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This is what really did for McCain/Palin – Obama is actually doing what Bush promised and failed to do, uniting Americans. The GOP is running a divisive campaign with an ‘Us and Them’ mentality – only the guys at the RNC are real americans, only registered republicans are real patriots etc. And they wonder why people don’t want a divided America at a time like this…
Wait…four or five lols ago, there was a picture of rednecks supporting McCain, which was openly mocked by liberals. Here’s a picture of a redneck supporting Obama and all of a sudden its all flowers and happy cakes. *sniff sniff* I smell double standards.
Philip Shade
October 23rd, 2008 at 8:56 am
He’s breaking a stereotype, the ladies are living down to a stereotype.
Why were they living down to a stereotype? Because they couldn’t spell? Because they were displaying a Confederate flag as this man clearly is? Or was it because they were not supporting Obama?
Because they were ignorant and filled with hate.
Wow, that’s douchebag-tastic. Who are you to judge what’s in someone’s heart? Why is it not OK to judge anyone unless liberals don’t like them? If you judge a child molester, you’re a bad person, but if you say Obama’s a socialist, somehow you’re a racist. If you say he’s a liar, you’re filled with hate. You know what I hate? People who presume to throw labels like that around in order to shut up people they disagree with. People like that sicken me.
No one cares.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO Robert! It’s not just the liar part…which even
Fox announced that McCain lied several times over and over again.
It is the he’s a terrorist, kill him, Negra, and many other hate terms
that are used to refer to this intelligent, capable, and Christian man!
Duhhhhhhh!
if you are going to use some outside source to prove a point, a biased network is a poor choice. the media is not about telling the truth they are really just bashing McCain and support Obama, like in every election or even just news stories. i would find it difficult to belive that Obama or McCain are honest about much of anything, they are both just politians and that is all politians do is lie to get a vote and then raise taxes anyways.
if you are going to use some outside source to prove a point, a biased network is a poor choice. the media is not about telling the truth they are really just bashing McCain and support Obama, like in every election or even just news stories. i would find it difficult to belive that Obama or McCain are honest about much of anything, they are both just politians and that is all politians do is lie to get a vote and then raise taxes anyways.
Like calling someone a terrorist? Or a socialist? You’re right, labeling people is sickening.
Man, you Americans really have something about the whole helping poor people thing…
P-P-P-PATRIOT Act, bitch. Let bin Laden have his say.
I am not saying I agree with the stereotype. I guess a better way to say it was that they were traditionally demonstrating the stereotype. That is, that “rednecks” are all illiterate etc. etc. This guy, agree with him or not, is breaking the traditional pattern. One fits the pattern, one does not. Right or wrong, that is why people are reacting differently to one vs. the other. Plus, if the picture truly lives up to everything people read into it, the man might be quite brave for standing up for his beliefs amidst a sea of tose who might ridicule him for it. (and yes, that is reading into it too. I’m just saying that’s why there are different perceptions of [possibly] similar people.
The ladies were objects of derision because of the Confederate flag, he is not, because he supports Obama. So, he gets an invite to the “diversity” party and the ladies do not.
I was never talking about the flag in this instance. I was strictly talking about the “redneck” part of it. I have an opinion about the flag, that applies whenever someone uses it (anyone, not just the ladies) but I can temper it with a grain of salt, as I know most people really don’t remember the history of it. That wasn’t at all what I was getting at.
No, the “ladies” were objects of derision because they didn’t take time from their hate parade to learn how to spell.
Do you people ever TRY to think?
Redneck women + Confederate flag + bad spelling + McCain poster = typical ignorant backwoods Republicans.
Redneck man + Confederate flag + nobody knows his spelling ability because he has no handwritten signs + Obama poster = NOT typical backwoods person.
There is no double standard here. The underlying message is, “Hey look, even a guy with all the trappings of a racist is supporting Obama. Wow!”
The equivalent on the GOP side might be a bunch of black people holding up a McCain sign. Get it?
why so serious
Because the folks in the previous lols had multiple spelling errors, making them
look rather simple. Id have gloated just the same had it been Obama
supporters. There are just very few around. And if Im wrong, please link
them here. Im an equal opportunity grammar/spelling basher. So Id love
to see them.
We don’t know if this guy can spell or not!
He was smart enough not to “give us that ammo” as Palin puts it
I believe the flag was what the comment is reffering too…
There are multiple reasons to fly a Confederate Flag. Some people just see it as a sign of the south, not just slavery. Chances are, when you’re endorsing a black candidate, you’re not flying it because you hate black people. Chances are, when you have hateful signs aimed at a black candidate right next to your confederate flag, you are flying it because you hate black people.
If Obama signs are being stolen and replaced with Confederate flags I think that sends a certain message, and it ain’t heritage.
Wow, you Obama supporters are rabid. First it’s racist to want Hillary to get the nomination, now “hateful signs aimed at a black candidate next to your confederate flag” means “Obama signs stolen and replaced with Confederate flags.” Jesus. I hope you channel that energy into something useful like, say, stopping the bullet if Obama wins and some jerk shoots at him. Cause I sure am tired of seeing the misfires.
Lynn has a point, you know. I used to own a Confederate flag (cheap plastic kid’s toy) just because I’m a Southerner and it’s something they do. I was a kid and didn’t know the race associations yet; I don’t bother with them anymore out of respect for the hard feelings some have about that symbol. But non-Southern people are so fired up to keep grinding the South down, well over 100 years after the war ended. If it isn’t equating the idea of states’ rights with racism, it’s calling us “dead weight” and making classist jokes about how backwards we are and so on. What are you afraid of, is all I’d like to know.
After living there for 6 years, I saw massive racism in the form of social stratification- white pp have money, black pp did the lawns and maid/janitorial work, brown pp did construction and grocery clerk work. If there were exceptions they were rare, it was disturbing- and in a college town of over 100 pp. I saw massive sexism, misogyny, bigotry, and ignorance displayed DAILY, and PROUDLY. When a group of pp are PROUD to be white trash (redneck or not), I look down on them. I was raised poor, lower working class in the mid west- and my wonderful grandmother used to say- you are never to poor to buy soap or speak properly. After 6 years in this environment I fell very justified in judging the south as ignorant, when those from there represent these same behaviors. However, I will be the first (ok probably third or forth) to acknowledge that their are MANY wonderful, intelligent, educated southerners- and I have several who are dear friends, and they are republicans, no less. But the reality is that many southerners- and frankly many Americans have follwoed suit for about 10-12 years,
After living there for 6 years, I saw massive racism in the form of social stratification- white pp have money, black pp did the lawns and maid/janitorial work, brown pp did construction and grocery clerk work. In the form of white trash (I refuse to use the term redneck- rednecks are not always trash) dragging a black man to death for fun, etc. If there were exceptions they were rare, it was disturbing- and in a college town of over 100 pp. I saw massive sexism, misogyny, bigotry, and ignorance displayed DAILY, and PROUDLY. When a group of pp are PROUD to be white trash (redneck or not), I look down on them. I was raised poor, lower working class in the mid west- and my wonderful grandmother used to say- you are never to poor to buy soap or speak properly. After 6 years in this environment I feel very justified in judging the south as ignorant, when those from there represent these same behaviors. However, I will be the first (ok probably third or forth) to acknowledge that their are MANY wonderful, intelligent, educated southerners- and I have several who are dear friends, and they are republicans, no less. But the reality is that many southerners- and frankly many Americans have followed suit for about 10-12 years, seem to WANT to be white trash- my brother is a great example- he LIKES acting like trash- he was not raised that way, but somewhere along the line many folks started thinking that this was “cool”. And then we elected Bush who seems to have the same opinion and he just perpetuated it. Acting like trash is not cool. Many of the rest of us are tired of having our amazing, bright, GREAT country having a public face of white trash- so sorry if now we are all hard on southerners who started it. Not all of you deserve it- but it is one bias that I have had confirmed- I do try to step back and not to be a bigot myself just because someone speaks with a southern accent- but when they speak with a southern accent and are homophobic misogynistic racist white trash- well I am going to judge, and add to my confirmation bias that southerners are, as a whole (not homogeneously) trash. And so are a lot of other pp- you want it to stop- take a little pride AS A GROUP, in who you really are- not in acting like trash.
I fail to see how your experience of living in a small southern college town of one hundred people justifies your prejudice against the remaining millions who live in the South. I also fail to see any proof other than your simply saying so that Southerners are responsible for the negative opinions and hard feelings the rest of the world have toward the US. The “massive sexism, misogyny, bigotry, and ignorance” you witnessed in that tiny town of one hundred people exists everywhere. Yes, everywhere – even in large urban areas such as NYC. I am from the South. I am also married to a man of a different race and we continually encounter more opposition there than we ever do in the South. You also imply that it is mostly Southerners who are homophobic. If that is true then how do you explain California (a state supposedly composed primarily of liberals) of having failed to stop Proposition 8? I suggest you look inward to understand the real reasons for your own bigotry and hate towards Southerners rather than blame those from whom you desperately strive to disassociate yourself.
No, you moron. There are stories of Obama signs being stolen and replaced with confederate flags. Look it up and then try to explain how those flags are not sending a racist message but OMG HERITAGE instead. lol.
*sniff sniff* I smell double standards.
More like your own Repig stink.
This picture shows one thing only:
Not everyone that owns a Confederate flag is a cross burning racist. And as far as “Us vs Them” Mentality, what exactly do you think is the redistribution of wealth? It’s class warfare.
