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Yo, Maliki, is it safe to come up now? Yes, George. He was only wearing two shoes.

(George Bush, Nuri al-Maliki)

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  1. n8 says:

    I’d ask how it came to this, that the President of the United States of America was getting shoes thrown at him, but I’ve had a ringside seat for the whole sorry tale. That clown can’t be out of office soon enough.

  2. dissimilitude says:

    Ok, that actually cracked me up instead of just making me smile.

  3. Blarg says:

    Except for the fact that this caption is TOTALLY wrong. There’s no humor here at all, only a pathetic attempt to bash Bush. He dodged one and deflected the second; he did NOT hide behind the podium. Caption fail, fastfood.

  4. rhorho says:

    Despite many viewings, I haven’t noticed before now that Prime Minister al-Maliki is showing perfect posture and apparent composure at this point in the events.

  5. AtlasShrugged says:

    Just be glad it wasn’t underwear…

  6. Johnathan says:

    In fairness, if the man governed half as well as he ducked we’d have peace in the Middle East, an economy through the roof, and world hunger would be forgotten. If it was me giving that speech, I would have to explain to the American people why I was walking around with one (if not two) shoeprints on my face.

  7. Bud Tugly says:

    Really bad photoshopping in this feeble effort.

    • PiMan says:

      This picture never saw Paint, let alone Photoshop.

      • charro says:

        Oh god ugly, are you serious? Or just retarded?

        • PiMan says:

          Fine, I exaggerate a little. It had to go into some sort of image program to be saved. It also needed some sort of editing using the lolbuilder to put the speach bubbles.
          .
          But it is not photoshopped in the sense Bud Tugly was referring to though. Bush really did duck. And that guy really was standing right next to him.
          Take away the speech bubbles and everything is as it really was.

          • Interloper says:

            *taps PiMan on the shoulder and whispers in ear* Hey Pi, I’m pretty sure that /\ comment was directed at Bud Tugly’s suggestion, not at your response.

        • OhMyGoodness says:

          Golly, there’s options. Charro, do you want to write the multiple choice exam questios for our theological college?

  8. brmbug says:

    I don’t see what the big fuss is. He just wanted to give Shrub a boot to the head for Christmas. (It’s the gift that keeps on giving)

    • rhorho says:

      It’s a pity Shrub didn’t have the grace to accept the gift in the spirit in which it was offered…

      • froofrou says:

        Accepting in the spirit in which it was offered would have included grabbing it in midair, flinging it back, and then siccing the SS on the guy. That would have been ok.

        • OhMyGoodness says:

          Kinda what happened. I believe that the shoe-walloper has a busted nose, a broken arm and cracked ribs. Managed to fall down stairs to the interview room?

          • Uncle Fester says:

            Ah, Democracy at it’s finest. There again, America isn’t much better…
            Google up Dymond Milburn, Galveston, Texas, to see how many police it takes to arrest a 12 year old in her garden breaking no law…

            • Kuromisa says:

              Oh wow. That’s reprehensible. What in the world were those officers thinking? I don’t understand people.

              • Uncle Fester says:

                Well, it goes to trial again in Feb 09… since it’s TX she won’t be out before she’s 30…

                • Kuromisa says:

                  Is she still in custody, then? The article I found was ambiguous on that count.
                  -
                  By the way, there’s a link in my name to an article that I think you’ll like. It was linked on the one about Dymond Milburn.

                  • Uncle Fester says:

                    Yes, I’ve seen that… raised a small smile.

                  • Uncle Fester says:

                    And I since no one in the states seems to cover the case, it’s hard to say.

                    • Kuromisa says:

                      Yeah, I noticed that. It was on the blogs more than anything else when I Googled it. Funny, one would think this would be a bigger story.

                      • Uncle Fester says:

                        Not in this day and age… and it’s TX… I think it’s probably BAU.

                        • Wow… That was rather crazy to read. Nice to know that the cops can protect us from little 12 year old tarts. We all know how dangerous they are. They have cooties after all. *sigh*

                        • ck says:

                          Cops were lucky the dad didn’t pull out a gun and shoot them, seeing that they were in plain clothes and pushing his daughter into an unmarked van. You can be damn sure lots of parents would retaliate if they thought their child was being kidnapped for rape or worse.

                        • Ya, I can see that happening.

                        • rhorho says:

                          In froo’s absence, I feel the need to paraphrase her infamousline: Don’t come to Texas, and look like you might have been thinking about committing a crime.

                        • OhMyGoodness says:

                          I was wondering where froo was – her input into Texas Justice is always legendary and sometimes volcanic. Love to watch…

                        • Interloper says:

                          I hate my state sometimes. In fact, I often refer to it as the Great Mistake of Texas. Ugh.

                        • froofrou says:

                          Then leave.

                        • Or they could improve?

                        • froofrou says:

                          Every state has its problems. Its the people who pick on one state (not just Texas, mind you) that irritate me. I can probably find you horrible travesties of justice in every state in the union, and probably with greater frequency than what happens in Texas with a Google search. Just look at California for the number of school shootings……but you only hear about it if it’s a ‘hick’ state with guns all over the place.
                          -
                          *sigh*
                          -
                          Flame Texas all you want. I’m done defending it. If you haven’t understood the points by now, you never will.

                        • Um, my actual problem with Texas is the high rate of arrested innocent people. Personally, I moved around a lot when I was kid so I find it rather ridiculous to pick one state over the other. Then again I find nationalism in general to be rather odd let alone state-ism. I was born a citizen, wasn’t like I looked for it or asked for it but am content to stay a citizen. Having pride in something I am because of random chance always seemed rather silly and picking one state as better than another in the same country just seems too divisive.

                          And that went longer than I intended.

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          In froo’s absence, I feel the need to paraphrase her infamousline: Don’t come to Texas, and look like you might have been thinking about committing a crime.

                          but she’s so socially retarded as to be all but a monster.

                        • PKlolz says:

                          TX sucks, nothing new there.

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          Then leave.

                          Why should she leave? You show no signs of trying to remove yourself from the gene pool… and that would be a public service.

                        • OhMyGoodness says:

                          Good morning, froofrou. Sorry – actually wasn’t intending a flameburger there, but I do admire your impassioned defence. I’m just having breakfast and firing up the laptop. *Idly wonders what foods make great breakfasts and dinners* What IS the time over in your woods?

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          Rho, with due respect… go boil your head

                          The woman may have fooled you… don’t try to tell me what I think.

                        • froofrou says:

                          @DWN: I take pride in living here not because it was an accident of birth, but because I moved here at a young age. I would take pride were I to still live in Kentucky, or in Illinois, or California, or Oregon, or any other state of the Union. There is nothing wrong with being happy about where you live, respecting the culture, the history of the state (whichever state that may be), or anything else. I love Waco because that is where I live now. I hate Lufkin because it sucks, and I don’t live there anymore. It’s more a feeling of pride for where I am and what I’m doing than any feeling of greatness just because it’s Texas. I’m just tired of people who don’t know better and think that everyone from Texas rides horses to the one room school where they study how to load their six shooters and russlte up some cattle are slagging a state they know nothing about.

