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I have to say… the “And mormons” sorta made me chuckle… as did the haircut. The combination triggered a small lol.
Child molesting homosexuals is on the list… but child molesting HETEROsexuals are not on the list. So they’re ok?
And drunkards are on the list, but Jesus himself turned water to wine. WTF was up with that?
And seriously… SPORTS NUTS? So if you like to ski, you’re going to hell, but if you have heterosexual relations with a child, you’re ok…
So many things to question there…
You’re not necessarily a drunkard just because you drink wine.
Dinna be wide.
“Dinna be wide?” Is that Scottish for something?
Dinna be wide – ‘don’t be wide’ Wide generally refers to people who won’t give you what you want or sometimes to behaviour or activity that’s not socially accepted.
Like, “Don’t go far afield,” maybe?
He might be joking….
I always used, and heard it used, as “don’t be (usually deliberately) thick.”
Thank you! I had a Scottish co-worker who said “kin like?” often at the end of sentences. I finally asked her what the question meant. (I thought she was saying “can like?”) She hadn’t noticed that Americans didn’t use that question. I confused her too. She never quite got used to the phrase “fixin’ to,” which means “about to.” For example, “I was just fixin’ to ask you about that.” Gotta love this language stuff! : )
No, it’s a Chuck Berry album track. Not as popular as his earlier work, but it had its moments.
Sub-Scottish. It is the war cry of Alba’s tonic-wine underling.
I may use the term, but I am NOT a ned or a buckfast drinker. (Just wanted to clarify that.)
No but you’re a wino
Congratulations: You just called a Scottish teenaged girl a wino.
I lol’d.
How does being Scottish, teenage or a girl mean that you *can’t* be a wino?
Well I suppose it doesn’t, but AC is good people, and you normally wouldn’t go up to teenaged girls (scottish or otherwise) and accuse them of being winos.
*I* normally don’t go up to teenaged girls and *ANYTHING*! Oh, but according to the kid up top there,I could do that and still get into heaven. Hmm, I must rethink growing up.
You, sir, win the internet!
Wine is a bit to expensive and continental. Lambrini, Special Brew and methylated spirits are more the tipple of chocie
Why do people drink methylated spirits? That stuff is just plain bad for you
Because it’s cheap… it will also kill you pretty quickly but by the time you’ve reached that point that’s not really going to be the main consideration.
It’s also why meths is normally purple now, they put the dye in it to attempt to stop people drinking it.
but I would drink it, purple is my favorite color! lol, I guess that means I’m going to hell also.
And here I thought it was the homosexuality that got these folks teed off…I guess if I stop molesting kids, I’m in. Sweet! Plus, y’know, you don’t have to listen to all those sports nuts going on and on about yesterday’s game.
So I can be homosexual or molest children of the opposite sex and be ok? Its only if I do both that I am sinning? So…if I am homosexual for adults and hetero for children I’m safe?
I love it when radicals don’t proofread.
Don’t forget “Rebellious Women” like Rosa Parks, Susan B. Anthony…
Ya, he’s probably one of those who thinks that women should know their place and keep their mouth shut. I don’t know why women get married to guys like that and put up with that crap.
Speaking as a woman who almost got married to a man like that, when you’re in that situation, you’re so emotionally beat down that you don’t realize what’s going on, and even if you did there is nothing you could do about it. I was lucky I got out when I did.
Was it one of those situations where the guy starts off nice and gentleman-like and then devolves over time to his current state? Because I can see a woman getting stuck in that situation, but less so if the guy’s a d*ck upfront. The guy in the pic sure seems like an upfront d*ck to me…
Not to split hairs but most of us men have our d*ck up front.
WIN.
That may be worth a quarter internet, maybe more
I will jut have to try harder next time. XD
You said ‘jut’. It might be that I spent my entire day writing smut instead of working, but that sounds decidedly dirty to me
You know it love. ; )
…now I’m curious about which ones don’t…
Clearly this guy (if he has one)
my kids just came into the room to figure out why I’m laughing. Well played, DWM, well played.
I just lol’d so hard I pissed my self. Thank you DeathWyrmNexus
You’re pretty close. THe guy looked great on paper, and there was some delusion involved. It’s a long process for these guys, and it was only though an intervention that I was able to get out.
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And believe it or not, there are some women who flock to douches like this guy in the picture.
I know, I just don’t understand it and it makes me sad. “This guy wants to treat me like a second-class citizen, with maybe even a fist to the eye if I get uppity? WHERE DO I SIGN UP?”
I think it stems from needing to be told what to do. Some women need that structure and the comfort of never having to think for themselves. These guys prey on that and take it to scary places.
For me, it was more about doing anything to get along. If I had to say I was wrong just to keep the peace, it was for the greater good. If I knew a particular topic would set him off, it became *my responsibility* to avoid the mention or implication of it.
*depressed*
that’s not how it goes.
YOu’re supposed to write “*masturbates*”
*disturbed*
That’s not how it goes. You’re supposed to write
@!kca: You’re disturbed.
I’m disturbed that they’re disturbed.
I need to simplify my masturbation ritual
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(and if you get THAT reference, you get a BIG box of cookies
Mystery Science Theater 3000???!!!?!?!?
Eye hits are rare: They SHOW, and don’t hurt as much as gut punches.
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*more depressed*
I’m sorry–I was never hit in the eye or the gut. (Bent backwards over a balcony and told I was going to be dropped, yes.) But I didn’t mean to imply that I *personally* know sustained physical abuse. I just know a lot about the topic because I have listened to a lot of women in the course of my volunteer work.
Don’t apologize for evils you have no done, hun. It is not your fault the practices exist. Just the reality is not something we confront in our daily lives and the reminder is depressing. Again, that is not yours to apologize for reminding us. We shouldn’t forget. I thank you for reminding me why I cherish Lynn as I should for a number of others I cannot protect are not cherished. -_-
Thank you, Dear. If you don’t mind me saying so, Lynn seems to have found herself a keeper! I apologized because I reread what I had written, with the responses, and saw how it could be interpreted two ways. Many women have been through a LOT worse!
My friend in LA, his girl is a psychologist and they both volunteer at the abuse shelters. Let alone my own experiences, I know all too well how bad it can be. *sigh*
Thanks, you’re too kind.
Occasionally you’ll see people, usually women in this culture, with a rather unfortunate overriding impulse to think confidence of any kind is attractive. Confidence in what? This is important to ask.
*hugs…uber-hugs*
Sociopaths are nothing without charisma.
Good for you, froofrou. Glad you discovered that you really are worth more than that and got out of a bad situation.
Quoted for Truth…
LOL. Where’s Xavier to argue with you about it?
LOL! Well, he spelled it out, so maybe the controversy won’t be as intensive this way. That said, I still don’t get the phrase.
Yes you were *very* lucky, and so was I! It’s amazing how gradual the progression goes. Mine wasn’t physical, until the very end. (That’s what snapped me out of it, acutally.) It took him about two years go from dream-come-true to the point where he said, “If I were you, I would commit suicide.” Looking back, I remember times when he overstepped, but he would always back off, then press back. The kicker was how all of the people he kept around him telling me how lucky I was…*sound of fingernails on slate*
Mine never got to physical abuse *hugs* I wish that no woman ever had to go through that!
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Mine never got to the point where he wanted me to kill myself, but that was probably the next step. Mine kept accusing me of cheating on him, even though he knew where I was and what I was doing at all times.
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Yours had people telling you how lucky you were? Geez! *hugs again* I’m glad you got out!
I always develop a twitch when I hear these stories because I lack the capacity to go on the killing spree needed to remove some of these relationship tumors. *sigh*
I will never understand how somebody can take a cuddly woman and think it is a good idea to destroy them…
Amen to that, brother.
When we finally snap, I invite you on my roadtrip of death…
Sounds like a grand idea. We can take turns being the guy who holds the condemned and the guy who stabs.
Don’t forget the nailbat and I will remember chains. Mmm, this is sounding very cathartic. Variety is the spice of life.
Let us litter the streets with the guilty dead, until the day comes that no man shall harm any woman for fear of our swift, grim retribution.
Sounds like a very littered road.
Their bones will pave the streets awash with their fetid blood. Their flesh will befoul the air as they feed the crows. Mouths open in rictus screams not unlike their old victims will line sidewalks, a reminder of retribution. A grim dream, red with bleeding indignation and fueled by the anger of the wrathful, will fuel us ever forward like a raging forest fire.
I wish there were more men in the world like you two. The only one in my life that used to be protective like that ironically turned out to be borderline psychologically abusive in the end. Guys like you two give me hope. *hugs*
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That made sense, right?
I play the occasional mindgame but I try not to do anything abusive. I figure if Lynn is smiling, life is going good. If she seems overly tired or stressed, I find out what is going down and try to fix.
And yes, it made sense to me, hun. *hugs*
*hugs n8 and DWN* I love you guys!!
Love you too, babe. XD
Ah, I have a target for you all.
Perhaps I’ll actually meet someone one day like you gents who can help me regain my faith in humanity.
You flatter me but I do hope you meet somebody worthy of your affection. You deserve no less.
*returns hugs to kuro & froo*
Who’d have thought that bloodthirsty vigilantism could be so rewarding?
I just considered it its own reward.
Can come too? I wanna get a few rapists and kiddie diddlers though.
I have a special place on my blade for them too. You’re invited to the street justice road trip.
Hell yes sir, looks like we got us a convoy.
Pack a lunch, we’ll make a day of it.
Pfft, a week, minimum.
We can’t pack that many lunches, we have to travel light. So many throats to slit, so little time…not to mention an increasing number of rescued women who may want to join the jamboree as we go.
We’ll just have to forage liberally, per Gen. Sherman’s orders.
I have a Visa card that’s better than packing a lunch!
Dont’ invoke the name “Sherman” to a Southerner : )
You might as well say “Santa Ana” to a Texan, or “Pollution” to an old Indian chief.
*Packs the guys lunches with lots of cookies* You guys sure know how to cheer us women folk up! It’s refreshing to know you’re out there, blades and all! : )
But the cookies are always welcome!
I understand the sentiment that is being displayed, here, but I find it kinda sad that being a man who is respectful to the women in his life is something that is rare enough to be celebrated rather than simply taken for granted as a starting point on the road to manhood. *sigh*
You make a good point, stepnerd. I was a little surprised myself… I don’t feel as though my views on violence toward women should be anything but ordinary. It is a thing not to be tolerated, a thing to be punished… it saddens me that this sentiment is seen to be a rarity. Ah well. *sharpens blades.*
Thirded. I’ve never thought of myself as all that special but apparently the women I’ve known have been taught to expect a lot less of men than I expect of myself.
Depressingly sad when I allow myself to think on it for too long. Then I just get mad.
Rather than getting depressed, maybe be conscious about role modelling for the next generation? The little guys look to big guys to find out what it means to be a man…
I have two sons, does that help? ; )
Absolutely! That means 2 little guys who will grow up to be decent men…hope!
I will do my best, m’lady.
Even I have one of these ex s. He’s constantly accuse me of cheating because the bedsheets might be rumpled. He was with me the whole time, but assumed I’d somehow found a spare 30 seconds and used it to cheat on him. Nothing like getting berated for cheating after having sat on the bed to put on shoes or what have you. It was awful. I have a great guy for a husband these days.
I used to get the “You could have had sex in the parking lot during lunch!”
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I wish!!!
Some men think women can’t protect themselves, and get overprotective, assuming every guy friend a girl has is out to get her. This kind of emotional abuser can be recognized by his distinctive call:
“I trust you, I just don’t trust him.”
He knew you weren’t cheating. Mine did that, too. It’s just a device to keep you on the defensive, always trying to prove your devotion. His best friend once told me not to “egg [him] on so much.”
@froo *hugs*
Well, you two certainly dispel the myth that “you’d have to be stupid to end up in that situation.” Psychopaths are scary, scary things.
I remember the science quirk about the frog in a pan of water. If you heat it up too fast, he jumps out. If you heat it gradually, he will just sit there as it gets warmer and warmer until he boils to death.
OMG–That’s a perfect illustration!
I concur. Usually it was just not worth the confrontation and the verbal abuse so you put up with a lot of crazy sh*t. My ex was bi-polar as well as psychotic/sociopathic. much fun–not!
I am going to apologize on behalf of my fellow crazy people. I am sorry for the woes you have suffered. -_-
*hugs you both*
To further the frog illustration, you have to make the frog think that any discomfort from the heat is the frog’s fault; that if the frog doesn’t do anything wrong, the heat will decrease.
Thanks DWN. It’s water under the bridge now thankfully. I’ve got a keeper these days!!
Excellent. Nice to hear of a man that knows how to keep his woman happy. We aren’t that numerous so it is good to hear we aren’t extinct yet.
He’s off hunting so as to be a good provider. LOL. He plays D&D (and 40K, but I’ll let that slide) and is good to his kids. He’s responsible too, but not in an uptight sort of fashion. Plus he’s our band’s drummer on Rock Band.
No not extinct. I know there’s at least a few good ones out there. Cheers to you and Lynn.
Thanks love. Does sound like a keeper.
Hehehe, now I just have to remember that when he annoys me by snoring, or leaving the shower curtain open. LOL
Ya well…
This has been a great conversation to witness at the end of (in Australia) White Ribbon Day -the international day for the elimenation of violence against women. I hope all my American friends will continue their commitment to speaking out against violence towards women by wearing a White Ribbon when they get up on Tuesday!!
Click my name for info.
And just so there is no misunderstanding, abuse can also be directed at men. My first marriage was a real scorcher. It never was physical, but she certainly had the mental abuse down cold. Same as froo, accusations of cheating even though there was no way that could happen. Or we would have an argument and I’d go off to the other room to sleep and would wake up in the night with her standing over me with a knife. Funny thing is, for the first 15 years things weren’t so bad, but I think time took it’s toll on her mental capacity and she ended up as a complete loon.
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So even though I’m a man, I can relate to stories of abuse, physical, mental, or verbal. It’s a horrific situation for anyone and takes a lot of intestinal fortitude to walk away.
*gives eddie a hug* You’re good people eddie!
Ugh! That’s horrible! I’m glad you got out, Eddie *hugs*
Thanks for the *hugs, both of ya!
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The worst part about it is, even her own sons barely tolerate her. Just to give you an idea of how twisted the woman is, when my mother passed away in September she cracked the sh*ts because she wasn’t mentioned in the obituary. Her rationale was she was the mother of my sons (who WERE listed) and that by rights she should have been also. My reply was, “We’re divorced, get over it already!”
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Talk about a wing-nut.. she honestly should be standing next to this kid in the picture.
All the abuse in my life has come from women. Even had a recent fiasco with a woman whose mental issues resonated way too closely to my own so it just brought us both down. Very messy and a new scar, which is technically my fault. Least I have a reminder.
(My post keeps getting eaten. If this appears a 3rd time, I is sorry.
lol)
Yeah, I’m one of those men who have been in an abusive relationship, and been abused. I’ve been married twice. First one ended up becoming physically abusive about 6 months into the marriage. And the abuse lasted for about 6 months. She pretty much decided I was a good punching bag, with which to vent her frustrations out on, no matter what it was. However, no matter what ti was, it was always my fault. Even things that happened to her in her life long before we had ever met. My second wife? Well, she did the constant emotional manipulation crap. Not to mention being very psychologically abusive. Thank the gods that marriage only lasted about 3 months. Heh. I managed to get out of it before it became worse. So, I’m one of these guys who knows what it’s like to be in an abusive relationship. The abuser does it slowly, of course. Building up to it, slowly trying to trip away at your self worth, your esteem.
