the new Republican Uniform for 2008
the new Republican Uniform for 2008
(Arnold Schwarzenegger)
picture: dunno source, via our lol builder. lol caption: JMonschke
Show Only: Democrats | Republicans | Media | Military
« Previous Wtf was THAT?!?!?!? | rude awakening Next »
» 326 comments
-
Recent Comments
Marv on Mrph furmer miff Jack on Al Qaeda mystery message … me want pie on Lolrus Nooz jessipup on It seems the inflight mov… The Amazing Rando on GOD HATES FAGS Bearfoot on Wanna walk into a bar obladi on GOD HATES FAGS mabsba on ABSTINENCE Patriarch Green Bear… on ABSTINENCE The Amazing Rando on ABSTINENCE 
Cheezburger Network Blog
Seems like something obama should have worn after the flagpin incident
I think the idea was that blind patriotism isn’t what makes you qualified for the presidency.
I think Obama was expressing the ideas of his preacher for 20 years, Jeremiah Wright: “God d4mn Amerikkka!”
Evil,
Has anyone ever told you you’re a repugnant piece of elephant dung and that they’re tired of your stink on this chat board?
Well, consider yourself told.
:::sprays Lysol:::
Would rather read EP’s nonsense than yours. At least he does not spew hatred towards other Americans. He may be a hopeless partisan “Evil Pundit” but I’ve never seen him proclaim his hatred for another American. Dislike at worst.
What drugs are you using…they must be really good because you have no touch with reality.
What are you referring to? EP is just a harmless nut. This other guy, a few posts down, talked about how he literally hates Republicans.
EP = PK’s version of Ann Coulter.
MAnn Coulter.
There, fixed that for you.
she does totally have an adams apple doesn’t she?
‘At least he does not spew hatred towards other Americans.’
Except for liberals, Democrats, homosexuals, immigrants, etc…
Admittedly I usually just glaze over his nonsense posts, but I don’t recall seeing anything like that. Guess I ought to read closer.
Prove it, DaftPyramid, or be known as a liar.
And put him in the stocks in the town square!
There’s going to be a spanking? Oh goody!
Umm, unless those Americans are liberals… then he breaks out the firehose of crap and spews away…
Well, the reason is the last part of how you spelled America…that kkk piece, a pretty good indicator that the person spelling it that way doesn’t believe in America. Oh, and believe it or not… in the 70’s racial tensions were pretty high ( *understatement of the year* )and in the 80’s everyone ignored the issues hoping they would go away. They didn’t.
He’s quoting Jeremiah Wright, who referred to America as “Ameri-KKK-a”.
Yeah, I know. I lived though it. For instance, I know that that spelling was rampant throughout the racial tensions of the late 60’s early 70’s when hatred bloomed on all sides. I remember and was unintentionally involved in massive race riots where violence struck for no better reason than the color of one’s skin. To post things of that nature, especially when not knowing the history is foolish, to do so knowing the history is an attempt to reawaken those divisive times and is in fact UnAmerican.
*cough cough* *hack gasp* must…*cough* …warn… *cough hack* …Reverend Wright… *hack* …not to incite racial riots through inflamatory statements from the pulpit while at the same time not adhearing to the separation of church and state! …*hack cough gasp*
Whew!!
I agree with you that people should not post things without knowing the context thereof. I also firmly believe that fanning the flames of racial bias in order to get an unqualified candidate into office is also wrong.
Especially from the pulpit. Leave the hatred to the bloggers and teach the Word of God.
tell it to the multi-million dollar evangelical fox-news subsidiaries, then lecture about churches backing unqualified candidates, such as the current administration. same the drama for your high school play.
I have attended some conservative churches in my day, and I have attended some liberally slanted ones. I have never heard hatred and vitreol spewed from the pulpit of a conservative church. Nor have I heard the race-baiting and victimization of minorities coming from conservative pulpits. What I hear from Jeremiah Wright’s church belongs in some underground Black Panther rally, not from a place where the word of God is supposed to be taught.