America is divided, and will always be divided in some way or another, that’s what happens when you have a lot of diversity, it’s a natural byproduct. The challenge is not to eliminate the divisions, it’s to figure out what everyone can agree on.
Good luck on that one.
Very few people who own confederate flags are cross burning racists. That’s a tactic the Demagogue party uses to keep blacks voting for them even though they have done nothing but hurt them since the 60′s, when they had to be dragged kicking and screaming into voting for civil rights legislation. How they managed to get the “tolerance, caring for the little guy” label I’ll never know, especially with Robert “KKK” Byrd running around acting crazy and using racial slurs.
lol trying to make a wrong a right. Just like a Obama supporter….You can keep the redneck racist
Obama is not a uniter. And Bush tried to be the nice guy, let Ted Kennedy write the education bill, passed a huge expansion of medicare, etc. All that happened was he was vilified because Democrats refused to accept that they lost.
The old ladies who couldn’t spell were bad. But this is ok?
Can’t see any spelling mistakes or this guy throwing around words like socialist, terrorist, arabs, screaming about killing people… No, I don’t have a problem with this guy, do you?
Confederate flag? That was the main problem with the ladies against Obama. It’s suddenly not an issue now?
No, because democrats are allowed to have that, and it’s understood that, with them, it’s about heritage, not racism, whereas, anybody supporting Republicans with that flag, it would clearly be racially motivated. Kinda like how there are certain words that a black person can use to describe another black person, but if a white person uses that word, they may be shot on sight.
The sad truth is that isms may drive my vote against Obama, but it’s not racism. It’s socialism.
And I’d love to see just one anti-democrat or pro-republican image make it to this page. WTF’s up with the bias?
For a guy named Jack Mehoff you’re surprisingly articulate.
The reason there’s no anti-democrat humour going on here is that COMEDY has a liberal bias.
Bravo, Jury!
‘Struth. I have yet to find a comedic conservativewho does anything more than redneck jokes – all of which are stale.
“And I’d love to see just one anti-Democrat or pro-Republican image make it to this page. WTF’s up with the bais?”
It’s called Democracy. Evidently, the majority of the people don’t want what you want. That happened to many of us in 2000 and 2004. Hopefully you will have a chance to develop that understanding SOON.
There is no democracy on this site, it has been discussed over and over again. These lols are put up by admins who take the number of votes into account, they do censor the ones they don’t like and they obviously have a bias. We have seen duplicate lols go up that make a statement together, what are the chances of that happening, twice?
While voting, I simply haven’t seen a pro-GOP lol get a large number of WIN votes. It may be true that two LOLs are chosen together for continuity, but doing so isn’t necessarily inconsistent with the number of votes they have likely gotten, is it?
When I first started reading and posting at PK, I assumed it was a far right audience/ website because of EP and Ema and a few others that I have, thankfully, forgotten. I stopped reading and posting for a looong time because of that. So I’m happy that this is not the case at all. The GOP has way more stuff to make fun of these days.
Oh, I don’t know, I think Obama talking about the 57 states, and Biden telling a wheelchair bound man to stand up is pretty amusing. Or, how about Biden saying that “In 1929, when the stock market crashed, FDR got on TV…”
And If you don’t know what’s wrong with that, you should look it up.
Wow, the righties are really circling the wagons and getting upset today. I’ve been called a pessimist, a sock puppet multiple times, and generally been hassled all day, as well sa being accused of being jellybeans and jane.
There have been silly mistakes on BOTH sides. Recently McCain stirred up a crowd by quoting Obama, then stated that he couldn’t agree more (with Obama). The human condition is nothing to hold against anyone.
I’m glad you gave PK another try!
OMG I CAN’T CALL A BLACK PERSON A N—-R EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE OF MY RACE USED THAT WORD TO ABUSE THEM IN THE PAST, IT’S SO UNFAIR, WHATEVER SHALL I *DOOOOO*????
GodDAMN, man. LISTEN to yourself.
Northerners and Westerners hate Southerners regardless of how those Southerners vote. Regardless of the reason for owning a Confederate battle flag, it’s viewed as racism. If you think otherwise you must not be from the South. I am, and I’ve heard it all.
I have a news flash for you: nationalizing the banks, which McCain has defended as necessary in a time of crisis, is *way* more socialist than lowering taxes for 75% of the populace.
Nah, under his economic structure (mock free markets) it’s facism, not socialism.
Either way it ain’t good. Of course, Teh Chosen One is voting for them as well
“Country FIRST!!!”
If by “lowering taxes on 75%” you mean “giving the income of 5% to the other 95%”, then yes, that is more socialist. Obama keeps talking a big game on taxes, but he voted this year to raise taxes on anyone making over $42,000, and he wants to remove the deduction for 401(k)s and take away pensions.
Keith, Please pardon the butt-in, but I think you meant to say 95% of the populace, or everyone making less than $200K net. $200K-$250K stays the same; over $250K experiences graduated increase similar to tax rates under Clinton. I’m sick of GOP folk saying that Obama is going to raise *everybody’s* taxes. (BTW, McCain was opposed to Bush’s rich-boy rollback. I was proud of him–back then.)
The main problem was the spelling errors on the ladies signs, seconded by the socialist/socialest bit. Some people were bothered by the flag, but it was hardly the main focus of debate.
And fancy that, an amicable decision was made by Charlie Foxtrot and Froofrou to live and let live; now this lol comes out and we’re expected to breakpeace and start foaming?
Well, some of us are more civilized than others
Quite civilized. More tea?
The main problem was the spelling errors on the ladies signs, seconded by the socialist/socialest bit. Some people were bothered by the flag, but it was hardly the main focus of debate.
And fancy that, an amicable decision was made by Charlie Foxtrot and Froofrou to live and let live; now this lol comes out and we’re expected to breakpeace and start foaming?
Second verse, same as the first!
Yeah, that was a made up story by reporters and has since been proven false. Well, except that “socialist” one. And what do you call taking money from the producers and giving it to non-producers?
So the reporter faked audio commentary? Only the “kill him” could possibly have been faked; I’ve seen the other footage.
Good try, though.
The old ladies who spread lies about Obama being a ‘socialest’ were bad because they lied. This guy is just showing his support. See the difference?
Why “diversity” then? It’s just an old guy with an Obama/Biden sign.
The confederate flag represents Heritage not Hate! This guy is showing that! Ignorant fools.
Unless of course it was a McCain/Palin sign, then it would be different – he would be “uninvited”
Why would an Obama supporter want anything to do with a McCain supporter? Why would a liberal support McCain? When was the last time McCain’s people supported a liberal?
Diversity means “great variety in the appearance and quality of individuals,” not “everyone is right no matter what.”
Tell you what. When the GOP stops warring against women, people of color, the poor, and the environment, and decide to join parties with the Democrats, then maybe liberals will consider you “one of us.” How’s that sound? Let’s face it, Palin is McCain’s eye candy. Because he TOTALLY has a record for marital faithfulness and loyalty.
Don’t you think if ALL those ladies had had in there yard was McCain-Palin 08 sign and the confederate flag, they would never had made it on the site? It was the additional misspelled ignorant signs that made it funny and the object of ridicule. You cannot compare the two- this is funny bc it break expectations- if he had a sign that said Palin is a put-bill, or, something equally obnoxious liberals on this site would be embarrassed and disclaim this guy. You are comparing apples to oranges- that is the answer to your why- oranges are simply not red, becase they are oranges.
Wow, how ignorant can one person be? You say the Confederate flag represents heritage, but do you know what that heritage is? Ask a black person what that flag represents, then rethink your position.
Gee, I don’t know, how ignorant CAN one person be, eddie? Do they come more ignorant than you? The Confederate Flag doesn’t stand for slavery, which is clearly what you’re implying. Northerner’s had slaves, too. Not only that, it was Northerner’s who made the most money off the slave trade… oddly, I have yet to hear of anyone of those wealthy merchants offering the money they made off black flesh back to the black people after they were freed. Oh, yeah… that mean old Confederate Flag, it’s so doggone scary and all! *snort*
Of course it was the South that fought to have the right to keep slavery among other reasons, and they fought under that flag. So, some could give it that meaning, I’m not saying it’s right or anything but I know eddie and he is not ignorant.
Oh, Ema, the civil war was not about slavery. Most of the people who fought and died in that war – on both sides – did not have the money to own slaves, and had probably never even seen a slave. The cause of the war was states rights.
It’s not unlike the gay marriage issue now. Some say that states should decide, some say it’s a constitutional issue. Those who say that states should decide, claim that it’s unconstitutional for the federal government to enact any laws on the federal level.
Now, naturally, the issues of slavery and gay marriage are nothing alike morally. We all know though, because the liberals have mandated it, that no one is allowed to legislate morals nor to put their morals onto any other being. Therefore, standing on the lofty precipice of moral aptitude, and declaring it as a launch pad for the civil war, is a very dangerous thing indeed. It may give some the idea that it’s wholly acceptable to wage a war based on morals alone… yikes.
You would be correct, the Civil War was based on econmics. However, as part of the economy, slave were needed to support the industry.
… and as I stated previously, you didn’t learn in history about any of those wealthy northern merchants offering any monetary restitution, did you? Nor of any of those families, who probably have grown those fortunes over the years, offering financial restitution? Nope, not gonna happen, yet somehow, it’s the south that is bastardized to this day over something that is long over and done with.
“The machinery of the North was oiled with the blood of children,” as my grandmother liked to remind me when the Civil-War-slavery bit would come up in elementary school.
