for children. Part of this bothers me, but another part of me realizes that in the proper education of those children, I am helping to ensure a brighter future for my community (however I choose to define it).
It’s the same thing when it comes to those of us who are concerned about the quailty of ‘edumacation’ that these chidren are getting at home. Does that make sense?
See and I did all of that without once insulting religion!
Anyone who wants to homeschool their kids needs to either be given a competency exam, be a teacher already, or submit their children for standardized testing once every (whatever). I’ll even settle for two out of three. The point is that homeschooling is another one of those areas that is misrepresented, and given the whackos as examples whenever it is invoked. How would you like me to use Michael Moore as a shining example of liberalism at work every time it’s mentioned??
Yours is not the typical response. Homeschooling is heavily weighted to the side of no regulation, and from what I’ve seen, most home-schoolers prefer it that way as they are very anti-government.
If Michael Moore (who is also heavily weighted) were a fair representative of liberals, it would be fair to bring him up as an example, but of course not as proof of how every liberal thinks.
I made a joke, which you took very personally. I never said, nor meant all home-schooling, however, I stand by my assemsment that many if not most home-schooling environments are under qualified.
I didn’t take it personally, don’t misunderstand a comic response for soemthing serious
I have a vested interest in making sure that homeschooling as a whole is properly represented, that’s all.
Ok, cool (even though you tried to eradicate me).
I have a lot of issues with home-schooling, only one of which is the qualifications of the teachers, but we can leave the rest of them until they come up ‘organically’…
Froo, one of my daughters homeschooled her senior year, one has homeschooled since, oh, halfway through 10th grade (she’s now a senior), and my youngest did 8th grade homeschooled due to extreme dissatisfaction with our middle school and is now happily back in 9th at our local high school. I think a lot of it depends on the kid and the parent; in other words, you’re going to get out o it what you put into it. Same goes for regular school, of course, just there’s more objective oversight on what the kid’s actually getting out of it. I’m fortunate enough to have bright & self-motivated kids; it’s pretty much a matter of “give them the tools & they’ll soak it up like a sponge”; I’m lucky.
Tell you one thing, I’ve been quite happy to get through two senior years without all the overpriced social crap that they aren’t particularly interested in. (One went to a prom at someone else’s school & had an ok time, the other just really isn’t “into” all that).
Then why do home schooled kids score consistently higher on SAT’s than public(government run) schools do? Sounds like someones trying to protect their government job.
I haven’t had any luck finding an unbiased
source for your information. Perhaps you
could say that, of the youngsters *taking*
the SAT, the self-reported home-schooled
ones tend to fare better. There are many
examples of incompetent parents (many of
whom did not complete high school) using
the unregulated home school status to keep
their children away from life outside of their
immediate family surrounds.
I’m not denying that there are success
stories related to home schooling, but, to my
knowledge, no representative sample has
been studied and the difference between
duration of homeschooling has not been
explored. I’ve found nothing unbiased about
socialization impacts, either.
IF they were anything other than Chrisitan, people would be howling ‘Cult!’ and sticking the kids in the foster system
Homeschooling’s not always about religion, Unc. Sometimes
it’s a matter of “our local public high school is a) not challenging enough or b) downright scary” or, hell, both. Homeschooling is cheaper than private schol, so for some people it seems like the best option.
My daughter that’s in college right now had high school classes where you couldn’t learn much due to the behavior of the other students, and these were the honors level classes. Kids would do stuff like sit in the back of class and not whisper or pass notes, but carry on full normal voice conversations, or sing. It was pretty bad and many of her teachers seemed without a clue as to discipline.
Thanks rhorho, very well put.
@Mike, if you’re referring to me, I’ve never done any kind of work directly for any government office or agency. I’ve been a mentor, but never a paid teacher. I have no direct immediate personal stake in whether or not someone home schools or the quality of education they receive there.
(Warning froofrou, if you read further, your head may explode).