“I’m not going tell you who to vote for, but if you vote for this particular person, I question your salvation. I’m sorry.”
“I hate criticisms towards the President,” he said, “because it’s like criticisms towards the pastor — it’s almost like, it’s not going to get you anywhere, you know, except for hell. That’s what it’ll get you.”
“Judgment is very real and we see it played out on the pages of the
newspapers and on the television. It [was] very real when a
Palestinian from East Jerusalem took a bulldozer and went plowing
through a score of cars, killing numbers of people. Judgment — you
can’t miss it. “
“AIDS is not just God’s punishment for homosexuals, it is God’s punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals” Jerry Falwell
“The ACLU has got to take a lot of blame for this. And I know I’ll hear from them for this, but throwing God…successfully with the help of the federal court system…throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools, the abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked and when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad…I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who try to secularize America…I point the thing in their face and say you helped this happen.” (Falwell)
— “I totally concur, and the problem is we’ve adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government, and so we’re responsible as a free society for what the top people do, and the top people, of course, is the court system.” (Robertson) – Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson on the 700 Club, Sept 13, 2001
Both were often guests of Presidents and high level GOP politicians.
And don’t forget the guy from Kansas who likes to protest soldiers killed in action.
Ok, now which one of those bigots (and I mean that in the truest sense of the word) is the personal spiritual advisor to a guy who is running to be president? Visitors to the White House maybe, idiots definately, but which one of them has been a “mentor” (Obama’s words)?
And I’m being sincere. I really want to know. I’m set in my ways, but that doesn’t mean I can’t accept something if it comes with enough actual fact behind it that I can’t refute it.
The moral majority put Reagan into the white house, along with many congressment, including Sen Dan Quale of IN, later to become VP. They leading members of this group, along with the Christian Coalition have had enormous influence on the entire GOP, not to mention the current President. However, my original point is as follows:
1. unless you are present in every instance you can only infer what has occured.
2. Just because someone know’s or even allies themselves with someone else, doesn’t mean they are a clone.
3. Anyone can collect statements, misuse them (half-truths) and imply (inuendo) things not true.
The problem with you and your friend’s methods are that they offer nothing constructive and are merely destructive. Par fot the current course of conservative thought that has been hoodwinked by the most judgemental group in existence — modern, conservative, hatefilled, Polit-Christians.
Your logic is slightly flawed in that:
1. unless you are present in every instance you can only infer what has occured.
(You don’t go to a church faithfully for 20 years and not know what is being said from the pulpit. Evangelicals and churchgoers are notorious for leaving after “small disagreements”, to the point that I have seen families leave a church over a woman praying out loud in church. I’m not going to judge that because I don’t agree with it, however, it goes to prove my point that if Obama had not agreed with Jeremiah Wright on most of what he said, he wouldn’t be going to that church.)
2. Just because someone know’s or even allies themselves with someone else, doesn’t mean they are a clone.
(It’s a proven point in history that you are known by the company you keep. Especially someone like Obama, who doesn’t have a proven track record in anything yet. The only way we can know how he really thinks is by who he chooses to associate with. It took my sister getting in trouble by association to really understand this. She’s never taken a drug in her life, yet had the people she was choosing to spend her weekends with been arrested for the variety of drugs they were ingesting, she would have gone to jail and been known as a druggy simply because she was there during the raid.)
3. Anyone can collect statements, misuse them (half-truths) and imply (inuendo) things not true.
(You are exactly right. It happens on both sides of the issue, and I think it’s dispicable. In this case, however, these quotes come from recorded sermons that Wright was selling (as some churches do), and were taken in context. Whatever Jeremiah Wright and I disagree on, I respect him because he hasn’t wavered in his beliefs. He has never really taken these statements back, he’s just tried to spin them to make them less inflamatory. He should not be the personal spiritual advisor to the man who is running the country, however, especially in light of his decidedly anti-American views.)
