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BACK IN BLACK….
now we just wait till 1-20-09 chea!
I hit the sack …..
It’s been too long and I’m glad to be back
weeping
weeping
tears of joy
where are the words?
No words needed!
*hands beer and a shot*
sip
gulp
THANX
Do you mind if I am still a wreck for a while? I might have developed an ulcer in the last couple months.
*drunknods*
Liver Yang rising. Pinch really hard the point between your middle- and ring toe and the spot between your thumb and forefinger.
i have never been so excited and overcome with emotion like this, it’s AMAZING!
So I’m not the only person that got emotional over the results?
My hubby and I bawled like babies. It. Is. AWESOME!
Nope. Not the only one.
I got emotional and I’m just a silly lil white girl down here in NC.. I can’t personally relate to him, but I’m so proud of everyone who went out there and put petty differences aside & voted for him!
I am a white gal also, and I cried this morning when they replayed his speech. Finally America took a step forward. After all this time. This isn’t just a step forward for blacks either. Obama has mixed blood. We should be proud of that too. Even other countries who have made this step have as yet to recognize the validity of a mixed family.
Change has come, and I am glad I was here to see it.
i’m not only ecstatic about the outcome of the election, i’m extremely proud that our young generation went out and showed that we too can put in our opinions. sooo many of us went out there and voted and showed massive responsibility. it’s overwhelming, and im crying again just thinking about it XD
I didn’t actually cry. I was sort of in too much shock. I don’t think it’s sunk in for me yet.
But I was certainly emotional. So excited, yet speechless. My hubby and I just sat there last night staring at eachother and the TV going “Omg. He won. We did it… OMG!” over and over again.
Bringing Color to the White House!
Black is the new President
But President is the new black
Anyone else curious how he will look in the black and white pictures of presidents in a history book. maybe history books should be politically correct and start using color pictures
You know… I hate to sound like a troll buts….
HOW ABOUT THEM POLLS EP!?
YAHOO!!!! We did it!! *high fives*
We’ll talk in four years, and then we’ll see
And I’ll totally admit if I’m wrong by then! Just remember, I’m a girl, and we’re never wrong 
Oh trust me, women can be wrong, its just a matter of getting them to see HOW
they are wrong
Nope. Never wrong. Maybe mistaken, a little off, but never wrong
One of my High School teachers used to say, “I may not always be right, but I’m never wrong”. Logic fail?
Four words,
Thank You For Smoking
The Logic of debating is so much fun
“I don’t have to prove myself right. I just have to prove you wrong.”
Oh yes officer, I was wrong. Very, very wrong. What are you going to do about it?
uh….. we’re never wrong?
What about Clinton?
What did you not like about Clinton? The peace or the prosperity?
Wrong Clinton
While we’re on the subject of Clinton (Hil) I will say something. It would
have been interesting to see how Hillary Clinton would’ve run this country.
I mean, What would it be like to have the devil for president? I didn’t come
up with that line. A person I know did.
Please don’t lump all my “girl”friends in with Tripp and Lewinski. Yes, it’s true, some women are wrong ALL of the time. Some are even wrong most of the time. That does not relate to whether they voted for Clinton, just to whether they sucked him off or asked their gullible friend to.
Never wrong, but you have been known to retroactively change your mind.
Still not wrong
lulz
true
Yeah but… but…. AGH! As long you women insist on always outsmarting us
males, the longer we’ll do “crazy nonsensical” things seemingly just to piss you
off!
Like… like… putting the soup spoon is the salad fork spots in the silverware drawer.
Yes, but we hold the pootie, so we hold the power. MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!
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Wait, what? hehe
*ties cherry stem in knot*
Oh, sorry, you were saying?
*removes her own cherry stem with two knots* Ahem. Oh, and did I mention the Altoids and Pop Rocks? Shall we continue?
Damn, there’s something on my nipple. Can you tell what it is???
Given the flirtations of teh Interwebs versus the Really Real World, it is not my tongue…
Pity.
Mmm, the woman has the consent but I have the ropes, the flogger, the growl, the bite, the hands, the skill. She does make a good comeback with the tongue, boobs, wiggle, and that set of curves.
I like to think things are equal. Women can be wrong but I can make it feel just right.
(Nests won’t level below this comment)
O_o?
Or making a pass at your sister at your birthday party…
No, wait, that never happened. I swear.
If Obama screws this up, it’s third & fourth party time. But he’ll do fine, if we can judge by the way he ran his campaign. He’s a good judge of character who knows how to pick the right people and delegate. Watch. He’s going to pick some Republicans for his cabinet.
two words: Sara Palin
One letter: h
*FIST BUMP*
*Fist bump!* Haha, damn this night feels good!
*fist bump* Awwwwright, I was home with a migraine when I got the news. I still WOOed!
Now that’s not nice – EP’s head probably asploded.
Although recently he’s been posting a lot less of the “Liberals in MELTDOWN!” “Palin will get all the Hillary voters, sexist Dems are FINISHED!” and “Palin knows about Ayers, Hussain Obama is RUINED!”
EP is probably planning to escape the Quiet Room even as we type… the distant gnawing of straight jacket straps…
I likes me the MLK one better, personally.
Soon available in red!
…*snrk* Yeah, that’s gonna happen.
Coming soon! With Vagina!
is that 2012 Palin support?
Bwahahahahahahahaa!!!
oh god no. please, please no.
*pulls own head off at the thought*
Palin has a vagina? If she does, I think she forgot.
She does, but thinks if she stabs all the other vaginas in the back, they’ll award her an honorary penis.
Palin’s political career is dead. She killed McCain’s chances, and everyone knows it now. Nobody is going to risk anything on a proven loser. She may be able to get a job as a pundit on Fox News, though.
Good call, Seth. You know she will NOT be going quietly off the national scene.
Oh God. Please I want to live to see that day.
As for the person in this thread who thinks vagina = Palin… OMFG… did 150 million Americans suddenly grow penises?
Yes.
Woo Hoo!
Win.
Epic win!
EPIC EPIC WIN!
WHEEEEEEEEEEEE!
YES!
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
I shouldn’t care so much, I’m in the UK, but … tears in my eyes. So happy. So emotional.
This is a great day for America.
This is a great day for the whole world. Hopefully.
World markets are already on the upswing!
kind of proves my ex-friend, who swore people were going to pull out of the markets if Obama won, wrong.
Whoooo! I’m with you…these are definitely tears of joy!
Me too. Maybe it’s the sleep deprivation (it’s 4.30am fer gawd’s sake) but I’m actually welling up. I feel so amazed at the fact that I’ve just witnessed a defining moment in the history of American and the world.
In short – fuck yeah.
You should care. It’s good to care. The sense of relief flooding the world right now is huge. The rest of the world (hopefully) dosn’t have to be scared anymore.
In a way I’m sad. I mean, now I’m not going to be more intelligent than the President anymore.
Damn… You’re right.
I’m sure there are plenty of people we’re smarter than that are in higher positions than us. :/
yeah…i’m going to miss that, but hey now we don’t have to play peekaboo to keep bush occupied, so he doesn’t destroy the world…
YAY.
Woot! Happy in Canada too! Cute Lol, too.
Same here, In Canada but still happy to see this.
Aw, when are the Canadians ever upset? Half my family is French-Canadian and everyone’s always happy and cheerful. It’s kinda nice.
I miss CBC shows like “RedGreen” and “This Hour is Twenty Minutes Long”
Ladies and Gentlemen, I show you President Barack Obama. The United States is back on a good track. God bless us all, and may we return ourselves to an honest state of freedom.
Lord, thank you for this blessing. Please guide us so we don’t fuck it up too terribly.
Amen.
Amen.
Amen (from Mexico)
Say it with me now… Barack Obama; President-Elect of the United States of America!
“Barack Obama: P-p-p-p-p-p-p-p…….” *breath* “P-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-pr-pr……”
*breath* *sigh* Still can’t say it
Allow me to say it for you.
Barack Obama. President of the United States of America.
Still not that yet. Not until January. I shall not give up the fight!
i cried.
i actually cried.
I did too. But probably for a very different reason.
me too. read your bible ppl. read your bible.
So McCain was endorsed by God? I must of missed those campaign commercials. If I knew I totally would’ve voted for him! D’oh!
it’s the anit-christ theory. don’t pander to it.
Only shows up in revisionist Christian Dominionist stuff, especially that “Left Behind” series that Timothy McVeigh was reading before he blew up his fellow Americans.
Hey now, the Left Behind series are good books! Not nearly as well crafted a storyline as The Dark Tower series (I read them both at the same, so I equate one to the other), but still something fun to read. Airplane books, if you will.
Sorry my bibles at the cleaners… or something. Since yunno, we DONT live in a THEOCRACY
I did. The part where people who add to or take away from what the Bible actually says can look forward to a nice long barbecue in the afterlife.
But as pork is non-kosher and nobody needs to eat when they’re dead, I think you can guess who the guests of honor will be.
Antichrist my ass.
People don’t read their bible any more, they just take in either cherry picked verses or outright fabrications forwarded via emails to say that Obama is the anti-Christ.
In her defense, froofrou appears to read hers.
Thought Bush was the Anti-Christ…
????
*groans* not another one… Let me guess: BHO is the antichrist, right? Chapter & verse, toots, then we’ll discuss it. And probably have an inervention for you & call the deprogrammers.
Ya I did. It said love thy neighbor and judge not lest ye be judged. Also said, ye who is without sin may cast the first stone.
Strangely, I didn’t see any of that in your post.
What does the bible have anything to do with Obama? Please enlighten me, being that I’m one who studies her bible. I’d like to know what I missed.
BTW~when I said “her” I was referring to myself in third person. Just to clarify.
Dont worry, the ones with braincells knew what you meant.
Well, you’ve got until January to practice. And then it gets easier, because you can drop the “elect”!
All I can say is congratulations. Not that I really like the man, but the voters have spoken and I respect that. So, despite the fact that I didn’t vote for him, he is the President-elect.
You, Sir, are a gentleman and a class act.
Very classy, Eddie. Thanks.
thanks eddie! you be rockin my sockins! i can has ‘nother high five (just for your awesomeness more than B.O.’s victory)?
OMG….it just dawned on me… B.O. well if he ends up completely sucking i have a back up nickname for him.
unlike a woman, i can admit when i’m wrong *nudge-nudges wink-winks at froofrou*
I’m being honest when I say that I truly hope that Obama is the best president we’ve ever had. It’s about time we had a good one. I just hope we’re not paying $10 for gas in 6 months like I suspect we will be
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And i_tego, I never have to admit when I’m wrong, because I’m never wrong!
*huggles*
*high-five and a fist bump, mate*
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I will say, you guys done good. Much better then our team.
THAT’S how an American should be. Thank You Eddie for being a stand up person.
You are a mensch, Eddie. Glad I’ve met you!
Well said! It was a fun and exciting campaign that kept me on the edge of my seat. Well done for both parties.
McCain’s speech was fantastic; even though I didn’t vote for him, I still have lots of respect for the guy.
I felt the same. I didn’t vote for either one, though. I’m just glad Palin lost. I actually felt kinda bad for McCain. He looked like he had cried. Palin just looked pissed.
A man among men, my friend!! That’s you!
Bravo, Eddie. You are a gentleman and a scholar.
Much love and respect, my friend. Thank you for your grace and civility.
i wish there were more gracious people like you out there in the world. =)
YES YES YES YES!!! YEEEESSSSS!!!! YEEESSSSSS!!! OBAMA!!!! YES!!! =D
He’s not black. He’s interracial.
