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Is that a boa?
Think so. Looks like one of those Code Pink nutters.
T_T… Stupid empty boxes.
DAMN YOU SANTA!!!!!
Schrodinger’s* pensions?
Until you open the box, they are simultaneously viable and non-viable.
*(please supply your own umlaut)
Aren’t these things Obama promises his followers?
The boxes are empty, like Obama’s suit.
And McCain’s is better?
He’s not as bad.
You’re right, he’s worse.
McCain has life experience, and actual legislative accomplishments.
Obama has done … what, exactly? He’s written two autobiographies but has never actually done anything of significance.
You’re trolling ability has really gone in the pot over the past few weeks. Why is that?
Wow! What an ignorant comment! Please demonstrate to us some more ignorance so that we may laugh more at your expense!
Actually, this is something I’m curious about too. What has Obama done? I think it’s a fair question. From what I have found, he worked for ACORN (a group known for obtaining house loans for illegal immigrants and fraudulently registering voters in at least 12 states), and hung out with Bill Ayers (unrepentant terrorist who bombed the Pentagon, he also set Obama up with his first fundraiser which started his political career).
Besides, since when is it ignorant to ask about the background of the man running for president?
First, McCain had associations with ACORN before Obama did. He said it was a great group and went to their fundraisers. Second, being in the same organization is not the same as ‘hanging out with.’ Despite desperate Republican lies, Obama and Ayers never had anything more than a passing acquaintance
Ya know, I do recall reading an article about how McCain shouldn’t really tread the Ayers path since he had association with very hardcore racist senators. And he was an adult when he hung out with them.
Hrm… I guess McCain did have at least a little connection with ACORN, seeing as he was their keynote speaker in 2006. That’s something I would like to know about too.
As for Ayers, there is a much deeper relationship there than Obama will admit. They served on the UIC school board together, Obama served as president of a board to disperse a $50mil grant that Ayers set up, and Obama went to a meeting at Ayer’s house after he got the first state senate bid.
You might want to double check those facts behind the “Desparate Republican Lies.”
Even the prosecutor who originally went after Ayers thinks you should get over it.
What? He didn’t tell me.
You democrats keep talking behind peoples backs…
And yet McCain is the one who couldn’t talk about Ayers to Obama’s face during the second debate…
I can’t hardly look at that goofy face either.
Hey, cobrajoe, none of them actually answered your original “what has Obama actually done?” question
You can check either the senates webapge itself to see the issues
he’s voted on. Or you can check previous posts to see the
committees/sub-committees he’s been a part or chair of…
Its been stated before, and either ignored, or not read.
Don’t you mean “may have written”? Ghost writers ftw!
Well, yes, there’s no actual proof that Obama wrote his autobiographies. Some people claim that his terrorist friend Bill Ayers wrote the first one.
But in the absence of proof that he didn’t write them, I’ll accept that Obama has, at least written two books … about himself.
Im merely stating the obvious but two books about himself trumps making himself the laughingstock/whipping boy/”oh jesus christ he’s talking again, hide your common sense or he’ll take it with him” guy on Pundit Kitchen.
Umm, you’re not stating the obvious. You’re babbling forth an incomprehensible psychotic rant of some kind.
Its ok. One day, when you grow up. You’ll comprehend it, and wonder
why you just didnt stop… when you were never ahead. Hell, you havent
even left the damn gate, son.
Come on now, EP is obviously a bot used to generate comments on PK. No one is that stupid in real life…
EP is one of the most intelligent posters on here. He does seem to get easily tired of stupid, you can’t really blame him for that.
So sayeth the sock.
You’re seeing talking socks now?
You should see a doctor about those hallucinations.
Sock is a reference to ’sock puppet.’ A sock puppet is a cheap toy made from a sock. You put your hand up its backside to make it talk. On Internet forums, a sockpuppet is an account that people suspect is being used by a person who already has another account, to make it look as though the person has more support for their ideas than they really do. You really should brush up on your Internet nomenclature.
Who’s hand is up you ?
I believe, since Seth is allegating that EP IS Obama, and that
Seth hasnt posted under a different name, nor has been the
suspect of such behavior… Id say none…
Unless by your logic… someone’s hand is up you too.. and me.
GLUURK!
EP in meltdown. Here’s something for you to consider, if Obama gets in, be it by a fraction or a landslide, it’s not the media’s fault, it’s not Bill Ayers fault, it’s not Barrack Hussein Adolf Krippen Bundy Obama’s fault – the person who will have had the biggest hand in it is one George Walker Bush Junior and the people who supported him in his one-man crusade to make the Republican party an unelectable joke by pandering to the religious far right. People like you. (Although I doubt you’re old enough to have voted for Bush, so at least you can avoid some of the blame.)
Here’s something else for you to consider, Bill Ayers killed less people than Laura Bush.
Only because his co-bombers were so stupid, they blew themselves up !!!! ROFL !!!!
Nope. If Obama gets in at all, it will be the media’s fault.
Any other Democrat would have a 15-point lead by now. That the Dems are stuck with such a weak reed, who might actually lose with all the cards stacked in his favour, is somewhat amazing.
“Nope. If Obama gets in at all, it will be the media’s fault.”
Yeah, yeah, it’s all the Liberal Media Conrpiracy taking advantage of stupid America.
Except you’d say that about any Democrat if they were the Democrat presidential candidate.
“Sure Obama has a commanding lead, but he should be leading MOAR!!! He obviously sucks!” lulz.
With this line, you have descended into the depths of self
parody.
Actually it’s somewhat of a miracle that John McCain is trailing so close as he is. The backlash from democrats after eight years of Bush should be MASSIVE. So ether one party is doing something wrong, or the other is doing something very, very right.
Now that IS the result of the media.
It’s better business for them to have a close race. So they promote various agendas to keep it closer.
They both are empty suits. One size fits all.
The boxes are empty, like Evil Pundit’s brain.
I think an anti-Obama lol may have slipped past the gates!
Only through inference and wishful thinking.
LIBRUL CONSPIACY OMG
They contained hope…and some other stuff.
EVERYTHING contained hope, until you opened it. Just like every lottery ticket before the draw.
It’s greek to me.
You beat me to it. I bet the lady’s name is Pandora.
Hope (Elpis) never got out of Pandora’s box.
It’s not often realized that hope is sometimes a bad thing, and philosophically would have been worse had it escapes the box. Blind hope is perhaps the worst illness, as it prevents pragmatic thought. For examples of this, see the extremes of any political party.
Interesting; Taoism suggests something similar. And at the heart of Buddhism is the belief that desire is the cause of all suffering.
Herb, someone sent a friend request–as Herb. I approved it, but was unable to send messages. If that was you, I’ve sent a friend request your way. Check and see if that’s it. Just wanted to welcome you aboard, if it is you.
