There’s a fine line between being a bad ass and a douchebag…
There’s a fine line between being a bad ass and a douchebag…
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FIRST !
This is a good time of year to check your insulation.
Non-sequitur for “I’ve planted a bomb in your insulation, you should get off your computer now to go look”?
Is it followed by “Don’t bother getting back on your computer afterwards”?
Can’t a girl have a few secrets?
Do you know what “non-sequitur” means? I think you don’t.
Latin WIN!
Vici?
Only if you did it…
Conjugation fail? *sigh*
Hey, I took Spanish, not Latin…
From a linguistics POV, if you took a 1 century BCE Roman, and dropped him into modern central Spain, if you didn’t do it from to extreme a hight, he’d get by pretty well with the local language… Same with modern Romania.
In many respects, the Florentine dialect that became modern Italian, has less in common with Latin than a lot of languages further a field…
But hey, I was impressed you knew ‘Veni. Vidi. Vici.’ Often even mild classicism is beyond most folks…
The fine line between intellectual and douchebag… someone just crossed it.
PiMan was pointing out my non-sequitur, asking if it was a replace-
ment for a similar one. He used the term correctly.
His second sentence was a follow-up to the replacement non
sequitur, not a non sequitur on its own.
Good dissection, rho. I dare say if someone wants to challenge another persons understanding of a term they should be able to discern from where the term came.
Indeed. It is why I had the question marks.
You mean January is a good time to check insulation. Never knew that. But thanks for the tip.
You’re welcome. Attics are uncomfortably hot in the summer months.
Crap! Apologies to Australians, and any others who are not
experiencing winter at this time.
Which reminds me…
Has anyone heard from OMG lately? He was planning to move
house the last I heard.
*sprays First King with Mace*
Sorry, I’m a bit jumpy… school started back yesterday.
*helps with the Mace*
No problem.
Mace?! Wow!! That’s one tough elementary school!!!!
Has to be TX
Little further north, to the old kentucky home. My campus isn’t exactly the safest place on earth. Plus my Dad is worried sick about my night classes. Bless him.
Might I suggest protection by Smith and Wesson?!
*cocks gun*
On top of it!
Actually, it’s more dangerous on the central campus. I spend my time in the business building which is really far away from the dorms and cafeterias. That’s where the muggers/molesters usually hang out. But my Dad is still really adamant about it.
To make matters worse, my Mace can is bright pink…. not quite as intimidating as a gun, but still.
Nah, that’s just insult to injury, hun.
>.> funny thing about Montana, they sell more Bear mace at my Uni than regular Mace…because you’re more likely to come in contact with a bear than get mugged here i guess.
But does it come in Pink for Captain Wow?
On one of my visits to Montana, I heard on the
radio that there had been only two murders in
the entire state for the prior year. It freaked me
out to see people leaving their cars running at
convenience stores, too.
Know how to identify grizzly bear droppings?
They smell like mace.
Here’s a swipe of the whole joke:
What you want is a Pfeifer Zeliska .600 Nitro Express…
Do a google search and tremble/laugh at the people who made it…!
Or if in Massachusetts, where a permit is required to carry mace, just buy yourself a nice can of hairspray. No permit required, and same effect on the eyes. Don’t know if it works on bears, though, since we don’t have to many of those around…
But the ones that are there look Faaaaabulous!
Not to split hairs, but shouldn’t that be douche nozzle?
I’ll just stick with “bastard.”
If I weren’t such a bastard, I’d admit you’re one of my all-time favorite
bastards, you bastard you!
Epic bastardry! I chalk it all up to drinking Arrogant Bastard Ale. (Motto: You are not worthy.) Hops-alicious!
Or Fat Bastard wines… Are you living large? [LINK]
*follows link* Most excellent! I’ll have to sample a bottle some time!
Forkin Bastages!
Nizzlefluting Slinches!!
Borking sifnutas!!!
I can vouch for their shiraz, personally. Yum!
I can’t believe someone else is using “douche nozzle”. I started that up forever ago. I’ve used the term everywhere and I see it seems to be catching on. Either that, or I’m clearly not the only one on the planet who realizes that it isn’t the douche BAG that is the part that gets “dirty”. It’s actually the “nozzle”. But, I begin to think that you heard it from a long line of people that begin from hearing it from me because of the use of the word “nozzle” as opposed to someone saying douche “tube” or otherwise.
Anyway, whether you essentially got that from me or not, I’m just really excited that it’s spreading. The knowledge of the nozzle is officially spreading! Woo!
The mother’s facial expression is perfect ^^
I know. Countdown to epic screaming tackle in 3… 2…1…
followed by an uber bashing from the father and being sent to guantanamo bay for being a “terrorist”. and finally ending with the family broken torn and the child leterally joining al-qaeda to take revenge for his father.
the facial expression could use a lil more suprise mixed with a pinch of shock though
Too bad that’s obviously a U.N. peacekeeper and not a U.S. soldier.
ACCURACY and ANTI-AMERICA FAIL
im not anti american…… wtf made u think that?
and still wat diffrence does it make? cyrus kar got arrested in iraq because he was middle eastern. did i mention he was a marine?
Because pointing your gun at gravel is not nice.
He’s pointing it at the kid.
Actually, not only is he NOT pointing the gun at the kid, but the stock isn’t on his shoulder (as it would need to be to avoid having the rifle fly back into his face), but that’s not the correct firing position for either of his hands (most rifles are fired right-handed) and his finger isn’t on the trigger.
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This is a depth of field illusion. From the soldier’s point of view, the kid is off to his right, not directly in front of him.
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It looks to me like he’s checking the scope.
It might actually be set up for a lefty; you shoot with whatever eye’s dominant.
Also, it being the military, he probably wouldn’t have access to a lefty-friendly AR (not that it matters, they’re fairly ambi and the casings are ejected forwards)
But yes, it’s not pointed at anyone; even assuming the picture is right in where he’s pointing, he’s either aiming at the bags next to the kid or the shins of the lady that’s carrying them, not the kid. Plus, finger’s off the trigger; in addition to everything you mentioned, he’s nowhere near capable of firing the rifle at the time the picture was taken.
Actually, with that angle, I’m going with “Making sure the weapon is safe/loaded”
Looks like he looking at the ejector chamber to me
Come to think about it, maybe with that picture of Bush he *wasn’t* sucking the kid’s brains out…
Or maybe we could, you know, not disect the picture and pretend it’s funny again. ):
Heavy on the “pretend”, cuz as far as LoL’s go, this one’s a bit of fail for me.
Yeah…as a parent, I find the fact that the soldier is pointing his rifle anywhere near the child is a difficult thing to view. That being said, they are in a war zone, or somewhere close to one (I’m assuming) and I’m fairly certain after viewing the pic that the soldier isn’t actually pointing the weapon at the child, nor is he “postured” as if to fire…so I think we need a “lighten up factor” on this one…
*looks again at pic*
Then again…given the situation and the look on mom and dad’s face…hmmm…
I think it is a pretty threatening posture- even though all the guys are correct about this not being a shooting position, etc- the little kid, and probably the parents do not know that-they see a big weapon pointed in their general direction. Douchebag.
The standards of civilized behaviour have officially
reached rock bottom: “his finger’s off the trigger”. Big, fat, hairy deal.
No kidding. It doesn’t matter if his finger’s off the trigger.
He’s terrifying the poor child.
First of all, this picture is of an Israeli soldier pointing at Palestinians.
As a Jewish mother who has spent lots of time in Israel/Palestine…I have
seen many Israeli soldiers not only point their guns/tanks etc.
at children, but actually fire upon them.
check out http://www.electronicintifada.org for more info.
first of all, it’s not an israeli soldier, and they are not palestinians. the snow in the background kinda ruins your false claim. second, i’m quite doubtful you saw israeli soldier point guns at children, and even less confident you saw them shooting at them. i would like to see some proof.
third, even in this pic, the soldier is not pointing the gun to the child, as mentioned by comentators above me.
This was probably taken from a video and the guy was either checking the rifle or lowering it.
