Ronnie The Pissed-Off Reindeer
Ronnie The Pissed-Off Reindeer
(Ronald Reagan)
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HURRA.
lame 1^.
Please tell me we aren’t going to get 300 comments again on how EVUL AND RONG it is to make fun of dead presidents…
I don’t know. I think we can laugh at Garfield being shot now… Lincoln is fair game too…
I dunno, we already make fun of the Kennedys. I’m all for making fun of Reagan. I don’t happen to believe he was all that in the first place though. His deregulations are contributing to the crisis we have now.
He wasn’t exactly backward with the HCUA either…
and then theres his flip flopping on civil rights
“I favor the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and it must be enforced at the point of a bayonet, if necessary.”
–Ronald Reagan, Los Angeles Times, October 20, 1965
“I would have voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964.”
–Ronald Reagan, Los Angeles Times, June 17, 1966
A real piece of work… but a politician so one really can’t expect much more of him.
Thom Hartmann plays a bit of audio from time to time of Ronnie speaking when he was still a pro-union liberal, advocating for national health care. He sounds intelligent and articulate in that clip, it’s very surreal.
There’s an odd popping sound after that sound cut plays. It’s not a defect on the recording; that’s my universe momentarily inverting.
For the record, I’m all in favor of making fun of dead presidents. It was a reference to the comments on “Zombie Reagan”.
Anybody got a good Rutherford Hayes joke?
I used to make all sorts of dead president jokes. Then they recovered against the Canadian dollar
It’s just TOO SOON.
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IT IS EVUL AND RONG TO MAKE FUN OF DEAD PRESIDENTS
…what? someone had to do it
What did Santa bring us? Cold War Victory, and 20 years of prosperity.
False prosperity. It made the wealthy look good for a while, but it was the beginning of the undoing of the common worker.
As well it should be. The wealthy contribute more to real economic growth, while the common worker only maintains the status quo (which as Ronald told us, is Latin for “the mess we’re in.”)
Um wow… Just wow.
Kind of hard to find a starting place on that one, eh?
Hahahaha, oh wait. You’re serious. Sorry, the only thing that contributes to real economic growth is, you know, making stuff people want. The rich don’t actually make stuff, they just take their cut from the real producers, the common worker. Only people who actually work at producing things ore services that other people want contribute to any kind of economic growth at all. The rich loan sharks only slow down real economic growth by demanding their cut for doing nothing more than ‘risking’ their money (like it’s a risk when the government will always bail you out (unless you support unions, of course)).
The common worker stands at his machine and pushes the same button all the time, creating only what a smarter, richer person had to invent. Common workers can (and should IMO) be replaced by machines. Genius cannot be.
A lot of geniuses were common workers. They are the ones who have to build and maintain the machine. It isn’t like it magically appears. Somebody has to build it. Somebody has to produce it. Somebody has to ship it. That would be the common worker, the same type of putz that invented it.
You can’t replace everyone. Some people are not cut out to be managers. It is foolish to think that everyone can be a CEO or even higher than a line worker. And THAT’S OK. You can streamline with machines, but taking jobs away just because you think that everyone can be an astronaut is silly.
If they could be replaced by machines, they would have been. Assuming common workers could be replaced, what would they do? Just lay down and die? Then who would buy the things the machines make?
And, in my industry, machines can’t do NEARLY as well as people at the job we need done. You can mechanically debone a chicken (different than what I described before), but you lose a lot of yield versus when you teach a person to do it the right way. It would be different if every chicken were the same size and machines could be adjusted, but we haven’t nailed down the genetics quite that well yet
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Not to mention that for the machines that do exist, there need to be people trained to use and maintain them properly.
Replacing labor with capital is not a normative decision. If my memory serves me correctly it is a question of relative marginal productivity.
In any case equating genius with wealth as you implicitly do, is a rather curious thing to do. The recent financial crisis that has pretty clearly shown that the corrective function of markets may work in the long run, but definitely not in the short run if sufficient mediocre MBAs believe in the same crap, including among other things, that your income level is a reliable predictor of your worth to society.
Earth to steroid, do you read?
The rich do not necessarily = smart. Case in point? Paris Hilton. Plenty of inventors had to start out somewhere.
Your argument is pretty flawed.