Desire for earthly things that is, because they are temporal. Interestingly Jesus said seek the kingdom of God and all else will be given, which actually implies the same thing! I love how these spiritual philosophys relate.
Perhaps it is time for Americans to practice Taoism, and stop demanding earthly things like healthcare, social security, and food.
Forty per cent of people in this country do not pay income taxes. Yet Obama says he’s going to give income tax breaks to 95% of taxpayers. Tell me, how is that gonna happen?
Maybe it’s time for Americans to be allowed to take care of themselves again, instead of having the government use the force of arms to confiscate from the productive and give to the leeches.
If the gummint wasn’t so deep in the pockets of the otherwise self-reliant, they could take care of their own health care and retirement perfectly well, thank you. Anyone who is physically and mentally able and cannot provide their own food, absent other social factors, they ought not eat. It’s called “motivation”.
He also said he’s going to eliminate capital gains taxes on small businesses, which, last time I checked, didn’t really pay cap gains taxes……
Your thinking into the maths too far, or not far enough, I’m not sure.
95% of 60% is 57% of the people.
You just said, 95% of taxpayers would get tax breaks. Not 95% of the entire population.
Either way he has a point. If we were more self-sufficient instead of letting the government give us everything, then we probably woulnd’t be in the mess we’re in. And we’d appreciate what we have more.
That is a perspective, but I can say most certainly that if society actually was more self sufficient instead of letting the
banks give us everything, then this mess couldn’t exist in the first place.
On the other hand, if the government actually did give us everything, then the mess couldn’t exist that way either. The problem was caused by trying to mix capitalism and socialism in the one entity (real estate). Had it been all one or the other the problem probably wouldn’t exist.
You are exactly right. You need one or the other, not this bastardized version of both that we have now. It exists everywhere, not just in the major banking systems. I’m too much of a capitalist to ever think that pure socialism will work, but I’m too intelligent to think they will both work at the same time. Let’s you and I run for office together and fix this mess
An important note is that they can work together as separate entities in the same system. Socialised education and fully capitalist business for example.
Well, ya got me there. Rilly tired now so not gonna check. What I said actually made sense, whereas my memory is that what he said didn’t. Mebbe I’ll check it later. tx, r.
Obama is using the term “middle class” for EVERYBODY below 250K, which includes welfare recipients and that homeless guy that they have to tip to let them to the upscale store. According to some research I came across once, average NY bum is making around $20 – 25. He will be issued tax credit, too.
He’s misusing the stuff about people making over $250K, though. He’s basically saying that he’s going to tax small businesses more. Rich people making scads of money, sure, but also small businesses.
Facts say that very few small businesses are in this tax bracket. They sort of fail to be “small” anymore at that point.
taxpayers, not the general population. if they aren’t paying taxes they don’t get the credit. Nice stretch.
Let me guess – Libertarian?
Get off my lawn, you stupid kid.
This comment board is your lawn?
You silly adult.
THAT’S your reply? Ooh, you really pwned me.
For someone who studies eastern philosophies, your moral underpinnings are decidedly selfish. Read more Buddhism, you know, the part about dependent origination which says that nothing is a thing unto itself. Non-dualism. It seems that you are caught up in the dualistic conception of the
separate self. Seeing the self as separate, you perceive an imbalance where none exists. The illusionary imbalance requires punishment or consequences to create balance, but a non-dualistic system can not be out of balance, as it contains no fundamental division to act as a fulcrum.
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This disjunct in thinking is seen clearly in your phrase, “Anyone who is physically and mentally able and cannot provide their own food, absent other social factors, they ought not eat.” What other factors exist that might limit one’s ability to obtain sustenance? If it isn’t physical, mental or social, what is it? You are positing a self that exists on its own, having it’s own internal causes that are neither physical, mental, or social.
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I have to say: forty percent? Uh uh. Citation or retraction. Americans do take care of ourselves. We elect a government, tell them what we want, and give them taxes to pay for it. If you don’t like it, no one is forcing you to stay. You can also work through the system to change things. Force of arms, what a laugh. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to stay here.
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Taking care of others is a positive externality. Everyone benefits, no matter who pays. Because desperate people do not simply give up and die, they do desperate things. And suffering in others, to anyone with functioning empathy, is painful. Therefore, as part of our social contract, we require people to help take care of each other. Otherwise, you get the free rider problem, people benefiting from our taking care of the less fortunate, without paying for that benefit.
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Most people do not require the threat of starvation in order to work. People are not naturally that lazy, evolution could never select for that, an animal that had to experience starvation before it got off its fat lazy ass to hunt would die off. One of the most important drives in human society is the drive to be a productive and useful member. It feels good, and not having a place or a thing to do feels bad, naturally.
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People are not lazy, bad and selfish. Most of them are motivated and care about reciprocity and fairness above all else. This has been proven over and over again in recent experiments. People care more about fairness and reciprocity than self interest. Google ‘ultimatum game’ or ‘fairness reciprocity economic research,’ for more info. The ‘Selfish Actor’ theory, on which our economic systems are based, is flat out wrong.
Seth, people may not be lazy, but when you keep handing them things for nothing, they will keep doing nothing, that is a fact.
No, it isn’t a fact. If you handed someone everything for nothing, that might be true. But I am talking about handing people a bare minimum: food, shelter, water, and medical care. If everyone was guaranteed a bare minimum, but you had to actually do something useful to get more, most people would do more. The ones who wouldn’t, well, they would have been useless any way, and I’d rather pay the money to keep them from becoming even more of a liability.
My town is full of those people, Seth, and they all drive better cars than me. I’ve had people walk out the front door of my work saying “I”ll just get back on welfare, this job sh*t ain’t worth it.” And they do, get everything given to them (I’m not talking minimum requirements, either), and this is why we have the pseudo-unemployment numbers we do, and the huge drug problems here. The world is full of useless people by your definition.
Well, the world IS full of useless people. But nobody wants to vote for my stance of Issue Beatings… T_T
I do!
Me too!!!!!
Where do you live that people can just ‘get on welfare?’ What specific program are you talking about? No place I know in the US has welfare like you describe.
It’s like that here, too seth. People who don’t want to work, get welfare, gas money, money to pay for their heating bill, foof from the food bank for free, help paying rent/car pmt., ect. They’re better off than I am, and I work full time and own my own business! Seriously!
Why should they work? It’s being given to them, no actual work involved. Grrh!!!!!!!!
What is the name of the program that gives them these things? Is it a local, state, or federal program? What state is it in? Can you provide references? An official website for the program, outlining benefits and requirements? How did you, personally, find out about this program?
This is simply a statement of what people THINK they know, instead of what facts they actually have. They can’t provide references because there are noe. Yet they will continue to believe what they “know” to be true because they heard it someplace.