We’ve had this battle in other threads, and don’t talk down to ema. On top of that, don’t be flippant with eddie. Do a little reading and you’ll see we hashed this out a couple of days ago.
(that was @ keepthechange), not you herb
Ok, I agree with you but you are also talking about perception, and perception of the common man is that the flag represents the southern side of the civil war and the south wanted to keep slavery or at least have the right to decide for themselves, while the north no longer had need for them. It’s the perception, maybe not the entire truth we are talking about isn’t it?
If people knew the truth, Ema, then perhaps their perceptions would be different. My point is, perceptions can be altered, but the truth is static. So, to me, the truth is always of the highest import, everything else rests on that foundation.
Anyhoo… I have to jet. I have really enjoyed typing with you and Eddie today! It’s unbelievable nice to find a message board where the thread doesn’t devolve into sophomoric name calling and nanabooboos! Y’all have a great day!
You too
What? Leaving now in the middle of a hot debate? What a douchnozzle!! (j/k) I agree, I love a good debate that doesn’t involve name calling. I know that ema and hopefully me will give you as good as we get!
You clearly havent been bitten in the ass by clever wit yet have you?
……… no one else has either
Awww… my self loathing was ruined by leaving out “my” in front of
“clever wit”. If anything I just proved my point even more.
you…at 9:00 am: “Crazy people don’t know that they’re crazy. I’d wager the same applies to “brainwashed hippies who can’t think for themselves”.
are you the same bitch from livejournal
Really? I think you better do a bit of research on that one. The flag is considered by a lot of people to be a symbol of hate and bigotry. In fact, it was flown over the statehouse of South Carolina even though the NAACP was opposed to it.
Well, I guess if the NAACP and their opinions meant anything to me, I might care what they think about the Confederate Flag. It’s my understanding that many people feel the same about the Black Panthers, and Malcolm X, but no one stands up and cries out against those things. Bigotry, unlike a great many people, is not prejudiced. Bigotry comes in all colors.
Actually it wasn’t just the NAACP that opposed it, they were just the most vocal about it. But you would be correct, bigotry does come in many colors. As for the Black Panthers and Malcom X, not really the same but I do get your point.
Oh, and while I’m at it, how come you don’t see black people proudly displaying the flag? It may be that it is a sign of ‘Southern Pride’, but it was the south that maintained segregation until a few short decades ago.
Um, Eddie… there was segregation in the NORTH, too. I know, you’re shocked and all. Segregation existed in both the north and the south until 1954. Now, it wasn’t all over the north, but it wasn’t all over the south, either. Shocked again, aren’t you? For the record, 1954 wasn’t a few short decades ago. Given that “few” is an “indeterminate small number”, and we can determine – with little effort even – when segregation was ended, well… 54 years to be exact. In the north, and the south. So, I guess that the American Flag is as much a symbol of hate and bigotry.
Oh, and while I’m at it, the American Flag also represents the genocide of the indigenous peoples of this country. Wow. More hate. More bigotry.
I would say that the late 60′s would qualify as recent history. Maybe not to you, but it does to me because I was around then. I can remember driving through parts of the south in the early 70′s and seeing White’s Only signs. As for the genocide of indigenous people, I know, it’s in my family tree. Maybe I’m just a bit more aware of bigotry for that reason.
I lived in Michigan in the early 70′s, I was misplaced for a bit. (Actually, I loved Michigan as much as I love my southern home.) I remember that busing was the main issue at the time. The schools still LOOKED segregated, if you get my meaning, so they were enacting the whole busing thing for the kids.
I think that in some cases it was residual; not necessarily ‘segregation’, more like ‘seperation’. There was an uncertainty about desegregation that was felt on both sides. It’s still too early to see clearly how that will come out in the wash. Some people hang on to the bitter, and those people cause dissention, they will always pull against the current, always cause trouble and hate and mistrust where they can. Some people want to build a better world, but you can’t do that by sweeping the truth under the carpet, and our history is our truth. There’s no changing what has already happened, and until EVERYONE accepts it for no more than it was, we will never move on from it.
Really gotta go! Have a great day, it’s been fun talking with you~
Go get ‘em Eddie!
Actually, I personally know three African-Americans who are active members of Sons of Confederate Veterans, and they tell me that there are many others.
I believe that flag is W Virginia’s, it was commonly used as the Confederate battle flag, but it is not the Confederate flag. The main reason that it was often used is that the Real Confederate Flag sorta looked like a surrender flag. It was mostly white.
Lincoln only freed the slaves to make the war more difficult for the South to win. The Emancipation Proclamation only applied to the seceded states. The border states got to keep their slaves until the 13th Amendment was ratified.
Any state at that time had a legal right to secede. That wasn’t the “rebellion” the North wanted to paint it as. “Rebellion” didn’t happen until the Union would not abandon Fort Sumter, which was on Confederate property.
Read your history books, son. Not the ones they loaned you in high school, either–although even there you can read between the lines.
Slavery sucks, but it didn’t end with the Civil War and it still happens in the world today. And what happened to the South was shameful and it wasn’t even about ending slavery. In the end a whole lot of people suffered a whole lot of poverty–and even malnutrition–for a very long time afterward, which is why the South is still poor in most areas today.
And some of them are still angry about it. And they have a right to be. It has almost zero to do with black people. Black people just make a convenient target.
The way I saw the flag was the ‘racist’ way, however, this guy was able to get passed his racial bias and see what the country really needed, regardless of his personal feelings about race.
You saw the flag in the ‘racist’ way, but you’re putting your bias onto the man in the photo. A lot of southerners don’t consider the flag to be racist. You evidently understand that notion, because you indicated that there was more than one way to see the flag. I think the guy in the photo takes the “homeland pride” point of view. Otherwise, I’m sure he would have taken it down after deciding to back Obama.
Good point, rhorho. I take the flag in the heritage not hate kind of way. I don’t own one, but when I see it I don’t think of racism, but of a war that we still have much to learn from. I am not racist. I will not vote for Obama. I would have voted for Condaleeza Rice, however, that hasn’t been an option. My choice wasn’t based on skin color is all I’m sayin’.
Dear keepthechange,
I’m voting the other way, but am glad that your choice is earnest.
Hope to catch up with you again soon!
The Confederates wanted blacks to be slaves. That’s called hate in my book.
So did Lincoln. “I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be “the Union as it was.” … My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.” Whatever his rhetoric about the Free Soul movement, whatever he wrote in the Proclamation, had he truly wanted blacks to be free he would have done it no matter what.
It is in the public record that he frequently used the N-bomb in casual conversation, that he felt the U.S. was a white nation, and that he wanted to deport black people to Liberia.
The Confederates wanted the U.S. government to stop meddling in every little thing they did. The victory of the North over the South led to increasing federalism and a stronger central government. We can argue all day long about the merits of that fact, but it was something the CSA was trying to prevent. It wasn’t *just* about slavery.
Nowadays the South has become a convenient scapegoat for the North and West to expiate their sins of racism. The conventional wisdom is that racism only exists in the South. I live in Ohio now and I can tell you, that is categorically untrue.
Yeah, um, same thing with my Nazi flag. I’m just really proud of my German heritage.
DWN has this thing… see.. its called a wang… You’re bringing it up.
Really? You can get it up just from comments?
That’s the rule. It’s required. And it is his anniversary.
The Nazi flag represents Germany?
The flag commonly known as “the Confederate flag” is actually a Confederate BATTLE flag. Not only did it not represent the CSA as a whole, but the CSA no longer exists. Germany, however, does exist and it has its own flag with no Nazi insignia whatsoever. Fail.
well said mate
While I respect that that’s what it means for you, the confederate flag has been used as a rallying symbol by those with a violently hateful agenda far too many times for it to be a surprise when people who don’t fly that flag associate it with bigotry.
I do wonder though, exactly what heritage does it represent to you? Frankly, I look at that flag and think “traitor”. But since I imagine you don’t suport the violent overthrow of our democratically elected government, I’m willing to be swayed from that outlook.
He’s breaking a stereotype, the ladies are living down to a stereotype.
How very succinctly put.
So if Hitler were uniting the American people, that’d make him better than Bush? Everyone is IGNORING the dangerous aspects of Obama, and the media should be arrested once he’s in office and we head into the 3rd world war b/c he wants to be the world’s ‘friend’. This is the MOST DANGEROUS candidate we have EVER had, and the people who are responsible for delivering the news are pulling the wool over everyone’s eyes.
And guess what? Bush is a good president. How many of you can honestly say that on the morning of 9/11 there wouldn’t be another attack on American soil by 2008? No one. Think for yourselves. You owe yourself that. And you owe ME that. Dont’ screw over the rest of America just because you think Obama is ‘cool’.
Wow…pretty dramatic if you ask me. I’m an adult, I don’t think Obama is all that ‘cool’, I do think for myself and I think I’m tired of old white guys making a mess of things. I think Bush wasn’t a good president and I think the ‘rest of America’ is ready for change…you’ve noticed that Obama is leading in the polls right?
You’re more alone than you think.
Oh, and just because they are “old” and “white” and “male” that means they will automatically make a mess of things?
No…but look at history.
Just about every president we have had up until now has been an “old white man”. They weren’t all great but there have been some pretty great ones. Doesn’t mean only “old white men” can be great or president, my point is it really doesn’t matter.
Ok…I give, you’re right. But…maybe we need to give a chance to someone else who has some great ideas who doesn’t fit the ‘mold’. And I’m not giving the impression that Obama’s not qualified…he is and he’s proven that.