I’m just glad I found a woman that not only is open and completely honest with me, but values communication, too. Plus, she treats me the way I finally realized I deserve to be treated. With love, and respect.
And for you wonderful ladies (and men) who have been through the hell you’ve been through? Not only does my heart go out to you, but you have my hugs, and congratulations for getting out of it before it became too late.
*hugs Eddie* It’s not a gender thing. It’s a brain thing. You are just as much a survivor as the others who have spoken up on here.
Yeah, I’m one of those men who have been in an abusive relationship, and been abused. I’ve been married twice. First one ended up becoming physically abusive about 6 months into the marriage. And the abuse lasted for about 6 months. She pretty much decided I was a good punching bag, with which to vent her frustrations out on, no matter what it was. However, no matter what ti was, it was always my fault. Even things that happened to her in her life long before we had ever met. My second wife? Well, she did the constant emotional manipulation crap. Not to mention being very psychologically abusive. Thank the gods that marriage only lasted about 3 months. Heh. I managed to get out of it before it became worse. So, I’m one of these guys who knows what it’s like to be in an abusive relationship. The abuser does it slowly, of course. Building up to it, slowly trying to trip away at your self worth, your esteem.
I’m just glad I found a woman that not only is open and completely honest with me, but values communication, too. Plus, she treats me the way I finally realized I deserve to be treated. With love, and respect.
And for you wonderful ladies (and man) who have been through the hell you’ve been through? Not only does my heart go out to you, but you have my hugs, and congratulations for getting out of it before it became too late.
My ex wife sounds like both of yours rolled into one. I still haven’t mustered up the enthusiasm to go looking for another one.
Luckily, I had done some volunteer work at a local Women’s Shelter. Once the physical abuse started, I sobered up. After I got him out of my apartment, my best friend (the last one he grudgingly *let* me have) was instrumental to my sanity. I told her what happened, then she made the casual observation, “No wonder Jezebel [my cat] avoided him.” I have never forgiven myself for subjecting my cat to that man! Jezebel is 20.5 years old now, btw. *prideful beaming*
If i ever treated Brandi like that, I would kick my own ass
It would be a curved dagger and bathtub treatment if I caught myself acting like that. I won’t tolerate that kind of behavior, especially from myself.
…and what exactly is…?
*shakes head*
Never mind, I think I’d rather not know.
I have precious little innocence left, I’d better preserve what there is of it.
It’s probably the easiest way to send yourself into your final sleep.
Not easiest, just efficient, minimal cleanup and no loud noises to disturb the neighbors and bring unwanted EMS.
I always planned on it being slow and painful, in front of a mirror. So no, not easy. Just less hassle for somebody else to clean up later.
Frank Pentangeli would beg to differ. According to him (in the movie Godfather II) you just draw a nice warm bath, open your wrists, and just drift off as you bleed out. Granted that’s from a movie and therefore possibly romanticized, but that’s as close as I’m getting to the experience!
Never mentioned warm water, just mentioned a tub. Besides, you would want to use cold water to numb your arm. Warm water is relaxing but I can imagine it would sting if you didn’t slice deep enough to get a nerve.
I will spare you my thoughts on exactly how I would do it.
Oh yeah, I remember that part. Not being allowed to have any friends was one of the worst things.
That’s a hallmark: Isolation = Control.
The sad part is, we often don’t realize that’s what’s going on right away. In my case, it took some caring friends to snap me out of it and realize that I was being emotionally abused. It also didn’t help that I knew he’d been abused by his stepfather as a kid, and thus felt pity for him (Ladies, any man who tries to control you does NOT deserve your pity).
I don’t talk to that ex anymore. I don’t think my sanity could take it.
*nods* I won’t pretend I’ve gone through anything like you all have, but in my last relationship, that was the first order he laid down. Thankfully, he got bored of me quickly. He found a girl that was better-endowed than me, and suddenly I wasn’t so interesting.
I *hope* you sent him a thank-you note! ; )
I did…kind of. I sent it by way of his new girlfriend and told her she might want to read it before she gave it to him. >:)
Good for you!
I’ve only experienced relavitely mild emotional abuse.
If a guy ever says ‘I’m not worthy of your love!’, run like hell. He’ll eventually decide to take you down to his level.
And like the other gals above, I’ve found someone much, much better. They ARE out there!
–and by the way, it is so much better to be without a guy, than to be with some schmoe who doesn’t treat you with respect. I did the solo thing for a long time, in the process learning what I liked to do without some dude to influence my opinion. And had a good time with friends and work during that period. I don’t regret it at all.
How about if a guy says “I want to be worthy of your love and I’m working at it every day of my life”?
RUN AWAY. Especially if that comes after a fight.
@viking gal: Not all of the gals above found a man, but I did “find someone better:” myself. There’s nothing wrong with being alone.
@slanagat: I think froofrou got it wrong *just this once.* The message depends on the messenger, and you’re a good ‘un in my book! : )
Just remember my qualifier: “after a fight”. I heard that crap too often not to look at it with a seriously healthy skepticism : )
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To be fair, though, my hubby tells me all the time how much he wants to treat me right, and then he FOLLOWS THROUGH, which is the litmus test in my book. If all the guy is doing is saying it, and no action follows, then he’s crap : )
I think you *both* found keepers! ; )
@rhorho: I agree. Being alone, and finding that you like yourself is very, very important. Even if you meet someone good, you still spend a lot of time in life with yourself for company.
I was solo for 15 years, and developed the ‘brownie theory of life and relationships’. I’m a brownie. Brownies don’t need icing. In fact, the wrong icing can ruin the whole brownie experience. Only accept value-added icing!
Friends are essential. Romance? I’m loving it now, he’s a great guy. But I had a good life in those 15 solo (with friends) years, too!
My sweetie is safely out of a marriage like that after 18 years and two kids. At my /b/e/g/g/i/n/g suggestion, she just had a full medical checkup, which she hadn’t done in well over a decade because she didn’t care whether she lived or died.
At times I feel such unvarnished hatred for the rest of my gender….
Not all of them, just some of them. Who need to be run through. With a large stake.
You can join the convoy.
My biggest problem was that I went back to him at least 3 times. I’ve heard a statistic that says a woman in an abusive relationship has to leave on average 9 times before it ‘took’. My best friend at the time (who I am married to now) kept trying to get me to stay away from him and kept trying to talk some sense into me. Thank God for him! He got me out of that situation and sent me back to my parents to work things out with them.
…and in return for his good, sensible counsel, he wound up with an awesome wife! (I’m a sucker for happy endings!)
*hugs*
Me too ; ) He is the most awesome-est EVAR!!! *hugs rho*
you’re not the only one! i was in and out of my relationship with my abousive ex for nearly 12 years. i “knew” that no one would want me, and i knew that she would always be there for me… would always take me back.
*hug*
Speaking from experience, this can happen to guys too. In the exact same words even. 8/
You’re not alone. Find Eddie’s comments, a little ways up.
I thought the same thing about “Lewd Women.” What are all of those poor lewd straight men to do? I bet that kid wants a lewd woman to slap some of that gel out of his hair…
He would probably cream his shorts if a lewd woman slapped him.
When he is older, he will have to pay a professional Mistress for that privilege.
Hopefully he can get that money out of the offering plates, before it’s counted!
We can only be so lucky.
Lewd and rebellious!!!
I thought the sports nut thing was kind of weird too. Maybe it’s because I’m watching football on Sunday instead of going to church. I know I read somewhere that Jesus loves the Packers….so I guess I’ll be ok.
“John 3:16… what does that even mean?”
“And the lord said… Go Sox.”
so as a non-child molesting homo i’m ok? thank the f*g gods!
Yes, I believe those are the Greek gods.
WIN! There’s another quarter-internet, keep this up, you’ll have the whole thing.
Yay?
Drinking isn’t considered the sin. It’s intoxication. (Jesus didn’t do that at a frat party.)
No, He just brought the keg and supplied the already drunk guests. Jesus was an enabler : )
My hyper-religious mother explained to me that “wine” meant “grape juice,” so Jesus didn’t make an intoxicating beverage, after all. (I think that explanation gets her to sleep at night.)
Tell her I said ‘Horse Crap’ : )
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My dad, who is a preacher and a historian, both Bible and otherwise, even admits that it’s wine. And apparently, according to the same texts that these nitnuks quote all the time, it was ‘the good stuff’! How’s that!
I’m still not telling my mom. She’s cranky! : )
In my Bible class in second grade at a small private Christian school, I argued with the “wine at Cana was actually grape juice” myth.
Stupid substitute teacher misread the cards–which were carefully worded so as not to offend anybody–and said “Drinking alcohol is a sin,” rather than “Drunkenness is a sin.” Catholic girl in the front row raises her hand and says, “Then how come every week at church, Mommy and Daddy go up to get wine for Communion?”
After a trip to the office and a parent-teacher conference, I learned not to correct the grown-ups, and the sub learned that when the principal says “Read what it says on the cards,” he doesn’t mean paraphrase.
I repeat, it wasn’t at a frat party. Silly.
It wasn’t a frat party, but it might as well have been. Traditional Jewish weddings sometimes went on for days, and were extremely lavish affairs. Lots of money was spent on everything from food to wine, and by the end of the party, a frat house would seem tame.
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I repeat, Jesus was an enabler
I am glad that MOST (nearly all) homosexuals don’t make the list. It is kind of harsh on pretty women and jocks though. Thank GOD *weg* he spelled judgment correctly. It might be the very first time I have seen it spelled correctly on a placard.
This isn’t Christianity. It’s a twisted cult. Don’t be ignorant; real Christians wouldn’t do this and don’t think like this. Don’t define a group by it’s radicals…actually, don’t include the radicals in the group!
The sad thing is, most normal Muslims are saying the same thing about the crazy jihadists, and most non-Muslims ignore them.
It’s hard for outsiders to avoid judging a religion harshly when all they see of it is the crazies who make the news. *hugs* I know most Christians have the common sense not to act like the loser in the photo.
I agree with both you and the L. People should understand that not all Christians and Muslims are this crazy. And the whole “Whine v.s. Grape Juice” thing -as good discussion as it is- is not as important as the core message of the Gospels. I personally think it was unfermented, because the first time it was suggested in the Bible that the stuff was fermented was with the arrival of the (Highly Cathollosized) King James translation. It’s annoying when one sect of Christianity is proved wrong on something or attacked or contradicts itself, it makes everyone think that way of all Christians. Either way, whine or juice, Jesus gave an important message of love, peace and unity which all Human beings can learn from!
This is his short list:-)
Other Jack Mehoff’s that I’ve met don’t often offer such intellectual input.
Thats what makes it so funny!
He left out “Judgmental, Sanctimonious, Self-Righteous Wingnuts.”
It’s on the back of the sign, next to his, uh, crotch.
If he claims to be a Christian, he should really stop telling people that he is. We get a bad reputation. We’re taught not to judge others and to leave it up to God, but some little nutjobs never get that message, hence the picture. Then we’re slapped with the label of judgmental hypocrites. Thanks, ya little wanker.
Though, he looks more like a Jehova’s Witness to me.
If I’ve got my sects right then Mormons wouldn’t be on there if he were a JW. Could be wrong, I tend to just slam the door on anyone who comes to my place to tell me my current lifestyle is evil. Nevermind that there’s usually no indication of what my lifestyle is from my apartment door.
My money is on him being a member of the Westboro Baptist Fellowship. Look up “Fred Phelps” in Wikipedia if you care to torture yourself.
They came to protest a town near here today. Silverton, OR elected a transvestite in his 40’s to be mayor; they came to tell us all we’re going to hell.
The funny thing is, the new mayor is straight, and has a moderately younger girlfriend. He has boob implants and crossdresses, but he’s still straight.
I would love to hear how their chants were worded…
“Burn in Hell, guy with boobs!”
“Shame on you for confoozing us!”
“Your girlfriend is a lesbian–or not!”
They came to protest my high school’s commencement ceremony my junior year because the class president had received the Matthew Shepard Scholarship. At the ceremony, the counter-protesters outnumbered them something like 3-to-1 or more. Really made me love the city at the time!
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Someone also ran up and smashed cream pies in the Phelps’ faces. Wish I could have shaken those people’s hands!
they came to the kentucky state capitol to protest when the legislature was voting on a bill to ban protests within some amount of yards of a veteran’s funeral (the measure passed, thankfully – westboro baptist church had been protesting at the funerals of veterans in our state and elsewhere). they had children holding signs that said “God hates f**s” and other such atrocities. beyond that they called my friends, who had organized a counter-protest from my high school, whores. so much hatred
Some friends of mine were visited by JW’s – in return for the Watchtower, they handed over the house “holy scripture” for perusal… a well thumbed porn mag!
Most male students may not be classy, but they’re a hell of a lot of fun!
Since they know who is JW, and you are not on their list your lifestyle/religion is automatically wrong- get it?
Ditto.
“I can has cheezburger?”
-Happycat
Oh, no – *HE’S* on the sign, too: “Two-Faced People” thanks to his stating “F__se Religions” and “Mormons”.
But then, the POINT of the whole exercise he’s mentioning is that *EVERYONE* undergoes Judgement; not just the groups he lists off…
…because Mormons aren’t Christian and stuff. Even though their church is called The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints. Heck, Christ is even in the title.
I chuckled too.
He forgot “atheists”. Jesus f’n Christ, he left out us atheists.
How in the world did he manage to forget atheists? What the hell was he thinking?
I’m stunned.
(or maybe we’re painted in big letters all alone on the back of the sign)
No, we’re on there. Small letters, upper right-hand side.
Didn’t mention You guys very prominently on the list, did they?
How come “lewd men” isn’t up there? Is lewdness ok only if it comes from a man? Also, what is a “rebellious woman”? Pot smoking little devils? Atheists?
Honestly, this is one of the stupidest signs I have ever seen. Of all the drugs one can do, pot is one of the more tame ones.
Maybe a rebellious woman is an atheist pot smoking one?
no, a rebellious woman is one who doesn’t fulfill her God-mandated role of cooking, cleaning, and child-bearing. heaven forbid!
he needs a :beer:
Seriously…Love how a harmless pro life religion is put on the same page as child molesters and baby killers. Please.
Poor witches, they always get a bad rap….And what is an F se Religion?
Maybe it once said “false”.
*shrug*
False was indeed the intended descriptor.
HEY!! Where have you been hiding?
F se Religions could be False Religions. The a and the l fell off presumably. Would witches be redundant in that case to these people? Eh, probably they don’t even recognize it as such.
Maybe “sports nuts” is there because of that whole thing with the lions and the coliseums that happened back in the day.
Is that “rebellious women” in the upper right? The second word is a bit unclear.
I believe it’s “Fosse Religion.” He’s against modern dance.
I read it as ‘fung shui’ religons at first for some reason >.> it made for a great lol.
No the devil shall tempt you to redecorate D:
This made me choke on my couscous. Spirit fingers should really send you to hell, though, I agree
That reminds me of a joke:
Q: Why don’t Baptists believe in pre-marital sex?
A: They’re afraid it might lead to dancing.
