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		<title>By: Yozza</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-181383</link>
		<dc:creator>Yozza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GM bailed out------- Billions
Chrysler Bailed out-Billions

Ford did it right no bail out or Chapter 11</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GM bailed out&#8212;&#8212;- Billions<br />
Chrysler Bailed out-Billions</p>
<p>Ford did it right no bail out or Chapter 11</p>
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		<title>By: Laurynn</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-157333</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys know that Ford didn&#039;t take a bail-out don&#039;t you?  I know where I&#039;m buying my next truck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys know that Ford didn&#8217;t take a bail-out don&#8217;t you?  I know where I&#8217;m buying my next truck!</p>
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		<title>By: rhorho</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-78166</link>
		<dc:creator>rhorho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re remarkably consistent. ; )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re remarkably consistent. ; )</p>
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		<title>By: rhorho</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-78165</link>
		<dc:creator>rhorho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m from the exploration side. The geophysical company I worked for in Houston shut down North American operations because of the Enron collapse, compounded by U.S. landowner greed. It has gotten too expensive to explore on U.S. land because of permit costs, and every class-action lawyer worth his salt has tried to sue over the use of data collected (then eliminated) from no-permit areas within data sets. If congress could put some reasonable protections in place, we could figure out where the stuff is and be done with it.
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A key point on Item 1 hasn&#039;t been made: What is the motivation to pull oil out of the ground in the $60 barrel range? It&#039;s better to retain the lease and buy foreign oil when the price is low, then take domestic production seriously when the price is sustainably high. It has to be *sustainably* high, because, as froo said, it takes about a year to crank up from scratch on land. It then takes another six months to a year to recover initial costs, and fine-tune for optimum production.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m from the exploration side. The geophysical company I worked for in Houston shut down North American operations because of the Enron collapse, compounded by U.S. landowner greed. It has gotten too expensive to explore on U.S. land because of permit costs, and every class-action lawyer worth his salt has tried to sue over the use of data collected (then eliminated) from no-permit areas within data sets. If congress could put some reasonable protections in place, we could figure out where the stuff is and be done with it.<br />
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A key point on Item 1 hasn&#8217;t been made: What is the motivation to pull oil out of the ground in the $60 barrel range? It&#8217;s better to retain the lease and buy foreign oil when the price is low, then take domestic production seriously when the price is sustainably high. It has to be *sustainably* high, because, as froo said, it takes about a year to crank up from scratch on land. It then takes another six months to a year to recover initial costs, and fine-tune for optimum production.</p>
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		<title>By: froofrou</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-78159</link>
		<dc:creator>froofrou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You just have to make sure that you don&#039;t make the minimum wage prohibitive. Part of the problem during the Great Depression (and one of the reasons it dragged on (drug on?) for so long) is that the minimum wage was raised to the point that it was no longer worth it to hire new employees. Now that was great if you were an existing employee, because you were finally getting paid a good amount. But when you&#039;re in a soup line with your family because unemployment is over 30%, then you don&#039;t care how much the employed guy is making.
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We just need a balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You just have to make sure that you don&#8217;t make the minimum wage prohibitive. Part of the problem during the Great Depression (and one of the reasons it dragged on (drug on?) for so long) is that the minimum wage was raised to the point that it was no longer worth it to hire new employees. Now that was great if you were an existing employee, because you were finally getting paid a good amount. But when you&#8217;re in a soup line with your family because unemployment is over 30%, then you don&#8217;t care how much the employed guy is making.<br />
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We just need a balance.</p>
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		<title>By: rhorho</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-78157</link>
		<dc:creator>rhorho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL--So, we have another conspiracy theorist on our hands...
I agree that speculation has to be controlled. If for no other reason, the hills and valleys are too spikey, and people don&#039;t know what to expect from one day to the next. How can a family make a budget if they don&#039;t know whether to save for next month&#039;s gas prices? Is there a way to control speculation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL&#8211;So, we have another conspiracy theorist on our hands&#8230;<br />
I agree that speculation has to be controlled. If for no other reason, the hills and valleys are too spikey, and people don&#8217;t know what to expect from one day to the next. How can a family make a budget if they don&#8217;t know whether to save for next month&#8217;s gas prices? Is there a way to control speculation?</p>
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		<title>By: PortlandMark</title>
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		<dc:creator>PortlandMark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth comes through with the info!  Thanks guy!
@Froo:  I think a little digging will show that areas in the US with highter minimum wages are actually faring better, economically, than those with lower.  I am pretty sure there is a direct connection there, but I don&#039;t have the wherewithal to prove it at this point.  (*glances meaningfully back at Seth*)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth comes through with the info!  Thanks guy!<br />
@Froo:  I think a little digging will show that areas in the US with highter minimum wages are actually faring better, economically, than those with lower.  I am pretty sure there is a direct connection there, but I don&#8217;t have the wherewithal to prove it at this point.  (*glances meaningfully back at Seth*)</p>
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		<title>By: PortlandMark</title>
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		<dc:creator>PortlandMark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for conceding point two, I&#039;ll take your word for it on point four, and I think I still disagree with you on point one.  

