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was this the “folksiness”


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was this the “folksiness” you were refering to sarah? so gosh-darn cute.

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  1. :> says:

    and first!

  2. jimbo says:

    reminds me of southern new jersey….

  3. Rafiq of the many says:

    Why is it when obama talks about his tax plan, and helping out the middle class it is socialism, and wealth redistribution. Yet, when McCain talks about his tax plan giving money to wealthy coporations it not considered wealth redistribution?

    • Charro says:

      You can’t redistribute something to the people that already have it…

    • blah says:

      Because you don’t understand economics. And also Obama’s lying about how his plan works, with his magic number of $250k and saying most small buisnesses don’t make that much. It’s all a bunch of smoke and mirrors. If you want to play Robin Hood and rob from the rich to give to the poor, you have to remember that he was stealing taxes from the government, not robbing the well to do honest merchant. Effectively giving back money that was stolen from them in the first place. If you help the “wealthy corporations”, they take the money and hire people and expand to do better and make more. If you hurt them to “help” the middle class, you give folks a temporary boost of money which won’t be enough to help them when the no longer wealthy corporations can’t afford them and can their happy butts. Boom, more unemployment and poverty all around. And those that can move their operations overseas where the profit’s better.

      • LewK says:

        Your making it sound like hees stealing from the large companys, when really he would just be taking away tax breaks and giving it to the people who make less money.

        Taxes are more when deling with more money, this probably ending in the governments getting more money…

        But then again, the current plan is working “so well”…

        Just my opinion,
        ~LewK

        • blah says:

          Making companies or people pay higher than neccessary taxes *is* stealing from them. Cutting taxes would be stealing the money back (effectively) from the government.
          The current plan that’s failing involves taxes well above the minimum level.

      • Lerris says:

        Oh please, You expect us to believe that a tax cut on corporate executive pay being repealed with have any effect what so ever on hireing policy?

        You think a board of directors is gonna go “QUICK! Our 4 million dollar salaries are only 3.8 million dollars now because we dont get tax breaks! Lay off the marketing department so we can give our selves raises again!”

        As long as somebody is making more in one day than I do in a year I’m not going to have sympathy for them, their taxes, nor worry about how their company is doing.

        Conversely when you give rich people more money, they tend to keep it, A tax break for the ultra rich will just see them getting richer.

        Lets not kid our selves here, theres a differnce in executive compensation and business tax incentives. Theres a world of differnce between giving the richest 1% of the individuals in our nation tax breaks and giving corporations tax breaks to encourage them to hire people.

        • blah says:

          If you don’t think they’d lay off someone for .2 million dollars then you haven’t met many executives. 8P
          “As long as somebody is making more in one day than I do in a year Iโ€™m not going to have sympathy for them, their taxes, nor worry about how their company is doing.” – And this is exactly why Class Envy works. People get so mad they don’t bother to look at how things *actually* work. They just don’t care anymore.

        • tarian says:

          So if you don’t have sympathy for someone making more than you, why should they have sympathy for someone making less than them!?! Just because someone makes more money doesn’t mean they should be penalized!! As it is, I am middle class and I never owe for taxes, in fact every year, I get money back. My boss makes much more than me and pays thousands in taxes every year! So just because he’s worked his butt off to get where he is and works 45-50hr work weeks, he should be taxed out the wazoo??

          Also, who do you think make up the bulk of charitable donations every year? These ultra rich you talk about. A fool would keep all of his money. A lot of people donate enough that they don’t get destroyed every year by taxes. I work in research and Bill Gates pays my entire salary thanks to his $6 million in donations.

          • minerva146 says:

            Look at the economics. The trickle-down “theory” doesn’t hold water. Do you know that CEO’s in this country are the highest paid in the world? Do you think they work that much harder? Other countries have rules that CEO’s can’t make more than x above the lowest paid employee in the company. These companies still get a lot done, and in fact are out competing the US on the world market.

            • Charro says:

              Yes, but we’re Americans and we deserve to be overpaid and underworked. Isn’t that the American dream? To get rich off the back’s of others? Other countries dreams include things like efficiency and in the case of Japan must learn everything-ness.. But no not us. We need huge houses and fancy cars and vacation homes and separate apartments for our mistress’. Not to mention $1000+ suits.
              Gosh when put like that we seem pretty greedy and ass-backwards in our work ethics.

              • Seriously? says:

                There are almost 200 countries in the world, of these only 6 work more hours a year than the US. Most European nations actually work a lot less for a lot more money. But I can see how all of this could make you think the opposite.

        • Tristan says:

          “As long as somebody is making more in one day than I do in a year Iโ€™m not going to have sympathy for them, their taxes, nor worry about how their company is doing.” – Then do something about it. I know it’s far easier to complain about what you don’t have than going out to EARN it. I also want to point out that those successful heathens pay more in taxes than you make in a year….let’s have some perspective here

      • elliot says:

        please look up the law of diminishing returns.
        there is a point for every company where it is not financially beneficial to hire more employees.
        trickle down economics only work until a certain point

      • Luke says:

        That’s awfully naive. You make it seem like corporations always make the best decisions for the benefit of American workers. If corporations have to have incentive to keep the economy afloat, it doesn’t really say much for them, does it?

        • justin says:

          Exactly. There are fewer jobs now, after all this supply-side garbage, and those jobs pay less than they used to. The biggest gains this economy ever had were when the highest marginal tax rate was 90%. Yeah, that’s not a typo, ninety percent. Rich people were still rich, they still owned businesses, and they still hired workers.

          All this bull crap about people thinking it’s not worth it to be a CEO if their taxes go up is patently ridiculous and is only espoused by people with absolutely no knowledge of economic history whatsoever.

          • blah says:

            Coming from someone who has no knowledge of economic history whatsoever, your statements are ironically amusing.