You use the race of the father. He’s black. If his dad had been white, he’d be identified as white.
Yet with jewish descent its the opposite… a maternal bloodline… interesting.
Never studied the Jewish descent. That’s just how it was explained to me.
Oh that is the way is in America.. just stating how its backwards elsewhere.
Also if I remember right, in genetics, arent most of the female genes dominant?
In America, IF your skin is dark, you are black. At least among most whites. I am not saying that is correct, just how it is.
Actually, i have a friend whose half black and everyone thinks she’s
Mexican.
I have a friend who’s indian and everyone thinks she’s black. =P
Indian as in India. Not American-Indian. Just FYI.
He is NOT Black. He IS Interracial. People are going off saying the first black president of America. but the fact is that he is interracial. end of story.
And Spock was only half-Vulcan.
Seriously, though, the man is not a WASP.
Except he identifies as being black, doesn’t he? Which is what matters most, in the end.
To each his own, but it’s weird that he identifies as being black, yet he was rasied ‘white’. Ah well, doesn’t matter
I hope he does a great job!
Maybe it’s weird; it’s not my issue to comment on, as it’s not my skin. And you’re right. In the end, the job is what matters, and I do have hope he can do a good job. So, we’ll see. :3
Yeah I’m Mexican & my son is half black & all the white people at church call him black. He was asked to take part in a question answer session & the person who was casting said she needed someone to represent blacks & her husband came up with my son. lol He looks Cuban or Puerto Rican to me, but whatever. He relates to my side more than his dads.
I figured it was a hangover from the “one drop” rule. “If you’re not white, you’re black!”
Females’ genes aren’t dominant (at least not by virtue of being carried by the mother)… Maybe you’re thinking of traits that are carried on the X chromosome (e.g. haemophilia, red-green colour blindness) that are carried by females and are much more commonly seen males? Wikipedia can elaborate
Australia (well, most people I’ve talked to, ever) loves the result, by the way.
You missed male pattern baldness, that comes down the maternal line
Ah right. Yes, I didn’t think of that because, as a female, I don’t have a mortal fear of male pattern baldness. But again, largely X-linked.
depends on where you are from.. Miss. does by maternal blood line.. You are what your mother is.. at least the school district does so i would assume the state does the same
People of Jewish decent are considered to have their mother’s race/bloodline, but people of the christian faith consider the father to pass on the bloodline. Hence the confusion of children of a Jewish mother and christian father. Both? Win!
Generally, in the US if you’re half white and half minority you’re identified with the minority, regardless of whether it was your mom or your dad who was the minority. Not saying that’s right, just saying that’s the way it is.
That depends on where you live. Around here it’s the dad’s race, and is how they identify you on your birth certificate and DL all over the country.
Just asking ’cause I’m interested, but where’s “here”? I’m from TX and my mom’s half Irish/half Korean and my dad is German. I’m supposed to list myself as Korean (or, you know, ‘Asian/Pacific Islander’) because that’s the minority that I am. It’s on my birth certificate and all that jazz.
Texas as well. I guess maybe it’s different in different parts of the state? That’s just what I was told. I’m an Anglo mutt with pasty white skin, and so is my daughter, so the interracial thing never came up with us
why the heck does anyone have to identify their race anyway? I’m white, so I’ve never really thought about it, but da-yam that seems so 19th century.
Srsly. For instance, my great^x grandfather was Mongolian, otherwise I’m entirely white (Eastern European ancestry). Does that make me asian? No, I’m me, and I’m American, and that’s really the only race I identify with (ie: the melting-pot race).
Hey, identifying myself as a Korean-American woman helped me when it came to getting money for college and I’m poor, so every little bit helps. Plus, people just like to lump people into categories. If it isn’t by raqce, it’ll be by something else – that’s just the way it is.
Personally, I don’t think you should be able to claim a certain nationality for as long as this county allows it (according to the current laws, my grandchildren will still be able to call themselves Korean even no further Korean blood is introduced), but as long as you can point to one person from your own personal bloodline who was alive at the same time as yourself and who is 100% of whatever it is you are trying to claim – I have no problem with people calling themselves whatever minority they want.
It might sound close-minded and stereotypical ‘Southern’, but, for the most part, I think the only reason people struggle so hard to get claimed as a minority is to get some sort of monetary reward out of it. I mean, like I said before, I cashed in on my Korean blood…
K, wow… *totally* didn’t mean to type that much…
My mother’s generation, it was all about ‘what country are your people from?’ Irish were thought to have this personality trait, Germans have that one, etc… Humans do seem to like their categories, don’t they?
that’s true too, my children can attest to that.
I remember reading that in Mexico, driver’s licenses used to have designations for white (i.e., Anglo), black, Hispanic, and Indian. Then they had to change it because they were getting applicants who were black and white, Anglo and Hispanic, etc. etc. Eventually they had so many categories (black and white but not Hispanic, black and Hispanic but not Indian), etc. that it was like the menu in the Spam sketch, and they finally said the hell with it and eliminated the category altogether.
How about PERSON.
If you’re a person, you’re a person. Who gives a rats ass about the rest
Love your idea. Too bad it’s not the way it is in the real world, though. I hope it becomes that way soon.
Stop it! Quit making sense! You’ll get locked up for saying stuff like that.
I’ve always been taught that you go with the opinion of the person in question. I’m 1/4 Swedish, 1/4 Russian (pre-1917), 1/4 German, 1/16 French, 1/8 Irish, and 1/16 Dutch.
When someone asks, I just say “white,” but “ruddy Translucent-American” would be more accurate.
“3/4 mick + 1/4 limey, all yankee, New Hampshire-based” is how I respond
“You white?”
“Mostly Irish. Last century’s Mexican.”
I love the line from “The Commitments”: “Let’s face it, lads. The Irish are the Blacks of Europe. Dubliners are the Blacks of Ireland, and Southsiders are the blacks of Dublin. So let’s here you say it once lads, and say it loud: I’m Black and I’m proud!”
*hear
I think it’s determined by whether or not you have a hard time getting a cab in the city. It comes from the (abominable, shameful) belief that “White” is pure, normal, and average, and any deviation from it is tainted
We can all hope, I think, that Obama’s daughters will never know what that’s like.
Friend of mine ran into that situation in Japan. Don’t try to catch a cab in Tokyo at 11:00pm if you are 6′4″ with sharp European facial features!
That’s not how it works. If one of your parents is identifiably black, that makes you black. Some people even still “honor” (if you can call it that) the “one-drop rule.”
Same thing for Native Americans. Americans in general are weird about race.
THAT is entirely artificial – NOT any sort of rational application. Why is a child of a white woman and a black man more black than white? If you didn’t know who the hell is parents were, what then? Please; my family in Ireland has many mixed elements, some Polish, some black, and now my neice is dating a young man of Indian birth and how the hell are you going to label THAT??? They just all call themselves Irish.
He’s black Irish
Sure, with a last name like O’bama…
But seriously. Does that make him Birish?
I’m sorry, but “Bi-rish” makes me think of two drunk gals making out on St. patty’s Day
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought that!
Ooooh Hawt…
Wow. Racism triumphs again. I can’t believe in some states 100% of the black vote was for Obama.
You were surprised? That’s just how it rolls.
Voting for Obama just because he’s black is just as racist as voting for McCain just because he’s white. I just pray that we get lucky and he was the right choice. But in my humble opinion, the way the poll booths kept breaking down today and how many people were forced into using paper and emergency ballots, I wouldn’t be surprised AT ALL if those numbers for both is votes and McCain’s are incorrect.
oops ignore this, somehow punditkitchen died and posted this comment twice.
I think that voting for someone who understands your struggle is intelligent and reasonable. Hard to see why a rich white guy would understand, or care, about the problems blacks have in our nation. None of them have shown that capacity to date, so blacks voting for a black man is just plain good sense. I’d say the same if it was President Powell.
You know, I really wish it were. That’d be cool.
We could certainly do worse. I’m still happier with Barrack though.
“Voting for Obama just because he’s black is just as racist as voting for McCain just because he’s white.”
Which is undoubtedly what some people did. Just like Bush wouldn’t have been able to win without white born again Christians voting for him because he was a white born again Christian.
I’d probably say because they THOUGHT he was born again Christian.
61% of Obama’s support came from white people.
23% = black
11% = Hispanic
according to ABC News
Yeah its racism, has nothing to do with a majority of Americans actually agree with Obama more than McCain. No nevermind a clean fair almost DOUBLE electoral vote win. Its all about race. Because the republicans are never given a fair chance to show they’re better for the job. *sigh*
This is a sad day for America. Not because Obama won, but because he won mostly because he was black. I wasn’t aware that the color of a person’s skin meant they were the better man.
Obviously to you.. your vote was decided when someone mentioned his race.
Others of us, not so close minded.
I voted based on their policies, the color of their skin matters zilch to me. Same goes with gender. We’ve had all white men as president up until now, and they’ve been equally good and equally bad, so obviously color doesn’t matter now does it?
Win.
Thats what Ive been saying, but by your comments you truly believe that race is
the deciding factor. You cant say “Well everyone else chose him by race
otherwise they would have voted my way.” and then turn around and claim
that race has no bearing. It may have to some, but to say he won just because
of his race is bigotry, whether you’re racist or not. If it was a matter of racism
Obama would have been ahead and stayed ahead and never faltered. But it
went back and forth for a good time period. Obama won on the issues, the
polls and the electoral vote show that. Plain and simple.
race has no bearing to me, but I cannot say the same for everyone unfortunately.
Then logically you cant say sh*t about why Obama was elected. Good
Day sir!
I don’t understand your point. It’s not the race of a winning/losing candidate that pisses me off, it’s racism.
You said:
“because he won mostly because he was black. I wasn’t aware that the color of a person’s skin meant they were the better man.”
And:
“We’ve had all white men as president up until now, and they’ve been equally good and equally bad, so obviously color doesn’t matter now does it?”
This is contradictory; that is his point. Either race was the deciding factor or not, it can’t be both. I agree with Max. He won by a much bigger margin than could be accounted by just blacks voting for him.
I was showing that a person can be a good candidate or a bad candidate regardless of color. You can be white and vote for Obama just because he’s black. The news just mentioned NOTHING, absolutely nothing on any of my local channels about the ‘white vote’. They concentrated on the ‘minorities’ especially the black individuals. You can be a black president and be absolutely amazing, or you can absolutely suck. How the nation does has nothing to do with the person-in-power’s skin color.
Where do you live? I only ask because my local channels spoke a*lot* about the ‘white’ vote and how much of it Obama was stealing from McCain. I live in Houston, by the way.
New York City. our news stations are OFTEN biased but ABC 7 is supposed to be the most centered it really wasn’t. Here they kept harping about the ‘minorities’ and the ‘minority vote’. It was quite annoying, I want the whole story.
Sure you can be white and vote for that reason. I was only saying it’s likely not the ONLY reason for many. Maybe note even a reason at all for many more. The news coverage may be flawed, but don’t read so much into it. It’s a historic moment.
Reread what Maxwell said in his larger post. If he won because of racism then his polling would have been more consistant.
*buys a shot for Max Silver~*
Minorities voted for Obama because he understands their struggle, not because of the color of his skin. But if you need to believe it was race that won this race in order to sleep at night, you go right ahead.
OH GOOD GRIEF!!!