Most of the people I see for home schooling are radical right-wing fanatics who want to ‘protect’ their children from the evils of gays, blacks, hispanics, thought, reason, science – you know, all of those non-christian values. They want to teach their children to be as ignorant and xenophobic as they are. They want to perpetuate the beliefs in the mythologies which they’ve spent a lifetime using to justify their hate and ignorance. Isn’t it interesting how everyone’s chosen ‘god’ hates all of the same things they do…
My stake in this, if you will, is to try to ensure the long-term survival of this country as one of the better places for all to live, and to not allow it to descend further into the religious ‘dark ages’ that the mythologists would love to see happen.
Some of them ARE in cults, Christian or otherwise. And many of them are removed from said parents, or at least made to go to public or private school when their lack of knowledge is revealed.
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I’m far too invested emotionally in this topic to be unbiased when talking about it, so I’ll let it go.
TBH, I’d have loved to have been home schooled… I loathed the other kids, and the place was something between a holding pen for prison and a baby farm. The fact I’ve turned out able to turn a sentence was down to one or two decent teachers (luck of the draw) and my parents…
If you want someone to blame… blame them. I do.
My area is rich with resources for home
schoolers. Responsible home-schooling
parents can network to co-op tutelage, field
trips, materials, etc., with remarkable results
in both socialization and academic
achievement.
On the downside, the three most famous
murdering moms in recent Texas history
were home schoolers.
I agree with froo that testing is needed to
ensure that home-schooled children are being
taught academics, at the least.
@scum: Just to play devil’s advocate here, you could argue that having the kids from ignorant and xenophobic families OUT out of the public schools makes the schools a marginally better place for the rest of the kids. Also, while I’ll certainly admit that homeschooling does seem to get you targeted by
groups organized by “that kind” of homeschooler, that most
of the homeschoolers I am personally acquainted with are somewhere to the left of Michael Moore. As a somewhat centrist Independent NutJob, they make me look like a far-rightie. Which, I am definitely not, at least not on social issues.
The ones you are talking about are out there, for sure, but I think they just tend to be more vocal/visible than the non-nutty homeschoolers.
I’ve now got this vision of Fester as a young lad, looking as he does now only with a tiny body and a giant Fester-head, sitting in a corner and playing with his toys by himself. Every once in a while you’ll hear him call someone a festering bag of pus and mutter about his @ss-grapes, all while sounding like a tiny little Malcolm McDowell and just oozing with hatred for his fellow man.
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Now I can’t get that image out of my head.
Love it!
Sorry, the above ‘Love it’
was @ FrooFrou
You attended my school? Do you have a oval bald patch… if so, it means we had a fight in ‘The Cage’…
(And yes, my school DID have a place called ‘The Cage’ and since it was the farthest ‘playground’ from the staff room, was the arena of ‘choice’. It was also neigh impossible to leave unless you were prepared to go through the larger members of the baying mob… rather like they’re thick organic fog that bleeds…)
Hmm….considering that the main reason my daughter that’s
She’s really quite nice aside from only liking maybe 10 people.
now a senior wanted to homeschool is that she was “Sick
and tired of spending her days packed like a sardine into a cesspool of babbling idiots”….oh, crap, have I raised a tiny, female, American Uncle Fester?
I believe you pre-date me by quite a bit, Fester dear.
Froo’s mother was the one with the oval bald
patch, iirc…
I suddenly realised… I’m wearing underwear older than Frou
Sorry about that
*sniff*
no, still lemony fresh… they’ll do for another month…
@ dissimilitude
Yes, one could argue that removing those kids could make it better on those left behind (sorry, couldn’t resist). One could also argue that by leaving them in class not only will they benefit from being exposed to reality outside of their parents fantasy world, but the other kids will quickly learn that not everyone thinks the same way, or believes the same things.
Rhorho covered one of the big concerns when she said “socialization and academic
achievement”. My biggest concerns are lack of social skills (not that attending a public school guarantees any of those either), and valid, academic training. When I was in school, my class sizes were in the 30-40 range, far higher than is deemed acceptable today, yet in spite of a few bad eggs (I was actually one of those), we all learned quite well.
Yes, as always, I think the troublemakers are simply the vocal crybaby right-wingers. I’m not 100% against homeschooling, but I am vehemently against uncontrolled, unregulated schooling, in the home or elsewhere.
