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If there is any justice in the world, this woman’s career is over. No more politics, no more media, nothing but public disgrace. I find it sad that she is too dumb and has too little capacity for introspection to know what she’s done. She lives in a narcissistic fantasy world where Sarah Palin is smart, awesome, and everyone loves her. Even sadder is the fact that some otherwise smart Republicans have been fooled by her act.
Keep pseudofolksy out of politics!
I thought she was a genuine folksy…
Eh, replace all the “she”s with “he”s and you could be talking about Obama.
Heck, you could be talking about almost any politician.
Not all politicians are evil hearted, small minded, ignorant, childish, manipulative, stupid, selfish, hypocritical, power hungry, and delusional. Not even close. Quite trying to claim parity where there is none. Look, say you want less taxes, say you want a smaller federal government, say you want fiscal sanity. I’ll respect you. Say you love Reagan, say you love Bush Sr, say you love McCain, I’ll respect you. Defend Sarah Palin and you have crossed the line. I can’t respect that.
Now now, just cause she’s a little bit crazy in the head with god, man, and dino’s doesn’t mean she isn’t doing what she thinks is best for the country.
I mean, take a look at Maxine Waters.
She could give a rat’s ass about this country. She wanted Alaska to secede from the union. Based on everything I’ve seen of her personality, I believe the only thing she cares about is Sarah Palin. I think she is, at the very least, borderline personality or clinically narcissistic, at worst she is a sociopath. In any case, I don’t think she has a single functioning empathy circuit, and sees the people around her as objects to be used.
Again, if you weren’t specifying Alaska and Palin, I might think you were talking about Obama.
Personal opinions are really a b*tch to get other people to agree with, right?
There is no comparison between her and Obama. I know you have a different opinion, but the facts just aren’t on your side. She’s a D+ student with an 87 IQ, he’s went to Harvard Law School and graduated at the top of his class. She ran as VP and cost McCain the election, Obama won the presidency with a clear majority of the popular vote. As I said, go ahead and support her. Run her for president, please! You will be guaranteeing the death of your party. America will not take the Republican party seriously if they try to push Palin on us again.
About Palin’s IQ – source, please?
She may have been a crappy choice for VP, and I’m not one of her fans, but that sounds as silly as some of the anti-Obama rumors.
I went to look for it, and wouldn’t you know it, the source I had seen has been debunked. So, no there is no proof Sarah Palin has an IQ of 87. Sorry about spreading falsehoods, I should really know better.
I suspect she is of average or slightly better intelligence (just a guess) but she shows no signs of having even a trace of intellectual curiousity or any love of learning, which are far more important to me. The degree of ignorance she showed about the world and about the US government was appalling. While some people point out that that kind of ignorance can be remedied (which is true), there is absolutely no excuse for anyone who seeks high office to be that ignorant, and to both be that ignorant and still feel that one is qualified is shows either extreme arrogance or extreme cluelessness.
She and Obama may have been equal in lack of experience, but she was nowhere near his equal in education or intellect. The real difference between his supporters and hers is in whether they value those things.
I wouldn’t have believed she had an 87 intelligence, she does seem to function at a level high enough that she does manipulate instead of outright force. However yes I agree with you Seth in your ideas that she is the scum of the earth.
I know that, until the moment I heard her speak I was apathetic to politics. there was once a world where there were people, politicians, and men of history (washington, churchhill, so on) and when i first listened to her all that apathy turned to hatred. I never imagined a person to so wholly take the stereotype of a bad politician and out do it.
I suspect she is a heartless succubus.
Same, I didn’t have much interest in politics until I heard about her. I really thought the friend who told me about her was joking or at the very least exaggerating. He wasn’t.
Just goes to show you the amount of outright lies and smears against Palin, there were many many others that were also debunked. No one ever apologizes, they just go on to the next horrible lie and smear.
I saw Seth apologize. Watch out for generalizations, love.
No, I saw that, I meant in the press or the blogs… Yea, Seth is cool.
I would love to know Obama’s grades in college from Columbia University and Harvard Law, also his SAT and LSAT scores. But those have not been released to the press for some reason…
It is known that he graduated high school with fair-enough grades to get into Harvard, and graduated well-enough from that institution as well. He most certainly did not graduate fifth from the bottom.
So, why hide the scores?
Why dig them up? It’s a moot point.
It is now!
It was moot earlier, too. Obama was near the top of his class throughout school; why do we need to know his exact ranking? We know he didn’t slouch.
I suppose I just don’t understand why his SAT score is so damn important.
If Palin and McCain’s scores are important, then it follows that Obama’s and Biden’s would be important as well. You have to compare apples to apples, not just show me one apple and say it’s the only one you’re showing me, so I must therefore see it as the best apple
Something is wrong that they don’t want to show them, why is he being protected? Just saying he was at the top of his class is not sufficient. That’s all I’m saying.
Ema, I couldn’t find Obama’s exact class ranking, but two sources indicate that he graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School in 1991. He was elected editor of the Harvard Law Review in February 1990. I couldn’t find anything that indicated he graduated from Columbia with honors, but didn’t do an exhaustive search, either. No matter what, the guy is not an academic slouch! Hope that’s helpful.
They aren’t hiding them, ema, they just haven’t advertised them, and you are trying to make standard procedure seem somehow suspicious, maybe because that fits your agenda? When do they ever put college grades out for any candidate? If it was standard to release it, then you might have some reason to be suspicious, but it isn’t. Universities do not go around releasing people’s scores and class standings just because other people are curious. For some odd reason, they feel their students are entitled to their privacy. However, for Harvard, to graduate magna cum laude, which Obama did, you have to be in the top 20% of the class, and that was for his doctorate, not his undergrad degree.
The irritating thing that ema and I are trying to point out is that when it’s a Dem candidate, the scores don’t seem to matter, but if it’s a Repub, or God forbid, a conservative Repub (BURN THE WITCH), it gets trotted out like a prize puppy.
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Take the 2000 election, for instance. Al Gore’s school grades were not brought up NEARLY as much as GWB’s grades were, and they were just as bad or worse. Both went to Ivy League schools, both were mediocre students, but we only seem to mention (or remember) Bush’s scores.