As a Baptist, I can say with authority: WIN
Heard of Seventh Day Adventists?
As the near relative of Baptists, I say WIN. It’s almost as good as the one about fishing:
Q: Why should you go fishing with more than one Baptist?
A: Because if you go with just one, he’ll drink all your beer.
Sadly, I have no personal evidence to contradict this one.
–do “jazz Hands” , go straight to hell.
we seriously do. i was banned from one of the stores in town because of my religion
being a witch that is, all because i wear a pentacle necklace. and i scored a 8!! woot!
Money lovers? Ah, crap.
Does that include coin collectors?
Makes you wonder what kind of revenue his church has, eh?
Well, it may be a sound “cough it up for the coffers” rationale: Tell the peeps they’re eeebil for loving money, then (coincidentally) pass around the collection plates.
Religious fundies are hilarious. They get scary once they recieve some form of power. This picture is hilarious, and the caption adds to it.
So…”sports nuts” kind of sticks out. How does that even fit into the theme of this sign?
You’re right. When I saw “sports nuts”, my first thought was: “Is that a new kind of party snack mix or something? I’m going to hell for that?”
I give him props for the adorable clip art though, he takes his homework seriously.
Well, where I grew up, we referred to Vince Lombardi as “Saint Lombardi”. Maybe that’s the beef?
Or maybe the little weirdo had some extra space on his poster and couldn’t think of anyone else to whine about.
probably referring to gambling
Sports nuts….yep, classic sinners, right up there with “Lewd Women” and Mormons…this guy needs to get some really badly!
I should hope not. At least if he stays a virgin he will never breed.
Exactly! He’s just wacky enough that any children he had would be psychologically scarred, and just normal enough that CPS wouldn’t take his kids away. >.<
I thought the correct answer WAS Mormon.
That’s according to God, & you know you can’t trust him… he’s a buddhist
It is, Notice that he clearly separates them from false religions. under his definition he is going to hell.
No no, it’s a mixture of voodoo and methodist.
Am not!
That sign has ‘Child molesting homosexuals’ on it. What about child molesting heterosexuals? Do they not go to hell?
Ya, most child molesters are heterosexuals…
most people are heterosexuals, DAMN THEM ALL! /sarc
Yep, my friend was molested by her step father until she was 15. He’s got a special place in heaven according to this guy.
Yeah, I don’t know why his big sister would leave that wording off…
I thought child molesting homosexuals went into the priesthood, not hell! Learn something new every day…
As far as I hear, they claim to be heterosexual. Same as the men having sex in restrooms with each other. Apparently homosexual activity does not a homosexual make.
Which raises the question of what does make one homosexual or heterosexual? I no longer believe that either of them really exist — it’s simply a matter of group identification and semantics. Neither term is clearly defined, and there are so many corner cases that break what definitions we do have…
I think there exist people who are attracted to feminine traits, and other people who are attracted to masculine traits. But when it’s not always clear what sex a person really is, I think it’s hard to claim that sex-specific attraction is more than just in our heads.
The whole world is bisexual, with most people clustered on the ends of the hetero- and homo- poles.
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Wow, that sounds like a fun party!
That’d make a great song title–”The Whole World Is Bisexual.”
Sounds like some dirty poles. Like at the strip club.
That might be true, but I’m duct taped to the top of the hetero pole so hard. o _o
lol @ pole so hard
That might be true, but I’m duct taped to the top of the hetero pole so hard. o _o
lol @ pole so hard
Perhaps it’s to do with what society has come to expect from gay men. There’s a stereotype there (loves to redecorate, comment on fashion, adores showtunes, etc.) that perhaps they don’t wish to be associated with, though they crave the man-love.
*ahem* Not to put too fine a point on it, but pedophilia is a psychological disorder. Genuine pedophiles are compelled to engage in sex with children.
I don’t want to seem like I am defending them, or saying that what they do is ok. Not at all. But genuiniely, these people are pedophiles and cannot help themselves from doing what they do. I feel I have to add the caveat “In most cases, anyway”. They need help just like people with other psychological disorders. Gender Identity Disorder is one that is being more commonly accepted nowadays. People are born feeling they were born into the wrong gendered body and need help to attain some kind of balance with it. Some people change sexes. Some just live as the gender they feel they should. And so on.
In our society, sex with children is condemned, mostly due to Christian ethics. That is why pedophilia is not only a disorder, but one that disgusts most people. In many societies around the world, past and present, having sex with an adult was a rite of passage. It was also acceptable.
Again, by no means do I think people should go about molesting children. Not at all. I just can’t help but feel badly knowing that people who cannot help themselves, and know it is wrong, are condemned instead of helped.
No, I have no proposal on what “treatment” should be for pedophiles, it’s not my area of expertise. The only thing I do know for certain is any psychological or psychiatric disorder really has no “cure”. Only maintenance.
I’m not at all making light of anyone’s situation, and I really hope that I have not offended anyone. I just had to point that out.
I have to disagree. Their disorder may control who they’re attracted to, but it can’t compel them to act. It’s possible for anyone to control their urges, particularly in a case where acting is so obviously wrong.
It is possible to attain a matter of degree over the impulses, you are correct. But as with most mental disorders, it’s not something most people are cognizant of and it can compel them to act.
Consider the heroin addict who robs a store to get money to get more drugs. He knows the act is wrong, he knows the drug is wrong, but he is compelled to act on it.
Consider the person with OCD who must wash their hands 100 times a day. While not illegal, they are compelled to do it. They cannot simply “stop”.
Consider the depressed person who repeatedly tries to commit suicide. The disorder compels them to do it.
To attain a measure of control over your urges, first you have to understand why you have the urges. Then you must learn coping mechanisms. The vast majority of people simply cannot learn to “ignore” or “control” what their mind tells them to do.
The mind is a powerful thing and it can compel people to act on their urges, no matter how deviant they may be.
Well there still remains the issue of society versus the person. Compulsion or not, the heroin addict still goes to jail for their crimes committed for their compulsion to get heroin. A child molester will still be locked up for molesting children. You also can’t help a person who doesn’t want to be helped. If they seek help before they commit a crime, fine, I can accept that and usually society can too and get them that help.
If they just commit crimes and then fall back on compulsion as justification, then lock them up and be done with it. I have suicidal depression and I have avoided therapy. However, I take steps to keep myself out of that state of mind. I control my urges and my mental issues as best I can.
If my urges compelled me to hurt my children, I would do something about it before it happened. It is called personal responsibility. I realized that I had a problem and took steps to amend it. If I find myself outside of what I can handle, I will take further steps.
You are forgetting that not everyone has the same brain that you do. Not everyone is aware of their problems.
Ask a schizophrenic who is not on their medication and they will tell you they completely believe that their delusions are real.
Most people don’t know they have a problem until it causes a problem. Not everyone is like you, so it is unfair to judge them by holding them up next to you.
I quit using drugs on my own. Full blown addiction to cocaine, meth and alcohol. My husband cannot (on his own). It took me a very very very long time to accept that he is not me and I cannot expect him to behave and work like me.
Yes, people should be punished for their crimes. And people who genuinely want to be helped deserve help, whether it is before or after they commit a crime. Compulsion is not a justification for a crime, by any means. I did not say that at all. I think you are misreading me as this is obviously a hot button for you.
There are pedophiles in prison who desperately want to be helped. I have read cases where they have begged to be chemically castrated before being let out on parole and the judge will not do it. They have begged to not be let out because they know they will do it again, but they are released anyway due to the judicial system. Should we deny them help because they have already committed a crime?
Prison is supposed to help convicts rehabilitate to rejoin society. It does not do this. But the prison system is a separate issue.
A compulsion is a compulsion no matter what personal responsibility you put on it. I am well aware you cannot help a person unless they want to be, but that is not a justification to just give up on the group or problem as a whole.
If they seek help, they can get it. If they want further help after being released from prison, they can check into an asylum. They can also check into therapy. Your husband needed help and I assume he got it right? He went for it, did he not?
Begging for chemical castration wouldn’t help anyway. The compulsion is mental, doesn’t mean it will stop an attack.
Then again, perhaps you are talking to the wrong person. I believe certain people need to be removed. A rabid animal can’t help itself but that doesn’t mean we still don’t put them down if they are beyond help. Humans are no better or worse. If the cancer can be treated, fine. If not, remove it.
But this is something you cannot apply to a group as whole. It’s a case by case basis. If there is someone who is in prison for child molestation, shows no remorse, gets out on parole, does it again, shows no remorse; I agree. Cancer should be removed. If there is someone wanting, or begging or help, we should try to help them. If there is someone simply confused “Why do I want to have sex with children when all my friends want to have sex with our peers?”, we should help them.
I feel we are obligated as a society to help those who want it. Honestly, I don’t believe we as a society can help many people until we understand truly what mental disorders are. We are too caught up in our own predjudices and views of pedophiles, addicts, schizophrenics etc.; and in our own lives. We tend to think “well, I can do it, why can’t s/he?” Understanding is not the same as condoning. If you understand that this guy is in jail because he has this problem and he wants to be helped, then it’s easier to help him. If you see that this guy is in jail because he is “bad”, then it will be hard to help him because you cannot get over the judgement of “bad”; and may think he deserves to be there and rot there forever. Some people do, but not all of them.
Yes, they can get help. It’s not always easy though. The mental health system in this country is dismal. What I am trying to say is this needs to be recognized as what it is: a disorder. We should be trying to figure out ways to help them instead of saying they deserve to rot in jail. As we try to figure out ways to help people with other mental disorders.
My husband did get help, but it took many years for him to even realize that he had a problem that was beyond his control. Much self destruction and many legal problems. He is paying for his crimes and is also actively seeking help. This is an opportunity that should be offered to everyone. Pay for your crimes and seek help as well. Not just pay for your crimes.
And… Pedophiles are given those options. I don’t see where they aren’t. If they seek help, they can get it. They don’t need to be in jail to get help if they already served their time.
They can ask for help in jail. Do you have instances where they aren’t?
I don’t and I’m not meaning to imply that there are. Just that as a society at large, we don’t try to help them, only condemn them. Because, as a society, we do not understand mental disorders.
You started out by condemning them and are now agreeing with me that they should be helped if at all possible.
I still condemn them, to be honest. A pedophile isn’t necessarily a child molester. I have my moments where I am in the mood for young but Lynn in a schoolgirl outfit works just as nice. I assume my form of pedophilia is light as children are very safe around me. I only want them safe.
I know pedophiles who don’t act on their urges and are seeking help. My issue is with child molesters and I try to simply say Pedo when I shorthand type.
So you haven’t converted me at all. My views are still the same. I have no issue with a child molester going to jail or worse. I feel the same way about a murderer, mental disorder or not.
So then you have proven my point. If a pedophile commits a crime and becomes a child molester, they have lost their entitlement to help whether they want it or not. That is what I was getting at when I said should we deny them that help in prison or out of prison etc. For you, yes, we should because they committed the crime. Is that correct? After they commit the crime they lose entitlement to help?
I have no issue with someone committing a crime going to jail either. But just because they committed the crime does not mean to me that they don’t deserve to be helped.
When exactly did he say he opposed getting them help, if they’ll respond to it?
I’m kinda waiting for her to realize that. Weak willed or not, people are responsible for themselves. The world isn’t their hug box. Their actions create very emotionally scarred victims.
Also, I do believe I said they should get treatment inside or outside of prison if they will actually go for it or respond to it. Now Charro, you are just making stuff up.
“A child molester will still be locked up for molesting children. You also can’t help a person who doesn’t want to be helped. If they seek help before they commit a crime, fine, I can accept that and usually society can too and get them that help.”
Sometimes people don’t know they have a problem until it causes a problem. Some people don’t know that they need help or want help until they get locked up. After they commit the crime, what happens then?
“If they just commit crimes and then fall back on compulsion as justification, then lock them up and be done with it.”
I didn’t say compulsion was a justification. At all. If they commit a crime and realize it was a compulsion, what then? So they realize it was a compulsion and would like help. What then?
“Well, even rabid dogs and the wolfman get put down for their own good. Pedophilia or not, touch a child and your ass should be killed.”
So a pedophile commits the crime, becomes a child molester and gets locked up. Now he realizes he’s sick. What now?
That is where you said you are opposed to them getting help. AFTER they become a criminal. Sure you waffled on it and later said they can get help in prison or released, but your original statements show that you believe once the crime has been committed, one loses the entitlement to help.
Actually you can realize you have a problem before you commit a crime but that is call self awareness.
Also, while I amended my statements, I still believe they should get locked up for the crime. Period. No leniency. It isn’t like these laws are magically secret before they break them.
However, once locked up, I never said they couldn’t get help. As for killing them, well let’s say I am still sympathetic to a parent butchering the twit who harms their kids. I catch you touching my kids, there won’t be due process and I won’t feel guilty about their disorders. I may go to jail but them’s the breaks.
So take that as you will. It isn’t hard. Think before you act. Even with compulsions, we are still human and know right from wrong. For those instances where they are too incompetent to know right from wrong, they get locked up and treated as best as possible since treatment won’t help much anyway since they are incompetent.
Well, even rabid dogs and the wolfman get put down for their own good. Pedophilia or not, touch a child and your ass should be killed.
Rite of passage was for girls of an age very close to physical womanhood and they were prepared for it. Not even close to child molestation. Child molestation requires hunting down the prey and ambusing it or if it is close by, just ambushing it.
So no, your rite of passage point has no impact on the issue.
Did I say it did?
“In our society, sex with children is condemned, mostly due to Christian ethics. That is why pedophilia is not only a disorder, but one that disgusts most people. In many societies around the world, past and present, having sex with an adult was a rite of passage. It was also acceptable.”
I was disputing the point of including this bit. We already know why it disgusts us but you add the part about rites of passages in other cultures when the rites are completely different from the issue that disgusts us.
So if you didn’t expect it to matter, then why include it?
To point out that in a different society, this would be a non-issue. Our views are always shaped by the society we live in.
Other societies practice cannibalism and ritualistic killings as well.
Also, the rites of passage for girls close to womanhood – this would be a girl of 11 or 12. Womanhood in these cultures means ready to bear a child. Physically, a woman is ready to bear a child when she begins her menstrual cycles. Prepared or not, that falls into the category of pedophilia from a DSM-IV perspective.
Still it is an issue of preparing the children for the rite. It would still be an issue if a man just nabbed a kid and started screwing them. What happens there and what happens here are pretty much two different things.
Also, as human beings and advancement if you want to press how other cultures make it okay, other cultures also feel that kids are possessions as are women. But I don’t hear you stating that we should keep women as possessions in the country because of it. Hell in some cultures, you are not a man until you take a patch laced with bullet ants to the arm. Just because another culture does something as a ritual does not mean it should be tolerated here.
So while it may be apples and oranges to compare rites of passage to child molestation, it does not validate the practice. So I am wondering still how this helps your argument in anyway.
I did not say it should be tolerated here. Again, you are misreading me. I don’t even see where you get that I am saying it should be tolerated here. I believe I said, multiple times, in my original post that “I do not believe people should go about molesting children”.
Again, what I am trying to point out is that in this society, it is a mental disorder. Therefore it should be treated as such and given the same consideration.
In another society, as it could be an accepted practice to engage with sex with children, it would be a non-issue. Not in this society, and I do not believe it should be tolerated. Please stop twisting my words to fit what you want me to be saying.