The content of Yup’s post came from the pastor of a church Sarah Palin went to for over 20 years. I invite you to scroll up and reread it, it is right before Charlie’s post of Jerry Falwell.
Citation, please? Source?
Saying that there is judgement everywhere you look is a decidedly different thing than saying that America is evil (inference, sorry) and deserved what it got on 9-11. This reference seems to be about another country, not the one in which the pastor resides.
It is in scripture that criticism of a pastor (the Lord’s annointed, which arent’ always the same thing) WILL get you serious spiritual consequences.
To whom is the pastor referring when he questions your salvation? Which candidate? These quotes are cherry picked, and offer no clear view to what he was actually saying. You’re going to have to do slightly more than a copy/paste to change my set ways
I’m being sincere, as I said in another post. I am perfectly willing to change my mind, but there has to be some concrete evidence for me to do so.
One pastor said that America got what it deserved on 9/11. The other said that Israel and the Jews are getting what they deserve by the constant terrorist attacks there. Difference?
Unless he was born and raised in Israel and is still an Israeli citizen, there is no comparison. Jeremiah Wright was born and raised here, and is attacking his own country.
I didn’t say I necessarily agee with the pastor’s cherry picked statements, what I said was that they aren’t comprable with Wright’s America-hating beliefs.
Lolz, who’s doing the cherry picking now?
It’s not cherry picked if it’s quoted in context
)
(I love you, frank
What about when that disrupter,
that terrorist,
“Jesus”,
assaulted the money exchange
in the temple grounds?
Is assault worse than words?
Not to be confrontational, but have you actually read that passage of scripture? The moneychangers were illegally collecting and overcharging for sacrificial animals, and misusing the temple. Jesus was doing no more to those people than a homeowner would do if he came home one day and found strangers selling off all of his posessions.
I feel that Jesus would do the same thing in many churches across the nation if He were to come back in the same way He did before, but that’s beside the point.
Jesus preached peace, but wasn’t afraid to use an offensive strike to keep it.
That was my favorite Jesus story, btw. “I am the son of God and I will issue-eth a rope smack-eth down.”
So it’s UnAmerican to repeat the things that Jeremiah Wright said?
What does that make Barack Obama, who sat and listened approvingly to “God d4mn AmeriKKKa” for 20 years?
how many of those sermons did you attend? since the answer is most likely zero, than you really don’t have a clue what he listened to for 20 years, do you? Oh….wait for it…I feel a click my name coming on….
No, I’ll save your fingers the trouble. Here are some direct quotes.
If you believe Obama attended this church for twenty years and regarded Wright as a mentor, without hearing any of this stuff, you have a credulity problem.
— In a sermon after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001: “We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye,” Wright said. “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.”
— In a 2003 sermon, he said blacks should condemn the United States: “The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, God damn America, that’s in the Bible for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme.”
— Promoting Obama’s candidacy in a sermon last December: “Barack knows what it means to be a black man to be living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people. Hillary can never know that. Hillary ain’t never been called a n—–.”
The Rev. Jeremiah Wright has delivered the sermon “Confusing God and government” many times. Here are some of the historical claims made in a 2003 recorded version of that sermon:
The government invented the AIDS virus as a means of genocide.
The government infected black men with syphilis in the Tuskegee Experiment.
The government knew Pearl Harbor would be attacked before it happened.
Despite your continued use of half-truths and innuendo, you failed to demonstrate the veracity of your statement that Obama sat and listened approvingly for 20 years. Again, were you there every Sunday for 20 years?
How are direct quotes from recorded sermons half-truths? Especially when he’s kept saying this after it came out on the national stage?
No one goes to church every Sunday for 20 years. But either Obama is the worst church-goer in the world (which he can’t be, because Jeremiah Wright is his “mentor” and spiritual guide, and baptised his children), or he doesn’t pay attention on the Sundays he does go. Do you want a president who doesn’t pay attention, or one who pays attention and then lies about paying attention?