And I am sure that little boy was thinking just that as he crapped himself in fright.
It’s pretty clear that subby crossed the line to douchebag. Good Job!
I think the pic is flipped… also, and I could be mistaken here, but I think the gun is set to single not safe (the little lever on the side, above the soldier’s hand)
no that’s the magazine release the selector switch is on the other side.
The selector on the AR-15 is actually above the soldier’s hand, almost resting on the knuckle. but you’re right, I was looking at the magazine release. It’s been a long time since I needed to know about the AR-15 body…
Well, to beat an almost dead horse into the ground, it is not an AR 15, it is an M-16A2, it is not flipped, the selector switch is above his hand, the magazine ejector is on the other side, along with the ejector port and left handed firers either deal with hot brass ejected into their face or use an adaptor that sends the brass forward. But then again, what do I know?
… Is that a horse or modern art?
yeah your right my bad
Holy s?!t, you’re right. That has got to be an American soldier, then. Nobody else would touch the M16 with a ten-foot pole. Especially not in Iraq where one grain of sand already jams the friggin’ thing.
I just didn’t recognize it with the scope on it. Also? It’s been a long time since I got out. O_O
it’s only been a little over a year since I got out. and I can say the weapon may be right but the uniform is all wrong and I’ve yet to see an american soldier with out a kevlar cover. Odds are its one of the countries we helped supply who will probably use the equipment on us in the long run.
See, I was thinking this was in Georgia….and I dont’ mean the deep south.
come on a war going on in Gazza! and you are guessing what soldier is
In Gazza? Geez – poor old Gazza, I was jus’ ‘avin a beer with ‘im yesterday, an’ now ‘e’s got a war? I’ll go’n warn Mozza and Fezza – they were goin’ to a barbie t’night…
it is NOT an American Soldier, the weapon is right and it is a good weapon that anyone would be glad to own.
The soldier is IDF. The Israelis have had M-16’s in their
arsenals for years. The sling attached with paracord is a dead
giveaway. I wouldn’t blame the guy for being a little on edge, as
it’s well documented that the various radical muslim groups sometimes
strap bombs to women and children. It’s a rather sad situation.
yeah, the kid that lies on the pavement
I don’t know. I believe the Soldier is justified. You never know, that kid looks pretty dangerous.
yeah, that kid is dangerous and I’m the Queen of Denmark…..
Margarethe II? Oh wait. I get it. Your reply was sarcasm. Just like mine.
All hail the queen.
*bows*
Oh, wait that’s a mirror.
*shrugs and continues bowing*
too crazy!!!
He’s carrying a satchel charge! Well… a satchel anyway… which could be a charge!
You’re right.
That’s a pretty malevolent gleam in his eye.
Crying children CAN bring out the infanticide in a man..!
Maybe he sat next to them on a plane and is now taking his revenge… You know how little children are on planes.
Easily tossed out the window?
Or was that in my dreams..?
They COULD be easily tossed from the windows.. If only those damn things would open…
Besides in the event of a water landing, of course. In such case, your seat cushion may be used as a smothering device.
Aaahh… *Dreaming of annoying-child strangulation..!*
and in stores -_-
“Don’t make me pull this car over!!”
Are we there yet?
Are we there yet?
Are we there yet?
*grabs Benadryl out of purse*
“Here, take this!!”
(better living through chemistry)
*hands mothergoose a bottle of ether*
This takes care of that awkward gap
before the Benadryl kicks in.
*starts sniffing ether*
*loses control of car*
*grabs wheel, maneuvers car to safety*
*takes full credit for rescue*
you two are my heroes
Now, I need to go deal with some kids. Got any xanax?
No, only this…
*hands MLD bottle of ether*
(I don’t think MG needs it anymore.)
….Then I saw little Tiffany. I’m thinking, y’know, eight-year-old white girl, middle of the ghetto, bunch of monsters, this time of night with quantum physics books? She about to start some shit, Zed. She’s about eight years old, those books are WAY too advanced for her. If you ask me, I’d say she’s up to something. And to be honest, I’d appreciate it if you eased up off my back about it.
MIB WIN! (and through the transitive property of whatever and such) DISS WIN!
You = My Hero
by far the BEST comment on this page!!!! epic win.
Oh, I agree, kids can be really dangerous at that age.
But you shouldn’t get anywhere near them, even with a gun, before you put on a gas mask. That’s the only thing that will let you past their secret weapon.
this picture made me cry. just toooooooooo horrible
Won’t somebody think of the CHILDREN!? *sob*
*bawls, but only to fit in*
Elian Gonzales anyone?
…Mrs Lovejoy?
Israeli “defence”.. what did you expect? good thing the kid survived.. other kids aren’t always this lucky
Yeah. Many of the kids are used as human shields by terrorists.
No no, they’re “martyred”, get it right. It kind of gives me hope that even Hizballah is backing off from HAMAS’ particular brand of crazy. Even the Lebanese are saying “Dude, what did you THINK was gonna happen?”
I wouldn’t really agree with you about the human shields issue.. the IDF just bombed a UN school where hundreds of civilians were taking shelter. even afer the UN gave them co-ordinates of all the humanitarian buildings and missions so that they should be avoided. 48 were killed, all of em civillians and children.
I saw this pic in an album about israeli war crimes. the rest of the set is just too gruesome..
If the UN decided to not pull it’s people out of an area they knew was about to be invaded by ground forces, then they took the risk of having their people killed in collateral damage. This is the simple reality of war: people die, lots of people, sometimes not the enemy. If those UN people decided to stay in an area that was about to be invaded by ground forces, then they put themselves at risk of being killed by collateral damage. Again, the reality of war.
Please cite the aforementioned “album of Israeli war crimes,” or your point has no validity.
And more to the point. If Hammas had not launched rockets at Israel, then the UN school would have never been hit.
This is simple cause and effect theory.
And, if Israelis hadn’t come and kicked indigenous Palestinians out of their homes 60 years ago, the Palestinians wouldn’t be launching rockets at Israelis.
That wheel, she just keeps spinning around.
Show me ANYWHERE prior to 1940 that references to ANY group of people called Palestinians. These people are from Jordan. They were offered a place to live after the UN, the US, and all major Muslims states (see pakistan and jordan) signed off on the creation of Israel. They decided to hang around anyways. And then they started killing the Jews…a lot of whom still had numbers tattoo’d on the inside of their arms…spin that wheel for a few years, enter the 6 Day War, and 60 years later we’re here.
Israel was NEVER the aggressor. They were busy BUILDING. 6 million jews died in WWII at the hands of a madman. In order to prevent that from happening, they were given a homeland. Now whether that was a good idea or not I don’t know, but I’d say it was a pretty compasionate one. The fact that NO ONE in the middle east can grasp that and instead preach genocide warrants not only mine, but the world’s wrath.
I’m not arguing against you, but, according to Wiki:
[LINK] to full article
More to the point, I don’t think the label they used was important. They were living there, then some strangers with a funny religion showed up and told them they’d all have to move, the strangers now owned this land. If it happens to me, I guarantee the strangers will have to look over their shoulders as long as I live.
“Their land” was part of Jordan, Jordan signed off on it, alotted land for them to move to, they didn’t want any part of it. The onus is on them
Are you a Native American?
above was @PM–sorry!
Nope, and worse, my ancestors all came over btwn 1920 and 1933. Nevertheless, *I* was born here, and this is my home. I will die before I cede the rights to it to any outside group. And yes, your point about native americans is a valid one- for the period 1492 to about 1900 or so. Once the Europeans finally pacified the continent, the genie was pretty much out of the bottle, and too late to give the country back.
actually… those “strangers” inhabitted the land of israel consecutively for about 3000 years, long before the arab conquest of the 7-8th centuries. the country was sparsely populated by arabs when big waves of jews begun coming back their homeland, and only then big waves of arabs from neighboring countries begun coming also, in search for jobs (after the jews started developing the land). nobody told arabs to move – lands were bought legaly, and the arabs were also given a big chunk of land (about 75% of what was originally promised to the jewish country) to have their own state. that country is called jordan today, btw.