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          and get off on the body count… gotta love it…

                        • I didn’t know she was horning in on your gig, there Fester…

                        • ck says:

                          *popcorn*

                        • *gets some gummi worms and some Twizzlers and sits with ck* So what are we watching?

                        • froofrou says:

                          OOooh, Twizzlers! My weakness! *poik* Thanks, DWN! *munches Twizzler*

                        • *smirks* Glad to help. *noms some gummi worms*

                        • ck says:

                          btw, found some pretty epic remix gifs of the shoe toss, click my name!

                          I like the pokemon ball, heh.

                        • froofrou says:

                          I liked the ‘MISS! GAME OVER’ one, lol.

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          After a while, you lose the taste for the death… unless you live in TX and are a right wing nutjob… then it’s an aperitif…

                        • Now you’re just phoning it in Fester…

                        • froofrou says:

                          Aperitif: Set of dentures.

                        • rhorho says:

                          @UF: I apologize for my failed attempt at levity up there.

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          Rho… np xx

                          DWN… yes, it’s that time of the year. me, a bottle of Jamesonss and absent friends.

                          Frou: if material like that didn’t kill Vaudeville, then it keeps it from coming back…

                        • dissimilitude says:

                          Having pride in something I am because of random chance always seemed rather silly

                          @DWN: Once again, you have hit on one of those topics where normal people think I’m nuts! Because the word “pride” connotates a sense of
                          achievement through some type of effort, it really bugs me when used for things that are an aspect of random chance or genetics. Or as I’ve said before, you can be “proud to be an American” if you were born somewhere else, worked your ass off and saved to come here, and then passed the citizenship test. If, like me (and 99% of the people who say that) you were born here, then what did you DO? Hell, I’m lucky to be an American, I’m pleased…but I’m not proud of it because I didn’t DO anything.

                          I DO get what froo’s saying, and I agree, but I just don’t think “pride is the right word.

                      • AtlasShrugged says:

                        I lived in Galveston for four years- that was 3 and a half too long. It’s the rape capitol of Texas and the crime is horrendous. And yes, the cops are clowns there. But a friend of mine was walking with her husband and baby in their neighborhood and were assaulted by a group of 12 year olds who beat her husband unconcious. They couldn’t figure out later how they were identified- by his wife, who was their middle school teacher !!! Of course they claimed that they were arrested because they were black. And one of them was 6 foot tall and 185 lbs !!!!

          • ema says:

            It was a stupid thing to do and he’s lucky he’s not dead.

            • Uncle Fester says:

              You’d have enjoyed that…

              • ema says:

                Right, just as much as you enjoy all the “kill the troll” talk… I’ve never seen such violent talk in all my life aimed at some poor dope who yells first or something stupid. Peaceniks, right…

                • Uncle Fester says:

                  I don’t beleive I’ve called for anyone’s death… their removal from the gene pool, but that’s no more than I’ve already done with myself.

                  But I like the cut of your straw man… You seem to get off on the death penalty, where real people do die and then equate it to ‘go die in a cold place alone’ comments from idiots. I’d say there some serious reality disjoit problems if you acutally beleive they’re the same.

                  But now, I’m teaching a pig to sing…

                  • ema says:

                    My point is it’s all talk, I could never shoot anyone anymore than
                    you could ram a troll stick up someones ass or skin them alive
                    with a barb wire covered stick. It’s just words on a screen…

                    • AtlasShrugged says:

                      But I would kill some one attacking my daughter with no qualms whatsoever…

                    • Uncle Fester says:

                      Oh, I know most here wouldn’t have the balls to throw the switch if they had the chance… however, there are those who seem to think it’s great that they can vote that into law and keep it there, despite the fact they think they couldn’t do it.

                      Do I think I could torture someone to death if I thought I had ‘permission’? Most people can… Google up Milgram or click my name.

                      It’s easy enough to spot the people who’d do it here… they tend to be loudly patriotic to the point that two wrongs do make a right, that might makes right, and the introspection of a house brick.

            • slan agat says:

              You want to know what’s stupid? You want to know who’s lucky he’s not dead?

              In 1945, we put Japanese officers on trial for waterboarding our troops. And when we found them guilty, we hanged them, ema. We hanged them by the neck until dead, do you understand that?

              Dick Cheney and George Bush have confessed before the nation to hanging offenses. And they still breathe.

              That’s what’s stupid. That’s who’s lucky he’s not dead.

              • Seth says:

                Nicely put.

              • rhorho says:

                *standing ovation*

              • Tessie says:

                *modestly hands slan a bag of chocolate money*

              • Hell Hath No Fury says:

                wow. very well articulated, and fair. Odd to see that here.

              • Uncle Fester says:

                About the only Japs the US hung…

              • ema says:

                Yea, and back in 1945 if anyone threw a shoe at a US president or equivalent they would have been shot and no one would have blinked. Times have changed haven’t they, slanagat? I guess now it’s anything goes…

                • froofrou says:

                  It is if you’re from a certain party, a certain ethnic group, or a certain religeon. It’s all perspective, I guess.
                  -

                  • ema says:

                    I don’t think GWB is all that great, but he is still the US president and should be respected at least for what he stands for, not who he is.

                    • rhorho says:

                      Are you saying, “Respect the uniform, if not the man,” or “Respect the office, if not the officer?”
                      -
                      Otherwise, respecting GWB for “what he stands for” is an impossibility to me.

                    • froofrou says:

                      DING DING DING. Give the lady a banana! Even if you hate the person, you must respect the position that they hold. It’s common courtesy, no matter who the person is. I personally can’t stand, say, Kim Jung Ill. But he is the leader of a country and must be afforded the respect due him, even as a communist dictator. Obama will be given my respect as President, even before I have a chanve to completely disagree with everything he ever does. I will respect the position even then, even if I don’t respect the man.
                      -
                      Ema, I think you have hit on a major flaw in society today. We aren’t taught common courtesy and common grace. And no one knows what respect is anymore.

                      • rhorho says:

                        I’m really clear on the difference between the two, but wasn’t clear on the way ema was expressing the concept. I’m good at respecting offices, but that has nothing to do with the issue at all. I’m still confused as to why it was brought up, anyway. “Respect the office” sounds a whole lot like a mother saying “because I said so, that’s why.”

                        • rhorho says:

                          Oops! *grabs banana* Thanks!

                        • froofrou says:

                          Respect the office because it is a high office worthy of respect. We have had MANY leaders in the past who don’t, as men, deserve respect, but they are given it because of the title they hold. For example: You don’t salute the person wearing the Silver Star, you salute the medal itself (I think that’s right…….it’s what my brother was telling me)

                        • rhorho says:

                          We the People can follow decorum AND keep a watchful eye, at the same time. It’s our duty, in fact.