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In the same vein, John Kerry has a wife who is richer than God, but that didn’t seem to be a detractor in the 2004 election the same way it has been in this election.
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It’s an irritating double standard, and there’s nothing wrong with bringing it up. Lord knows the Dems bring up all sorts of things that irritate them about the Rightys.
It’s not a double standard at all, it’s a matter of what people care about. Palin’s (and Bush’s) detractors care about academic achievement, so their lack was brought up often. Obama’s (and Gore’s) detractors for the most part care nothing for academic achievement, so why bother to bring it up? Instead they call them elitist (which is the conservative equivalent for having the wrong amount of education), and celebrate Palin and Bush’s folksiness, which they prefer to academic achievement.
FYI – Gore graduated cum laude, and Bush did not, so your suggestion that he was a mediocre student seems unfounded.
Also this notion that something that sticks in a Repubs craw is somehow being ignored, though it’ll be in the forefront of the conversation is mind-boggling. I remember pundits complaining about the “liberal media” focusing on W’s coke-snorting days but nary a word on Gore smoking pot in Vietnam, “after Clinton gets a pass”. Christ only knows how many “I didn’t inhale” riffs I heard back then.
McCain tries to make the case he’s “one of us” because of his abysmal college grades, then complain that Obama is an elitist because he did well in school, then y’all bitch because Obama doesn’t want to show his permanent record.
We know the range Barack did in school; why do we need to know the specific numbers?
Magna Cum Laude from Harvard is a far cry from 5 tries to eke out a degree in journalism, used to secure a job in Alaska. No offense, but these are apples and oranges, seriously.
If his grades are so great, then why are they hiding them? They can’t be found because they have not been released they are keeping them hidden and if he was such a good student, why not release them? It’s just weird…
What were George Bush’s exact grades? We know he did badly, bu that’s not the point.
You would think he (Obama) would be proud of them, that they would be an asset to his campaign… I still just don’t get it.
Because you don’t WANT to get it. You just want to bang the drum.
We GET that.
Because, and let me try this again, universities don’t release that info to the public for ANYONE. They aren’t hiding anything, and it’s not something candidates usually release. You are trying to make something normal into some big hidden thing, and it isn’t. It’s your agenda that’s out of whack, not reality.
HE HIMSELF could release the informations, couldn’t he?? That’s what I’m saying, I would be will to bet there is something questionable there and he was advised not to. If not, why not release it like others have in the past? I can question it all I want to, especially if he won’t release them.
You’re missing the forest for the trees. Obama wouldn’t have been able to be accepted into the programs that he did had he not been able to excel in his academics. If you do poorly, you don’t get accepted into competitive programs, and you most certainly don’t graduate cum laude.
That is all the indication I need to know that Obama did well. The actual scores don’t really matter unless you are planning on comparing him to another person who followed the exact same route. If Palin had done the same academic program and maybe had even been in Obama’s class, then your need for the scores to be presented would be valid, but in this case I at least don’t think the actual numbers are important.
The bottom line is that Obama did very well academically and that intelligence, drive, maturity, and dedication to his studies should very well apply to the other areas of his life and work. Getting a 1600 on his SAT is kind of a moot point given his other accomplishments.
Okay, one more try: Barack Obama graduated somewhere in the top 20% of his class. ENOUGH! Except to say, *suspicious eye darting* vat vas Paleen’s klass rankeenk??? WHY is she HIDING it??? Did she pay all of her parking fines? Why the COVER UP??? A thorough investigation is in order!!! My class ranking was somewhere in the 30 percentile, but I’m not telling what it was, because I’m HIDING something! (I’m hiding the fact that I don’t remember it excactly–OOPS!) Hey, how come no one else on this string has revealed class rankings??? WHAT ARE ALL OF YOU HIDING???
@ Ema: I think I know what you’re getting at
I think one of the reasons that he didn’t release that information was that it could only reflect badly on him. He was already being accused of being elitist, so releasing information that told the public how well he’d done in school would only strengthen his critics’ position. Also, while his already intelligent supporters wouldn’t mind, it could conceivably backfire with the less intelligent/educated portion of his supporters. I’m going to have to add a well-played, Obama here
Also, I think one of the main issues why you hear so much about McCain’s, Palin’s and Bush’s scores and rankings is that they come off as not terribly bright sometimes. Obama doesn’t. Biden, no matter how many gaffes the man might make, doesn’t. So I’m not saying it’s fair, but it makes sense, in my warped mind anyway!
They didn’t release his dental records either. Perhaps he’s hiding that his teeth were working for al-quaeda…
Seriously, did anyone even ask him for his GPA? I suspect no one did. You really are trying to make a mountain out of something that isn’t even a molehill.
Well duh, everyone knows his molars have radios in them that pick up broadcasts from Al-Jazeera.
Oh, probably no one asked. The press was in the tank for Obama the whole time anyway, they never tried to dig anything up unless it showed up on youtube first and they were forced too confront it.
Hey! Let’s see how long we can make this thread! I wonder if there is a limit?
I’ll bite.
Link to explanation of latin honors is at my name.
The point isn’t trying to show that Obama is an idiot, we all know that he isn’t of subpar intelligence. But when we want to see the scores, everyone tells us this is unimportant, but Bush’s is of extreme importance because that apparently explains something.
I feel it would be perfectly fair if the media revealed his scores, good or bad. I would still have the same opinion about him. Although from what he has said he probably didn’t score much higher then bush on foreign policy issues.
*sigh*
If no other candidates’ GPAs were released, why must Obama’s for the sake of “fairness”? (I’m going to ignore ema’s comment about the media being in the tank for Barack; it’s a bovine-excrement accusation that I’ve explained over and over.)
For some reason, I feel it’s suddenly pertinent to state publicly: my college did not use traditional grades or points; therefore, I do not have college grades. You know, just in case I want to run for public office as a Democrat.
LOL, Herb, You may want to run as a Republican, so your grades won’t matter.
It’s not a double standard and the media are not going easy on anyone. Reporters don’t waste time digging for things where there’s no sign anything was every buried. If it’s common knowledge that, say, someone went to five schools before they could get any kind of degree, or they were a legacy at an ivy league school that they probably couldn’t have gotten into on their own merits, then yes, the press will scent something and go digging. If it’s common knowledge that someone graduated magna cum laude and has a doctorate, then the reporters won’t bother digging there, they will dig somewhere where there’s a sign of something wrong.