On point two, though, I strongly disagree with you.  Using that 9% domestically is about 500,000 barrels a day.  That would have a huge impact on prices.

BTW, it wouldn&#039;t be disgraceful if you *were* profiting from the oil business, though I grant you I probably would judge your arguments differently if you were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for conceding point two, I&#8217;ll take your word for it on point four, and I think I still disagree with you on point one.  </p>
<p>On point two, though, I strongly disagree with you.  Using that 9% domestically is about 500,000 barrels a day.  That would have a huge impact on prices.</p>
<p>BTW, it wouldn&#8217;t be disgraceful if you *were* profiting from the oil business, though I grant you I probably would judge your arguments differently if you were.</p>
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		<title>By: rhorho</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhorho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if any bankers will try to thumb a ride.</description>
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		<title>By: PortlandMark</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-78150</link>
		<dc:creator>PortlandMark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they can afford the expense of a private jet, their company isn&#039;t in trouble.  I&#039;m a manager at a restaurant, and we would never dream of wasting money when the revenue stream slows down.  We respond to what the market&#039;s doing quickly, and I don&#039;t respect these multimillion dollar earning white collar types if they can&#039;t do the same.  They all need to be fired and replaced with people from my industry maybe; we&#039;ll work for 1% of what they get paid, and we seem to be smarter to boot!! (JK.  Mostly.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they can afford the expense of a private jet, their company isn&#8217;t in trouble.  I&#8217;m a manager at a restaurant, and we would never dream of wasting money when the revenue stream slows down.  We respond to what the market&#8217;s doing quickly, and I don&#8217;t respect these multimillion dollar earning white collar types if they can&#8217;t do the same.  They all need to be fired and replaced with people from my industry maybe; we&#8217;ll work for 1% of what they get paid, and we seem to be smarter to boot!! (JK.  Mostly.)</p>
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		<title>By: rhorho</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-78149</link>
		<dc:creator>rhorho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can haz corporate jet, but you just can&#039;t fly.
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Oh great--Now I&#039;m channeling Howard Jones!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can haz corporate jet, but you just can&#8217;t fly.<br />
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Oh great&#8211;Now I&#8217;m channeling Howard Jones!</p>
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		<title>By: rhorho</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-78147</link>
		<dc:creator>rhorho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...or stay seated, come to think of it. :S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;or stay seated, come to think of it. :S</p>
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		<title>By: rhorho</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-78146</link>
		<dc:creator>rhorho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL! I&#039;m not sure I would rise for the National Anthem there, tho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL! I&#8217;m not sure I would rise for the National Anthem there, tho.</p>
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		<title>By: PiMan</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-78066</link>
		<dc:creator>PiMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 02:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;froofrou:&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Increasing minimum wage over and over and over (way past the cost of inflation or cost of living) can be a slippery slope. At what point do we stop? $20 an hour? $50?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The least the US could have done was actually increase by the rate of inflation. Instead of well below that over the last 30 years. 
Your minimum wage is too low and needs a slow increase until it is at least at 1980 levels, if not even higher than 1968 levels (when it was highest). The Fair Minimum Wage Act goes some way towards this, but not enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><em>froofrou:</em></strong></p>
<blockquote><p>Increasing minimum wage over and over and over (way past the cost of inflation or cost of living) can be a slippery slope. At what point do we stop? $20 an hour? $50?</p></blockquote>
<p>The least the US could have done was actually increase by the rate of inflation. Instead of well below that over the last 30 years.<br />
Your minimum wage is too low and needs a slow increase until it is at least at 1980 levels, if not even higher than 1968 levels (when it was highest). The Fair Minimum Wage Act goes some way towards this, but not enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Xavier</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-78020</link>
		<dc:creator>Xavier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*sigh* PK strikes again...I even waited for quite a while to see the first ones come up before reposting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sigh* PK strikes again&#8230;I even waited for quite a while to see the first ones come up before reposting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: viking gal</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-77984</link>
		<dc:creator>viking gal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.  Some folks aim for leader roles because they can make more money that way, others for the societal over-valuation.  And our current society p***ses on those in roles which are very important, but not considered &#039;leadership&#039;.  Like public school teachers, and secretaries, and home healthcare workers, and...  Grr.  Don&#039;t get me started!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  Some folks aim for leader roles because they can make more money that way, others for the societal over-valuation.  And our current society p***ses on those in roles which are very important, but not considered &#8216;leadership&#8217;.  Like public school teachers, and secretaries, and home healthcare workers, and&#8230;  Grr.  Don&#8217;t get me started!</p>
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		<title>By: viking gal</title>
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		<dc:creator>viking gal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can haz corporate jet?  Ooop, I had to give that one back.  I has a sad, now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can haz corporate jet?  Ooop, I had to give that one back.  I has a sad, now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Xavier</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-77957</link>
		<dc:creator>Xavier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People seem to be fine with $2-$3. It $4 that gets them pissed off enough to change their habits. I prefer $2 and under, myself.