                        • froofrou says:

                          And our duty to castigate those who would bring dishonor on the President. Not to wish they had better aim.

                        • rhorho says:

                          If we were invaded by a foreign country erroneously, under similar misguided circumstances, where would be the harm if one of us found a way to express our collective resentment symbolically, in a way that produced no permanent harm? This country has been devastated.
                          Have you no empathy?

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          No…

                          And the office has no ‘cosmic’ significance, and is only as good as the man who fills it.

                          With the Silver Star, like the VC you’re saluting the act that won them it.

                          Bush did nothing to get the role, other than get a load of old money to pay for it and bunch of retards to vote on something he lied about to get the office in the first place. Last US president that was worth respect was Washington.

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          Addendum –

                          To compare being President with winning any award for bravery above and beyond the call of duty is to cheapen something that does have honour with something as tawdry as politics.

                          If it were a real comparison, you may as well give medals for most screws in spring break or pole dancing.

                        • OhMyGoodness says:

                          That was Clinton, right? Sure I caught the award ceremony…

                        • ema says:

                          It’s not even the office, he is a figure head for the entire
                          country and what it stands for, liberty, justice, etc… We
                          don’t always live up to our ideals like I said before, but
                          they are worthy ideals and deserving of our respect.

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          Bollocks, and you know it…

                        • ema says:

                          Definitely not.

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          OK, you don’t know it, but it doesn’t make it any more ‘true’

                          and OMG

                          That was Clinton, right? Sure I caught the award ceremony…

                          It was one of the best things Slick Willie ever did…

                  • rhorho says:

                    It also doesn’t hurt if you win the war…

                • rhorho says:

                  Back in 1912, a crazy guy named John Schrank attempted to assassinate President Teddy Roosevelt. [link] He successfully shot the President, in fact. Schrank was not shot, even before 1945, so that part of your argument isn’t holding up. “Changing times” wouldn’t account for water boarding being okay today, though it was a hanging offense then. As far as “now it’s anything goes,” I agree that, for the moment, the current administration is playing quite fast and loose with the rules.

                  • froofrou says:

                    But what exactly happened to Schrank? I doubt he was given the hero’s welcome that the shoe thrower has been given. Or the type of sympathy for the roughing up he received. AND I’m 100% positive that he wasn’t lauded and told that he should have been a better shot.

                    • rhorho says:

                      Again, the link is behind my name.

                      • froofrou says:

                        You’re doing my work for me :o )
                        -
                        “While millions of Americans wanted him executed, Schrank lived on in the Central State Mental Hospital”
                        -
                        Millions wanted this guy killed. The shoe-thrower has been lauded in the streets and only castigated for having poor aim. What if the worst had happened and he had a gun? Would they have thrown a ticker tape parade?

                        • rhorho says:

                          You’re fronting and you know it. FACTS, Woman! Millions of Americans would have laughed at GWB getting hit with a shoe, and you go all crazy with “what if” questions. Seriously inane.

                        • froofrou says:

                          Not so. Put Obama, Clinton (either one), or even Reagan in the same position as Bush, and tell me that people wouldn’t be PISSED and want the guy dead.

                        • rhorho says:

                          Way to pull facts out of context, too. Clever, until anyone with sense can see how carefully you tweezed comments from the source, still linked behind my name. For those in a hurry, the would-be assassin thought the ghost of William McKinley told him to shoot Roosevelt. The actual POINT being that, despite public sentiment, he wasn’t shot, per ema’s claim, which remains refuted.

                        • ema says:

                          Article doesn’t say, but I doubt it was in as close quarters as the shoe incident. Probably didn’t have as well trained and armed secret service agents as well.
                          They also don’t say how he was apprehended or if he was shot at.

                        • froofrou says:

                          You’re focusing on the exaggeration to the detriment of the point again.

                        • rhorho says:

                          Ema, I don’t believe anyone attempted to shoot Schrank. Lincoln established the USSS in 1865, but mainly to handle trouble with counterfeiting. Of course whatever protection Roosevelt had was less skilled than the forces of today. I think it’s time for you to concede the point.
                          If not, Slan can take up the matter with you later, because both froo and I are intruders, albeit delightful ones.

                        • rhorho says:

                          Froo, I didn’t focus on the exaggeration. I corrected your selective editing. I didn’t harm the point. A quick reread will show that I actually redirected *back to* the point.

                        • ema says:

                          “Ema, I don’t believe anyone attempted to shoot Schrank.”
                          Once again, you don’t know that anymore than I do. I am
                          willing to be that if he had been in range of the secret
                          service or whatever they had in 1912 he would have been
                          shot at.

                        • rhorho says:

                          Ema, you’ve lost the argument.
                          Deal.

                      • rhorho says:

                        Oh, and no link, but George W. ain’t no Teddy Roosevelt.

                        • froofrou says:

                          I’m not even implying that. But the fact is, an overt move was made toward the president of the United States, and the guy who made the move is viewed as a hero. Whether you agree with or even like GWB, he IS the President and deserves the respect of the title.

                        • rhorho says:

                          The point is moot. I cannot control whether a shoe hits the president or not. I’m not holding the guy up as a hero, so that’s silly. I can snicker, publicly, at the thought, because I don’t live in a totalitarian state. Are you the only Republican in the U.S. who didn’t snicker at the Lewinsky stuff? It’s the same with this, but no blue dress or cigar. If we had known each other then, and I had said “respect the office,” etc., you would have laughed harder still.

                        • froofrou says:

                          I’m being honest here (though I know you probably won’t believe me), I snickered behind my hand at the fact that it was lampooned, but I thought the crap surrounding the president at the time of the Lewinski thing was stupid, and a travesty. It shouldn’t have happened. It should have been handled behind close doors.
                          -
                          The fact that Clinton brought that on himself is beside the point. The public humiliation should never have happened to a President of the United States.

                        • ema says:

                          Very well said!

                        • rhorho says:

                          Just to shock and awe you, let me tell you my favorite Clinton joke: Why does Bill Clinton wear wool underwear? To keep his ankles warm.
                          If I can laugh, I am free.