I myself am in a pretty bad way right now, but I still don’t qualify for assistance. The standards are dismally low. I’m not looking for a handout though I want the pride of being able to work and provide for myself, like I think most people do, even those on welfare. I’d like to be able to take advantage of the fact I have a college degree and find a good job instead of the one I have that barely gets me by these days (retail). I’m overqualified, but there aren’t jobs out there that are more suitable. I work in a large store of a major mass-merchandiser. Surprisingly, there are many more adults working there than students, many with education, like myself. All I want is an opportunity to use my intelligence and education and show my abilities.
Unfortunately the opportunities just don’t exist right now.
It certainly isn’t that I am undeserving of a better life or that I’m unwilling to work for it. I find that sort of speech extremely classist and elitist.
Minerva, I know they are full of it, there are no such programs in America, people. I love how these outright liars don’t just parrot back the lies, they embellish them with personal details. “Oh yes, I see these welfare queens all over my town, driving their Cadillacs and eating their foi gras.” And then you ask them for specifics, what program? What state? Requirements? Benefits? Anything? And then they disappear. They will never admit that they flat-out lied, though.
lol @ Seth
Ok, I know that I really shouldn’t respond to this because it will get me flamed by people who aren’t in this situation and don’t see what I see, but it’s a combination of getting a job for a couple of days and filing for unemployment after either quitting or getting fired, filing for foodstamps and showing that you have more than one family living in your house whether you do or not, filing for government assistance for the special needs child (or children) in you house who don’t need drugs but need a good spanking to behave, filing for college assistance, getting it, and then quitting after getting the first check in your hands, filing for government housing assistance for the home that you can’t afford because a lender gave you a loan that will balloon up into payments you can’t make, filing for assistance to get the car that you desperately need to get to work at the job that you intend on quitting after a few days………
It’s all over the place here. It’s a lot of work to get these programs, but once you’r ein the the system it’s a matter of just refiling when it becomes convenient to get the money again.
You can also claim more children on your income taxes every year, and it’s only been recently that the IRS has cracked down on that to the point that they require a SSN for every child for whom you file. I personally know three people in the small department I work in who used to file with 5 or 6 dependants who can’t do that any more because they only have one child each.
This town has a huge drug trade. This type of business is done under the table, so no taxes are taken out and no income is reported. Therefore, these people come to work to prove they have ’searched for a job’ to qualify for assistance when they leave this job, because they don’t have a legitimate source of money coming in.
I didn’t make a claim and run away with no facts. I have a job to do and limited access to a computer at work.
I really did want to reply to the overarching motif of your post, but this line sticks in my eye like a nasty splinter:
filing for government assistance for the special needs child (or children) in you house who don’t need drugs but need a good spanking to behave
Beating the shit out of a developmentally disabled kid won’t miraculously cure him.
Michael Savage said that 90% of children with autism are really brats who weren’t put in their place. Pay no attention to his complete lack of a medical or psychological background, he must be right!
I’m not trying to imply that all children with behavoral problems are not developmentally challenged. I know for a fact a lot of them are. But there are a lot more kids who would benefit from stricter guidlines and more discipline instead of being medicated to the point of dementia. My mother teaches developmentally challenged pre-K students, everything from autism to cerebral paulsey (sp?), and she has a couple in her class who are classified as developmentally challenged in order to get government assistance and for no other reason. If the kids are left off their meds, they behave just fine. It’s a clear-cut case of Munchausen’s Syndrome by Proxy if you ask me. It’s a form of abuse. And for those same parents to use the label of developmentally challeneged in order to get government assistance makes my blood boil.
And Michael Savage is wrong. Maybe 90% of the kids LABELED as autistic are just brats, but real autism is a serious problem that cannot be medicated or spanked out of a kid. (I’m saying this as a person with a mild form of autism)
I don’t know about where you live, but people in my state don’t qualify for unemployment after working for “a couple of days”, nor do they qualify if they quit. You have to be fired or laid off. Also, the employer can still challenge paying out the unemployment if they feel justified they shouldn’t be paying out on it. Like Seth said, do you know the name of any of these programs or what the requirements are to participate in them?? No, the standards are rediculously low, and they do require documentation. You can’t just go in there and tell tehm I have 18 people living in my house and I only make 12,000 per year and they give you a handout. Are there some that cheat the system? Sure. it’s an imperfect system that would be almost impossible to implement with NO cheaters. The cheaters though, are not the majority.
“Maybe 90% of the kids LABELED as autistic are just brats,” Are you a medical professional? They have to see doctors and have documentation to get any assistance. All of your points are ignorant and elitist, since you deem most recipients of public assistance as unworthy of a leg up for the same chances everyone else has for a good job or decent education. If what you said was true about how prevalent this is, about half of everybody would be getting some sort of handout. It’s just not true.
In MN, it’s possible to get something called MFIP that is assistance that can last for five years. There’s also WIC, which I believe is a federal program. We have general assitance, cash assistance, food stamps, energy assistance, medical assistance, emergency assistance. In working at the Department of Revenue, I’ve been on the phone with many people who have been on assistance (usually disability) for years. The programs are set up in a way that make them almost impossible to get off. For example, a woman is clinically depressed and can’t work. She gets medical assistance that gives her the money for medication. When she has the medication, she’s great and wants to work, but if she works, she loses the medical assistance and can no longer afford her medication. That makes her suicidal and unable to work again. Same for disability. Some of the programs here have such good benefits that it makes more sense to stay on them rather than get a job.
You have to understand I come from a low income part of the state in which I reside, and there is a LOT of abuse of the system. A LOT. As far as me being a medical professional, no, I’m not, but if you’ll go back and reread my post (and the part you reposted), I never said that truly autistic or mentally damaged kids are the problem. I said the parents who are using the system are the problem. I have seen too many mothers come into a school system with what they deem to be a challenged child, and completely rape the school for all its worth. It is far to easy to find a willing doctor, or one who is too haranged to care (not the majority, before you flame me), who is willing to label a kid as something he isn’t because the mother is too much of a harpy to realize the actual damage she is doing to her own child. This is the same process used by the OxyContin junkie who goes from doctor to doctor to get what they want.
And yes, down here it is that easy to get food stamps and other government support, because the system of checks and balances is so ponderous and behind that it takes a while to catch the cheaters. In the meantime, those cheaters go and spend $1500 in the grocery store (I was the cashier at the time) on name brand food items, all the while bragging about the amount of money this was going to get her when she sold it from her home. It’s basically free money.
I agree with you that some assistance is needed. There are truly damaged and needy people in the world, and they really do need a hand up. The miscreants and (pardon my foray into the bluer aspects of language) dipsh*ts that populate my town and the town in which I grew up ruin it for the rest of them.
As far as needing to be fired or laid off at a job to qualify for unemployment, not around here. I found out two days ago that if someone is fired or quits from the place I work, they have up to six months of unemployment that they can be eligible for without needing the employer to document it. Also, the channels for which we could protest the unemployment are notoriously slow and frought with red tape.