            • Luke says:

              Smug…cute. Point is, corporations want cheap labor so they can make more money. It doesn’t matter if they are taxed more or not. If they can get cheaper labor in Mexico, they will move operations there. If we force these businesses to give back to the people, then fine. Don’t feed me that line that these people worked hard to make their money. Bolsheviks. If businesses are incapable of making decisions that benefit their workers because they are making 30 million rather than 35 million then send them to Iraq and let them set up shop there.

              • blah says:

                You’re kinda half-arguing my point. We need to cut taxes on the companies and make it so they can stay profitable here, so our people have jobs. There’s no way to force the companies to give back to the people. All you can do is ask them nicely and make it worth their while. If you make it lucrative for them to be here, they will. They do work hard for their money, not sure how you’d expect someone to become a CEO without working long and hard for it. Maybe there’s a case of nepotism every once in a while, but that’s the exception, not the rule.

                All this misses the main point though. The tax increase isn’t hurting the major corporations who have the capital to just take their buisness elsewhere. It’s hurting all the small businesses that provide 70% of the jobs in America. *Those* are the people who won’t be affording their employees anymore and will can people out of neccessity. The “95% of small buisnesses don’t make $250k and won’t be affected” thing is a bald-faced lie. Well, no, it’s a half-truth: 95% of buisnesses with less than 10 employees will not notice a difference. This equates to about 10% of small businesses. About 20% of small businesses with 10-20 folks will be seeing major increases, and 50% of those small businesses that employ 20 or more people *will* get a tax increase. So instead of 95% of small businesses, you’re actually looking at less than half of small businesses not being overtly affected by increased taxes. So if (roughly) we say 60% of small businesses are going to get a tax increase, you surely can’t believe that wouldn’t be a major increase in unemployment? Or at the least pay cuts and increased poverty.

                • minerva146 says:

                  And you can provide source material for all of those figures???

                • Luke says:

                  I agree that small businesses will probably be hurt by this. How do you figure that a CEO works harder than the people under him? There is no incentive for being a CEO because all you really do is take the blame for all of the underhanded things that the shareholders elect to do. If you look at the difference in pay between a CEO and a minimum wage employee, do you really figure that the CEO deserves that pay? Nonsense. It is on the backs of the “average” worker that the CEO gets his ludicrous salary. I shouldn’t have to ask anyone for a living wage. They are men and women just like we are. Just because I didn’t inherit riches I have to grovel and beg? NEVER.

                  • blah says:

                    You shouldn’t have to ask for a wage? What, you want mana from Heaven to fall on your lawn every morning? People have to ask for jobs – it’s called an interview. And CEOs work *very* hard, much more than you’d expect. Very few “inherit riches”, they work their ways up just like everyone else. And they deserve what they earn. It’s not like they appeared one day and magically got an amazing job. They went to very expensive schools, studied hard, got good grades, have a solid work ethic (usually), put a lot of blood sweat and tears into a company that may not even care about them as a person, and work far more than a measly 40 hours a week because they have to to keep profits going up for their shareholders or they’ll be just as unemployed as the next guy. If you call working for a living groveling and begging, then yes, you darn well better do so, because it’s unfair to *anyone* else to have to take care of you if you’re too lazy to work. If you want to be rich then go out and work at it. Don’t accept a minimum wage job and settle there. Only one to blame would be yourself. I guarantee if you worked your butt off and became a CEO you’d darn well expect to earn far more than some burger flipper.

                    • herb says:

                      “I guarantee if you worked your butt off and became a CEO youโ€™d darn well expect to earn far more than some burger flipper.”

                      I do agree that CEOs often work very hard; my issue why is their 60-75 hours a week worth $4000 while my ma’s is only worth $400.

                      There reaches a point when what is “owed” to people moves from understandable to obscene. Necessary spa visits? Six-martini golf luncheons? That is excess beyond need. Enough to live comfortably while paying off business school? That’s fair.

                      I’ve nothing against the hard-working CEOs. I object to the ones (like those I’ve known) who earn $250,000 for eight weeks of work a year.

                      • minerva146 says:

                        Not to mention CEO’s in this country make more than CEO’s in other countries.

                        • Palidin says:

                          And your sources are ?

                        • minerva146 says:

                          Here’s one. I am doing some more research, because I know I’ve seen others. Basically the studies show that US CEO’s make a much higher margin over their company’s lowest paid worker. That CEO’s make in a year more than many employees make over an entire lifetime, and that US CEOs tend to have a bigger margin from top to bottom as well as higher overall than in other countries.

                      • Palidin says:

                        Have you read Atlas Shrugged?

                      • blah says:

                        The spa thing that happened with AIG wasn’t for the CEOs (though of course they get to go too). If you work in insurance, one of the things that is part of your pay (everyone in the company) is the ability to go to the company conference, held once per year usually. Agents work their tails off to earn a trip to Hawaii, Cancun, etc. for themselves and their families. I’m not saying having conference right after having your company bailed out is a good thing, but it’s understandable to not take away a trip from your rank and file agents that worked hard to earn it. Though it was portrayed as “Woopie! Free money! Let’s take the CEOs and go on a trip!” their conference had been planned for over a year and may have cost more to cancel or change than to just go through with. I think the main issue with that was timing, though if the company had folded the agents wouldn’t have gone either so having it cancelled but keeping their jobs would be a small consolation prize. Most agents are not in the six digit pay range, most well below $50k/year. It’s the benefits and perks that make up the difference.
                        Again, I’m not sure how I’d handle that one. The timing of the trip was terrible, but it’s not the agent’s fault and wouldn’t want to smack them and their families out of something they worked hard and planned on. 8/

                    • Luke says:

                      What paid for those expensive schools? That’s right, they inherited it from their rich families. I’m sure quite a few of them did terrible in school as well. You totally misunderstood my point. I’m not saying I should be handed money, I’m just saying that if I make 40K a year, and the CEO of my company makes 4 million a year, is it because he works harder? No jackass!