I would have LOVED to have had a chance to vote for the first black candidate for president! It’s truly an historical event, I just can’t understand why they chose Obama, he is completely unqualified and untested.
Obama is more ready to be President than Bush, Palin and McCain combined. America is ready to reject the sick perversion of Neo-Conservatism. Enjoy it.
He may be ready, anyone can be ready, but he does not have the experience.
Cheney had experience. BWHA-HA-HA!
What we need is WISDOM and UNITY.
Good idea, where can we find that?
ema, one hint: Not where you have been looking…
Hmmm, US political candidates for president?
NOBODY has the experience to be President until they are President – because they will never have done the job before, obviously. It’s not like a managing director moving from one company to another. It’s a whole new ball game and a whole new set of skills will be required.
NOBODY has that experience – McCain, Palin, Biden, or Obama.
You are voting for who you think will do the best job once they are there based on what they have told you they will do, and their character and temperament.
and experience and past record… you forgot those.
Grover Cleveland had presidential experience!
The only experience Bush has in government is as the governor of Texas. Taken a look at the Texas constitution lately? The governorship is a bully pulpit. The LIEUTENANT governor has more power.
Before that he was routinely taking over businesses and running them into the ground. That’s the kind of “experience” you like?
I won’t necessarily vote for Obama (I like McKinney better), but wow, you sure have low standards.
Yeah OK is right. In fact, the Texas Railroad Commissioner has the most power in the state. The Texas Constitution was designed for the governor to be not much more than a figurehead. Having said that, as Texas governor, Bush (with cronies) still managed leave his mark on Texas before leaving to screw up the nation.
Just as my cat left a mark on the old sofa. Same smell, too.
Who cares if they fit the “mold” or not? All I am worried about is how the person will perform his duties as President. (His, and not his/her, because we know either McCain or Obama will win, and they’re both dudes.) Old, young, black, white, doesn’t matter.
I’m not going to jump on the Obama bandwagon just because “hey, he’s black, so he must be something different and therefore better!” Two major fallacies: the first is that his race changes how well he would perform. It’s ludicrous to claim that he would be a worse President because of his race, and equally ludicrous to claim that it would make him better. The second stupid idea involved is that change is always good. Yes, our system sucks right now, but not all changes are positive. Some might make things worse. We need a President who will IMPROVE things, not just “change” them.
He has a “Blueprint for Change.” on his website that outlines all the things he would hope to do as president in order to impact a positive change. He’s not changing things for the sake of change, he recognized that so many things are currently broken, that wholesale change may be required. Not without carefula analysis, etc.
At a time, everybody admired how cool Clinton was, expecially playing duo with Kenny G., remember? How cool does he look now – earning 15 mil from some mysterious services in Dubai, lobbying pretty obviously for them, with his wife in a position to help? And when offered Osama on a plate by the Afghanis, he was busy chasing skirts, and I swear I heard people approve his shenanigans! Because he could. I don’t care about cool. It’s not an MTV hit parade. Grow up, plz.
Actually he was tied up because of the sudden and pressing need to impeach him over a blowjob. (By Senators who themselves were having extramarital affairs).
That logic sneaks up on you. Unfortunately, it keeps passing by some of these folks because it can’t penetrate the armor of Fixed Republican talking points.
Meanwhile the outgoing Clinton administration warned the incoming Bush administration about bin Laden and they did nothing. Now Bush says he’s no longer a concern. WTF?
Of course, the white leaders of apartheid did much better in S. Africa…
Wow, racist much?
Oh, wait. I’m supposed to be using my hammer in this situation.
*smite*
And America = Africa, um, how? Are ALL leaders who are black the same? (rolls eyes) Logic FAIL. But proving your a jerk is a WIN!
You’re. You are. Not your. Sorry to those who noticed by grammar fail.
Sok, I already smote him.
And the smiting was good…
The blacks in South Africa were quite a bit happier under Nelson Mandela. He may not have been able to turn his country around financially, or provide universal jobs, healthcare, or education, but they were at least free of institutional violence directed at them for the color of their skin.
Obama leading in the polls is supposed to mean something? What exactly? The Washington post admitted to overpolling people who are pro-Obama to get the result that they wanted to see. Polls are pretty much fabricated, you notice that they didn’t do Kerry or Gore much good did they?
Seems to me that polls merely perpetuate the sheep mentality. That would be the mentality of people who just have to have what they see someone else with. The mentality of people who give a rip what so-and-so is doing and/or thinking, because that’s so much easier than shooting for an original thought. The mentality that has people in homes that they couldn’t afford to begin with, in cars they can’t afford, following the every whim of some celebrity, believing that celebrities have credibility in political issues… oh, and the mentality of the blind masses, that have them chanting “Obama” and actually believing that he is a messiah who will give everyone a money tree in the yard, free healthcare and a shiny new Escalade.
Sometimes not being a part of the mass hysteria that leads a society to burn people as witches or, say, elect a lying, manipulative man affiliated with known terrorists to a position of power… sometimes not being part of that mass hysteria is a GOOD THING.
Trying to disparage your opponent’s motivations is known as ‘poisoning the well.’ It’s a cheap trick. You are trying to show that the only reason people would support Obama is that they are ignorant and sheep like. That isn’t a productive line of criticism, as it is generic and could just as easily be applied to you. You are a sheep like person who can’t think for themselves and are just going along with the Republican herd mentality. Is that true? How does it feel when i say that? Not so fun, huh? Maybe, instead of attacking your opponents and trying to smear their character, you could speak about specific policies you don’t agree with, or mention your candidate’s policies and how they would work better. Just a thought.
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Look, I understand that you are so sure of your position that you simply can’t understand how any rational person could believe otherwise. Trust me, I feel the same way about your side! In my heart, but a heart is not a thinking organ, the brain is, and my brain tells me that you guys must have real, meaningful reasons for believing the things you do, and maybe if I find out what those reasons are, I can communicate my ideas to you more effectively. You might want to try that.
i love you seth.
Wait a second here…it’s actually pretty annoying that you keep telling us that since we’re supporting Obama that we can’t have an original thought.
Personally, I don’t care what the celebrities say, a lot of my friends don’t agree, and even my own father (who I adore). And…as far as homes people can’t afford or cars they can’t pay for…didn’t this whole situation come to head during Bush’s presidency? What part does he have to play in this (according to you)?
And…I don’t think you are giving people enough credit. I suppose if I said…you’re right, I’m wrong…I’m now a republican and voting for McCain because I’ve seen the error of my ways, we could become BFF’s? But…wouldn’t that be exactly what you just explained…following the masses? I’ve done my research…I know what I’m getting into….
And…btw…give us actual proof that he is lying and manipulative… Or…stop watching smear commercials for your political views…
Nothing you say bothers me, Seth. LOL
Seth said: “And…I don’t think you are giving people enough credit. I suppose if I said…you’re right, I’m wrong…I’m now a republican and voting for McCain because I’ve seen the error of my ways, we could become BFF’s? But…wouldn’t that be exactly what you just explained…following the masses?”
Um… kinda like the way y’all now have NO problemo with the Confederate Flag in this picture, but usually it’s highly offensive? No. I don’t operate that way.
I think you are confused as to whom you are quoting…Seth and seattlefreeze are 2 diff people. It’s ok, you’re forgiven.
No actually. The deregulations that were passed that led to this situation occured in the 90′s.
Some of them started in the 90′s, but a lot more were added (subtracted?) during the Bush administration. The White house website has information from 2001 and 2002 where bush recommends opening up the housing market to more people who traditionally couldn’t afford homes. Some of it is from one of those state of the unions. I’d have to go back and look which year. Bush also said that these people ought t be able to have a “nice house” not just a “starter house.” They ought to be able to start bigger, in other words. Bush is not solely responsible for this, but his administrations policies were a catalyst for the worst.
BTW, McCain’s campaign manager was a huge lobbyist for fannie/freddie. he got millions doing the dirty work that contributed to the mess. (which, BTW, is way more than Obama/Dodd, or anybody else got.)
Please provide the source for your Washington Post accusation.
“Sometimes not being a part of the mass hysteria that leads a society to burn people as witches or, say, elect a lying, manipulative man affiliated with known terrorists to a position of power… sometimes not being part of that mass hysteria is a GOOD THING.”
Which is why I don’t vote for Republicans and will not vote for McCain.
Bush was an absolutely abysmal president and it’s thanks to him and his idiot supporters that neo-conservatism is absolutely finished and that someone like Obama can get into the White House. if you’re looking for someone to blame because you don’t like having a President that’s not hated and ridiculed the world over, look in the mirror.
Being loved by the rest of the world is NOT a qualification for president.
Neither is being a war hero.
Actually, I do think that helps.
Using the internet, however, is a requirement.
It isn’t. GWB was an email fiend until he took office, then he had to stop using the internet almost entirely, as emails are able to be subpoenaed. (sp? That looks REALLY wrong…..)
Not that McCain actually IS a war hero.
At least Bush was a better pilot.
OMG Too funny! Can I steal that for a caption—PLEEEEEEZE???
But it sure helps your foreign affairs department.
Explain how it would help.
Um…people are more likely to help and work with those that they like as opposed to those that run around chanting “with us or against us. WITH US OR AGAINST US.”?
If any one of our allies was attacked in anyway, we would be there no matter what and they would WANT us there no matter who our president was. I would think all of the allied nations would think that way. They are not about to become our enemies in a dangerous world because of a president. Especially since we have the strongest military in the world (unless of course Obama has his way with that)
If anyone is going to be America’s enemy it won’t be because of the president, but because American policy seems to be heading in an “it’s our way or the highway” direction, internationally. Not everyone thinks that the American way of life is fabulous. Not even all Americans do.