This might not be the experience of everyone. But don’t discount my experiences and things i see with my own eyes just because it doesn’t fit into the cute little mold you have of the world. The people around me love handouts, and will take whatever is offered instead of working for it. It’s frustrating, and it really makes me question my line of work sometimes. I’m no longer a cashier as I said I was before, but in my new line of work I see the same problems. It makes me bitter, sure, and it makes me question things. This is why I feel that socialism won’t work because I see too much of it already in everything around me, and it’s dragging this place down.
*sigh*
I’m done preaching for the night. At heart, I think you and I are the same. We have the best interests of the world and mankind in our hearts. We just have different views on the best way to get there
Under some circumstances, the system is flawed enough for this to be true, the medication one for example. I had a roommate years ago who had a similar circumstance. However, the arguments above are blaming the people. Calling them lazy, etc. The programs are well intended, and many of them work for the purpose they are supposed to, and no, they aren’t that easy to get on.
“When she has the medication, she’s great and wants to work, but if she works, she loses the medical assistance and can no longer afford her medication. That makes her suicidal and unable to work again.” If we could reform the programs as a path to bettering one’s situation, a leg up, as they are intended, they can work well.
Obama said in his acceptance speech “Our government should work for us, not against us. It should help us, not hurt us. It should ensure opportunity not just for those with the most money and influence, but for every American who’s willing to work.”
and “I believe that, as hard as it will be, the change we need is coming, because I’ve seen it, because I’ve lived it.
Because I’ve seen it in Illinois, when we provided health care to more children and moved more families from welfare to work.”
We need to stop blaming the people who need it, reform the system to catch the cheaters who exploit and correct the problems like the medicine one.These people aren’t the majority.
I think that government should stay the hell out of our lives, personally. Stay up in its ivory tower in Washington and play with itself, and leave the daily living parts to us. Wipe it out and start anew, similar to the way that a good forest fire will rejuvenate the land.
But I digress
That was me, btw.
I’d love to continue any number of political-cum-philosophical debates with y’all (including ema, who brings a whole new angle on the idea of a love-hate relationship
) but, simply, I’ve imbibed a few too many stouts to type with cohesion.
((Actually, that last bit came out nicely; it’s not the nature of my language, but the complete lack of cohesive thought I posses in the process that makes Drunk-o-Posting ill advised at this time…))
He who desires nothing shall have what he seeks.
In a bed with Ron Paul.
Sounds like an Obama supporter !!!
Well, at least he won’t be dissappointed!
WE’RE DOOMED.
What’s gonna happen when Obama’s $40 billion in tax increases can’t pay for his $800 billion in promises?
He’ll blame racism.
does that statement make sense?
The correct answer is point… laugh… and move on.
It does if you have a brain.
You forgot “non-functional” before the brain bit.
EP also forgot “small” before the brain part.
GLUURK?
Yes. Obie’s campaign is placing anything negative said about him at the foot of racism, i.e., “playing the race card”. Great! The more he does it, the more he looks like Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakhan, Wright, and the rest of those racial arsonists who make African Americans so appealing to the rest of civilized society.
I pray that you guys realize that BHO is the racist radical we’ve been warning you about before it’s too late.
Dud, Obama hasn’t mentioned race at all in a VERY long time. He has never relied on it. He didn’t even put his background on his Harvard law application because he wanted to get in on merit.
You are really good at repeating extreme right talking points. Even McCain admits a bunch of it isn’t true anymore. Drink more kool-aid. You’re just like EP except with a slightly more civilised tongue and a better vocabulary.
I didn’t say Obama, I said “his campaign”–which would include all Democrats in an election year, as well as his lackeys in the media. I just spent a few moments Googling “democrats cite racism against obama”. If you are intellectually honest and play around with search criteria, you will come up with much more. Here are some samples:
“. . . the McCain campaign is playing a dirty game–using racial codes in their rhetoric, specifically Sarah Palin. Their tactics are desperate, unseemly and patently racist.“They are trying to throw out these codes,” said Representative Gregory Meeks, a Democrat from New York.”
“”Racism is alive and well in this country, and McCain and Palin are trying to appeal to that and it’s unfortunate,” said Representative Ed Towns, also from New York.”
Even Dems who are likely to vote against Barry are being labeled as racists.
“WASHINGTON (AP) – Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks—many calling them “lazy,” “violent” or responsible for their own troubles.”
And now the caveat before you spout off . . . from the same article:
“Lots of Republicans harbor prejudices, too, but the survey found they weren’t voting against Obama because of his race. Most Republicans wouldn’t vote for any Democrat for president—white, black or brown.”
Don’t remember seeing you on here before, so don’t know if you’re a newbie or a sock puppet. What little I’ve heard doesn’t suggest that you have the honesty required to investigate this impartially. I’d love to be proven wrong.
So, how come when Obama made his comment about putting lipstick on a pig the Republicans went into a poltiically correct tantrum and started playing the sexism card, but when McCain said they were going to “Whip Obama’s you-know-what” no-one sunk as low as to make accusations of racism about a white man saying he was going to whip a black man?
It’s because the GOP are perpetual victims, everything is seen as them being oppressed by the media, by the internet, by Pundit Kitchen. Maybe if they could stop their bottom lip wobbling for a second and stop being so weak and pathetic they might actually be able to, you know, come up with some POLICIES and actually take some responsibility instead of blaming their woes on anyone and everything else.
But then they wouldn’t get to whine on and on about losing and the liburul media, and racism, and, and, WAH!
Eh, maybe if the Dems weren’t out there trying to suck up every little bit of power by any and all means, the GOP (along with the rest of us who don’t really care for dirty politics, or politics at all) wouldn’t always feel like they’re getting the long end of the shaft.
Dirty politics? So stirring up the sheep-like rabble to the point where they shout “kill him, terrorist,” etc. is the Dems fault?
How about the racism card being thrown everytime I say that I don’t like Obama? Can’t I detest him for other reasons than the color of his skin?
Who’s doing that? Most of the bloggers here haven’t been saying that. The talk about the issues, unless something blatantly racist is said, like”Obama’s an Arab.” That statement is racist against both Obama and Arabs. Fact. If you are consistently getting racist accusations thrown at you, perhaps you should look closer at what you’ve been posting?
How is it racist to say Obama is an Arab? It’s merely uninformed, not racist.
It is stating he is an Arab as a slur, denoting offensive stereotypes to both parties. That is racist and uninformed but that is technically redundant.
I dislike Obama on his own merit. There are many, many things he has said that I do not like, and the few that I do like, I doubt he’ll follow through based on what I have seen of his character.
As for what I say on this comment section, if it’s not opinion, I will only say it if I know it’s true. Granted, sometimes I do not know the whole truth when I post the comment.