Once we get to that point of critical mass regarding alternate energy vehicles, gas will drop to $1 or less, because China will be right there with us, and TBH they are the ones driving the oil markets these days. It&#039;s only because China is in their own financial meltdown that oil is as low as it is.

You simply cannot go through your industrial revolution in 15 years, when it took everyone else 150.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People seem to be fine with $2-$3. It $4 that gets them pissed off enough to change their habits. I prefer $2 and under, myself.</p>
<p>Once we get to that point of critical mass regarding alternate energy vehicles, gas will drop to $1 or less, because China will be right there with us, and TBH they are the ones driving the oil markets these days. It&#8217;s only because China is in their own financial meltdown that oil is as low as it is.</p>
<p>You simply cannot go through your industrial revolution in 15 years, when it took everyone else 150.</p>
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		<title>By: Xavier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xavier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say he&#039;s a genius. I said he&#039;s not a moron.

I hate that there is no oversight. This was supposed to be there on Day One. Congress -- you fail!

Oversight...weer doin it rong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t say he&#8217;s a genius. I said he&#8217;s not a moron.</p>
<p>I hate that there is no oversight. This was supposed to be there on Day One. Congress &#8212; you fail!</p>
<p>Oversight&#8230;weer doin it rong.</p>
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		<title>By: SpartanCanuck</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-77924</link>
		<dc:creator>SpartanCanuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm. It&#039;s not that the Japanese keep US cars out of their market. It&#039;s that US cars tend not to appeal to their market. Ford&#039;s attempt to sell the Taurus in Japan, for instance, failed. Even the Ford Ka failed to attract many buyers because it wasn&#039;t available in automatic at the time. They owned a controlling interest in Mazda, but recently divested down to a non-controlling interest.

GM used to own an interest in Suzuki, and through them imported GM vehicles into Japan, selling under the Suzuki badge. GM sold that operation off though.