        • G-Love says:

          corporations DO NOT make decisions to the benefit of workers.
          they make decisions to benefit the COMPANY. that’s the whole POINT of a company, to make more money for itself. that’s the whole POINT of capitalism and free market: make decisions that benefit the self, that make more money. oh man. whatever.
          and obviously, corporations haven’t been making decisions for the benefit of the whole economy…see previous/following lols.

      • vervain says:

        Shorter blah: “I for one welcome our new corporate overlords!”

      • Tessie says:

        Have you lived on a mountaintop in Tibet since 1980? Assuming your post wasn’t sarcastic, you must be the last person on earth to actually *believe* this toxic and demonstrably false screed. We’ve all seen only too well how eager corporations are to help people and use their wealth for only the most ethical purposes, and how, when left to their own devices, willingly assume their share of the fiscal burden (that *was* sarcasm). God forbid, don’t give money to regular people or schools or health care or the infrastructure. Give it all to Enron and Wal-Mart and the oil companies, because wealthy corporations would NEVER cut jobs in times of record profits, NEVER move jobs to sweatshops overseas, NEVER poison the environment, etc.

        So? How’s that working out for everybody? That ton of money we handed over to the corporations, any of that [snerk!] “trickle down” to anybody here? Truckloads of cash in our front yards? Wages keeping up with cost of living, e.g. gas prices, food prices, healthcare costs? Massive job creation in the U.S.??

        Anyone?

        • Guinny says:

          If you were a dude, I would marry you right about now.

        • blah says:

          You either are incredibly naive, or don’t know a thing about what you’re talking about. Companies work in an environment. Government has made ours toxic to business, so they move. If you’re not blaming the government and blaming the companies for trying to make money the only way they can, then you are just buying into a lot of liberal claptrap and there’s probably nothing I can say that you’ll even listen to because your mind’s made up. Go on hating the Evil Rich, the true troublemakers are sitting back and getting richer themselves and soaking up the praise.
          Sorry to be rude, but you started it sister. Sometimes you *do* have to slap someone.

          • Maxwell Silverhammer says:

            Now we see the violence inherent in the system… but no.. she is right..
            You do seem to be the only person who actually believes yourself.

          • Tessie says:

            Yeah, that’s it all right: *I’m* naive, ill-informed, and closed-minded.

            I also made up out of wholecloth the record job losses of the past eight years, the well-documented shift in tax burden from corporations to the individual since the mid-1950s, the steady erosion of unions and regulations since the first St. Reagan administration, the obscene and shameful and ever-growing disparity between worker pay and CEO pay (while *some* CEOs may work harder — and I’ve personally met some who do and some who don’t — they don’t work 600 times harder than their staff), the massive outsourcings and layoffs, the elimination of entire industries (so how are those steelworkers doing lately?), the ongoing thirty-odd-year decline in real wages relative to cost of living… and do we all remember the recent robbery, uh, bailout, when the greedy slobs on Wall St. reached into taxpayer pockets to the tune of 700 million dollars, and promptly turned around and blew it on golden parachutes and $100,000 luncheons?

            Please feel free to offer any sort of factual refutation that you care to, by the way. Please cite any examples you wish to of how well trickle-down has worked for you or anyone you know. Please offer statistics of job growth, minimum wage growth, improved workplace safety laws, improved labor laws, or a healthier environment directly attributable to large corporations. Please prove that our bestest buddy Halliburton didn’t oops! “lose” 9 billion dollars in Iraq, or that our second bestest buddy Enron wasn’t caught on tape (or at least the hard working executives were) snickering about how “Granny’s gonna freeze this winter”, or that the Euro isn’t kicking the dollar’s ass right now despite Europeans’ pansy insistence on silly things like health care and vacation time and child care and subsidized education.

            You silly, pathetic fool. Your self-destructive pandering to the corpocracy while you chase after the “true troublemakers”, whoever you imagine those to be, won’t save you. Dick Cheney and Ken Lay despise you as much as they despise everybody else who makes under a million dollars a year, and your delusional cheerleading for the ruling class will never, never make you one of them. They’ll squeeze all the money and cheap labor they possibly can out of you, and throw you away like garbage when they’re finished, just like they will with the rest of us. We’re all getting screwed here, but at least some of us have enough of a grasp on reality to realize it’s rape, not love.

            • minerva146 says:

              Here’s one source. I have a bunch of other ones I was just looking at because someone asked me for a source on another thread. A search for “ceo compensation” will net quite a few.

              • Tessie says:

                Thanks for the suggestion. The AFL-CIO website includes an easy chart where you can plug in your salary and that of the CEO of your company to ascertain the ratio of his/her salary to yours.

            • blah says:

              Your “facts” are so wrong I don’t know where to begin. But it’s obvious that nothing I say you’ll even listen to and you’ve already resorted to name-calling a couple times now, so I’m just going to cut this one off here. Enjoy your miserable hate-filled life.

          • Luke says:

            Apparently, you are either a CEO, or you really just don’t think you or anyone else actually deserves the American dream. Apparently the American dream only applies to people who are giving a metric shit ton of money from their parents. I think it’s about time we stop listening to you.