Those are cheap lies. Every single world except the 6 millions died in WW2. But Israel has nothing to do with those people.
what exactly is not true? can you be more specific
Um… isn’t that the whole point of the United Nations to begin with? Peace-keeping, humanitarian aid, all that stuff? Sticking around in a war zone to try to offer aid and shelter to civilians?
I think that’s his point. If you are in a war zone, for humanitarian purposes or not, you have to expect some casualties…
The original design of the UN was to provide humanitarian aid to peoples and countries that needed it, yes. The peace keeping force came later.
However, the farce that is the UN has been in play for well over 35 years. You think our gov is corrupt? The fed gov might as well be a Sunday School Bake Sale compared to the hypocrisy and backdoor dealings of the UN.
I think I love you.
In bed… With a penis… Covered in Rightwing literature and posters of Ann Coulter holding his wang.
Isn’t that part of the congressional orientation packet for new Republican senators and representatives?
… I’m at a lost for words for the horror you’ve encouraged me to imagine. I need to read something cheerful like Lovecraft to feel better now.
Here, have a copy of “The Watchtower”.
Pfft, my family used to have a subscription back when I was a lad. Those don’t surprise me anymore or even raise an eyebrow.
It’s ok, DWN. Cthulu still wants to eat you!
Actually, yes
And that’s part of the problem
Cthulhu still owes me money.
Cthulhu and I were laughing about that
over a couple of Cuba Libres last night.
Cthulhu’s such a d*ck sometimes.
Yeah, but he bought the drinks , so what are
you going to do?
@DWN: Dude…I told you I’d pay you back when I got my tax refund. I thought we were cool.
Ann Coultier looses any appeal once you get above chest level and after you read any of her books. She is the tranny mother of the NeoCon movement and the only way I’d hit that was somewhere very uncomfortable…..like in the back of a Volkswagon. And I’d make her call me Clinton the whole time…not because I like Clinton, but just because it would piss her off to no end.
Mallrats quote FTW!
I knew someone would get it
A very underrated Kevin Smith movie, in my opinion. “That kid is STILL playing on the elevator!”
*headdesk*
I mean “escalator”….it’s too nizzlefluting early for me.
My fav quote from that movie though, has to be:
“Why can’t I see the sailboat”. I say it often and no one ever gets it
It wasn’t UN people who were killed. They were civilians taking shelter in a UN school.
And describing the avoidable deaths of innocents as “collateral damage” is exactly the sort of thinking that allows people to do this sort of thing.
Welcome to the world of ‘Nineteen-Eighty Four’…
I was reading that last night. I gave me this really weird dream in which I was running through the streets away from one of the school music teachers because she was a thought police person… She caught me before I made it to the woods tho. Damn…
Least it had a happy ending…
I kid, I kid.
HAW! I had a dream that Kristie Alley beat up Ann C**ter!
What, did MAnn try to steal a chicken wing from her or something?
*slaps own hand*
Bad, bad n8! Be more sensitive to the needs of overweight past-their-prime actresses!
Hey, Alley’s still sexy!
Seriously, big ass or no, she’s better looking than the praying mantis from hell.
Alley’s prime, for me, was when she put on a Starfleet uniform for “Wrath of Khan.” It was all downhill from there.
Haven’t seen that in years. I need to spend some money and remedy that.
I’d still let her run her tongue up me inside leg without have to ask me first…
And now I know what I will doing to Lynn tonight. Thanks for the great idea. Sometimes the slow application of tongue before commencement is just what the doctor ordered. Again, thanks for the great idea! Been in a restless mood this week anyway.
If this was ‘1984′ the kid would be telling the soldier to point the gun at his parents
I was referring to the phrase ‘collateral damage’ instead of ‘civilian casualites’…
It makes it so much more tasteful… it’s like ‘friendly fire’ when you mean ‘we shot up our side by mistake’
first of all, even the UN admitted that the school wasn’t bombed, and those were false accusations.
second, there was mortar fire from the vicinity of the school – so i think you should point your finger to those who fire in proximity to civilian. even international law states that when fired upon, you can return fire, whereas the use of human shield is considered a war crime.
and what is “this sort of thing”? firing rockets at civilians? well, the palestinians were great at doing this for 8 years.
Hard to do with the Anti-Defamation League’s reach and power to airbrush history. When you have an organisation who can make a Genetics journal withdraw a peer reviewed article on the Genetic markers between Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Arabs (bottom line – there are none) you’re not going to find many smoking guns outside of Neo-Nazi sites that would be an insanity to cite.
Some of us are old enough to remember 1983-86 and the camps… Thousands of people, in winter, in tents, with limited food and no sewerage… but, of course, the Israelis would be a lot more sensitive about herding people into camps and starving them, so I’m just making it all up…
And some of us have read about the Yom Kippur War and the attempted genocide of all Jews by the militant/fundamental muslims of the time and realize that there was no such thing as a palestinian state until AFTER Israel was created.
I find it hard to have compassion for those countries in the middle east that partook of that movement and as far as I’m concerned, they deserve everything coming to them.
And as far as the genetic marker debate goes….are you a christian? If so, are you willing to admit that Jesus was not white and, in fact, probably looked a lot more like Osama Bin Laden than he looked like any Pope to assume the title?
UF, a christian?
They deserve everything coming to them
Oh, is that why the US wouldn’t vote for a ceasefire?
Nah,
Truman pushed for the creation of an Israeli state after the Holocaust, Israel is our creation more so than anyone else’s. Since no one else, even if they thought it, will support Isreal, we have to play the bad guy and give them support when no one else will.
It used to be that our role was to protect Israel. Considering that they have over 250 nuclear warheads, our role has is now to protect the rest of the muslim world from them. Had we not intervined during Sharon’s administration…..well, at least we wouldn’t have had to go into Iraq.
And who didn’t shut them down when they ’stole’ the technology?
The UK had its hand in the founding, since a lot of the problems inthe region date back to protectorate days… but nice to see someone in the US for taking some credit for the monster of the Med…
Well, if you’re talkinf back in the protectorate are you saying the Pre-Holy Roman empire one or later? Cuz if it’s pre then the Germans are just as much to blame.
I was thinking the British Empire… but yes, Austro-Hungarians and the Germans had a hand, as did Czarist Russian and America…
Ah, I’d never heard of the Brit Empire called the protectorate…proabably a result of me being here in the state. That and I tend to look at the Middle East and all of the problems there dating back to before the Crusades
*pops popcorn, awaits Unc’s answer*
we have to play the bad guy and give them support when no one else will.
Yeah, remain loyal to countries you have a “special relationship” with: not to humanity in general.
Translation: We let them have the nukes, but we don’t want irradiated oil…
Humanity? Seriously? You’re going to play the HUMANITY card in an Israel vs the Middle East fight? Really? Honor Killings? Women and men being stoned to death for holding hands in public? Cutting the heads of of christians that are their own countrymen? State sanctioned rape? Open declarations of Genocide against Jews and anyone else they have a beef with (deserved or not)?
Humanity INDEED.
They’re still being needlessly murdered. Not even your broad brush can change that.
Sorry, take out needless. Otherwise it’s tautology.
Take into comparison that Hamas’ rockets are aimed (as best they can) to kill /any Jew at all/. Including women, children, the elderly, etc. They’ve been launching rockets into Israel since forever, hitting schools, churches, etc, injuring and/or killing several people.
Israel’s just now getting fed up with it, although its attacks are targeted towards Hamas. The motives are different here. But of course it’s war and of course innocent people are going to get hurt. I’m not saying I support that and yes it’s unfortunate but it happens. It’s just because that some people don’t have the entire story and because Israel isn’t shooting /bottle rockets/ BACK at Hamas, people cry ‘overreaction!’ and Hamas cries ‘They started it!’
If you’ve ever had a younger sibling, think of it this way: You’ve been stuck sitting next to your little brother/sister in this forever long road trip with no end in sight and no where to move away from them because you’ve been stuck there with no real other option. The least they could do is keep quiet and make it /somewhat/ bearable but no, they’ve taken to entertaining themselves by poking you repeatedly. You’ve tried to ignore it, but they won’t stop and it’s grating on your nerves really fast. Finally you get fed up with it and what do you do? You punch your sibling in the face. But of course /you/ look like the bad guy because you’re bigger and more powerful.