                        • froofrou says:

                          I would have so much respect for Clinton the man had he simply came out and said ‘Yeah, I f*cked her. I f*cked her on the Oval Office desk. Twice. With a cigar and the Presidential Writing Pen. And? What’s your point? I wasn’t on the clock at the time, and what I do in my private life is between me and my pissed off harpy of a wife. Next question.”
                          -
                          It would have saved us the trouble of impeachment for perjury, and it would have elevated him in a lot of eyes. Instead, he had to go and lie about it………*sigh*
                          -
                          Anyway, ’tis a good joke. I lol’d :o )

                        • rhorho says:

                          I’m glad you lol’d. :o )
                          I agree with your first paragraph, as do most, I’ll guess. As for the seriousness of Bush’s offenses or whether he will see prosecution, we’ll have to save for another day.
                          Now get me another banana, before I get my cranky on!
                          *passes ema and froo a bowl of mixed white and red
                          grapes*

                        • froofrou says:

                          *munches on grapes*
                          -
                          *gives Rho and Ema a hug each*
                          -
                          I’m glad that while we may violently disagree with each other, we can still come back at the end of the day and not hate each other :o )
                          -
                          Even though you’re WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!!! And your level of WRONGNESS will never be exceeded in this or any other conceivable lifetime!!!!!!!!!!!!
                          -
                          :o )

                        • rhorho says:

                          *hugs froo and ema*
                          In your own way, you’ve warmed me up for Christmas
                          with the family…except for the football arguments
                          and various other fun theatrics. I’m just glad half of
                          them pretend they don’t drink…
                          *munches grapes*

                        • ema says:

                          I had to go to sleep and missed the hugs and grapes… ;(
                          Hugs back to you too as well!

                        • ema says:

                          too = two

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          Can anyone show me where there was dancing in the streets in the US?

                          In Iraq, I don’t blame them… he’s not their president, but that of an occupying power, and despite the Iaqi Govt owing some serious ass kissing to GWB, the people don’t.

                        • rhorho says:

                          “Can anyone show me where there was
                          dancing in the streets in the US?”
                          -
                          A few people giggled, but were promptly
                          executed. As you know, we are nothing
                          without our blessed dignity.

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          Doubtless by riot armour clad police, fresh from kicking 12 year olds in their endless war on crime…

                        • rhorho says:

                          She was formidable, in her own back yard. She knew where all the dog poos were…

                  • OhMyGoodness says:

                    Interesting link – thanks for that.
                    Well, there’s a thing. Teddy must have ben made out of old boot-sole leather. I’ve heard the odd comment refer to his legendary toughness, but to give a ninety-minute speech after being shot…? I guess he had ‘em, they were brass and they clanged deply in the wind.

                    • rhorho says:

                      My granddad was a Teddy Roosevelt fan, and I like to remember the stories he told his sleepless granddaughter. It wasn’t until I was much older that I realized he was *trying* to get me to sleep…

                  • ema says:

                    I believe the Japanese that were hung were convicted of more than water
                    boarding of prisoners, I can’t find a source, would like a link if anyone has it.

                    • ema says:

                      Also, I doubt if they were trying to get information that would save civilian populations from terrorist attacks but strategical information that would give then an advantage against us in the war that they themselves started.

                      • rhorho says:

                        Sounds like you’re about to top the “ends justifies the means” hill. Also, I don’t think you want to hear about the efficacy of torture.

                        • ema says:

                          “Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded while being interrogated by the CIA. According to the Bush administration, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed divulged information of tremendous value during his detention. He is said to have helped point the way to the capture of Riduan Isamuddin (AKA Hambali), the Indonesian terrorist responsible for the 2002 bombings of night clubs in Bali. According to the Bush administration, he also provided information on an Al Qaeda leader in England.[84]” — It’s just from Wiki – If it works in only a few cases and saves innocent civilians from being attacked it’s worth it.

                        • rhorho says:

                          From another source, 90% of the intelligence from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was pure crap. (Okay, I’m paraphrasing.)
                          If the world knows we torture, what’s to stop them from torturing our personnel?

                        • rhorho says:

                          Link under my name for:
                          “Five Myths about Torture and Truth”

                        • froofrou says:

                          There is a story (can’t vouch for the sources) that my brother tells of a prisoner taken during the first Gulf War. The prisoner was interrogated to the greatest of our abilities and still treated with the respect afforded him by the Geneva convention. We didn’t get jack squat from him. So, they blindfolded the guy, told him he was out of our hands, put him on a plane, and flew him around (blindfolded) for a few hours. When they got him off the plane he was still in the same camp that he had come from, but didn’t know it. They took him to another part of the camp, still blindfolded, into a small room and put him on a chair. They removed the blindfold, and showed him his new captors. Saudi soldiers who were our allies and who had no compunctions about torture. The poor guy thought he had been sent to a Saudi internment camp (because we didn’t tell him any different, that was the point), and sang like a fricking canary.
                          -
                          If they know we torture, they will talk. Double edged sword in my opinion.

                        • rhorho says:

                          You just said the guy sang like a canary, out of being tricked, not tortured. Did you read the article? Also, he didn’t know *we* torture. He thought he was about to be tortured by Saudi soldiers. You haven’t touched on the reciprocity point. I’ll take that as a concession.

                        • froofrou says:

                          You’re missing the point. If we are known as a country that doesn’t torture or repay treatment in kind, then we don’t get jack squat from prisoners. The guy sang because he had been handed over (so he thought) to a nation that would torture the crap out of him until they got what they wanted. We didn’t get sh*t because he viewed us as a weak country. He thought there WOULD be torture, so the threat of it worked as well as actual torture would have (in this case.)
                          -
                          It’s not a concession. You missed the point :o )

                        • rhorho says:

                          No, you missed the point, twice now: RECIPROCITY.
                          Have you read the article about the five myths about torture? I think you’ll see why efficacy is not on your side. (Hint: Torture doesn’t even work!)

                        • ema says:

                          “If the world knows we torture, what’s to stop them from torturing our personnel?”
                          The kind of enemy we are dealing with now as absolutely no problem with torturing (beheading videos anyone?) no matter what we do to them. It would make absolutely no difference if we water board them or put them up at the Ritz. I’m continually surprised that no one understands that.

                        • ema says:

                          Oh, and the Washington Post is no better than a right wing blog in my opinion.

                        • rhorho says:

                          Your eye-for-an-eye scenario is short sighted, at best. We can’t claim high moral ground, then act against the Geneva conventions. There are other countries in the world besides the ones we currently face. Bash the Post all you want, but you can’t refute the truth of the article. Torture doesn’t work. Google “torture efficacy,” and pick any valid source you want. The facts are known. Incidentally, beheading is no picnic to watch, but is relatively humane.

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          Well, Ema just double tapped the ‘moral high ground’ argument of US hegemony.

                        • ema says:

                          “The facts are known. Incidentally, beheading is no picnic to watch, but is relatively humane.” — WTF!!???

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          Depends on the beheading… Done fast with a sharp implement and the person knows very little of their end ,due to brain consussion caused by
                          hydrostatic shock, followed by a rapid loss of blood pressure.

                          So, Guillotine, headsman’s axe, beheading sword… last thing you hear is a swish

                          Hacking it off with something blunt is a lot nastier and pretty damned painful, or at least they squawk a lot when you start.

                        • ema says:

                          How about they are chanting to Allah and using a dull knife
                          while videotaping the whole thing so they can send a copy
                          to your family? Real nice… Real humane. Those tapes were
                          used as propaganda for their cause, they were sent around
                          via cell phones and the internet, truly sickening.

                        • slan agat says:

                          You know what? I’m done with you people.