          • COLIN says:

            I like what you’ve been talking about, Blah. You remind me of my favorite Economics professor at UCONN, Dr. Ken Couch. He is a brilliant Economist that worked in the Reagan Administration from a young age, and understood implicitly the inner workings of government and finance. He was also smart enough to explain, (or at least try) to the students that Economics is the study of human behavior above and beyond, yet all encompassing; finance, business and government regulation. It is a subtle and delicate balance of these three things that motivates and perpetuates or economy and standard of living. I will be careful to point out that he also was a firm believer, as am I, that if someone is willing to work for $1/hr, we should let them, and that an artificially inflated “minimun” wage is detrimental to supply side economic theory and practice.
            Unfortunately, liberals continue to increasingly disregard this simple fact. I feel that much of this sentiment comes from longstanding and no longer practical influence of labor unions and other such organisations. We weren’t around to actually witness the formation of unions to benefit workers at the turn of the last century, nor did we see the Trustbusters at work. However, many of our society have been influenced by parentage in the welfare system of government to ignore the fact that highly successful Oligopolies are in fact very good for the average worker in terms of driving down costs of goods purchased and produced. Take Wal-Mart for example: although you would be hard pressed to see me in one of these rediculous places infested with white trash and screaming toddlers on a regular basis, it is hard not to realize that although the average employee does not make much money, that their income goes a long way when they shop at their own place of employment. Certainly a far cry from “loading 16 tons” and owing your soul to the company store. The idiots never had it so good. They love to scream injustice that the “man” is keeping them down, yet they do little in the way of personal betterment. Once, just once, I would like to see a welfare recipient go to night school on my dime, earn a degree in economics, and sit at the head of a board of directors making decisions. I’m sure that this individual would have had to have had an “awakening” of sorts as to the inequalities that our current welfare system perpetuates.
            On a side note-I was in a local restaurant for breakfast the other day, and sitting behind me was a group of young local people from the poorer part of town (in which I lived for several years and currently act as landlord to an investment property). They were having a discussion in which a rather trashy 17 year old female stated that she aspired to have at least two children by the time she was 20, so she could collect enough welfare to avoid working. Whether she learned this behavior from her ignorant and neglectful parents or not, I was pissed!!! I promptly got up and asked them how much their meal cost. They were confused, but after they gave me as close an account as they could muster (taking into account the poor math skills) I paid for their meal. Afterwards, I thanked them for being contributing members of society and reminded them that the meal was paid for using money garnered from hard work. I also admonished them that fewer and fewer of their meals would be able to be purchased for them when people such as myself were overtaxed to pay for their illegitimate progeny. (They also asked what “progeny” were). I hope that on some small level, my harassment might have changed their perspective, but sadly I am not optimistic. In closing, keep up the good work in trying to educate the masses. I would love to see some sort of “societal awakening” within my lifetime, but it’s not looking good for ‘08 or ‘09. The indiscriminate redistribution of wealth makes me feel like I’m living in a Kafka story or worse, an Orwellian distopia. Maybe I’ll just go out and knock up a couple of strippers and everything will fix itself. – Colin.

            • piman says:

              You present yourself well, but there are a couple of subtle flaws in your ideas. As minimum wage increases and welfare increases (up to a point) average quality of life increases. Minimum wage was one of those things unions created to prevent exploitation of workers, and have existed where I am for 111 years.
              Looking at this:

              A 2005 study found that the Australian federal minimum wage was 58% of the median wage, compared to 45% in the UK and 34% in the U.S. The typical minimum wage worker is in a middle-income household

              Australia looks set to stay out of recession while USA and most of Europe are nearly certain to enter recession soon. Australia also enjoys lower unemployment.
              .
              Obviously it would be stupid to increase minimum wage to Australian
              levels at a time like this, or at any short period of time really, becaue of the inflationary pressures and pressures on employment. But a slow change would not be to the detriment of the people.
              On the other hand, cutting out the minimum wage altogether would also be horrible because it would cause deflation in wages much faster than deflation in prices, and would be political suicide.
              .
              I am almost certian that those people in your anecdote didn’t change their plans because of you. If they did change their plans, it would have been for a different reason.
              .
              Oligopolies aren’t good, because they tend to collapse into cartels. Regulation is needed to prevent this.

  4. Retaba says:

    I always wondered how to get a southern accent into written form, I guess I just need to spell words incorrectly in such a way to sound it out.

  5. Farseer says:

    So that’s what a Pro-America part of the country looks like…

    How quaint.

  6. Alcar says:

    Wow, one photograph, 3 misspellings (that I see)
    for the idiots among us:

    Social-I-st
    Mav-E-rik
    and “-WHAT- about you”

  7. mr_angry says:

    They are showing how ‘mavrik’ they are. The rules of the English language clearly do not apply to them.

    Mavrik WIN!

  8. Grammar Nazi says:

    I love the misspellings. Socialest. Mavrik. You would think you’d go and check the spelling of the words you plan to display for all the world to see. This is a perfect example of why I have very little faith in the education level of the average American voter…
    At least they managed to spell Obama correctly. lulz.

    • Musicmom870 says:

      I don’t mind the average American voter. The problem is the half who are below that level.

      • Evil Pundit says:

        That’s the half who support Obama.

        • Obama says:

          They wouldn’t dare show any of my supporters misspellings or screwups in here!!

          • Nobama says:

            No, sir, you don’t have to worry about that! No sirree-bob!
            The media loves you!
            You’re their darling and their Golden Child!
            They aren’t going to say anything bad about you.

            At least not until around end of October, then they will trash you
            like a used tissue. Just in time to wreck your reputation before the
            election but too late to do anything about it.

            I heard McCain was ahead in today’s polls, but don’t you worry
            none about that. There’s always 2012. or 2016. or 2020.

        • Roto13 says:

          You might want to look at the picture again.

        • Uncle Fester says:

          Actually it’s only 25% below the level of the average that support Barack “Nyalathotep” Obama. The other 25% in the lower portion are the Republican Party as a whole. Even the ones in suits don’t seem to be spell ‘Maverick’ reliably, nor actually do much other than roll over with Nationalising the remainder of the sub-prime mortgage debt…

          BTW, I see you gnawed through the straps and got to the IT suite of the ‘home’ again. I hope you didn’t hurt too many nurses during the ‘quite room’ break out this time. The poor saps are already on minimum wage, and are probably sick of wiping your ass and mopping your drool, without you biting lumps out of them like a George A Romero reject…

        • Kelto says:

          For real, EP? You’d stoop so low to say something that idiotic to get in a shot? I used to think a little better of you…

          • n8 says:

            I’ll just go ahead and ask the obvious question: why?

