In retrospect, Joe the Plumber
In retrospect, Joe the Plumber finds that alienating half his client base is what’s REALLY going to separate him from his wealth
(Joe the Plumber)
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First to say…
He wouldn’t have been my contractor because he’s not licensed. People who hire unlicensed contractors get what they pay for and have no recourse if they are screwed by the work.
They just made contractor licenses a lot harder to come by: now one has to take classes in order to be a contractor. /sarcasm
lol!
Also, his first name is Sam, not Joe.
Wouldn’t that make him Sam the Butcher?
Now I’m all kinds of confused.
he works for a licensed plumbing contractor. try getting your facts from somewhere other than MoveOn.org/MSNBC, dumbass.
Uh, it seems to work for Hollywood, the music industry, the entertainment industry, Apple, Facebook…
Oh yeah, and THE CHEEZBURGER NETWORK.
but he still has 75 days to get part-time work teaching wreconomics and bible-based biology at George W. Bush High.
Just kidding. As long as you don’t count prescription medication or Jesus, George hasn’t been high in at least 15 years.
Creation science plumbing?
I don’t think that plumbing would hold much water.
And Obama hasn’t been high in roughly the same amount of time, soo…
Well, we did everything we could to tear his ass down and did a pretty good job! We can’t have any uppity white guys question the PRESIDENT’s policies even if they are poorly thought out and will hurt the middle class more than the “rich”.
No-one fell for any of this schtick about tax cuts for the middle classes ‘hurting them’ or the evil scary black man oppressing white people. Try again in four years.
Hey, we all had to shut up for eight years when Bush/Cheney trashed the economy, and the environment, and the Constitution, and lied us into an unnecessary war — and anyone who dared to speak out was labeled a terrorist and a traitor, “you’re either with us or against us” — so yeah, now it’s your turn. Suck it up.
Please name one time when anyone shut up in the last 8 years.
Were you out of town when they outed Valerie Plame (thereby endangering her safety, if not her life) because her husband dared to utter an opinion they didn’t like?
Dude Tessie, you’re an idiot… no one has shut up about bush once. Liberals have been bitching about him since the 2000 election. I feel sorry for you that you are such an angry person to say something like, “its your turn now”. This is why people call liberals unpatriotic, because they care more about their party than they do about the country. Great job in y’alls attempts to destroy Joe The Plumber because he dared to question your messiah!
Joe the Plumber destroyed himself. I just point and laugh, really.
Strawman fail.
So, you’re saying that the Bush/Cheney cabal *didn’t* out Valerie Plame because her husband said that no WMDs were found? Putting someone’s physical safety in jeopardy because they expressed an opinion you dislike is pretty equivalent to shutting them up in my worldview. Matt asked a question, and I responded with a factually accurate answer.
By the way, as my name would imply to someone of normal intelligence, I’m not a “dude”.
Catch up with reality – JTP went and shot himself down with great bursts of nonsense on everyone’s favorite fair & balanced news network. If FOX says it, it MUST be true, right?
Are you suggesting that we all opposed Bush because we liked the Democrats better? I’m a Green, dude. Try again.
By the way, I served in the Army longer than Bush did in the Air Force. Didn’t go AWOL either. And active duty, not National Guard. So take your “you don’t care about your country” and SUCK on it.
I was quiet when I was asleep wasn’t I?
hurrah for irony… i hope?
Good thing is that the economy and the laws can be changed… the sad part is that the environment and the ravages of war are not that easy to get over…
God help us!!
Whine, whine, whine. I’m sure you’re a real world class economist and totally know what you’re talking about.
I may be making an assumption about who you supported, but your candidate himself most graciously asked his supporters to work together with our president-elect and all Americans. Why don’t you give it a try?
Especially considering that the “real world class economists” conservatives depend upon claimed that the current economic crisis would never happen in the first place…
Sheesh.
Joe the Plumber was on welfare. His parents were on welfare. And now he whines about socialism and welfare. What an idiot.
That would be juicy but citation please.
He said it on Fox. It’s on youtube. Here.
el oh effin el, thanks for that mate
*bows*
Thank you! I will use this link in the future when I have to explain the difference between being libertarian and being a selfish piece of shit.
I hear that!
An excellent statement.
At least as far as the Libertarian Party goes, are you trying to tell me there is one?
Nope.
*grips midriff* Ohgodohgodohgod… between this & the Wasilla Hillbillies I’m in pain from teh laffings…
you get pain from taking the “L ” out of Palin
This man is a complete tool. As much of a tool as the ones he has in his toolbox. Where is Joe the Plumber now????? Suddenly he doesn’t have much to say for himself. GRRRRRRRRR
“Suddenly he doesn’t have much to say for himself. ”
I see nothing to object to there.
It was an interview on Hannity and Colmes! Click my name. The right wing are eating their own, desperately looking to place blame on anything but on the fact that America has rejected their core message.
He was on welfare twice as a kid, once as an adult. Claims it’s okay, because he paid into the welfare system, except… he’s a tax cheat, so he’s not paying into anything. Typical Republican hypocrisy. Denounce socialism while feeding at the public trough, then refuse to pay your share. Sick and sad. It’s no wonder America so resoundingly rejected the Republican’s false ideals.
They pull the same crap with abortion. Deny it to everyone else, but let their daughters get into a little trouble and they show up at the clinic, and not to protest it, either.
LOL, you’d think the McCain campaign would have done a little more digging before putting him on their pedestal. Palin too. But whatever, that campaign rank of desperation.
Friday night, Charlie Rose Show, Tom Brokaw and Charlie Rose.
ROSE: I don’t know what Barack Obama’s worldview is.
BROKAW: No, I don’t either.
ROSE: I don’t know how he really sees where China is.
BROKAW: We don’t know a lot about Barack Obama and the universe of his thinking about foreign policy.
ROSE: I don’t really know. And do we know anything about the people who are advising him?
BROKAW: You know that’s an interesting question.
ROSE: He is principally known through his autobiography and through very aspirational (sic) speeches, two of them.
BROKAW: I don’t know what books he’s read.
ROSE: What do we know about the heroes of Barack Obama?
BROKAW: There’s a lot about him we don’t know.
Shame they can’t use Google really…
Last time I checked, Brokaw is one of the most ‘respected’ journalists on television. And he’s supposed to know all and be all. Interesting how the mainstream media, who have been kissing the feet of Obama this entire election and slamming Palin for not being vetted properly are JUST NOW bringing up the fact that Obama wasn’t vetted either. At least not to the point that they went through his trash to find things out (a la Joe The Plumber).
Brokaw was also in the tank for McCain…
Also, despite your implications, one guy on one show != the entire mainstream media.
From Newsweek, Evan Thomas and Jon Meacham are on the Charlie Rose, and they’re talking about Obama and how Saul Alinsky is a big community organizer, dedicated his book to Satan, the first real conscientious objector to power. Here’s their conversation.
THOMAS: Saul Alinsky is, uh, really was a model from this, er, famous community organizer in Chicago, and this whole idea that Alinsky had that it’s not gonna work if you offend large groups of people. You know, we think of community organizers as having their fist out and, you know? Ah, no, no, no, no, no. You have to win over the majority by being peaceful and nonthreatening. Saul Alinsky used the word “nonthreatening.” This is key to Obama. There’s no militancy involved. This is very important and — and his chief strategist, Axelrod, really understood this. Especially if you’re running a black guy for president, you cannot threaten the whites.