“Trickle up Poverty”?
The WIN is strong in this one…
Actually the ’status quo’ (the existing state of affairs) is that basically monopolies and large corps hold all the cards. Reagan was up to his ankles in the asses of large corps, same as all politicos… and then sold the US the idea that betting on the worlds only legal 24 hour floating crap game and borrowing like crazy was a good idea.
So what we’re looking at really is steroid’s rather stupid articles of faith.
Nothing much to see here cept another pseudo-right winger nut job
Ah yes, “piss on me” economics.
Swell.
So because I’m not wealthy, I shouldn’t exist?
Don’t fsking call me when your computer breaks then…I simply won’t care.
You can fix it yourself, after all….you are a genious.
Tbh, I’d not call you to clean a toilet, but that’s mostly due to loud stupidity.
Which brings me to another point. Who’s going to clean ol’ fancy pant’s toilet without all the common workers?
“False prosperity. It made the wealthy look good for a while, but it was the beginning of the undoing of the common worker.”
It at least allowed Bill Clinton to act, for 8 years, like he was the one responsible for the prosperity he inherited…
Welcome back. Still having a hissy fit over a few prop 8 people?
Not really, Russia lost the cold war because communism is a crappy system. Reagan had nothing to do with that. Also, there was a recession in 1990-91, so that leaves us only with introducing religious nut jobs and anti-intellectualism to the Republican Party. Way to go.
Even a dead tree needs an axe to fell it. Carter wanted to prop it up.
And the 90-91 recession was H-Dub’s fault for raising taxes.
No, most dead trees actually manage to fall over on their own pretty well. Even Ronnie managed that, so it cannot be that hard.
As to George Bush Sr.’s tax raises, you touch another point where Regan committed treason and has for all times ruined the standards of his party. Spending like a drunken sailor is just no acceptable behavior for a Republican and leaving the mess for the successor even less. In the short run it would not have made much of a difference if Bush would have cut spending or raised taxes.
This used to be the party of somber and competent men… well that and tough choices. Now it is the party of spoiled children that want to eat the cake and eat it, too. Reading Ayn Rand doth not an economist make.
Communism in its pure form is a crappy system, but I’m pretty sure it didn’t help to have a raging sociopath running the place either.
I’ve hard this claim before, that Ronnie won the Cold War. Really? I’m not sure I buy that, but I’m willing to be convinced. Seems to me it would have happened with or without him.
All he did was continue the policy direction of Carter, but threw more money at it.
You DARE to speak well of Carter??? Luckily for you, you have the protection of the Atlantic Ocean. Over here, it’s a hanging offense…
He’s one of my favourites.
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He’s a great guy, but was probably too fair-minded and honest to be effective as a President. Still, his sincerity is honorable, and I challenge anyone who disagrees with the fact that he is the best ex-President we have ever had.
I volunteer with Habitat for Humanity. It is an organization that helps people help themselves. I had heard of the organization, but looked into it further when Jimmy Carter promoted it. I’m a better person for being associated with those folks.
I really like people who have the guts to say “Hey, maybe if we talked a bit we’d understand this problem and solve it better than if we try to bomb it away?”
) If about 6 billion people could do the same, things’d look up.
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(In other words, people who dare to see the inefficiency in warfare.)
Both parties must be willing though. I agree, warfare isn’t the best, but if one side wants to fight, the other side wont get much talking done
But that one side wants to fight doesn’t necessarily mean the other side needs to engage in fight with them immediately either.
I wish more people in the U.S. shared your feelings. Carter’s stance on diplomacy has him forever marked as “weak,” I’m afraid.
Negotiations at the end of a smoking gun seem to rule the day, sadly.
Only because of who we are negotiating with. You can’t go to a country that only understands violence and expect them to understand the olive branch you are offering. Speak softly and carry a big stick is still a pretty good plan.
Fair enough, but negotiating with corpses has its drawbacks, in the long run.