            • Kelto says:

              We had a debate a while ago, and he tried very hard without openly insulting me for my beliefs or others. I thought of him as an intelligent other, but now I see he’s like many of the hateful people i come across, ready to put in a shot any chance he gets.

        • DW says:

          Look EP – your family painted signs!

    • Not_you says:

      “check the spelling” implies that these people own a dictionary or know how to use a computer. FAIL.

  9. mr_angry says:

    The red paint used is actually the blood of the last person to point the spelling mistakes out to them.

  10. ? says:

    well the spelling of “referring” in the caption
    is wrong too so … ummm … ?

    • Charro says:

      At least the caption isn’t plastered all over the person’s front yard. At least the caption isn’t specifically implying “folksiness” = “bad spelling”. I personally felt the “folksiness” part referred to the Confederate Flag and anti-Obama propaganda that appears to be racially motivated for this household…
      But they still look like idiots.

  11. Jane St.Clair says:

    Does no one even care about the Ginormous Confederate flag? Srsly?

    • Guinny says:

      A better question would be: why does the Ginormous Confederate Flag still surprise us?

      • Seth says:

        An even better question is, do they have Ginormous Confederate flags in Virginia? If so, what do they call them? VA Ginormous Confederate Flags?

        • DW says:

          Ok, that’s a LOL.

        • Jane St.Clair says:

          They do now! Well played, my friend, well played. ;)

        • Kuromisa says:

          XD Wow. Just wow.

          To answer the question, though, yes. There’s a depressing amount just on my way to school. Not to mention the KKK meeting place down the road and the two of my so-called “peers” that named their dog Hitler because, quote, “He hates Jews.”

          As soon as I finish college, I’m outta here. I just regret that I don’t have the money to go out-of-state.

    • hemcat says:

      I used to live in the South. They’re everywhere. EVERYWHERE.

      • Reb says:

        And we still want to be free from being ruled by Washington and those idiots ! Still think we’re wrong ?

        • Only those from the deep south continue to disrespect the American Flag and the soldiers who died for it on a routine basis while pretending to be all-American.

          • Reb says:

            Hahahahaha.. no wait, you’re serious, aren’t you?
            Go check out the Che Guevera posters up in Obama headquarters !

          • operator says:

            Yeah, that part always makes me shake my head…people who proudly fly the banner of the bloodiest and costliest display of anti-American treason and insurrection in our history having the nerve to lecture anyone else in this country about patriotism. that sort of thing just buries the needle on the irony meter.

          • minerva146 says:

            These same people get all bent up if you burn an actual American flag. Jut imagine if you burned their stars and bars.

          • froofrou says:

            WHOA! TIME OUT. As a Southerner, I take serious offense to that. Don’t just throw out a claim like disrespecting the American Flag or the soldiers who died for it without at least trying to explain yourself.

            • Sure, froofrou… in my opinion it is simple. In 1861 several states left the union they agreed to join. In the years preceeding that action, several southerners , all of whom had sworn an Oath (to God), secretly moved military supplies and personel to bases in the south in anticipation of secession. additionally, military officers, who had also sworn to defend the Constitution, left the service in time of crisis and many participated in seizing said supplies and equipment. They served under the stars and bars, the symbol of the violation of their oaths. The stars and bars are the emblem of treason, as defined by the Constitution of the US (the only crime stated in the main body of that document). Therefore, anyone who flys such a flag glorifies treason and rejects the ideals of the Constitution of the US.

              • froofrou says:

                Let me get this straight…….anyone who flies a flag that is based in history (no matter how much you disagree with that history) and once stood for treason and bloodshed and war is by definition a person who rejects the Constitution………..Ok, I have some naturalized Mexicans who live next door to me who like to fly their own country’s flag instead of the one of which they are a citizen. Since their flag has flown over bloodshed, war, and treason, then they, by definition, must hate the Constitution and go back from whence they came?
                That flag no more stands for treason anymore than wearing a shirt with Hugo Chavez’s picture on it. It’s a violation of my right to free speech to be told to take it down (I don’t have a Confederate flag up, I’m just using an example), and it doesn’t mean I hate the Constitution anymore than some jack off down the street wearing a Malcom X shirt.
                As a Southerner I take offense to your lumping us all in together as idiots and country-haters. Those exist, but they are WELL in a minority. I’m sure you have the same type of minority in the northern states.
                And if you want to get technical, the Stars and Stripes is a symbol for treason, since it has flown over a country that basically seceeded against the Motherland and fought several wars in order to get away from it. The Boston Tea Party wasn’t a slightly treasonous act? Should we take down the Stars and Stripes too?

                • herb says:

                  (Interestingly enough, the Boston tea Party — which would be labeled terrorism under today’s standards — was incited by calculated deregulation of the colonial tea market in an effort to create a more “free-trade” version of capitalism.)

                  • Obama says:

                    Yea, they didn’t like those taxes!!

                  • PortlandMark says:

                    My understanding is that the tea tax applied to all the small colonial tea importers, and did not apply to the British East India Company, effectively giving one company an unfair advantage. The tea party was an anti-corporate expression of support for small business over large corporations in bed with the federal government.

                • Of course the Stars and Stripes represent treason against tyranny. That banner exemplifies the will of the people standing up against a dictatorial power to gain access to their for their natural rights for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. What rights did the confederates, who had sworn to uphold the Constitution that they betrayed, stand up for… their “right” to own other humans, to exploit their strength and deny them their natural rights. besides the context of their generation, fast forward to modern America where that flag (and anyone who flys it) represents, bigotry and hatred to the grandchildren of those slaves and justifies the history of that legacy of tyranny. Call it history if you like, the holocaust is historic, should Germans, 100 years from now fly the swastika flag from their homes and call it history?