So true… He could’ve been purple, and my undying devotion would still belong to him. I am in awe at his amazing spirit. And I will never see America the same again. We got a REAL PERSON in office! A REAL PERSON! ::happy sighs::
You keep on telling yourself that. The way Obama comported himself throughout this campaign, his poise and command of the issues were what wowed most people. McCain has had the decency to congratulate Obama and stress that he is a good man. It’s come to the stage that a black man can be elected President of the USA, but unfortunately some people can’t accept that those who voted for him made a value judgement and gave him their vote because they trust him and believe in him.
You’re going to tell me that in some states the fact that they had a 100% black vote for Obama is because of his promises? Bullshit.
You are making a bigoted statement. Do you know for a fact there are some districts that went for Obama with 100% of the black vote in that district? If so, are you then assuming that all these black people are uneducated as to the issues and could not make the choice based on anything other than race? It’s liek they mistakenly thought before about Hillary supporters taking up Palin just because she became the only female on the ticket. Women didn’t vote for that ticket because they didn’t like the policies. It’s quite likely that although SOE blacks did select Obama based on his race, many chose him for his policies, or in the very least because they wanted to vote against McCain/Palin. You are way overgeneralizing, and it’s coming across as racist.
Yes, because ABC 7 news kept mentioning it OVER AND OVER. I’m not pulling this information out of thin air. FOX 5 kept saying the same thing OVER AND OVER. Didn’t anyone watch the full coverage besides me?
Just because some news coverage may be flawed, does not mean they are all saying black people ONLY voted because he’s black. The news doen’t represent the people very much anyway.
I just checked CNN, and they said that roughly 97% black went for Obama. I checked in on my phone, so I can’t give you the actual cite, cuz I dont’ know what it is
Yes, but that does not mean that they all voted for him because o race. That’s saying they are all uneducated rubes. Sure there were some, but we’ve also been over the fact that there were also some that voted against for race reasons.
… versus looking at the other stats, like how this 97% falls in socio-economic classes and how much that had to do with anything?
That’s why I hate these sort of demographic polls: if 80% of Jews voted for Congressperson Herb, di I get there votes because the voters were Jewish, or because they agreed with my policies?
Just doing my job as Devil’s Advocate. I don’t have to back it up, mwahaha
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I really don’t know about how the stats break down. I didn’t look that far into it because I’m at work and can’t. And you’re right, it DOESN’T mean they all voted for him because of his race. In my small data pool in my immediate area, though, all of the minorities around me (at work) freely admit to voting for him for racial reasons. It’s a little disheartening. But, it is a small group of people and by no means should be viewed as a whole.
The black population in the United States has always leaned Democrat anyway though. In some states the ONLY demographic which had a majority voting for McCain was white men. Were they all voting for him just because he was white?
And because he had a Y chromosome?
And your psychic powers tell you this? We have a secret ballot in this country, if you recall. There’s no way anyone could tell if 100% of any group voted for any candidate. You are just making stuff up and claiming it’s true, which is exactly the kind of crap that cost you the election.
If McCain had comported himself throughout the campaign with the same class he showed in his concession speech, my choice might have been more difficult. However…
And, personally, I wouldn’t care if Obama was purple with orange spots, he impresses me as an educated, intelligent man who understands the personal power that self control imparts.
Yea Obama and yea us.
hear, hear about McCain’s speech. That was the man I was interested in 4 years ago. And then he went and saddled himself with Palin. I do feel sorry for him; he is a good man. I think he let himself be taken over too much by his party.
That’s such a load of crap. He won because his ideas were better, and because he is the more talented and inspiring leader. Cling bitterly to your racism if it helps you sleep at night, but it marks you as a troglodyte.
I’m sorry but I’m not racist. I could care less if Obama was purple with pink polkadots. Color doesn’t matter when it comes to the value of a human’s ideas. Regardless of the color of our skin we are still equal. We’re all made of the same things. Our only difference is our gender organs, but they’re for the same purpose.
See, the thing is, you can’t bring yourself to admit that Obama had better ideas that resonated with the country. It’s much easier for you to believe that Obama won because of race than it is to admit that the country just resoundingly spanked the Republican party because of their failures. Look at how many House and Senate seats the Democrats picked up. Were they all because of race, too? Sorry, race had little to do with this race. Face it, the country has moved back to the left again, Middle America has embraced the Democratic party and rejected the Republican party. That is the fact you are hiding from with your whining about race.
I would argue that he won DESPITE the color of his skin, if anything. It was a handicap for JFK that he was a Catholic in 1960, and he overcame that. I don’t think the majority of the electorate voted for JFK BECAUSE he was a Catholic back then; they voted for him in spite of it or because they thought it didn’t matter. With the history that America has in relation to blacks, I find it ridiculous for someone to argue that Obama had an advantage because he’s black.
Well, the fact that in some states the black vote was 100% for Obama, I think that speaks pretty loud for itself. I highly doubt that in any election anyone EVER got 100% of any nationality vote in any state.
Up until now I think the whites carried the white vote….
Ok now Im just being trollish. But if you cant admit to yourself that a whole
people think differently then you… so be it.
Well, being a troll drives out the true character of the person you’re trolling right? I just don’t like that people do vote that way, regardless of who’s running. I just have no other campaign to compare it to because this is a first. It’s just fishy the way some of the nationality votes turned out.
“It’s just fishy the way some of the nationality votes turned out.”
100% of Americans voted for either Obama, McCain, or a lesser party candidate. I don’t get your comment. Unless you meant fishy because some predominantly-white counties voted for McCain, or some such nonsense.
The people voted for the candidates they thought best, and for now the better man won out.
I meant the nationalities like the hispanics, asians and blacks the whole media kept harping on, not the whole nation of America.
Those are racial categories, not national.
I’ll concede as much as the asininity of the press reporting the “black vote”as a particular block, but then these are the people that lump most people into category of some sort.
My guess: 65-70% of the “black vote” was because the people backed his socio-political ideas.
Those are not nationalities. They’re ethnicities.
No doubt there were plenty of people who voted for Obama because of his rae. No doubt there were plenty of people who voted for McCain because of *his* race.
No doubt both groups were wrong. And no doubt there was a huge honkin’ bunch of people who voted for Obama because he had inspired them and won their loyalty. Quit trying to cheapen this.
I love how oranegreen is making out that being an African-American is now the secret key to becoming president. Like every president we’ll have from now on will be black, because it’s sooo advantageous.
Yeah, next we’ll be getting 35 year old presidents to get the youth vote. What an advantage!
oranegreen,
You are an idiot. I could respond with my normal care and logic, but I’m not going to waste the effort on racist trolls.
Just STFU!
Exit polls state that age was a bigger factor than race in the overall election. Which tbh I believe. McCains age has been a huge issue for me
SUrely you did not just say that it is a sad day in AMerica when AMerica voted for the better man. Tell me you are not so jaded.
Its not because they agree with him. Did you not see the news segment where crews went out and asked Black Obama supporters if they were voting for Obama because he was “For the war in Iraq or because he is Pro-Life” and NOT ONE OF THEM corrected the news crew. So many people dont KNOW WHAT THEY ARE VOTING FOR! THEY ARE UNINFORMED! THEY VOTED BASED ON THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN! People are going out there doing more harm than good by voting completely blind. Its sad. Personally, I think they are both complete crap but if you’re going to vote do some goddamned research on your candidate first. christ.
I’m pretty sure if they reversed it and asked McCain supporters as well, the same thing would happen. I wonder how many people actually corrected the news crew, they do edit those segments. The sad thing was though when they asked about how they felt if Sarah Palin became vice president. If you were REALLY voting for Obama you’d know who his running mate is.
It’s unfortunate that some people voted for him because of his skin color, not in a racial way, but rather, in order to have made history. He won because he DOES represent a majority of this country, LIBERAL.
He is the most Republican liberal I’ve heard since – well, talking to my husband.
Seriously, listen hard to his speech in Chicago last night; that was not the speech of a socialist, a liberal or a hard core conservative.
That was the sort of speech I heard from my Republican parents while I was growing up. My mom used to tell me that because I live in America, I could be anything I chose to be. I just had to figure out what that was! Still working on it….
Stupidity is color blind, you hear such stupid things in every election. When we had our election people voted Harper saying he was against the copyright bill, when infact he supports it.
why are you surprised.. the black vote is allegedly only 12% of the population..why wouldnt they vote for someone who looks like them… its a first sweetie.. and that isn’t so much about race but look at how far we have come..from slaves to president…
It’s a history making event I’m proud to have been a part of, even if the person I voted for didn’t win. It was my first time voting as well.
Yeah, Obama won because all the blacks are voting for him. I mean… Obama took Maine and it is 96% white. There is no way that its because most people think he’s the best candidate.
Good point.
Orane, I thought the point you were making was…oh nevermind…
*sigh* I hate them both. Has anyone even HEARD of George Phillies?
I can’t admit that someone made a good point against mine? Their good point doesn’t change my opinion much though. A lot of the ‘minority’ votes the news kept HARPING on about looked suspiciously like racism for Obama.
So all those votes that were cast for racist reasons are somehow not as good as votes cast for the honourable reasons of, for example, supporting a candidate’s economic policies?
WTF?
Some people liked Obama/McCain’s economic policies, and voted accordingly. Other people thought the colour of Obama/McCain’s skin was more important for them, and voted accordingly.
Every American got one vote to use. Everyone cast their vote the way they wanted to*. No votes are ’suspicious’ because of the reasons for casting them. You may find the opinions of other Americans not to your liking, but people have a right to use their vote the way they want.
Deal with it.
*Insert obligatory Florida joke here.
most of those that voted for him probably had no idea what in the hell was really going on. they probably just voted for him because he was black or half black or whatever you want to call him. that makes me sad because race should not be the issue. god help us all
That’s the way it goes for most people these days. It’s whoever “seems” best. It is the reason why they skirt around the issues. “Obama is part muslim, he’s going to turn us over to the terrorists,” “McCain voted with Bush 90%, he’s going to be another Bush.” People should be looking at the real issues like who is going to help out the middle and lower classes.
Thankfully the president doesn’t have as much power as people think he does. It’s all in the congress. Yeah he can veto a law, but that can be overturned too.
And yet race has been the issue in every single other race. Otherwise we’d have had a mix of races making it to the major nominations all along.
If you vote white, you’re voting race, because white is not “default.” If you think it is, you’re racist.
By the way, I’m white too.
I can’t believe you’re equating voting for a black man with lynching one.
Come on! Someone give me a virtual high five!!!
*Holds up hand*
*high fives Javascap*
WOOOO!!! \m/
*high fives*
*lunges on n8 and gives him a giant virtual hug*
Obama… the president… =D
*returns hug fiercely*
WE DID IT!!!
*drunkbeartackles n8*
*dusts self off*
Sorry ’bout that. Liquored up and over-excited.
F*ck yeah!
*clap*
-High Five-
-Low Five-
-Chest Bump-
*high five*
*low five*
*terrorist fist bump*
*high-fives*
*extends fist for bumping*
*fist bump*
Damn straight!!
This…Is the taste of WIN!
Tonight, we dine in the WHITE HOUSE!
Uh, jumping the gun a little?
You still have until January.
froofrou’s anticipating assassins! zOMG!!!
JUMPING guns, not shooting them, hehe. I refuse to say it’s ok to assassinate based on a difference of opinion. And boy do we differ!!!!
Even if it were, say, Kim Jong Il?
Maybe a light slapping, but not an assassination. Now, a full on military strike, sure! Go for it! But not going gently into that sweet night from a sniper’s bullet. Too easy.