And unless you want to include Fox News as having a liberal bias, you can’t say that ALL the media are giving Obama a pass. If there were anything even the slightest bit hinky about Obama’s academic record, Fox would have been on it.
So I ask again – why are you trying to make something from nothing, ema and Trainwreck Chaser? Why do you expect the media to dig where there is no dirt? Why are YOU digging where there is no dirt?
Do you not get that maybe the reason dirt isn’t sticking to this guy because there is no real dirt so far? And that the reason that dirt sticks to Palin and Bush is because there’s just so damn MUCH of it?
Thread getting longer…..
I still say if they are sooooooo great and he is sooooooo smart, what is wrong with releasing them? Why hide them? Nothing anyone has said has explained that. What about his SAT scores? We know Bush’s scores. Bush has been accused of getting ahead because of other reasons than his scores. Ok, I will come out and say it, If Obama benefitted from Affirmative action, why can’t we know that? Is it something to be ashamed of?
I do think this can get longer…
Guinny gave a VERY good explanation ema, as did others.
He graduated Cum Laude, end of story. You want to know his
numbers? I can tell you: probably close to better than 80% of the rest
of his graduating class. Which in Harvard, I can also tell you, were
NOT bad grades.
Obama did well in school, McCain and Palin, not as good. Thats
the end of the story. Numbers are not needed when a margin of
difference is THAT huge.
Perhaps it is because Obama is known as someone who appears to be intelligent and displays excellent public speaking skills – to the point of being labled elitist. his intelligence is not doubted, so it is not an issue worth pursuing by a sensationalist media.
Palin, however, with her ‘folksy’ persona and apparent inability to handle any challenging questions, makes it easy for the media to target her intelligence. The easiest, most obvious way for the media to rank this is her education.
What mileage would the media get out of proving that the smart sounding one is smart? Showing that the dumb sounding one actually is intellectually challenged, however…
I realize that perception is reality in a lot of cases. However, I never saw Bush’s stuttering or making up words to be a detriment or a sign of a lack of intelligence. I’m biased, though, and not for the reasons you think.
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Lemme esplain
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My dad is probably one of the smartest people I know. He’s got several Bachelor’s degrees, several Masters degrees, a couple of Doctorates, and is the head of the department in which he teaches at college. His brain works faster than his mouth, unfortunately. A lot of times he will be ten sentences ahead in his mind, and just quit talking because he doesn’t realize he hasn’t finished the conversation. He will sometimes do the same thing in reverse, meaning he will pick up a conversation halfway through and not realize that you have no clue what he’s talking about. He has a bad habit of combining words, but can still debate with the best of them, if you can get him to slow down and actually say what he’s thinking at the time that he’s thinking it.
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I have also read somewhere that the combining of words as Bush and my dad do are a sign of intelligence for the reasons I just mentioned, that the brain is working at light speed and the mouth is only able to totter along, trying to catch up. It’s a function of how we were made, not a lack of intelligence.
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So I’m totally biased, but I have good reason to be
Froofrou, if you compared your father’s academic record to Bush’s, then using that as your terms of reference, would you still consider them to be on par?
Someone who can debate with the best of them when he slows down to the speed of speech is different to someone who is mystified by an autocue.
OMG froofrou, you didn’t tell me Charlie was YOUR dad too!!! We’re sisters!!! J/K, sorry but that sounds a lot like Charlie, especially the part of him picking up random conversations because his brain bounced around to it and the rest of us are going, “huh?”
I do that occasionally. Thankfully I’ve got friends who are willing to tell me they have no idea what I’m talking about, rather than attempt to play along. This gives me a chance to shut up or repeat the context of what I’m taklking about.
I know people like that froofou! Then there is ahh ah ahhhh ahhhh uhhh Ahhhbama… I wonder what that means? Thinking slower than he speaks? Ok, I’m being mean! But still, why can’t we know at least the SAT scores? We know Bushes? Just saying I don’t need to know does not make me feel good.
Seth, calm down a bit.
I did not say they were equal, I didn’t even say they were worth comparing. To me the election is over and done so there is no point in even trying.
I was merely pointing out that the hate drivel you were spouting above could easily be applied to any politician, even Obama, depending on the way you view them.
Saying she lost McCain the election? I doubt it. This election was all about whether or not Obama could win.
Also, I’d really doubt they would push her on us again, especially considering the way she’s been treated lately.
You are right, I get a little worked up about her. I tried to explain why she pushes my buttons below, but yeah, I’ll try to calm down
Gotcha.
We’re just two opposite minded people who like to debate.
That’s funny, she sounds a lot like my grandma, who ironically came dressed as Sarah Palin to a Halloween costume party.
I don’t care about Maxine Waters. I care about a woman CHOSEN to be VP of the whole SCHMERE! She is so FAIL, calling her merely FAIL doesn’t cut it!
Why is it such an evil to defend her?
I am all for less taxes, smaller federal government, and fiscal sanity, and I believe a person like Reagan could accomplish this.
The problem was that in mainstream politics this year, we didn’t have any of the above. The closest we got was Palin.
I’m not saying she would have been my favorite choice, but if it were between her and Obama, I would have picked her as the lesser of two evils.
In this election, I opted to vote 3rd party. I felt the lesser of two evils this time was not what I was willing to vote for.
Besides, there is some parity between Palin and Obama. They both have had similar time in politics, have a similar age, and would have to break some sexist/racist barrier to get into office. Would she have been a better presidential candidate than Obama? I’m not sure, but I kind of doubt it.
Come on, be serious.
Palin will forever be tied to the bridge to nowhere and has generally done little to convince anybody that she would act on the standard Republican rethoric of small government (same rethoric Bush is using). Nor did her job as gov of a state that gets a substanital part of its budget from oil companies did anything to prepare her for small government. The pipeline deal she was boasting about seems to have blown up as well, not without threatening to reap havoc on Alaska’s public finances. I, for one, find Obama’s pick of economic advisors is much more reassuring.