                  • froofrou says:

                    But you’re oversimplifying the reasons for the Civil War in an attempt to villify anyone who doesn’t hold your viewpoint. For the people involved in that war, they were rebelling against a government who they saw as trying to take away their rights. Whether you agree with what they intended to do with those rights is not the issue. They were no more traiters than the original Pilgrims who immigrated to America to escape what they saw as a monarchy (government) taking away their rights of free worship, and as you say, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
                    The confederate flag is in no way comparable to the swastika. Last I read of my Civil War history, it was the North that raped and pillaged across the South. All in the name of war, sure, but the South hasn’t been the same since. And what if the South had won? Would the Stars and Stripes (which is typically flown in the same places as the stars and bars) then be seen as the tyrannical flag and shouted down?
                    (before you flame me, I’m playing Devil’s Advocate here. :-) I’m not an imbecile, but I take acception to you lumping all Southerners in together.)

                    • herb says:

                      (Apart from the Confederate agenda — as wonderfully depicted in the movie “CSA: the Confederate States of America”) I do like pointing out that while slave Black population formed the base of the Southern agrarian economy, the North’s manufacturing industry was built with the blood and bones of mangled Irish children.

                      I mean, with Devil’s advocacy being thrown around and all…

                    • rick says:

                      Lol, the South’s right to beat, rape, murder, and terrorize blacks. What a noble reason to go to war!

                      • froofrou says:

                        Read the rest of my postings before you make a dipsh*t statement. The North did those things as well.

                        • herb says:

                          Froofrou – “rape” in the terms you used (the Rape of the South) wasn’t about sexual violation, but the invasion of a sovereign territory.

                          That doesn’t alleviate any of rick’s comment or denigrate any of yours, but I wanted to clarify usage of the word.

                          And in defense of my family, we never did bother to cross the Mason/Dixon until sometime in the mid-1980s. Those that fought in the Civil War never passed I believe Pennsylvania.

                        • froofrou says:

                          There was sexual violation on both sides, but you are correct. It was an invasion of territory and a defense of said territory. My family is completely south of the Mason/Dixon, but we are really so far west that it doesn’t count all that much. At least, my Mom’s family is. Dad’s family is from Kentucky, which is prime real estate for Confederate left-overs :-)

                        • rick says:

                          So the eff what. The north did it, the south wanted to keep on doing it. They rebeled adn those little bltches got told.

                        • kaylee says:

                          Yeah I saw The Outlaw Josey Wales. Clint was HOT.

                    • Will says:

                      “Whether you agree with what they intended to do with those rights is not the issue.”
                      Are you seriously trying to compare the rights of freedom and liberty to the rights of people to own and abuse others? Jesus damn christ. GTFO with that shite.

                  • Reb says:

                    Spoken like a true a**hole . Come to the South and say that- after you make out your will that is. Or say it to any soldier from the South serving (and dying) in Iraq now.
                    Your, sir, are an ignorant ass.

                    • .o. says:

                      No, you misunderstand. I can’t speak for froofrou, but any Southerner fighting in Iraq is a brave patriot in my book. Southerners are fine. Patriots are fine. Southern Patriots who fly the Confederate Flag are hypocrites. A Southern Patriot who flies the Confederate Flag and therefore condones violent insurrection against the United States yet wants to see Ayers strung up has no sense of irony, history, or perspective. The causes of the Civil War are fairly complex, but that doesn’t absolve anything – at some point, some Southerners rationalized that it was OK to kill their fellow Americans. And that’s bulls**t.

                      (p.s. emphasizing violent retribution does not help the South’s image)

                      • froofrou says:

                        You guys are acting like we’re the only country in the world that has ever had a civil war. That doesn’t make it right, but history is ripe with stories of countrymen against their brothers, fighting for ideals they thought were right.
                        And I’ll do you one better. ANYONE, regardless of where they are from in the United States, fighting in Iraq is a brave patriot (damn run on sentence).
                        Charlie, just so you know, I agree with you (to some degree) about the stars and bars. I took complete exception to your generalization of Southerners as a whole. And I take exception to you lumping in ignorance and the Confederate ideals. Slavery may have been a part of it, but it wasn’t the only part, and certainly not the biggest part. It was on its way out to die a natural death. The Civil War simply accelerated the process. To a lot of Southerners, the stars and bars doesn’t stand for slavery, but for state’s rights.
                        Reb, get a life. Debate, or go back to the hole you came from. Charlie is stating an opinion, and any patriot fighting in Iraq or anywhere else for that matter, will defend his right to say it. Just like they defend your right to be an ignorant name-caller.

                        • Froofrou, I understand and I wasn’t talking about all southerners. Americans from the entire country serve honorably, and if i misspoke, then i was wrong. However, I have lived in the south and i understand the historic argument, however, in my opinion, it is wrong. Flags are strong symbols, and that flag represents hatred and bigotry. It was used by traitors to defend their “right” to enslave others. The bulk of the Confederate Officer Corps betrayed and Oath that they swore to support and defend the Constitution of the US, regardless how they justified it or how their decendents justify it today. More importantly, anyone who flys it today does so knowing that it envokes the image of repression and slavery, in particular when flown here in Indiana, a state that fought against that flag. In modern America, that flag symbolizes hatred and bigotry. I know many people do not understand or agree with me, but thenn again, symbols elicit strong reaction… just watch someone burning an American Flag. in my mind, flying a Confederate Flag is worse.

                        • froofrou says:

                          I would equate the two………especially if said Confederate flag is being flown from the back of a pickup truck through the poor black neighborhood with a couple of drunk rednecks in the back throwing beer cans at all the black people they see. Yay to my hometown *sigh*
                          I will never be able to think that simply flying a Confederate flag is as bad as burning an American flag, but that’s probably the product of where I was raised. For the most part, kids are brought up with that flag as a symbol of history, not of hatred. It does go off the scale sometimes, though, as I just described.
                          I still think having a poster of Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, or (what’s the guy’s name?) Guerrero is as bad or worse than a Confederate flag. All of them stand for dictatorship and tyranny, all things that America fights against. All of them have oppressed their peoples.