                          I was going to wade into this argument, but no. Just fscking no. I’m not going to lower myself to argue with people who think TORTURE is a good, morally defensible idea. Ever. For anyone.

                          You can be all huggy and kissy-face with rhorho all you want, but if you’re going to argue in favor of torture, you’re not fscking human and not worht my time.

                        • ema says:

                          Great, I don’t want to argue with anyone who wants to defend our enemies no matter how they treat your fellow citizens.

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          Ah, there speaks a true petty assed princess who’s never really had to deal with real horror…

                          Believe me, I don’t think there are many here who’ve lived a bit who really think you’re much more use than being swatted from time to time…

                          Shame Slag isn’t used to dealing with monsters and calling them out on it.

                        • ema says:

                          I see, so the beheaders aren’t monsters, they are humane, but I am… Makes
                          a lot of sense… You are nuts.

                        • ema says:

                          Since pk won’t let me post the damn link, google this ‘Women’s rights activist beheaded in Iraq’ for the latest on your humane friends.

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          Actually no, I know the men who hacked that guy’s head off were monsters. However, they don’t pretend to be much else. They live in a Hell of their own making, and, based on what I know of the ones they’ve caught, died pretty painful, nasty deaths (which should gladden your heart no end)

                          And they’re no friends of mine, but they seem to be brothers of your hate filled heart, so live it up… Freddie had it about right, and if I remember the Gospels you so like, didn’t Jesus say something about a sin being committed in the heart is still a sin? I’m paraphrasing, since it was about adultery…

                          But it’s good to see Milgram still is proved right…

                        • rhorho says:

                          Humane? Yes, compared to water boarding or any other of the ghastly assortment of tortures you advocate.
                          Your bloodlust by proxy is sickening.

                        • ema says:

                          Bloodlust? No one bleeds from water boarding.

                        • ema says:

                          “However, they don’t pretend to be much else. ” – so
                          the good men and women that defend us against monsters
                          like these are just as bad? That’s completely insane.

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          No… people who torture are monsters. Period.
                          There is no justification for it, there is no ‘moral high ground’… just people with permission to check their humanity at the door and get messy.

                          ATM, all I see from you and your kind is the type of person who’d not only be able to do the Milgram experiment with no qualms, but enjoy it.

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          Addendum – and the fact you can’t see that makes you insane, in my book.

                          A war crime is a war crime, no matter who did it.
                          Mai Li, I assume, was just ‘good men’ doing their job in your books and Abu Ghraib a job well done.

                          I think Rho’s ‘blood lust by proxy’ is a good assessment.

                          And if you water board someone right, you can rupture their ear drums. They bleed then…

                        • ema says:

                          Like I said before, if it saves innocent lives, it is worth it.
                          I don’t enjoy the fact that innocent hard working people
                          share the planet with killers and thugs, but it is a reality. I’m
                          pretty sure I wouldn’t be able to do it myself, but I’m glad
                          there are those tough enough to defend weaklings like me.

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          Oh, I’m pretty certain you could. Did you google Milgram?

                          And you completely dodged the issue so I’ll ask again

                          “Mai Li, I assume, was just ‘good men’ doing their job in your books and Abu Ghraib a job well done?”

                          The protecting innocent lives canard is just that… smokescreening, self serving nonsense so you can sleep nights. So, when they do it to us t’s a crime against humanity, when we do it to them it’s retribution and saves lives… yeah, right… you raise kids with that morality, then claim to be a Christian… ROFL! At least you stand up as say ‘This is ok by me,’ which is more than some do… but evil is evil and I’m afraid, you’re simply evil. It’s moments like this I wish I believed in what you do… then I could save you a good seat in Hell…

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          and pleading ‘weakness’ rings pretty empty… since when was Iraq defending you from anything except a high price for gasoline?

                        • rhorho says:

                          Obviously, despite being presented with valid proofs, you ignore the chance to learn.

                        • rhorho says:

                          above @Ema

                        • ema says:

                          So in your opinion, the world is all nice and lovely and there
                          is not one reason for anyone to protect anyone else from
                          ugliness out there? There is no good and no bad, everyone
                          just fend for yourselves out there!! Again, you are insane.

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          And where, or bloodthirsty child, did I say that?

                          Bad is when you become what you set out to fight. But then, you’d not understand that, since you were always there, from the seem og it.

                          I ask again

                          Mai Li, I assume, was just ‘good men’ doing their job in your books and Abu Ghraib a job well done?

                          Care to address that one, thugling?

                        • ema says:

                          Were did we EVER behead anyone? Are any of the 3
                          AlQada terrorists that were water boarded dead from it?
                          We have not become what we are fighting against, I have
                          said it before, we ARE NOT PERFECT. I don’t know enough
                          about MaiLai and Abu Grahib was just, what putting panties
                          on some guys heads? How can you compare?!

                        • ema says:

                          Oh, and please stop calling me names like thugling or
                          bloodthirsty, it doesn’t intimidate me like I know you would
                          like to do, since you can’t get me to shut up in other way.

                        • rhorho says:

                          @Ema: You are advocating the “ugliness out there.” Torture doesn’t work, but you blindly advocate its continuance. You are not protecting anyone, and torture does not protect you. You refuse to read anything that unsettles your erroneous thought set on the topic. Your comments on this topic are dodgy and ignorant.

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          Answer the question… and if I could intimidate down the internet I’d be in politics…

                          and your ignorance isn’t my problem… However, my transliteration of Vietnamese was off. It was My Mai (pron Mee Lie) so maybe I confused you.
                          for your education, the wiki article is behind my name
                          and to characterise Abu Gharib as ‘putting panties on their head’ simply drives home the fact you really don’t understand what went on or you choose not to…

                          ‘Not perfect’… Feh!

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          @Rho… we’re dealing with a silly, blood lusting, child…

                          Her comments on Abu Gharib really just nails the coffin lid down

                        • ema says:

                          “orture doesn’t work, but you blindly advocate its continuance.”
                          But it did work, I gave you an example which you discarded
                          siting “another source”. Which source was that by the way?
                          Hugginton?

                        • ema says:

                          Huffington, dammit!!

                        • ema says:

                          Well, my mature Uncle Fester, suppose you tell me about
                          Abu Gharib? How horrible was it?

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          Why bother? You’d just sit and flick off to it…

                        • ema says:

                          hahahahahhahahaha!!! Kind of like you’re doing now?

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          I think only one of us has shown any arousal over the idea of torturing people…

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          To get the ‘just panties’ canard nailed down… Wiki behind my name for people with a conscience…

                        • ema says:

                          You are the only one that consistently brings up being
                          aroused, I think you protest to much, if you know what I
                          mean.

                        • ema says:

                          I know that Abu Gharib was not a shining point and I also
                          know that those responsible were tried and punished. There’s
                          the difference, I don’t equate the bad things that happened
                          at Abu Gharib with the whole of our military, the same with
                          MaiLi, it was not a shining point. But like I have said before
                          and of course I am ignored is WE ARE NOT PERFECT. But those
                          in charge have an obligation to protect us in any way they
                          can. They also make mistakes, we don’t live in a perfect
                          world but we do the best we can. That’s enough for me for today.