It is being treated as a mental disorder. They can get treatment. It is given consideration but the crimes enacted are a good deal worse than what occurs with drug addiction so worse things happen.
So what more are you really asking for? I’ve already told you what they can do. They have options.
If I was a farmer with chickens and coyotes are about, I understand why the coyote wants chickens and that he can’t help himself. Still going to shoot him dead if he comes near them. Same thing with my kids. Yes, I understand compulsion, urges, yada yada. Get treatment, don’t expect mercy if you come for my kids or any kids for that matter.
So again, what is your point exactly cuz I am just not seeing it. You are stating things like they can’t get treatment when they can. Perhaps you actually need to have a point.
My original point was that pedophilia is a psychological disorder. People forget that and they just see child molesters as being evil people. Society, as a whole, does not recognize it as a mental disorder. That’s the end of it.
I was responding to Dash saying as far as he heard they “claim to be heterosexual”.
You took issue with what I said and have spent this thread trying to make me out to be some kind of pedophile lover who thinks they should all be free and wandering the streets willy nilly.
We already know it is a psychological disorder. So is a number of other mental illnesses that result in a truckload of crimes. Thanks for the obvious. What I took issue is how you were stating this wouldn’t be a problem in another society. I argued that it would and also that it wouldn’t matter about another society since that isn’t justification.
If you don’t like your points attacked, then don’t post them. I will call you on issues where you are conflicting with yourself.
Not everyone knows it’s a psychological disorder.
I don’t understand how you are saying I was conflicting with myself. So I didn’t write a whole novel in my original post on how societies shape our view of sex. My original post was to get people to think for a minute. If you don’t like my methods, that’s your issue.
You completely misread what I said and tried to say I was using it as justification to tolerate it in this society. That’s not attacking, that is non-comprehension.
I believe I have stated my point quite clearly.
No, since it only makes us dislike other cultures. Saying that another culture is doing something we hate and condemn and they do it normally isn’t a very good way to make a bridge there. It just brings up the fallacy of validating a practice because somebody else is doing it.
As for noncomprehension… reread what I posted. I attacked the point made and how it doesn’t help your argument since it neither justifies nor supports your claim. I didn’t state what you were out to let child molesters run free. I was stating that it was a point of your argument that didn’t help you in anyway.
It conflicted because you were saying crimes should be punished but in other cultures it wouldn’t be a crime. How is that not conflicting with itself?
And it’s sad that we dislike other cultures for doing things we find out of the norm.
Re read my post.. I wasn’t making any claim that it is or is not ok. Just pointing it out. Pointing out it’s a disorder, pointing out in other cultures it’s ok. That’s not a claim, just a “consider this”.
If it is conflicting with itself that is because humanity is conflicting with itself. It is not a fallacy to point out in other cultures something is ok if you are not making an argument for or against something. Again, it’s a “consider this”. The world is a vastly different place with vastly different cultures and we all have one thing in common: we don’t understand eachother. We don’t understand why this culture over here does this and why this person over here does that. I find it sad really. We as a culture don’t understand mental disorders. We condemn the people who have them, when they do something we as a culture don’t like. It’s very backwards of us.
It wouldn’t be conflicting if you were trying to say pedophilia is okay as it would create a precedent where it is okay and how it is treated. However, you aren’t saying it is okay, you are just showing us where they are okay with little girls being screwed as a rite of passage.
As for mental disorders and how they are understood, yes, that is a problem. However, they can and do get help when they go for it.
So unfortunatelly, all your “consider this” did was confuse the matter since you weren’t advocating it but were giving an example where the behavior you aren’t condoning is condoned.
That would be like me saying that I am against drugs and during my discussion, talking about a place where drug taking is just fine, then going back to talk about how it shouldn’t be condone.
Muddy the waters much? If anything, it was a distraction that took away from your point.
In this society. It shouldn’t be condoned. Those are the mores of this society.
I made a consider this statement, you took it way out of context and I simply agreed with you, crimes should be punished.
But I succeeded with my consider this statement, you thought about it. You took it way way way out of context, but at least you thought about it. That’s all I’m trying to do. Get people to think.
You say one thing and give an example of another. Then you come back with how you won because you were just trying to get people to think. I could have sworn you were trying to make a point about pedophilia, my mistake.
As for taking it out of context, what context were you actually going for? You keep saying it is to provoke thought but while it does provoke thought, it just distracts from your main point. Telling me that it is okay to screw little girls as a rite of passage in another society does not help build sympathy for child molesters on the whole who target boys and girls, a significant number of which are nowhere NEAR puberty.
So yes, you provoked thought and successfully distracted from your own point. Bravo.
*bows* Thank you.
It takes a certain level to be happy that you messed up your own main point but as long as you’re happy.
“Prepared or not, that falls into the category of pedophilia from a DSM-IV perspective.”
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Isn’t paedophilia strictly attraction to children of pre-pubescent (pre-menstrual?) age?
Ok, sorry, should’ve done my own research more properly before asking here. Wasn’t that hard to find on teh INTARWEBZ. Please ignore me. ;P
Child molesting = bad.
Killing = worse.
Correct- Pedophilia is a disorder- and should be subject to psychological help except (and I have a PhD in psych), they rarely respond to therapy or drug treatment- even castration will not eliminate the urges- sorry for this one, butthat is why lock them up- lock them up forever- someplace safe and rather nice, like Martha got- but away from all the children. And please please please think about the references to Catholic Priests- MANY are wonderful positive role models and community leaders- I had 2 of the BEST men in my life as priests growing up. I left the church for many reasons but not bc of these wonderful men. The true taint of this was the leadership that continued to enable the molestation- and the crime the then perpetrated on all the good men (one of my cousins is in seminary in Rome right now- he is a great kid, and truly has a calling) who are now afraid to chaperon dances or ski trips for fear of making the wrong impression- many left the priesthood bc of comments like this. Sorry- one of my soapboxes- having been raised by great priests- and if they were all like Fr. Don and Tom, well I would still be Catholic (but many bigots in the priesthood too- just like in humanity!
75% of all heroin addicts will die heroin addicts. Usually of a heroin overdose. Should we lock them up too or should we keep looking for a way to help them and integrate them back into society?
Look, all I am trying to say is you can condemn the actions of a person and still try to figure out a way to help them. If something is wrong with their brain, or whatnot, I feel it is our duty as a society and as human beings to try to help them. Not just throw them away. There is little understanding in this world about mental disorders. And even less compassion.
Heroin addicts are their own victims with maybe some accomplices. Child molestation has victims who are completely blameless. That is the big difference.
I am all for helping a pedophile stay away from kids but there is that little problem… Kids are everywhere. So I have the choice between protecting a pedophile from his urges or just protecting my kids. I choose my kids. Call me a barbarian if you like, I’m secure in my choice.
I’m not at all advocating we let child molesters or pedophiles or whatever we want to call them run around free all willy nilly. Not at all.
I am simply saying that we don’t have to throw out people whom we deem “unresponsive” to treatment. We could continue to try and find a way to “help” “treat” or “cure” them. If we threw away everyone who was “unresponsive” to treatment we would be a very small group of people.
There have been many advances in the treatments of mental disorders. I’m simply advocating the standpoint that this is one, like many others, that we should not give up on.
Yes, they are welcome to treatment away from kids. I believe I already stated that. We don’t treat a recovering heroin addict by not keeping them away from heroin.
Correct – you help the heroin addict learn to cope with their urges. In some cases we give them medication. In some cases therapy. In some cases in-patient treatment. We teach them how to alter their behavior and recognize their warning signs and triggers to try and keep them from using again.
And we try to develop new ways because the ones we have are not 100% successful. But we don’t throw them away because they are resistant to treatment.
No… We only imprison them if they commit a crime. Being a pedophile isn’t a crime. Being a child molester is.
If Pedobear attacks a kid, he will be punished. End of story. Treatment can come before or after. He will still pay for the crime.
I believe I stated this above. Crimes need to be punished.
Then let’s exam your checklist of points.
1. Crimes should be punished.
Well duh.
2. Pedophilia is a mental disorder.
Also duh, doesn’t make it any less abberant or “evil” for those with more dramatic flair to their thinking.
3. Treatment should be given.
Another duh, and they can even get it too if they ask. They can get it inside or outside of prison. Nobody is really stopping them. Also, whatever happened to self reflection in prison as a minor side note.
Do you have any other points since we have pretty much covered this?
Do you?
Not really, I feel crimes are to be punished and help given when asked. When it isn’t asked, it is their ass. However, I did ask you first.
Nope, my point was to get people to think. I succeeded jusdging by all your waffling.
*judging
Not really, look above. Getting me to clarify isn’t a success in changing my mind. It is just getting me to clarify.
F*ck getting them *treatment*. The only kind of treatment they deserve is to be castrated, stripped naked, staked over an ant hill and drizzled in honey. When an adult knowingly takes a childs innocence they deserve death. That child has to live with that for the rest of their life. You never get your childhood back….EVER. If I seem to take personal offense to this…you’re damned right I do. It makes me absolutely sick to my stomach to hear anyone even remotely sympathizing with a pedophile. Unless you have had to live with something like this, you have no clue. I am a survivor of sexual abuse and thank the good Lord, I’m not ashamed to talk about it with anyone. It took years to even be able to get the words out of my mouth. How willing would you be to just let them get the help they need if it was you, or even worse, your child? There is not helping those people. They are nothing short of monsters.
*no helping
Hah!
This looks like a fun game…Circle all the apply to you and add up the points!
…Sex Addict
…Pot Smoking Little Devil
…Sports Nuts (I only watch the Brewers and Packers…does that count?)
I get 3 points!
(I was really disappointed, I thought it said MONKEY LOVERS at first…but alas it says “Money”)
I got six points. I love this game!
Some of these are hard to qualify though. Take “lewd women” – does that mean someone who is very promiscuous or someone who had sex before marriage? And “rebellious women” could mean just about anything, and “witch” could mean Wiccan or “anything that’s not my brand of Christianity”…
CK – just put yourself in his shoes. A lewd woman is a woman who knows anything about sex that she did not learn from her husband. A rebellious woman is a woman who has no husband, or is not supported by her husband, or is otherwise “independent”. Witch you got right – “anything that is not my brand of christianity”.
7.5 points. (I am lewd, but not a woman)
I got a 5.
Actually, that’s not true. I lied I got a 4.
Oh, wait! Now it’s 5! SWEET!
And when they say “monkey lovers” do they mean people that are fond of monkeys, or people who “love” monkeys? Or was monkey a metaphor, and a monkey lover being somebody who masturbated a lot?
I could be going up to 6 here…
I think it’s supposed to be money lover, but monkey lover has that level of wtfness appropriate for the sign too…
*cough* I got 6…
Me too…wow, I didn’t realize just how horrible a person I am. *weeps in shame…no, I mean relief*
Whoops, I got 7.
I only got a debatable 1… I don’t know how to feel about that.
We established that the word is Money…not Monkey Lover..
I think you might be in the clear DWN!
I wasn’t counting that one since I don’t love money. I was counting sex addict as debatable as I could be a sex addict to some. The false religion is subjective but under his terms I am probably both a sex addict and falsely religious. I suppose I could claim money love which would net me Liar as well.
I could easily get to four if I cheated… XD
Perhaps you’re not counting “false religion?” I’m sure he thinks every faith and denomination except is is hellbound. That would bump you up to a debatable 2?
Debatable 2 but definite 1.
My score depends. I am not sure where I stand on the religion part. I’ve floated between atheism, wicca, other alternative spirituality. Do I get a point for each? If so, I may be at 5, If I only get a point for one, then 3.
Your vagina gives you an unfair point advantage in this game.
Yes it does. But we females are pretty much automatically evil to this kid if we do anything but serve as an oven for the his bun.
Now you are just flirting with me again…
It was the bad grammar, wasn’t it?
Nah, just mentally imaging your oven being bunned in general… >_>
Okay, perhaps I am a nondebatable 2 for False religion and sex addict.
What if it’s buns AND the oven?
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Sok, except for the liars, two faced people, child molesters and thieves, most of the things on this list aren’t really negatives. They just sound like an old cher song (gypsies tramps and thieves)
Plus, you could probably get a few half points for being in favor of lewd and rebellious women.
So up to a three then. Alrighty, my street cred is looking stronger.
Are we scoring “all technicalities count” like the old Purity Test, or awarding half-points for technicalities? Enquiring minds and all that rot.
Could make a big difference. I’m with Minerva on the religion thing so I don’t now whether to take one and two half-points or a full three. Of course I’ve lied, more than once, but not as a habit – full point or half? And I’m in an irish band, so…naaah, that gets me drunkard hands down. ;^)
I could be up as high as 8 here.
Ooooooo, you’re in an Irish band? Thanks for upping my lewd points!
I am indeed. Clicky the name for my band’s web site.
(Slan agat is Irish for the form of goodbye that’s said by one who’s leaving to one who’s staying behind)
Traditional or in the style of Flogging Molly?
Oh, Celtic.. Love it! I also like the Irish Folk Songs.. one my favorites is Irish Soldier Laddie.
I like “Rocky Road to Dublin.”
*swoons* I looove Celtic music. I play the fiddle a bit myself, but not well. I’m out of practice.
@slanagat: Y’all sound good, but I’m afraid that particular song will always belong to Shane MacGowan, for me.
That young lady has a great sound for someone so young; I’d love to meet someone with a voice like that who was, oh, about twice her age .
Which musician are you?
@rorho: Flogging Molly’s cover of “RRTD” is my current favorite song. I always put it in early when I take my mountain bike into the dust. It’s a perfect uphill song!
I’ve got a “Flogging Molly” station on Pandora that is about all I’ve listened to for weeks; it even beats my “Leftover Salmon” station.
I’ll be sure to check it out–Thanks! : )
Aw, guys, thanks for the uplift!
Ed – Yes, both, and the range in between. Sound samples on the web site and if you click through to Myspace there are five complete tracks to listen to.
Kuromisa – What part of the world are you in? There are enthusiastic amateur open Irish jam sessions happening all over the place if you know where to look, welcome to listen and join in when you feel ready.
PMark – I understand what you mean about the Pogues tune, but the canonical version in my head is actually Maggie Drennon with Six Mile Bridge (any Houstonians here? Remember Six Mile Bridge or Ceili’s Muse?)
I’ve been playing with Calley for about 5 years now and it’s been amazing watching her mature as a performer (minds OUT of the gutter guys!). She’s only 19, her best is still ahead of her.
And for the record, I’m the bodhran player and I do the male vocal leads. On the home page, the guy with the laughing skulls bandana.
Does your band ever get down into the DC area? The folk/celt-rock scene is pretty hot here, I can just about guarantee a crowd.
Wow, I guessed right slanagan! woohoo, my telepathy powers are 100% today!
And you can only do that if your married to him… I got 4 and if it’s monkey lovers then I got 5 WOOHOO.
wicca=lol
Wicca has some things that = LOL. I wouldn’t count myself a current practitioner, but the things I liked the most about it was the niceness of the people in the pagan community and their tolerance of others, particularly gays, and sexuality in general, etc. Especially compared to most other religions communities. Of their beliefs, I mostly was interested in their interpretation of the “golden rule” so to speak, and revering and respecting the gifts nature gives us. I’m a bit of a tree hugger, so I appreciate the natural world. There are other pagans on this board. I totally respect what they try to be about, even if they may go about it in a [traditionally] unusual way.