In any case small government is a tall order for a right wing Republican. Taxes are one way of government interfering with your liberties, legislating morality is another. If you want to see the difference between a libertarian and a selfish prick, I have a video to show you (pls click on my nick). What goes for Joe goes for people who claim they are libertarian, but only care about their tax issues.
As to similarities between Palin and Obama, there are none. He was a community organizer when she toured a number of colleges to get a bachellor in journalism. She was on the PTA and a mayor of a town with 5000 people when he was a state senator. She was gov of a state with 750,000 people when he was senator.
I’ll watch the vid when I have more time, I’m almost ready to leave work.
I wasn’t saying that she was the best choice, but that she was the most conservative, and that was why I liked her.
There are still a few similarities between them, but I never said they were equal, nor did I try to go in to detail over the similarities.
Maybe I should explain why this woman pushes my buttons so much. I have a very strong sense of justice. Seeing injustice physically pains me. I go out of my way to punish injustice when I can, even when there is a risk or cost to me to do so. This woman’s life is the epitome of injustice. To me, she represents everything wrong with America. She got where she is through looks, she has no real talent. She says one thing and does another. She is selfish, venal, small minded and ignorant, and she celebrates ignorance as a virtue.
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To me, she represents all of the awful people who have gotten ahead in life through no merit of their own, but simply through a willingness to step on anyone who gets in their way and lie with a smile. I look at her and I see all the bullies, all the con artists, all the rich trust fund preppies, all the charming sociopaths that seem to succede so easily in our country when smarter, nicer, people try harder every day and still fail. Maybe I’m not being rational about this, maybe I’m reading too much into her. But that’s what I feel when I look at her, and that is why I am so anti-Palin.
Seth, I agree with you completely in the injustice.
Though everything you had to say about her, I thought about Obama.
I guess we have two completely different views on the two same people.
I will try my hardest to give Obama a fair chance though, he did win the election and a fair margin of the popular vote, so I figure he’s worth a shot.
As for Palin, I have a feeling there’ll be a better conservative to vote for in 2012 (after Obama’s first run), so I doubt I’ll vote for her then.
You are reading way too much into this, and projecting your anger onto one person. Please, just step back, calm down and realize there are two sides to all of it. Do I like like Palin as a politician? No, not really. On the other coin I have no love for Obama, or McCain. I voted Nader. He was really the only one who seemed passionate and genuine about the office.
I would have too! Except taking my formal theory class made me vote differently…
Nader’s like your creepy uncle who shows up at family functions, has a few drinks, and rambles on about some crazy topic no one was talking about anyway.
And then gropes you.
Oh yeah, forgot that part (or maybe it was repressed)
LOL!! I attended a Nader rally when I was VERY naive. (Okay, it involved a really cute guy, so whachagonna do?) Ralph was weird, of course. However, what struck me was the sincerity of his convictions. He really does walk the walk. Say what you will, but his sincerity (however misguided) is a far cry above the scripted stuff the partisans (either flavor) spew. Part of me still wishes for a perfect world in which politicians were forced to speak the truth.
Did I mentioned this guy was REALLY-REALLY cute???
“mention,” that is…late night
Hey, that’s a valid reason for me!
Seth, I am a little unclear about your opinion here…..
And – totally agree. Thank you for typing all that for me! I would add that she has a (short term) career on Fox News and if she is as smart as her supporters say she is, she’ll take it while the taking’s good.
But she’s not smart, and she is completely delusional. She won’t take the job at Fox. I would not be surprised if she names herself as Stevens’ successor to the senate when he resigns. At the very least, she really thinks she has a shot aqt the presidency in 2012.
She’s a female Bush. no better no worse. I’m just glad we have a break from those guys until 2012 at least.
GOBAMA!
She needs to go the way of Geraldine Ferraro, a weak attempt to integrate women into the political sector. When we get real change, someone like Hilary will have a true shot, Hilary’s problem is that she was 10 years too late and she had too much excess baggage.
I disagree with that. Bush made a god awful president yes, I hope he goes into obscurity, but where Palin is a manipulating horrific bitch Bush has had moments where he shows respect and remorse for strangers.
perhaps it is glurge, but there is a true account of him offering a wounded soldier a salute, taking the position of a subordinate, and while the man is an idiot, liar and a cheat I can at least believe he is not the pure evil that is Palin.
Palin is not bright enough to be a bitch. A bitch has to have brains, motive, etc. Sarah can ASPIRE to BECOME a bitch. In the meantime, she is a sad, put-upon whore for the Republican Party. C’mon: Even goggies noes theyr favrit newspaprz!
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Sarah Palin=Dolores Umbridge. That’s all there is to it.
JSC, that is twice that you’ve made me spew coffee! TFF!!
I love it when people get my HP jokes. If you haven’t already been to potter puppet pals, click my name. Mysterious Ticking Noise is my fav!
Thanks for that! I didn’t know about it. I’m going to lose some weight before I hug you.
good lord I love the mysterious ticking noise. It is by far my favorite
“Singing our song, all day long, at HOOOOOGWAAAAAAARTS!!!” Although there is a special place in my heart during Bothering Snape when Dumbledore has “naked time”.
I agree! Besides being funny, it replaced the $5 Footlong song in my head to the Voldemort song–WHEW!! Now I don’t have to beat the cats!
“I liked the part where he stopped moving..”
Yeah Jane, but I don’t know if anyone noticed, but she’s HOT! She may even be hotter than Hilary, can you imagine?
I hope you’re being sarcastic, otherwise not only would I disown you, but I’d rat you out to Mrs. Foxtrot, she’d tell you what she thought of that opinion (and she might just find something even more complicated than the shed to work on next summer).
ME?
Well, maybe that will convince her supporters that she IS toxic.
I’d laugh if it weren’t so scary.
I’m all for *fewer* taxes, or less *taxation.*
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Or, more accurately, I’m all for fewer grammar errors being tossed around by stupid, narcissistic, delusional, small-minded, hypocritical politicians and aped by the media.
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*steps off soapbox*
Bravo/Brava, C! My favorite say-nothing phrase is “sooner rather than later.” What has just been said? Squat!
*steps off soapbox*
All I can say to that is a hearty “ditto”.
