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Hamburger Helper: Now endorsing John McCain
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Needs all the help he can get….
Dude, the Hamburger Helper only has 4 fingers, and this one clearly has five!
That, or Michael Jackson.
The Michael Jackson would not endorse John McCain, for he is not a premium dancer.
Everything Is Illuminated reference for the freaking win. I love you, man.
Or Mickey Mouse
Sparkle glove Fail
I hear that Hamburger Helper totally denies all claims to supporting McCain and asserts that this photo was doctored. ;-P Happy election day!
Had to go to wikipedia to find out what the hell a hamburger helper was, so this one was sort of lost on me.
Altough I notice there’s a T-800 in the background to the right also supporting McCain. Must have been swung by Arnie.
you are missing out on a lot of deliciousness my friend!!!
Heh, all right! One of my pics made it. In response to Autumn, of course it’s doctored! Can’t you tell? The glove has five fingers, not four. XDDD Go out and vote, people!
LOL i love this
Well. Today could very well turn out to be a Truman-Dewey situation today. I just hope the left doesn’t end up despising McCain if he happens to win. The last eight years have shown that they seem to be quite adept at that.
Crap. I said ‘today’ twice.
DOWN WITH REDUNDANCY!
DOWN WITH REDUNDANCY!
And I hope that the right does not end up despising Obama when he wins. This election has shown that they seem to be quite adept at that. In fact, I’d say it’s too late, with all the fear and hate that the McCain campaign have been slinging, there is no doubt that a significant minority already despises Obama based on the lies they have heard. Good job dividing and polarizing the country at a time when we all need to work together to fix the terrible situation Republican deregulation and trickle down policies have gotten us into.
Just watched McCain’s concession speech. He was pretty classy about it. More like the old McCain before he became such a right wing tool. His followers actually booed Obama’s and Biden’s name, in true divisive fashion. He seemed sincere in trying to quell this. Except for a couple small things that may have been laced with multiple meanings, it was a good speech. He seemed to want to try for unity now, although it will take a while for people to buy it based on the way his campaign was run. I have somewhat more respect for him now. If he had behaved that way all through the campaign, it would have been a closer race. Hopefully we will have learned from this as a nation to avoid politics of hate, at least for a while.
You are right, we are the bad guys for disliking a president who got us into two wars, brought back our deficit, hurt our economy, took away many of our basic rights, helped perpetuate torture, and gave the world a negative image of America. It’s our fault though, we are just evil little dems.
How did he specifically hurt the economy? What basic rights have YOU lost? And how is the image of America in the world any different than it was?
“How did he specifically hurt the economy?” He gave tax breaks to the rich, and instead of investing that in new job creation, they created a pyramid scheme and bankrupted our economy. He could have given tax breaks and incentives to the poor and middle class, which would have grown the economy. Over the last 100 years, the stock market has grown by 8.4% under Democrats, but only 0.4% under Republicans, on average.
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I have lost the right to privacy, and to a fair trial. I could be declared an enemy combatant, without any sort of court oversight, and disappeared forever.
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America is seen as an overbearing, impetuous bully by the rest of the world. We appear concerned with our power and status, and unwilling to play ball with the rest of the world community. We are seen as a dangerous rouge state with an unstable economy, poor human rights, no health care, and a bad international debt.
Dammit Seth, I know the answers to those questions, and I know you do too! I wanted to see it jamlayfa could back up the statements made! If I had wanted to be verbally killed i would have asked you directly
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I hate it when people from either side just repeat talking points and idiotic statements. Hence, my playing Devil’s Advocate most of the time toward Dems
Why do you repeat so many conservative talking points and idiotic statements then?
Lay off of froofrou, she actually thinks for herself. She just has different opinions. The world is big enough for different opinions, and America is strong enough to tolerate dissent. PK may look like a chaotic troll fest, but there are a core group of people here from both sides who are smart, insightful, and who act like a real community, i.e. we take care of each other, and treat each other with respect. . I may be a hard core liberal, and froofrou may be a conservative, but we are both patriots who love our country. I never doubt that for a second.