MEACHAM: He’s very elusive, Obama, which is fascinating for a man who’s written two memoirs. At Grant Park he walks out with the family, and then they go away.
ROSE: Mmm. Mmm-hmm.
MEACHAM: Biden’s back, you know, locked in the bar or something.
ROSE: (haughty chuckle)
MEACHAM: You know, they don’t let him out. And have you ever seen a victory speech where there was no one else on stage?
ROSE: Mmm.
MEACHAM: No adoring wife, no cute kid. He is the messenger.
THOMAS: There is a slightly creepy cult of personality about all this. I mean, he’s such an admirable –
ROSE: Slightly. Creepy. Cult of personality.
THOMAS: Yes.
ROSE: What’s slightly creepy about it?
THOMAS: It — it — it just makes me a little uneasy that he’s so singular. He’s clearly managing his own spectacle. He’s a deeply manipulative guy.
ROSE: Watching him last night in that speech, he finishes –
MEACHAM: Yeah.
ROSE: — and he sort of — it’s almost like he then ascends to look at the circumstance.
MEACHAM: He watches us watching him.
THOMAS: Watching him!
ROSE: Exactly!
THOMAS: He does –
MEACHAM: It’s amazing.
ROSE: It is amazing.
THOMAS: He writes about this metaphor being a screen upon which Americans will project. He said they want of Barack Obama; I’m not sure I am Barack Obama.
ROSE: Mmm.
THOMAS: He has the self-awareness to know that this creature he’s designed isn’t necessarily a real person, and he’s self-aware enough –
ROSE: Ahhhhhh.
Sorry about the wall of text, guys! I didn’t realize it was that long! And I appologize for the semi-trolling here. I didn’t know how else to get this here
I wish these idiots would quit with the circle-jerking and get around to real reporting. Instead of going “duuuhhhhh we don’t know anything about this guy,” he’s got a website up now, it’s change.gov, they can go LOOK at what he says he stands for and discuss that like rational human beings.
But oh no. It’s gotta be the circle jerk. Don’t these buttholes ever get laid? Srsly.
I’ll admit, the mainstream media likes obama, and for good reason. And not being vetted properly isn’t the only reason the media (and now the republicans in her own campaign) are attacking her. It’s because they know a Palin administration would be disasterous. I knew when this was all over, her own party would throw her under the bus after they realized she wasn’t good enough. I personally think Obama has his heart in the right place, granted he’s a little inexperienced. As for Joe the Plumber, of course the media was rifling through his stuff. That’s what they do, in case you haven’t noticed. And if they somehow they turn up big dirt on Obama, he’ll lose some credibility. But right now, there’s nothing to see. My only concern right now, is watching Obama dig us out of Bush’s grave, while overseeing to make sure he does it right.
My feelings exactly. For all the conservatives who like her, please, stop and think. She is the mean cheerleader from high school who invited you to the popular kids party, but then they wouldn’t let you in and they all laughed at you through the window. She has tricked you, that’s what mean girls do. She KNOWS she’s better than you. She pretends like she likes you, but you are sub-human in her eyes, unless you are pretty, popular, and have a lot of money. She IS NOT a good person, she is not like you, she isn’t on your side. She is using you, all the while laughing at you behind your back for being so stupid. Do you like being used by a person who has utter contempt for you? Don’t be chumps, please, you are smarter than that. All the bullshit that is coming out now, from McCain staffers and Fox News ought to clue you in. Temper tantrums about negative press, forcing staffers to buy her things on their own credit cards and not reimbursing them, not knowing that Africa is a continent, admit it: you were terribly, terribly wrong about Sarah Palin. Supporting her at this point only makes you look like patsies.
“She is the mean cheerleader from high school who invited you to the popular kids party”
Wow, you really hit the nail on the head with that statement. I’m gonna be stealing it!
Very true.
It’s so disingenous for anybody to slam Obama for being inexperienced. So how does that justify two terms of Bush? The man only served in public office as governor of Texas. Now, that’s a bully pulpit position. The lt. governor has more power than he did. And that’s all he did, besides be given businesses to run which he promptly ran into the ground. OH GEE WHAT A SHOCK.
At least Obama had some time as a senator, yanno–actually got to experience D.C. politics from some perspective besides his daddy was working there and invited him for dinner.
‘He’s supposed to know all and be all’. No, no, no, that’s succumbing to TV culture. It’s his business as a TV journalist to project a knowing image. If Brokaw didn’t do his homework, you can’t believe that NO ONE else has. That’s tantamount to my mother saying, “Well it said so in the newspapaper.” Remember just a few years ago when just about every major newspaper got caught in the hoax about blondes dying out of the genepool?
‘Respected Reporter’… *sigh* yet another media whore who’d sell his mother for a new story. I should be impressed?
You certainly have a low opinion of your secret services abilities to check the background of the President elect.
Having said that, if they’d been worth a damn the WTC wouldn’t have become a smoking hole and we’d not be in Iraq now, so I suppose I can see how a has-been TV talking head can have something that the Secret Service, the FBI, and the other rabidly incompetent spook shows, more involved in playing the great game than actually protecting those they are ’sworn’ to protect.
Obama wasn’t vetted? Um, I guess you must have slept through something called the Democratic primary, in which Obama underwent a full frontal thrashing by the Clinton war room, perhaps the most efficient team of political hatchet men ever assembled in modern times. If that isn’t vetting, I don’t know what is.
I know lying about Obama’s bon fides makes you feel better, but that’s all it is, a game of make believe inspired by so much sour grapes.
There were any number of sources for Obama policies – had the McPain fanboiz asjed these questions instead of wasting their time on flag pins and such other nonsense, they would have gotten the answers they supposedly sought.
Maybe he feels bad about it.
Right, so that would be why, after taking advantage of the system, then denouncing the system that helped him, he refuses to pay his taxes to support a system he benefited from. Joe got his, now screw the rest of you welfare cheats. Classy.
So typical – when anti-abortion protesters and their daughters need an abortion, that’s different, that’s ok – their circumstances are special, unlike all those other irresponsible sluts. Now Mister he’s-a-socialist turns out to have been on welfare, but somehow that’s different.
Welcome to denial, the weather here is always fine.
nice, i’m stealing that weather is always fine bit >.>
ha! I was thinking the same thing!
The One said that his mother at a certain point had to apply for the food stamps. JTP admitted the fact that his family didn’t do well, too. Now he is working UNDER HIS EMPLOYER”S LICENSE which is a common business practice, earning his wages. Obama worked his way up but he did not (apparently) encourage others to grow and earn some money via hard work when he was working as a community organizer. Did anyone ever interview those people? What are they doing now that Chicago still ahead in homicide? Can they claim ANY improvement in their lives?
Wow, so you’re condemning Obama using only assumptions and zero facts. Fail.
Funny thing is that the 700 billion resolution pressed on by McCain/Bush IS a socialist program!!
And then he uses “socialism” as a weapon??
He must have been coached by his running mate…
Losing isn’t going to stop you from trolling, huh? Go cry in your cornflakes, kid.
Hahahaha, Joe the Idiot tore himself down, come on! Not a plumber, doesn’t pay taxes, thinks he can catapult himself into a music career… the man is a moron and he brought this on himself. We were right to laugh at him, and at McCain for trying to use a moron like Joe without checking to see, oh I don’t know, is the guy a liar and a criminal?