Except that Obama is neither dumb and is a bit too introspective. He also knows that Africa is a continent, and that being able to see Russia from your state doesn’t make you an expert on foreign policy. No, I’m afraid that Palin was quickly seen for exactly what she was — a fad.
I’ll bet he could even name a few newspapers.
So far I’ve heard talks of her, Rush Limbaugh, and Mitt Romney (again…) going up for election in 2012. It was something on the MSNBC as an add on to an article about new mistakes she made in her run with the campaign, including new light on her wardrobe expenses as well as apparently she made the mistake of calling Africa a country and not a continent.
I hope to god she’s not planning on running in ‘12 or ever again. I’m hoping the people in Alaska boot her ass outta her current seat come their next elections.
I hope she runs in 2012. She will single-handedly destroy the Republican party if she does. Republicans will be the laughing stock of America and the world if they ever have anything to do with Sarah Palin again. She’s that bad, you guys have to get it through your heads, she is toxic to your party and to America.
You know, if she does destroy the Republican party, It might be a good thing.
We could then either rebuild the party with a sound background (not this conservative and neocon stuff), or embrace a good third party and destroy the 2 party system.
Although, the republican party doesn’t agree very well right now.
Ooooh, that is a thought. Waiting for a party to finish failing so we can sweep up the pieces.
I heard a good analysis of the ‘pubs the other day, separating the fiscal conservatism and social conservatism. They’ve been pandering so much to the social conservatists they’ve lost the focus on fiscal policy. So you end up with a bunch of religious extremists and noting to show for in economic improvements.
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If the Republican Party toned down the social issues conservatism and focused on small government, etc, I might actually vote for a few!
Ditto.
I’ve read some of the more moderate Republicans saying wrt to extreme wing of the party, “they don’t speak for me” (sorry if I repeat points I’ve made in other posts), but I don’t think they’re heard, if for no other reason than the fact that the wingnuts are more flamboyant, and hence, better TV.
*nodnods* I was raised a republican, I have a lot of republican views. I want nothing to do with the current republican party, and it makes me sick to watch the party talk now because I have associated myself with them for 26 years.
I agree with you here as well. Damn, Orlana, get out of my head!
This was an unusually perceptive comment for you cobrajoe. Well said.
Other countries seem to function fairly well with more than 2 parties, so it’s obviously possible. Interesting to think of it happening here.
I couldn’t agree more. The one thing I have major issues with her running is that all she is, is a major step back for women jumping the gender boundaries. As soon as I saw McCain’s choice I thought to myself “wow, there’s a real chance a woman will be seated in one of the two highest seats of our country. I just hope his pick isn’t just a horribly veiled attempt at pulling the female vote.”
Sadly, it was the latter, and Palin did nothing to make me proud to see a woman have a real shot at having the power she might have been given. In fact, she did everything to make me feel ashamed to be the same gender as her.
I had the same reaction.
Limbaugh??? God I hope that’s a joke.
Look at it this way, if she’s in entertainment, at least she’s out of politics. The prospect of her taking over from Stevens and getting on the national stage is chilling, and it’s quite possible. There is something very wrong with the Alaska vote – it doesn’t match up at all with the same polling that was so accurate everywhere else. It’s like thousands of Democratic votes just ….. evaporated. There’s no way Stevens should win, at least not without some serious irregularities going unchallenged, but if he does, that may be Palin’s ticket to a Senate seat.
I’m sure she could land a gig in hate radio, right between Glenn Beck and Michael Savage. Assuming the senate thing doesn’t work out, that is.
If the fairness doctrine makes it through, then those two will be out of a job. *sigh* Authoritarianism, here we come.
By all rights they should be, the talentless hacks. All they do is play to divisiveness and meanness of spirit, and get paid for doing it. They’re a cancer on America.
But yet, they have listeners and advertisers who want to pander to those listeners. Damn free market.
That’s one of the many things I love about you!
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Al Franken should have done what Rush and everyone else did, build himself up from nothing by having things people want to listen to. Rush is huge because he appeals to a certain base, not because we are forcing people to listen to him. He started in a tiny ass little station 25 years ago, and built an empire. people like Al Franken come along, and when they aren’t instant successes they start stomping their feet like little kids and demand the fairness doctrine so that people will have to listen to them.
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If you feel they are talentless hacks who should be taken off the air, why don’t you go to the advertisers who pay these people’s salaries and offer a boycott of their products until they are off the air? That seems to work when a huge group of people wants to boycott Disney *rolls eyes*
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I’m a little pissed, n8. You usually come off as less hateful
If they are so talentless, why do they have such a hugh listenership? They must be making money for the advertisers. Then there are people who are incredibly talented and intelligent like Michael Medved and Laura Ingraham. It would be a huge loss if they weren’t around.
Because it’s exciting for some people. They like to see the other side “getting put in their place” or whatever. They like to have an outlet for their anger and hate. They like to have someone tell them exactly what to think.
So ema and i are now mindless drones, along with the biggest listening audience anywhere? Thanks, nice to know you care.
a) I don’t care. I never cared.
b) Note I said “some people”. Quit tilting at windmills and creating hyperbole, it makes it difficult to take you seriously at all.
@ CK
I’m used to being the slow one, so no big whoop, but I had never heard (read) the phrase “tilting at windmills,” so I looked it up. What a terrific expression! Are you British?
Ah… Don Quixote. I had to read it for school, but I later was forced to drop the class because I had read everything else on the course list.
LET’S HAVE A BEACH PARTY IN LONDON!
Nice expression, kind of overkill in this circumstance though. Also, fairness doctrine is a real threat to freedom of speech.
No I’m in MN, but I have friends from there so I’ve adopted some terms like “cheers” and “bloody” and “wanker” and “tosser”. Great for getting swear words past Maericanized website filters too!
*Americanized, but my misspelling oddly works too…
Ema, you and froofrou need to get over it and stop beating the Fairness Doctrine drum. Obama doesn’t support it, only a handful of dems do, and it’s never going to get passed. MOVE ON. Damn.
ck, thanks for the ’splain. I still say “cheers,” “bloody hell” and “brolly” from being around Brits years ago. (Sounds really funny with a Texas accent, too!) I agree that the Fairness Doctrine is ready for a fork. Now for my fifth favorite word: MOOT!