Which is fine, hate him because you hate his policies. No worries from me and I will continue hating Palin and McCain for their policies. Good times.
Dude, did you pay any attention at all for the period between 1995-2007?
1995-2007 = Republicans controlled House
1995-2001, 2003-2007 = Republicans controlled Senate
2001-2003 the Senate shifted control a few times.
1995-2001 = Dem prez
2001-2007 Rep prez
Who is trying to suck up every little bit of power by any and all means, now????
Actually…
They’re both trying to suck up every bit of power they can. But to me it seems like the Dems try to play more to peoples emotions, and as we know, emotions can override rationality.
Maybe that’s why some of the Dem attacks seem so extreme and occasionally underhanded. (Remember Jill Greenberg’s “professional” photographs of McCain?)
lol wut? Reps play up nationalism and religion to play to people’s emotions. Look at how they’re trying to paint Obama as a terrorist and a muslim. And look at all the knuckledraggers that believe it!
Who is trying to paint Obama as a terrorist? (I’m curious)
I haven’t heard that rumor since early on in the Dem Primaries.
It must have been the Clinton’s…
Maybe it’s just the crowd I hang around, but the people I
talk to can give specific reasons why not to vote for Obama,
but the other people who like Obama can’t give me a better reason
for not voting McCain other than “He’s Old.”
Go and look on Snopes at the emails flying around saying exactly that – or that he’s the anti-christ, or he was sworn in on the Koran, or he’s not elligible to be president, or that he’s a muslim sleeper agent for Al Quaeda.
cobrajoe, several people at McCain/Palin rallies have yelled out such things as “terrorist!” “communist!” “kill him!” etc when the name “Obama” shows up.
McCain and Palin have done nothing at all to discourage this practice, which is clearly over-the-top and scary.
Also, there’s the whole “guilt by association” thing — Obama knows Ayers, who used to be a terrorist 40 years ago, so therefore Obama must be a terrorist!
Ah, yeah, most of those have been out for a long while, and disproven a long while back.
And yes, there are some out there who are ignorant or just plain stupid enough to start rumors such as this based on his middle name or his ethnic background. Just the same way that people started rumors about Palin just because she was
from a small town in Alaska.
I need to look over some more of that site, it’s really quite interesting.
markmier, so far as I’ve heard, the extreme anti-Obama chants were only a few people at one rally, and McCain himself got booed because he tried to set them straight.
As for the “guilt by association,” the info that I’ve found leads me to believe that there was a bit more than just an association between them. Also, the bombing didn’t disturb me much, just the fact that he’s completely unrepentant and “wishes he could have done more.” Not to mention that Ayers described himself as “a radical, Leftist, small ‘c’ communist,” and Obama served on the UIC education board with him.
And McCain has served on the Senate with charlatans and bigots. Your point? Did Obama have a choice with who is on the board and what was the board’s mission statement?
Is the mission statement of that board he served on with Ayers linked to terrorism or something completely unrelated?
If we keep going down this road, I will have to dig up the Alaskan Independence information that Palin is linked to. You know, the woman who is under the banner Country First while knowing a man who wants to ditch the American Government… Let’s not play this guilt by association game. Nobody gets out of it clean.
No the rallys where people have shouted these things have been very recently. Palin has continually been saying Obama “pals around with” domestic terrorists. It’s deliberately misleading and playing the fear card to…people’s emotions. The “stirring up” has gotten so bad, McCain has been called on the carpet for it. it has been backfiring for him in the polls, as it only reiforces those wingnuts who were voting for him anyway. He has this past week, taken the microphone from someone at a town meeting that started spouting these same slurs and corrected his follower, saying “no ma’am, he’s a good family man” and another statement of “you don’t have to be afraid of him being president.”
Also, which “rumors” about Palin are you talking about? The fact that Wasilla is the crystal meth capital of Alaska, that she abused her power as governor, that she charged rape victims for the investigative materials rape kit? All true, and verifiable.
McCain’s response to the woman who called Obama an Arab was interesting – “No ma’am, he’s a good family man.” The implication is that Arabs are not?
What’s wrong with a state seceding? If they feel that strongly
then they should, but they should not expect to keep reps in
the US government, nor should they expect help from the
same government. Besides, the Alaskan Inde Party seems
more like a state orientated libertarian party to me.
As for Palin’s rumors, I was referring to the people saying
that she attempted to ban books at a library, that she would
overturn Roe vs Wade, that she would force abstinence only
sex ed in schools, and other non-sense like that.
A person who is part of a group trying to secede from the government isn’t somebody who is putting their country first and definitely not somebody I want anywhere near power in said country.
Ergo, if Palin is part of that movement or associated with that movement, she isn’t fit to lead the rest of us.
“I’m an Alaskan, not an American. I’ve got no use for America or her damned institutions.”
Joe Vogler , founder of AIP. Not exactly a Country First sort of guy.
Also, He could be called a potential terrorist as he was killed in an illegal plastic explosives deal gone bad.
query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940CE3DB153CF936A25753C1A962958260
Plastic explosives could be fun. I’m sure he was just buying them for recreation.
Maybe all that “Alaska first” was because they didn’t like the way the country was heading? Now, instead of the whole seceding from the country, they’re trying to fix it from the top. So there is possibility that if she was involved with AIP, she’d be better to lead because she knows the problems that need to be fixed (well, in alaska at least).
Some might say that they only want to secede in order to drill in ANWR?? etc. etc. They have some pretty wacky issues on their website. There is a link to Pravda on there that has a bit more of the anti-American stuff on it.
Lol, are you too stupid to realize that the GOP also wants to suck up every little bit of power?
Derr… I’m an idiot! I should go vote for Obama!
Double win for me then.
Hey, if you win in your mind and enjoy it, then that’s great.
Excellent, I will join you in living a life of delusion.
Heck, lets throw aside these two-party politics and join the Pot Party!
Hey man, it’s called the Marijuana Reform Party. How are we supposed to be taken seriously if you just call us a bunch of potheads? Want some Funyons?
Dude…. I loled.
I don’t live in America. But EVERY impression I get about your media has been right wing. FOX may have something to do with that, though…
McCain actually MADE the same comment “lipstick on a pig” comment about Hillary earlier in the campaign, but it was no big deal then.
It is a common phrase in American politics and has been for decades at least. It is the timing of the utterance that is at issue. To his possible credit, Obie may not even have been thinking of it that way (he hasn’t been around that long). But someone on his team put knowingly it in his mouth.
Keep on praying to your magical sky man. I’ll keep on living in reality instead of the land of hyperbole, strawmen, and fear.
“magical sky man”? Isn’t that Obama?
Only in the minds of scared conservatives trying desperately to build a strawman.
He IS “The Chosen One” !!!!!
I’m pretty sure it’s mostly the Republicans who have been trying to deify Obama on these boards and then attribute it to the dems.