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Guess what, America voted and, um, we don’t agree with your assessment. You lost, badly, get over it. It’s our turn now, you had your chance and like always, you screwed it up. No more chances for you, Republicans. Get a new party. America is no longer a right-center nation.
I just wanna say not al republicans are bad, I could care less about the far right or left but really the party isn’t all bad. I don’t think it’s ready to go the way of the whig party just yet.
I know, there’s good Republicans right here, and the original core values of the Republican party are good. But the Republicans have lost their way, trapped in the smelly bog of fundamentalist Christianity and ultra radical free market activists. They need to get back to the Constitution, states’ rights, and fiscal responsibility. Or, the people who believe in those things can form their own party, as those are certainly nowhere near the present day ideals of the Republican party. When was the last time you saw a fiscally conservative, non borrow-and-spend Republican? When was the last time you heard them speak about states’ rights? Have the Republicans been supporting and upholding our constitutional rights, or destroying them?
My current Repub litmus test is finding out what they thought of Palin. If they can’t stop crowing about her and how awesome she is and what a great choice she was then I’m automatically wary of them. If they headdesk or facepalm or otherwise say “yeah, she wasn’t very good” then they can be a part of my crew, yo.
Will there be bandanas on this pirate ship we be crewing?
Eyepatches are hawt.
I prefer depth perception but I like to be a stickler for symmetry.
*proffers DWN two parrots with eyepatches*
For super-symmetry.
Schweeet.
ARRRRR, THERE BE A BOUNTY ON ME HEAD.
Yarrr!
Word to this.
Times a kajillion.
And one!
I think that is a great idea, ck. I have already sussed out several people and was relieved to find out that they are still, in fact, sane.
By the way, the last time I talked to a fiscally conservative, non borrow-and-spend Republican was the last time I spoke with my mom.
Oh look, we are finding out more about Joe the Plumber then Barack obama again. Funny that.
But in comment to the caption…..that is truth.
than*
tee hee
DARNIT
Just because the Ayers connection didn’t pan out the way the Right thought it would doesn’t mean we “don’t know anything about Barack Obama”. Believe it or not, sometimes there really *isn’t* anything there, try though the conservative pundits might to manufacture something.
Obama’s record and personal history is pretty public, bud. He’s not a “man of mystery”. Try picking up a book; do some research, something. Have you been expecting to learn about the guy through osmosis? You’ll find plenty of stuff about Obama if you actually look for it.
I would say your wrong about the ‘pretty public’ part since his birth certificate is sealed.
you’re*
rofl
DAMNIT
Actually, you’re pretty rofl yourself.
Under Hawaiian State Legislation, unless you’re next of kin or the person on the cert, they’re all ’sealed’…
except Obama released his, so…
I don’t like people looking at my official documents either. I would have done the same.
You’re not running for office either.
No, but even if I was. I would still seal my documents. Even if it seems suspicious, it’s just how I feel. I don’t see what’s so bad…seems a little paranoid if you ask me…
I mean, with all the evidence we have already about him being born in Hawaii, I don’t think there’s much to argue about.
except, hello, Obama released his birth certificate, so you two are having an argument about nothing.
In bed, where it really counts.
dude, this is satire right? no one can be this stupid.
Click on my name. Just do it.
Then why am I seeing scanned copies of it here and there on the Internet?
About the only thing you could use against someone with their birth certificate is using their mother’s maiden name to hack into credit cards and stuff, and that’s getting more and more difficult to do. You can’t take the certificate and go get anything else with it because you’d have to show your ID and prove who you are to the courthouse folks before they’d let you have so much as a certified copy… a photocopy wouldn’t be accepted by anyone official.
But they’re public record, just like marriage licenses and death certificates.
And yes, the right fabricates everything. Both sides of politics are sleezy, if you don’t believe that then try not drinking the koolade.
Oh and I have silly person, the fact that there is FBI documentation of some of these people meeting his home and other places more then once indicates he had more of a connection then just “knew who he was”.
But hey thanks so much for trying.
*pulls glasses down nose in best impersonation of the sexy librarian* Note, please: sleazy and Kool-Aid.
you missed ‘than’ again…
I think one of the wrecks he chased hit him in the head.
*pushes glasses back up again* Drat! I can see the headlines now: ‘GRAMMAR & SPELLING NAZI PUBLICLY HUMILIATED’ Teh shame…
*My Wang*
You called?
What would happen if I said….
NAZI!
NAZI!
NAZI!
Did you pass out yet?
I don’t know about him, but I think I need a cigarette…
Ladies, ladies please… All that does is just tell me how much bounce you want in your wang intact.
*headdesk* Ugh… Intake, not intact. Double ugh.
Ah but I’m a Limey… I scatter ‘u’s with gay abandon and got a state abbreviation incorrect
Huh uhuhuh… You said abandon… uhuhuhuh…
& I’m from the Ould Sod meself, many years back – and have the same tendency to still scatter u’s. I realized I’d written colour a while back, along with theatre. And I still pronounce those tablets ‘vit-a-minz’ instead of ‘vite-a-minz’
You’re right, probably a good reason I have this name now.
Good thing i’m not known on this site for my spelling!
No, not one redeeming feature.
missed it twice in that post
Grammar SS, HEIL!
…and considering how Bush & Cheney have abused the investigative arms of the Federal government for political ends I’m not surprised they put a tail on Obama in order to create a scandal.
“OOooooOoo! He has an FBI tail! He’s been put on a watch list! That must mean he’s suspected of SOMEthing!”
A lot of perfectly innocent people have FBI files simply because of their political stances. Nixon and J. Edgar Hoover abused the FBI for political purposes as well. Bush & Cheney resurrected that same abuse. It means absolutely *nothing*. If Obama really had something on him, the FEC would not have ratified his bid for the presidency in the first place. Again, the conservative pundits have tried as hard as they could to dig up something on him, tried hard to get shit to stick to him and there’s *nothing* there. Best they could manage was guilt by association, which is *still* nothing.
Hey, wait, better go find out if anyone who lived in your dorm in college committed a crime — YOU might be held accountable for them if you ever run for office!
As to the sealed birth certificate, that doesn’t mean anything either. The FEC would have had to see it in order to ensure his American birth as part of the vetting of his bid for president. Sealed birth certificate? Yeah, as a neonate Obama was phoning in terrorist plans to Ayers in secret baby-language code. Get a fucking grip.
HAHAHAAHAH
Wow, me get a grip? You proposing that Bush put an FBI tail on people already known as known terrorists. I’m not accusing barack of being a terrorists, I’m highlighting the fact that this interesting piece has not been investigated by any of the main stream media and it does have relevance to do so. So please take the pills that your doctor prescribed you. Funny how even after there is a democrat in the white house now you still freak out out bush stuff.
Yes, funny how we would still be a little angry over the fact that a dumb preppy jock stole the presidency, lied his way into a war, took away our constitutional rights, and ruined our economy. Bush will go down in the history books as the worst president this country has ever seen. He single handedly ruined his family name, and destroyed the chances of anyone named Bush ever getting a shot at high office again. His father is probably loosing sleep every night, wondering where he went wrong.
I disagree with what you’re saying again Seth, for reasons I’ve elaborated time again, but we should really wait for history to decide if bush messed up or not.
I know how sure you’re probably feeling about this, just as a much as I am sure about the opposite, but both us should wait for the verdict. And you know me, If I’m wrong I’ll admit it.