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@froofrou: sorry for jumping in like that, but you know me. I’m a little, um, impetuous. And I’m all hopped up on too much coffee today
Okay, wait. Sup has a point. Froofrou has used the exact term “pals around with terrorists” when talking about Obama. If that isn’t a conservative talking point and idiotic statement rolled into one I don’t know what is. Glass houses and all that.
Awww man, really? Sheesh. Froofrou, you should know better. WWJD?
And I’ve admitted to using talking points, but only to offset the Liberal talking points being thrown at me. My house has glass windows because I like to see out, but I got rid of the glass walls a few months ago
It’s okay, I do the same thing sometimes. Well, I suppose that doesn’t actually make it okay… That’s understandable, I do the same thing sometimes. There. That’s better.
true that homie. i got your e-mail, by the way. thanks for the thought. check yours for a response, and good luck tonight!
hey! froofrou is a bright, intelligent, and friendly woman! she knows how to civilly argue, and supports her arguments well. she is far from talking points repeater, she thinks for herself, and while those thoughts lean towards the converative side, they are legitimate and well informed.
Tego, I was looking for these exact words earlier and couldn’t seem to find them, you said it perfectly!! Froofrou is definitely not a talking points repeater.
I love you guys
Returned of course!!
1.1% chance of winning.
100% chance of whining
T-minus 3 hours until we need to fire up the Whaaaaaaaaaaaambulance!
Whack whack whack !!!!!!!!
Nice!
for the whin!
Well, I just hope the right doesn’t end up despising Obama when he wins. Oops, too late.
We don’t have to paint the entire Right with that broad of a brush. Patriotic Americans on the Right will give the office the respect that it is due, even if they disagree with the man holding it. Not every conservative is an intellectually dishonest windbag like the ones we see on TV. Some of our friends here at PK are proof enough of that.
Most patriotic Americans on the right will give the office the respect it is due. I will agree based on my short time here thus far that PKers on all fronts tend to be pretty darn patriotic, and that the majority of them will indeed respect the Presidency itself, regardless of who wins.
Unfortunately, they’re not the ones who show up on the news. It’s kinda like when you go to a football game or a science fiction convention–the folks wearing the weird wigs and facepaint and acting like ninnies always wind up getting the interview. Just sayin’.
Hey! I worked HARD on those costumes!!
Why is it that conservative Americans who hold to certain ideals are automatically shot down? Just answer me that. Is it because the freakishly liberal media is in the majority right now, so that anything a Republican says is twisted until it has no semblance of the original words that came out of their mouth? Before you shoot me down for maligning the ‘god-President’ that is Obama, let me tell you a few things the man has done. He sat in the congregation of a pastor who damned and ragged on America at every possible turn, was friends with a known, nonrepentant terrorist, who, may I add, before you say “he didn’t know” the guy BABYSAT for Obama’s kids! Now if that’s not trust I don’t know what is. And, out of Obama’s mouth, he said this: “I will make the taxes on the coal industry so high that anyone who tries to start a new plant; we’ll bankrupt ‘em.” Now, I know the CONTEXT of the speech, so don’t shoot me down for that. He wants a greener economy for the US. You have to do that with SAFEGUARDS and gradual PHASING, not an instantaneous removal of one of our sources of prime income!
… because that’s all you’re gonna be able to afford if he is elected president. Just the Helper part, sans the hamburger. You won’t be able to afford beef.
The price of everything will go up after Obama increases taxes on businesses. How do you think they will recover that cost? The tax cut Obama will give the middle class will help though… right…
They will take a slightly lower profit, that is how they will recover the cost. Please click my name for a graph showing income distribution for the last forty years. The real income of the bottom fifty percent has been stagnant, while the income of the rich has risen dramatically. The rich can afford to take a little less of the pie, considering the fact that the top 10% control 90% of the wealth. They use that wealth to undermine the free market, to set up and enforce oligopolies, to undercut and destroy new players in the markets who actually try to deliver decent prices and wages. And we have let them, because the American Dream says everyone can be rich. Thirty percent of Americans think they are in the top ten percent. People think they are protecting their own interests when they protect the interests of the rich, but the American Dream is a lie. It takes, on average, five generations for a family to move from poor to middle class. Protect your own interests. You are not in the top 10%. You are being screwed, and instead of yelling “Rape!” you are defending your attackers.