                        • herb says:

                          Ernesto “Che” Guevara, sweetie.

                        • froofrou says:

                          Gracias. I had a major brain fart. Happens when I’m at work sometimes :-)

                        • I hear you, i am no supporter of any of those morons. i guess my point is that Americans, not foreigners, committed treason under that banner. I have known and served with many honorable southerners, however, i can not get past the history of rebellion that that banner represents, nor the present day use of said banner.

                        • minerva146 says:

                          Thanks Charlie. I had to go do something for a while, but you added my supplemental arguments great! I didn’t mean to leave that last statelment hanging, but Charlie and I agree I think. He immediately expanded on what I meant when I originally wrote it. :)

                        • Luke says:

                          Apparently we are one of the few countries that allow traitors to exist among us without marching them into the sea.

                        • minerva146 says:

                          Damn that free speech. Oh, Wait… I’m for that.

                        • Obama says:

                          Kim Jung Il would be proud of you ! (sniff)

                        • funny thing that free speech…you mean i have to actually hear what someone else thinks, even when they don’t agree with me? What’s up with that?

                        • Minerva, it’s cool…i gotch yer back!

                    • redneck says:

                      Hur hur, my brain don’t work so I talk with my fists! Hur hur.

                    • Tessie says:

                      Oh, I love this:

                      “Come to the South and say” [fill in unpopular opinon here] “after you make out your will, that is. Or say it to any soldier from the South serving (and dying) in Iraq now.”

                      Yeah, because that’s why soldiers are fighting and dying in Iraq — so we can all live in a society where people’s lives are threatened for freedom of speech.

          • DW says:

            Amen, CF.

        • Ceefax says:

          Maybe if you didn’t suck at fighting so much you’d have won the civil war and wouldn’t be having such an identity crisis.

          • froofrou says:

            ‘Ran out of supplies for war’ and ’sucking at fighting’ are two separate and completely different things. The South held their own pretty well for a bunch of kids with no supplies (shoes and food) against a much better supplied and more regulated army with more experience under its belt. The North was pretty well beat almost to death by these kids, and if it hadn’t been for a few ill timed tactical errors on the part of the Southerners, the United States would probably look much different today.

            • ck says:

              “Pretty well beat almost to death?” Wow, they must teach an alternate history in the south.

              • froofrou says:

                Just remember that history is written by the winners. There are always alternate sides of the story.

                • Luke says:

                  Yeah, and I think I’ll believe the non-traitors story.

                • ck says:

                  No, there are facts and none of the facts point to the North even coming close to being pwnd by the South. Your alternate side = spin fabricated from lies.

                  • minerva146 says:

                    Yeah, I have to agree with ck, froufrou. A Union victory was only a matter of time, even if you just look at it from an attrition standpoint. If we were talking about an uprising in the roman empire or something, I’d go right along with the “history written by the winners thing.” We are talking about relatively recent history here though, from which many journals, military documents, news reports, photos, letters, etc. still survive to be examined. It’s possible to reconstruct pretty thoroughly.

                    • froofrou says:

                      I never denied the eventual Union victory. But the South, being woefully undersupplied and under-regulated as an army, still held its own better than anyone thought they could have. IF they had been supplied like the Union army and hadn’t made several key tactical errors, the USA would be much different today. That isn’t saying that the Union wouldn’t have won, but the loss of life might have gone on longer, the fight even more bitter than it was originally, and the South might not have been decimated to the point that in some ways it is still trying to recover from. It’s all speculation and conjecture :-)

                      • Spanky says:

                        Sorta like Mike Tyson taking on a 90 year old lady, and taking 3 rounds to finally beat her, but suffering a split lip anyway !
                        The South was outnumbered 4 to 1, had virtually no industry or railroads, yet still held off the North for over three years, with several large victories in battle.

      • random says:

        I stil live in the south… and yes they are everywhere.

    • Kelto says:

      It doesn’t come as a suprise to me…

    • Luke says:

      Amazing that such “pro-America” folks display the flag of the greatest traitors to the U.S. in it’s history.

  12. Uncle Fester says:

    The antebellum charm is almost cloying… Bear in mind America, your future sits in the hands of people like this, since they’re the majority (they remind me of a cross between the family in The Hills Have Eyes, and the one in the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre) :)

  13. Joe the Plumber says:

    Obviously a Democrat plant !

  14. J says:

    Jesus tap dancing Christ……I hate pics like this. These folks make the entire South look ignorant. At least learn how to spell.
    I live in MS and see this crap all the time.

  15. jiltron says:

    Austin TX

    unfortunately…

  16. Adam says:

    Yeah because Harlem is such a nice place. This site is almost as bias as the NYT.

  17. Jamieteevee says:

    Wait, WAIT. No lolnathan? Dethwyrmnexus can’t show his “face”? Not even ema can defend the strong McCain/Palin voter base. LOLzing LOLzing LOLLLLLLLL!!1!!!

  18. Wammathorius says:

    IL ftw

  19. Maeg says:

    I think it’s funny how people at McCain/Palin rallies yell “Traitor” and “Terrorist” about Obama, but Palin’s husband belonged to a party that wanted to leave the union. Then we have this confederate flag here…People who display them are traitors!

  20. Karen says:

    LOL REDNECKS CANT SPELL

  21. apostrophe*liberation*front says:

    Did someone call my name?

  22. jack says:

    how come none of the ignorant mccain supporters can spell? Mavrik? socialest? huh?

    if you are going to be hateful, the least you can do is spell properly.