@scum: Actually, I think we agree…I do think there needs to be more oversight (in general) over homeschooling; at the very least, have the homeschoolers turn up to take the annual achievement tests.
I don’t know anyone who is homeschooled. Kids with those sort of parents (if they were rich enough and had no scruples about involving themselves with capitalists) went to private schools….
Engalnd and Wales have a very different system to the US.
The Scots system is similar to the E&W one but is radically differently funded and has some significant differences in curricular emphasis (or did)
and what’s wrong with capitalists? Word to the wise… the great socialist experiment failed in the 1970s. It may still cling on with atavism like The Socialist Worker’s Party, but it’s a spent force. As laissez faire capitilaism is noy beging to be see for the Emperor’s new clothes it is, socialist ‘credibility’ was mostly loudly ill educated people who wanted to keep every one as drastically ill educated as them. One thing about Capitalists, they value education, and will pay for the best of it.
My big thing with homeschooling is that it allows parents who don’t have the money for private schooling, but still want to remove their children from the sometimes damaging influence of peer groups that are more and more driving each other into depression, suicide, and other more damaging exploits, to be able to do so without bankrupting themselves. I don’t think that it should be regulated to the point that the government tells you exactly what you have to do, when you have to do it, and the like (I’m far too conservative to ever agree with that), but the kids at the very least should be held to the same testing standards as everyone else.
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In my case, I scored off the charts on every test I ever took, including the ACT. If my math scores hadn’t been so low (I have a severe mental block when it comes to math), I would have gotten 98th percentile or above in every section. The socialization wasn’t an issue, because my parents made sure that we had peers to play with, both in and out of homeschooling venues. We were also socialized around adults, and could carry on conversations with people three times our ages and hold our own. We were the exception rather than the rule, however, the ability to homeschool should not be taken away from the masses simply because of a few nuts who make it look bad.
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Sorry, didn’t mean to go all troll b on you. Like I said, I’m emotionally invested in this.
So, you’re saying that, for the most part, the overall
standard isn’t that good, but it’s a minority that make it so?
you really did flunk applied maths (stats) didn’t you…
I’m saying that for the most part, homeschoolers aren’t schooled any less than an average public schooler. What makes us all look bad are the nuts who dress their kids alike and make all of the own clothes at home. My sister and I were the above-average examples.
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As far as applied maths, I loved statistics, but lock up when I see algebra, trig, or any other advanced math. It’s a personal thing, and has nothing to do with my schooling. On the ACT I scored a 65% in math, which was enough to pass. Everything else was 98% and above.
And I’m all for Home schooling… but I’m not for the idea of it being a free for all in terms of content and quality…
@ UF (in EngALnd? You been drinking on a Sunday?) : what’s wrong with capitalism? The clue is in the name: capital. Money’s the answer to everything isn’t it? If you have money you deserve to have a “better” education. I don’t see how anyone with a sense of social justice could fail to be disgusted by this.
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It is Scotland’s decidedly anti-capitalist government that means that there are no uni tuition fees in our country. Normal people now find it
much easier to get their qualifications.
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Also, smart people are perfectly able to get a decent education from normal schools. Private schools just give rich stupid kids more tutoring and kill the scottish accents of the rest. Private schooling is just a way of “bettering” oneself class-wise. It is an atavistic anomaly left over from Victorian Britain.
To get my University Education, my dad, Craftsman Welder, worked all hours god sent and few hours that were invented by the Axis in WW2 to break the Allies spirit to make sure I got what I needed. He did the same fo rmy brother.
The father of the only Turkish painter exhibited in the Guggenheim, NYC was a fruit packer. He worked 4 jobs to ensure his son got the support and trianing he needed (the support was hard since the guy was born blind, and no, I’m not making that up [link])
The socialist idea that folk can’t afford it is not wholly true…
a lot of people’s family just don’t support them. Wailing “I can’t afford it”, while smoking and drinking it away really donesn’t cut it for me… I saw a lot of families like that. Whelped too many times and both parents happily bovine with their fags and booze… There are genuine cases… a few form my hell hole comprehensive have put themselves through Uni as mature students…
Having said that, if you can get the grades, there should be funded places.