Strongest military? Fabulous. You can destroy imaginary WMD in a foreign country, while children back home starve and people die of illnesses and injuries that could have been cared for if medical insurance wasn’t the big scam it is in many parts of the U.S.
I don’t hate America; but I think that it has to take the proverbial log out of its own eye before it scampers about the world pointing out splinters.
So who says America is doing that? By protecting the free world and standing behind our allies? By being strong and spending the most on military so they don’t have to? Someone has to be the big guy and someone has to have the strength to stand up to the bullies. That just happens to be us. Do we always do it right? NO! But it’s a good thing we are there and prepared to do something if need be.
ema,
You’re overly idealistic. Everybody wants that nice, warm-fuzzy feeling of being the protector of the little guy. Everybody wants to be part of the group that stands up to the bullies. The problem with the last 8 years is that while you were sold that idealism, the Bush Administration was really transparent in the bullies that it decided to take on.
Many more atrocious crimes were being committed in the DRC when we chose to go to war with Iraq, and to this day, the warlords of the DRC are doing unspeakable things to the women and children of that country. That’s just one example. If you think that the Bush Administration really wants to stand up to bullies, the why don’ they bother with the bullies who don’t reside in oil-producing countries?
I see and completely understand your point, I think way to much bad stuff happens to innocents around the world. Human condition, we need to do what we can to help with education and assistance in those circumstances. It seems fighting an uphill battle at times. My opinion of why they go after oil-producing countries first is that without the oil, or a dissruption of oil production would affect many many countries, industries and the people that depend on them. Economies would fail and people would starve. It would be completely destabalizing and is just a call that has to be made to make sure the oil does not stop. I hate that we depend on it, and that only certain people profit from our dependence, but we do for now.
You say this, but then you fight on ideas that would help the poor in our own country, like making sure kids can all get a proper education and have healthcare.
No, I don’t fight against those ideas, we do already help the poor in our own country and our kids do get a good education. I am against spending more and more and more and cutting our defense down to nothing.
No, our kids do not get a good education, and the poor are not helped nearly enough. Don’t ask me how I know that or we’ll be here all day, just get your head out of the elephant’s butt and do your own thinking once in a while.
DON’T be like the guy in this link! Head in Republican elephant’s but just as bad.
@Yeahok: Bullshit, we do help the poor and our kids do get a good eductaion. Have you ever been outside this country?! The poor in this country live better than any other country in the world and have more opportunity. Take a trip across our southern border for some perspective. Also, you could get your head out of the donkeys ass while your at it.
@ema Have you ever seen the truly poorest in THIS country? Can you explain falling test scores and explain why the US is falling behind other first-world countries on education? The supposed opportunities we have a re gradually being taken away by allowing the gab p between have’s and have-nots get wider and wider. Things like college, which can make a difference are simply not a reality for poor families who’s kids deserve the chance when they’re willing to work for it, are becoming impossible to achieve because it’s too expensive and there is no aid/scholarships/loans available.
No minerva, I can’t explain the low test scores, especially because we spend more money on public education than other industrialized nations do! Throwing money at a problem is NOT the solution. I was poor and I made it through college completely on my own with loans, and part time work and I was grateful to be able to do it! Nothing is every going to be easy, people have to put some effort into what they want but the opportunities are there. Did some people have any easier time getting through college than I did? Yes, some didn’t have to work partime. But government can’t make everything equal for everyone, that is not the job of government. You have a very negative outlook and you see the glass half empty. What ever happened to the good old fashioned Democrats ala JFK? “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country”
@ema You really have a poor outlook of average Americans. most DO work hard. And as far as what I would do for my country, I’d happily pay more taxes if I could afford to do so in order to have the services society enjoys. Everybody knows school reform is needed, not de-funding schools, or making them private, etc. Nobody is saying they want to redistribute wealth. That’s just a talking point many are buying into because republicans repeat it so much. Seth gave a really great example the other day about how public programs really CAN help people. All we need is reform, not cuts, unless that is part of the reform. I don’t want a handout, never have. As far as my outlook goes, I’m more hopeful than I’ve been in years, looking forward to Democrats making some progress! I don’t mind doing my part, but I’d like to have my feet firmly on solid ground instead of on sand. I’m not asking for someone to give me a pile of money, I just want an opportunity to put my education to good use. Why is this so hard for so many republicans.
ema, Mexico is a horrible example for saying that poor people in the US live better than poor people anywhere else. Try western and northern Europe, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand.
In most of these countries, University is somewhere between free and cheap. For example, in Australia fees are roughly $70000 per year, but most people get a student loan from the government with 0% interest and no requirement to be repaid until crossing a certain income level.
In most of these countries, minimum wage is higher than in the US.
In most of these countries, healthcare is cheaper.
That brings up another thing. Why aren’t we getting mad at ‘big education’? That’s a total Repub talking point, but it’s valid. If we’re getting mad at how much healthcare costs, and how much the profits of ‘big oil’ are, why aren’t we getting mad that it takes a damn act of congress to get through school nowadays?
I’m ok with addressing that. A lot of universities have a lot overhead considering the many people they employ and the facilities they have to maintain, but I’m thinking some reform is needed. Not sure how it’s run in other countries to make up the difference. I will research it.
@minerva – This part of the thread originally started out with you saying I fight against any social programs and with my saying that we do help our poor and we do provide good education. Seths example and mine getting through college on my own demonstrate that we do have good social supports in this country the way it is and we don’t need any new spending or any new taxes. There are many stories like that were people use public assistance to get by in a rough patch, my cousin was a single mom and needed help to get by for a short time. I am not against that, but we have it already!
@PiMan – The reason I used Mexico is because I really hate when people say we don’t help our poor because they usually don’t know what poor really looks like. I lived for 6 months with some of the poorest of the poor in Cananea, Sonora in Mexico so I know what it’s like. There is no way anyone in this country lives like that.
I just realised I added an extra zero on the Uni prices I
mentioned. It should be just $7000, not $70000.
These prices are consistent across the country, which is roughly a quarter of the price of Ivy League universities.
lol! I wondered about that!
I’m not talking the black and white of friends vs. enemies. Please learn to think in gray. You can be friends with someone you really like and friends with someone you think is a doink. You’re more likely to go out of your way for people you like, while you’ll just do the minimum for someone you think is a doink.
The black and white are all that are really necessary, especially when the best interests of both countries are at stake. The gray stuff is nice to have, but I wouldn’t but it up there as a top requirement for a president.
Ema I love you and all, but in this one issue you’re missing one single
point. If these other countries dont like us, whats the incentive to
back us? As much as Id love to say that America could take on the world
and win, I know its just not so. America has NEVER fought and won
a war without allies, and it will forever be that way. We’re not keeping
relations with other nations for THEIR sake. We need to keep them
for our own.
The incentive is, I have stated above we spend the most on our military and we have the strongest. Our allies know they need us especially if they were attacked. There is a strong incentive for free countries to stick together, whether they actually like each other or not! We depend on each other, it’s kind of like a family.
But the problem is America hasnt been acting like we’re a part
of the family, we’re acting like we’re the head. A lot of countries
dont agree with us. And if our policies come back to bite us on the
ass, who’s going to really stick their neck out to save “The strongest
nation in the world”?
America is falling victim to its own pride, we’re alienating
ourselves, and driving ourselves away from the rest of the free
nations by acting like we know best is REALLY weakening
America. You have to look at this way.. which army is stronger
Army A. A smaller army with one enemy in an isolated place that
they can concentrate on.
Or
Army B. A much larger army, spread across the globe with
multiple enemies with no clear origin and no home to “bring the
war to.”
Eddie? Charlie? Could you guys give your input? Id love to hear
what you folks thing as well.
The way I see it, if we have a smaller military that can stay withing
our borders and repel attacks made to our home turf, thats stronger
than a big military tossed all over the world hunting down ‘the terrorirsts”
You’re right. Amazing how the GOP says our military is for “national defense” but if we were attacked today, we couldn’t defend ourselves.
Also, an outlook including only absolutes, i.e. black and white, is always a bd idea. Solutions to problems become better in quality when they are addressed from every angle. This can’t be done with a dualistic viewpoint. It’s frankly much too idealistic and naive.
@ ema — Look up “groupthink.” It’s one of the reasons the bush administration has had all the problems it has, and explains some of the dangers of Black/white problem solving.
Yeah, remember when he was in France? Sarkozy couldn’t stay away from him. The French loved him, the Germans loved him. Gordon Brown tried to be neutral but the British public loved him. If Obama does become president he’ll certainly have allies.
But it would be nice to think that Americans cared slightly about the outside world. Given that Bush rampaged his way across the world and messed it up not just for Americans, but for everyone.
Even if you don’t care, I know that a lot of Americans do.
Bee, you ROCK!
Why thanks
My comment was in reply to ema who said that ‘Being loved by the rest of the world is NOT a qualification for President’. Not sure why my comment ended up further down but nevermind!
I’m Irish, living in England…we’re all watching and praying that you guys get the leader you deserve this time.
Obama 08
I guess we’re both displaced, in a way. I’m a granddaughter of two Irish immigrants. I am from Texas, George Bush’s home state. It’s good to know that people from other countries can understand the widening gap between what George Bush says and what an ever-growing number of Americans believe. I have been looking forward to “kicking the bums out” for a while! George Bush is an embarrassment, sure. I could live with that much, but the dire consequences of his decisions are hard to bear. Thank you for your prayers!