  23. bugwitch says:

    pew pew pew

    **adorable**

  24. Nitrokitty says:

    Holy crap, I know this house, its two blocks away from where I live. It’s in the middle of an extremely liberal neighborhood in Austin, TX, which is primarly populated by college students and yuppies. When I saw it, at first I thought it was a joke. Now I’m not so sure.

    • Jamieteevee says:

      “Extremely liberal” in Austin TX = “barely able to tolerate people who don’t go to my church”. Those people are only “exceptional” of Austin in that they are not asking their college student neighbors for help in spelling their signs or having the students over for free Budweiser and a little “social structuring”, let’s call it “witnessing”. The only actual liberal thing you are liable to find there is a liberal use of make-up. I will never understand the giant hair and the “Tammy Faye” stylings that are mandatory there. A friend of mine was called a “Jezebel” because she chose to hang with her gay friends by a woman with at least half a can of hairspray in her “do” and more paint on her face than on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. That is a charge that used to be reserved for any woman that would dare to wear lipstick.
      As to the issue of whether it might be a joke…….can you please tell me, who would find that funny? If you were a Republican, would you be “amused”? If you were a Democrat, wouldn’t you feel sick to your stomach and fear for your children’s lives?

      • Austinite says:

        If I could only reach my hand through this series of tubes I would punch you in the face. I’ll let you in on a little secret, Dallas was a TV show, not a documentary.

  25. Stingray47 says:

    I think they meant “Mavrick”.
    A “Mavrik” is defined as a racist.

    • wundawomun says:

      They seem to have made that point.

    • Jamieteevee says:

      And a Maverick is someone who, “refuses to abide by the dictates of or resists adherence to a group; a dissenter”. If they are referring to McCain, as he often does of himself, then it is still dead wrong. The only time that man dissents from the Hard Right Conservative Republican agenda is when his vote cannot possibly sway the vote or alter the outcome. That sounds much more like a person who is more concerned with his “image” than his reality.
      A “Mavrik” is only “assumed” to be a racist, not by definition but because it is a safe bet.

  26. deviousgirl says:

    if only every surface you wrote on had spell check….

  27. joroll says:

    well if they cant spell, niether can you…refering?????

  28. Timothy says:

    Strawman fallacy: Ur doin it right!

  29. Felipe Ramos says:

    Now I want to became a socialest

  30. Knastymike says:

    so i herd you leik mavkip, is dis tru?

  31. Sylderon says:

    This reminds me of a handmade sign along the road supporting ‘John Mcain’…

  32. kta says:

    spelling fail

  33. Gizmo42 says:

    I just love the way ppl see redneck racist hick when they see the star and bars. Should see the looks my best friends wife gets when she wears her sweatshirt with a big rebel flag on it. She is black. Yes it stood for various bad thing in history at times but these days except for a minor portion of the population it just means they are proud to be from southern states or that its just a cool looking flag. I also happen to have one on my bedroom wall along with an American flag and a Canadian flag. I’m also a Navy veteran so dont accuse me of disrespecting the Constitution or the United States.

    • minerva146 says:

      This is why people in other countries think Americans are dumb. Some of us will “wear stuff because it looks cool” without any regard for the symbolism they might be invoking. Teenage girls make gang signs when they take pictures ofthemselves because they’ve seen it someplace and they think it’s cool. (I’ve even seen a pic of the Bush twins doing this) Sheesh. “sure it stood for bad things in the past but people are proud of being from the south or it looks cool” (yes, I paraphrased, but not much) I am for freedom of expression, but there are very good reasons why people get upset at the casual use of this symbol. Read the stuff Charlie says above.

  34. Peach says:

    Anti-socialeesm! XD
    Sarah’s right, that is cute. :3

  35. SteelSkin says:

    omfg, what is shown on this picture is totally the reason why most people here in europe think most americans are…y’know, like on the photo.

  36. Rob says:

    Socialist is spelled incorrectly. Sad.

    • Bradders says:

      Perhaps if they had the benefit of a high-quality, free education a socialist state would provide, they could spell it. And “maverick”. And not be frightened of the metric system, proportional voting or seat belts. (Sorry if I’ve implied those last three objections.)

      BTW, can you actually call yourself a _maverick_? Doesn’t that label have to be given to you by everybody else?

  37. Emf says:

    Refering. Refering. Refering.

    Is that like smoking weed? ‘Cos this honky ain’t never seen that word before.

  38. Snoodle says:

    I love the smell of spelling mistakes in the red-necked morning.

  39. Claudia says:

    I think this is in Austin, tx because my friend scott took a picture of a house with the same signs here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dirtysouth/2972829596/

  40. Bethany says:

    “socialest” fail

  41. Wombatish says:

    At least they got “Obama” right.

    ….. Firefox really needs to add that to spell check, by now.

    • Wombatish says:

      Also, if they’re in Austin they should be strung up for flying that flag.

      Texas flag or go home.

      Respect the ex-country :P .

  42. Nihil says:

    What is scarier?

    These people exist?
    Or the fact that they vote in elections?

  43. Obama says:

    Good lord! Exit stage left!

  44. kaylee says:

    WTF? It’s a spambot!

  45. PiMan says:

    For the best, this “person” is actually a bot.

  46. rick says:

    Bot? Is that EP?

  47. Guinny says:

    So, would you say this person suffers under your tax plans? Please say yes.

  48. Boodles says:

    Simple- this is in Austin, Texas which is as flamingly Liberal as San Francisco.
    These are Obama supporters who did this as a joke and you idiots took this seriously. The Austin American paper interviewed these people and they admitted it, and even intentionally misspelled the signs.
    Dems have no morals whatsoever.

  49. minerva146 says:

    *hands roll of aluminum foil to Boodles*

  50. Boodles says:

    For what? Pointing out the truth ? They were engaging in satire, nothing more.

  51. minerva146 says:

    NO, for the name calling and the generalizing about liberals having no morals just because of a few dumba$$ kids. They do not represent everyone.


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