Good point. I like the way you evilly plot.
Mwahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!
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>_>
<_<
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What, what?
In the butt butt!
Excuse me Miss… I couldnt help but hear the maniacal laughter in
my fortress of solitude, and my lovely forced Bride Jane and I would
like to know if you would be interested in allying in a horrendously sexy
axis of evil? Would you?
*tweaks one eyebrow up and rubs his hands together*
0_~ Can I have the big whip?
Oh my yes…. yes indeed.
Any room for a Dark Dragon God? I need to expand my cult following.
Please tell me you appear to your underlings in the form a giant floating head with laser eyes…..
Unfortunately, I go with the six armed, serpentine, winged dragon form clouded by wispy shadows. I do however have laser eyes from time to time.
Slapping… with a trout?
It’s hardly worth shooting Kim Jong Il, since he’s already seriously ill (and that headline has got to be a proofreader’s nightmare).
We could feed him to the catfish and ask him how he likes it.
If it wouldn’t disrupt the evil plotting too much, I’d prefer to bread the catfish with cornmeal and cook up a nice picnic. We can always run over Kim Jong afterward.
I’m not really religious, but last night when Obama walked out to give his acceptance speech, I prayed for the first time in years, “Don’t let him get shot. Don’t let him get shot. Oh please, don’t anybody shoot him.”
Oh man, that’s exactly what was going on when my friends and I were watching too….just hoping that he would not get shot at (but we noticed the plexiglass shields and were able to relax more)
And tomorrow, I am thinking Arbys!
We all knew that because of the cartoon hat levitating above your head.
Now the terrorists are going to feel unthreatened and they will take over Israel. Once they do that, they will take over the west (the U.K. and the U.S.A.) and take the world for Allah. This is the beginning of the end for America.
2012 anyone?
AMEN!
^
paranoid much?
No… paranoid all de time!
‘Fear would always keep you blind’
*tunes banjo*
*ba-na-NA-na-NA-na-NA–Na–na..”
*paddles faster*
He sure does have a purty mouth….
Oh no! Not Israel!! Man, if only Israel had their own military and leadership, that could keep them safe! Oh, wait, they do! So it’s NOT MY F’N PROBLEM!
And of course everyone knows that if you want to take over the UK and America…. all you have to do is to take Israel… because of that whole teleportation device that we share with Israel that lets you into the countries onto
our military bases right next to the self destruct button…..
*rolls his eyes*
DAMMIT! You weren’t supposed to find out about that!!!!
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*packs quickly to leave*
Are you serious? Israel leads to the UK and America? F*CK! No wonder I always lose at Risk.
LOL. It seems you need a new strategy.
[clutches pearls]
Won’t somebody think of the children??
lmfao!
Would somebody call Whine-One-One? We need a Waaaaaaaahmbulance over here…
Where is the Whaaaaambulance Whacker when we need him most?
Here is the poster (pun intended) child that results from fear and hate filled smear campaigns. They create paranoia and a lack of patriotism, i.e. respecting the office of president regardless of who gets elected. It won’t help the country heal. This campaign was particularly brutal, and has led to this kind of bordering on crazy fear and paranoia.
hahahahahaha
There is a phrase used by radical muslims that says: “First comes saturday, then comes Sunday.”. What it means is they will first destroy the Jews in Israel, who worship on Saturday, then the Christians of the U.s., who mostly worship on Sunday.
HELLS YEAH! The whole extended family’s been watching and cheering and we dont even live in America!
And four years of darkness begins…
too true.
Quite literally. lololololol
is that racist?
Oh no no, I think you’re a little confused. That began in 2004.
HECK YES! HE DID IT!
And so, the Nightmare begins…enjoy the taxes
Don’t worry, the whaaaaambulance will be here in a bit. They’re kind of booked tonight.
I hate the whole “spread the wealth” idea. Hard-working Americans who get paid well for it are going to be punished for being WEALTHY! Meanwhile, that guy in your friend’s house who has been mooching off him for almost a year will get paid for NOTHING!
Thats not what spread the wealth is. If you stop and think (tough concept for many), ALL taxes are spreading the wealth. Also if you think about it, those people being “punished” for being wealthy mostly got that way with the assistance of lower class working people. His concepts are merely about taking care of those people, rather than hoarding it among the few.
His plan fails though He says he’s going to reduce taxes on the poor by increasing taxation on business. Suddenly businesses cant afford to hire more workers and the poor minimum wage crowd cant find jobs and then they’re unemployed and on welfare. He’s a fucking idiot. They both are. Not that it even matters because no pres does what he says he’s going to do anyway.
As opposed to the much better McCain plan of reducing taxes on businesses by cutting essential services. Suddenly customers can’t afford to patronise businesses, businesses can’t afford to hire more workers…
Conservatives have been spouting that same philosophy for years. How has that theory been working?
America has thoroughly rejected your backwards and illogical brand of radical capitalism. We are done pandering to the rich and selfish. This was the death knell of the Reagan legacy, except… Reagan was Barack’s favorite president, according to his Harvard Law advisor, who thought the Obamas were Republicans when he first met them. Ooops, hehe. Take it from a socialist, our new President Elect is a fiscally conservative centrist along the lines of Clinton and Reagan.
Spread the Wealth is a socialist idea and I disagree with that. Fortunately despite the socialist spin, the wealth will be spread primarily to the Fed, and they are always so good at handling our money…oh wait.
*misses our 700,000,000,000*
Taxes aren’t punishing anyone for their monetary status. Taxes go to the community like building schools and paying for scholarships. Though, most of those tax issues are a local thing, not national.
I WILL enjoy the 20K his proposed tax plan (all we can go on right now) will save me over four years. Thanks for caring.
C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!
LOLWINBBQ
A sad day for America.
VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great, now I can’t even post a congratulations to those who voted for Obama. *sigh*
yes you can. And I would accept that congrates
What? Why not?
[feels foolish waiting for unmet high-five]
C’mon, Edster!
Thanks for the ‘grats, Eddie. I think you’ll find that Obama will be a great president, and will do much to restore America’s tattered honor. *raises a glass from across the world* Cheers, mate.
Thankyew.
First time I’ve voted for a winner since… *calculates* Ever, I think… I can’t remember if I voted for Clinton…
This man is elected not because of his skin color but because he is the better person for the long and hard job ahead. I wish there was no thing as skin color because that is all the tv and newspeople are pointing out about Obama. Would we say a white McCain had he won? No. so lets start by saying our next and newest president not our black president.
^win
Yeah, he wasn’t voted because of his skin color. That’s why all these Twitterers and Facebookers are saying “FSK YEAH! FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT!”… I’m sure they didn’t vote just because of skin color. Sure.
(Not to say all did, by no means. I’m just kinda of certain that was a lot of it.)
That doesn’t mean he was voted for because of his skin colour. It just means wow, he’s the first black president. It’s a long way to come from when blacks weren’t even considered citizens in America, and were only property. Now we have a black President Elect, and I think that’s pretty cool.
I’m sure a lot of people voted for Obama because he’s black. I’m equally sure a lot of people voted for McCain because he’s white. Is it right? No. Not on either side. But I think it’s a shame that Obama’s having to deal with people trying to make less of his achievement (becoming President [-Elect]). Some people voted based on some horribly fatuous reasons. Most didn’t.
I agree. I’m just saying that a lot of my friends have First Black President things on facebook, and a lot of those friends are white, and made those things their status because they thought it was an historical acheivement. Maybe that’s just my friends, though. It might be different on a larger scale.
I was replying to Phaelin. I think it’s pretty cool, too.
It IS a historical achievement. Bitter much? Would you be talking this crap if he’d been Republican?
If he had been elected solely on race, probably.
Conversely, there were probably a fair number of people who voted *against* Obama because they would never vote for a black guy. I don’t agree with that, either, but they didn’t ask my permission, so whattya gonna do?
Have you ever been to the Northeast? You know, where all those cold white people live? He didn’t win the northeast by being black, he won it by being the better man.
Not to egg on the argument, but the Northeast is traditionally liberal anyway. Like I said, I’m not saying that’s why he won (which so many people shoved into my mouth it seems for saying something slightly negative about the victory) by any means, so get a grip.
And, for the record, this comment applies to everyone that decided to take my comment as “lol he only won because of race”. I put a little more thought into my beliefs than that, thank you very much.
No, it was the economy. Republican policies screwed the pooch. America is done with greed and selfishness. You keep telling yourself it was just race though. It wasn’t the Republican ideology, that’s why you guys picked up so many house and senate seats, oh, wait…
I never said it was just race. I never said it wasn’t the economy. Come on now.
What you said.
*cheers*
Huzzah!
Don’t hold your breath, guys. I have a feeling we’ll be swearing in Biden. (Not that I mind =D )
At least he didn’t do the stupid thing and get Clinton as a running mate. He’d need a food taster from day one!
Understand this: if -anything- happens to President Obama, there WILL be a civil war.
That’s what my Health/Constitution teacher always said- that the way our country was going, we’d probably be in civil war in the future. This was before Obama was President Elect.
Nah, I doubt a civil war. We are too disorganized. Maybe some hellish riots, but then They would give us cheeseburgers to settle us down. ^_^
Even though I don’t agree with Obama being president, I don’t want to see him assassinated. I’d rather see him impeached than die.
Jumping the gun much? Usually you guys wait for a little illicit sex before you try that.
My fellow Americans, I did not have sexual relations with that bar stool but I did ride it like a mechanical bull while twirling my cowboy hat. We are also BFF…
Glee about possible presidential assassinations is disgusting. America need unity now. people need to get over it and try to work together. McCain’s concession speech was really good on this point. Enough with the hate and paranoia!
Brilliant! Simply brilliant!
finally america gets an epic win!
we needed one.
He’s barely a light brown.
Coffee with cream.
Free at last, free at last, thank God Allmighty, we are free at last!
froofrou is a sexist pig
Why? You can’t understand sarcasm and humor?
i’m lost as to why this accusation is here…unless he’s joking…
hard to say as no context was given. She had some silly statements about never being wrong, etc, but it was obviously tongue-in-cheek.
I consider it a complement that I’m here enough to inspire hatred and fearmongering
*compliment. Sorry, I’m not a free mint.
froofrou is a SHE.
There is a certain level of hatred I suddenly have for you that borders on the sadistic and against the laws of nature. Instead of describing how I could enjoy your quieting screams after your hours of dying, I will simply call you an idiot instead.
You’re an idiot. A rot brain, pig molesting, goat raping, infantile twit with the brain span of however long it takes for you to finish your brown bag of liquor. May your organs fester and your eyes burn while the deformity you call your genitalia explode in acidic bursts while you scream without a tongue.
In short, don’t insult froofrou, it triggers a bile reaction in others.
W00T! WE DD IT! YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYY!!!
Was that a Muslim battle cry!? :O (Kidding, obviously)
Ahhh, it feels good doesnt it?
Seriously, who gives a flying fuck about race? That’s whats so fucked up about this whole thing, people voting on color lines, not on issues.
I voted for him because of issues. Maybe if I was black, I’d have fogotten all I know about the issues and just voted because of race. C’mon, get real. Sure there are a few voting for that reason, just as there were some voting against him, also because of race. That doesn’t mean race was THE deciding factor. The margins don’t account for that. In the district I am most aware of, the vote was like 60/40 and not everybody was black.