Same question…were you there? Did you observe Obama sitting approvingly every Sunday for 20 years listening to those exact quotes every week? Half-truths, the governement did use black men as labratory rats in tuskegee in order to test the full impact of syphilis and as a result many black americans do believe that the government invented the AIDS virus. What about promenent evangelicals who claime the same storms and events that EP quoted were God’s revenge for homosexuality?
Do you seriously believe that Obama attended Wright’s church for 20 years without ever hearing about any of the things Wright said on a regular basis?
Seriously?
That’s really grasping at straws.
Kind of like Reagan and his friend Falwell, or the current Administration and their evangelical friends.
Never heard Falwell say ” God Damn America” or blame blacks for murdering whites. That’s like comparing Ghandi and Hitler.
But it’s ok that he blaims 9-11 on pagans, the aclu, homosexuals etc? Sure Falwell didn’t say God Damn America, but he’s said some things that are just as bad, if not worse.
I don’t know about the others, but for sure the ACLU! Don’t you know that they’re the cause for 99.9999999% of the problems in the U.S.?
And before I get a tongue lashing, I was only kidding.. about the 99.9999999% anyway.. I do believe that the ACLU is the cause for a lot of the problems though.
Actually, the government DID infect black men with syphilis at Tuskegee. Its been well documented and the government has fessed up to it.
dick
That’s untrue.
The government found black men who were already infected, and observed them without actually treating them.
It was wrong and racist to do that, but it is a lie to say the government infected them.
I don’t know how a thoughtful and fair person can read those quotes and not feel they have some validity.
Except for the Tuskegee experiment- the men in question already had syphillis; all the white researchers did was NOT TREAT THEM AND NOT TELL THEM THEY WERE INFECTED! That way, they could continue to spread the disease amongst their (presumably, mostly black) lovers.
That’s because you are not a thoughtful and fair person. You’re a liberal.
You need to be reminded that those are not mutually exclusive points in the slightest.
I always thought “Fair and thoughtful” and “Liberal” were practically redundancies.
I don’t think he ever said “God Dfourmn (deform?) AmeriK-K-Ka”, actually…
If I remember correctly, he in fact did say that on a video I saw of the sermon.
Charlie, I’d just like to say… I think you rock!
Thanks, B.V. I hope that you read this, I’ve been somewhat distracted lately.
leaves a big ol Cleavland steamah on EP’s chest…
And there’s a problem with patriotism?
There’s a problem with your reading comprehension? The comment was about BLIND patriotism.
Ok, you’re right and that was a trolling comment from me, I do apologize. However, seeing this particular picture does not conjure up an image of blind patriotism, just someone who is grateful for the opportunity the country has afforded them. Let me ask you this, what do you think when you see someone who has a flag in front of their house, every day of the year and not just the 4th of July? What do you think when you see someone with a flag decal on their car? Does the image of Blind Patriotism jump to your mind?
Eddie, if you get the chance, check out my post way below. However, I agree with you thoughts on patriotism for the day-to-day American… the problem with politicians is their inability to do things right. When a politician wraps themself in a flag (or flag pin, or notes the lack of pin on their opponent, or gets a bigger, more sparkly pin), then you ought to sit back and say, hmmmmm.
The only thing about that, Charlie, is if you go and look at pictures of the country’s leaders, each and every one of them are in front of a flag or flags, and some have pins (either sprarkly or not so sparkly). When I see these, I don’t immediately think “Faker”, but feel that they are trying to evoke a sense of patriotism. I personally don’t have a problem with it, regardless of what side of the aisle they’re on.
remember, patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. (Tom Paine).
I think we was referring to the British though..
But if the shoe fits…When the opponents (on either side) start spewing their way is the only patriotic way to act, we all should stop short and ponder.
As a scoundrel, I find that comment offensive.
Kurt, Kurt, Kurt.. what comment DON’T you find offensive?
That one.
Yes, covering yourself in symbols does not make you a patriot, fighting for American ideals makes you a patriot.
And with that I completely agree!
Fighting for American ideas. Even if it means fighting against the American government.