Maybe on the boards, but not in the media!
The media is mostly owned by a few wealthy companies/businessmen, many of whom lean to the right. Take Murdoch, for example. The supposed “liberal media” over the last few months, has been covering Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers , Tony Rezco, Hillary as a dirty politician, etc, etc. Obama and Hillary (during the primaries) have been put through the wringer by the media.
There are relevant stories about the Keating 5, Alaska Independence party, Troopergate, Ignoring subpoenas for ongoing investigations, Some outright lies by the republican ticket. But these have all been on the down-low, if they are covered at all. Or, at worst, laughed at or dismissed entirely by tools O’Reilly and Hannity. Both members of the republican ticket have now essentially been given “bad judgement” rulings. McCain on the keating 5 and Palin with her abuse of power findings. Why is this not in the media? You can bet 100% that if this happened on the Democrat side, it would be. There has not been a “liberal” media, or even an unbiased one in the mainstream for many years. Your theories don’t hold water.
The media is biased and often unethical, but I think they pander more to what will get good ratings, rather than one party or the other. They were quick to jump on Clinton, but eager to make fun of Bush.
So maybe the liberal bias is really just a bias against the Repub president.
There’s a bias, but not toward one party or another?? So they are impartial to both parties then? see my earlier comment. Shown to not be true. No, I’m not the final word on this, but if you do some research, you will find a lot of examples of why there is no liberal bias.
Funny that the satire about Obama being deified is so close to the truth of how Bush was treated – ever seen Jesus Camp when the wingnuts indoctrinate kids to worship a life-sized cardbord cut out of Dubya?
Brilliant, just brilliant – if it wasn’t for the religious right’s bastardisation of the GOP there’s no chance that a guy like Obama would be heading for the White House. Thanks, God Squad!
Yes, very scary. The woman running it essentially said that they needed to create [indoctrinate] their own holy army, because the muslims were doing it. She is basically creating Christian jihadists to fight in her “holy war”.
Sorry, got carried away. Only muslims have fanatics and indoctrinated zealots.
Are there any videos of them sawing off anyones head? Yea, didn’t think so…
Bombing abortion clinics and killing those doctors is fair game tho.
Christians have denounced those actions and those were only a few isolated incidents and those people were punished for their actions. They didn’t tape them torturing any of the doctors or dissmembering any of them and send them around to other Christians either.
And mainstream Muslims have denounced the actions of Muslim extremists, what’s your point? You don’t think there’s videos of doctor killings nd abortion bombings floating around? Just because you haven’t seen them doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Sorry ema, the mainstream Muslims have denounced those acts. You’re struggling here.
Where those terrorists that created those videos ever brought to justice?
If they have, good. If they haven’t still doesn’t do anything for your point. Now I just need to find your point. You do have one today right?
If so, that would be a rare day indeed.
Before you’ve seen the documentary in question, you shouldn’t comment on it. Furthermore. They are indoctrinating young kids. Most aren’t old enough to be out on their own, let alone overpower someone in order to do this. The point is, they are sowing the seeds of extreme hate and intolerance. This is dangerous in any religion because of the things it can lead to. They are deliberately creating an “army for god’s war.” Supposedly for a time when it is needed.
Did you even read my whole post? The woman organizing this said in her own words that because the Muslims do this type of indoctrination, that they should do it too. She’s probably not the only one either. She’s just the only one caught on tape. Religious fanaticism is dangerous in any religion, particularly “revealed” religions because of their absolutism. All three main Abrahamic (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) are particularly vulnerable to this type of dangerous extremism.
I haven’t seen the video, but let me just ask you, do they teach the children that they should torture Muslims and video tape it as a terror tactic?
Do you know that Muslims DO teach their followers to do this either? Christians can indeed be just as fanatical as Muslims. Individuals actions may or may not be attributed to what direct instructions they have been given. Sorry to break it to you. Indoctrinating kids to hate creates a mindset that allows for justification of who knows what kind of atrocity. Not ALL Muslims are extremist. They could be your doctor, your retailer, your factory worker. People trying to make a living, same as most Christians, in this country or any other. They are real people, not a stereotype.
We are talking about fanaticism though, and that is what is dangerous in any religion. I suggest you watch the documentary before you make more assumptions.
Do mainstream Muslims teach their kids to torture and kill Christians? Seriously ema, this type of tactic is beneath you. You know they aren’t. Extremist Muslims are like the KKK to Christians. A psychotic and radical group who are denounced by the mainstream of their faith.
I am waiting for you explain why you are trying to paint all Muslims the way you are? I am sure you know all about how the KKK did their thing and if not, you’re deluding yourself.
I am talking about those Madrassa schools that are spreading an extreme form of Wahabi Islam and they are being funded by Saudi money. That’s the movement those beheading videos came out of. They are being funded all over the world, Indonesia, Africa. The Saudis don’t spend all that oil money on infrastructure in their country, or social programs like we do here. Where did I say it was mainstream Mulsims anyway? I am not trying to paint a certain type of person with any brush, this is an ideology it’s not about race or culture. Yes, they do teach infidels should be killed and their goal is a worldwide caliphate. There is absolutely no equivalent in Christianity. The KKK was squashed by our government and civil rights movement and rightly so.
you just said “Muslims” and did not differentiate extremists. Maybe not intentional, but still lumping them together.
This “Jesus Camp” was just that sort of indoctrination training. They blind these kids to anything else in the world. Most of the kids were home schooled as well, so they really didn’t get ANY exposure to the outside world. How are they not supposed to come out of this system warped. They were not teaching these kids peace and love. they were teaching them Christian dominance at whatever cost. This is wrong on so many levels. Any one of these kids could snp one day and commit who knows what kind of atrocity.
Christianity is far from perfect. Nor is it the one “right” religion. Like I said before, any “revealed” religion is too absolutist to not create radical zealots. The abortion clinic bombers are a good example of this and are indeed an “equivalent”
back to the original post that started this debate also. The Jesus Camp people also teach the kids to try to get other Christian zealots like them into political office. They have an agenda.
The abortion clinic bombers, like I said before were isolated incidents and they were all punished. The muslim extremists calling for a world wide caliphate are very coordinated and well funded. They are also working to get people into political office here and abroad. I don’t know anything about the “Jesus camp” but I’m pretty sure they don’t approve killing random “infidels” or teach the children that.
Not so isolated since it has happened more than once. The Christian extremists are also calling for a world wide rule, your point?
No, they are NOT orgainzed like Muslim extremists are, where is there was a central organization that was sending out Christian terrorists to bomb abortion clinics, not happening. Just because several people got the same idea does not mean they were organized. Even if that was true, that “organization” has been squashed by our government. No they do not want to take over the world. They may believe they will in the future but that would be when Christ returns so it is out of their hands according to their faith.