Wow. I need a new keyboard. I’m missing letters all over the place in my posts. *sigh*
Keep telling yourself that. This WAS a vote on issues. This was a vote on the economy, and the war. This wasn’t about race, this was about America thoroughly and completely rejecting Republican ideology. Otherwise, how do you explain the huge house and senate gains? You WISH this was about race, you can’t stand the fact that America has rejected your ideology, so you pretend it’s about race.
Woot Woot!
At least one Canadian is happy he won.
I’m extremely excited about this. All school year, I’ve had to listen to my Biologist/Maths teacher berate Obama, calling him an ignorant foreigner, bashing him about his apparent Muslim faith (even after it had been denied), and basically slandering his image while I had to listen without saying anything because she’s my teacher. I’m glad I was home sick from school today so I didn’t have to listen to her, and I’m afraid I won’t be able to go into her classroom without a huge smile on my face tomorrow morning.
Yay Obama!
Ok, how can Obama be a foreigner if he’s running for president? You HAVE to be an American citizen born on American soil to run for president. I cannot stand people who talk down others so ignorantly, especially someone who’s supposed to be an educated teacher.
It was always extremely uncomfortable being in that class when she discussed politics. She’s obviously very biased. She was talking about the foreigner thing during the brief ’scandal’ about his supposedly forged birth certificate.
Why is a biology/math teacher discussing politics in class anyway? O_o
The most political my bio class got was when we filled out a questionaire about how we felt about learning about the theory evolution.
i don’t know why. she just starts on it right before the bells rings, so you’re kind of trapped in the conversation until the releases you from class. It’s rather irritating.
Well as long as it’s not cutting into the majority of your class-time…XD My chem teacher likes to bullshit a lot about her getting married and stuff, but nothing about politics. She only bullshits though when we have extra time in class. Teachers in my college aren’t allowed to let the students leave early or they’ll get fired for whatever reason.
you need to talk to an administrator about her–maybe not for your sake, but for other & future students who may feel pressured by her. She’s in a good position to brainwash a lot of people, and that is not only unprofessional, but also unethical.
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Talking about politics is ok, if she’s super-careful to be nothing but factual & balanced–or hopelessly vague.
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(from a biased former teacher who’s more interested in teaching kids to think for themselves.)
Speaking as a future teacher, that kind of behavior in the classroom is highly unprofessional. If I were you I would complain to the principal about how uncomfortable her outspoken opinions make you.
It’s the same way at my high school. Just today my advisory teacher went on a tangent about how horrible America was, at the same time telling me things that weren’t true. Please try to get unbiased teachers back in the classroom. We most certainly don’t need educational staff influencing the political mindset of American youth in the classroom.
Wonderful! Somehow my comment got put in completely the wrong place. I meant to reply to the student who was complaining about the inappropriately politics-spouting teacher.
Wow, you’re a pussy. I had a very liberal teacher and we went at it almost everyday. Still passed. Hm, imagine that.
You had a liberal teacher and you still call people pussies? Wow, didn’t learn much, did you?
Biology and Maths – and she was talking about the election WHY?
Your parents are paying taxes for her paycheck. Gloat all you want!
Yay you! Laugh all you want, you’ve earned it – just not enough to make her give you a revenge-detention 8D
He he he. I remember my CogSci professer being just like your teacher. Unlike you, I stood up and verbally shot my professer out of the sky, and called him out for being a racist and xenophobic creep. It was entirely worth it for the reaction, even though I got an F on my next paper, every time he started on Obama, I just stood up and glared at him, and that was quite enough.
Yes, he won by over double the electoral votes, but only by 2.8 million popular (actual) votes. That’s just 52%. Stop dancing already, you’re embarassing yourself.
Also, I’ve come to dislike Biden more than Obama, so when they take out Obama (Oh yes, it will happen. I don’t favor it, but it will happen.), I really don’t want President Biden.
*Sigh*, I just hope that our differences won’t be so radical. I support offshore and Alaskan drilling (no, they don’t drill into the cute lil’ moose’s head first), electric and water vehicles (NOT biodiesel, it’s a big money scam, as is…), NOT global warming, which is a bunch of money-draining lies, Middle Eastern freedom (if we leave, they’ll all go terrorist-government on us), NOT gays (read Leviticus), and pro-middle class.
Being called “the gays” is incorrect and sometimes even offensive… you might want to change that in the future.
Read Leviticus?? For policy guidelines?
Whoopeeee! We can take slaves from our neighboring countries! Should we start with the Canadians, or the Mexicans? Oh, wait……
You don’t eat cheeseburgers, do you? Nor shrimp or crab? I’m sure all your clothes are made of a single fiber, and you agree with killing a child if he back talks, right?
Psh.
Stupid Leviticus.
Mind also that Leviticus only speaks of prison-style buttsex.
Gore won the popular vote in 2000. You were saying?
Just that when a Repub does it the same way (or close to the same way) a Dem does it, there isn’t the foot stomping and crying that there was in the past. The Repubs are told to grow up and get over it, while the Dems are shouting for a recount. Hmmmm. Little disconnect there. And they still accuse Bush of stealing TWO elections, when he got more of the popular vote in 2004 than he did in 2000. Yet, there was the sound of Dems everywhere stamping their feetses.
I haven’t heard Democrats suggesting assassination due to their sour grapes. I know that it isn’t most republicans saying this, but it goes to show that your crazies are a bit more crazy than ours.
Move to Alaska, kthxbai.
Read Leviticus?
Have you ever read:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…
(Pretty sure this is still in the Constitution)
So people who don’t believe in the Bible should still be required by law to follow the teachings found within?
I’m Christian, but I don’t understand the intolerance that people who claim to be “Christian” show to other human beings. People are human, and should be treated as such regardless or race, religion, or sexual orientation.
God loves all of his children.
Religon has no place in government, Americas supposed to protect the peoples diffrences. When talking about gayness and why you don’t support it the bible is not a good reason because this government was made so that religon would not be so influcential as it is.
I don’t care what anyone says. I think Barack Obama won largely because he is black. Did you not see the news segment where crews went out and asked Black Obama supporters if they were voting for Obama because he was “For the war in Iraq or because he is Pro-Life” and NOT ONE OF THEM corrected the news crew that Obama is neither of those things. They don’t even know what Obama stands for just that he is Black. So many people dont KNOW WHAT THEY ARE VOTING FOR! THEY ARE UNINFORMED! THEY VOTED BASED ON THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN! People are going out there doing more harm than good by voting completely blind. Its sad. Personally, I think they are both complete crap but if you’re going to vote do some goddamned research on your candidate first. christ. I am really hoping he is the right choice. I didn’t like either of the candidates though. McCains about ready to croak and Palin’s an airhead. So either way we’re completely and totally screwed.
Okay, so 50% of the nation is black now? Ahem… They are called a MINORITY for a reason. Stop being such a sore loser, Obama for the win!
You don’t have to be black to vote for someone based on their skin color.
Which is why every President we’ve ever had has been a different shade of human. This isn’t our first black President, they’ve all been multiracial.
I’d just like to make a small contribution to this. A lot of *young* *white* voters are also voting because he’s black. It’s historical and new. The young vote has always leaned more left, even if the majority don’t follow politics closely, they just don’t like the old white guy republicans because they’re not popular with the majority of the people they personally look up to, i.e. their friends and celebrities. What made them get out to vote is this historical change.. that a *black* man would be president. I’m around young people a lot where I work, many of them supported Barack, only one, maybe two, actually *followed* the politics of it all.
I do wonder how the results would be if a female or other nationality won. Because Barack didn’t just win because he was black, but he also oozed charisma. Liquid gold practically fell from his mouth.
Also I wonder now that the historical part is over, how many will come *back* to vote in 2012… I’m getting a feeling that a lot will not come back to vote, even if Obama runs again… since the magic is over.
Can’t possibly be because people are terrified for the future because the frigging stock market fell out from under us on the old white men’s watch? Or because we went into an illegal war based on lies and have now killed over 4000 Ameircan troops and God knows how many Iraqis? Or because the old white guys only care about old white voters and the rest of us can go hang? Nah, it’s because he’s black. Well, you only think that because you vote for white guys ’cause they’re white.
as one of the young white voters that JLH is talking about…. i can say that no, your reasons, Dana, aren’t the reason why a lot of my age group voted for Obama. the number of people i talked to who were voting for him because “it’s something new”, “we’ve never had a candidate who actually had a chance at winning who was black”, “well the white guys have had their chance, lets try something else”, “i want to be a part of history” or some other sort of comment like that is mind boggling. yet when i asked them WHY they were voting for obama besides the novelty aspect of it i got blank stares or the canned “well mccain is just too old”. they never once brought up the issues or anything that would prove that they actually paid attention to the election and made an informed decision.
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i can also tell you that because i AM young and white that i received an endless number of calls from obamas campaign. they came to my house several times and i got mailings from them. in all these calls, house visits and mailings they didn’t highlight his policies – they highlighted “change” and him being black (when in reality he’s only HALF black).
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in no way am i saying that all young white voters who voted for obama ONLY voted for the novelty aspect, but out of the close to 100 i talked to, i’d say only 4 or 5 of them had any concept of the issues. and that’s really sad. it’s our civic duty to know who the hell we’re voting for and why we’re voting for them… and in that aspect, a lot of my generation failed miserably.
Claire, Claire, Claire, How Naive are you? You can say the same thing about some supporters of EVERY candidate that’s ever run for public office? How many people voted for Bush simply because he was pro-life without knowing/caring about his stance on other issues? The Christian churches elected him last time on the wrong issues, and that turned out to be a total disaster…
What I am getting at is not a partisan speech, merely that that behavior is not unique among the sheeple in this country.
“Sheeple” is an elitist term, used by people who think they are better than everyone else. When you see someone use the term, ’sheeple,’ run. They are not worth talking to, because they KNOW they are better than you. They KNOW that you can not take care of yourself. They KNOW that you need to be led around like the sheep you are, but THEY want to be the one doing it. They will not listen, they will only berate you for being stupid. Again, when you hear the word ’sheeple,’ run!
You ever play that game they had on the Scion website where you massacre sheeple and collect their blood to customize your ride? it was AWEESSOME
there’s a vid at the link on my name
Well, I admit it: I’m guilty of using “Sheeple” to describe the followers of the neocon nutjobs that pushed so hard for us to get into Iraq. (I didn’t mind Afghanistan, that was the *right* war)
just so you know pro-life and pro-choice are viewpoints on controversial issues, black and white aren’t, but in any case i agree with you voting only on one issue is wrong but i don’t think it is as bad as voting based solely on race
When did being black become an asset to being elected to national office?
I am proud once more to be an American.
So what you’re saying is, up until now you -hated- America and wanted it overrun by Islamofascists?!
(So do I get the job, Mr. Murdoch?)
I am thrilled that this man is now our President-Elect.
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He got the vote of this white woman.
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But I am SO afraid for him! I don’t want to be negative on this
historic night, but the truth is undeniable. No doubt there are
racists gathering already with evil plans.
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Maybe IronMan could loan Barack his suit???
That’s my biggest fear. There have already been two thwarted plans, though one was a bunch of racist potheads with an armory in their garage and another was a pair or skinheads who planned on killing 88 black students then driving at Obama with a truck and firing at him as they did, both plans that wouldn’t have gotten very far anyway, I fear for Obama’s safety.
And on the Ironman thing- That would be so awesome
Why does my spellcheck still say Obama is mispelled? Argh!