Daimler-Chrysler is still active in the Japanese auto industry, but doing most of their production locally, IIRC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm. It&#8217;s not that the Japanese keep US cars out of their market. It&#8217;s that US cars tend not to appeal to their market. Ford&#8217;s attempt to sell the Taurus in Japan, for instance, failed. Even the Ford Ka failed to attract many buyers because it wasn&#8217;t available in automatic at the time. They owned a controlling interest in Mazda, but recently divested down to a non-controlling interest.</p>
<p>GM used to own an interest in Suzuki, and through them imported GM vehicles into Japan, selling under the Suzuki badge. GM sold that operation off though.</p>
<p>Daimler-Chrysler is still active in the Japanese auto industry, but doing most of their production locally, IIRC.</p>
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		<title>By: Xavier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xavier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America has shown that it&#039;ll put up with $2.50-$3.00 without much grumbling. It&#039;s the $4.00 and above that people really start bitching about.

Personally, I&#039;m all for it staying below $2.00.... ;)

You know, of course, that once alternate-power autos hit critical mass, that gas is going to drop back down below $1.00...because once we have that technology here, they&#039;ll have it in China, so that oil demand will dry up too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America has shown that it&#8217;ll put up with $2.50-$3.00 without much grumbling. It&#8217;s the $4.00 and above that people really start bitching about.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m all for it staying below $2.00&#8230;. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You know, of course, that once alternate-power autos hit critical mass, that gas is going to drop back down below $1.00&#8230;because once we have that technology here, they&#8217;ll have it in China, so that oil demand will dry up too.</p>
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		<title>By: Xavier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xavier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate that the Congress is bitching at the banks for not distributing the credit, without owning up to the fact that they have totally FAILED in one of the most important parts of TARP: as you mentioned, the *oversight*.

They were supposed to have this oversight commission set up the day that the bill passed. To this day, AFAIK it *still* does not exist. 

Paulson is right to change course on the actual troubled assets, at least until someone can come up with an actual solid value for them. However, Congress needs to keep the checkbook closed until we see some easing of credit first -- as you said, sitting on the cash, buying other banks and fattening bonuses isn&#039;t quite what TARP was all about.

Oversight, weer doin it rong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate that the Congress is bitching at the banks for not distributing the credit, without owning up to the fact that they have totally FAILED in one of the most important parts of TARP: as you mentioned, the *oversight*.</p>
<p>They were supposed to have this oversight commission set up the day that the bill passed. To this day, AFAIK it *still* does not exist. </p>
<p>Paulson is right to change course on the actual troubled assets, at least until someone can come up with an actual solid value for them. However, Congress needs to keep the checkbook closed until we see some easing of credit first &#8212; as you said, sitting on the cash, buying other banks and fattening bonuses isn&#8217;t quite what TARP was all about.</p>
<p>Oversight, weer doin it rong.</p>
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		<title>By: Minerva146</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minerva146</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would be a valid argument about the finance deal if the banks weren&#039;t hoarding the money they&#039;ve been handed with no oversight (because Paulson&#039;s such a genius according to you)  and were actually extending credit.  They&#039;re not.  I hate that the banks are sort of just getting a free ride, while the last bastion of manufacturing and therefore, American Workers, is just getting boned.  Citicorp, Please!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would be a valid argument about the finance deal if the banks weren&#8217;t hoarding the money they&#8217;ve been handed with no oversight (because Paulson&#8217;s such a genius according to you)  and were actually extending credit.  They&#8217;re not.  I hate that the banks are sort of just getting a free ride, while the last bastion of manufacturing and therefore, American Workers, is just getting boned.  Citicorp, Please!</p>
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		<title>By: Minerva146</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-77852</link>
		<dc:creator>Minerva146</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually today I heard that they economists are now expecting a barrel of oul to go back up between 60 and 90 and that gasoline will likely float around the $3.00 mark for the foreseeable future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually today I heard that they economists are now expecting a barrel of oul to go back up between 60 and 90 and that gasoline will likely float around the $3.00 mark for the foreseeable future.</p>
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		<title>By: Minerva146</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-77846</link>
		<dc:creator>Minerva146</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re talking about doing this for their next visit to Congress I heard today!  LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re talking about doing this for their next visit to Congress I heard today!  LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Xavier</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-77790</link>
		<dc:creator>Xavier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Economic history is on both mine and Paulson&#039;s side. If you are expecting instant gratification, then you&#039;ll be sorry. 

