“When she has the medication, she’s great and wants to work, but if she works, she loses the medical assistance and can no longer afford her medication. That makes her suicidal and unable to work again.” If we could reform the programs as a path to bettering one’s situation, a leg up, as they are intended, they can work well.

Obama said in his acceptance speech “Our government should work for us, not against us. It should help us, not hurt us. It should ensure opportunity not just for those with the most money and influence, but for every American who’s willing to work.”

and “I believe that, as hard as it will be, the change we need is coming, because I’ve seen it, because I’ve lived it.

Because I’ve seen it in Illinois, when we provided health care to more children and moved more families from welfare to work.”

We need to stop blaming the people who need it, reform the system to catch the cheaters who exploit and correct the problems like the medicine one.These people aren’t the majority.

As far as needing to be fired or laid off at a job to qualify for unemployment, not around here. I found out two days ago that if someone is fired or quits from the place I work, they have up to six months of unemployment that they can be eligible for without needing the employer to document it. Also, the channels for which we could protest the unemployment are notoriously slow and frought with red tape.

This might not be the experience of everyone. But don’t discount my experiences and things i see with my own eyes just because it doesn’t fit into the cute little mold you have of the world. The people around me love handouts, and will take whatever is offered instead of working for it. It’s frustrating, and it really makes me question my line of work sometimes. I’m no longer a cashier as I said I was before, but in my new line of work I see the same problems. It makes me bitter, sure, and it makes me question things. This is why I feel that socialism won’t work because I see too much of it already in everything around me, and it’s dragging this place down.

*sigh*

I’m done preaching for the night. At heart, I think you and I are the same. We have the best interests of the world and mankind in our hearts. We just have different views on the best way to get there

Your statement “When those kids come out of “Jesus Camp” and starting sawing off peoples heads, I will be worried.” The point is, you SHOULD be worried. These are extremists! Watch the video. You haven’t learned anything from this discussion. DW meant that extremist christianity WAS mainstream at some points in history, btw, you missed that as well. Since this is like banging my head on a brick wall though, I am going to repeat “WATCH THE VIDEO!” It’s just one example of modern christian extremists, who yes, are capable of committing atrocities.

“Maybe 90% of the kids LABELED as autistic are just brats,” Are you a medical professional? They have to see doctors and have documentation to get any assistance. All of your points are ignorant and elitist, since you deem most recipients of public assistance as unworthy of a leg up for the same chances everyone else has for a good job or decent education. If what you said was true about how prevalent this is, about half of everybody would be getting some sort of handout. It’s just not true.

filing for government assistance for the special needs child (or children) in you house who don’t need drugs but need a good spanking to behave

Beating the shit out of a developmentally disabled kid won’t miraculously cure him.

Christians burned down churches with blacks inside. Christians strung them up from trees. Christians burned crosses in people’s yards. There are still bodies we haven’t found in America because of Christians so don’t give me how they have never sunk to that level before.

Also, these kids haven’t grown up yet. There haven’t been as many generations being subjected to this type of indoctrination — yet. Putting them through the indoctrination, and filling them up with hate may have very dire consequences in the years to come. Fanaticism isn’t the providence of Islam. It’s becoming more and more a part of modern Christianity and considering the agenda SOME of these people have, it could turn just as ugly. As evidence by the few abortion clinic etc. bombings that have already occurred. A few random bombings, according to your last post, is an acceptable level of violence? Only because it has not yet reached the level as it has in some Islamic sects does not mean it can’t.

All I am saying is, watch the video, then make your arguments if you can. It’s really quite chilling.

Maybe all that “Alaska first” was because they didn’t like the way the country was heading? Now, instead of the whole seceding from the country, they’re trying to fix it from the top. So there is possibility that if she was involved with AIP, she’d be better to lead because she knows the problems that need to be fixed (well, in alaska at least).

Christianity is not this perfect group of worshipers that have the only trump on getting to “heaven”. Muslims(mainstream ones) believe their religios path is as valid as yours is to you. This statement was pretty bigoted. May I also remind you that Muslims, Jews, Wiccans, Atheists, Buddhists, etc. ALL have their rights protected by the bill of Rights. Unlike what Bill O’Reilly seems to think, it doesn’t protect just Christians. Our forefathers sought to protect the rights of practitioners of all religions.

Extremists are just that, extremists. They are not representative of the mainstream faith, ergo the mainstream faith is not responsible for them.

Please state what you are actually getting at.

Joe Vogler , founder of AIP. Not exactly a Country First sort of guy.

Also, He could be called a potential terrorist as he was killed in an illegal plastic explosives deal gone bad.
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