This is what the politics of hate and smears gets us! I am sorry if I sound like I’m harping, but this sort of “attack plans” I feel are as a result of the hate filled Rovian tactics that have been used the last few elections. It has done nothing except divide us like has not been seen in a very long time, and whip the crazies up into a homicidal frenzy! Look what you have wrought with this type of tactics! (This is a comment about the crazies, not about Miss Scissors)
I agree completely. The thing that bothers me most about politics has always been the hate and that those campaigning spend a majority of their time and campaign money harping on the opponent and saying nasty things about what their opponent has done and will or will not do instead of saying what they themselves will do to fix the problems. It’s frightening, and has bothered me since I was old enough to understand what politics were.
Yes, there’s always been smearing, but Rove perfected the art. It’s frightfully disgusting. That is what has people ignorantly shouting “terrorist” and “kill him” at rallies, etc. Hopefully we can figure out a way to heal now.
Being fair, the “terrorist!” cries are documented by multiple sources; the “kill him! one is not.
Not saying it didn’t happen, saying it’s not verified.
K, I’ll try to research it, but not tonight. Sleep taking over now. I had a LOOOOOONNNNGGGGG day.
My point is still valid though
Rovian Political strategy needs to go AWAY.
I’ll back that, hoping you’ll back my drive to separate journalism from punditry.
Hear, hear!
A corollary. After reading so many posts suggesting he will be assassinated, and actual gleefulness about it from just the posters here, I am inclined to believe they did indeed shout such things. It’s disgusting.
Well think of it this way: how many people thought Bush was going to be killed? He wasn’t. I’m pretty sure Obama won’t be assassinated, they’ve put up bulletproof glass around his podium tonight though…
it would still be cool to give him and ironman suit. might make it tougher to understand what he’s saying, though…
I really wanna see the LOL that would have gone up if, god forbid, McCain won!!
If you think about it though, You’re really really voting for vice pres this race. Because there are radical Obama haters out there who may try to harm him and McCain’s ready to croak. So who would you prefer? Pres Biden or Pres Palin?
Palin. Hands down. Don’t want the Chia Pet who can’t get a sentence out of his mouth without tripping over his tongue. What happens when he accidentally insults some foreign leader?
After Bush I think it can only get better…
Bush did throw up on someone once…I believe the Japanese ambassador. Really how much worse can you get? XD
That was Bush Sr., but true, all the same.
Bush Sr. also flipped off a bunch of Australians. He thought he was flashing the victory sign, but it was backwards. True story. I saw the video footage on the evening news and about fell over.
I guess flipping them off is better than humping everything with a vagina (a la Clinton)
Biden. He is probably the most qualified of all four of them, especially on foreign policy, and is infinitely more qualified than Palin (and for that matter, Obama in many areas).
[save the chronic foot-in-mouth condition...]
(I’m kidding. His gaffes are Jon Stewert’s job security.)
Biden. As a woman, Palin scares me
Palin scares anyone with half a brain.
He makes “President” look GOOD…
Hah! Get it? MIB reference! get it?… ahh never mind.
Kudos to the US. Not sure what this will mean for us south of the border, but I’m happy anyway. If Obama is as good as we all hope, we in the rest of the world will miss having Bush to make fun of
and now we watch the country go to hell…
No, not because he’s black, it has NOTHING to do with that, and that’s one of the problems…so many people voted for him just because he was a black man, it’s like reverse discrimination…a good number of them didn’t take the time to look into just WHO they were actually voting for.
I fear for this country.
So that’s what Obama haters are playing now? THE RACE CARD!!! OMFG!!! “He won because he is black, and those who voted for him are a bunch of reversed racists”??? You people MUST be kidding.
Nah, never mind. He won, end of story, suck it up.
Thing about playing the race card…
Make sure your opponent doesn’t have a better hand.
Riiiiiigggghhhhttt. And Bill Clinton sealed up his huge percentage of AA votes when he played the sax because it’s a traditional black influenced instrument, not because of his policies.
Blacks always have a huge percentage going to Democrats. Obama may have increased this percentage, but he ALSO did that among whites, and hispanics, etc…
*blinks*
Wow. Ignorance off the charts.
You did get the sarcasm in your drunken state, right herb?
He won because everyone is sick of all the crap that the Bush gave out. How BUSH single handedly chewed up out nations and digested it to a piece of crap. Obama is the man to right our country.
“so many people voted for him just because he was a black man, it’s like reverse discrimination…a good number of them didn’t take the time to look into just WHO they were actually voting for.”
Either you’re a mind reader, or you’re making some awfully unfounded assumptions here.
This has been an amazing, wonderful, historic night. It ends now for me, as it’s nearly 12:30 on the East coast. Party on, my Democratic friends, the future begins tomorrow. For the conservatives, be of good cheer. Everything that’s happening now is for the best. For the throwback racists, well, your time is ended. Evolve, or fall by the wayside.
Goodnight, all!
Good night N8
^_^; Epic win.
Want to know what is really cool? I turned eighteen three days ago. This was my first time voting, and it was a landmark in the nation’s history.
Im so happy to have been a part of this.
Congratulations and thank you!
all the American lemmings must die…
just to be clear i hate both sides of the spectrum this election has thoroughly managed to disgust me. McCain selling his soul to the religious right and Obama playing the race card.
On a side note… i wonder how long it is going to take Obama to be added to spell check…
Just add it yourself.
It’s amazing to me that no white guy who runs is ever accused of playing the race or gender cards. Is whiteness not a race? Is male not a gender? The very notions (usually unarticulated) that “white” and “male” are the default conditions of the human species are racist and sexist to their rotten cores.
If you don’t like race being discussed, quit trying so damn hard to keep it an issue. Ditto for gender. Quit shitting on people of color, and women of any race, and grow the hell up. Then you won’t have to wonder anymore whether anybody is qualified for anything.
Obama has far more experience in government than Shrub did, who was only governor of Texas, which is a bully pulpit position under the Texas constitution, with barely any legal power. The lieutenant governor has more power. If we’re going on qualifications here, Bush had no business in office at all.
Wow you are a narrow minded twat. I’m criticizing the people that voted on both sides who don’t know what the hell they are talking about. I have no doubt in my mind that Obama is going to do what he thinks is right for the country and i truly hope his idea work. Every time i try to criticize both sides on this site i automatically get labeled as a republican when i am morally a democrat but economically a republican for a free market aka I’m a libertarian. Stop assuming because i don’t agree with you i am for the other guy. Believe it or not there is more than two political parties. I’m not shitting on people of color i’m shitting on ignorant people on both sides who don’t vote on issues. I would have posted this comment no matter if Obama won or not it just so happens that he won so everyone automatically assumes i am shitting on him. I can tell you had McCain won i most certainly would have had a different reaction from the left side for my disgust in our two party system.
speaking as someone not from america, i’ve never seen an american process be this important, this talked about, or this…amazing. i live in ireland and most people i know made some effort to stay up and watch the results. there have been debates and discussions and meetings about it even though the vast majority of people in attendance didn’t have a vote. congratulations america for making history, and voting the first president to ever be…well, he’s just COOL!
Oh America. I’m so happy for you.
so.. Comrade Obama has made it to the white-house -.- Oh well, hopefully he won’t mess up our country too much, only so much damage can be done in four years.
Can’t be any worse then McCain could have done. Then we would have been **** up the bum
I doubt that.
I guarantee it
i don’t see how it is possible to guarantee it considering it isn’t going to happen
Exactly, so get off your high horse, Mccain lost, for a reason.
don’t assume that just because i’m bashing your flawed logic that i am for McCain. It makes you look even more ignorant.
Well, whether you are for McCain or not, he was the other choice in the election, and that would probably be why Leah mentioned McCain
Thank you for ALMOST being respectful of the office. If you don’t agree with his policies, fine. Time will tell if it’s for the best. Personally, i am very hopeful that it will be. All the same, I want most to see people get over the hate, fear, suspicion, etc, get behind our leader at least in respect of the office he will hold, and work TOGETHER to move America forward.
Agreed nothing we can do at this point but support him.
I think Bush set a pretty high standard for that.
I’m Happy right now. My first time voting and I voted in the most important election so far. Now we just need to get to work. I’m holding Obama on high standards now.
o.o? why did my post move-…?
You know what? Forget it. I don’t care and I’m too happy.
Way to show your total ignorance of communism vs socialism vs liberal. civics fail.
A sad night for 48% of America, a happy night for 51%, another election where we were forced to choose between two flawed ideologies or not choose at all.
True that.
agreed. thank you someone who understands that the two party system is crap…
I love you, Nathan.
I voted for neither.
YES WE CAN!!!!!
YES WE DID!!
I don’t think he has done anything as president yet unless you are solely referring to the fact that he is African American. the yes we can is about changing America not electing him.
Nice attempt at strawman, there. ‘Yes, we can/yes, we did’ has to do with electing the chosen candidate. We are hopeful that he continues with his plans, but we celebrate a victory. Piss on your own popcorn.
sorry, i admit i was mistaken i will admit my other post was wrong
I have never cried tears of joy for a president, I am proud of you America! So proud, and for once in 8 years, hopeful.
agreed
that speech was so moving
‘.. and those whose vote i did not get, i hear your voices. i need your help, i am your president too’
i bawled. like. this was so perfect. and btw. fuck that girl above that said he won cus he was black. if anything, he didnt win as much of a landslide as he would have if he was white. he won because YES WE CAN!!!
Wow, you truly have golden sportsmanship. Grow up and apologize. For all you know, he could’ve won because he was black.
I think it was just Gods will
You know what, we’re on opposite sides of the fence here, but I completely agree with that statement about it being God’s Will. And I can deal with that.
It wasn’t God’s will, it was the people’s will. Even if I were to take this from a religious perspective; God gave free will, did he not? So it was the will of the people in that democratic republic of yours that got Obama elected.
Aren’t you the one arguing with me a few LOLs ago about how we can’t possibly have free will if God already knows what’s going to happen???????? hehehe.
Oh yes, but I was taking this from what I would have thought would be any reasonable religious person’s perspective, rather than from my own non-relgious (but still reasonable) perspective.
I thought that was me.
I hold that view also, and I have argued it on PK in the past.
I could have sworn it was me, twas my name in the text and even debated with ema a bit before I poofed for a bit.
Can’t argue with that. But still, God knows what’s best.
Canada seems like a nice place right around now. At least they don’t have a president who’s going to tax the hell out of people in a depression. Plus I’m sure their PM is more respectful towards life, but I wouldn’t know for sure.
What I don’t understand is the American mind. Right now we have a Democratic House, and a split Senate. We all know where this has gotten us in the past few years. Now America decides to vote in more Democrats into the House and shift the Senate in Democratic favor as well. Why on God’s green earth would this seem like a logical way of getting out of this mess? Plus, elect a Democratic president and now Congress will have an almost free reign with a country they’ve already driven into the ground (I say almost because they were prevented from having automatic filibuster privilages- thank God).
if you make over $250,000 you can afford to be taxed. Listen to his plans and then think about your verbal diarrhea before you spit it out..
Clearly this is a troll, based on the name. I’m don’t even want to begin to give the details yet again, about how the deregulation that started this mess started way back under Reagan and was given further catalyst under the first Bush W term. Research on the state of the union 2001 yields info on expanding home loans being a good idea under bush. The last 18months had little to do with the crises that have beset us. These things just can’t happen overnight. It should be a no-brainer.
How am I a troll? Because I have different beliefs then you?
You should really learn to bow down gracefully. The country has made their decision.
Its a good thing America finally took the step in the right direction.
She was talking about the dingbat using the name Barack Osama. THAT’S the troll, not you
Wow, my bad. My apologies.