I know that Paulson lives on the other side of the aisle from you, Seth, but he&#039;s not a moron. Neither are the hundreds of representatives that voted to pursue this course of action. Nor are the scores of advisors and economists who support the move. 

In fact, this is how we &quot;bailed out&quot; the S&amp;L&#039;s. Like I said, history is on the side of this move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Economic history is on both mine and Paulson&#8217;s side. If you are expecting instant gratification, then you&#8217;ll be sorry. </p>
<p>I know that Paulson lives on the other side of the aisle from you, Seth, but he&#8217;s not a moron. Neither are the hundreds of representatives that voted to pursue this course of action. Nor are the scores of advisors and economists who support the move. </p>
<p>In fact, this is how we &#8220;bailed out&#8221; the S&amp;L&#8217;s. Like I said, history is on the side of this move.</p>
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		<title>By: Great Lake Boy</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-77723</link>
		<dc:creator>Great Lake Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it great how Japan keeps their cars out.  Free Trade ROCKS!

Hopefully they will fail and the country goes into a deep deep recession or even a depression~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it great how Japan keeps their cars out.  Free Trade ROCKS!</p>
<p>Hopefully they will fail and the country goes into a deep deep recession or even a depression~</p>
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		<title>By: Xavier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xavier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Capitolism? I guess that typo has more than a ring of truth to it lately... ;)

At any rate, without capitalism, from where comes the money to start those businesses that employ all of those people? You&#039;ve got one guess, and it&#039;s failed every time it&#039;s been tried in history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capitolism? I guess that typo has more than a ring of truth to it lately&#8230; <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>At any rate, without capitalism, from where comes the money to start those businesses that employ all of those people? You&#8217;ve got one guess, and it&#8217;s failed every time it&#8217;s been tried in history.</p>
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		<title>By: dropping in</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-77713</link>
		<dc:creator>dropping in</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They have not gotten the 25 B yet...but they have in fact over the past 25 years gotten PLENTY- they deserve to go down, if only they would not take so many hard workers with them I would say let them burn- as it is, one of them MUST die off- Capitolism is only for poor children who need healthcare- for the big guys they get bonuses for f*ing up, and we get to pay for them- yeah trickle down economics- trickle my rear- that urine is POURING down on me and mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They have not gotten the 25 B yet&#8230;but they have in fact over the past 25 years gotten PLENTY- they deserve to go down, if only they would not take so many hard workers with them I would say let them burn- as it is, one of them MUST die off- Capitolism is only for poor children who need healthcare- for the big guys they get bonuses for f*ing up, and we get to pay for them- yeah trickle down economics- trickle my rear- that urine is POURING down on me and mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You sure about that? What if the bailout doesn&#039;t work and the companies go bankrupt, what collateral have they provided? I&#039;m pretty sure the bank deal was meant to be an equity stake, but somehow Paulson ignored that part. It is difficult to figure out, if you are actually thinking about it rather than mouthing happy fantasies about the way it should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sure about that? What if the bailout doesn&#8217;t work and the companies go bankrupt, what collateral have they provided? I&#8217;m pretty sure the bank deal was meant to be an equity stake, but somehow Paulson ignored that part. It is difficult to figure out, if you are actually thinking about it rather than mouthing happy fantasies about the way it should be.</p>
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		<title>By: Xavier</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-77706</link>
		<dc:creator>Xavier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a sniper rifle vs. a shotgun. The finance deal is designed to have the widest immediate impact (not that it has, considering the complete and total lack of oversight in the process), whereas yes, the auto deal affects millions of jobs, but even so the impact is not as great as having the credit markets frozen for years. 