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          You’re mixing me up with Death Wurm… He’s taller and better looking than me…

                          As to you, you’re still the one with the boner over torturing people and not reading references… so, you’re really doing nothing much now other than proving my point….

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          ah the WE ARE NOT PERFECT defence after being handed her aarse over the panties comment… weak.. and very very stupid
                          You cite the beheadings as ’systemic’ then claim anything the US does wrong is an aberration. News flash – pot telling the kettle he’s a dusky fellow…
                          You get into the same pit, you’re no better… defend it, you’re no better.

                          you’ve thus far tried the ‘friend of terrorist/not a patriot’ defence, ‘not perfect’ defence, ‘ignorance’ defence… and really it’s all weak and or stupid.
                          Defending the indefensible… You can’t justify the activity, and if another country was doing it, then you’d be howling. Hypocrite.

                          and only the saps given the permission to do it got it in the neck, not the people who let them up the food chain… Usually get promotions, when their on the winning side…

                        • ema says:

                          Ok, we have to work with imperfection, but we still have to
                          protect innocent civilians. Our enemies don’t care about
                          protecting innocent life, they use innocent life to get what they
                          want.

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          So, that makes it all ok… I see.

                    • froofrou says:

                      We have a laundry list here: Mass killings, Human experiementation and biological warfare, use of chemical weapons, preventable famine, torture of POWs, cannibalism, forced labor, comfort women, and looting, to name what is listed in the article linked.
                      -
                      That’s EXACTLY what GWB was doing with his own hands *rolls eyes*

                      • ema says:

                        Yea, it’ a ridiculous comparison in my opinion.

                        • froofrou says:

                          But you’re a Conservative Republican, your opinion doesn’t matter. Dammit Ema, didn’t you get the memo!!!!

                        • ema says:

                          Well, actually I’m a conservative Democrat! ; ) But I still think our country is awesome and don’t like seeing our elected officials pelted with footwear in public! No matter how I might feel about him personally.

                        • froofrou says:

                          See, you were my hero before, but now you’re my UBERhero :o )

                        • ema says:

                          Awww! Little ol me? ;o)

                        • rhorho says:

                          That’s EXACTLY what GWB was doing with his own hands *rolls eyes*

                          So now a leader is only responsible for his own hands? Using that yardstick, we are wrong about Kim Jong Il.
                          As for the rest of the listed offenses, comparing sets of crimes against others doesn’t work if both sets of crimes are beyond the pale. For example, we don’t absolve Charles Manson because Jeffrey Dahmer was worse.

                        • froofrou says:

                          Look! It’s a missed point!!! There it goes, over there! Quick, catch it!!!! :o )
                          -
                          The rolling of eyes was a clear case of sarcasm, which was directed at the apples to oranges comparisons of GWB and Japanese war criminals.
                          -
                          And I’m not absolving anyone. Should we go back and get Lincoln for suspending habeus corpus during the Civil War? It will be up to whatever prosecutors want to try GWB to make their case, and I don’t see any lines forming for that. Mostly because I don’t think they can make a case that will stick.

                        • OhMyGoodness says:

                          Same reason why nobody was forming a massive line to prosecute Augusto Pinochet originally… seriously, time will tell on this one. I can’t see anybody prosecuting Bush for at least ten years. But if someone were to lay charges on Rumsfeld, I’d be surprised if many people leapt to his defence. If Rumsfeld is successfully prosecuted… whole new ballgame.

                        • rhorho says:

                          Nope, no missed point here. I kept the eye
                          roll in to keep that portion of your comment
                          whole, in context. (It’s fun, you should try
                          “in context” sometime.)
                          -
                          GWB/Cheney instituted torture as a matter
                          of policy, amidst other acts many consider
                          to rise to the level of war crimes. So did the
                          Japanese. Apples=Apples
                          -
                          Your apples and oranges is my Manson
                          and Dahmer. Different crimes, but crimes,
                          nonetheless, so that’s done.
                          -
                          Your comparison of the Civil War to the
                          current conflict in Iraq is ridiculous,
                          because it truly is comparing apples and
                          oranges–an accusation you made about
                          me in the same post, oddly enough.
                          I think we’re done here.

                        • rhorho says:

                          Sorry, OMG–none of my above post
                          was directed at you. I took a break
                          in the middle of writing, and you sneaked
                          one in on me, whipper snapper!

                        • OhMyGoodness says:

                          A thousand pardon, ma’am. One should always wait while a lady powders her nose (providing it’s not Courtney Love, I guess). Bet a large tub of Lindt 70% chocolate ice-cream that someone WILL have a crack at Rumsfeld?

                        • rhorho says:

                          @OMG: You make great food for thought.
                          If I were Bush’s attorney, I would totally
                          go for the “incompetent to stand trial”
                          angle. ;-)
                          As for Rumsfeld, wow. My think-box swims
                          in a sea of possibility there. Rumsfeld
                          would not go quietly, so much could be
                          gained from his proceedings to be used
                          against Bush and Cheney, like dominoes.
                          I’ve been thinking that nobody is likely to
                          be prosecuted because our national
                          attention is turned to our more immediate
                          economic crisis. It’s strange, but, as a
                          nation, it seems as though we would
                          rather forget than relive a nightmare.

                        • OhMyGoodness says:

                          Outsider’s perspective, and I’m quite prepared to be wrong about this… but I quietly wonder if the desire to forget Vietnam was half the problem in invading Iraq. Everyone was busy thinking Schwartzkopf, smart weapons and a quick six months.
                          If the lesson to be learned is that the commander-in-chief is forced to to accountability when it all goes horribly wrong, we might have truly learned.
                          Rumsfeld would be the single best place to start.
                          If Clinton could be taken through the wringer by Starr… oh, don’t tell me it can’t be done!

                        • rhorho says:

                          I’ve thought about Iraq more as “Daddy’s
                          unfinished business,” and, admittedly,
                          haven’t devoted much thought past that
                          knee-jerk idea. More thoughtful minds can
                          take on your Vietnam angle. It’s thought
                          provoking.
                          I felt “quagmire” all over this conflict from
                          the get-go. My grievance with Bush has
                          little to do with the progress of the war,
                          but more in the fact that it was wrong
                          in the first place.
                          The entire premise of the war is a series
                          of lies, nobody is safer than before, and
                          the only person I can name who isn’t
                          affected by the Wall Street calamity is
                          named Osama bin Laden. (Even I
                          thought he would be dead by now!)
                          I dearly wish we *only* had to worry
                          that the President has had illicit sex
                          in the Oval Office. *reminisces*

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          It made as much sense to invade Iraq as Operation Barbarossa did in WW2…

                        • ema says:

                          Here’s my opinion on why the focus on Iraq, they have oil and loads of it. If that supply was interuptted by nutcase terrorists like AlQuaeda who want to dominate the entire world it would have been devastating for the entire world economy. You see right now we all depend on oil for just about everything. And it’s NOT just this country, think of what would have happened in China or India who don’t have their own supplies. It would have been incredibly destabalizing, food supplies would have been affected world wide, people would freeze, businesses would fail. AlQeada doesn’t give a rats ass about the world economy, as a matter of fact it’s their goal to destroy it completely and plunge the world into another dark age. EVERYONE has a vested interested at this point in time in having the supply of oil uninterruped through out the world.