History?? How about Right Freakin’ Now, where it’s evident that Bush’s “leadership” has ruined our economy and reputation? History can render whatever judgement it likes, but just at a wild guess I’m gonna say Bush will be mentioned in the same chapter as Hoover.
Bush is a crossdresser?
No, he’s a vacuum cleaner. Do try to keep up.
I thought he was a cross dressing vacuum cleaner… boy NOW I’m confused.
Wow, I had to stop myself from feeding you a line about how you could be my vacuum cleaner. My flirt powers are very charged after last night. I shall behave… ish.
Clever.
Well, god knows he certainly su…
Naaaah, too easy.
He ith a bellowth – he doth suck AND blow.
A lot of people n8 hated us before Bush, second the economy has multiple factors and you know it. It isn’t just Bush and tax cuts for rich, it’s the housing market and multiple other things. I know you know this.
If “history will vindicate President Bush”, why are he and Cheney trying so hard to conceal, seal or destroy today’s documents?
If they’re so confident that history will treat them kindly, why all the panicked ass-covering? What have they got to be afraid of?
I am officially a terrorist – really. I’m a member of a vocally anti-war Quaker meeting. They were quieter about it with us, but the FBI really mucked up with the Florida Quakers. Extremely large and unamusing FAIL.
Quakers are some of my favorite Christians. I’ve never met a Quaker who wasn’t an activist of some sort. I think people forget you guys are still around, you’re so quite most of the time. But you guys are still here, fighting for peace and social justice. You are right up there with the Catholic Workers in my book.
I thought the rest of Christendom regarded the Quakers as godless Unitarians.
Mpf. The vast majority of any gathering of people are going to eejits, eh? I was explaining a while back to someone about the 4 ‘regular’ churches in the immediate area of our Meetinghouse & their propensity to evangelize us. They have no idea who or what Quakers are, but goddammit they KNOW we ain’t Christians. Feh.
It’s the Silent Meetings.
I’m Presbyterian and my brand fights for social justice and peace, too. Maybe not as effectively, unfortunately. We are still arguing about gay ordination.
‘Maybe not as effectively’ my patooties. ANY fight for social justice is a good one.
Thanks. We try.
Why thankee kindly Friend *grins*
Yeah, we all know what you’re up to with your… your oatmeal and your… your buckled shoes and stuff!
“nothing is better for thee than me”, indeed!
*snork* There was a recent Pepsi (Quaker is owned by Pepsi) campaign ad that said, “Did you have your Quaker today?” and some of the less humorous among us went nuts. “Would it be appropriate and sensitive to say, ‘Did you have your Jew or Hindu today?’” fretted one Friend from New England. I admit I laughed at BOTH of them.
Nothing is better for thee than me – sounds like DWN’s slogan, don’t it tho? :O
Careful, I’ve been known to become habit forming.
Careful, I’ve been known to become habit forming.
Wow, you are making some pathetic arguments, all based on conspiracy theory. Being angry and having crazy ideas does not make what you say legitimate.
Secondly please show evidence of bush making the FBI investigate things like this. I don’t think you have a clue on how an investigation works.
And yeah for your ‘dorm room’ example, they would ask me if I knew anything abou this person in an investigation and its fair and public knowledge to know what I knew about this person.
Good thing I’m going to college and actually paying attention here otherwise I’d end up like you, angry and making insane statements as if everyone is out to get Obama. You know I actually hope all his ideas and plans work. That would be wonderful. I would be more then happy to be wrong. What is wonderful here is that people like Seth, eddie, n8 even are easier and more intelligent then you. Thank God I’ve been meeting smart democrats otherwise I’d be really afraid of our country.
You’re nuts, case closed.
*I saw that I wrote Your and fixed it, TC 1, my bad grammar: a billion*
Ahh, the cry of the truly desperate: “You’re crazy!”
Ever heard of COINTELPRO? Know anything about J. Edgar Hoover? Clearly you haven’t been paying attention in those college classes because if you had you’d have known these are real, confirmed historically-verified abuses of the FBI, not “conspiracy theories”.
In fact, there have been congressional subpoenas on Cheney for abusing the investigative power of the FBI. How do I know? Because I processed the litigation paperwork and wrote the fucking briefs for the lawyer I worked for. Too bad the case was stymied because of Cheney’s abuse of the “executive privilege” excuse and the “vice-president’s a separate branch of government” excuse when the executive privilege excuse was overruled.
For your information, I’ve finished college. I’m working on a graduate degree. Multiple degrees, in fact.
Link some of this and I’ll concede, in fact that would make me angry as well. I don’t just believe people unless they show proof. Yeah sorry none of my classes covered your wonderful rantings.
I did generalize, not all of what you are saying is impossible, but to say that everything done to barack is a right wing job set up by the the top guy is nutty and you know it. I can see possibly the executive government executing powers in that fashion and understand your frustrating but to act as if everything that is wrong about barack is probably not true and a right wing fallacy is a conspiracy theory or at least a crazy one. Again, link and I’ll even THANK you for informing me.
Lastly, if you’re trying to convince me of anything, constantly calling me an idiot isn’t getting you anywhere, congrats on graduating really, congrats on your MULTIPLE degrees that make you feel better. You do a horrible job of trying to convince someone you’re right or make them listen to you.
And yeah, I’m a dumb dumb college student, just a stupid idiot. You know what I must be a freshmen and never have done anything in my life but drink.
I don’t constantly volunteer, watch or do political research, help out the community and the church I attend, get by on a crappy job and constantly try to improve myself. Wow I’m dumb and unworthy of talking to you.
I’ll apologize for assuming you didn’t go to college, I’m not going to apologize for pointing out that you can’t make arguments without evidence.
you’re frustrated* wow yeah I’m going to go back to English 101.
The link will take you to the Church Final Report on COINTELPRO, penned four years after Hoover’s death. COINTELPRO and the associated abuses were finally terminated during the Carter Administration.
Texts on J. Edgar Hoover and COINTELPRO:
Cox, John Stuart and Theoharis, Athan G. (1988). The Boss: J. Edgar Hoover and the Great American Inquisition. Temple University Press, ISBN 0-87722-532-X.
Agents of Repression: The FBI’s Secret Wars Against the Black Panther Party and the American Indian Movement. South End Press, ISBN 0-89608-646-1. .
Kessler, Ronald (2002). The Bureau: The Secret History of the FBI. St. Martin’s Paperbacks, ISBN 0-312-98977-6.
Blackstock, Nelson (1988). Cointelpro: The FBI’s Secret War on Political Freedom. Pathfinder Press. ISBN 0-87348-877-6.
Most of the stuff relating to Cheney and Bush’s resurrection of using the FBI to create political smears is still too fresh and new to be in print yet. Most of the stuff is still trying to be subpoenaed out from under executive seal; hance I cannot link it.
With regard to your slagging of yourself, in none of my posts did I call you “stupid” or “dumb”; nor did I assume you were a “drunk”; nor did I deride you for being an undergrad. *You* said all that about yourself. *You* attacked *me* for an assumed lack of education and an assumed mental deficiency. All I did was encourage you to pick up some books and educate yoursefl about certain topics about which you were complaining for not having been informed. The information is out there. You have to do the work yourself, and I assure you, the facts about *any* given topic will not always reaffirm your personal political identity or world view. Most frequently they *won’t*. You may not like what you find, but the facts are the facts.
I’ll look into it, and anything that informs me is something I’ll most likely find.
Also, yes you are right, i guess I should have redirected it, but I have no problem in making fun of myself, no one can do it better then me and therefore when I do it best anything else is just dumb. I’m confident enough to do this.