Since We The People now have a significant equity ownership stake in these banks, I&#039;m not sure why we need to have Congressional hearings about why the credit isn&#039;t flowing again -- since we own them now, it *should* just be a matter of &quot;hey, CEO lackey -- DO IT BECAUSE I SAID SO&quot;. This business of them playing coy and providing responses like &quot;we&#039;re not required to disclose what we do with that money&quot; is a bit rich coming from corporate officers sucking the public tit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a sniper rifle vs. a shotgun. The finance deal is designed to have the widest immediate impact (not that it has, considering the complete and total lack of oversight in the process), whereas yes, the auto deal affects millions of jobs, but even so the impact is not as great as having the credit markets frozen for years. </p>
<p>Since We The People now have a significant equity ownership stake in these banks, I&#8217;m not sure why we need to have Congressional hearings about why the credit isn&#8217;t flowing again &#8212; since we own them now, it *should* just be a matter of &#8220;hey, CEO lackey &#8212; DO IT BECAUSE I SAID SO&#8221;. This business of them playing coy and providing responses like &#8220;we&#8217;re not required to disclose what we do with that money&#8221; is a bit rich coming from corporate officers sucking the public tit.</p>
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		<title>By: Xavier</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-77700</link>
		<dc:creator>Xavier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The auto deal is a bridge loan. The bank deal is an equity stake. Neither of them are giveaways -- the govt will be repaid, either by loan repayments (auto) or equity sale when the price goes back up (banks).

It&#039;s really not that difficult to figure out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The auto deal is a bridge loan. The bank deal is an equity stake. Neither of them are giveaways &#8212; the govt will be repaid, either by loan repayments (auto) or equity sale when the price goes back up (banks).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really not that difficult to figure out.</p>
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		<title>By: LurkinMerkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>LurkinMerkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if you were correct, they could still have plane-pooled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if you were correct, they could still have plane-pooled.</p>
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		<title>By: Xavier</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-77697</link>
		<dc:creator>Xavier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OPEC can cut it to nothing, and so long as people are using less (which they are) and China&#039;s economy is completely stalled (which it is) the price isn&#039;t going back up anytime soon. 

Obama simply will not be able to get that tax shoved through, so I wouldn&#039;t worry about that too much. Yeah, those people who lost their jobs, let&#039;s go ahead and make it even less possible to drive to those few-and-far-between interviews. Not gonna happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OPEC can cut it to nothing, and so long as people are using less (which they are) and China&#8217;s economy is completely stalled (which it is) the price isn&#8217;t going back up anytime soon. </p>
<p>Obama simply will not be able to get that tax shoved through, so I wouldn&#8217;t worry about that too much. Yeah, those people who lost their jobs, let&#8217;s go ahead and make it even less possible to drive to those few-and-far-between interviews. Not gonna happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Xavier</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-77684</link>
		<dc:creator>Xavier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er, no they didn&#039;t. They&#039;ve *lost* more than that in a quarter, but no one has given these guys anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er, no they didn&#8217;t. They&#8217;ve *lost* more than that in a quarter, but no one has given these guys anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Interloper</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-77586</link>
		<dc:creator>Interloper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second this as someone who cannot in fact afford a car and does take a bus.  I get up two+ hours early and get home two hours after shift, which is annoying sometimes but better than driving myself deeper in debt for a car I can&#039;t afford.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second this as someone who cannot in fact afford a car and does take a bus.  I get up two+ hours early and get home two hours after shift, which is annoying sometimes but better than driving myself deeper in debt for a car I can&#8217;t afford.</p>
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		<title>By: just a thought...</title>
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		<dc:creator>just a thought...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wouldn&#039;t it be a win...as they are getting away with it and basically they get to f-up and get a free pass.  I&#039;d say thats a win...I want to win like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wouldn&#8217;t it be a win&#8230;as they are getting away with it and basically they get to f-up and get a free pass.  I&#8217;d say thats a win&#8230;I want to win like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-77529</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^

Don&#039;t you think someone who can&#039;t afford to own a car should walk or take the bus to work?