How’s that for humanity for ya?
It is an over reaction because Isreal’s rockets have killed more innocent people (let alone the less than innocent) than Hamas has killed total (innocent or not).
@LB
I raise a a shot of JD to you sir
@PiMan…..and what ELSE are they supposed to do? They’ve gone through ceasefire after ceasefire and dialouge after dialouge, frankly, they have no other choice. It’s not like “we didnt’ have a choice” with Iraq…they literally have no other option. And they’ve had their ground troops sitting there for a week ready to move in, giving Hamas every opportunity to stop being asshats and Hamas doesn’t care. 72 virgins in heaven is more important than peace in their own backyard I guess.
(*Ma’am, just for the record) Hehe thanks, I try. I have no patience for the ignorant.
yeah… we’re just “supporting them” if by supporting you mean giving them the weapons to do our dirty work. The US cant go in and take everything in the middle east (read: Oil) without looking like we’re trying to shoot the moon (hearts, anyone?). So we get Israel to do it, because everyone hates them anyway but cant/wont do anything about Israel because it’s “anti-semetic” (though IMHO its more anti-zionism than anti-semitism. I have no problems with jews, i have lots with israel).
Give weapons? I’ll have you know Israel pays out the nose for those F-15s. We’ve stopped Israel from attacking and “Palestine” since the 70’s. Less bumpersticker reading, more history.
protect the muslim world from israel? are you refering to the same more than 1 billion people-third of the countries in the world-having vast amounts of oil-muslim world? from a 7 million (20% arabs) state, smaller the new jersey country? and when did u need to intervene during the sharon’s administration exactly? and don’t know what iraq has to do with it.
News reports today we abstained becaus Olmert phoned Bush (Olmert claims he brought Bush out of a public appearance for this dressing down) and demanded the US not back the ceasefire that Condi had written.
Well that’s just ridiculous. Jesus was Jewish, so he looked like a Jew of that time period. Of course he looked more Middle-Eastern than a Polish guy does.
He probably didn’t have light skin, long hair, a beard, or a skinny face with blue eyes, either.
And for the record, I’m a Christian.
Bully for you… expecting a round of applause for that?
I think s/he was just letting people know that in challenging a perception of Jesus s/he wasn’t slagging Christianity.
correcto mundo….and fyi, he probably did have a beard, but blue eyes? hahahahahahhahahahahahahah.
Typical Liberal (in)tolerance!
Fester’s not your typical anything; and he’s intolerant to pretty much everything. Except lurex.
Nor am I a ‘liberal’… Mike, you are the weakest link…
Yeah but you see how he but the “in” in parenthesis like it was… I mean it was kinda…
Yeah, he’s pretty much drooling and dragging his knuckles right about now.
LMAO!!
I’m confused, is this considered new information? None of what you are saying si a surprise to me.
If you read him/her like a four-year-old telling
you all about a neat bug, it’s easier to take.
Cute, even.
Adorable Christian is adorable? I’m not sure I buy that…
I’ve had the flu for four days now. Perhaps
that has something to do with it.
*tickles mike and hrise under their chins*
1) I’m not a Christian.
2) Far as I’m concerned, loading the place with European Jews as a huge mistake
3) How nice, you read something… did it have pictures?
Yes, of Muslims getting it handed to them and Israel holding 3 times the land it started with after just 7 days. If that’s what happens when they declare a Jihad, then by all means they may delcare another one.
you got the full set of stickers… I’m impressed.
I like the sparkly ones the best
I prefer the moving lenticular ones…
guess jews staying in europe was a great success. 2000 years of persecutions really was a lot of fun.
anyway, jews have more claim to that country then anyone else, and just for the record – jews got there also from asia, america and africa.
btw, you know why almost no jews in muslim countries? they were driven away, in bigger numbers than the palestinians (who most ran away even before seeing any israeli troops, since they were expecting victory by arab countries over israel in 1948, planning to go back afterwards).
WTF?! There was always Palestine!! What was the name of the land before Israel was created?!!?!?!?
wow, you’re very ignorant. the country was called palestine, due to the name romans gave it after the jewish revolt in 132-136. it was called after the philistines (nothing to do with muslims/arabs – they were invaders of european origins, that disapperad long before even the romans got there). there was never an arab or muslim state that went by that name, and anyone who lived here (including jews) under the british mandate was a “palestinian”. the palestinians took their name from the country, and even that they did only in the 20th century. the word palestine, of course, have no origin in arab language, and of course no mention of “palestine” or “palestinian people” until the 20th century.
“Please cite the aforementioned “album of Israeli war crimes,” or your point has no validity.”
Here’s one of the lot. be warned it’s quite graphical.
http://donthidethetruth.blogspot.com/2009/01/israels-crimes-against-palestinians-war.html
Geneva convention states that under no circumstances should humanitarian or aid workers be subjected to any harm or prevented from operating. Israel just bombs them.
I’m not really convinced that the current offensive is justified because of the rockets being fired from gaza. those rockets injured under 12 israelis over the past THREE years, where the gaza operations have resulted in over 950 deaths in the past two weeks alone. and oh yeah, over half of those were women/children.
So basically, 500 innocent civillians dead is acceptable because it’s just defense against terrorism? I don’t like it when one side is constantly “justified” no matter how bad things become or how much blood is spilled. Human life should have the same value no matter which side we’re talking about. and please don’t get talking about who started it again, this isn’t preschool here.
trying to stay out of this one for the most part… but what makes you think that all those women and children were innocent? as far as i’m concerned a child is a child until 18… however i was well aware of what was going on in the world from about 15 onward. with that in mind, if i were living in a state of war (like israel and palestine) i’m pretty sure that at 15 i’d be taking a pacifist or militaristic stance. so if you take into account all the “children” who might be partaking in the war, i’m sure your number of “500 innocent civilians” goes down. also, what’s to stop a woman from being a militant? can’t she throw a bomb or fire a rocket launcher just as well as any man can? count in those women who are militant and that’ll take your “500 innocent civilians” even lower. now, i’m sure there are some men who aren’t militant who will make up some of those 500… but the idea and basic acceptance that all women and children killed are simply innocent bystanders who did nothing wrong and should be raised on a pedestal and mourned for years is ridiculous.
yeah, innocents die. but that’s war. it’s sick. it sucks. but that’s war.
would women be allowed to be militant? i see where you’re going with that, if it were another place where women had more rights it would make perfect sense but, depending on the force, wouldn’t a woman not have the chance to be militant, that would be…a man thing. I don’t know enough about how they feel about fighting to say for sure, but if it is something to do with honor, that they’re being martyrs, it seems like women would not be accepted as fighters.
i think for the majority they’re not “allowed” to fight. but (and this is my own assumptions) i also get the feeling that when they’re in the middle of a shit storm like they are right now, they’re a little more willing to let “the womens” fight.
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could be wrong. but my rant up there was not directed 100% at this exact situation. anytime people die everyone’s all “not the women and children!!! NOOOO!” but no one gives a crap if the men die. i think it sucks if anyone dies in war, but a woman or a child is no more important than a man dying, in my eyes.
A few women have, since the last intifada, become homicide bombers.
Yes, the results are terrible to look at when genocidal zealots take refuge and hide their weapons among mosques, schools and civilian family homes. Calculatedly terrible. It’s part of the Hamas strategy to put as many civilians in the line of fire as possible – you take a look at detailed reports and you’ll see references to “secondary explosions” when homes and mosques get hit. Those secondary explosions are caches of Hamas weapons. All of which makes for lots more splashy redness and small bodies to carry out for the viewing of the international media.
Innocents? Sitting on top of terrorist weapons depots?
Hmmmmm.
So, you know they’re not coerced… cool
Now, I need lottery numbers…
Kept ignorant? Impoverished? Desperate?
And when the Israeli missiles hit, tightly clinging
to the only false hope they have?