Who are you to say they will take less profit? Can we enforce that through laws? I don’t think we can, but that might be where Obama is taking us… *shudder* How will an Obama plan make the bottom 50 percent income grow or the 5 generations any different? I just don’t buy it Seth. All I have seen is how the current administration has made things worse not how an Obama plan will make it better.
Seth, if you owned a business that was making a significant profit, are you going to be willing to cut back your profit? Isn’t the whole idea of being in business to make a profit, regardless of how much? How can you legislate how much profit is too much? And frankly, I haven’t heard of a business yet that has cut it’s profit margin to recover costs. They simply raise the cost of the product to cover that (oil is a prime example).
True, and I bet a lot of small businesses are not even making a significant profit, so they will have to increase prices or go out of businesses…
Newsflash. This is happening NOW. Thank the effing Republicans.
Yes, and because of that, when Obama raises taxes, prices will go up. Which will negate any kind of tax cut he will pass for the poor. This is why we need a tax cut over all, cut government spending and balance the budget. Things Obama will not do.
We CAN’T just do a general tax cut. We can’t afford the spending we have now, especially on the war(s). With an overall cut, we will just go farther into debt and increase the deficit. it’s unlikely the national debt will be paid even in the next 30 years, but we hopefully will do what we can to stop it from growing more.
Yes, of course I am willing to take a cut in profits. Hell, I am willing to pay more in taxes. I value fairness and reciprocity over personal gain. I doubt a higher income level or lower taxes would make me any happier than I am now. I don’t believe in ‘profit,’ which is just a way of making money without doing work. I believe in income, which is money earned through work, not gambling. That is all profits are, gambling winnings. There is a reason usury (lending money for profit) was considered a sin by all major religions.
Ok, but see that’s where the difference is. If you had the mind of a CEO you would not even consider that position. I know where you stand in your beliefs, and I can respect you for that, but you are not looking at it from the side of someone running a company. If you run a company on behalf of shareholders, they are not going to be happy with you if you start kicking back profits and taxes to the government. In fact, you would probably be tossed out on your butt in a heartbeat. These people have invested in the company to see a profit, not to have it given away.
Not to harp on the point, eddie, but you have just outlines the cause of the problems. Greed is NOT good. Most people are not parasites, they are good, decent people, and yet we make the parasites CEOs.
The problem is, without a profit margin how can you expect to expand your business, compete, or upgrade your infrastructure. Most companies don’t just rake it in then laugh on their way to the bank. They are always considering how to make the company better. I would agree that most people are good and decent, and in fact money can make one gluttonous for more. But the issue at hand is still taxing a thriving company because someone thinks their bottom line is too high.
How can you say that someone who has a great idea for a product, spends their own time and money to open a small business and works 24/7 to make it grow does not earn the profit they make? Especially since they take that profit and invest it in the economy or hire people who might need work… it helps everyone.
They should earn a fair income for the effort they put in, such that an
average uninterested person, looking at what they contributed and what they received, would say, “That sounds fair.”
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You are forgetting opportunity cost. The money they took from the hard work of their employees would be better in the hands of those employees, who would also invest it in the economy.
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If you believe that people should be entitled to profits that the majority of the rest of us consider unfair, then you support the use of economic force and oppression, backed up by a government with guns and more than
willing to use them to protect the property of the owning class. That’s
the top 10% who own 90% of the wealth in this country. If you try to claim that 10% of the people created 90% of the wealth, you are crazy. They never created it, they stole it from us.
Seth, what you are saying is that the government should control what your profit will be. I’m sorry, but we seriously diverge on this issue. I do not believe for one second that the governent has any right or responsibility in this regard. Tax me? Ok. Tell me what my profit margin will be? Get stuffed! I know you believe in the Socialist cause and that’s fine. But it will never fly in America.
I don’t see him saying that. You are inferring it.