Carter’s biggest problem was that he told the other guys he had no stick. You can’t be viewed as weak and get anywhere. Obama may want to negotiate with terrorist leaders, and that’s fine. We need to make sure we are always willing to talk. But he needs to go to the meetings with a tank just over the nearest hill just in case. AND we can’t be surprised when people who are raised to hate America and all from it treat him with dignity to his face while using his picture as a dartboard in the next room. You can’t blame a kid for hitting you when their parents never told them it was wrong. And you can’t expect someone from a place like the Middle East, Russia, Korea, and the like to understand it when you’re willing to put your gun down to talk. More than likely they will just shoot you, because they expect a trick.
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No flames today. It’s a broad brush, I know, but it’s based on situations from the past that we have gotten ourselves into. It’s silly to think that other nations and peoples think like we in America do.
I agree with the parts you expect, and agree with your broad-brush preemptive self-fail. You’re doing my work for me today. What gives?
No preemptive self-fail……I know I’m painting with a broad brush because I’m generalizing. But I’m generalizing based on (as I said) situations that have happened in the past. If you see a man with a gun in a convenience store, do you expect him to rob the register or buy a bag of chips? If you said ’shoot’, then you’re generalizing based on past experience, whether by yourself or others.
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It’s not wrong to make an assumption based on past facts. It’s wrong to carry that assumption through when it’s proved to be false, but look at Kim Jung Ill or Putin and tell me they wouldn’t nuke us if they thought they had the chance. And do it with a straight face.
Yes, Kim Jung Il and Putin have nuked us so many times, it’s easy to guess that they’ll do it again…
Thanks for the easy. I hope your head feels better soon.
No but they have proven to be dictators who invade and oppress their people. Is it so beyond the scope of reason that they would nuke us if they thought they could get away with it? I don’t find her use of exaggeration to be that much within the realm of fail.
Dr. Gates selection to continue as Sec of Defense pretty much ensures taht Obama knows that you need sto talk softly AND carry a big stick- Dr. Gates is an amazing person- he was the president of A&M while I was a graduate student there- he is no a lefty like me, but he has a brain and he sues is.
I am a freshman at A&M now!
@DWN: I was attacking froo’s:”It’s not wrong to make an assumption based on past facts.” We’ve never been nuked=past fact. Logic crash.
@rhorho: I wasn’t under the impression she was saying we had been nuked. She was saying that these men were not above violence. It is why I said she was using exaggeration by saying nuke. Nukes being something they can actually do without crossing the ocean. So no, not a logic crash. Logic crash would have been saying that France would be nuking us due to their love of cheese.
It isn’t illogical to say that violent men/people/women/gerbils would use violence. Past fact is that these are violent men ergo they would use violence against us if they could without a retaliation they couldn’t handle. I think you are getting way too picky because I caught the logic.
You’re right on the picky accusation. The logic error caught my attention, and all else faded to the background. My brain works that way, much as yours focuses on teeny spelling errors you make.
I agree that we should definitely proceed with caution around risky people, and communication with all is key, regardless of nuke potential. Fair enough?
I don’t think there are any countries that only understand violence.
(Okay, okay. On second thought, North Korea is pretty friggin’ fornicated-up.)
Carter was an ass. His foreign policy bankrupted the west in the long run.
I’m not willing to agree on “ass,” but I’ll go for “misguided.”
Mark it on the calender! Rho and Froo agree on something political!
Oh, crap! I was wondering why the vortex appeared suddenly in the living room. Shame, too: I really liked that kitty. She and her chair were sucked in before I could initiate the counter spell…
“Seems to me it would have happened with or without him.”
More or less.
Oh, yeah, and an unprecedented shift in wealth to the top 1% income bracket.
That guy’s dead.
Yes. Yes he is.
Observation win…
But not in this picture!
naw, really?
Oh come on, it’snot like they’re making fun of his death. I thought it was pretty funny.
I thought his death was pretty funny too… but I’m sick like that.
When the news announced (many years ago, obviously) that former president Reagan had been diagnosed with Alzheimer’s, without missing a beat or pausing to think, my grandmother chimed in with, “About fucking time they noticed.”
She always was a real bitch….
I thought the same as Herb’s grandmother. If you’ll recall, there was much speculation as to his mental capacities before he finished his second term.
She always was a real B*tch…
If I had a year to think of it, I could not have thought of a better ironic punishment than that he started out saying “I don’t recall” every other sentence during Iran-Contra to evade accountability for his actions, and ended up unable to recall his name.
Karma’s a b1tch, huh?