I like the liberal Wiccans, and will take any chance I can get to go to circles. They’re usually very friendly people, and any church that is attended “Sky Clad” is all right with me.
Indeed! Allowing nudity is the clearest way to let others know that there is no required dress code.
Feeling the need to “lol” and otherwise denigrate and scoff at other religions just because they are not yours only highlights your own lack of strength of faint in your own religion, I_tego. It’s much the way bullies only pick on others because they have no self esteem and need to put others down in order to build themselves up. I feel sorry for you that your faith in your own beliefs is so week that you feel you need to “bully” other religions in order to feel good about yours.
Well, we probably do look a bit silly to others, with the whole dancing-naked-in-a-circle bit, don’t we? Lady knows, I can handle laughter a hell of a lot better than baseless accusations of devil-worshiping and cannibalism.
Besides, he may have meant “the inclusion of Wicca in the going-to-hell sign = lol.” His statement is rather ambiguous, you must admit. I prefer not to jump to negative conclusions. That’s how flamewars start.
Wow. You’re really bad! I used to do some of the stuff on that sign, but I gave it all up. Now I just smoke crack. My score: O!!!
only 2 points
Me, too.
Heh, wow. 8 and a half.
I ended up with five. Not bad!
Well, i’m certainly lewd, but no woman, and while i’m not gay either, i wouldn’t say that i’m completely not-gay (long weird story) I’m neither a mormon nor a child molester or a racist and if i’m an atheist, is that a double whammy for “false religion” (would that be like the “triple-word score” of damnable sins?)…Let me just say that if i was Catholic and wanted to make confession, i’d need to find a priest with about a week to spare on his schedule to hear everything….I score “eleventy” on general principle
I get a 2.
or a 3, depending on how broad his view of Atheists is.
I think I’m a 3 or 4. I’m agnostic, which would probably put me in the atheist category. However I was raised Catholic, so I can check off false religions. Got the rebellious woman thing in the bag! I’m just unsure of the lewd women thing, since I’m single, can I get it for lewd thoughts? ‘Cause I have some dirty, dirty thoughs. ; )
Sure. I’d qualify you on that!
Lets see. . .
Only 5.5
I should try harder to be a bad person.
And get more interested in football or something.
I’ve got 3, debatable 4.
Let’s see, I get…. a definite 8, possible 9 if I knew what it was that’s circled in red. Can anyone else read that?
Six point five, y’all! (The point five is “witches” – I’ve been accused of being something that rhymes with witch…)
I only get five points. Hey, he’s not all bad: Racists are going to hell too! Now, I’m just plumb confused how to judge this kid.
1 or 2 points, depending on whether I am the liar in question.
Otherwise, I am only there as an atheist.
I think I got 11 points. I don’t currently smoke pot but have in the past, so I’m sure he includes me in that category. I only lie to, and steal from, right wing religious nutjobs.
Also, I prefer the term “alcoholic” to drunkkard. Sheesh.
As always in these situations I’m not sure if I should hold my head up high or hang it in shame.
Eh, I am who I am. No regrets here.
Wouldn’t God judge them for judging others?
I think belongs in Failblog.
Yep.
Romans 14, Judge not lest ye be judged.
This vocal minority gives the majority of christianity a bad name
I thought it was Matthew 7:1-2?
Statement about vocal minorities seconded. Most Christians are awesome people, but you’d never know it from looking at the fringe groups out there.
It is, but the entire chapter of Romans 14 deals with the same thing in greater detail.
True, but the “whatever you measure out to others will be returned to you” thing in Matthew 7:2 makes it pretty damned clear that harsh judgements are a BAD IDEA.
After attending many churches, I’ve found that Christianity is turning into this:
One big “Please fix my life so I don’t have to do it myself” meeting, or a bunch of hateful fanatics who contradict the entire religion’s purpose.
The % of -real- Christians is diminishing day by day. It’s sad.
Also, let he who is without sin cast the first stone… but not until I blow the whistle – even if they DO say Jehovah!
Please tell me this is a joke! : )
Alas, I fear not. I just pulled out of a storage space I had held for four years because the “Christian”–with a capital “K”–male half of the resident managers was abusively rude. My first encounter with him was after Christmas one year, when I asked him what Santa had brought him. “Santa don’t come to our house,” he sneered. “We’re Khristians.”
As the Blue Collar boys would say, “There’s your sign.”
(BTW, I was brought up as a mainstream Protestant and, though not active in the religion, I still hold to Jesus’ values as best I can.)
I like that spelling, for differentiation. It has a “KKK” ring to it.
That’s what my momma’s always called ‘em, “capital K Khristians.” Hmmm… and her family’s from South Carolina….
What happens if I know a guy NAMED Kristian? I don’t think his parents realized it’s such a curse.
No “h” after the “K,” so he’s good.
Indeed. Maybe Khristian will replace Xian in this sort of discussion soon?
I’m curious as to what the guy he’s talking to is saying…
“Wanna go back to my place?”
“Uh, sure. Ok.”
LMAO!!
What about us pot-smoking lewd women? We demand equal condemnation!
Where can I meet more women like yourself??
I too wish to be condemned! Perhaps we could become Sex-Addicts together!!
I think all of us pot smoking lewd women are here at PU. Heh.
She sounds rebellious, too!
Why do fundamentalist Christians focus on God’s judgment? Wasn’t God’s forgiveness the message of the new testament? This is just another form of revenge fantasy. To put this in Christian terms, we were created in God’s image. God has judgment, therefore, we do to. But God is also omniscient and has perfect mercy, which we don’t. Therefore, it is not our place to judge. When we judge, we are claiming, “My opinion is more valid than God’s.” When we make ANY moral judgment, we are placing ourselves above God. Discernment is different. We can discern what is helpful or harmful for ourselves, our family, and society without morally judging the situation. We can take action to correct harmful situations and promote helpful ones. If you lock someone up or kill them because you feel that is most helpful to society, that is one thing. But locking someone up because you want revenge is bad. You can not balance the universe. You can not make things right by inflicting an equal but opposite amount of pain.
Hi, Seth. Hope you’re well. See my note above. -R
Because religion is inherently divisive. Christian vs. non-Christian. Sect A vs. Sect B. Saved vs. sinner. Good vs. evil. Certain people get off on saying “Nyah nyah, I’m going to heaven and you’re not!”
Not necessarily. Not all religions believe you have to be “saved” from something. It’s pretty hard to argue that members of other religions are going to a hell you don’t believe in. Study some non-Abrahamitic religions plz, kthx.
I will never know the why of it myself, my friend. I am a vengeful bastard but at least I don’t claim God said so. I just believe that actions breed results.
Well said. Couldn’t put it any better. I am repulsed by the very loud minority claiming to represent the whole
Couldn’t you sort of sneak over there and take away their megaphone?
Im a big guy, I am not very sneaky.
BUt then they would simply shout louder without a megaphone
Argh, I can’t let another of your posts go by without attempting the punchline:
“How’s your husband, Henry FitzMatthew?”
‘Kay, I know it’s old. I just couldn’t let it slide any longer !
Very well said. Your post should be quoted every time a fundamentalist starts raving about “Personality type X is going to HELL!!”
Seth, I used to puzzle over this too, then I read some books by George Lakoff. Check out Moral Politics or Whose Freedom and things will start to make sense.
Ah, the Linguistics Wars. Generative Semantics, or Generative Syntax? Sorry, but I’m a Chomskyite. Not to say that Lakoff is an idiot, but I don’t think he understood what Chomsky was getting at. Chomsky never said that syntax and semantics are independent. Of course, they are both much more interesting when they apply their linguistic and cognitive ideas to politics.
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Just FYI, sometimes when someone asks, “I wonder why…” they actually have a pretty good idea why, and are just trying to stimulate interesting discussion. Personally, I subscribe to the Toltec tradition of ‘moral judgment is a mental virus,’ which is not that different from Lakoff’s ’strict father’ paradigm, but goes further in explaining how and why the idea spreads. You may want to read ‘The Four Agreements’ for a modern take on the Toltec tradition. For a really interesting read, try the book that Robert Anton Wilson recommended to me when I met him at DisinfoCon, “Saharasia” by James DeMeo. James was a student of Wilhelm Reich, if that tells you anything.
Thanks for the reading list – I’ll check out your suggestions. I guess I have a narrower interpretation of Lakoff’s ’strict father’ paradigm: if you smack your kid enough he’ll grow up to confuse ‘authority’ or ‘leadership’ with ‘head smacking’ and always be looking for somebody/something to punish him.
Anywho, speaking of the Toltecs – how about that 13th baktun of the Mayan long count? I figure we’ve all got 3 years left now …
Hehe. Mayan calenders, LOL. I did DMT with Terrence McKenna right before he died from brain cancer. Well, not WITH him, he was in no shape for that. We were at the same party. Smart guy, but he just goes to show what a few too many potent hallucinogens will do to your ability to tell the difference between your wacky fantasies and the objective world of reality.
“With Terrence McKenna” is a Win! but I don’t know about the dmt. Though, if I’d had a chance to trip with Timothy Leary, I would have jumped at it no matter which drug it was!
This was New Year’s eve, 1999. The party was on the big island of Hawaii, at my friend’s incredible Frank Lloyd Wright house. She held all kinds of wacky seminars and things there, so the guest list was… interesting. She called it a ‘Masquerave’ hehe. Terrence’s brain cancer was in remission at the time, he’d just gotten some weird new ‘gamma knife’ treatment. His wife Kathleen was there too (she’s quite a bit younger than him. And hot!) We were all there early, as friends of the hostess, which is good because Terrance got tired pretty quick and had to go to bed. It was Mark Pesci (the guy who invented VRML) who ended up guiding a few of us on the trip at dawn. It was the second time I’d done DMT, but the first time it was a low dose of NN DMT. This was a high dose of 5-MEO DMT . Now, NN was the stuff Terrance mostly talked about. It’s very visually trippy. 5-MEO is less visual, but more spiritual. Imagine the opposite of a blackout. A whiteout. It comes on in about 5-10 seconds, and lasts 10-15 minutes. Mark called ‘thermonuclear communion with the divine.’ That’s reasonably accurate. Your sense of self is literally blasted apart. Every sense is hallucinating, with 5-MEO it’s mostly your sense of time and self. ‘You’ aren’t there anymore, it is undifferentiated experience. Not experience of something. Not experience by someone. Experience. Everything happening to everyone all at once, forever. If you aren’t prepared to give up your sense of self, individualism, and identity, it can be bad. One guy I know woke up convinced he was dead, and that the afterlife was an exact duplicate of his real life. He was pretty depressed for a month.
I used to get glimpses of that when I did acid twenty years ago. It’s about the only insight I took away from those experiences that has stayed true even when sober: truly, we are infinitely interconnected with the universe and all tings in it. It’s strange that there should be many avenues, chemical and spiritual, that will lead to that experience.
It’s hard to put into words that mean anything to someone who hasn’t had that experience though. You can say, ‘we are infinitely interconnected with the universe and all tings in it.” and I know what you mean, but on the other hand that could imply that ‘we,’ ‘the universe,’ and ‘all things in it’ are separate and distinct things in their own right, even though they happen to be interconnected. Dualistic thinking is hard to overcome. Language itself is dualistic in nature.
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It isn’t strange that many things can lead to non-dualism, as we all startged off thinking in completely non-dualistic ways. We develop a model of the universe and a model of ourselves, but most of us get lost in that model, mistake it for the real world, and can never get out. We don’t see the world, we see our ideas and fantasies about the world. The intellect imagines itself captain of the ship of self, but it isn’t. The intellect and self concept become stressed, being in a position they were never intended for. It’s natural for the intellect to be frightened of stepping down, as that is imagined as a kind of death, but at the same time, the intellect suspects that it is way out of its league and really doesn’t want to be the boss.
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I feel that these kinds of experiences (as remembered afterwords) are a sort of ‘cover’ for what is really going on: a complete reorganization of the internal framework. The ‘whiteout’ is really the brain shutting down the consciousness as it reorganizes its internal map.
Is it the kind of thing that everyone should try at least once?
If you are spiritually prepared to die, yes. In a controlled setting, with an experienced guide.
Okay. The way you two are describing it, it sounds like a very cool thing to experience once. Maybe twice. My cousin’s offered to help me out when I do want to try. : )
In my jaded experience, if you have to use a chemical to reach a truth about yourself and the universe, you most likely just chemically reached the answer you wanted not the answer you needed.
There is no ‘truth’ to reach about yourself or the universe. Duh.
LOL, exactly.
Here’s my take on it: non-believers refuse to submit themselves to the same authority and code-of-conduct as the believer. This casts doubt on the believer’s decision, in turn making the believer very, very angry. (Angry for a host of reasons, especially if the believer holds any status or power within his/her hierarchy.) The believer satisfies this anger by pronouncing “God’s” judgment on the non-believer. If this should bring the non-believer into the fold, then all the better, as this is seen to reinforce the believer’s choice.
God of love made into God of fear.
Dear Proselytizers: More Beatitudes. Less Leviticus. =)
heehee
You’re awesome. Great explanation.
What do the two circled parts say? I can’t read it! And is that a clown picture on the top right?!?
I think the top circle says rebellious women? Can’t make out the other one.
The bottom circle says: “Pencil Neck Weak Kneed Godless Men,” I believe. (link-larger photo)
Ah, the inherent sexism. Men are to be condemned if they aren’t strong, women are to be condemned if they are.
I always found that painfully disturbing but then again, I revere women in my own devious ways.
Wow. That one’s four points all on its own!
Mommy made him put that on the sign because she was mad at Daddy. He made it smaller because, well, uh…
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I’m laughing at all of this, because the only religious whack-job I’ve ever known well used to go door-to-door, spreading the Word of God. Her husband joined her, too–between jail stints, that is.
It might be “gutless men”. Hard to see…
I think you’re right–”Gutless” would be more consistent with “pencil-neck” and “weak-kneed” than “Godless.” Good catch!
Oh no! Look out for those mormons!!
Joseph Smith will hit you with the seer stones!
(Dum dum dum dum dum)
Loved that episode!
STONE THE SPORTS NUTS!!!
*braces for onslaught of stones*
Great, now a bunch of pot smokers is loging on to ESPN.
This is funny, in a sick way. I could see it captioned “Jim Jones–The Early Years.”
Actually, it looks a little like a young Ralph Reed to me.
I’M NOT READY FOR THE KOOL-AID JIM!
jim jones gives me the heebie-jeebies.
Nah, Jones was more a communist than anything actually religious.
That’s funny, I never thought about it before, but the combination of faith healing and communism is interesting.
I’m guessing Fred Phelps.
Damn, I happen to like lewd and rebellious women. I am not sure if I qualify as a sex addict. Boobies. I mean, it isn’t like I think about it all the time. Double Penetration. Nope, not constantly thinking about sex at all. Girl on Girl. I take offense that I might considered a sex addict by a guy who couldn’t get laid in a morgue. Nipple.
Hmmmmm, I could have sworn I heard someone say my name. Must have imagined it…
I am not sure. Jugs. Could have been the wind. Blow me. I suppose it might depend on your nickname. Bend over and call me daddy. Then again, perhaps your imagination is just going into overdrive. Swallow.