4 – 10 – 22 – 27 – 36 – 39; 158
(I get my usual 10%, of course.)
If I win, you can take it out of my body…
You always say that, then never pick me up
at the bus stop…
israel doesnt just “bomb” them. but of course, even if you’re firing a rocket, you’re humanitarian aid. also, the geneva convention states that when fired upon, you can return fire, and that the use of human shield is a war crime – and any civilian hurt due to exchange of fire, is therefore the responsibility of the side using human shields.
also, your claim about the amount of injured/dead is wrong (and i don’t even refer to the number of casualties, which is also wrong) – this is clearly and act of agression, and it is aimed at killing people. the only reason preventing a lot of casualties, is the lack of advanced of technology by the palestinians, and preventive measures taken by israel and israelis. reaction to this kind of agression, is also allowed by international law. also, what you basically say is – “well, if a lot of jews are dead, it’s ok if israel react. as long as someone just tries to kill israelis, it’s ok, and you shouldn’t do anything against it”. dunno, seems kinda weird statement to me…
and actually, it DOES matter how it started. 2 dead kidnappers is better than one dead hostage, even if lives are equal.
What’s sad is the Palestinians could have had their own unoccupied nation for the last 40 years or so if they and their fellow Arabs hadn’t resorted to douchebaggery, and then gotten their asses handed to them.
Several times.
And kept listening to leaders who promised even more douchbaggery, instead of a negotiated peace settlement.
It’s hard to feel pity for people that collectively stupid.
stupidity and pride go hand in hand. If there was a force that kicked Americans out of the USA and all you got was texas and new mexico, the a large amount of people would be chopping at the bit to do something stupid and violent, and it would take a few generations before a large voting population would be okay with just everything of the mason dixon line, via peaceful agreement. It isn’t an exact example, but you get the idea, when a whole group of people feels slighted they will do dumb things.
of course, you’re just exaggerating, taking things out of context, and making an uneven and unjust parallel between israel and nazi germany… it would be a bit more fair if you would specify about what incident you’re talking about.
of course these kind of things happen in most wars, but only israel is “like the nazis”. due to the fact that the number of palestinians just grows in time, and that a lot of them seek jobs and medical care in israel, i find it hard to claim that israel is trying to perform genocide. but then again, maybe i’m just making it all up.
where do u want them to go ?
it is the only war in the world u just cant run away.
One secular state, the only solution…
they are ethnic arabs. When my entire jewish community was forced out of Iran, we found a new home (as did my yemeni friends, Iraqi friends, european friends before that…). The problem is that the surrounding Arab nations do not want to absorb the ‘palestinian problem.’
There was actually a video showing rockets being fired from that school…
Either way, Israel can do w/e they want after they were bombed for 8 years.
If it were any other country gaza strip would’ve been long gone.
Link or it’s not true.
Thanks, Mark.
BOOM. Youtube FTW.
An attack 15 months ago justifies bombing the school today?
Why not? The land claim of the Israelis dates back well over 2500 years… and the got kicked out in something like AD70…
Does this mean Israel can nuke the Vatican? Please say yes!!!
you’re the self proclaimed history buff… you work it out
So indeans can claim almost are americans as illegals! YAY! and citizens of ROME can claim Europe as its province…awsome!
No, but an attack yesterday sure does
Video or it didn’t happen.
Ok. Quoting:
“20 Israeli deaths in 10 years… 600 Palestinians dead”
You can’t just provide a quote without citing a source. Especially if you omit a portion of the quote, which your …. suggests that you did.
You need to provide a link to the original source, or reference it so we can look it up. People aren’t going to take your word for it just because you slapped some quotation marks around it.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231167272256&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
No no no! They never kill civilians!
Not unless they were being used as human shields by cowardly, inhuman enemies, in which case hey, it’s not their fault anyway, amirite?
Get your propaganda straight!
War is a lot easier to wage if you define your opponent as not human.
Oh, there are too much people from israel who is talking about inhumans! the same as the Germans did in WW2. I will stop respect Holocaust memory from today. because Israel today is not respecting people of other natioan the same as did germans with them some day. Israelis are not better.
you’re funny. then what would you say about muslims? 10 million muslims died by hand of other muslims. the vast majority of the others have died by hands of christians (mainly russia, US and UK).
and the growing number of palestinians just makes your claim about israel trying to do ethnic cleansing absurd. the numbers of palestinians seeking jobs and medical care in israel also tells a different story… and anyway, it doesn’t have anything to do with respecting the memory of the holocaust. but i don’t think these things actually bother you, or that you ever had any respect to the victims of the nazis (after all, mein kampf is a best seller in most muslim countries, as well as in the palestinian authority).
According to civilians who survived being sent to a building and shelled, men were separated from their families and made to stay with Israeli soldiers “in case Hamas come.”
Did “terrorists,” refer to Israeli forces?
They are useless as shields. Israel still bombing them all.
that’s why u have one of the lowest ratios of civilians/armed men deaths in recent history of wars and military operations… (even using the numbers quoted by palestinians…). yes, seems reasonable.
Are you certain that it’s an Israeli soldier pictured? I don’t see any identifying insignia… not saying it’s not, just wondering how you recognized him as such.
I was looking at the snow on the ground…
Yes, because there’s no snow and soldiers paired up anywhere else in the world. WONDERFUL deductive reasoning there!
What a joy you are.
HA-HA-HA-HA!
It’s the way he buttons his underwear. Rho can see all…
I’m proud of you for catching on, but n8 was asking James a question.
I wasn’t a part of this conversation.
Perhaps you had nesting fail, and were addressing my notice of the
snow.
I was making note of my confusion.
I was not, as Blarg implied, drawing any sort of conclusion.
I was answering n8 with the fact that you have super vision and not many people know it. It nested just fine, I’m just a twit.
Oh, okay, no problem. BTW, you might want to get that mole
on the back of your right leg looked at…
O_o… Will do.
He’s circumsized, thats how we can tell.
You know, it never snows in gaza…
It rarely does in the west bank either, and it hasn’t snowed this year yet
in Israel.
Maybe, just maybe this is not an Israeli soldier?
There are many conflicts in the wrold.
world, sorry.
poetic, very.
IT gets bloody cold and wet though…
You sure it’s Israel? He’s holding an M16.
i´m thinking the picture caught him while he was raising or lowering the gun, but who knows? just remember that pictures are manipulative.
One good sign is that his finger is outside of the trigger guard. He’s at the ready, but doesn’t seem intent on firing. Even having the gun pointed anywhere near the kid seems like jackwad behavior to us, until you realize that quite a few people in that neck of the woods would have no qualms about using their toddler as a bomb delivery system.
You say that like it’s a bad thing…
that idea is pretty offensive, unless you happen to know someone who lives there and uses their toddler as a bomb delivery system… I can understand the idea that someone could use A toddler as a bomb delivery system, or brainwash their teen, so that in his late teen years he chooses to suicide bomb, but saying something like that takes the humanity out of the enemy, thus making them an animal, and making it o-k for us to kill them…. including toddlers, which is disgusting. so, n8, perhaps you could either be more obvious that you’re being sarcastic, or phrase your statements in a way that doesn’t seem to justify viewing another human as sub-human.
It doesn’t stop Ann Coulter…
Toddler bombs won’t stop Ann Coulter? *makes note*
I plan to use a Zombie Baby Cannon mounted on the back of a station wagon. Now I just need a station wagon, a cannon, and a supply of zombie babies for ammo.
Nothing that evil ever dies… they just go to hell to regroup
We might need binding spells and sacred chains to contain her evil until it can be exorcised or we get bored.
One traditional method for vampires is to stuff their mouths full of garlic. It may or may not work on the C***tergeist, but at least she wouldn’t be able to “talk”.
True, I guess we could use wadded pictures of Obama instead.
Thereby not wasting perfectly good garlic that I could be using for delicious cooking.
$: – 9
I try to think ahead and symbolically whenever I can.
Your ” $:-9 ” looks like Blago…
Hey Rho, you have a new friend. *evil grin*
It was supposed to be someone with curly hair (i.e., me) licking their chops in anticipation of delicious, delicious cooking.