For a small country, the Irish sure manage to get to lots of places all round the globe
Possibly because they don’t like Ireland. Or in the case of people with Irish heritage in Australia, because they committed petty theft.
I knew someone would come on here with a negative comment about Ireland. There’s always one! Read about the famine in the 1850s. Then you’ll know why rhorho’s grandparents had to leave Ireland. And it wasn’t because they didn’t like the place. It was because they would have died otherwise.
Comments like yours are just pathetic.
Yeah, a lot of people died during the potato famine. But if you ask me, that’s what you get for being a fussy eater.
That’s a stupid thing to say. They were dirt-poor and couldn’t afford anything else.
If wheat and corn were afflicted with diseases across the world a lot of us would die too. We’re supposed to be omnivores but a lot of our diets depend on those two crops, even if we’re meat-eaters.
Oh for……..*reaching into pocket* Here, here’s a sense of humor. I have an extra one, so I’ll let you borrow it for a while.
Did you hear about the Irishmen who…
Naw, I won’t the Irish jokes. (tho many there are)
Ireland’s pretty.
Yes it is. But it rains too much!
Bee is right about the disinformation. Americans schools (as evidenced by ema’s apparent IQ) do not teach enough world history. There was a WHOLE LOT more to the story of the potato famine than a simple crop failure. That “picky eaters” comment is an EPIC FAIL.
Bee, you’re a delight. Keep praying!!
Wow, rhorho, I never insulted your IQ just because I dissagree with you. You just demonstrate something about yourself and how you view people with a differing opinion. Nice.
gee, I was thinking the same thing!
ema,
Disagreement isn’t the point. Think about it: I don’t agree with everyone else on this string except you. Look back at your prose. Often, you diagnose the problems of others, knowing no more about them than a paragraph. However, in fairness, I don’t know your IQ or EQ.
I know I was grossly simplifying, generalising, and lying, but I was also trying to be humorous. Most of my ancestors from Ireland were those petty criminals I mentioned.
@ Bee: Here, here’s a sense of humor for you too. I had three, and I gave one to someone else, but I think you could use this one.
*hands froofrou two* you should be even again. I had extra and it looks like you’re handing them out in droves.
I’m just amazed at the lack of them around here! And for a LOL site at that!
Being respected by the world means you can get cooperation overseas without having to bomb a nation into the stone age, which is expensive, morally uncertain, and in fact reduces your reputation worldwide. Getting cooperation is cheap, morally secure, and enhances your nation’s strength.
Would you mind explaining how Obama would get us into the 3rd world war?
And would you mind giving some arguments that if Bush had not been president or had not done what he has done, there would have been more terrorist attacks on America?
Yeah I agree! I think it’s so funny how McCain supporters think that Obama has assimilated us into brain-washed hippies that can’t think for ourselves.
I’d really love to see an educated answer to your question… *waiting patiently*
Crazy people don’t know that they’re crazy. I’d wager the same applies to “brainwashed hippies who can’t think for themselves”.
lol awww….you don’t like the hippies!!!
You keep making that claim. How am I to trust that you can think for yourself? What thinking have you displayed? If you want to prove that your opponents c can’t think for themselves, you have to do more than just say “My opponents can’t think for themselves.” You have to show how your ideas are better than theirs. You haven’t done that. All you produce are empty words, words who’s meaning amounts to: “Everyone who thinks differently than I do must be brainwashed because I am so obviously right that only brainwashed idiots could possibly disagree with me.”
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Let me ask you, who are you trying to convince? If your answer is anything other than yourself, well, you’re doing it wrong.
win
Are you named after the imaginary Russian colonel?
Hmmmm… see, I don’t recall saying anywhere that I’m right. I’m just giving my opinion the same as everyone else here, Seth. That you take issue with it is your problem, not mine.
I think he’s taking issue with the fact that your “opinion” is everyone who
votes Obama is brainwashed. Which isnt true. Therefore its not an opinion.
Its just false. Many of us here have weighed the issues. Some like myself
have to sit for 12 hours a day with Fox News on one screen, MSNBC on one,
and CNN on the other. I get hit with it from all sides, and Ive looked at it
from both sides. Having done the research and looked over the facts, the
candidates, and their policies, I can say I’ll be voting for Obama for a number
of reasons. And none of them are “talking points”. So if making an informed
decision is being brainwashed, well then I have to say, it feels so damn good
to be brainwashed.
OOOOOOOHH You are SOOOOO brainwashed. And you don’t even realixze it!!1
John McCain is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life!
*plays solitaire*
John McCain is dear friend… but he’s mentally unstable.
Id take a bullet for the man, but he’s insane!
And see how well it works !
I wouldn’t say Obama would get us into a 3rd world war, but you might want to ask who would be better able to handle the situation if it were to occur.
Probably not the guy who is known for his violent temper and making decisions without thinking them through.
The man the rest of the world loves: the man with allies!
Perhaps, ema, you could consider that Obama may be better at diplomacy. Diplomacy has been the foremost failure of the Bush administration.
Once we are in a 3rd world war, it may be too late for diplomacy, and that is the only tool in his toolbox from what I can see…
If a world war happens, WMD will be involved. Because if the enemies of the US in an eventual world war are countries that don’t have WMD, they probably have no means of actually being a threat to American citizens anyway.
True enough. I believe Obama will be more level-headed and more likely to seek wise counsel than McCain. Mind you, I loved “old” John McCain. Frankly, I don’t know who this “new” John McCain is. I hope after the election America will get the “old” John McCain back. In the meantime, I trust Barack Obama to lead the country, come what may.
The same way this rock keeps tigers away. I don’t see any tigers here, do you? As usual for the party of responsibility, it doesn’t work both ways -he gets credit for the terrorist attacks that didn’t happen on his watch but has no responsibility for the one that did.
The only things Hitler and Obama have in common are charisma and eloquence. Other than that, I don’t see the connection. Hitler united the Germans while simultaneously blaming the Jewish population for Germany’s (and the world’s) problems. I’ve not heard Obama utter anything like that about anybody. Palin on the other hand has steadily tried her best to divide and has had some success. IMO, she is more akin to Hitler’s rhetorical antics, not Obama.
I take that back. Obama does divide middle class and the wealthy. Still, I don’t think that’s going to lead to genocide or World War III.
I blame the Racist Republicans. We’ll take care of that problem when I build “Re-education camps” for them after I seize control..ummm…get elected !
Obama doesn’t need to divide the wealthy and other classes. They manage that just fine on their own.
“Country FIRST!!!!”
You mean, you did not hear Obama blame Bush administration for the financial disaster caused (in no small part) by subprime mortgages he was lobbying for?.. Very selective hearing ability.
Blaming an administration for bad decisions and calling citizens unpatriotic because “they don’t think like we do” are two totally different things, Picky.
*refrains from mentioning that last time a country invaded a sovereign nation with the presumption of chasing off undesirables rather than focus on the true domestic problems of a crumbling economy*
It’s okay to ignore ignorant fairy tales created by dangerous lunatics when those fairy tales have no basis in fact. There is nothing special about Obama as a candidate, for good or bad, outside of the obvious fact that he’s a different color than most candidates. He is about as middle of the road as they come, and the fact that the right has been reduced to trying to smear him and claim he is THE MOST dangerous candidate ever only proves how morally bankrupt and completely out of real ideas you all are. Hitler? Really? You guys have nothing: your desperate, flailing attacks and horrible, mean spirited divisiveness would be killing our country were anyone still listening to you. Thankfully, polls show very few people are paying any attention to Republicans crazy ranting.
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And for the record, Bush is a HORRIBLE president. He will go down in history as one of the worst ever. He has completely messed up our economy, our standing in the world, and our security. He made us less safe, not more. Please think for yourself. How many terrorist attacks on American soil were there in the eight years prior to 9/11? You know what else we haven’t had any of in the last eight years? Giant robot attacks. Thank you Bush for protecting us from the giant robots!
The polls appear to be tightening up a bit…
One poll on that page says they are tightening. Four others, onthe same page, show Obama with a significant lead.
Hey! It’s a start in the right direction!
The Right direction maybe.
The correct direction, maybe not.
HA. nice.
Ok, that was funny
yeah, for a day or two they did, but check again:
fivethirtyeight.com
You know, Seth, everytime I read/hear someone proclaiming how Bush will go down as the worst president ever, it makes me think of Seward’s Folly. All those folks trash talked that man, made like his decision was a complete failure, and look how that turned out. If those folks were alive today, boy, they’d be eating some crow. Hard to predict how future events will unfold.
/just sayin’.
Seward’s folly = Palin
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-sewards-folly.htm
As for Palin, at least we know for certain where she comes from.
And everyone knows where Obama comes from. Except for the folks who
dont want to know and dont care to do a little research to find out.
Here, I will Use my Hammer. As herb suggested, it will penetrate thick skulls better than logic.
Yes- kill them my little sockpuppet ! Come have an Obamaorgasm on me!
If Obama DID act like you do, perhaps the right would have an easier time.
Failure to understand the sock concept.
There have been tons of presidents who everyone hated and went down in history as ‘okay’ or even ‘great’. For instance: The entire southern united states had a rather stern dislike of president Lincoln during his presidency, yet we today generally consider him to have been a rather decent president.
Likewise there have been tons of presidents who were absolutely adored by the general public, and have since been forgotten, overshadowed by the more famous and unpopular ones.