@ck: I certainly hope so…
As far as ‘beating the fairness doctrine’ drum, as long as Nancy Pelosi is about three votes short of being God, then it’s a problem, especially since she and her butt-buddy Reid support it.
today has been a good day. I’ve seen both a shakespeare and don quixote reference. I love when people use classical literature allusions.
If they were simply ‘hate-filled bags of pus’, as you so aptly put it, then their audience would die out, a la Al Franken’s audience. A shock jock appeals to a certain type of person, and that’s it. I don’t listen to Howard Stern, because I think he’s an idiot. There are only so many boob jokes you can make before getting tiresome. Rush and Hannity, on the other hand, tend to try to explain the anger of the left in a meaningful, albeit an over the top, Conservative way. It’s interesting to me that you see points that differ from your view as ‘hateful’ and ‘not worth taking seriously’. And I find it interesting that you view ema and I as basically stupid drones who are arguing points that either we don’t really believe or that aren’t worth taking seriously anyway. Your hatred is puzzling. And before you disagree with me calling you hateful toward ema and I, comments you’ve made in the past (especially toward me) peg you firmly in the hateful column.
I don’t think you’re hateful, I think you’re retarded… God’s chosen people with a straight face? You couldn’t make this stuff up. So stupid drones covers it nicely, thanks for the term to use.
The reason I use sarcasm is *because* it’s the lowest form of wit.
IT means the largest number of people understand it.
And I don’t think I ever claimed to be a ‘nice guy’… Old Freddie N got the gist when he said about fighting monsters. Look upon it as co-creation
There’s a lot of money being spent on pornography now too. That doesn’t mean the porn industry is full of talented people, though.
Well, y’know, somewhat talented, sure. For certain values of “talented”
I can’t say this often enough: the only people talking Fairness Doctrine is the right wing talk show hosts. I haven’t found a single liberal politician or talk show host who’s talking about it, other than to say “The right wingers seem to be talking a lot about the Fairness Doctrine, but why?”
I’ll concede there may be some local politician or radio show host talking about it, but I’ve never heard of it, and it’s a dead issue.
Michael Savage hates Palin, he’s an independent, he even hates Bush, not crazy about McCain, he doesn’t like Obama though either… I guess he doesn’t like anyone!
Perhaps if Mao Zedong were able to run, Savage would have a candidate he could get behind. (Haha! *avoids DWN’s wang*)
The only person he could get behind I think would be himself!
No, there’s a view I can subscribe to.
If it makes you feel any better, Seth, I think her fifteen minutes of fame are pretty much over. She’ll undoubtedly still be a raging narcissist (they tend to stay that way), but without the attention and adulation that she believes to be her rightful due.
Actually, I think she’s a shoo-in win for Paris Hiltons New BFF, or whatever that show is called!
Perspective of a foreign devil welcome here? From what I can see at this distance, George Bush and Sarah Palin would, in all likelihood, be pretty damn funny if you met them at the pub on a Saturday afternoon. They’d probably make pretty good neighbors, they might even be good to have over for a barbecue.
The sad truth is that the last eight years (or in Sarah’s case, the last eighteen weeks, or whatever) has unfortunately proven that – shonky movies to the contrary – the Oval Office isn’t a place for normal people. In all honesty, if someone got me up in front of all those cameras, I would come across a whole lot worse than Sarah. And I’m nice, and I’ve never blown up a moose or anything…
Based on the word ‘pub’, I’d not want either on a school board of governors…
Couldn’t agree more. Many have told her that her 15 minutes have expired, but she is in fact too dumb to recognize that. The Republican party really needs to re-examine, very carefully, who their “base” is, because the evangelical right is fast becoming irrelevant in America.
Hey, this was actually funny.
Not Laugh Out Loud funny, but still…
Are you referring to the picture, or her political career?
The picture.
I was actually rooting for her, she was my favorite out of all the major party candidates. There wasn’t much for us conservatives to be excited in this election.
You and every comedian in the world…
There’s actually a part of me that feels sorry for her…there was no way she was ready for that spotlight.
On the other hand, when McCain’s own handlers come out and say that she “is a Wasilla hillbilly looting Nieman Marcus from coast-to-coast”, it makes one question why he chose her in the first place. Hope she got some warm clothes out of it, I hear it’s getting cold in Alaska…
Yeah, it now looks like he chose her without the approval of his party leaders.
Or they could be trying to pass the buck now that they see that she was a bad choice for running mate. “Oh, no, sirree, that wasn’t MY idea.”
I thought he chose her when they told him he couldn’t have Joe Leiberman. I feel really sorry for John McCain. He deserved to go down more gracefully than that! Towards the end, it was hard to watch him at rallies. Remember that Iraqi guy, “Baghdad Bob,” who kept going on the air saying that Iraqis were defeating U.S. forces? That’s who McCain reminded me of, and it was sick-sad.
yeah. It’s sad he went down in flames. Outside of politics he’s a good guy, I do respect many of the things he’s done…meh.
That’s certainly the impression we had from our distance – the poor man, standing out there shouting “the Mac is back!” in the full knowledge that anyone (at least anyone with enough foresight to have a pee before a long car-trip) would just laugh. Baghdad Bob came to mind, except that unlike BB, McCain himself looked like a thoroughly decent man.
We down here in Oz won’t miss George, we’ve loved everything we’ve seen of Barack… but we were more than impressed with the quality of McCain’s heart. His concession speech was one to define grace and dignity.
Ah, my apologies for the mortal insult of thinking you were a Brit.
Now that this picture has little to talk about
Frou Frou, did you change your name from someone else?
Do what????? I am me, dude!
I too am puzzled by this question and am currently loading my profanity bombs in case of unwarranted insult against our dear Froufrou…
I think TC’s name has been hijacked by a dumba$$.
Is it ema? where is ema?
And I thought ema was a girl…
I come in occassionally, read a few comments, feel out of place and leave. What’s up with you today? Is what ema? Why do you think I’m not a girl?
I thought that you were froofrou.