He is basing it on past conversations where I have flat out stated, “I am a socialist.” I think there should be a maximum wage, just like there is a minimum wage. I also think income should be taxed on wealth level, not income level. That is, a poor person suddenly making a million a year should be taxed as a poor person until they accumulate enough wealth not to be poor.
Ok, we’re back on the same path. I don’t disagree that we should be taxed on wealth level. I do believe that everyone should pay their fair share. It just sounded like you were saying that nobody should be able to attain that level of wealth. I did indicate in a previous thread that I would not be opposed to something like a 15% tax liability without any write-offs. That would certainly level the playing field substantially.
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Unfortunately I’m at work at the moment, so I haven’t been able to catch up with the rest of this discussion.
Who is able to say what is fair? Especially if it is an incredible idea that catches on and makes me very wealthy? What about the makers of this website? I’m sure they are earning megabucks on advertising, do they deserve that? I’m not real sure what you mean by opportunity cost, how are they taking money from their employees? They pay them for work. The opportunities are there for everyone! Even very very poor and uneducated could theoretically start a business and become very wealthy. Look at what very poor Asian and East Indian immigrants have done with business ownership. I don’t consider profits unfair by any stretch and I applaud the efforts of entrepenuers. There will always be wealthy and poor and I don’t believe it’s the governments job to make things “fair”. Wealth has very little to do with happiness anyway and no one in this country is really poor. If you want to see poor, I invite you to take a look across our southern border to give you some perspective.
Is the point of business to become fabulously wealthy or to provide a service/product for the public?
I think this is the basic difference between you, ed and Seth. And me.
Some deserve to become fabulously wealthy, yes. I don’t see anything wrong with that.
Nobody is worth millions of times what someone else is worth. Especially when some people are still starving, even here in America. Well, maybe scientists who make discoveries that improve the lives of billions of people. But not CEOs, not actors, not sports stars. The thing is, it is easier for a scoiopath to become wealthy than it is for a good person to become wealthy, because aq sociopath has no empathy with the people he is stepping on. Why do we want to reward sociopaths with fabulous wealth?
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And think, what is that fabulous wealth for? It is for controlling other people. Sure, a small portion of it might go to goods and services, but most accumulated wealth is used as a tool to extract value from other people’s hard work. Ema, there is a reason that usury (lending money for profit) was a sin in most major religions, until recently. I do not believe God wants some people to be fabulously wealthy while others are starving. Remember the only thing that really pissed Jesus off? What was that again?
No one is worth more than anyone else, that is true. But money and material possessions have nothing to do with a persons worth, I think you know that. And good people become wealthy all the time, you don’t have to step on others or abuse others to become wealthy anymore than you do to get elected or to become popular. You just have to convince people to buy what you are selling. Since we have a free market, if you don’t like one company you can
pick another one. It’s competition that keeps a company honest.
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If you really believe wealth is for controlling other people then why dont you believe it true for government? I would rather have government pass the laws and regulations to protect me from abuse and control by others, not to be the actual wealthy controlling body I have to worry about! I want a government
that empowers me, not controls me.
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God wants each and every one of us to take the responsibility to do our best
for ourselves and our familes and care for each other, not depend on some government agency so we don’t have to be bothered with our neighbors or
even know they exist.
I’m not talking about intrinsic worth, I am talking about the amount of rewqard SOCIETY gives to a certain class of people. Those people do not ‘create’ this reward, nobody can do that on their own. I don’t think the amount of reward that society gives to certain people is fair.
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The difference between wealth and government is that you and I can vote on government, but we don’t get to vote on what people do with theirmoney./
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God doesn’t want you to be bothered with your neighbors? Care to cite a verse that supports that view? The government is simply a group
of individuals acting together. A community that acts together is a government, and vice versa. Are you saying God doesn’t care about community?
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Our form of government protects us from tyranny. Tyranny comes in many forms. Sometimes it comes with guns, other times with cash and lawyers. We need protection from all kinds of tyranny. Our freedoms outweigh the freedoms of a tyrant, just like my freedom from violence outweighs your freedom to swing your fist wherever you want.