We may hate him now, but I think what history is going to remember about Bush is one thing: During his presidency America was attacked by terrorists, and Bush, well, he took the fight to the terrorists. He did NOT stand by and let our country be attacked again. Honestly I think both Obama and McCain would’ve done the same. Maybe Obama would have waited some months before the invasion (as is his way) and quite possibly would have been quite more popular than Bush is now, what with all the anti-terrorist excitement likely turning into a frenzy during those few months.
Bush stood by and let the first attack happen. He had warnings and he ignored them. And he did NOT “take the fight to the terrorists.” They were Arabs for the most part–not an Afghani among them. And most of Afghanistan did NOT want the Taliban in charge, nor al Qaeda training in their country. But they had no say in the matter, so it wasn’t exactly sporting to bomb them. We’d have been more accurate bombing Pakistan, to be honest, but would Bush hurt a supposed ally? Nah. NONE of the attackers were Iraqi. Al Qaeda hated Saddam. He had NOTHING to do with 9/11.
We haven’t done jack or shit about 9/11. CLINTON did more about al Qaeda than Bush did. The first time the WTC was attacked, he hunted the people down who were immediately responsible and guess what? At least some of them are in prison now.
But, if you ask me, I think the whole bin Laden-9/11 connection was staged. I don’t have a coherent hypothesis about what actually did go down, but the government and the media handed us all this “evidence” we were supposed to accept at face value, even the videotape. Hello? I don’t know Arabic. And we’re supposed to believe, in the post-Forrest Gump age, that any video our government shows us is COMPLETELY UNDOCTORED. Remember that movie? They put Tom Hanks in several scenes with Presidents and other famous people. Shaking their hands and everything. Ain’t that something?
I suppose we’ll find out the truth long after Bush is dead and nothing can be done to him. In that case I hope we go after his family. They’ve already produced several apologists for despots and supporters of Nazis and I see no reason they won’t do more of that in the future. Time to deport them all.
Not just 9/11 – Hurricane Katrina also happened during his presidency, situation in Darfur, etc.
Seth, you’re totally correct: I HATEZ dem SCARY ROBOTZ, espechully the GIANT kind!!
iirc the world trade centers were bombed early in the Clinton administration February 26, 1993 to be exact. the terrorists just failed the first time and were successful during their second attack. 9/11 could have just as easily happened during the Clinton administration…
And Clinton went after the guys who did it and at least some of them are in prison now. HEY, GO FIGURE.
What the hell do you think the troops in Afghanistan were/are doing? picking daisies? i think not… Our whole reason for being in Afghanistan was to catch these guys to prevent further attacks.
Godwin’s law states this conversation is officially over
No it doesn’t! Man am I tired of people misquoting Mike Godwin. This is the law as Mike originally stated it: “As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.”
Sorry confused it with the KMFDM rule from rec.music.industrial
And there’s always the Wang conversation.
Reductio ad hitlerum much?
Michelle, please Google “Godwin’s Law.”
Please, don’t speak for what I thought on 9/11. Seeing as how the previous attack on American soil before that happened in the 40s, I didn’t think that there would be another one anytime soon. Unfortunately, the people with the motivation merely moved their attacks to our allies’ homes.
“Most dangerous candidate ever”? Wow. That’s a pretty strong statement from someone who is throwing their support behind a recovering alcoholic who is in a position of infinite stress and has the nuke-u-lar codes.
Also, I’m sorry that you feel that the First Amendment no longer applies, but you know, it does.
For the record, I don’t owe you a thing. Self-entitlement, along with calling for a witch hunt is unbefitting.
WRONG as i said in a previous post February 26, 1993 the world trade centers were bombed by Al Qaeda. Just because it wasn’t as significant damage as 9/11 it could have easily been as damaging and non the less was still an attack by AL QAEDA the same group that made the towers fall on their second attempt… so pull out a history book please…
If the ’93 bombing wasn’t ballsy enough, the sheik going back to U-Haul to claim the deposit required coconut-sized gonads.
And didn’t the OK City bombing occur afterward? I know I ought to Google it, but that would require another window.
either way herb i think you are just further proving my point that the US has been attacked other times than 9/11 or pearl harbor by other countries/terrorist organizations… it is ignorant to claim that the ONLY attacks on US soil were 9/11 and pearl harbor… i didnt think to include persons from US soil in that case we can most certainly include McVeigh from the OK city bombing and Eric Robert Rudolf’s attacks attacks on US soil…
Sorry I forgot about that. I was five when it happened, and if you know anything about public school’s history classes, it should be that they almost never get paste the Vietnam war, if that even gets covered.
Regardless, the ’93 bombings, didn’t send us into a war. And it took them a whole new administration to decide to attack again.
Sorry for the mistake. Relax. Take a chill pill.
Christian fundamentalists shoot and bomb people all the damn time in this country and nobody is waging war on white Christians. Of course, that kind of supports the idea that we *should* be doing something, but I don’t think that “something” is anything that these anti-Muslim pro-Bush people would support.
Al Qaeda? In 93? REALLY? They have time travel capabilities? Click the name. Read the article. Hell… watch the videos if you’re feeling particularly smart today.
Sooo… maybe you’re the one who should have paid more attention in history class.
Where do you get your facts? From a Sarah Palin stump speech? The woman who still doesn’t know what the job of the vice president is? The woman who, upon being told by a bi-partisan (more Republicans than Democrats) committee that she violated the ethics of the office of governor of Alaska, claimed that she wasn’t found guilty of any ethics violations?
And guess what? 9/11 was caused by people who wanted to tear down the freedoms and liberty and power of the United States of America. George W. Bush’s administration of our once-great country has ignored and probably violated our Constitution, reduced our freedoms (“Patriot Act”), curtailed our liberty and over-extended our military, financial and moral resources to beyond the breaking point. Why hasn’t Bin Laden attacked on our soil again? He hasn’t needed to – George W. Bush & his administration have done the job for him.
Hilter, Godwin’s Law, Nazis!?
And now I present… The wang discussion, preferably mine. Discuss.
…i’m sorry, must’ve missed it..
Ouch my pride but still within the idea of the thread. Fear the wang that apparently some can’t see.
wow, you have an invisibility cloak for it?
I stole the cast off from the invisibility cloak factory and made a sheath for myself.
Nice way to surprise people.
They never see it coming/cumming… Ba Dum Ching…
“Are you just happy to see me?”
“Why, Yes.”
Tell me why I owe you anything. There are all kinds of reasons why someone would owe a faceless stranger something. Give me one or two, and then I will gladly go back, actually read your comment, and seriously consider what you have said.
I’m embarrassed to share your name. You say
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“And you owe ME that.”
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NO ONE owes YOU anything…
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Nor does anyone owe anything to me…
Let’s see: massive voter fraud in two elections; authorizing torture; attacking a country that posed no threat to us; warrentless surveillance; holding people incomunicado without trial or even filing formal charges; evicerating laws with ‘signing statements’; no-bid contracts to cronies worth billions; “Brownie, you’re doing a hell of a job”, etc., etc., etc. Oh yes, a great president, right up there with Jefferson and Lincoln and the Roosevelts!
Pull the other one; it plays Christmas carols!
9/11 happened on Bush’s watch. He had the intel to do something to prevent it but chose to ignore it.
police knew about the 1993 bombings a year in advance… you going to blame that one on Clinton?
Maybe, where’s your proof? Maybe we should talk about Rudy’s brilliant idea of putting the terrorist response center for future attacks INSIDE the assumed target. Logic fail.
(Incidentally, if you do have proof of your statement, I’d be willing to consider assigning some blame to the Clinton administration. Liberals are generally with ok with admitting their candidates are human and can make mistakes. Please site your reference and we can talk)
intel came from an Egyptian military officer and FBI informant, Emad Salem. look it up… the fact that I’m trying to make is simply America has WAY too many threats to handle them all. Those bombs could have taken down the buildings much like the 9/11 attacks and yes those bombings could have been prevented too. As for Rudy I’m sure that terrorist response team located anywhere else would have been able to stop two Boeing 747s… the terrorist response team was useless no matter where it was located unless that is you decided to happen to put it on a plane that got hijacked.
No, I’m not saying Rudy could have stopped them, but putting your team AT the primary target sort of handicaps them if there is a real crisis,(particularly if they’re dead)
Your Emad Salem source is iffy, at best. Looking him up gets pretty much only right-wing organizations info on him. The wkikipedia entry said he “claims” the FBI knew. Not a reliable source considering everything else about him. It may not entirely disprove what you said, but I have to take it with a grain of salt, since there weren’t really news sources that back up this claim.
Before 9/11 though, in the months preceding, Bush WAS given multiple intelligence reports and was asked by his advisers to look into the matter or provide some sort of response. GW did nothing. Georget Tenet found some of the reports important enough to leave Washington to go to TX to personally bring them to GW because there was evidence of an “imminent threat.” GW decided to stay in TX and still do nothing. A lot of this is in the 9/11 commission info. Tenet has some of it in his book.
I concede. I feel this was a healthy debate
We have those every now and then. LOL
Bush is a good President? Have you been eating mushrooms again? I owe you nothing. How self centered to think anyone votes for a candidate because he’s “cool.”
There is no difference, no diversity. This is just one more example of democrat/liberals overlooking ANYTHING – like domestic terrorism *ahem* Bill Ayers, for example – just so long as the person is willing to roll over for Obama. LOL
[sarcasm]Can’t we talk about REAL issues that MATTER to America? Like how much Sarah Palin’s new wardrobe cost? I was so happy to see that this made front page news for two days so far. It’s important and it needs to be discussed.[/sarcasm]
By “Real Issues” you mean if Obama wears a flag pin and what religion his dad was. Guess what? No-one gives a monkey’s.