Froofrou is a girl too…
well you know, there can’t be two girls on the internet, that would be quite silly indeed
Sure there can. We’ll all talk on Princess phones while lounging on canopy beds and eating bonbons out of a heart-shaped box.
[that sounds kinda fun, actually]
*blushes* You mean.. we’re not already doing that? *pushes her bonbons out of sight* Ummm, wow, this is embarassing.
Better than millions of us guys who apparently type feverishly from
our parents basements… typing with one hand that is…
Sometimes with no hands at all.
>_>
<_<
Hmm, how come? That’s flattering…
Cause I haven’t been on in awhile, and when I swore someone imitated you, maybe that was just jane. So I figured you switch your name.
I think i need to get back into a routine, especially working out. I seem to be off my game.
I hear ya about the routine, working out is one of my top priorities. It helps to keep me sane.
Well I mean it! You have great diplomacy skills!
Ever think of going into government?
I’m far too passionate, lol. I come off as diplomatic here because the cussing I do over some of the commets kind of wears off before I get it typed
Everyone tells me I should have been on the debate team in high school, but I think I would have failed the first time I jumped over the podium to strangle the other debator. Then again……… 
Oh wait I know what I did
Eddie wrong
Ema/Froofrou
I got confused there.
Funnything is he wrong
TC/Phaelin/and one other person and I understood that.
I’m weird.
Wait, what? Time to cut the dosage, man!
No, eddie wan’t trying to say that ema and froofrou are the same person, just that he had the same message for both of them. You feeling okay man?
That’s a good question.
???
Gosh I just read that, I must have been trying to do things twice, my friend was joking around with me how he is never wrong.
Oh man, i’m gonna get some sleep.
at the same time*
yeah I’m done today.
My week has been nutty.
I feel your pain. Rest up and come back at us clear headed!
Indeed, I hear ya man… but you’re scaring me, and others here. Please get some
rest and come back to us the TC we love and debate with…
I kind of feel sorry for her.
Fish out of water through no fault of her own.
And come 2012, I’ll vote for her. In the primaries, not the general.
Terrifying that there are still people who think she’d make a good candidate. (I say candidate because you indicate that you’d not vote for her in the general)…Why not go the whole way and jump off the building and vote her in as President?!
Unless Mike’s a dem and think that if she wins the primaries Obama will have an easy time taking her out. If you’re a dem the primaries are going to be a waste for you next time anyway, why not f*ck up the other party by trying to get someone who doesn’t have a chance of winning the nomination.
That’s what Rush Limbaugh was pushing during the Democratic primaries. He encouraged Republicans to vote for Obama. At the time, Obama was seen as the weak one who could more easily be defeated by the Republicans than Clinton.
You didn’t listen to the show, apparently, LOL. Rush was telling people to vote for HILLARY, in order to get Obama more properly vetted. It’s all in the archives of his show, on his website. He said that if McCain wasn’t going to bloody up Obama, then he’d just have to get Hillary to do it. The funny thing is, when Rush would say something on the air about what Hillary should do in order to stay in the race a little longer, about three days later she would do it and would get a jump in the polls. Rush never said who he wanted to run against McCain, since he never really liked McCain. He just wanted to make sure things like Ayers, Wright, and others were brought out of Obama’s past at some point. Who better to get dirt on people than the Clintons?
… that and trying to stir up the notion of PUMAs rioting in Denver.
I know he meant it (supposedly) in jest, but calling for riots in my town? Pardon my not laughing. He called for followers to switch their party so they could cast ballots with the sole intent of causing chaos in the primaries. In most places, that would be considered criminal behavior. Here, you hire a good lawyer and publicist.
Rush was not stirring up riots in Denver, he was bringing the group Recreate 68 into the limelight. And how is getting people to vote in a different primary illegal, especially in states where you dont declair a party, like Texas? Do you honestly think that if what he did was illegal he wouldn’t have had charges filed? People on the Left have been out to get Rush off the air for years.
I’ll let Colorado speak for itself. But: Hello? Texas, the Home of The Bush??? Texas is a red state, albeit less red than before. People can incite injustice without crossing the legal lines here, certainly. That DOES NOT make CRAPPY actions LEGIT!! Rush is a Drama Queen Extraordinaire. Such drama keeps his advertisers happy, but does nothing to further the intellectual discourse here, or elsewhere in the nation. Long written off, there are people here who believe him. It’s creepy, but 23% of Texans still think Obama is a Muslim/Muslin (religion/cloth)!
Rush may be a Drama Queen (we are in total agreement there, lol), but he is popular, and there is no reason to take him off the air. No more so than say, any of the other shock jocks like Howard Stern or the nappy headed comment guy (drawing a blank). If the advertisers are willing to pay because such people have a following, then let them be. There is a following for a reason. Just so you know, Rush isn’t making up the statistics he’s using about his ‘rightness’ factor. He’s exaggerating a little (ok, a LOT), but he is right an extraordinarily large amount of the time. Especially on matters of who’s going to get into what office, and what they’re going to do when they get there. I think his defense of Bush is overboard, but what can I say? I still like Bush as a person, even if I haven’t agreed with him for the last 3-5 years.
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And I guess I missed the memo that said that being crappy is no longer legal. Hmmm. Need to check my mailbox for that one.
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(p.s. forgive my horrible spelling in the last post; I was using a phone to type fat-fingered a few keys)
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I’m sorry, I’m proud to be from Texas, I’m proud to be a Rush listener, I’m proud to be an NPR listener, I’m proud to be a SNL watcher, I’m proud to be a Fox News watcher, and I’m proud to be the most anachronistic person you’ll ever meet!
Go with yer guts, girl! One correction, tho: I said “legit,” not “legal.” You missed a memo, just not the one you thought.
Except Don Imus, the name you were looking for, did get taken off air for that comment.
I thought he was kicked off for that Nappy Headed __ comment. Did he do something worse???
That is what I said. She couldn’t remember Don Imus’s name and referred to him as the guy that made the nappy headed comment. She was suggesting that he kept his job in spite of it, when actually the audience’s outrage cost him his job.
@Christine Thank you for clearing that up. I misread your comment. Imus is on some paid-for radio thing now, so he wasn’t out of a job for long. I’m glad he’s off of MSNBC, because Morning Joe, the replacement show, is SOOO much better for discourse, humor, et c.