And yes, now you are encouraging me, and I thank you for it.
Lastly, now where is that information about bush that you are so adamant about. I think I’d like to read that first.
Ah, you’re a child. That explains much.
I hated student politics when I was a student, and it gets no better with time.
“…a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.”
But then I too knew more back then too… but I realise I know a lot less now.
You and Einstein! (And anyone who has lived a bit.
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And I am only getting dumber with time.
Yeah, where did I claim that I knew everything? If you even knew me you’d know one of my life phrases is “The day I stop learning is the day I hope I die”
But hey the internet is a great place to not show the least amount of respect to anyone.
I’ll never pretend I know everything, but I’ll be confident in what I know, and if proven wrong, confident in what I can learn from it. I’m never ashamed to admit that I wrong.
I must say, it makes me squeal with delight when i see someone quote shakespeare. thank you for that.
I dunno about FEC… they allowed Bush to run…
If we’re going to go on people’s associations, I want to know why more wasn’t made of Palin’s connections with the Alaskan secession movement and with Joel’s Army people. The latter group, by the way, is likely headed by a guy who did prison time for raping a boy. They’re seriously whacked out and want to impose Biblical law on the nation–funny, some of them don’t follow it themselves.
You know, the government WAS acting in many screwed-up ways back in the sixties, and some political groups felt the only way to respond was by fighting back. Right or wrong, that’s what they felt. It’s amazing to me that right-wingers go on and on about their precious second amendment rights and how they need to be able to fight a government gone rogue and then when some leftist group has actually DONE that, you condemn them as anti-American. Pot. Kettle. Black. Or, y’know, shut the hell up, you epic fail.
Meanwhile, people have the right to associate with one another, generally, and Obama was something like six years old when Ayers was going around blowing stuff up. How is an elementary school student who wasn’t even associated with Ayers at the time supposed to be responsible for what he did? The federal government–the same one that was harassing *peaceful* leftist groups–saw fit to drop charges against Ayers. Are you going to come along now and play judge, jury, and executioner against a guy who doesn’t seem to have done anything wrong since then?
For crying out loud, he’s no frigging bin Laden.
Folks prefer to be spoon fed their information- regardless of whether it is correct or not…
Society doesn’t teach people to seek or think… as smart as we like to think ourselves to be. If our folks were REALLY into thinking for themselves we wouldn’t be in this economic mess, we wouldn’t be at war (STILL) we’d be less fanatical about religion, less worried about women breastfeeding in public or gays getting married…
In the end, we wouldn’t be so repressed!
Careful, the truth is considered crazy talk.
Not really, a large portion of the folks that voted for The Chosen One don’t own homes.
Actually, all of the really poor and ignorant folks voted for McCain. The more educated a person is, the more likely they voted for Obama. The investing class, having learned the lesson that Republicans only want to screw you out of your investments with crazy pyramid schemes, defected en mass to the Democrats.
It’s ok Seth, His disdain for the poor is sticking out again. let him show his true colors. As always, they leave out the middle class. Instead it’s always wealthy/welfare.
Agreed, I know plenty of “republicans” who live in poverty barely paying their bills who still denounce Obama and preach McCain. “I don’t want my taxes to go up, whine whine whine”, guess what folks, you’re either not reading or your doin it wrong.
Doh! Firefox froze in the middle of this comment, I posted the second version after I didn’t see it. Double post fail.
I’m going to remember that “you’re either not reading” bit. And steal it. It’s applicable to so many situations, an updated version of “buy ‘em books and buy ‘em books and all they do is eat the pages.”
Agreed, I know plenty of “republicans” who live in poverty barely paying their bills who still denounce Obama and preach McCain. “I don’t want my taxes to go up, whine whine whine”, guess what folks, you’re either not reading or your doin it wrong!
Well, if you want to get all picky picky about it, the bank actually owns my house. Your point being?
Not really. If you’re like me, a homeowner with a mortgage, YOU own your home. You can do whatever you like with it, without asking the bank’s permission, and if they don’t like it they really have no recourse. Now, should you default on your mortgage, the bank will most likely move to sieze your home, but that’s different from them owning it outright.
/really, really picky
OOh! Pickathon ‘08! Yay!
No, they own your house, at least the part you haven’t paid off yet. But it is assumed that they are not your landlord. They only own a share of your house, the share of the principal that you still owe.
Gee, I wonder where I’M sitting…
He really shot himself in the foot when he said that the day Obama got elected Israel would be destroyed. No one likes a doomsday prediction that is past its due date.
If anyone has the clip of Shepard Smith of Fox News interviewing him about those comments I’d really appreciate a link. I’ve never seen an anchor more creeped out by his guest.
Ok, I got off my lazy ass and found it. /watch?v=9eSJuWgZGYo after the standard youtube prefix.
Probably would have made more sense to name link it (URI) but it works nonetheless. Thanks for the link!
Joe was no good pick for Average Republican Posterboy.
Make George Carlin’s point very well…
MAN, Joe really wasn’t on all cylinders that interview, was he? At the middle, I just got disgusted. You’d think people would think occasionally
The hell with the plumber, Obama is no change..
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_3977.shtml
As always, Right-wing blogs are not news. First, it’s an editorial. Second, the page is taking donations. Should be your first clue.
what’s yer point?
Oh yeah, nuttin but “left-wing” opinions need apply ’round heah. Sorry suh.
(..signs, signs, everywhere there’s signs… do this, don’t so that, can’t you read the signs?.)
Everyone can have their opinion. Nobody is stopping you from posting. We have our opinions, too. And we get to express our opinions just like you do. Nobody is oppressing you. Disagreement is not censorship, get over your martyr complex, please.
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The point minerva was trying to make, in case you missed it, is that using opinion pieces on ANY blog to back up your point as if they were fact, is foolish. You don’t need to point us to an off site source for us to read about sad Republicans serving up heaping helpings of sour grapes, we can see that right here.
Very well put. I’m so sick of sad Republicans/Democrats making things hard for the other side *just* to get back. What we need is a political system focused on ideas, not parties.
As for the article, I would hesitate to call it “conservative” opinion. My link is to another article by the same man. Not only is he opposed to McCain-Palin, but he clearly has no problem bashing McCain’s record. If you read the original articl closely, it would seem that he is afraid Obama would not be liberal enough.
I actually find this article comforting, if you read through the opinions to the truth behind them. Hopefully, Obama will be tough on terrorism, and will approach Iran. Put down some “requests” for the Iranian government. Hopefully, he will return foreign policy to it’s subtle nature, rather than the cowboy who tries to play politics, and winds up embarrassed and humiliated. Foreign policy (Diplomacy) should not be about brute force. It is about cooperation, veiled threats, and deception. And yes, Elite is most definitely the proper term for a head of state. Why on earth would we want a president who was “one of us?” If our president was not the best person for the job, was not the most charismatic, intelligent, and bold person we had to offer, why would we have elected him? Sure, we want our representatives to be of a like mind. Our president is so much more than a representative. I may vote for a president I don’t agree with, simply because I know he’ll keep America safe, and in good standings with other nations. We need a hero of a President, a true beacon of power and hope. Let the constitution and congress limit his power. we want the best to be there. Let the Elites rule, because they are the best suited to do so. We retain the power, they protect us and that power. You wouldn’t pick a weaker man to protect your family because you thought he would try to take over, would you? no, you would pick the person who was the best suited for the job, and then ensure that he didn’t take power.