Besides, swearing is a bad habit. Naughty Teacher making the grade. Anybody else have twitching thighs? Horny.
Man, there it is again. Now I know someone is talking to me!
Crazy isn’t it? Suck it. They have to be around here somewhere… RIDE IT!!!
Oh look, time for me to go home. Bye now. Hot wax.
I noticed that “pedophiles” didn’t make the list. Maybe his “other daddy” made the sign for him?
It did make the list!
“Child Molesting Homosexuals”
If you molest children of the opposite sex, you’re in the clear apparently!
*cringe*
Whew! I was just about to call that nice young man who hangs my Christmas lights. I’m glad you let me know it’s still okay to give him a tip! ; )
So I’ve started a business hanging Christmas lights…
I wonder if you might be interested in my services?
Dunno. Are you old enough to shave?
I love how it says just “Liar.” Not liars, plural. No, there is exactly one liar out there who’s going to hell, and he’s read my sign that says so. ;P
Ya, I thought to comment on that but you did it rather nicely. I wonder who that one liar is and if it is a personal greivance.
It was me…
I told my Mom I was at the Library! I confess! I was at a party smoking pot, drinking, and trying to pick up lewd women!
As long as I ask forgiveness I’m all good right?
You are in such deep shit…
You’re screwed…
Being screwed isn’t so bad
Yep, I could certainly think of worse things to be!
Point taken.
That must be what that poor kid in the photo did, and this is what Mommy made him do for atonement.
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I’m not getting the “false religions,” “witches” and “Mormons” business. From little dood’s POV, wouldn’t that all be covered under “false religions?”
Well, the false religions is next to a shape that sort of looks like a buddha, so maybe those aren’t false religions (like Buddhism), just wrong ones.
Thank you for clearing up that “false” vs. “*truly* wrong” business.
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Am I the only one who noticed NO MISSPELLINGS???
Maybe he used spell-check? Or maybe it just goes with the hair and buttoned-to-the-neck shirt!
I don’t know about Mormons, but witches would be separate. There are still a lot of fundamentalist-type movements that take the whole “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live” thing seriously. So he’s not really looking for Wicca, more for someone dancing around naked in a forest trying to contact Satan.
Of course he’s still a bloody looney.
Anyone who thinks people actually worship a personification of ultimate evil and suffering is a bloody looney IMO.
I tried that once. Satan showed up, screamed, and said “Dude, put some clothes on!! I thought there were gonna be hot naked chicks.”
I told Satan he can’t be that picky.
“…and MORMONS”?!?!
What the heck?! What did we do? Why are they mad at us?
The best is that we’re listed right after “pot smoking little devils”.
Silly Mormons. The Christian Right’s always going to think you’re freaks. Hmm, remind me to go to Rochester, NY and do some digging.
It’s actually Palmyra, NY where Joseph Smith came from. It’s a dinky little place about 1/3 of the way to Syracuse from Rochester. I’m up here in Rochester. We’d rather be famous for George Eastman or something. Maybe even Taye Diggs or Phillip Seymour Hoffman.
I had a mormon try to stall me as I was walking to my car in my driveway to try and convince me to be a mormon. They gave me pamphlets and books. I blame your religion for making me late to class and cluttering the front seat of my car.
There’s also that polygamy thing, which is kind of weird to anyone, regardless of religion.
Of course I say all this in jest. (But really, polygamy? Cmonn..)
Lynn and I have a girlfriend together, isn’t too weird. Though I would wonder what is up with having over 11 spouses. That would drive me out of my damn mind.
But polygamy plus women not supposed to have outside jobs? In this economy? Dayumn.
And let’s not overlook the squicky age thing with the FLDS types…
*daydreams about how nice it would be to have a girlfriend with my wonderful fella…*
Too many women in one household is just asking for trouble though – most of us get a little crazy (maybe mildly homicidal) once a month, and a who load of women together would sync with each other… woe betide the man who didn’t think to order in 50 crates of chocolate THAT week!
oops – that should have been “whole load of women”
Robert A. Heinlein used to say “The Chinese pictogram for ‘trouble’ is ‘two women under one roof’!”
That’s actually true.
My fiance and I date together too. I figure that polygamy is like everything else; fine in moderation, but it’ll screw someone over if you go too far. The reason the fundamentalist Mormons were getting in so much trouble is that they were forcing 12-14 year old girls to marry 40 year old men.
But of course, according to our buddy with the sign, that’s okay since they’re not forcing 12-14 year old boys to marry them.
My wife and I date other people. We identify as polyamorous, which is different from swinging in that the focus is on relationships, not sex. Not that the sex is lacking, just that it’s less casual than swinging. She’s been dating her currnt boyfriend for almost a year. It helps me that he’s a total geek and we get along pretty well. But she’s had to pull back because, well, he was raised Mormon. And he has this subconscious attitude towards women, like he’s always demanding that she fetch stuff for him and he doesn’t like it when she talks too loudly. As for me, I haven’t found anyone I’m really interested in yet. But we’re relocating to Seattle soon, and my polyamory discussion group back in Hawaii kinda made Seattle sound like the Mecca of polyamory, so I’m hopeful.
The mainstream LDS Church (the people traditionally called Mormons) has official disavowed polygamy. So, it is somewhat unfair to criticize Mormons for a practice that they don’t follow.
*officially
Oh, I’m not saying that all Mormons believe in polygamy. I’m just saying it came with the establishment of the religion itself. Which is a bit odd to me.
I don’t think Christianity ever began with something considered sinful and then said “You know what? I think we were wrong on this one.” And then abolished it.
Along with the establishment of Mormonism, was the idea that all blacks were evil.
Didn’t happen that way with Christianity either.
I’m just saying.. the foundation of Mormonism is a bit shaky to me.
Neither belief (Polygamy=good, Blacks=evil) was originally part of the LDS religion. Polygamy was introduced around when they settled in Utah, I believe, and was probably more because of gross gender imbalance (way more female than male members at the time) than any real religious reason. The LDS church has since rejected the idea, whether because it no longer made sense, or because it wasn’t acceptable in western society.
The inhumane treatment of dark-skinned Americans was more likely just because of the underdeveloped ethical standards of the time. While the LDS scriptures may suggest that African peoples were descended from “sinners”, I don’t believe it was ever an official Mormon claim that they were inherently evil. Some people (within or without the church) may have made that connection themselves. I haven’t thoroughly researched the issue, however.
While on one hand, a religion changing its stance on something doesn’t say much for its alleged divine inspiration, I’d say it’s better than sticking to your guns on something that becomes increasingly clear is wrong (like the Catholic treatment of people with alternative sexuality)
Not just Catholics there. Most Christian denominations denounce homosexuality and other things once known as perversions by society.
I meant “we” as in Rochester, not we mormons. I am pretty much atheist/agnostic depending on the day.
It’s kind of like high school: you try to imitate the cool kids so that they like you but in the end they know you’re freaks.
Remind me to do some digging the next time I’m in Palmyra, NY.
I think it’s cuz you think that Adam was God. And all the skeery temple stuff too.
Well, that and the fact that all Mormon men have 11 child brides.
Mormons don’t think that Adam was God.. and “skeery”? What? Their temples function like any other holy religious temple. It’s sacred to them, much like stupas and pagodas are sacred to Buddhists.
Um, google “Adam-God Theory” and see what you get. Also, Mormons don’t let non-Mormons in their temples, where they do skeery things like baptize dead people, including holocaust victims who they aren’t supposed to baptize. Last I heard, Buddhists don’t do that kind of stuff.
You fail at knowledge.
Have you ever considered that perhaps what you are reading is mere propaganda or that maybe its wrong? Is your opinion the only one that matters? And if they don’t allow nonmormons into their temples then how the hell do you know that they baptize dead bodies and all that bull shit you just spout? I’m not Mormon, I’m actually an agnostic, but what you said was so ignorant, arrogant, and just filled with the damn non logical knowledge that makes America the laughing stock of the whole world at large. You should be ashamed of yourself, you bigoted sycophant.
Now, that being said, this dude is F-ing scary. oO, I pride myself on the fact that I went around and studied a bunch of religions before I settled on one, and thank my mother for supporting me through that time and not pushing her own form of religion on me. But this… this is the thing that breeds the black beast of hatred which our country and entire planet strive to behead.
I score like… a seven on that game though.
i’m a little proud of myself.
Do some research – google anything I mentioned. You fail at knowledge too. BTW, I love Mormons and have nothing at all against them or their beliefs. They just go in for some funky stuff.
haha oh dear… ever thought that maybe, just maybe, google can be wrong? you have to consider your sources. And to say someone fails at something as general as knowledge is both highly condescending and shows your true ineptness at being able to think outside of your own little box of a world. People like you make me disappointed in the world at large. How can you contradict yourself so powerfully as to say “I love Mormons” when you just said they were scary and that they do things that you don’t know are true or not. I’ve been in a Mormon temple, thank you very much, I know several, two of which are in my close circle, that’s why I’m so offended by your off handed rebuttal of not only their faith but also of their character as human beings.
You should be ashamed that your sense of self seems so inflated. I, as an agnostic, am offended by your statement. I’m not offended by this kids sign, because I find it funny, but generally by you. Just because something is said on the internet doesn’t make it true. Seriously, how juvenile can you get?
My entire point was that Mormon temple rituals may be offputting to people of other religions who don’t understand them. If you did some actual research as I suggested instead of whining at me, you would understand what I was talking about.
And if you’re so easily offended then you should stick to lolcats or go someplace else more benign – this is a political humor site. If you don’t know how to use google, then please go to your library and do some reading.
An agnostic that ’settled on a religion’? Can someone get me a translator for this please…
Yeah, that and other things. I’m too old to argue with high school kids – I ‘m giving up on this one.
Well… In a way it could make sense – it’s easier to be undecided about a god and religion if you decide which god and religion to be undecided about? Most people i know who would say they’re agnostic are so in a specifically Christian way.
I dunno how that works, really, just trying to help. ;oP
Yeah, and seemingly it’s okay to be a pot smoking devil, as long as you aren’t “little.”
There’s another picture somewhere in Pundit Kitchen that had this caption, “This man is so far back in the closet he can see Narnia” I believe that caption also applies to this kid.
He does indeed seem “beyond the lamp-post”, as it were
I know its easy to make fun of this guy, but what part of his message is not truthful? I see that some of you take the individual items and make fun of them, but what he says is true. And I would say he can stand before God with that virginity, and be thankful. And I hate to disapoint you, but married people have fun too.
As far as some of the things I see you complaining about, lewdness and such, they are in the Bible. Sports nuts refers to people who put sports before God, and therefore make it an idol. Some of his comments are over simplified, to make them fit a simple sign, but this is not judgement, as some of you say. Yes, God plainly offers forgiveness, but you must be repentant. It’s not just “asking.” And the things on the sign, while lawful to the Christian, God himself said that the people who chose these thing, just don’t have his spirit, and therefore are not born of God. While you are busy griping about this guy judging, remember you are playing the hypocryte, judging yourself. And yes, there are ALWAYS religious nuts who try to live legalistic, and brow beat others into it. The Bible talks about it repeatedly, the difference between the real believer and fake. IE Cain and Able, Jacob and Essau, Peter and Judas, Paul and Apallos, Moses and Balim, and many more. John the Baptist called the organized religion of the day a nest of vipers.
Call him all the names you want. He is trying to do the right thing, not just living a life of self indulgence.
I self-indulged in your mom last night.
The only thing that can be, while assuming you meant that literally, is that you are a masturbating foetus.
This gives you a score of at least 1 on the board.
If he’s trying to do the right thing, he found a really horrible way to do it.
Where is Uncle Fester?
Hello! UF has been off doing stuff in the ‘real world’…
Getting tired of playing whack-a-mole with idiots… you know how it is.
and Carolinaguy is a Christian crap bomber… comes in, craps, leaves a bad smell…
Not actually worth the the steel.
Maybe you should learn how to spell Abel’s name right before you start preaching to us. Thank you for your thoughts though.
You read through his comment that far? Awesome. I had to go back and look to find it.
And you have never had a typo?
The “right thing”. Uh, sure. Standing around on a campus condemning everyone he’s been told to condemn. A clear condemnation of Buddhists and Wiccans (both religions having been around longer than Christianity and both based in the idea that one should not cause harm to fellow creatures) is the “right thing”? Not by a long shot. I wish there were a lot more folks in this world who adhered to those ideals. We’d all be far better off…
But then I guess I’m one of those “rebellious women” he hates. Go me! Thinking for myself for over 4 decades now. W00T!
Haha. Go us! XD
… I hate to think what this guy will expect of his wife. -_-
Meet me in my office, young lady and we will discuss your disciplanary action. You wooted and talked back to a man. That’s a paddling…
Catch me first! Hahahaha!
****Zooooom*****
*grabs rope and chases*
As a nice little counterpoint, what part of his message IS truthful?
Sure, everything on that board can be related to the bible in one or multiple places, but not everyone has accepted the bible as truth.
I do admire his courage, and I do respect his free speech, but I do not agree with what he has to say.
I guess that I don’t believe that anyone has the right to tell me how to live my life, until that person has won at life by following their own advice.
So basicly you are condemning him because he doesn’t agree with you. Wow, I thought that is what you were accusing him of. And I guess you don’t think bad things of child molesters, hetero or homo?
And none of us know if he is following his own advice or not. And say what you want about me, but I assume the best about all people, even those I know to be doing wrong. That is Biblical, by the way.
No. I can’t speak for cobrajoe, but most of us are condemning him for being ridiculous. He does have some good points–racists and child molesters being two of them (even though specifying “homosexual” was a bit much); however, tarring “rebellious women,” “sports nuts,” and Mormons with the same brush is intolerent and laughable. That’s why most of us are making fun of him.
What is so ridiculous about having a moral standard? And he does have some good points, and some I disagree with, which you can find somewhere in all my posts on here. I agree grouping homo with child molesters is overly simplifying. But there is a commonality between the two. But not all are both.
Rebellious women, the Bible speaks against them.
Sports nuts, when you put something before God it becomes your idol and God.
Mormons, just don’t follow the Bible.
That doesn’t mean that we condemn them, but having a public standard is not condemnation. How many of you ever thought that maybe he cared enough about people to warn them of coming damnation?
Maybe he thinks you are rediculous. But you would judge him for that. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, as long as it agrees with you.
All that assumes that everyone follows your belief system, while common sense and modern times tells us that this is far from the truth.
“Doing the right thing” seems, to me at least, to be an awfully subjective idea.
I noticed you didn’t mention the rebellious women CarolinaGUY. Please justify the rightness of that to me. Please. I can’t wait.
Now, Jane–Don’t you think you could ask your little question in a more diminuitive way? There’s a good girl…
You girls are going to sprain my paddling hand.
If that comment makes me giggle, does that tip me over into the lewd category?
*stamps LEWD on your forehead* Yep.
Well… I DID say please : P
(I’m not answering you, because I don’t speak to lewd women.)
That is one of the things that is overly simplified to fit the sign. And to tell the truth, men and women both have rebelled against nature, and it is now an age where women rule. Most probably he is addressing women being subject to thier husbands. And I understand a lot of women not liking this, as the legalsitic type religious nuts I refered to abuse this. They leave out all the scriptures about how a husband is supposed to treat his wife. (Nourish and cherish, as though she was his own flesh) (And MANY others)
If you don’t believe the Bible, fine, but don’t condemn him because he has a belief. Say what you want, but since the so called “liberation” of women, society and the world have slowly and surely gone to hell. And just for giggles, do you know that the Bible says that the wife is to guide the house? Kinda like the sgts running the army.