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          They have lots of oil. Hell of a reason…

                          Saddam loathed Al Qaida as much, if not more than, the NYFD. There was no ‘accord’. Thus, since the whole WMD argument was a lie, the whole AQ link was a lie, the war was probably about oil, but more likely just adventuring.
                          Weak reasoning from the Demorican as I’ve seen in the past 12 hours and there’s been some pretty weak stuff forth coming.

                          As to the rest… if you hadn’t noticed that’s already happening.

                        • ema says:

                          No it’s not, oil prices are below pre-Katrina prices…

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          For the moment… The part you missed; the world economy is bouncing along the bottom, food prices are rising, businesses are crashing and burning. , and unemployment is rising almost exponentially… they’re trying to save the free market economy by state funding of assholes who caused the problem inthe first place and industries that have really been dead since the 1990s and have only just noticed…

                          And, finally, Oil prices in the US bear little resemblance to global oil prices…
                          One has to love federal subsidy of petrol. Some of us don’t get that…

                        • ema says:

                          But we are hanging in there and positioning ourselves for a
                          recovery. Now imagine the world oil supply was in the hands
                          of thugs who decide when we can have some. No oil
                          unfortunately equals no economy and no food and heat.

                        • ema says:

                          That’s NO economy, not even a bad one.

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          OPEC are oil thugs. They always have been… Again real politic fail by Princess Ema.

                        • ema says:

                          OPEC wants money, AlQeda wants sharia law – who
                          would you rather deal with? Calling me names doesn’t help
                          your point any.

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          OPEC want power. The price rises have always been political…

                        • ema says:

                          So, you want sharia? Because you Europeans will probably
                          be under that real soon from what I hear.

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          Ah, another straw man.

                          Weak…

                        • rhorho says:

                          Besides being a slippery slope straw man,
                          her “So, you want sharia?” illustrates the
                          consequences of getting no information
                          apart from Fox News broadcasts. We are
                          attempting to teach a cat to crochet here.
                          I feel silly.

                      • Uncle Fester says:

                        Oddly enough, after the war the US govt traded no war crime trial for the experimentation and bioweapons data. Only Japanese who were tried and executed were low rankers who’d followed orders. The real nasties mostly died of old age, in bed, very wealthy….

                        • rhorho says:

                          Surely you can appreciate our Scapegoatism as Art effort, if only by virtue of quantity. We have Abu Ghraib and Valerie Plame Wilson, with Wall Street and war crimes in the offing. Perhaps the NEA should provide funding for set decoration at those trials…

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          They thought it was a small price to pay for the breaking strain of limbs in living subjects and weaponised anthrax…

                          This time the only big win is oil and Haliburton…

                        • rhorho says:

                          Exceeding efficiency in government WIN!
                          What’s good fur oil barons is good fur Amurka!

                  • Tessie says:

                    “John Schrank attempted to assassinate President Teddy Roosevelt. [link] He successfully shot the President, in fact.”
                    `
                    My mostest bestest favoritest part of the story is where TR basically shrugged off the bullet wound and went on to make a 90 minute speech as if nothing had happened.

    • brmbug says:

      Jesus. I make one little throw away comment with a reference to The Frantics and look what happens.

      • rhorho says:

        LMAO!! It doesn’t take much, does it? I’m famous for missing references, but think I’m in good company this time…

      • OhMyGoodness says:

        One fart on the right ski-slope… sit and watch as the avalanche takes out twelve chalets, the bottle-shop, a passing hedgehog, eight Toyotas, a yodelling class… and a partridge in a pear-tree.
        Good job!

  9. RiderLeangle says:

    This is something Bush has never done before, Lean to the Left

  10. Hell Hath No Fury says:

    I wonder if everyone would think it was hilarious and deserved and such if it were Obama getting a shoe thrown at him? Hmmmm, thought not, it’d be “off with his head!”

    • slan agat says:

      No, it’d be book him for misdemeanor assault, make him pay a fine and/or spend up to six months in jail. This was an act of civil disobedience that should be punished in proportion to the actual crime.

      Do not beat him.

      Do not lock him up for seven or eight years.

    • Jane St.Clair says:

      Nope, sorry. Shoes being thrown is always funny. Like a pie in the face.

    • Ham says:

      Yeah, because once you switch people, the context is TOTALLY identical. Obama, just like Bush, started a war on falsified intel, with no exit strategy. And he then turned around and authorized torture, secret prisons, end runs around habeus corpus and unlawful search and seizure. And while thousands of American troops gave their lives for his cronies’ oil war, sent into hot zones without proper equipment, Obama left the target country’s borders with two enemy states unmonitored so that thousands of terrorist could come in, killing more Americans and over 100k Iraqis.

      Totally identical scenarios you presented.

      • With a penis…

        DAMMIT CAPTAIN WOW!!! Now you have me doing this in other threads now.

        • slan agat says:

          Wait, I’m confused, did the terrorists kill Iraqis with a penis or did HHNF present scenarios with a penis? Or both? Do we have IEPs and PenisPoint presentations now?

          • We report, you decide.

          • froofrou says:

            I think HHNF HAS a penis, and just doesn’t want to admit it.

            • Hell Hath No Fury says:

              *checks pants* Um, yeah, big penis.
              http://www.myspace.com/hellhathnofury3

              • froofrou says:

                Hmmmm, back from licking your wounds, I see. However did you get away from your fan club of admirers down at the shipyard?

                • Hell Hath No Fury says:

                  snow day today
                  and some of my fan club people are making me want to whack them
                  calling me every five seconds
                  “do I have to come in? The roads are icy.” ITS 3 PM!!! YOU SHOULD HAVE CALLED AT 6:30 AM!!!! RAAAAAA okay, the end.

                • Hell Hath No Fury says:

                  oh, and I wasn’t licking my wounds, I took my fam to the cabin for some sledding to see how many mortal wounds we could surmount. Be happy, I knocked a tooth out and have to get a fake one bwahahahha *all I want for Christmas is my left canine…*

              • OhMyGoodness says:

                Wurl, in that case… if you do have a penis, I suggest you either put it back where it came from, bury it or throw it out of the car window. Boilermaker? Truly? Good Lord, I wasn’t aware that it was still a trade! Good work?

                • Hell Hath No Fury says:

                  Eh, good work, good money. Miserable work, some of the time, but really, comparison to many people, I’ve got it good, although they’ve had our lives on hold for months, telling us we’re going to Alaska to refurbish the old pipeline and build a new one *in the middle of winter-greaaaat*.