I’m sure this is qualified for many tl;dr, but I hope that those of you who did read it will appreciate it.
Read it, mentally filed it, and appreciated it. Thank you.
OK, that was good.
I salute your excellent post, sir. You clearly gave a lot of time into that.
After bush, our country is really going to need a proper president. and I dearly hope that obama can fulfill his heroic task.
great thoughts and replies…. and to think the mood I was in earlier, if I’d had the time, i was a hope’n to reply with all kinds of foolish lyrics…
but there were thinkers replying, not sarcasm or simple throw-outs..
cool.
S I got me a pen and a paper and I made up my own little sign…
That’s right wing? I seems to be more Libertarian than Republican
Meh. I didn’t dive that deep into it. Was turned off when I saw it was an editorial and that the site was taking donations. I knew it wasn’t a real news source at any rate. Partisan/philosophical rather than journalistic.
Most journalism is ‘op-ed’, it’s just that editorial admits it up front rather than having to try and winnow the truth from the general noise.
Is this guy still around? What’s he up to now his good buddy McCain had his a*s handed to him in the election?
I always wondered what happened to him after “The Comish” was cancelled…
All I have to say to this is… What wealth? He is a welfare jerk and a tax cheat… Oh and I forgot liar.
…so what you’re saying is he’s a Republican…
Ya know, I just might be but that is unfair to the Republicans who aren’t bastards. And yes there are some.
Agree completely…it’s just a shame that this guy winds up getting this much press. Although between him and little miss “I can’t carve a ‘B’ the right way” it makes them all look completely nuts…
Tis an insult to my rightwing friends and I don’t cotton to those who insult my friends.
tis indeed unfortunate, but human beings are illogical creatures and prone to the fallacy of generalization.
Generalization makes everything so much easier. You don’t even have to think about the issues that much. Nothing wrong with making assumptions! [/sarcas]
sarcasM FAIL
Do you find you agree with them, or spend a lot of time forgiving them?
I spend a lot of time avoiding political discussion with them lest I have the desire to beat them.
Word.
A simple flogging, or unto a bloddy pulp that only DNA can identify?
I forgot the part where I would set fire to the pulp. Thanks for reminding me to further clarify. I am not an angry person, really! *twitch twitch*
It’s getting late in Limey World. I can’t spell ‘Bloody’ *sigh*
Word to the young… never grow old… I’m not suggesting die, but the getting old thing really sucks
Tis okay, no worse than mistakes I make. I will suggest dying as those stupid enough to take said advice were gunning for a Darwin anyway.
*walks away as she doesn’t want to be a burning, pulpy mass*
*whistles*
You are actually rather pleasant and don’t incite my bile when we discuss. You get to be an exception.
Besides, your lips have more important things to do besides whistle… Like using a lollipop to incite menfolk. Or perhaps an ice cream cone…
Set fire to and then jump up and down on the remains?
Why stamp it out before it’s done its job?
I assumed the idea of flogging them would quite quickly distract you from the political to matters of a more… personal nature.
Not really, I am not a sadist. I beat people for their own good or venting frustration, not sex. Though Lynn, I beat for sex because it is her thing and I get a rise out of her reactions.
I had a conversation with a relative not long before the election, wherein it was pointed out to me, “Not all Republicans are the same”, which actually made me stop and go, “Hey, yeah”.
Similar to grade school, when a few loudmouths ruined it for everybody, the more extreme Republicans have been hogging all the attention for the past 8 years, and making the more moderate members of the party look equally extreme. Some of the, I’ll call them Goldwater type Republicans, have actually commented, “they don’t speak for me”, but that got ignored.
John McCain really got screwed by this phenomenon, per all the comments that said, “If only he’d run his campaign the way he ran his concession speech…”. He never had the option to do that, because his campaign was hijacked by the extremists within his party. If I were he, I’d be saying a la Eric Cartman, “I hate you guys”.
Nicely put.
Also I lol when I picture McCain doing the Cartman thing.
*mental image of alien satellite emerging from the rectum….*
Agreed, there are plenty of republicans who weren’t born out of wedlock. Kidding, seriously though, I do agree, decent upstanding republicans do exist as do scumbag democrats. All sides have their good and bad points/people.
*I* was born out of wedlock. What are you trying to imply *quirks eyebrow*
Yeah, and I was born five months into wedlock and my parents are still together with another kid. Froo? I say we implement my van and bats policy on this jules”.
Frownie face. Bastards are the best
I won’t take a bat to someone unless they’re trolling. I don’t think Jules is, and as long as jules is a bastard too we’re ok
Huzzah! Lets do up some of that punkin spice with the folks below
Never knew my real father and was raised by my mom for about six years of my life. I be there too.
I met my father when I was 15 and he’s awesome. Though he is a bigger drama queen than most of the goth kids I knew growing up.
I was adopted at 6 weeks, so my sperm and egg donors are unknown
I have two wonderful parents though, even if I am an out of wedlock bastard 
Here’s to good people raising good kids!
I wonder when that’s ever really going to stop mattering. Woulda thought the idea of ‘bastard’ woulda died by now.
I was born when my parents were in wedded matrimony, but that doesn’t stop me from being a bastard.
They did divorce about a year after I was born though, so the thought of them together is really alien to me.
Hey! I was raised by Charlie Foxtrot! :p
You’ve my sympathies
I gots reeeeaally good coffee to go with, too. Went & splurged on half-a-pound of real Yemeni Mocha Java!!
I hope you has decaf, I try to steer away from caffeine so as to avoid lumpy tits.
Again! Goddammit, I just CLEANED this keyboard!! DWN made me spew tea all over, now I have MORE tea all over. *grumbles then lols all over again @ lumpy tits*
Ah, another person who likes good coffee. I read a very good tip in ‘Cook’s Illustrated” magazine for brewing good drip coffee. Start with hot water. Coffee shouldn’t be brewed for more than six minutes, and their tests showed no drip coffee maker could do that. However, if you start with hot water (heat it up,don’t use hot tap water.) then it will brew much more quickly. My taste tests agree, it is as good as french press coffee.
Cook’s Illustrated is awesome, just bought a manual knife sharpener on their recommendations.
I love the fact that they are non-profit, and have no ads, like Consumer Reports. So when they recommend something, you know it is because that thing is good, not because some advertiser paid them to say it.
I like how they answer questions by actually doing cooking experiments, like if you can really bake with margarine in a tub instead of the sticks. Science geeks FTW!
I want to make their recipe for French Onion soup, goddam.
Best Recipes/Cooks Illustrated/America’s Test Kitchen are awesome, but they really need to unify their names.
I don’t always agree with their recipes, but because they explain the whys behind them, I can modify to me hearts content.
I assume everyone is using frozen whole coffee beans, right? Ground in a steel blade grinder just prior to brewing? (Drier climates may want to add a drop or two of water to prevent static from making a terrible mess, I’ve discovered.)
I keep mine out of the freezer, I hear it messes with the oils. HOwever, my favorite brew method is cold brew. Found a cold brew kit at Goodwill of all places, had never heard of it, and now I think it rocks. I’m just not a good planner, so I use my drip coffeemaker more often than not.
Yesh; I’m rather a coffee snob, alas. I brew individual cups – plays hell with some people, but for gatherings of a few friends it turns into an entire ritual like high tea.