Sorry! I guess everyone’s an art critic…
*resolves to be more open-minded about
keyboard art*
=^o.o^=
Flying owl?
Madonna lying down?
*sings (tune: “I’ve Got a Secret”)*
Jane is made of WI-IN!
Jane is made of WI-IN!
Come to think of it, didn’t she have her jaw wired shut recently?
Who was the idiot doctor that took that off?
I don’t believe that sort of treatment is compliant with the Geneva Conventions
The Geneva Convention only covers Human evils. We are talking about Ann Coulter.
if we want to get really traditional I have a white stallion we could use to find the fresh grave she is inhabiting, then in the noon day sun when she is weakest, we’ll dig her up and stake her to ground through the chest (and possibly limbs for extra coverage) cut her head off with a silver sword, seal up the coffin and nail it shut (we can go modern and add some cement) then rebury the coffin.
I am a sucker for nifty traditions.
May I suggest epoxy to re-enforce the nails and cement? Please?
Should we burn and salt the remains, just in case?
sure, we can’t be too careful. maybe plant a tree on the grave to twist the remains and lock them in the roots…and just in case all this doesn’t work, we’ll just surround the area with pomegranate seeds. she’ll stop and count them, by the time she’s done we’ll have a new plan, and possibly the zombie baby canon 2.0
2.0 will have flaming ammunition and kung fu grip. I am pulling out the stops and having Eddie and Max help with the design. Eddie has an idea to increase accuracy and Max has an idea to improve the propulsion system.
Before or after dousing them with holy water?
Or he was just stating something that happens in that part of world more often than it happens here… If anything, I found his statement to have sarcasm as a coping mechanism to hold back the total horror of using kids as bombs.
Then again, I am probably projecting so that is my mileage showing. I would be rather twitchy too if I thought anybody or thing could be a bomb. Nothing really justifies this picture. In a sane world, there is never a need to have a gun pointed in the remote vicinity of a kid. However, this is not a sane world.
So yes, the idea is offensive and I think that was n8’s point.
The gun isn’t pointed… it’s being checked over. If it was being pointed, the stock would be against the man’s shoulder, as has been pointed out elsewhere.
The business end is facing the general direction. I caught the above about it not being readied. However, I am a paranoid man and take into acccount one of the rules of gun safety. “Don’t point it in the direction of something you don’t want dead.”
So yea, I think about misfires, accidental fire, etc. I wasn’t saying it was intentional. I was saying that a gun is out, loaded, and facing the general direction of a kid. It’s a parent paranoia thing.
AR-15 hasn’t been that prone to misfire since the did the redesign in the 1960s…
The standard issue precursor would go off, with the safety on, if a roach broke wind.
One other thing about the ‘genral area’ thing… it’s tricky in a war zone to run 100% safety rules. Looking at the depth of field (of focus) we’re looking at a lonf lens photo. Thus the soldier could be anywhere from 4 to 24 feet away (I’d favour 8 to 10 feet) from the family group.
Safety is on. Finger is NOT on the trigger. Now, if this were the Super bowl I’d say we were on dicey ground. However, it’s some cold, third world hell, where some mad SOB is trying to kill other mad SOB over dirt and history, so I’d say he was making the best of a bad situation. Saying the kid ’shouldn’t’ be there, or that the soldier ’shouldn’t’ be checking his gun just means you really don’t have any idea what you’re talking about…
Life doesn’t tend to be like movies, nor is it terribly neat when ’safety procedures’ that work in civilisation (as much as the americas can be called ‘civilised’) are applied to war zones…
That all stated and already understood. Simply saying, I don’t like guns being near children. That’s all. I am not condemning him or stating he can’t do it or anything of the sort.
So by all means, keep getting your panties in a twist over not comprehending my meaning. It’s cute because I already agreed with you above. I am simply stating I don’t like guns around kids. Not saying anything about how he needs to run his war. As a matter of fact, I posted in the soldier’s defense about an hour ago so you are pretty much preaching to the choir. I already know the sermon but your consideration is appreciated.
Care to add something relevant/non-redundant now or will you degenerate to insults as your usual course? Or shall we continue to aggressively agree with each other?
My unreserved apologies for my comprehension FAIL!!!!
Seems I was challenging you for the title of ‘Cretin King’ and based on that, I nearly wrested it from you…
It was a daunting battle to be sure but you have a lot of training before you can out-cretin me!
I’ll have to settle for ‘The Clown Prince of Douche-baggery’
You can have a prime seat in my court while we mock people without our abilities.
Then lets have them point it at someone YOU love.
If you saw that thing pointed at you, would you grow up loving the US?
And if they pointed one at your kid, would you love US troops?
Taking my point a bit personally but ya, that was the basis of my paranoia. Then again, the soldier isn’t doing anything so that is all it is, my projected paranoia and the parents do seem to share it.
i’ve been walking into a mall and been drawn on by the dudes working the armored car. i did not hate them nor what they stood for. i knew they were doing their job and doing it properly. as long as i did not threaten them in any way i was just as safe as if they had not pointed a gun at me.
.
so, your argument does not really meet the test. just because someone points a gun at you does not mean that you have the right to hate them.
Um… When did I say hate? I just said I don’t like having guns pointed at me because I am paranoid. Soldiers are just doing their job, even if I don’t like it. I don’t hate soldiers. I’m just paranoid.
You guys are making me into a broken record here… Or was your post for “me” above my own post?
yes. my post was for the guy above you… named “me”
sometimes those little blue buttons are confusing…
No worries, my friend. I figured as much.
It’s been a while since I was in the US. They have martial law there now?
Yes, Walmart was the last straw… Action had to be taken. I, for one, am glad to have our caring overlords watch us with disdain from gunpoint while we go about doing our Worker Bee lives.
The M16 and Night stick comfort me.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of perceived menace
I know thou art with me,
watching through cameras and pointing your gun…
In bed…
Amen.
FIRST!
No, you missed that by a few kilometers. Like a few dozen.
No Unc, not the M16. For you, it’ll be the MI-6. And 5. And Scotland Yard. And the plethora of surveilance cameras…
And a Tally Ho before the hunt is joined to catch dissidents.
I think my Special Branch file is closed now…
I’ve been inactive too long to be a real ‘person of interest’ anymore…
One good thing about the Cams… they now have so much data they can’t process it. All well and good taking it, but there’s now too much.
Aye, that’s the hope of us all. Drinking from the firehose is a very difficult proposition, though you’d be surprised what “data mining” techniques can reveal.
Not much surprises me… I’m pretty au fait with the leading edge of various techniques, and the volume, even using a distributed net and evolvoing algoritms type analytics the volume for complex data is still just too high.
simple stuff, like a cam that spots a car tag records it, and logs car’s direction and speed is easy. Crowd monitoring and control is a lot harder, since you’re mapping facies (that need hi res) and contexts of actions… that’s warm bodies on seats using video kit and a lot of time…
Drinking from a firehose… I am now reminded of things best left unmentioned that I have seen in my internet travels.
If the armored car rent-a-cops pulled a gun on me, I would make sure they lost their jobs at a minimum, and get a big fat settlement out of the company, maximum. There are laws about when it’s allowed to Menace someone with a gun in the US, and “just ’cause I have a lot of money I don’t want you to steal” is not one of them.
PM, I assumed from the casual nature of ubr’s comment that he realized when it happened that he’d inadvertently done something to make them think he was a threat. (Ubr, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.) Haven’t done armored car work myself (and have never actually had to draw my gun doing security work) but I can tell you if you think you’re in a situation where you might be facing an armed robber or something you really don’t want to be the last person to draw. It’s a distinct disadvantage.
Maybe UBR’s in the habit of walking armed. I’m not, and any response of a drawn weapon, when I’m unarmed, is an inappropriate response. I’m sure any trained professional in the US armored car industry will agree.