I am a woman and I was wrong. haha
Easy there! You don’t have to admit it that fast! Just stew on it a little while and make them THINK you were right
Oddly enough, that never works with me. I just end up getting very mad.
Yep, definitely meant Barak Osama , not Leah.
Most small business take in that much or more. The increase for a company making 250,000 would be 7,500 a year. For a struggling company that could very well be just what puts them out of business. You still agree that he is going to raise taxes on some portion of the population and his friends in Congress will have no problem with passing that kind of bill. They’ll probably use the extra tax money to send AIG on another comfy retreat. We all know where Democratic spending leads us (if not, you’ve been living under a rock), so I’m still amazed at how many Americans seem to agree with them.
(5 percent of small businesses DO NOT make that kind of money. Hence they are called “small” usiness. You get to be that size, you aren’t really small anymore. that is a fallacy.
excuse me, shift malfunction. 95% ( no it was not a freudian slip, before the trolls attack)
They take in that much, sure, but very very few make that much in profit, which is what you are taxed on.
Democratic spending??? Under Clinton, we wound up with a budgetary SURPLUS. Under Bush… God, don’t get me started, I’m old enough to remember Reagan. I’d love to know what these “most small business(es)” are that make over $250k a year; in any case, if you can’t run a tight ship then you deserve to go under. We’re in trouble precisely because so many mismanaged businesses have been allowed to survive and drag America down with them.
You want to live in a free, First World country with a high standard of living? Foot the damn bill. You benefit from your own taxes anyway, just like any other citizen does. Better “tax and spend” than “borrow and spend.” At least when it’s taxes it’s Americans paying most of it, rather than issuing more bonds for the Chinese to buy and put us into even more debt slavery to them. YOU SUPPORT THAT SHIT. Are you proud of yourself?
It’s very dangerous to assume that if someone makes a certain amount of money “they can afford” higher taxes. Without considering their situation and their outflow of money you simply can’t decide that. There are families with 7 or more kids. There are people with special needs and ailments. Their family may have 250k+ coming in, but if they’re spending that much or more just surviving and making ends meet, they’re just as poor as the person making minimum wage at McDonalds or wherever. And if the person making minimum wage lives with their parents or doesn’t have rent/bills/etc for one reason or another, they may actually be far better off than the family making 250k+. It’s class envy and it’s just as bad as, say, statistics taken out of context.
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Just wanted to make that point. I haven’t read the thread really so any other points out there I’m not commenting on. Just was scrolling down and the “afford to be taxed” caught my eye.
You get deductions per person in your household. Where do you come up with this crap?
You don’t get deductions per ailment. Get the stick out of your butt and try thinking sometime. Just because a person has a high income doesn’t mean their money out isn’t also high.
And if you honestly believe the amount of deduction you get for a child adequately covers the cost of having said child, you must be single.
Maybe you shouldn’t have 7 friggin kids until you can afford to take care of all of them????? There are these magical things these days called “condoms” and “vasectomies” that do wonders for reducing the amount of children you create.
Playing Monday Morning Quarterback doesn’t help people with children already. And I’m not saying I’m one of them. I’m just saying the situation exists and it’s stupid to pretend it doesn’t.
you know they’ve been taxing people for years in other countries they’ve got these things called “allowances” for how many kids you have, if you suffer from long term illness and so on.
The argument gets silly if you start trying to contend that someone earning $4 million a year needs less tax. When it gets to the point that your income could easily half and not effect your standard of living then really you can afford to pay more tax.
And tax is not a bad thing, you get it back with like cops and education and roads and defense and being able to take your kid to the hospital without having to worry if your bullshit insurance company has F8cked you over in the small print.
Maybe you didn’t notice him slipping the bar from 250k to 120k in the last few days.
Aww…. Somebody doesn’t feel the magic… I hope you feel it soon ^_^
I view things on an Eastern view of cyclical rise and fall. To cut it short – it’s the Democrat’s time to get their agenda and plans passed and in action, as well as for them to mess up and do unpopular things as each party inevitably does.
While I prefer a more bi-partisan body, I personally just think it’s making up for the past 8 years
Correction, ass – the Dems now hold the Presidency, and a majority in both Senate and the House. Buckle up and shut up – or organize in some intelligent, peaceful, and legitimate fashion to bring about the changes you and others who agree with you see fit.
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Thanks
Ride that waaaahmbulance all the way to Alaska, troll.
This election was a joke. It showed total bias on the part of the American People.
Ugh. I agree with you partly, there.
I mean, he won fair-and-square (as far as we know), but I mean you can’t make an honest decision for who you want for President if you don’t know anything about the candidate you’re voting for.
Bias on the part of the American people? Isn’t that the point of having an election? to find out what the people’s bias is? Maybe Paul, you’re against having elections?
*sigh*
Let him wallow in his fail of a comment until he gets it.
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.. Perhaps he’d prefer if some water tart laying about in a pool distributing swords chose the fate of our nation…..
Monty Python reference WIN!
Rofl…. HELP! HELP! I’m being oppressed!
he is referring to the fact that a large portion of the American population on both sides were not educated to the extent to be allowed to vote. quite frankly the fact that anyone can fill out a voter registration and go vote on decisions that affect me and is required to have no knowledge of the issues at hand is allowed to vote simply blows my mind.
Yes, we strive for an informed electorate. This year, I think many more people were informed than we had in past years. More were paying attention, which is why we got such high voter turnouts. Maybe it’s for good or ill, but testing people about awareness before being allowed to vote would be like censorship and would mean that elections weren’t truly democratic. I’m sure other countries have their informed vs. only slightly aware voters as well. You take the good with the bad in the name of democracy. I think though, as I said, more people WERE paying attention.
Sorry Minerva i just simply can’t agree with you this time. I really don’t think some people should be allowed to vote. You can call me unamerican or whatever you like. All i know is one person who votes and does not understand both sides is one too many in a democracy. BTW thanks for responding i always find your comments interesting.
I’ve always liked the idea of a competency test for registration, but to make voting required (maybe through a tax credit) and offering the day off from work.
Well Australia has the last two covered to some degree. Voting is compulsory else have a chance of being caught and given a $50 fine. And voting is always on a Saturday, which many people get off work.
In theory it’s a sound concept. The problem with it is that elections are run on state and county levels. I think that sort of thing would lead to even more caging than we have now. “You’re democrat/republican/pink with purple polka dots/FSM follower?” Sorry, you didn’t score high enough on the test. There’s no way to enforce this without bias. There would just be too many different standards used and too many rejected for one reason but saying it was really for another. In America, we have the right to remain blithering idiots and still vote. Does that mean I want the fate of my nation decided by idiots? NO!. All we can do is strive to keep people informed (yes, with news, not just punditry, herb) and hope they will make their decision to vote or not vote based on what they know. You have to extend the right to vote to all citizens of voting age, like it or not. The founding fathers knew this. it’s one of the reasons we have a representative republic. The average person may not be capable of governing, but they can chose who they want to govern them.
The best thing to do is continue to keep people engaged in the process, like they were this year. We had the highest voter turnouts because people were interested in participating, and a good share of those were paying attention to issues. Keeping people interested in staying informed, practicing their one chance of involvement in government, is the best way to go. How we get there is the issue. The founding fathers wanted an informed electorate, not restrictions on voting.
Yeah, and once upon a time Southern people weren’t allowed to vote unless they took a literacy test at the polls. The poll workers had a special newspaper to use to test the black folks. It was a Chinese newspaper.
The trouble with expecting a certain level of “education” in order to hold the franchise is that someone from the opposing political party gets to decide whether I meet that standard. And the whole notion of “education” in America has become a cruel joke anyway and I blame anyone who is for any sort of schooling, public or private, and who is OK with corporations controlling public discourse, things of which BOTH parties are resoundingly guilty.
Actually, I was making a joke, interested to see if anyone would take my comment seriously.
that’s their responsibility. I made it my business to study everything I could for the last 5 months on both candidates. I came out Obama, all the way. For the first time EVAR, I don’t mind people being biased.
EPIC WIN by default. But still epic win.
Are you an idiot?
OF COURSE IT SHOWS THE BIAS OF THE PEOPLE!!! It is an election, thus whomever has the most support of the most people wins. So yes, total bias as in votes as in election.
What did you think would happen? They come to your door and you have make our decisions for us? No, people voted, action was taken, he was elected… So yes, bias… Which is the whole point of an election… Ow, you just gave me a headache with how much obvious you pointed out.
“Are you an idiot?”
No, I was making a joke. I did it to see how many people would take me seriously.
Congratulations, sir or madam, you failed.
Ah, the I was kidding defense… How quaint. Congratulations, you managed to troll and irritate people who are used to dealing with trolls constantly.
So the test to see if you can blend in with trolls was successful. Your family must be so proud.
Sorry your clever wit can’t be met with proper inflection since it is text thus cannot show if you are mentally incompetent or just making a flat joke.
You could have assumed mental incompetnce, or you could have assumed joke. You could have just not assumed anything. You assumed mental incompetence. and typed ALL IN CAPS.
Hence the fail.
Actually I used a shift key and you lack the definition of the word all. I only saw one sentence. You aren’t doing a good job of convincing me otherwise.
As for assuming joke, I usually assume that if it was funny. I assumed mental incompetence and so far it seems to stand as you think one sentence of capitalization means all in caps. If you mean otherwise, then your ability to clarify is lacking.
Well, congratulations Obama. I know I most certainly was not vying for you, but I know how to be a good sport when I’m beat. Best luck as president, because you’ll most certainly need it.
Just please don’t mess up. ;D
Thanks for being gracious and respecting the office. I’d have done the same for McCain, and I do admire his concession speech. More of that during the campaign would have made it a tougher race.
Thank you, I respect that alot.
*handshake*
Agreed and agreed. McCain’s concession speech made me respect him way more than I had throughout this entire race – check my link for a LOL bout it.
Unfortunately for him, that was the best speech of his entire campaign. Of course, this was mostly because he was able to speak for himself rather than pandering to the more right0wing members of his party.
That could be a big part of it!
I KNEW YOU COULD DO IT!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOHOOOOOOOO!!! I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s a good thing!
Bummer.
Anyone know Alan Keyes?
may be available in black, but it won’t be for long since somebody is gonna shoot his ass
They need to add that to the blog Stuff White People Like: Killing important black leaders.
umm… its not white people saying that. the place i work at is 80% black and theyre all wondering if he’s gonna make it to january 20, or how much rioting there will be now that he’s elected.
Not all white people enjoy killing black leaders.
Now paging the Secret Service…
C-C-C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! (Click name)
Congratulations from the UK America. USA! USA!
America, not just for the ground breaking decision to elect a non-white President, but for him being the better candidate who got into the White House on his own merit and for giving a final judgement on 8 years of Republican misrule, as well as an appalling campaign, completely devoid of morals, this time round by the GOP – spearheaded by someone I previously had a lot of respect for
Hurray! I’m a Brit living in Canada but I am so relieved!
Also re: assassinations… STFU.
Good for America! I’m a US citizen in school in the UK and couldn’t be more euphoric! McCain had a great run, and was so gracious at the end. I am overjoyed for President-elect Obama!!!!
Obama was an Atheist until he got into politics. His political adviser told him that to get into chicago politics, particularly black chicago politics, he would have to at least SAY he believed in god.
He’s pro-gay, pro-abortion, a closet atheist, and he is really intelligent..
THIS GUY IS GREAT!!