If my financial situation was as bad as thiers is, I wouldn&#039;t be driving my own car to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you think someone who can&#8217;t afford to own a car should walk or take the bus to work?</p>
<p>If my financial situation was as bad as thiers is, I wouldn&#8217;t be driving my own car to work.</p>
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		<title>By: rhorho</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhorho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope Barack remembered to write her a thank-you note. ; )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope Barack remembered to write her a thank-you note. ; )</p>
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		<title>By: rhorho</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-77526</link>
		<dc:creator>rhorho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh! So THAT&#039;S where my pink pills have gone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh! So THAT&#8217;S where my pink pills have gone!</p>
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		<title>By: rhorho</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhorho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree entirely. For the same reason, water conservation lectures are poorly attended in rainstorms. I&#039;m concerned that our collective amoeba-like simplicity will be our undoing. By the time Mother Necessity presents herself permanently, we won&#039;t have systems in place to sustain ourselves.
@Froo: I agree with you that wind and solar energy technology is not altogether feasible on a small scale, but Boone Pickens&#039; plan is workable, as a major contributor to the power grid. That said, we don&#039;t currently have the infrastructure to get the power from the sun and wind belts to the high-consumption areas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree entirely. For the same reason, water conservation lectures are poorly attended in rainstorms. I&#8217;m concerned that our collective amoeba-like simplicity will be our undoing. By the time Mother Necessity presents herself permanently, we won&#8217;t have systems in place to sustain ourselves.<br />
@Froo: I agree with you that wind and solar energy technology is not altogether feasible on a small scale, but Boone Pickens&#8217; plan is workable, as a major contributor to the power grid. That said, we don&#8217;t currently have the infrastructure to get the power from the sun and wind belts to the high-consumption areas.</p>
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		<title>By: slanagat</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-77524</link>
		<dc:creator>slanagat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Read that too fast and thought you said Wankistan, which sounds like a fine place to send these guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Read that too fast and thought you said Wankistan, which sounds like a fine place to send these guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-77522</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get why you mentioned the story. I was just picturing
 &#039;AtlasShrugged&#039; or any other Randroid reading it and the message they&#039;d get from it. Not everyone can be anything they want to, that is a heartbreaking myth. But we so overvalue some jobs, and undervalue others, the options that many people actually have open to them are incredibly disheartening. When the disparity rises above a certain level, people no longer feel good when they see excellence in others rewarded. When there is a fair amount of disparity, truly based on excellence, people can feel okay with themselves even if they aren&#039;t excellent.
--
I think the fact that we overvalue leadership and management positions, and undervalue follower type positions hurts us. It means that people who are not naturally leaders or managers will attempt to become leaders and managers, not because it&#039;s what they like doing, or they are good at it, but because it puts them higher up on the heirarchy. Because non leaders attempt to become leaders, and use underhanded methods to do so, people do not trust leaders, and try to tear them down. But the only leaders they can touch are the natural leaders who are doing it because leading is what they were born to do. Natuiral leaders are the only type who actually care what the followers think about their leadership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get why you mentioned the story. I was just picturing<br />
 &#8216;AtlasShrugged&#8217; or any other Randroid reading it and the message they&#8217;d get from it. Not everyone can be anything they want to, that is a heartbreaking myth. But we so overvalue some jobs, and undervalue others, the options that many people actually have open to them are incredibly disheartening. When the disparity rises above a certain level, people no longer feel good when they see excellence in others rewarded. When there is a fair amount of disparity, truly based on excellence, people can feel okay with themselves even if they aren&#8217;t excellent.<br />
&#8211;<br />
I think the fact that we overvalue leadership and management positions, and undervalue follower type positions hurts us. It means that people who are not naturally leaders or managers will attempt to become leaders and managers, not because it&#8217;s what they like doing, or they are good at it, but because it puts them higher up on the heirarchy. Because non leaders attempt to become leaders, and use underhanded methods to do so, people do not trust leaders, and try to tear them down. But the only leaders they can touch are the natural leaders who are doing it because leading is what they were born to do. Natuiral leaders are the only type who actually care what the followers think about their leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: Sinisa</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-77514</link>