True, they aren’t organized like the Muslim extremists because our government was better able to root them out. Still waiting to how this leads to Muslims being evil or what your inevitable point is going to be.
Extremists are just that, extremists. They are not representative of the mainstream faith, ergo the mainstream faith is not responsible for them.
Please state what you are actually getting at.
You kinda are painting yourself as a religious yahoo now. I’m not claling you that, but this argument is silly. It contradicts your points about the muslim extremists. You do NOT know that there are no underground Cristian extremist groups in operation. ORGANIZATION isn’t what makes extremists dangerous anyway. A lone bomber is dangerous. Sorry to burst your bubble, but Christians can be just as dangerous as Muslims when we are talking about extremists.
Christianity is not this perfect group of worshipers that have the only trump on getting to “heaven”. Muslims(mainstream ones) believe their religios path is as valid as yours is to you. This statement was pretty bigoted. May I also remind you that Muslims, Jews, Wiccans, Atheists, Buddhists, etc. ALL have their rights protected by the bill of Rights. Unlike what Bill O’Reilly seems to think, it doesn’t protect just Christians. Our forefathers sought to protect the rights of practitioners of all religions.
sorry about spelling, PK cutting off the side so I can’t edit properly.
Oh for crying out loud!! You refuse to see my point, how can I make you see it? I have already told you I am not talking about all Muslims, or a race or a culture, why can’t you get that? I have already stated my point up there in my posts. You can be so stubborn sometimes. Where the beheading videos, the 9/11 attacks, all the suicide bombings and beheading of Indonesdian school girls to name a few incidents just made up shit or did they happen? Do they continue to happen? Are they equivalent to anything that happens in “Jesus Camp”??? Are they equivalent to a few random abortion clinic bombings that were immediately dealt with by our government and condemed? I dont’ think they are, that is my point.
Dam, PK ate my damn post.
no, I get your point, but you are expressing it in an extremely biased toward Christianity way. What I was saying, and I think DWN and SETH, etc, were saying, is that Christians are just as capable as Muslims of comittin atrocities in the name of their religion.
Also, these kids haven’t grown up yet. There haven’t been as many generations being subjected to this type of indoctrination — yet. Putting them through the indoctrination, and filling them up with hate may have very dire consequences in the years to come. Fanaticism isn’t the providence of Islam. It’s becoming more and more a part of modern Christianity and considering the agenda SOME of these people have, it could turn just as ugly. As evidence by the few abortion clinic etc. bombings that have already occurred. A few random bombings, according to your last post, is an acceptable level of violence? Only because it has not yet reached the level as it has in some Islamic sects does not mean it can’t.
All I am saying is, watch the video, then make your arguments if you can. It’s really quite chilling.
sorry DW and Seth if I made andy presumptions mentioning you.
No that was pretty much my point. I am not denying what Muslim extremists have done. Never said they didn’t do anything. I AM saying that Christians are working on pulling the same crap. I am saying we need to nip it in the bud on our side.
Christians are not pulling or working on pulling the same types of thing. You have not convinced me of that at all. Nothing you have told me about what they do in that camp comes anywhere near it. Sorry.
Neither are Muslims, which you are continuing to refuse to recognize. It is extremists and they exist on both sides. I’m done since you are refusing to remember history. Christians have a history of genocide and torture. That isn’t even the extremists. Inquisition, Crusades, KKK, Witch Trials, etc, etc…
Christians burned down churches with blacks inside. Christians strung them up from trees. Christians burned crosses in people’s yards. There are still bodies we haven’t found in America because of Christians so don’t give me how they have never sunk to that level before.
Just wondering, why don’t you use the word “extremist” Christians? You do with Muslims and have insisited I do as well. Do you think all mainstream Christians are responsible for those things? The ideology behind Wahabi style Islam, which is what I am talking about is an extreme form of Islam and is not even close to Christianity in it’s most evil incarnation. When those kids come out of “Jesus Camp” and starting sawing off peoples heads, I will be worried.
AMEN SISTER. And I say that in a non-sarcastic way
I agree with everythign you just said. If you’re going to insist that we say ‘extremist Muslim’, then you have to say ‘extremist Christian’ as well. I believe that I pointed out in another post on another thread that radicals is radicals no matter what they are.
Thank you!
Still missing the point. Sure, put the label Extremist in front of anyone who performs these atrocities. You are still stubbornly refusing to acknowledge that Christians can be extremist in this day and age.
Your statement “When those kids come out of “Jesus Camp” and starting sawing off peoples heads, I will be worried.” The point is, you SHOULD be worried. These are extremists! Watch the video. You haven’t learned anything from this discussion. DW meant that extremist christianity WAS mainstream at some points in history, btw, you missed that as well. Since this is like banging my head on a brick wall though, I am going to repeat “WATCH THE VIDEO!” It’s just one example of modern christian extremists, who yes, are capable of committing atrocities.
Because stirring up the rabble to scream racist taunts at rallys is what the McCain campaign has been doing. It backfired and now McCain has had to backpedal and talk about being respectful. Really the McCain campaign has been the only ones to prey on racism as well as ignorance. Obama has been trying to stay on the issues.
The point of the statement by EP is that it doesn’t make sense.
I’ll have to declare Marshal Law.
I think the real Obama knows how to spell martial. Just a clue.
Oops! Didn’t have my ghost writer…
Damn, too stupid to even troll properly.
I’ll try and do better…
You’ll have to try a lot harder. While you’re at it, could you please GTFO my lawn?
ain’t that Palin’s job?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasma_Escritor
Dunno, what happened when Palin said she’d increase spending to support families with Downs syndrome and then McCain contradicted her by saying there’d be a spending freeze when he got into the White House?
The left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing on the McCain ticket, they’ve got no ideas, no plan and no clue how to go about anything – weak, ineffective and hopeless. Good job they’re in self-destruct mode.
I think no matter what, we’re screwed. It just comes down which one will make less of a mess.
I like the last box: Greea Jobs. I want a greea job. Right now, I only have a great one.
It’s supposed to be “Green” jobs.
She’s carrying empty boxes of promises, just like all the ones every other politician has given out. They promise the world and hand you s**t after they’re elected.
Well, it’s like the old saying,
“Give a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man to fish, he eats for the rest of his life.”
Here, both canadites have promised to give away fish, like a bad parrent refusing to chastize their whiney, spoiled kid. >:(
Give a man a fire, he is warm for a day, light a man on fire, he is warm for the rest of his life.
Nice!
I concur, old bean. Capital notion, jolly good time!