Not be be an ass, but I think wishing Alzheimer’s on anyone as karma is pretty f*cked up. Regardless of how badly you hate them…..I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.
I’m with Froo on this one. I not against teasing a political figure after death, I don’t think Reagan was the greatest politician to walk the earth, but wishing diseases on them is a little beyond my scope of reason. Perhaps I am a hypocrite thinking darwin awards are great and all that, and Bush should have gotten one, but “I wish you had cancer” isn’t cool
Seconded. Make fun of the man all you like. Don’t wish him dead.
Isn’t Margaret Thatcher suffering from Alzheimer’s, too?
Is she? how terrible.
Not exactly, from what I have heard and read, she suffers from dementia after a number of small strokes. (And no, I don’t really know what the difference between alzheimers and dementia is, I just know there’s a difference. ;oP )
Dementia can be a sudden thing, and tends to come and go. Alzheimers is a long and slow process of dying.
So is Lewy’s Bodies, and far more terrifying than Alz…
Not exactly, Alzheimer’s doesn’t cause death, it is slow and gradual reduction of the connectivity between neurons in the cerebrum. It affects memory (both audio and visual recollection and recognition) and in some severe cases, it can affect speech and overall abilities for understanding and basic cognitive functions. So yes, it can cause death if an old man with alzheimers forgets that he is driving.
My great grandpa has alzheimers, we found out when he went to the grocery store and forgot where he was :/
My great aunt died of Alzheimer’s two years ago. At the end she was in a home curled into a ball, without the mental capacity to even eat. Eventually, your systems shut down because of the neural breakdown, and she died a slow death (that she wasn’t even aware of) that basically tortured her family who had to watch her die.
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Don’t tell me Alzheimer’s doesn’t cause death. It causes death in the same way that AIDS causes death, though not through the same mechanism. When you can no longer breathe on your own because your brain doesn’t tell your lungs to inflate, come back and tell me that it isn’t caused by Alzheimer’s. It’s not simply a loss of memory.
That’s Alz in combo with TIA… the plaques in Alz can cause weakening/lack of flexibility in blood vessels. Or it could have been Lewy’s Bodies misdiagnosed, since that *can* affect motor control, since it’s related to Parkinson’s in that it systemically affects the dark matter of the brain, as opposed to Alz
to Alz which generally affects grey matter alone.
They told us it was Alzheimer’s, but you could be right about the misdiagnosis, I know it runs in my family, and my dad pretty much has a slight coronary every time he forgets where his keys are. He’s terrified of my mother having to watch him die that way. Regardless of the diagnosis, it’s not a good way to go. For the family, at least.
I know that one.
I had to hand the death sentence down on my father, then carry it through
@Unc: I remember your earlier allusions to that heartbreak. I’m sorry you had to go through that ordeal.
I didn’t mean to imply it wasn’t bad, and yes you are right, it is kind of like AIDS. Subsequent brain damage can be deadly, but it sounded as if you meant the alzheimers was the COD
There is some evidence that everyone would get Alzheimer’s if they lived long enough- the plaque formation is a normal aging processes the theory goes. But you can do things to delay/prevent onset. Alzheimers and other causes of dementia can often be misdiagnosed as each other, since the only real way to know it is AD is to see the plaques are present is with an autopsy. I personally thing Reagan actually had AD onset during those trials- it was not Karma, it was early symptoms.
As I Pointed out on another thread, the usual COD on
Alz patients is respiratory failure, pneumonia, or blood poisoning from sores or urinary tract infections.
In Lewy’s Bodies, it can be heart failure on top of the above
you can die of the Atereosclerotic disease, since the TIA can blow out something that regulates heart or respiration.
The thing my lot gets won’t kill you… just leave you decerebrated.
It’s down to the usual Alz killers to get you.
Not heard that on the grape vine… I’d have to resurrect some relationships I don’t want to to find out the skinny on that…
When she was at the Cenotaph this year she looked fine, and I can spot the ‘mask face’ of Alz at 200 yards usually… The way my lot dies, it’s a handy skill to have, since the ‘unspecified neural degeneration’ we suffer get when we pass 50 is often misdiagnosed as Early Onset Alz. Once they get us scanned, the progression and form is radically different…
The joy of the Sword of Damocles…
I listened to a Swedish reporter talking to Thatcher’s daughter about it. (And found a Swedish newspaper article about it as well), hence my comment on the “dementia due to strokes” thing. Source: http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=148&a=819807
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(Good luck with the Swedish. ;oP )
so, it’s a form of arterial sclerotic dementia, caused by transient ischemic attack/
Blood thinners reduce the frequency of the attacks but increase the damage when they happen.