It’s possible to mistake other items for a weapon; it’s possible for someone to approach in an erratic or aggressive manner that suggests they may be armed; there’s situations in which it would (IMO) be appropriate to unholster a weapon (note that I didn’t say shoot anyone!) without verifying that they had a weapon pointed at you. I suspect we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one, though.
Actually, security companies have procedures they have to follow, and those procedures walk the fine tightrope of protecting the things they are hired to protect, and not getting the company into a public relations or legal nightmare. Those procedures vary from company to company, but I’m pretty sure all of them adhere to a “no draw unless weapons are visible” rule. I respect the way you argue, Diss, but I think this is a question that actually has a right and a wrong answer, not just a difference of opinion.
I would imagine it varies from state to state & from company to company. Like I said, I have never worked armored cars, but I do have my license as armed security & pick up a couple of shifts a week. When you get your license (in my state, anyway) you are trained & have to pass a (pretty easy) test; basically it comes down to you can draw if you feel like you could be in danger and you can shoot if your life is threatened. Rules @ the company I work for can be boiled down to: 1) Don’t get shot, please, somebody will have to cover your sift 2) Don’t get us sued. 3) Don’t piss off the customers. 4) Show up for your shift on time and in uniform. 5)Oh, yeah…don’t piss off the customers. Seriously.
I asked when I started if there was anything I should avoid if I got into a physical altercation with somebody on the job (have to break up a fight, get jumped myself, whatever) and was told “You’re tiny. Do whatever you have to do. Bite ‘em, hit ‘em with your cuffs, poke ‘em in the eye…try to avoid shooting them, though.”
I haven’t had to draw my weapon on the job *knocks wood*, and I’d prefer never to have to, but I do know (from conversation) that when guards assigned to check out a location where an alarm has gone off are searching the premises, they most certainly have thier guns drawn. Again, I’m sure armored car procedures are probably somewhat different.
Or if ubr was even in America going to a mall… Malls exists in other countries too, if I remember correctly.
*sigh*…#1 should read “shift”…Also, a disclaimer, should I sound like a certain person who always has relevant personal history that posts here occasionally: I’m trying to pay off my student loans, hence the second job.
LOL and three points!
He has a point rho, he didn’t summon.
Those were POINTS, not demerits!!
…and diss is a lovely lady, bringing up 2(?)
very lovely girls, I believe.
Thank you rho; it’s 3 girls and 1 boy, but the oldest 2 girls are out on their own (more or less) at this point. But, yes, I’m definitely female!
here’s how the armored truck thing went…
five friends and i were walking up to the mall door where the armored car was parked. this was several years ago and we all looked a little bit… um… dirty? I guess? I was in college at the time so we definitely did not look like upstanding citizens. It was winter so we were bundled up too… as we were about 100ft from the armored car the two guards with the money bags came out of the mall and as soon as they saw us they drew their pistols and placed them behind the money bags in a gesture that means “don’t come near us, we have guns.” The dude who was watching the door of the armored truck turned and pulled out his gun too. When we all saw the guns come out our first instinct was to put our hands up and stop walking towards the truck.
This was in the united states in orange county california no less…
And if we had tried to get these guards into trouble for pulling on us it wouldn’t have gotten anywhere. The guards have permitted guns and as long as they are not menacing, i.e. threatening to shoot you, then you really don’t have much of a case…
Thanks for the expanded explanation, ubr! They do sound a bit…paranoid.
I suppose you’ll just have to be offended then. What -ever- will I do? *yawn*
In the meantime, why don’t you click on my name to see exactly the regard these people have for their children.
I’m on your side, but, in fairness, would you object to inserting
“some of” before “these people?”
Thank you for the link–Interesting read.
Sorry, thought it was implied. “These” refers to the subset of “people” that engage in toddler bombings. My sensitivity meter is set rather low of late… I need beer to recalibrate!!
Oh drats! And all I have is this case of Arrogant Bastard Ale…
I have that drip fed into my blood stream…
Not the… not the “oaked” kind… is it? It IS! *commences to recalibratin’*
I don’t know Rho, you were confusingly understanding on the spitball thread.
*mutters* Hobo Humpin’ New Years Resolutions….
I told you not to feed the strays, they’ll only follow you home. *points to Good/Bad/Ugly thread*
Lesson learned.
really? they strap up teenagers with bombs and for some reason you don’t think they would do it with a toddler? a teenager has had nourishment and food for at least a decade… that’s a lot of investment when they just blow them up… toddlers make way more economic sense.
Easier to mass produce too…
And now excuse me while my blood thaws.
Don’t bother thawing out just yet. Someone is bound to
bring up some of the stuff that’s common practice in Saudi-Arabia
(the worst place in the world)
Oh, no, I’m sure you must have that wrong. The Saudi’s love us, especially Bush. I’m sure they are perfect little Christians in Saudi Arabia, rly. /snark
Just gets me that people call Israel an apartheid state,
when Saudi-Arabia actually is one!
But you can’t call brown people bad!
Oh, no!
Yeah, and a toddler wouldn’t be interested in the 72 virgins the
teenager would expect.
now that i look at it more closely, the guy doesn´t even really seem to be aiming and it isn´t really pointed at the kid. more like at the ground or those bags.
First off those who have not been there can’t judge……………..Second we were taught to never raise a weapon from the ground unless we are going to be killing something………… He’s not pointing it at the child……….
Former SGT McKinney
US Army
Kuwait/Iraq 02/03, Iraq 05
Sir yes sir. ):
Anyone with firsthand knowledge, feel free to jump in and correct me, but: I think Sgts. are addressed as Sgt., not Sir.
Well excuse me for having no urge to go skipping off to some dusty wasteland to shoot people.
It’s one of those things that’s not my priority in life to know.
but showing respect to people who have earned it should be a priority in your life…
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and as i learned from gunnery sergeant slaughter, “don’t call me sir, i work for a living.” and yes, gunny slaughter was his REAL name.
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and to make a short story longer, if you thought gunny sergeant was tough, wait till you meet senior chief black.
Your rebuttal to my not caring has ripped a thousand tiny holes in my ego.
From which I bleed sarcasm.
And to make my short story longer:
I
Don’t
Caaaaaaaaaare.
“Your rebuttal to my not caring has ripped a thousand tiny holes in my ego.
From which I bleed sarcasm.”
I’m going to use that in the future
=]
So Gunny Slaughter stole a line from the movie Stripes…
Well, it probably wasn’t original in Stripes, either.
true. i’ve heard it from pretty much every NCO i’ve ever met in my life…
That sounds right. My dad was Air Force, but he said
Stripes had some parts down cold!
“Well excuse me for having no urge to go skipping”
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I personally enjoy skipping, but feel free to frolic if that’s what you prefer.
Or sashay, if it strikes you to do so.
You don’t call a sergeant “sir”, dumbass.
kthxbai
Already been updated.
By the way, uless you missed something
I really don’t give a flying fish.
):
*unless
Look what you did. ):
the care troll is back! and dumber than ever!
Any man pointing a gun at me when I am unarmed is going to get called “sir” or whatever else he likes.
As part of the voting public that (supposedly) gets to tell soldiers who they’ll be killing and what they’ll be breaking from day to day, when do I get to judge?
How does the voting public “get to tell soldiers who they’ll be killing and what they’ll be breaking”?
You mean you’ve never been to the “Who do we kill next” voting booth?
I thought that was what the 2004 election was…
I’d speak up and either confirm or deny your response.. But I wasn’t paying attention in 2004. Or 2000. Or pretty much any other time…
;o)
Splitting hairs, Unc, but that was the “Whom do we keep killing”
election…
Do they have donuts at those polling places?
Only powdered ones.
oooooh! Well, sign me up then…
*signs mg up for the donut voting place*
Oh.. Oops I meant
*signs mg up for the “Who Do We Kill Next” voting place*
“You mean you’ve never been to the “Who do we kill next” voting booth?”
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Directions to this plz.?
Turn south at Oklahoma…
Haha-ha
“Di-di-dit-di-dit-di-dit-dit-di…”
Well it’s like Burning Man. Before it sold out. You gotta find it on your own/
But I have signed you up.
The soldier may have no insignia visible in the picture, but the equipment looks like IDF’s.