Ha ha! Sorry, I know it’s wrong, but the way our economy and election is going, I couldn’t help but laugh. I won’t be voting(gasp!!) yeah, I know, call me part of the problem. But you know, the way I see it, we’re screwed no mater who gets in the white house. If you want to be honest, both are handing out those empty promise boxes. And while it’s neither candidate’s fault necessarily that we’re in this mess, we are. Come up with an actual plan on how to make it better- not empty promises! Great, you’re gonna cut taxes, you’re gonna bailout the banks…. and the rest of us are left in the street, with unemployment, while someone’s living in the white house! Neither candidate can honestly say they know how the middle class lives, or what their problems are. Is either candidate loosing their home? Facing layoffs? losing their retirement fund, or trying to scrape together enough to pay for heat this winter? No. No. No.
So, how are they qualified to help me? Because they can raise millions of dollars, own several homes, and can lie through their teeth, while smiling all the while? Give me a candidate who isn’t rich. WHo admits they don’t have all the answers, but is actually working to find a solution, not getting their face on
the news, kissing babies. Then I’ll vote.
I would like it if the candidates would stop asking me for money with almost every ad I see.
True, I can relate, but they all have to keep paying to keep their message out there up til election day.
True but the 50 dollars being asked for in those ads is a week of gas for me. So no, not pleased with it.
Yeah, I can’t afford to donate either. I guess it just hasn’t bothered me as much. I have been ignoring it.
I am just tired of being reminded that I’m nearly broke all the time. -_-
yep, you got me there!! LOL
Obama came from a middle-class family, and got his education with student loans. He DOES have a plan, and has for almost 2years. See his “Blueprint for America” on his website. Sure no one has all the answers, but your expectations are too high if you think someone can. Obama is still more in touch with what Americans on Main Street need. (he only has one house, btw) If you do real research in order to vote as an informed member of the electorate, you will discover this.
No, I’m not brainwashed either. I was raised by republicans, and even (regretfully, now) voted for Bush first term. It was only after I started to become educated on what is going on in the system, and really finding my own information that I became a democrat. I never blindly follow what anyone tells me, I make my own choices and have discovered that the democratic platform more accurately (no, not perfectly) represents the things I find important to me.
Maybe you”ll come up with a different conclusion, but there’s no reason to give up hope altogether.
Oh, sure, he’s JUST LIKE ME. o_O I seriously doubt we have ever had the same problems in life. And notice, I didn’t attack your candidate, so save the buckets of crap for someone who cares to listen. Neither one has a decent, resonable plan. Oh, yea, both have plans that sound good on paper. Going to increase healthcare, decrease taxes, jumpstart the housing market and save the economy. Blah, blah, blah. Looks good on paper! It’ll work! NOT. Remember, socialism and even communism sounds great on paper…… but it doesn’t work. Run the numbers from you dream candidate’s plan… I guarantee that the numbers won’t add up. You can’t cut taxes, yet spend more money. That would be like me working 30 hours instead of 40, and trying to go out and buy an audi. Nice pipedream. Now it’s time to wake up!
And you would know what kinds of problems he’s had how? It wasn’t a bucket of crap. I’m sorry you’re so bitter. Obama’s plan at least has ways to PAY for the programs he’s proposing. McCain’s does not. No one ever said there was a perfect candidate.
Did you even read all that I wrote? I’m a realist. And yes, I’m plenty old enough to vote. Have been for over 16 years now. Nothing wrong with having a little hope. That doesn’t make me stupid or naive. It just makes you bitter.
Light a man on fire? Literally? I wouldn’t use such a comfy term as warm…
Yeah, Kindulas, but they seem to be looking for anyone to give that fish to EXCEPT the American public.
ice army, all I can say is — RIGHT ON! You hit the nail on the head when you pointed out that both parties do the same thing, say anything to get into office then back out of everything. I voted for Bill Clinton, who campaigned on health care reform and no NAFTA (and I forget what else). Guess what? As soon as he got into office, he told us that there would be no health care reform, and soon after that NAFTA went through. Now all of our jobs have gone to people in other countries, most of us are underinsured (if we have health insurance at all), and the economy is circling the drain.
And you know what? I’m registered as a Democrat, so Clinton was supposed to be the good guy. Sigh.
I’m writing in Ron Paul this time around. I just don’t think either Clinton or Obama has any real intention of doing anything to help this country once they’re in the White House. Maybe I’m wrong, but Ron Paul at least seems like he honestly wants to make some changes.
Thank you! Honestly, I’m so tired of people trolling. I seriously hope that like 90% of the people here aren’t old enough to vote. (Banging head on wall) I don’t know why I try. Holding a candidate responsible for promises after they’re elected is like trying to get a five year old to confess that they broke the lamp, not the dog. Sigh. I would move to israel, but I still have family here. Not saying it’s better over there, but at least I can carry a gun openly.
..oops, I meant to say McCain or Obama. I guess I really do feel they’re all alike, it doesn’t seem to matter WHAT name I type. (Now I know someone’s going to get really mad at me about this…)
Sorry, it was just a typo!!
I know what’s in those boxes: More Taxes!
There will have to be! Those things cost money.
Just like the Iraq War and handouts to failing companies!
Those didn’t come in boxes, silly.
They come by the truckload.
I loved Howard Stern’s bit where they went to Harlem and were proving that voters there were voting for obama only because he’s black. They asked people if they were voting for BHO because they agreed with his policies of more troops in Iraq, pro-life stand (and other McCain beliefs) and they overwhelmingly said “Oh Yeah !” !!!!!!! It’s hysterical !
Just like all those people who are voting for McCain only because he isn’t black. “It’s called the WHITE house for a reason.” “OMG Obama’s gunna play RAP MUSIC in the oval office!” “He’s really an ARAB and all arabs are BAD!” Racism win!
How is the truth “Racism”? Get a clue !!!
Spoken like a true racist!
You’re right, it isn’t racist to tell the truth, the truth can be racist though. The truth of the matter is that there is a decent number of people who are hesitant to vote for a black man just as there are plenty of people who plan to vote just to get a black man into office.
So how is the truth so offensive to you when there is racism admittedly on both sides?
If you’d like to see some of the geniuses who will be voting for McCain, you can click my name for a youtube video. Voting should be pretty easy for these guys, seeing as I think they all sign their name with an X anyway. Do you think those folk have a wide understanding of the issues they’re voting on?
“(and other McCain beliefs)”
LOL, McCain “beliefs”, that’s a good one – he’s both for and against those issues depending on which day you ask him about it.
Unfortunately, there are too many of these, and others like them that believe all the hate-speech coming their way. That one guy on the back was at least smart enough to cover his face and try to get the woman to be quiet.
Well, the problem is obviously lack of regulation. Hate is a valuable commodity and shouldn’t be squandered like that. I suggest they make a daily video featuring their enemies that they could all hate on. Two minutes should be long enough.
WTF are ‘GREEA JOBS”. Am I missing something????!
Green?
I know I’m posting this on the wrong blog, but that dude in the vest in the background Totally Looks Like the fiddle player from Scythian.
What the hell is a green job? o.o