Six minutes, eh? Interesting. I grind mine fresh with a burr grinder, then add boiling water to it and stir in a french press carafe. I usually wait ten minutes on my large carafe, though. Too long? Consequences?
Ooh … at work I use my Aeropress, and it’s totally fab, but here at home we have a regular drip coffee maker. I’m going to try that hot water thing right now.
I love Cook’s Illustrated, and Seth, I love YOU.
True enough, I can agree with that sentiment. *parks the van*
Hey I’m all bastard myself ;D
My daddy’s a ho (a republican one but I don’t hold that against him)
Hey, character and birth coincided
*sigh* You’re forcing me to do this.
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Ahem.
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LOGIC LEAGUE! Trolls are afoot!!!!
Oh, do stop it, you’re just tiresome.
O_o… I do believe your cranky is showing. You doing alright there, chief?
It’s like a bloody tape loop… redolent of the arses who shout ‘I spy strangers’ in my parliament to stop a discussion they don’t like.
It is pretty lame.
See, you put a smiley after that statement, but it’s not a smiley statement, it’s more of a
statement, or a 
statement. Look, Uncle Fester, if we’re rude and mean to all the conservatives, we’ll drive them off and they won’t have a chance to learn anything from us. Plus, PK will be boring without them. If I wanted a liberal circle-jerk, I’d go to DailyKos. Okay, I DO got to DailyKos, but one circle-jerk is enough, I think.
Seriously. UF is making this circle-jerk I continually make fun of look bad.
Translator needed in Aisle 3…
He’s saying that he makes fun of the overt liberal-ness of this site, but mostly in jest. You are making the liberals look bad.
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Or as far as I could gather…
Well, if he’s telling me I’m a liberal, he’s a retard.
It may be that you’re inserting too much conservative into this liberal circle jerk. Or something like that anyway.
I can’t speak for Phaelin, only interpret what people say when there is confusion.
And to say I’m a American Conservative is even more retards.
Let’s see…
I support equal marital rights for Gay couples
I’m not anti-learning
I’m for lightest of light gun control
I think is people can afford private medical care, and education that’s just great.
I am an atheist, but consider while ever people don’t try and force their faith on to others, I don’t care what gets them through the day.
I advocate small national govt., but with limitations on local govt to prevent theocracies being set up (if you have to use Leviticus to justify your postions, you can kiss my arse)
I believe that there is a social responsibility for our country, people and environment, that is held by ALL people, irrespective of educations, position or wealth.
I’m an old style British Tory… the sort that more or less died out in the 1960s.
Oh, and I think that women are equal to men, and that Rom. and 1 Tim 2 is hogwash.
Someone who is a bastard by birth AND nature isn’t something to smile about?
I liked the efficiency… It made me smile
My nature is to be a bastard? Oh, do tell *hands under chin*
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When have I been a bastard on this board?
If anything, I’d honor you with the label of “bitch”. Not the derogatory version, . The sort of hard-ass heartless bitch that takes a lickin’ and keeps on tickin’ (or takes a tickin’ and keeps on lickin’ as what have you
Oh, the continuous TROLL noise you make.
The fact that you’ll happly hoe a row that has been discredited in a way that seems to indicate that you think if you say it often enough it becomes ‘true’
Not when you’re talking about my home girl it isn’t! Back off froofrou, she is teh awesum!
*tackle hugs Jane* *picks her up, brushes off dirt* Sorry, I just love you
Now show more love… Maybe some kissing. >_>
Get the CAMERA!!!
Yeah, right… if you say so. Although it’s done your credibility little good to me
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You do sound rather rather cantankerous at the moment, old man.
Time for a bonox, perhaps?
Kos isn’t nearly liberal enough, believe me. When they say women’s issues are fringe issues, I know they have a long damn way to go.
He’s a waste of space and it pisses me off when wastes of space garner so much TV airtime and media obsession. He’s got a damn book deal and everything. What. The. Eff.
… And I remember the running for state office story too.
You have no idea how much it galls me that I work 40 hours a week AND pay taxes, claiming nobody on them until tax time so they take the full damn amount and THIS dimwit tries to pull a fast one.
The answer gets chopped to a soundbyte which is very misleading as to what Obama’s response actually was. The guy turns out to be nothing that he said he was and is gettinng rewarded for simply being on air.
*looks to the flag humping dimwits* And you jackoffs wonder why it took so long for a person to be proud of their country, jeez… Hell I am still not proud, just a tad optimistic. I’ll have hope when I see results. Now I am going to let my blood settle before I find a way to force choke Joe til his eyes bug out and he expires.
Coming Soon to “Reality TV”: Joe the Plumber, Sarah Palin starring in: “How Complete Imbeciles get Fifteen Minutes of Fame For Doing Absolutely Nothing”.
You are trying to get me to develop a tumor, aren’t you?
…maybe just a nervous tick…
Figures. No love.
…actually nothing but love…I think your posts are hilarious…
In bed…
*hug*
Just take his lemon away and he’ll choke himself.
He had a quote on the Facebook page he immediately set up at the beginning of his 15 minutes that read something like ‘With all the money the media is making off me, I want to find some way of getting some too’ or words to that effect. He’s well on his way. Too bad he can’t give an interview to save his life. Even worse, he’s never thought out the implications of his criss-crossing views and gets himself all bollixed up within seconds. He’s since changed the personal info to read, ‘I plan on copyrighting my name. With all the fame I’m getting and the money the media’s making off of me, I won’t have to be Joe “the Plumber” anymore.’
Wow, self important little leech, isn’t he? Ahhhh, tumor growing…
Oh hell, didn’t mean to make the twitching worse
I am totally going to have my heart pop before I am forty… and that is only 13 years away. -_-
Nah. You deal far better than I do at 46. Take it from an old, old, formerly fabulous woman who would’ve jumped on you before you knew she was there: your heart will hold out just fine, it’s the brian cells you’ll burn before you’re 35 trying to reason with people that’ll do you in. Just look at me now, IQ down to something like 80 from working with people who hold up mass-forwarded anonymous emails saying, “I KNEW IT!! THAT BASTARD OBAMA IS A MUSLIM!!” *scratches nervously, whites showing around eyes, and twitches*
I bet you are still fabulous love. The proper handling and the right amount of bite and… I’ll stop there.
Speaking of cougars, I think my friend’s wife has behaved enough to deserve a call from me. Apparently she enjoys my voice and he enjoys the reaction he gets out of her later. I like being helpful.
He’s just another guy who doesn’t think things through. ‘I was on welfare, but that was different’ ‘Don’t ask me why I think Obama will kill Israel, he just will because I’ve read stuff that says it’s so’ ‘The Media is making money off interviewing me, so I’ll keep giving interviews and hope someone finds me so fascinating that they’ll give me a TV contract’. The trouble is that by being on TV and worse being held up as some sort of hero there are folks who automatically take him as knowledgeable. TV culture, I hates it.
Jesusfuckingchrist, I’m going to have an embolism.
How ironic is that? He blasts Obama for raising his “taxes” and then wh*res himself out to get into the tax bracket that WILL have raised taxes!!
Couldn’t happen to a better fella!
For god’s sake, people watch Big Brother… how is this different?
Awesome LOL!
I still want cake. Anyone else?
Pumpkin spice?
Excellent Choice!
*cuts slice & places on plate* Shniff!! Mmmmm, cinnamon…
The cake is a lie!
Cake never lies….well….except on a plate.
I see what you did there.
I baked a lemon one today, nomnomnom.