I can think of better ways to die, since you end up with areas of the brain necrotising in some cases… Ugly way to go, but then there isn’t a ‘good way to die in the dementias of old age spectrum, unless someone has the back bone to pull the plug when the time comes, then at least it’s quick.
I see it’s on Wiki too. Short term memory has gone and she’s losing the longer term.
It explains why I didn’t see the Alz/Lewy’s Bodies mask face in Noivember. You don’t get that with AS/TIA type dementia until the end game.
My mother is going through that very thing, right now. She has “complicated migraines,” in which the complication is associated TIA. Whenever she feels a migraine coming on, she not only dreads the sick feeling (drugs help with the pain), but now (since the TIAs began) she has the added terror of wondering how much of herself she will lose each time.
Froo, nobody *wished* it on him. Tessie was noting the irony after the fact. Save your flame throwers for the inevitable of HHNF, k?
What she did (and the part that made me react) is that she called it karma. No one deserves a slow horrible death. Even mass murderers are given a swift and relatively painless death. Saying that a slow death that destroys families and causes unnecessary pain and suffering for the families is a worthy ‘karmic punishment’ on anyone is pretty f*cked up. I can’t stand Clinton, and can’t stand Obama. I certainly don’t want karma or anything else to visit slow death upon them.
and yet you have such robust attitudes about killing people otherwise…
“Even mass murderers are given a swift and relatively painless death.” I already addressed that.
and people later cleared by the innocence project… but you enjoy those deaths too…
You’re projecting. I’ve said several times that I don’t want an innocent to die. It happens sometimes though. Life sucks. It still is a pretty painless death compared to degenerative diseases such as Alzheimer’s.
Low blow, Froo!
I’m just not in a good mood today, and being flamed over conversations from a month ago aren’t in my game plan *sigh* Sorry.
Yes, life sucks, little princess. But you still have a robust attitude to collateral damage, then play the martyr over Grandma… Hypocrite.
Fine, I’m a horrible person. Get over the argument from a month ago. We’ve hashed it out already, we all know you don’t agree with or like me, so can we please move on?
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And it was my great aunt, I wasn’t close to her, or her family. I still wouldn’t wish that death on my worst enemy.
You keep making high moral noises… someone needs to keep the reality in view.
May as well be me, while my short term memory works :¬)
My high moral noises are tempered (at least in my own brain…..doesn’t translate well to the internets) by the fact that I am not perfect and can’t be. While I’d love to epitomize Christianity, the best I can do is follow it as closely as I can while fighting off my primal urges to go on shooting rampages when someone cuts me off in traffic. My bloodthirstiness is tempered by the belief in a higher power, which keeps me from showing up on ‘Cops’. Remember that whole ‘nature vs. nurture’ argument back on the WalMart thread?
) I can deal with it….usually. I’ll deal with it better today after my migrane goes away.
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And as long as you’ve got a target, might as well be me
@froo: Nice people die from degenerative diseases every day, and many of us have been affected. Justifying needless killing of innocents using that tack is wrong. I know you’re angry with Unc, but other people read your words. Please bear that fact in mind.
Whoa, where did I use Alzheimer’s to justify innocent deaths?
Please correct me: I *want* to be wrong. To me, the above reads, “It’s a pity, but generally okay if we kill a few innocents, as long as we put them away in a humane fashion. After all, the death penalty is sweet compared to the fate of some people we like.”
That’s not justifying. That’s stating what is as a fact. Bad things happen, wrong things happen. Sometimes the wrong people die. That doesn’t make wishing Alzheimer’s on ANYONE ok. Is that a little clearer as far as my meaning?
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I don’t like that innocents die. I also can’t change the fact that it happens. *IF* it’s going to happen, at least it’s (relatively) painless. (that still doesn’t make it right, before you flame me)
Oops, no. You *are* justifying.