Apart from the fact that he’s not aiming at the kid and that his finger is out, the family looks disgruntled, not terrified. Meaning the soldier is probably urging them to move along or something.
Also, I don’t think it’s snowing in Gaza, so it was probably taken in the west bank, where there’s no operation.
no one else noticed that the helmet the guy is wearing is not an israeli issue helmet? and neither are the bdus he’s wearing?
No. Despite my extensive knowledge of warfare regalia, I failed to notice the incline on the forehead of the helmet, let alone the way it falls to the ears.
/sarcasm
AHUR.
Just another “hate the military” post.
It’ll take more than that to make me lose my respect for
the people who are (were) in the military.
Seconded…
Thirded. Wait.. that’s not a word. Seconded Squared then!
Ha! Beat that!
*excellent*
Pi’d?
*screams*
Curses!
Well played mothergoose, well played.
*courtsey*
Why thank you…those seven years of high-school math really paid off!
Win!
Mmmmm! I like pi!
Um, wouldn’t “seconded squared” be “fourthed”?
Seconded Squared is WAYYYY cooler than ‘fourthed’. Which I feel the need to point out is also not a word.
As stated above.. Pictures can be manipulative. Without knowing the full backstory this pic could really have any caption and we wouldn’t know the difference. People’s own predjudices also play a large part..
Many people are horrified when they see ANY type of military violence (oh won’t someone PLEASE think of the children) but we don’t know what really is going on.
Perhaps the captioner of this photo doesn’t hate the military at all, maybe he was saying the kid crossed the line into douche-bag-ness. Or the mom. Or the dad. Or that person in the background. It’s all perspective. Your perspective is obviously tatinted because you are sensitive to people blaming the military for things. Could be a friend or relative was in the military, I don’t know, but I can tell your perspective plays a large part in how you view this pic.
To me the woman looks to be from one of the Balkan countries the man on the other hand looks Egyptian or Iraqi and the woman with the bags has a headscarf on, so who knows where… But the soldier definitely is not aiming at the kid, though he could still be a douche bag…
looks to me he may be lowering the weapon as to not have the muzzle cross over a civ…. only a guess though
Other then for slugs, why in the world is there a scope on a shot gun?
That’s…NOT a shotgun. It has a standard rifle curved ammunition magazine.
I looked at it again, I missed the magazine. It kind of blends in with the uniform.
Camouflage FTW?
FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP …
Gun ID fail…
Have you changed your mind on being my friend or not?
Pardon?
I asked if you wanted to be my friend! You said no before, and I’m asking if you changed your mind.
Also I am very impressed over your gun knowledge and what body position semantics are important in this picture. It makes breathe easier the intelligence of everyone in this conversation. You and n8 are really impressing me.
Heh, do you believe me now that I’m an independent who just happens to be aligned with Obama?
I think so, I support agreeing you to a surprising amount. You sir are well informed on this issue.
See I can be nice!
The ‘friend’ thing is a non-issue. I’m an ass to people who are being asses and polite to them when they’re not.
and I think the phrase is ‘forensic analysis’ rather than semantics on the over all picture…
We’ve now had the ‘Shopped’ call below…
Damn, and I had fourth comment in the ’shop pool. There goes another hard earned twenty bucks.
Yeah I was struggling with picking the right word for it.
…because men in full uniforms with guns raised, in front of people being forced from their homes, you don’t know, they might be nice people and stuff, pointing their rifles on the ground or something. Guy. He’s lowering his weapon. Those people scared for their lives and leaving their homes with whatever they can carry, they’re just whiners. You don’t know.
rolleyes.
FWIW, it looks like selector is set to safe. Also, although the gun is pointed somewhat away from the camera, as others have mentioned it doesn’t seem turned far enough to be pointing at the child. To me the soldier really looks like he’s examining his gun for whatever reason and not looking at the people at all. I can’t tell if the bolt catch is popped out which would allow him to check the chamber and magazine. I know it’s overanalysis and I don’t mind calling a douchebag a douchebag but there doesn’t seem to be enough here to merit it.
you’re right… I was looking at the wrong bit…
For those not familiar with the AR-15 and variants (and people like me, who’ve not handled one in 20 some years)
(excuse the bad ASCII representation)
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Fully auto
If the lever is vertical, then it’s Semi/single shot…
That gun is safe (The lever is immediately above the soldier’s knuckle)
It swallows my pictures!
<–())))) Safe
PK spat your “fully auto” picture below.
*sigh*
Everyone’s an art critic these days…
I know…
You try to educate the masses and that’s what you get!
And you think I’m stupid…..
Jk
Hey, if you saw the loads MY kid used to leave in diapers, you’d think they were WMD’s too!
It’s the green gunk that implies radioactivity…
()))))–> Fully Auto
So….how do you know they are being “forced from their homes” in this pic? Are they carrying signs? No…you don’t know. Maybe they voluntarily left their homes as refugees to escape the conflict, and this man is there to guard a long line of these people from the assholes-at-large who indiscriminately kill women, children, old people, dogs, mice, and anything else who is in the way and doesnt follow their particular brand of religion. His gun is pointed safely away and down, but at the ready to defend these peole he doesnt know with his own life if necessary.
But then again he may be a douche tryn to make the kid cry. Who knows? Just the guy with the gun and the guy takin the picture.
cheers
Quoting the master, Jon Stewart, “To be fair, nobody knows what that kid said first…”
OK, that’s funny…
you mean “the lord our savior,” part of the holy duo with Colbert, Jonstephen bless, perhaps expanding to a trinity with DL in the future (give him a chance)
Why is it that whenever there’s a popular figure on the Left, for whatever reason, Righties accuse the Lefties of investing that figure with divine status? How come we can’t just think somebody is cool? There always has to be some insinuation of messiah status. You’d think the wingnuts would have it figured out by now that the moonbats don’t particularly care for religious trappings.
I prefer to keep religion with D&D, that way my mythologies can keep in order while I run game.
Because they’re retarded… it’s the only joke they have…
wow, no love for the joking around. Thanks for telling me my politics, was against Bush and the war, gladly donated to, made calls for, and voted for Obama. But thanks for bitching out my joking around with my love of those two shows and telling me my politics.
You know, I was just joking, and you should probably calm down a little bit, I like them both two, but your defense makes for delicious awkwardness.
too*
In bed…
what’s awkward? I still think you’re retarded.
Why the harshness? I see no reason to go to personal insults. I think you’re a decent guy from my lurking, I’d prefer not to argue, and just randomly calling me retarded is annoying.
If you lurked enough, you would know that is his big thing. And yes, it can get annoying.
I wonder if people are more a pain when you’re pissed, or you just notice it more. That said thanks for looking out
Not a problem. ^_^
Calling it how I see it is my ‘big thing’…
however, since I hit add before I finished, if I misread you, then my unresevered apologies…
Calm down yourself, diva-boy. I was speaking in generalities about a common phenomenon, which you appeared to be embodying at the time. I wasn’t trying to make it personal, but you had to make it about you.
Ha ha I like this pic. Especially after dealing with some bratty kid who can’t behave in public.
Ha. ha…..
Oh yeah, threatening children (which, apparently, he isn’t doing) is just soooo funny…
Visits to Burger King leave me just the same…
or the mall or walmart
Clinton-Era photo. That kid is Elian Gonzalez.
Of course I know he’s not. The point is, quit’cher bitchin.
Of course I know he isn’t. The point is: similar picture + different president, mysteriously = different reaction. + Funny.
Despite the explanation, I still snickered.
Isn’t Elian Gonzalez about due for a reality show on VH1?
We can only hope.
For those who are fooled, this photo is a composite. Load it up in any viewer with zoom capabilities and look at the outline of the soldier, who is part of the original photo. Then, zoom in on the outlines of the man, woman and child and notice how pixellated the edges are, especially compared to the soldier. These elements were pasted into the original so nothing was harmed, indeed, nothing was even threatened in this photograph. The real douchebag is the author of this composite. And for those who keep calling the weapon an AR-15, it’s actually an M-16.