But society doesn’t reward anyone beyond what they are worth because of competition and the free market. Also, I may have stated that badly, yes God wants us to be concerned with our neighbors on an INDIVIDUAL basis, not just giving our money to a government so we don’t have to be involved. We are supposed to do it ourselves. A community that acts together is fine, that is why I am ok with smaller local socialism, but smaller federal government that will not have the danger of becoming big and bloated and self interested, the same things you fear about big business. Yes, we need protection and the protection should come in the form of laws and regulations from our government. Not ever increasing social programs and government control of free markets, like how much a person can own or make. There will always be people who are richer than me, I don’t mind that just like there are people smarter or prettier. It’s not the governments job to make us all equal.
Economic diversity!!
That’s a nice theory, except that money allows one to make an end run around the free market and competition. Money is power. It can be sued to keep out competitors, form oligopolies, bribe suppliers, crush unions, and destroy the worker’s spirits. The more money you have, the more power you have to determine the valuation of things. It’s like we all get to vote on the cost of things, like our labor, but the top ten percent get 90% of the votes, and THEY say, your labor isn’t worth that much.
Even the father of the Free Market, Adam Smith said, “A free market requires regulation to remain free.” And I didn’t even address the failure modes of the free market: natural monopolies (where the marginal cost of entry into the market is simply too high to allow competition, as with sewers and roads), imbalance of information (where one party has less information than the other, and therefore, they can not come to a fair price. Usually, the one with more information gets screwed, because the one with less must assume the opther is lying), and the big one, externalities like pollution. The rich can use these failure modes to game the system, and take more than is fairly theirs.
My feeling is that the cost of goods and services will rise, but the amount of money in the hands of the working class will rise as well. More money will flow through the local economy, and businesses will make less profit as a percentage of gross sales, but a higher dollar amount. As a restaurant manager, I can deal with that just fine, thank you.
I know you don’t like O’Reily, but he did have a good point the other day. He played a clip from Martha Stewart that said she would ’suck it up’ with the rest of the country and pay more taxes personally and publically through her corporations because that was the right thing to do. O’Reilly said ok then, let’s see how many people you lay off in the first 4 years of an Obama presidency. For cost-related reasons. And if you don’t lay off a single person because your cost is too high to run because your taxes are now too high.
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It’s worth thinking about. Rich people and rich corporations are going to raise their prices in order to cover the bottom line. You’ve said it yourself that the rich are greedy, and that being true will only cause prices to rise for the middle class and those who can’t afford it in order for the greedy rich to stay rich.
Do you not think that the middle classes having more money to spend on your goods and services is benificial to businesses?
Yes it is! But it would be even better if they didn’t have to raise prices.
More custom = more profits = no need to raise prices.
It’s breath-takingly naive to think that business will pass their tax cuts onto consumers. Over here, the price of gas and energy went down massively. Did fuel prices go down for consumers? Did they bollocks, instead the energy companies payed record bonuses to management, huge dividends to sahreholders and posted record profits.
But-but Obama’s gonna pay my mortgage and for my gas !!!Isn’t he?
Nobody but idiotic Republican scaremongers ever believed that tripe.
Look at the video on YouTube, loser
(the link won’t come up)
Check out the link on the Drudge report of the lady saying that at the OBama rally
Do NOT call Seth a loser. He is the most well-informed, intelligent, and observant posters on this board. Like ema has said before, if Seth says that you are an idiot, a dolt, and came here from another planet in order to impregnate cows with your devil sperm to create a new super-race, then he will have so much data backing himself up that you will be forced to believe it as true.
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Now, about the youTube video, it’s real, and it’s SCARY.
Wow, I knew ema and I would agreed on some things. I’ve said in previous threads that if Seth called you a retard he’d have so much evidence supporting it that you’d go out and buy the helmet.
You can afford beef? Lucky. ;-P
(I can proudly report that Hamburger Helper works just fine with ground turkey, though!)
“You know, Clark, they call this stuff Hamburger Helper, but I think it’s just fine on its own.”
–Eddie Griswold (Randy Quaid), “National Lampoon’s Vacation”
Hmmm…. the intrawebz are acting up today. My comments to PK keep getting eaten and reappearing elsewhere after I re-enter my comment.
Too much traffic?? *HONK*
I thought I was being banned there for a bit!