She brought that on herself by pretending to be a ‘real’ American, and pretending to be against government waste, and for fiscal responsibility. When she proves through her actions that she is not in fact a regular American but a rich elitist who will pad her expense accounts and feed from the public trough with piggy abandon any chance she gets, that is news.
*golf clap*
Amen, Seth,
Also, lest we forget, Sarah likes to execute personal vendettas (Troopergate), revise history (Bridge to Nowhere position), and outright lie (about results of Troopergate investigation).
She wanted to beat Obama’s Greek temple luxury
Good one, Picky,
BTW, how much have YOU spent at Neimann Marcus this year?
Bill Ayers was a so-called “terrorist” in the SIXTIES. The FBI was wasting too much time going after PEACEFUL organizations to bother with the actual violent people. How is any of that Obama’s fault? He was just a kid then. It’s not up to him at this time to take any legal action against Ayers, and if the federal government has decided not to pursue, that’s their business.
Obviously he is not blowing shit up now. Whatever he did in the past, he has apparently gotten it out of his system. You should probably also keep in mind that things were pretty intense back then socially and politically and that the government was a lot more blatantly brutal than it is now. Leftists didn’t decide to blow shit up just because they felt like it, they did it because “the establishment” was guilty of a lot of abusive behavior.
You know, when leftists try to be peaceful in our activism, the right accuses us of being wimps. When we decide to stop being wimps, we’re terrorists. What the Right is really saying is they wish leftists would all die out.
Okay, this is getting stupid… Must I endure another redneck lol?
Yes. You must! What are a redneck’s last words? “Hey Bo, watch this!”
Uh…please ignore that. For some reason I thought your sentence included the words ” must I endure another redneck joke”. I must’ve drank the wrong kool-aid this morning.
Better hope that Kool-aid was made by Jim Jones
I thought it was “Hold my beer…”
Could it be, “Hey, Bo, hold my beer and watch this!” ?
Lovely!
Lovely!
rednecks FTW !
Yeah, I’m gonna have to agree with the others on this one…screw political sides for a while, just get us away from freakin’ redneck lols.
I’ve only ever met a redneck once. He was gay. Does he count?
I’d settle for some funny, non-hypocritical ones.
This pitchure is funny ackshully.
I live in South Mississippi…. and I think I know this guy O_o
I went to a party last month and he was there wearing that same Obama shirt, I swear to god.
I met him because I was wearing MY Obama shirt pictured here: http://i33.tinypic.com/20ijrl0.jpg
The guy was pretty cool, and very well spoken for a redneck.
Assuming this is the same guy.
Oh for Xenu’s sake, just post some pro-republican or anti-democrat picture already. If nothing else, just to shut all the poor oppressed conservatives up.
It hurts to feel the way Dems have been feeling for 7 1/2 years, doesn’t it?
I’m not sure what you are blathering about. I am a democrat. I just want all this martyred rhetoric from the republicans to end.
Anahole,
Blathering–Srsly?? I mistook you for one of the repo whiners, that’s all. I’m enjoying the martyred rhetoric. In fact, it gives me the giggles. This is not their year, and they’re not used to it yet. ‘Nuff said.
Find a funny anti-democratic picture, and add an anti-democratic caption……………..
Noooooo!!!!!!
Michelle, that’s a TALL order!
I love this guy.
The problem with the confederate flag is that it means different thing to different people. When I went to college, there would occasionally be locals who would drive their trucks through the campus and shout racial slurs and “the south will rise again”(ironically this was in a state north of the mason-dixon line)…. now, to those people, the confederate flag sure doesn’t -just- mean heritage. To those of us non-Caucasians, the flag sure doesn’t just mean heritage. I understand that some people may use the flag as a symbol of their heritage, it carries much more than that to the rest of us. So as a liberal, I find it disturbing that someone who chooses to hang a confederate flag supports Obama – not because I brand him a racist, but because I find it at odds with principles of liberal principles of inclusiveness and tolerance to use such divisive symbols.
@Michelle: Dangerous aspects of Obama? I think I’m a pretty open-minded person, and really don’t see what you’re talking about. I disagree with him on a number of issues that are important to me, but dangerous? I don’t think so.
“it’s not racism. It’s socialism.” We live in a mixed economy, get over it people. Obama is socialist. McCain is socialist. Every politician who thinks that public schools, the FCC, building roads, or rescuing hurricane victims is a good part of government is socialist. People bandy the word as though it’s not already a major part of our national economy.
That is the oddest picture I’ve seen in a long time. A confederate flag and an Obama/Biden poster besides a man wearing an Obama t-shirt. That’s priceless.
Yes, if you’re a Republican on PK you will be harassed. No, you will not have an intelligent discussion. Its a lol site.
This doesn’t show unity or diversity at all. If he were holding a McCain Palin sign, 70% of the comments on this page would be calling him a dumb hillbilly racist. All this shows is that Democrats can make everything and anything about how amazing and righteous they wish they were. There is no higher double standard than Democrats cheering for diversity just because it cleans their collective conscience.
*quotes self a few posts above*
“So as a liberal, I find it disturbing that someone who chooses to hang a confederate flag supports Obama”
The difference between those and this guy. This guy is merely showing support. Not mispelling words, not making outrageous claims… Not calling Obama a type of fabric. He’s not making a derogatory, inflammatory claims. He’s just merely stepping forward and saying, “I believe in him”, not insulting anyone, not trying to
defame McCain, just stating who he supports. Its not WHO he is or WHO the other
people were that were mocking or praising… its WHAT those people were doing that we were mocking. There is a difference, and it clear when you actually look for it.
He can step up and support whomever he wants, I’m not going to hate him because he’s exercising his right. But that doesn’t mean that the people posting here wouldn’t see it different if the sign had a different name on it. All they would see (quite ignorantly at that) is the flag behind him, even if it SHOULDN’T have a race connotation.
What we think is fair, democratic, socialist, etc. is based on our worldview and usually an incomplete version of the facts. Democrats, Republicans and Independents have biases, but this isn’t mostly about bias; it’s about power, who actually has it, how they abuse it or misuse it and how it cloaks itself by manipulating people’s fears and anxieties.
This is true up to a point. The concepts of Democracy, Socialism, etc, are pretty well documented in many writings, including textbooks. SO to argue a point being socialist, capitalist, etc, is fair vs the generally accepted model.
This isn’t hard, people. We don’t need 10,000 comments discussing years of American history.
In HIS opinion, the flag is about heritage. In HIS opinion, Obama is right for our country. I don’t think he really cares what you think about the flag or the Obama sign. If he did, he may have asked everyone’s opinion before doing so.
Opinions are opinions, people. If you don’t like someone else’s opinions…get over it.
Ooooh, I do like this point too. Thank you for the insight.
I refuse to get over your opinion that I should get over you having an opinion!
I demand that you ridicule me and call me names and insults to prove your intellectual superiority! And…. go!
The farce in strong you. Crazy things you will do. Penis you will beat. Ninjas you will screw. Hippies you will beat. Funnier puns than I conjure, you will do.
In bed therein.
*headdesk*
*Bed therein…
Screwing ninjas and beating hippies? I sense and epic trilogy in the making!
Wow, he looks a lot like one of my uncles. It looks like something he would do too, lol.
where’s all his guns?
and the dead animals hanging on the walls?
if I were american, I ll vote for obama
The Battle Flag does not stand for slavery or hatred. Do your appropriate research and see what the secession was really about. I applaud the individual in the picture for representing his Southern heritage and supporting the candidate of his choice. 3 days in 7th grade history does not teach you the facts about the War between the States.
1. I am from the South.
2. I am well educated.
3. I am supporting Obama in this election.
4. The South rocks!
Woo! This picture seriously gave me goosebumps. Just…awesome.
I’m very confused. This is a sight that has it’s own spellings. I am born and bread Yank but have always had a deep feeling for the south. I do belive McCain will sell our country to China or maybe the highist bidder. If my parents made the money I make today they would be upper-middle class, I fall in the just above poverty level. JUST. Maybe I’m not as smart as some of you but I can see things can not go on as is. Things need to change. It is not just the President but also the house and congress. They are the ones that really count. arn’t they the ones who really make the true changes? Please if I am wrong help me understand. tnksby.
It’s things like this whole discussion that makes me wish America could oporate more like Canada.. I mean.. our elections take 6 weeks instead of 2 years, we actually don’t care who gets elected as long as he/she doesn’t change anything, and we don’t constantly argue over who should be our PM. Nothing against Americans, though, I just don’t get you. It’s just that the election is all over the news here, too. I didn’t see anything on our election. I also heard people are threatening to kill Obama if he’s elected. That disgusts me. What should it matter if Obama is black? Why are people so against african-americans? You’re the ones who enslaved them and treat them like they’re the bad ones. If you’re treating a man who’s never done bad towards you like shit then i’d say YOU’RE the goddamn bad one. Say all you like about me or canadians in general, but i think things would work better if the U.S were more like Canada. Afterall, we’re not the ones getting into wars all the time.
Damn, y’all. The level of discourse around here rivals that of YouTube.
Keep up the good work!
Wow, um, Thanks? Not sure if we should take that as a compliment??
this picture is awesome.
This guy was part of the Red Necks for Obama group, NO SERIOUSLY He was, him and his Father were on the news about it!