		<dc:creator>Sinisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>European versions work like a charm!</description>
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		<title>By: rhorho</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-77511</link>
		<dc:creator>rhorho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hats off to the all-mighty author of &quot;wankstain.&quot; (Somehow, that doesn&#039;t sound right...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hats off to the all-mighty author of &#8220;wankstain.&#8221; (Somehow, that doesn&#8217;t sound right&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: pittypat</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-77509</link>
		<dc:creator>pittypat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(so does sarah palin ...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(so does sarah palin &#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: rhorho</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-77508</link>
		<dc:creator>rhorho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is going to buy a car from a bankrupt company? The need for parts and service down the road (pun) would halt sales instantly and permanently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is going to buy a car from a bankrupt company? The need for parts and service down the road (pun) would halt sales instantly and permanently.</p>
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		<title>By: rhorho</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-77507</link>
		<dc:creator>rhorho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so the bailout is the mean old witch, healthcare reform has gone to the shore, and--classrooms? I didn&#039;t get anything about classrooms out of that, but that may have been where they were meeting. I like your version, but it would be better with a pony. I like ponies! : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so the bailout is the mean old witch, healthcare reform has gone to the shore, and&#8211;classrooms? I didn&#8217;t get anything about classrooms out of that, but that may have been where they were meeting. I like your version, but it would be better with a pony. I like ponies! : )</p>
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		<title>By: Doubts</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-77504</link>
		<dc:creator>Doubts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They already are.  they got $25 BILLION dollars  just a quarter ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They already are.  they got $25 BILLION dollars  just a quarter ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
		<link>http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/23/political-pictures-automakers-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-77500</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The free market undervalues labor because of a fundamental failure mode. Dudes won the Nobel Prize for figuring this out. It&#039;s called asymmetric information. The original paper on the topic came out in the 70s and caused quite a stir. It&#039;s called &#039;The Market for Lemons&#039; and you can read about it on wikipedia. The same author, working with other economists, won the Nobel in, hmm, 2001? Somewhere around then.
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He described the problem in terms of the used car market. Sellers have more information about the actual quality of their car than buyers 
do. Buyers don&#039;t know whether the car is a lemon or not. So they have to assume that the car is worth less than the seller is asking. Used cars are thus systematically undervalued in a free market.
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The labor market is the same way. Prospective employees know far more about their true worth than employers do. Therefore, employers must assume that every employee is overstating their value, and labor is systematically undervalued.
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Add to that the fact that people who have capital are the ones who buy labor. Everyone buying labor thinks their investment of money is worth more than the labor they are buying. So they systematically undervalue most kinds of labor. They only value the kind of labor they actually do, being the CEO of a company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The free market undervalues labor because of a fundamental failure mode. Dudes won the Nobel Prize for figuring this out. It&#8217;s called asymmetric information. The original paper on the topic came out in the 70s and caused quite a stir. It&#8217;s called &#8216;The Market for Lemons&#8217; and you can read about it on wikipedia. The same author, working with other economists, won the Nobel in, hmm, 2001? Somewhere around then.<br />
&#8211;<br />
He described the problem in terms of the used car market. Sellers have more information about the actual quality of their car than buyers<br />
do. Buyers don&#8217;t know whether the car is a lemon or not. So they have to assume that the car is worth less than the seller is asking. Used cars are thus systematically undervalued in a free market.<br />
&#8211;<br />
The labor market is the same way. Prospective employees know far more about their true worth than employers do. Therefore, employers must assume that every employee is overstating their value, and labor is systematically undervalued.<br />
&#8211;<br />
Add to that the fact that people who have capital are the ones who buy labor. Everyone buying labor thinks their investment of money is worth more than the labor they are buying. So they systematically undervalue most kinds of labor. They only value the kind of labor they actually do, being the CEO of a company.</p>
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