A fine and balanced reason for disliking the idea… I’m not in the mood for arguing working class cred with a foetus…
My dad worked to get both my brother and I through university… but it was a cushy being a craftsman welder… hanging in cooling blast furnaces making repairs at 3 in the morning… He didn’t smoke, nor did he drink… and put his family first. Rare bird…
Sorry, I really don’t know what you’re getting at…
Foetus? What?
Working class cred?
I’m presuming you were addressing me but I don’t know why you brought up the aforementioned. Nesting fail? Please clarify.
I think that’s his dad…
Oooo! Oooo! If I “forget” to pay $34,000 in income tax, can I be in charge of the IRS too!!!
No, but you can be Joe the Plumber
*Nelson Muntz*
ah-HAAAAA!
*/Nelson Muntz*
or you can try to establish mens rea on the non payment…
I am so proud that all my taxes this year probably did not even pay for 1/40,000 of the cost of the Inaugural Ball. Gee- I wonder what else we could have spent that money on? Body armor for soldiers, free vaccinations for underpriviledged kids, getting people out of FEMA trailers…..Yep- you liberals sure know how to “Spread the wealth around”!!!!
How much did you pay in taxes off your paper route, Skippy?
I paid 40,000 -this quarter alone. Suck on that, Liberal.
You’ve been tweaking again, haven’t you mike…
@Mike/Jam Jar/Beth/et al:
Looks like you’re doing a great job of sucking by yourself.
Rhorho, Seth, N8,HHNF, etc….
If no one paid income tax in this country for one year, the loss would be One Trillion dollars- exactly the same cost as Obama’s Economic Stimulation plan. Think about that. Who’s better to decide how to spend your money- the government or you? It also means that to pay for this plan of his, taxes would have to DOUBLE on everyone in this country who works. You think businesses are outsourcing overseas now? Just wait and see. Personally, I’d rather keep my own money, pay off bills , etc than double my taxes so BHO can give my money away to his friends.
Sure, fine, if you are lucky enough to have gotten a good education, landed a job that pays well (unlike say daycare or nurse’s aide or sales clerk or administrative assistant), and not gotten a debilitating illness which causes you to lose that job, or become permanently disabled due to a car accident caused by an uninsured driver…
The fact that you paid 40K in quarterly taxes means that even if you are self-employed, you have a serious income. So pull up your big-boy shorts (or tighty whities, I won’t judge), and pay your part to support society.
Consider enlightened self-interest, since you are so tied into your own ‘needs’. As FDR figured out, if the government does not providing opportunities in times of severe economic crisis (ie. massive unemployment and loss of savings) the result will most likely be riots and revolution. When people can’t feed their families, and have nothing to lose, they will take it out on everyone…including those who ‘have’.
Pay my part to support society?
We’ve only had income taxes since WW2- how the heck did our government “support society” for all the years before that? Support who ?illegal immigrants, welfare queens, CEO’s receiving $50,000,000 severance packages after getting bailed out with my tax money? My lazy ass sister who lives on welfare because she’s too lazy to work and admits it?
Yeah, right…”Spread the wealth around”, huh?
I wonder how many people would get off their rear ends and get a job if their “benefits” were cut off.
Now THAT would stimulate the economy!
Actually, the 16th Amendment was ratified Pre-WW1, although there was a lot of tooing and froing until 1955…
and if your family are welfare frauds, don’t blame anyone except your parents… they raise you to be a moron and your sister to be idle and dishonest… I’d say ‘deal’ Just because you and yours are degenerate, freeloading , doesn’t mean everyone else is…
Retard.
Now that was weak Fes- try harder.
We had a large class gap, those not born into, or lucky enough to gain wealth generally married early and had very large families as a form of social security, we had a much lower life expectancy, and to get extra income by sending the kids to work in factories.
the government has helped many people to live as opposed to simply survive.