And be sure to check your condemnation at the door. You were just waiting for me to be an abusive man. You judged all Christians to be so.
For someone getting on his high horse about judgement your certainly made a few. I don’t believe I said one word about Christians, nor have I lumped all Christians in with this nut, so claiming I did is a judgment of me. See how all this judgement gets out of hand? Kind of hard to stay on your moral high ground now. Let’s see, what else did you say…
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“it is now an age where women rule”
Really? I guess that’s why we make something like 82 cents on the dollar. If we rule, I say we ladies ought to give ourselves a payraise.
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“since the so called “liberation” of women, society and the world have slowly and surely gone to hell”
I would laugh at this if I didn’t know you meant it. I don’t suppose you feel like, oh I don’t know, providing some EVIDENCE that women and their “liberation” (see above pay point) are to cause for the world’s current problem.
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I wasn’t waiting for you to be an abusive man, for someone calling us to the carpet for our “judgment” you seem to jump to a lot of conclusions. What I WAS waiting for you to do, since you seemed to dead set on defending the above nutjob, was to justify how ALL of his denouncements are inherently “right”. Your comments have proved your character to all the people reading. I pity your wife, if you’ve managed to con some poor soul into marrying you.
The rate of pay has nothing to do with ruling the world. That is just an ignorant argument. When it comes to choosing what movie, where for dinner, 99% of everything else, women chose it. Men have become emacsulated.
Please note that I pointed out scriptures on CHERISHING your wife. And thank you, I love my wife, and most of her friends are jealous of the way I treat her. She is my queen, and comes before everyone but God.
And while all my statements may not apply directly to you, but the conversation in general. And you people need to read the rest of the scriptures you talk about. We are told we will be judged by the way we judge others, not that we can NEVER make a judgement call. And most of you would break that rule of judging when it comes to a child molester. Plain and simple, you just draw the line in the sand in a different location.
And if you read my original post, I am not so much defending the “nutjob” (ooops, YOU just judged someone, guess you’re going to hell) as pointing out that he has the right to publicly proclaim his belief just as much as any of you.
But you all comdemn him, and mock him. A bunch of judgemental hypocrytes.
And I did say that some of his individual items were overly simplified. Not all homosexuals are child molesters, nor are all child molesters homosexual. But hey, there is only so much room on his sign. And personally, I disagree with his method, but mocking him is worse than what he is doing.
wait, what? go back to the beginning there. picking what movie i want to see and where to do for dinner make me rebellious? i thought that was called “decisive.”
It’s easily OBSERVED, not JUDGED, that he’s judging others, and doing it against God’s will. Yes, a lot of the things on his poster are preached as being bad things. But not once has anybody said that these things are inherently good to do, which is what you are claiming.
I challenge you to quote me a bible verse that says “Stand in the streets and tell everyone that in the name of God they are going to hell.”
Ever heard of a modern day pharisee? “People who are stricter than the accuser in their judgments of saved and lost.”
That’s what this kid is.
In Matthew 16:6, Jesus Christ warned the disciples, “Watch and take heed from the leaven of the Pharisees…”
Jonah 1:2 *sorry but you asked*
However alienating people is the wrong way to go. It’s like saying “I’m glad that you’re going to Hell and I don’t want you to be saved.”
Matthew 7:5 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. We are all sinners and it is stated plainly in the bible that we are not to point out other people’s sins. It’s arrogant and prideful. I completely defend his right to do this, but that has everything to do with our constitution and absolutely nothing to do with my religious beliefs. I personally find it very sad when people try to use God to strike fear into people. That is not the way you bring someone to God. No one has the right to judge anyone else…period. Everyone sins and that is between them and God. There are people on this board with a myriad of different beliefs and it is their God given right in my humble opinion to have those beliefs without anyone else trying to browbeat them about it. I may differ from their beliefs but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s none of my business. You call people hypocrites for judging this kid, but aren’t you just judging them in return?
Uggghhh…that’s Matthew 7:5. Not sure where the extra 5 came from.
That would be the part where he, and apparently you, ignore God’s command that you are NOT fit to judge others. See to the planks in your own eyes. Try actually following the example and life of Jesus Christ, dear. There is no way Jesus would ever have strapped a sign like that to his own self and HE is supposedly GOD himself. But you think that you and this little boy, mere mortals, have more of a right to judge others for their sins that Jesus Christ himself had? Wow, have fun burning in hell for that massive ego!!!
Try reading Galations 5. Where it gives the definition of how to tell what spirit some one serves. That is given so we can ignore them? I think not.
And I have yet to see that he is pointing out an individual. Just making a public statement. And yet you condemn him, and me because I say that the things he is talking about are true.
And you are wrong. Jesus spoke up publicly several times about people’s sins. You don’t remember him beating people at the temple with a whip?
Check your own ego at the door before you so hyprocryticaly call others a hypocryte. And it’s beam, not plank.
Ignore? No. Don’t ignore. Witness without judgment. Separate the helpful from the harmful, but do not place a moral value on them as ‘good’ and bad.’ That is NOT your place. You are not fit to judge others, you lack God’s mercy and you lack His omniscience. By claiming you ARE fit to judge, you are claiming that YOUR judgment of a person or situation is more important, and more valid than God’s.
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We aren’t condemning or judging you, we are pointing out how your behavior is harmful to you. When you judge others, you also judge yourself. When you judge yourself, you reject God’s forgiveness and love. When you do that, you are in hell, by your own choice, with yourself as the devil that you can not escape from.
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On a last note, that one time Jesus got really pissed, what was that about? And what do we, as a culture, worship above all else these days? We worship the moneylenders. Why did usury stop being a sin?
I see CG — so Jesus didn’t defend the woman in the square from being stoned? Odd, how you forget the parts of your own religious text that don’t fit into your prejudices. Jesus drove men out from the temple with a whip because they were conducting business in God’s house. And again, dear, HE was the God, himself. YOU are not. Nor is this brainwashed judgmental child. It is not for you to judge your brothers and sisters, it is for you to love them and treat them as you want to be treated. God will sort out the rest. Again, have fun burning in hell with your ego driven claims that you are fit to determine and judge whom God will condemn and whom He will save.
Hey Dee Dee Dee (Carolinaguy): It depends on the translation. Beam = plank.
There are numerous versions of the bible. I copied and pasted directly from an online bible the quote from Matthew 7:5 and it plainly stated plank. I guess only your version of the bible is correct. I’ll make sure and notify all of the other printers of the various bible versions that they are wrong.
GREAT! I’m glad you did your research, and found that all but the KJV have been tampered with. Good Job.
And this conversation in general judges this guy, but they “observe.” He is observing others.
And I GLADLY point out Jesus saving the woman being stoned to death. But notice, she changed her ways. She didn’t try to make excuses and justify them. She knew they were wrong, and changed.
And I just love how all of you who are supposed to love even those who are wrong so proudly condemn me to hell. Hypocrytes.
Whoa! KJV only… and he still can’t spell hypocrite…
Galatians… that’s two typos… haha haaaaaa
Hypocrite… that’s three… haha haaaaaa
and it’s a log…
“I know its easy to make fun of this guy, but what part of his message is not truthful?”
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Ehm. For a very specific definition of truth, sure.
Was any caption necessary? The picture alone makes me ROFL.
the caption is funny, but i think it might be even better as just a stand-alone image.
i love the “and MORMONS!”
Yeah, I guess he feels that the Former-Day Saints are getting shafted…
There’s an issue this brings up for me. The orthodox Christian view is that you
are to accept the gift of salvation. It’s like a loyalty oath to Jesus. That’s supposed
to neutralize all of your “sinfulness” then & there. However, there needs to be
some control in place to ensure the new Christian doesn’t trot off & engage in
a blithe cycle of sinning/repenting/sinning/repenting. Thus there is a vast
construct of behavior modification built into the doctrine that utilizes bible studies,
“godliness” programs, sermons the exhort one to endless self-examination for
sinfulness & doctrinal incorrectness, etc.
The oath of salvation is an “either-or” situation, but behavior occurs on a continuum– it’s impossible to quantify one’s rating of evildoing or virtue. The
cognitive dissonance created by this contradiction keeps many in such an
uncertain state that they feel antagonized, confronted, “bullied” by signs such as this.
Calling us “witches” or “drunkards” reduces us to single-trait strawmen/women. It feels unfair. It also makes their claim that “It’s all about the Atonement”
seem like a loss-leader/bait & switch for their system of belief.
Great post, truly insightful.
Thankyew Seth!
O, I scored about a 9 or 10 on his chart. Bcs I never felt I cd repent of
my youthful sins. They were part of my learnin experiences.
From sinning, wisdom can emanate. Akshuly…..
Anyone wonder what I stole?
That kids virginity? O_o
And also.. “Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.”
You’ve described the fundies perfectly. Just remember that not all of us Christians are whacked out : )
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Most of us know that while we need to be more like Jesus that it’s an impossible task. We do the best we can, and rely on forgiveness for the rest. Thank goodness that God is as forgiving as he is, or I’d be crispy right about now!
Oh dear, what about “those who judge others despite the command from God that you are not to do His job?” Gee, how convenient of the little boy to forget that one!! LOL!!!
Okay, I just noticed the kid has his shirt buttoned all the way up, though he isn’t wearing a tie. Is he afraid someone will see his ‘toos?
He’s afraid that if he doesn’t button his shirt all the way up, men are going to ogle his chest/neck.
Or worse, those lewd women!
Now you know how I came to notice the no-peeky look…
That I do. ; )
Maybe he’s trying to hide a pencil-neck?
Just a thought
anyone else pondering the irony of including racists among the condemed?
He’s too busy pretending not to be racist, whilst condemning buddhists, etc.
Can I take that comment to imply that all buddhists are of the same race? It doesn’t matter anyhow because everyone’s a rittle bit lacist.
Avenue Q reference WIN
stupid Polacks!
Racism is often taken to mean not just a discrimination against a genetic heritage, but discrimination against a cultural heritage. This can include people new to the culture/religion depending on how broad the definition.
Which is how I intended the comment. Anyone who regularly reads my comments would know i wouldn’t use it in the assumed context of the reply.
jeez. I need to word my posts better. I’ve been accused now of being mormon and racist. LOL.
I find insulting someone you don’t know based on what you perceive to be them supporting intolerant points of view amusingly contradictory.
Can’t wait to check back on this comment in a day or two and see how you guys all justify yourselves. Bottom line – finding this amusing makes you no better than someone supporting those points of view. It’s not the issue, it’s the heart.
I’m sorry, who are you?
And what really bugs me is that you make an interesting and debate worthy post but you couldn’t even use a handle of your own to present it. What a waste.
Oh, well. Maybe s/he will come back on and post under an unused handle. Until then, we should adhere to DNFTT, sadly.
Someone has been jacking Fester in order to call me Jellybean. Also, this sounds sort of like the bad sentence structure of chris of the no shift key.
Our dear friend bob always had a weird obsession with Jellybeans…
I was wondering, but the tone of the DWN message doesn’t match his usual MO. Maybe he’s being sneaky.
No, I don’t think Bob is DWN’s troll, there is no way he’d be able to string that many coherent sentences together. I just meant if someone was jacking Fester’s name to harrass you with Jellybeans accusations (as if that’s a bad thing, I miss the beans!) then Bob’s my first guess. But then Bob’s such an all around general d*ck I usually suspect him first.
The sad thing is it seemed like something I might write if I was in a pissy mood and actually was against the posts. I am rather disappointed that he didn’t post under an original name or at least something besides an impersonation. I was looking forward to responding.
But with it being somebody too cowardly to post as their own individual just ruined it for me.
I’m so glad we’re all better than him.
Well that is a start for an individual name to troll under. Least you aer getting somewhere.
*sigh* I responded, it was eated. I said that I didn’t think it was bob either, too many words he doesn’t know.
I still don’t understand the ‘jellybean’ thing
the whole ‘hijacking’ things is down to the ICanHazCheezeBurger’s singularly lax approach to identities… The Powers that Be like their trolls, it seems.
Can I be you tomorrow?
Yet another vote for a real forum software that requires actual signup…
Not really needed since it adds extra hassle for one off users. But at the very least we need the random avatars that several of the other ICHC sites have.
This would largely solve the problem.
I’m off in Paris (the French one… the rest really don’t cut it…) So, my ID is free for anyone who wants to say something nasty to a friend from Tuesday
Get the hell off DWN’s name and get your own, troll!
??? Next time, try hijacking a name that has a less distinct posting style. I mean, even I could see through that one.
Jeez. Who the hell does he think he is?
I find the idea that one has to be intolerant of intolerance otherwise they are intolerant amusingly contradictory. The guy’s an asshat, stop making his excuses.
Wow, I’ve heard of crazy, but honestly… I missed the passage in the Bible that says “Thou shalt not watch sports” (though personally I find them kinda silly). My personal score is 1: I’m a faithful LDS (Mormon). o.O
And all I can think of to respond to someone this misguided is:
“When you get to Heaven, you will likely view
Many folks whose presence there will be a shock to you,
But keep it very quiet, do not even stare.
Likely there’ll be many folks surprised to see YOU there.”
~Quaggy
That’s cute! For no particular reason, it reminds me of the 100 year old woman who told her friends, I’ve lived so long, I’ve got friends up there who probably think I didn’t make it! : )
I begin to wonder if this is photoshopped. It just seems a bit out-there to be real.
*it seems a bit TOO out-there to be real.
Whoops. lol
Your original grammar works fine.
Oh, if it only were photo-shopped. I have been there, though not to the point of holding signs. It is all too true to life.
Looking back on those times makes me see how some “crazy” things in history have happened. The power of a group of people over one person is formidible, as are their beliefs.
I have no qualms with Christians, if that is what they believe. Nor do I have problems with those that ask me if I would care to know more about their religion.
I respect the ones that show ME respect and keep their beliefs and ideas to themselves if I tell them I am not interested.
I loathe the ones that feel the need to force their rather narrow view of the world on others, even going as far as breaking their own rules and beliefs in doing so.
Feel free to replace “Christians” with any other religious groups that this could or does apply to.
It pretty much ONLY applies to Christians, Jehovas witnesses and some muslim sects. “Revealed” religions are seriously flawed in general.
I’d like to think Christians.. or the good ones at least.. have a rather broad view of the world. Accept and love yourself, God, and everyone else, lead by example rather than by force, and do not judge others.
I’d say that pretty much makes us open minded. It’s not like my church had a problem marrying two people while the woman was concurrently pregnant, being that premarital sex is a sin. There’s gay couples that attend, and we’re not burning them at the stake or mistreating them. Even atheists and agnostics come just for the fellowship. People of all different backgrounds and mindsets come to our church and we love them the same. Because that’s what a Christian is supposed to do. Do unto others as you’d have them do unto you.
Unfortunately, the narrow-minded Christians still do exist and tarnish what we stand for. And we’re always labeled the self-righteous hypocrites. Ironically, the “labelers” are guilty of the same thing as they do so. Because then they judge an entire group of people based upon a few jerks who gave them the wrong idea. I guess that makes them as narrow minded as they say we are.