Also, I didn’t claim you were wishing Alzheimer’s on anyone.
You usually make better sense than this.
Well, actually. It’s easy to prevent innocents dying becuase of capital punishment.
Life sentences perform the same function, and are reversible in the case of mishaps. Am I reading you right, Dan?
Froo- I do not know you, and I do not agree with you, but if you have a migraine, the refresh rate on your computer is probably exacerbating the vessel rebound that is causing it- you may want to just walk away from the conversaion to take care of your self…Cool packs on the neck, white noise, warm water for the feet can help…
rho: Yep. The best way for the state to make sure not to murder someone (which killing someone innocent would be) is of course to not kill people. I mean, capital punishment is not a necessity.
Well, things going like they are, everyone against the death penalty will eventually get their wish. It’s going out of vogue in every state, including mine.
I’m waiting for HHNF to comment on the legs picture again…
She commented?
I think she’s on hiatus licking her wounds after the new asshole that Seth gave her for xmas. Oh wait sorry, Hanukkah, she’s Jewish, right.
Well, she’s part Jewish, so I think she just celebrates Han.
Op, my mistake ; )
Does that mean she only lights four candles and eats pot pancakes? The pot pancakes would explain a lot…
Certainly doesn’t explain her hostility towards fatties…
Excellent point. There’s no easy way to justify using a different yardstick on different genders, as well. Perhaps it’s the fumes from sniffing her own farts…
Oh but I’m sure they smell like roses. : /
Yes, even after four days! Her farts are better than Febreze!!
*marvels*
Or say that Reagan is fat…
Sanskrit fail – Karma is just action.
Getting what you deserve for lying about what you did to cause untold numbers of deaths, funding drug cartels, terrorists and known enemies of your country is what you’re getting at.
and I can see the funny side of that one… The right wing nut jobs are already twitching and pissing over the comment, but sometimes, reality is pretty dark humour, and when the poster boy of the conservative right is called, it gets ugly fast, usually from people who have no more empathy normally that a rock has a conscience.
Close but not quite.
In Hinduism, karma means action but also broadly encompasses the “cause and effect” theory that most people attribute to the word.
In Buddhism it’s the cause part of cause and effect. The effect would be called vipāka and is probably more on the lines of what Tessie was referring to.
It also has an entirely different meaning in Jainism. Well sort of different. From what I gather from skimming is it gives karma some kind of pseudo scientific explanation by considering it some kind of “subtle matter surrounding the soul”
I’ll readily admit that I can be a vindictive little shit when the mood strikes me, but my powers, such as they are, don’t extend to wishing somebody dead, nor to giving them Alzheimer’s long-distance. As Homer Simpson quite correctly notes, Karma can only be apportioned out by the cosmos.
That said, I think Reagan was a rotten President, whose 1947 Boys Life worldview did incalculable damage to the country. Had he gotten run over by a bus, or had John Hinckley had better aim, I still would have enjoyed schadenfreude, but it would not have been ironic in the way that his Alzheimer’s was.
Also, thanks to Fester and Jules for the info. I was indeed using karma in the colloquial, “cause and effect”/”payback” sense of the word.
I admit that I can be a rotten little sh1t on occasion, but my powers, such as they are, don’t extend to making somebody die or giving them Alzheimer’s simply by wishing it on them. As Homer Simpson quite correctly noted, karma can only be portioned out by the cosmos.
That said, I’m not a follower of Saint Reagan, and find it incomprehensible and annoying when he’s valorized. I think he was an ignorant reactionary whose 1947 Boys Life worldview did incalculable damage to this country. If, after a presidency of pretending not to recall anything inconvenient and recounting movie plots and Reader’s Digest articles as fact, he had gotten run over by a bus, I would still have experienced schadenfreude, but the means of his demise would not have been ironic.
Also, thanks to Fester and Jules for the info on “karma”.
For what it’s worth, I wasn’t offended. I rather liked the irony of it though it is sad he and his family had to endure that. I have a family member who has known me all my life and barely remembers who I am most of the time. They had to put her in a home and honestly she does much better there than she does visiting the rest of the family at the holidays. Routine can be a beautiful thing for some people. Apologies for the tangent.
Excellent word by the way.