              • Uncle Fester says:

                Those Thai hospitals do one hell of a job!

          • OhMyGoodness says:

            Coming soon. PenisPoint Projector… (no doubt an iProduct, because nobody wants to think of PenisPoint and MicroSoft in the same sentence)

            • Hell Hath No Fury says:

              Well, I work for MicroSoft part-time, so I’ll bring this up at the next meeting. That’ll go over real well….lol

              • froofrou says:

                Ok, Rho, I think you have the official list. How many jobs and life experiences that neatly fit the situation are we up to now?

                • rhorho says:

                  I don’t know: My calculator ’sploded under the pressure.
                  Attention whores are tricky.

                • Uncle Fester says:

                  Last it was a navy yard…

                  • Hell Hath No Fury says:

                    I am a boilermaker’s instructor in the puget sound naval shipyard, sometimes subbing for the instructor at Bangor Nuc Sub base, closer to home. And part-time lowly Microsoft assistant who does hookups and tech troubleshooting at the capitol. That sucks. I’m thinking of quitting that to spend more time at the new shop, but in this weather, no one’s getting thier cars modded. Stinkin hondas

                    • Hell Hath No Fury says:

                      *replying to my own comment again* ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN FIND AN 8-TON TRUCK LIFT? Any help or websites would be awesome. I don’t trust this chincy little thing we have…too shaky, and I don’t want to thrill my mother-in-law by giving her a dead me for Christmas.

                • Hell Hath No Fury says:

                  985769085760958784567
                  give or take a few.
                  Currently have 3 jobs. Life experiences? Too many, make them stop!!!!

      • Hell Hath No Fury says:

        I was pointing to the people that think obama is the second coming of the Christ and Bush is a puppy-eater. And puppies don’t even taste good. Without BBQ sauce. I am not a Bush supporter, or an Obama lover, I am on the fence, and those metal pokey things are killing me.

        • OhMyGoodness says:

          You’re in quite the mood there, Uncle. You’ve given froo a lash, baiting up HHNF… umm, you want a Horlicks and Drambuie there? You’ll feel better!

          • OhMyGoodness says:

            Sorry, m’dear – that was supposed to go on the tail of a Fester comment. Don’t quite know what happened there…

          • Uncle Fester says:

            I have a low tolerance of idiots, zealots, Hypocrites and apologists…

            Today, it seems that, as Samuel Johnson pointed out, patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel… and it’s less ‘lack of patience’ and more ‘if you prod them they quickly show what they are, and can safely be mocked’

            • ema says:

              ooooooooooooo, where sooooooooooooooo scared!! ; )

              • ema says:

                where = we’re

                • Uncle Fester says:

                  Can’t even mock well… retard.

                  • ema says:

                    I’ve seen some pretty messed up posts from you from time to time that were barely readable, I will be sure to point them out to you from now on since you’re so nice.

                    • Uncle Fester says:

                      Please do, if it’ll make you feel better… it’s about all you’re capable of, since cogent argument is beyond you…

                    • Uncle Fester says:

                      and I’m not ‘nice’. I’ve never claimed to be ‘nice’. I don’t even pretend to be ‘nice’

                      It’s one of the biggest proofs to me that Rho, bless her, is no judge of character.

                      • ema says:

                        “bless her”? Sounds strange coming from you…

                      • rhorho says:

                        Your humility doesn’t fool me, but ‘nice’ try, anyway…

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          I’m a creature of ego, so the word ‘humility’ creates something of a disjoint for me. Not quite petit mal seizure, but certainly a slight flicker…

                          I’m deeply sarcastic, and relentless on the asses of people who represnt something I find appalling. If I was ‘nice’ I’d do the hug fests and agree to differ when confronted by people who are just idiots who shouldn’t be allowed to raise pigs, let alone children, and exhibit the sort of moral flexibility of Stalin.

                        • ema says:

                          You are defintely NOT humble, you have a grandiose opinion
                          of yourself and your positions. That’s why you won’t do the hug fests and agree to disagree. You are just too special for that aren’t you?

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          Pretty much accurate… but I don’t advocate war crimes, scum bucket.

                        • ema says:

                          Ok, I don’t either, water boarding to get info that will save
                          us another terrorist attack is not a war crime, crap bucket.

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          QED, if you do it, it’s not a war crime… tell me how you’re not a monster again…

                        • rhorho says:

                          @Ema: Water boarding never saved us from anything. You have done no reading. It shows.

                        • ema says:

                          I have done reading, just not the sanctioned reading you
                          have done. But I’ve always been rebellious.

                        • rhorho says:

                          I’m deeply sarcastic, and relentless on the asses of people who represnt something I find appalling. If I was ‘nice’ I’d do the hug fests and agree to differ when confronted by people who are just idiots who shouldn’t be allowed to raise pigs, let alone children, and exhibit the sort of moral flexibility of Stalin.

                          Translation: “I am admittedly sarcastic, but tenacious when seeking to correct appalling opinions. I do not wish to compromise my integrity by engaging in hug fests. I’m concerned about humanity, and I stand my ground with others who don’t share my concern.”
                          Unc, you have a fan in me. Deal.

                        • ema says:

                          concerned about humanity?! whoa… anyone that agrees
                          with you has you as a fan, big deal

                        • rhorho says:

                          @Ema: It would scare you to learn how much I read and listen. Unlike you, I actively seek information. I don’t like to be told what I think, so I don’t limit myself to one pov. Your refusal to read the Post article speaks volumes. You are the sanctioned one. If you ever find a way off the Rush Limbaugh reading list, you may find enlightenment. Until then, you may as well be a cardboard cut-out. I can write your lines for you as easily as a parrot can squawk them.

                        • ema says:

                          How do you know I didn’t read any of the articles you posted?
                          I don’t care much for RL, I do listen to Michael Medved and
                          read from his book list occasionally.

                        • rhorho says:

                          (In ema’s parlance) Yeah! Fester–what a joke! He thinks torturing people is wrong, can you believe it? How warped can you get? I mean, if you can drag a false confession out of someone, and get bad intelligence, you can still say it saves lives, right? Who cares what the rest of the world thinks of us? They’re not Americans!

                        • Uncle Fester says:

                          Parody win!

                        • ReasonOfAbortion says:

                          rhorho FTW!!!

    • OhMyGoodness says:

      You are, of course, correct to point out the inequity of humour generally. That’s the way humour runs. Mind you, if someone decided to give Barack a flying Nike, the word EPIC would have surfaced a lot more.
      One could always consider photoshopping the image of Obama throwing a snowball – have a size-9 TopSider ready for launching.

  11. ReasonOfAbortion says:

    That’s a big number for him to count!

  12. rhorho says:

    I’m sure you can appreciate the line, at least.
    I know you adore froo. Don’t be so proud: You’re amongst friends.


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