Fun fact (I guess):
In biblical times, if you had sex, you were divinely considered married to that person. There didn’t have to be a ceremony.
Source: My dad, the minister of our church.
Please tell me your church is in Northern California. O.O
This again assumes that the “non-christian” has a problem with judging others. That is one of those Christian no-nos.
The thing that always strikes me is that Christians, at least some of them, tend to think of everyone else as living and being judged by THEIR rules and such. While, that is surely not the case.
1 First comment… hope no one got my name before me
2 I’ve been there too. Problem is, they devoutly believe that if they dont badger you into believing their own particular thing, that very nasty things are going to happen to you after you die. So they’ve GOT to doo it, for YOUR sake.
BTW, it was Mormons who finalylly got me out of it. Everything relied on false or self referencing logic…. and then I realised we were using the same vacuous arguments. Pity realy, I likes the idea that ‘God’ was there to lok after us… instead of us having to be responsible for ourselves and each other.
I doubt it. There was this one family that used to come to my college campus and they gave their kids signs just like this while they yelled at random people walking to class. Like just the fact that we were at college automatically meant we were one of the people on the sign.
If you are at t.u., you are one of those things.
LOL WHOOP
Sorry couldn’t resist. Im very fired up after bonfire
Nope, sorry, I went to I.U. Admittingly, we ARE known as a party school, but I was poor and lived at home, so it’s not like I could take advantage of that.
LOL I just wanted to take a stab at the longhorns, SAW EM OFF GIG EM AGGIES
How dare you read more than the ONE BOOK!!!
People like that creep me out & that’s with my views being very straight & traditional. But these kind are creepy & so self-righteous ’cause anyone who doesn’t think exactly like they do must be wrong & therefore evil & not worth any understanding, compassion or tolerance. Under the surface lurks a lot of hate & violence.
Does anyone know what group this is? There is a guy that goes to my college at least once every year and holds up a sign with the exact same message, and he gets laughed off campus in only a half an hour. I thought he was just one nut, but now I am seeing pictures of these arses everywhere.
I know those guys! There are 3 of them outside of Cooper Hall at USF in Tampa. They said I was going to hell once because I had a Boston Red Sox hat on. One of them was punched out a month ago for calling someone a whore and her boyfriend started swinging.
I have never seen anything like this at Texas A&M University
A&M is a little less straight-laced than that. And UT moreso. Can you imagine a protest like that at UT? The hippies would mob them : )
Well, who cares about t.u.?
Fun fact: Out at Bonfire, when we pick up a log, someone may struggle under it. So when the person struggles under a log, he or she can call for a heave. When we heave a log, the crew chief, stops us and yells “ONE TWO” We lift the logs over our heads to give that guy a chance to get back under it, and we all yell ” FUCK t.u!!!”
Last weekend we went to austin on a torch run, we needed something to light the bonfire with
Sports nuts? Really?
Question: should my pastor be damned to hell because he wears a Packers tie when they play on Sundays?
Geez, it’s these nut jobs that give us Christians a bad name. In reality, we’re taught to love everybody because we’re all sinners. :]
I guess I’m going to hell. I love me some Steelers football and Sabres hockey.
Here I always thought I’d go to hell because of all the sinning I’ve done…
Your pastor wears a football tie? Can I go to *that* church?
Gotta love the Packers fans!
Yes, he should… but then most of my favourite priests are Hell bound…
there is so much wrong with that sign…what’s wrong if someone is addicted to sex but it’s within their marriage? Sports lovers are sinners now? Two faced people? Money Lovers? Pretty sure that although maybe these people aren’t perfect (no one is) they aren’t going to hell. “and Mormons” I’m pretty sure where ever this guy came from they are more likely to exploit women than Mormons (and Mormon does not equal polygamist). Having many Mormon friends I can tell you that they aren’t sinners as this guy wants you to believe. Hooray First Amendment. We have more crazies to make fun of.
Mind you, it doesn’t say they were going to hell, just that the judgment is coming. And in case he had managed to include everyone on that list, that would’ve made it correct. Since when the judgment comes, it’s not just for the people who fall under those categories, it’s for Everybody, even the guy holding the sign.
Agape. I has it.
MORAL OREL: THE MUSICAL! Now coming to a homeschool stage in a living room near you.
Does anybody know what the circled words above “…and Mormons” are? I can’t make it out.
As near as I can make it out…
“Jnell Kock Wand Based Lwlss Xn”
Best I could do with basic photo tools, lol.
Something about weak pencil necked dweebs. It was mentioned higher up.
Sports nuts??
Is there anyone on Earth he missed with that sign?
I weep for that poor guy. His must have been a sad, sad childhood.
He needs to go home, turn on a football game, light up the bong, and count the money he’s made pimping out his underage Korean hookers.
::ducks::
That kid needs his ass kicked on general principles.
Well that’s just cruelty to animals!
If, on the other hand, you’re proposing he becomes the receiver of some serious buttock prodding… I think I have just the boots for the job… New Rocks – heavy, studded and with metal grills on the front!
And as I scored 11 (woohoo!), I think I should be at the front of the queue
Sweet. I’m four of those things. I’m going to hell with the rest of humanity! Go us!
Honestly. What the hell. Rebellious women? Get out of the 18th century, my good man. Liars? Everybody lies at some point in their life. Atheists? How can we believe that God’s judgment is coming when we don’t even believe in God?
Stupid, ignorant humans. So obsessed with being perfect, they’re flawed beyond reason.
/applause
he looks like smalls from the sandlot
except smalls would never be that douchey
Well, let’s see…. I’m a woman, lost my virginity at 15, lived with a guy outside of marriage (thankfully I didn’t marry the bastard), love sports, am pro-choice (even though it wouldn’t be my first choice), am somewhere between agnostic and atheist, love making money, am for gays getting married, I’ve lied, and I’ve been drunk a few times…. I WIN THE GAME!!!!!!!
Screw I-Pass…. *buys an express ticket straight to hell* >:)
There’s still room in the handbasket. And some of us brought snacks!
I WIN THE GAME
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…I LOST THE GAME!!!!!!
DAMN YOU!! I LOST THE GAME.
*brings snacks and drinks for all runners-up* I used the money I made betting on football games while smoking pot in the back of a Mormon church.
Shit I just lost the game!
this was my poster
haha, thats totally me
Wouldn’t most Mormons fall under the LEAST amount of these categories?
And yet…
That’s probably why he had to add them at the end. It was more of a “and in case you don’t fall under any of these categories…then you must be Mormon. So…you too.”
Didn’t I hear somewhere that the Mormon church (or whatever it is – I try to distance myself from them as much as possible because my great-grandfather was a Mormon and I’m pretty sure they can “claim the souls” of the next 3 generations in their line, which worries me like crazy) own most of the casinos in Las Vegas? Tad hypocritical of them, wouldn’t you say?
Don’t worry about the 3 generations idea.. not sure where you got that one.
Hypocritical? No.. people have to work for a living, right? And not every Mormon is the Utah-born-and-bred type.
sports nuts? seriously?? i didn’t realize god hates when i play basketball… now i am sad.
hehe
Not sure what I find more offensive:
the sign lumping Mormons, sports nuts, and sex addicts (etc) under an umbrella of damnation
or the caption implying that virginity and hate mongering are necessarily related
*sigh* Are we going to have to start another “I’m offended” chain off this one?
“Not sure what I find more offensive:
the sign lumping Mormons, sports nuts, and sex addicts (etc) under an umbrella of damnation
or the caption implying that virginity and hate mongering are necessarily related”
You’re a virgin, aren’t you Margaret?
Do you mind if I ask you a personal question? Are you a virgin?
What! How much more personal can you get? Now P*ss off!!
And with that, this thread is dead. I hope.
LAST!
I hope to be permitted by some of you to use some of this commentary in
future writings. If anyone doesn’t want me to do that, I’ll respect yr wishes!
Thx one & all
I’m a Christian and I take my faith very seriously, but come on now…. SPORTS NUTS? Well I guess Im going to hell. And if the kid says he doesnt love money, then he’s a liar.
Sports nuts? haha wtf? THE RAPTURE IS COMMING BECAUSE WE WATCH TOO MUCH FOOTBALL!!!
I also like how sex addicts and mormons are both the biggest ones.. how the relate I am not sure….
No, no, the rapture is to save us from one more season of the Cubs losing!
Amen to that! I actually now class the Cubs winning the Series as one of the signs of the apocalypse.
It would be the apocalypse for the Cobs. Can you imagine what would happen to them if their fans stopped expecting them to suck?
Apparently god is only coming for one liar. I wonder who won that lottery.
because Mormons aren’t Christian and stuff............
am I wrong in thinking that God also dislikes those who hold prejudice opinions of others. Did jesus not tell everyone to love their neighbor?
in my personal, and less political opinion; screw you kid. sex addicts and pot smokers FTEW! I rule at life for the combination of both.
Wow… do you people need to do some serious soul-searching and research.
And you need to realize that not everyone holds the same beliefs that you do and the world is a big place full of lots of people with a lot of very different beliefs.
The catch? They all think THEY are right and YOU are wrong.
Welcome to planet Earth.
And you need to follow the example Jesus set rather than paying lip-service to following him while actually following the words written by Paul. Jesus would never have worn a sign like that — or did you forget his behavior toward the men trying to stone a woman in the public square for HER perceived sins? How convenient you for you to just forget Jesus’ actual real life examples because a man-translated copy of a book you believe to have been guided by God says to.
*high-five*
And wow are you gonna have some fun when you realise your god really hates people who have nothing better to do with their time than stand around shouting hate and trying to make out it’s ‘his’ will.
God loves gays , straights, independent women, pro-choicers, football fans….
wow, do you need to get laid.
I’d do him. Cure him of his hatred of sex. Poor guy.
I just noticed he wrote sports nuts on there! Being a sports fan is a sin?
The culmination of everything on that list combine to describe… Christians. Strange. Is there something Freudian about this?
Wow, someone’s really stupid to think all christian virgins look that way or that they think the things on the dude’s sign are sins!
How do christian virgins look, and what are you guys thinking these days?
There’s that word ‘all’ again. Where do people get this stuff? There are, of course, plenty of ways to be a virgin, like being a priest and actually holding to your vows of celibacy. The point of this caption is not that all christian virgins look like this, but rather that spending your time on things like this is a great way to stay one, voluntarily or otherwise.
I almost feel sorry for this kid. What a sad, sad waste of life, God’s greatest gift. I’m no biblical scholar, but doesn’t it say that only God can judge? He is basically condemning everybody who is not him. I can understand his disdain for most of what he has on his sign, but “sports nuts”? WTF? Is it because watching a game takes away from valuable praying time? I think he should pay more attention to the WWJD mantra. He tended to associate with unsavory types.
there was a guy at my school with a similar sign, only his had more categories, like “dykes on bikes”. I think my favorites ones are the “sports nuts” and “pot smoking little devils”. This sign cracks me up.
back in 95, i got invited by this crazy bi girl i used to know on a trip to the big Pride event in SF and while we were getting to a good spot on the parade route, we actually met up with the Dykes on Bikes who lead the parade. they were a blast…hell…That whole weekend was such a party
We had these assholes come to my college and bitch. I am sick and tired of people portraying my religion in a bad light.
lol, pot smoking little devils, i can picture the guy holding that saying that with a lisp.
i just had the random thought that he could mean child molesting homosexuals as in a very mean child is molesting a homosexual. Also i scored an 8 im proud to be a pot smoking little devil atheist sometimes slightly racist theif but o well i guess im going to hell if it exists
And a wacko religious virgin at that!
Sports nuts?! But gluttony is a sin!
Rebellious women also pisses me off. [Me being one, of course.]
I’m shocked I didn’t see ‘rock music’ on there.
..and this is why I’m a proud Atheist.
Wonder why he didn’t put Zealot on there. O wait. That would mean him.
The thing with sport nuts is that sports becomes your god. The games are often on Sunday, are they not? So the guys are sitting in front of a telly (a home altar) or going to stadiums (temples) to worship their false god. If they have wives then they are ignoring them while they’re hooked in staring at the game, unless the wife is also a sports nut. They say everything that separates you from god is a sin. If you think more about sports or sex or money than god then it’s a sin. That proves everyone is a sinner since I doubt it would be possible to think of god more than everything else.
This protester is clearly under the assumption though that either all homosexuals are child molesters or that a large proportion of child molesters are homosexual. In fact I think the most common setting of child molesting is a heterosexual male abusing a child of either sex in order to hurt or blackmail the child’s mother. Most (or at least a large proportion of) child molesters aren’t actually pedophiles and not all men who sleep with boys are gay, they’re just hurting their children to get back at their wives or discouraging her from getting a divorce in fear of what would happen to the children. Just like rape isn’t about sex, it’s about dominance.
I know where this guy came from. He is a protege’ of Bible Jim, fire and brimstone fundmentalist preacher who travels the colleges and gay distrcits of the NW and harasses people. He likes to try to bait them into assualting him and his alcolytes. One of my classmates of Evergreen State College researched him and wrote a story for the school paper back in 2000 or so.
Turns out he has a compound in southern Oregon and quite a few followers.
Even the Christians I know don’t like him.
Those Damn Pot Smokin’ Little Devils!
well, me being a lying, thieving, two-faced, sex addicted drunkard I’m pretty sure I’m going to hell, ah well, at least I’ll be among my friends
As a pro-choice, pot-smokin’, money-lovin’, two-faced, witchy, Buddha-lovin’, agnostic, sex-addicted, lyin’, Olympics-watchin’, beer-drinkin’, lewd and rebellious woman, I may be going to hell, but at least I’ll have some fun before I do, and as the old saying goes, when I get there, I’ll be too busy shaking hands with old friends to care.
hmmm, liar… as in there is only one?
666th Comment! Go Satan!
Hehe… he looks like Nick Jonas!!
Did he miss anyone? I think we’re all about covered.
Is it just me or does he look like the oldest Dugger kid from the TLC show?
Hey, guys, I actually read through all of this, and I thought you might be interested in reading something that was published in PS’s Collegian recently. The man who wrote this spent quite a few years standing on the step of one of our school buildings bellowing for God to strike down the evil nonbelievers who argued with him; he’s recently come back for a few “visits”, which is how I recognized that he was the one who’d written this. But as an agnostic who believes very strongly in “live and let live,” this horrified me.
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2008/12/04/willard_preacher_responds_to_c.aspx
“CHILD MOLESTING HOMOSEXUALS” “MORMONS” “AND…. SPORTS NUTS”
WTF?!
Maybe its a Halloween costume.
I feel the need to punch him in the face and hurt him badly…oh never mind feeling passing my lawyer says that isn’t a good idea
Caption fail. If this guy really is a virgin, it’s something that he’s going to be proud of.
Great post, People need to read this.
Well, his parents probably forced him to do that, he’s probably having second thoughts about his and their beliefs and many things are taken to the extreme nowadays so this isn’t very surprising. I say if people are dumb let their dumbness lead them to whatever misfortunate circumstances they run into. Usually all they want is to get attention, then stir up hate and discontent.
What’s wrong with being a virgin?
What if you are a married couple that are sex addicts…with eachother?
And really? Sports fanatics?
I saw this, basically, on another website as a poster…It’s sort of a “rire jaune” when the LOLs come though. Quite disturbing…