Filthy commies! Part of the American dream is crushing poverty and the freedom to starve in the street…
You mean like the Republicans did for Bush in 2001 and 2004? That sort of party? Balloons and cake were least excesses of those little, intimate, ‘cheap’, soirées…
You really are desperate… and pointless…
Obama Sucks, he’s not our president even! Not until the inauguration!
Well, thank you for clarifying that… I’m sure a lot here were confused…
Do you attend a day centre or are you cared for at home?
Hey, leave my kid brother out of this. He’s only 18 months old, and rather
smart for his age. He’s not happy with Obama, but he really enjoys playing
with his toes. He also likes to play with his …uh, we just don’t leave him out
of a diaper too long, let’s just say…
This childish insult brought to you by the ObamaTron Network ” Just relax ! You don’t have to think anymore! We’ll do it for you!” and the letters I, D and T.
Now back to our regularly scheduled conservative bashing..
Back to you, Fester!
Well, in all honesty, as badly as I hate defending Fester (ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch), he’s an equal opportunity basher, and doesn’t just bash conservatives. He pretty much bashes anyone he feels needs bashing, and some who don’t. And, he enjoys pushing old ladies down stairs, taking candy from babies, and kicking puppies.
Thanks for the glowing character assessment, Frou. It’s all true, although you missed my love of infecting kittens with anthrax to watch their skin fall off…
That one of your hobbies is best for one to witness first-hand.
Descriptions pale by comparison, and some of your mystique is
lost in the tip-off.
Mystique? I’m as open and sunny as the day is long
(Unit: ‘day’ – the length of daylight from sunrise to sunset, measured in late November, 75 miles north of Murmansk, in medium haze)
BDRM,
If you think I have any love for the jug eared Akhenaten lookalike that got elected in November (link behind name), then you really should consider stopping huffing lighter fluid, or, since you seem to be a Republican, sticking oxycotin pessaries up your arse… it’s damaging your critical faculties. How anyone of discernment or taste can presume to defend the sort of troglodyte ravings of
‘he sux s0 bAd’ style posters quite makes me despair for the future of our stunted, venal, unpleasant little species…
President ELECT
No? REALLY? Why does no one tell me these things? I thought he was The Great and Powerful OZ…
I don’t understand how almost none of these comments are even remotely about the picture. It’s so rediculous.
No, it is pundit kitchen. Read for a while, and maybe you’ll start to get it…or maybe not.
and, perhaps in some far off time when I’m being abused in a ‘care home’, between violent outbursts and forced injections of anti-psychotics, and you’re a lot older, you may have learned that, even in Doctor Webster’s illegitimate version of English they use in you demon haunted chunk of the third world, the word is ‘ridiculous’. It’s an ‘I’ you muppet, not an ‘E’…
If feel so purged now…
THOUGHTS
he don’t has em
but he pretends pretty good though
Someone will be along to defend you shortly, troglodyte…
Meanwhile, go stick your tongue on the live rail…
” Hmmm…What name can I come up with for my new Communist Youth Police…something pleasant…How about “Organizing for America? “That sounds innocent enough. We’ll do to anyone who speaks out against me the same as we did to Joe the Plumber and destroy them.We’ll start by ending all home schooling and enrolling the children in my indoctrination centers- public school.
We cannot tolerate dissent at all- I’ll have to ask my buds Putin and Chavez how to manage that….Hmmmm…”
” And I must reward my loyal protectors well….Perhaps a cabinet Post for Uncle Fester and Seth ?…”
I think the Patriot Act and Presidential Veto sorted all that out… as to the rest… well, I look forward to someone prying your AK from your cold dead hand in the news soon…
So, which one of the usual arsewipes are you with a new name?
Look, you tried all this BIG SCARY OBAMA IS GONNA ENSLAVE US AAAAAALLLL HE’S A SOCIALIIIIIISTTT, HE’S A MUUUSLIMMMMM, HE’S THE AAAANTIII CHRIIIIIST during the campaign and it resulted in the Republican Party getting its ass handed to them and having the biggest cry-baby butt-hurt fest the world has ever seen. You’d think you’d have learned your lesson by now, but no.
let me get this strait. We got from being the first comment to strippers to homeschooling to what im typing! Wow…..
failblog worthy