If anyone has a face for radio, it’s that guy.
Don Imus anyway, didn’t see Rhorho’s comment when I posted
I never liked Imus, he thinks he’s funny but he so isn’t. I don’t think he is racist though, he was just trying to be funny and since he is stupid he failed. He does a lot of charity work for sick kids but that will probably have to stop since he was fired.
Didn’t Imus get his job back?
I thought he was on satellite now…
No, I distinctly HEARD what I HEARD. You may have been listening to a different show, with different instructions. Perhaps you were listening at a different time, but you will certainly find conflicting instruction elsewhere in Rush’s archives. I totally remember it, because my parents, doing Rush’s will, voted for Obama in the Texas Democratic primary. I freaked, because my folks are TOTAL Republicans: If I had been born a boy, my parents were going to name me “Lee Harvey,” OKAY? Rush is all about whatever it takes to rile his audience. After all, what is a shock-jock without a shock?
He may have said to vote for Obama at the Texas primaries, but that was because he was trying to keep Obama and Hillary in a dead heat for as long as he could. Go back and read the archives. His main goal was not to get a certain one into the nomination, but rather to drag out the nomination for as long as possible to get the Dems eating each other. It worked, too. Have you ever seen a primary season last as long as this one?????
And yet the Dems formed a far stronger front in the end than the Reps. McCain’s camp had nonstop negative rumors, shipjumpers, fingerpointers, and a constant fight between McCain’s people and Palin’s people. Way to fail, Rushie.
You could be very right about that. Although I think that McCain would have had a better chance had he run the campaign like Rush was telling him to, lol. Every time Hillary did what Rush said she did better, and the few times that McCain seemed to take his advice his poll numbers jumped along with it. Now, don’t get me wrong, I don’t think that Rush is the end-all of politics, but he does have his finger on the pulse and seems to read it pretty well. He’s like any other well-informed pundit.
Truly, it was a crazy year! You could say Rush’s strategy backfired, possibly. What didn’t kill Obama made him stronger, it could be opined.
It is her fault though, she could have said, ‘No.’
In theory, sure.
But think about it – somebody offers you a shot at the #2 spot in your profession. Could you say “no”? In a profession with well-defined qualifications or one where introspection and humility are rewarded, you might say “I’m not up to it”. But politics isn’t either of those, and here is McCain, one of the masters of the game, telling you you can do it.
My comment about Palin in the primaries, though, was the tip of a complex thought. Her career from here out will say a lot about the Republican party. Unless the Republicans recast her as completely and irreparably incompetent, or she bows out of the National spotlight forever, she will define a branch of the party sharply enough that I would not be surprised to see three viable choices on the ballot in 2012:
Democratic: Obama
Rah Rah GOP: Palin
New Republican (social moderate, fiscal conservative, semi-isolationist foreign policy): McCain 2000
Yeah, I like the idea of Palin as a boat-anchor on the big-government borrow-and-spend rule-the-world theocrats. I also hope we get a legitimate conservative party, because on pretty much every value that conservatism is about, the current GOP is even worse than the Democrats.
I agree with having some sympathy for her. Long ago I was taught that there are people who don’t know that they don’t know. She enjoyed an 80% favorable rating as governor, before McCain tapped her. Now, her negatives are up to 65%, she’s still entertaining thoughts that she is a national player, and it’s all a mess! Her form-over-substance has gotten her far, but her wax wings have melted in the sun.
Let’s not give her any reason to rebuild those wings, then, eh?
Yes, we only need one Trainwreck Chaiser around here, eh?
Palin/Fey 2012
McCain/Popeye 2012
Cthulhu/Sauron 2012
“Why settle for the lesser evil?”
Cthulu/Shug Naggurth
Lets not mix mythologies, shall we?
*Shub Naggurth.
Holding baby makes typing hard.
Shub Naggurth AND holding the baby? Why are all the good ones taken…
*sigh* Tell me about it.
I was happy when my friend got my son “Baby’s First Mythos.” It was A-Z with Cthulhu mythos characters. I loves it.
Glad I’m not the only one that was bothered by that. If we wanted to go the other way we could say Sauron/Saruman 2012 (and no, dorks, I don’t have my copy of LOTR in front of me so if I missedspelled Saruman DEAL WITH IT)
Or maybe even misspelled. WTF.
Shub Niggurath…
If you’re going to invoke the Goat with a Thousand Young, spell her name correctly…
Actually with five kids and making noises about a 6th, I think we just had McCain/Shub Niggurath…
It’s a uterus, not a clown car!
I’d vote for cthulu, sure i’d die, but so would all the really stupid people in the world…like palin
Vader / Nader?
Unsafe in any galaxy…
but the dark side has cookies
The difference between Obama and Palin is that Obama recognizes the hype around him while Palin embraces it.
Obama makes jokes about being sent to Earth from Krypton and wanting Greek pillars around him. It’s satire. He recognizes the hype that his built up around him and will be the first to say that it’s just hype. He is not the second coming of Christ and will be the first person to admit that.
Palin, on the other hand, actually believes the !@#$ that comes out of her mouth about ‘Real America’ and how she’s just a regular ol’ gal. When she talks about small town values it’s rapidly apparent to anybody actually living in a small town that she doesn’t know what she’s talking about.
Wait, she HAS a job! She’s going to be ambassador to the country of Africa! Nicholas Sarkozy called me up and told me so.
LOL.
Maybe Sarah could do a spread in Hustler magazine. The name fits, anyway.
They’re already making a lookalike Palin porno anyway…scary…
Oh Larry Flynt…. what’ll you think of next?
I reall ywant to bang Palin. Can someone please make that happen for me?
What – you mean you didn’t vote? Your entire country pretty-well did that to her, chum… wasn’t pretty, was it? Ahh well – time to bring the tone back up into the gutter…
What’s stopping you? She’s got all kinds of free time now. Give her a call.
Gee, this must me a Democratic rag, like the Boston Globe.
Sort of like those stupid reality shows,
starring & produced by morons.
Let’s see if you are all better off in 4 years,
after you have had you’re chance to f— it up.