Now if we could all tackle the big issue.. How to give this land back to the natives that it was taken from…
A closest muslim, the closest anti-christ, a closet member of a radical black racist Church, a closest atheist… Obama’s got one huge closet, and that’s just for all his religions!
Also, although in my opinion all of the things you mentioned are indeed great, obvious troll is painfully obvious.
I thought it was funny when obama mentioned calloused hands in his acceptance speech when you know that his hands are soft like a woman and he has never done enough manual labor in his life to build up any callouses.
A. Seeking to emasculate him already?
B. Maybe he has callouses or maybe not. In either case, I am certain this was a metaphor for working America.
Ceefax, let’s get something straight.
It IS true that Obama was a self-declared atheist up until he got into politics.
The other things you mentioned are NOT true.
1. There is no such thing as an anti-christ, therefore he could NOT be a closet anti-christ.
2. He is NOT a closet-muslim because he is an ATHEIST. Or at least he WAS. I think it’s much more likely that he is a closet atheist then a closet moslem.
And I meant what I said.. It IS great that he is all the things I mentioned. Except for being a closet-atheist. He should be able to come out all the way and just tell people that he doesn’t believe in any gods or goddesses but he would never get elected.
In fact, it’s much more likely to have a black president or a woman president than it is to have an out-of-the-closet atheist president.
I highly doubt we will see that in our lifetime.
And the thing about Obama having soft hands.. C’mon, you know that’s true. That guy has never built up callouses on his hands.
If he was a self-declared atheist then you’ll have no problem citing his quotes declaring himself an atheist then, will you.
Barely coherent sentences and no references. No point in wasting much time with a troll.
It is my honest opinion that Palin should have had an abortion when she new that the fetus was mentally retarded. I think it is cruel to have a baby like that.
That is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Cry some more, little wench. It won’t change the outcome!
oops! Disregard, that was meant to go elsewhere!!
I was wondering what point you were trying to drive home… now Im just laughing
at the situational irony of it.
froofrou, why should I be ashamed of myself. Sarah Palin should be ashamed of herself for manufacturing an obviously disgusting and disturbing child.. A child that cannot think or act for itself and looks like a pile of disgusting goo.
We should all be ashamed of these mentally retarded fetuses. Why should they be allowed to survive? Are they pets? Even pets have better motor control then Palin’s “child”. That thing should have been flushed down into the sewers with the rest of the human waste because that is what her baby is – a stinking piece of human waste.
So if I think you are a disgusting waste of human flesh, is it then ok for me to destroy you while you sleep? If you have a lower IQ than I do (which is obvious), is it then ok for me to ‘flush you down into the sewers with the rest of human waste’? If you don’t perform a function as well as I do, is it then ok to refer to you as a ’stinkin piece of human waste’?
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I’m not even sure why I’m bothering to answer you. You’re an obvious troll trying to get flames to feed your unnatural desire for attention.
Troll alarms should have started ringing when “Sarah” started talking about giving the US back to Native Americas now Obama is elected. In fact if I was a betting man I’d say “Sarah” is The Poster Formally Known As “Obama”, post-op.
Hehehe. Probably.
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Roffles.
LOL, hilarious.
Sometimes you pay a little more tax but get free healthcare, education for your kids, better police and security and stuff, in magical far off places like Europe.
In the US governments have a habit of handing all your taxes to their super rich friends on the auspices of fighting a war or “stabilising” the economy.
Seriously though they’re not always a bad thing.
Free healthcare isn’t free if taxes are paying for it. Nothing is free but if you want more taxes coming out of your paycheck (if any) to pay for some lazy ass who doesn’t want to work and pay for their own well being, be my guest.
I live in a country with universal health care and I couldn’t be happier with it – even the most right wing parties over here have to run on supporting universal healthcare to the hilt because to even imply otherwise would be political suicide.
Having people too ill to work because they cannot afford healthcare is not sound economic sense.
See god forbid the people who can afford it pay a little more and can actually participate in a just society rather than walling themselves in in private communities, and paying private security guards to shoot any poor people who come too close.
What goes around comes around. A fair society benefits everyone.
Strawman argument much? The overwhelming majority of taxes here don’t go to “some lazy ass who doesn’t want to work”, they go to CEOs of companies like Enron and Halliburton…
Oh, wait…
I love how these folks always just leave the middle class out of the equation altogether. It’s always either wealthy or welfare. There are tons of people who work very hard and still don’t get healthcare from their employers or afford to purchase it. The middle class is inconvenient to their talking points, so in spite of being the foundation of the economy, they’re irrelevant.
Yeah which is why a moderate tax rise to fund universal healthcare would actually leave the middle classes much better off. Noone in the middle classes can afford private healthcare insurance at a standard that won’t leave them fearing financial ruin if a smear comes back with a recall.
A govt, acting in the best interests of it’s people can turn your dollars into a fit-for-purpose healthcare system with a much better return on investment than any private agency will ever or can ever achieve.
It’s not a given that the middle classes will suffer from increased government spending on things that everyone will benefit from.
And anyway for example in the UK the majority of the healthcare budget comes directly from sales tax on alcohol and tobacco, not from income taxes. Add gun sales in there for the US and you have a massive pot to draw on before anyone even looks at their payslip.
Indeed, let addictions pay for it. I rather like that.
I’m OK with that. I once worked with a man (who’s now a rabbi) who said we should legalize illicit drugs (not just pot) and tax the heck out of them, regulating their use in effect. Not only would you have the savings from not fighting the war on drugs, you’d have a surplus coming in from all the added tax revenue. He was still for educating kids about risks, etc, but figured adults should be able to decide for themselves how they want to live.
I don’t know that I agree with him all the way up to heroin, etc, which is what he said (everything legal), but it’s sort of a good idea. That way people are more accountable. They would still be arrested for driving or operating heavy equipment while under influence or could be fired for being high on the job.
It’s an interesting concept in theory. Although it would destabilize the Funyons industry for a while probably.
I am for education and letting people making their own beds to lay in. The extra revenue would be nice too.
Prepare to share your wealth Obama voters. Someone’s gotta pay for welfare
After 8 years of Bush a lot of people are going to need it before it’s all over!
I repeat my last post Re: middle class.
OOH! Boogity boogity boogity! The big scary black guy is going to take all the nice Ward & June whitefolks’ money and give it to other black people on welfare so they can… Um… be even more black, or something… instead of doing something constructive with it like bankrupting the economy to pay for an unneccessary war or bailing out billionaires!
Be afraid! Be very afraid!
Better the poor get money than the lazy CEOs.
More than happy to. I’m successful, I don’t feel threatened by the less fortunate. I like paying taxes. They buy me civilization. I like sharing, it just proves what a success I am. People who don’t want to share are weak and cowardly, but I forgive them.
My 10th grade history teacher one said to the class, ‘there will be a black man as president before a woman is president.’
You were right Mr. Stein.
Woo! It’s President ‘That One.’
What happens if this guy doesn’t live up to his promises? He’s a politician, he’s a lawyer, and for some reason people cry when he speaks. Put two and two together.
Five (for large values of two or small values of five).
Well, we can only take a politician at their word which is an oxymoronic statement if I ever heard one. However, it would be no different a statement if McCain was elected. Either way, we are counting on somebody to do what they say.
Yes we can! We’ll togeteher make changes, Obama !
did all of you vote for him cause he was black. or because he was the best man? i bet 50% of you voted because he was black. like a vast majority of african american did. i am not pro macain either. i just didnt fall for the bullshit “change platform” every politician since washington campaigns on “change” so good luck electing a president based soley on color. and you know damn well that was the only reason.
I voted on the issues. Sorry to disappoint. Wow, the sour grapes won’t even make for good vinegar with all this repetition.
Actually, I stopped seeing him as a black man a while ago, I see him as a man. And one who’s solutions to the problems I believe in. That’s why I voted for him.
How many people voted for McCain because he was white?
EXACTLY, Ceefax. Niice.
He’s black? Damn I thought he was an arab bent on the destruction of western values and freedom. Last time I get my info from Fox!
Half-black, actually. Not that anyone really cares.
Not really, that sort of racial definition and classification thankfully went out with the victorians.
No, he’s half black. If he’s not, what is he? Near as I can tell he had two parents and only one was black. If you have two and you take a way one, that leaves one, which is half of two. If you’d like, I can send you an e-mail with the problem worked out.
Hows about it’s like his dad was african and his mom was european american, and his skin colour and features reflect both aspects of his heritage.
Or maybe you’d prefer Mullato?
Niice!
Even though I am still too young to vote (will be registered in three years) I am so glad that Obama got elected.
It makes me feel very proud to know that the world that my parents and their parents lived in is now history.
Obama, I will be voting for you in the 2012 election, as a newly registered voter.
WOOOHOOOO OBAMA O8 BABY!!!!!!!…….FINALLLY BACK TO BEING DEMOCRATIC………IV NEVER BEEN THIS HAPPY IN POLITICS IN MY LIFE………………………………………
LOOK AT THE CROWD FOR OBAMA:MIXED OF DIFFRENT RACES
LOOK AT THE CROWED FOR MCAIN:ONE RACE
Barack Obama is just as much WHITE as he is black, therefore instead of calling him “The first African American President” call him what he is mixed or how about we call everyone who is an AMERICAN CITIZEN (including the president) an….. AMERICAN (without adding anything to it!)
Well, hope you enjoy higher taxes, higher energy prices, gas shortages, terrorist attacks, squelching of free speech, confiscation of guns, loss of jobs, inflation, and the like, cuz baby we’re headed for it. Obama’s policies are Herbert Hoover + Jimmy Carter. I weep for our nation.
Even if everything you just said was true,
Barack’s Policies>Bush’s Policies.
We can only get better from here.
Also, EPIC WIN for Barack.
…..uhhh…..Everyone knows he’s not completely black, right? Why can’t we just say “The first Bi-racial President” instead of “Black President”?
Or we could do what Court said in his (her?) comment. Do the knowledge.
Or like my Marching Band Director used to say: Do The Math!
Does it matter?
I’m sure there were some people who voted for Obama solely based on his race, but I can guarantee you there were plenty of people who voted for McCain based on his race. We are so quick to judge racial issues in this election against any black people, but we apparently forgot about all of the racist bigots who still belong to the KKK. Let’s not deny the fact that there are still many white supremacists living in this country. Whether you hear about them anymore or not, they are still there.
Sure SOME people voted for Obama because he’s half-black, but I really doubt that more than half the country voted for him just because of that.
If you want to talk about people voting with no knowledge of the candidates, don’t make arguments based on only Obama and his race. There are plenty of people who voted for McCain solely because he is a republican. I’m sure there are also people who voted for Obama just because he is a democrat.
The fact is, many people in this country are uneducated about the candidates, and this doesn’t happen only with young people. I’m sure there are plenty of adults who voted on a whim and knew little to nothing about either candidate.
As a country, we need to remember what America is supposed to stand for and embrace our new President-Elect, whether or not we all voted for him. We cannot move forward as a country if we can’t stand together.
I HAD FINISHED MASTURBATING WHEN I SAW RESULTS. I CAME ON THE TV STILL RUBBING MY CLIT ADN STARTED CRYING RUBBING MY BRESTS ON THE TV I WAS TEARING CRY
I am mildly aroused and disturbed at the same time.
damn i thought i would read all the comments:D impossible. but joyful tears in my eyes too ,though i’m REALLY far, in estonia. it’s a celebration, bitcheeess!
That’s kinda raciest.
Man, i skipped my classes on the wendsday and thursday after Obama was elected.
Cause i was so excited!
It’s official!