*shniff* Lemony! *nomnomnom*
Oh snap! Favorite.
I think you all are jack asses.
And I’m sure we all think you are.
Ooh, sorry we dragged you in here at gunpoint. You’re free to leave now.
Jackasses. It’s one word. If you find a dictionary, you will spot the word easily by the proximity to your picture.
lol, grammar police > douche
…Aaand that dealt with that. I’ve just stumbled onto here, and I have been educated, amused, puzzled, seriously funned-up… and brought up to speed on what some really truly people think. Thank you for your time and thoughts and sharing. As a long-distant Australian who has watched your election from afar, I must say that we never really caught the nuances of the whole Joe-The-Plumber thing. We heard OF, we just didn’t hear.
I’m not sure what’s tickled me more – the interaction through the loops above, the longing for good coffee or pie (neither of which Australia does well), or the wit and wisdom that has been dispensed along the way. I doubt I’ll ever meet any of you face-to-face, and I’ll probably never accidentally stumble here again… but thank you jules, pdq, tessie, ck, DeathWyrmNexus et al. Your erudition and your charm has warmed a heart from a long way away. Congratulations on your choice of President – we’ve been vastly impressed from afar, and we live in the hope that everyone who quietly said “Yes We Can” with him in his speech will have the strength to one day say “Yes We Did”. There’s some horrible messes to sort out, but I think you may have just found a good starting place.
God Bless America too…
What do you mean we don’t do pie well? We have the best pie in existence, the meat pie. This is iconically Australian.
My friend, once you’ve partaken of pie in lands where the pie is art (as opposed to a way of hiding the evidence), you begin to realise that the poor ol’ meat-pie that we consider a national dish (!) is less iconoc and more ironic.
In 1989 there was a flea-bitten truck-stop five kilometres east of Calgary – and awaiting there was an epiphany. Blueberry pie that came not from a packet or a deep-freeze, but from hands and fruit and flour and love…
What a world we live in – going from political opinion and refutation to universal pie appreciation. May we all say *schniff* and *nomnomnom* together… far better reasons for me to be optimistic about our world than I thought a few hours ago.
But an Aussie meat pie, whilst yummy, will never approach Art.
you have to admit though… when you’ve got a body to get rid of the meat pie is a good friend
Psh. Ever wonder where all the Fat American jokes come from? We eat way too damn much sugar over here. There is something to be said for meat pie.
Next time you’re in Adelaide I’ll shout you a pie floater!
I must say, the pie floater looks like one of the most unappealing foods I have ever seen (and by ’seen’, I mean on Wikipedia. I had never heard of it before today).
gotta admit, I only buy them for tourists to see their reaction. I’ve never eaten one myself – I’m not into pea soup. Some people swear by them, though. It’s an essential part of their ‘night on the town’ ritual.
Give me a pepper steak pie any day.
You want art? Go for the shepherd’s pie then, a classic british pie. It can be styled in many ways and nothing is hidden.
For those not in the know, it is (at its most basic) meat with mashed potato on top, cooked in a large, deep dish (no pastry).
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I don’t need art in my pie though, I just need taste. And no fruit or vegetable pie tastes better than a decent meat pie.
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The meat pie was also the original pie. So
Thank you for your kind words. It’s nice to know that folks in other countries wish us well.
PS. I find that 2 scoops of coffee per 1 cup of water produces coffee that I consider optimal. If you’re anticipating a long day, or like the kind of coffee that you can stand up a spoon in, add an extra scoop of coffee.
Well, that’ll save me a walk to the Gloria Genie… By the way, what’s a french press carafe?
I think it has something to do with the way you press your grounds to make it stronger? I don’t know, I’m a tea drinker myself!
It’s a cylinder-shaped carafe with a plunger that’s wide enough to touch the carafe wall on all sides. You put the grounds in the carafe, add boiling water, then push in the plunger so the grounds don’t get all mixed up in the liquid. When we had the big blackout here in Ohio back in September, I went looking for one because obviously I couldn’t use my coffeepot–other people had had the same idea. I had to get a plastic travel press instead of the glass one I’d gone into the store to find. Ah well.
Gotcha… yes, we’ve evolved far enough to have these. We just call ‘em plungers. And, yes, that’s about the proportions I use – thank you for your kindness to a needy caffeine person. Now if I can see my way clear to finding out how to get root beer and Dr Pepper into Australia…
Now I see… you just have America-envy.
I have never met an Australian who actually likes Dr Pepper, and it was rightly removed from Australian stores because too few people wanted it. Try to find a US specialty store, they sell all sorts of crazy things.
Yeah, I’ll drink Dr Pepper when Americans start eating Vegemite…. actually, not even then!
Sorry, DT – I have to pull you up on one point there. I’ll take a Cibo coffee over a Starbucks/Hudsons/etc anyday!!
Indeed, Starbucks is considered so bad here that they had to close all but 22 stores around the country.
I don’t know Cibo since I’m not in South Australia, but I’m happy enough with Hudsons and Gloria Jeans*. Local cafes tend to be the best option though.
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*Interesting note: In USA/Puerto Rico, Gloria Jeans is American, but for the rest of the world it is Australian.
I am humbled and honored by your words.
This guy is an embarrassment to Americans everywhere simply put.
McCain should have denounced him from day 1 instead of using him as a leaky stage prop.
too bad he wasn’t much a plumber or he could have fixed that leak
Oh lordy he is starting up a website! I tried to catch the url while he talked to the hater, I mean Hannity. Did anyone catch the url? I am interested in giving it a look.
He asked a simple question and I find it sad and disgusting the media must jump on HIM to draw attention away from Obama’s ridiculously socialistic answer.
My gosh people, get off his back. This is freaking ridiculous!
1) Can we keep the socialist bullshit down to a dull roar? The loud ignorance of the meaning of the term just becomes painful after a time
2) He’s milked it for all it was worth, while having a positive ossuary of skeletons. You push yourself into the lime light; DEAL. The lying bag of pus.
Yeah, gosh-darn that there socialism what brung you the interstate highway system, the public health system, and the United States military that you get all rah-rah about. Gee, when I was in the Army we got our monthly paychecks from the Tooth Fairy. Didn’t have no socialized medicine neither.
LMAO~
So on one knows what the name of the neo con plumber’s site is?
Um… Socializied medicine is *not* a Constitutional responsibility of the federal government. It’s Liberty and free market that gives us quality public health. Would you rather have private insurance or be stuck on Medicare and Medicaid and get less than mediocre health care?
Granted the cure for malaria was done by the US Army to facilitate the building of the Panama Canal.
The military *is* a Constitutional responsibility of the federal government and a legitimate use of taxpayers money.
The Interstate highway system may or may not be a Constitutional responsibility of the federal government. I guess it would come under the “interstate commerce” clause of the Constitution in so far as it promotes interstate commerce. But then again, the Interstate highway system was based on the German Autobahn whose purpose was to move military equipment quickly around the country. If you needed to mobilize troops to defend us against Cuban invasion, would you want to go down I-95 or US-1?
Ah yes, private insurance… That thing I have yet to be able to actually afford. I am so glad it works for me. Oh wait…
That’s okay Joe the Plumber. When Dear Leader distributes everyone’s wealth, you’ll earn more unemployed than you did when you were employed (after taxes, that is).
You do realize that he has been on welfare before and is convicted of tax evasion right?
Why are there so many stupid people? Most of them writing here are really in the 51% of the population that are mentally challenged.