Remember, Patriotism is love of your country, not your government.
Precisely, I was never fond of the whole covering yourselves in symbols anyway. Or the flag laws. Sounded too much like idolatry which is supposed to be a sin yet I see tons of religious people doing it which evokes my hypocrisy gag reflex so I just avoid any kind of flag waving.
Fighting for American ideals?? Oh right that’s what Iraq is about. Silly me.
Exapnd your focus and you will a better idea of the bigger picture. We’re not talking about only Iraq.
i fight for american ideals, but not in the military (not starting that line again). you can do any manner of ways, through volunteer organizations, working for your party, working to better your community, trying to make change in systems that have gone stale.
I didn’t read his comment as “join the military or your not a patriot”
Good, because that’s not how I meant it. If anything, getting paid to kill people makes you less of a patriot.
I can’t think of anything more patriotic than being willing to die for what your country stands for. That is the pinnacle of patriotism.
I prefer making the other guy die for his country’s ideals, hehehe.
I agree with you, ema. Being willing to make that sacrifice should never be cheapened.
There is a difference between being willing to die for your country and being payed to kill people.
Well, you’re mincing words here, being paid to kill people by the government also generally means you are willing to be killed for the ideals of that government.
Let me put it this way, is there a way to be willing to die for your country without having to kill other people in the process?
You could jump off a cliff while screaming “VIVA LA REVOLUCION!” I suppose, but that might be counter-productive.
Become and astronaut?
(*&#($#@*&@(#$*(.
*AN.
I didn’t mean ‘fight’ as in physically, with the military. Iraq has nothing to do with American ideals.
Apart from spreading democracy and protecting the innocent.
How’s that democracy spreading going in North Korea or Africa?
Since when is ’spreading democracy’ an American ideal? Even if it was, don’t you think there are much more efficient and peaceful ways to do it than barging into a country, killing everyone in our path?
OOOps. You just went above about 99.99999999% of the Republicans head.
God knows their brains are only good for keeping their craniums from collapsing.
Yeah. You can’t counter with facts or plans that will work in the real world, sooooo…you just call republicans stupid-heads. Third grade next year? Bet you’re excited. Gonna show off your new lunch box?
It has STICKERS!!!
Out of curiosity, what’s the difference between blind patriotism, and… non-blind patriotism? Are you saying there’s a time that Americans should not be patriotic?
It would appear so since I got called up on it.
I did look it up (hence my retraction) and basically Blind Patriotism are those that say things like “America, love it or leave it”, “America, might makes right.” and other such cliche’s. So while I don’t see Arnold as a Blind Patriot, I do recognize the fact that he loves his country. And that, I think, is a problem for some around here.
Yeah… I don’t know where Arnold has ever said any of those things, so I’m not sure that really applies to him. Displaying the flag certainly isn’t “blind patriotism”. Though wrapping oneself in it is kind of hokey looking, it has a lot of possible, and very fitting meanings for Arnold.
Displaying the flag is not any sort of sign of patriotism, it is a sign that either, a) you just want other people to think that you’re a patriot, or b) you don’t want to think or take action, you know, real patriotism, so you just wave a flag and call it good.
So displaying the flag is never appropriate?
I never said that, I said that displaying the flag never makes you a patriot.
No, but it can certainly be part of the equation. Someone can be a patriot without it, but someone wearing one doesn’t mean they’re a “fake patriot”.
It means that at some point they decided that the most important thing they could do was to go get a flag pin, or decal, or whatever.
Two planes hit the WTC. The next day Senator Smith shows up wearing a flag pin. That means that at some point in the preceding 24 hrs Senator Smith thought finding a flag pin was going to make more of a difference than any of the other things he (or his aide) might be doing instead.
Getting that pin sure didn’t help the people at ground zero, it didn’t help
find bin Ladin, it didn’t help figure out why our intelligence failed.
The main thing it does is make Senator Smith look patriotic.
It seems to me that real patriotism would have been spending
every second of those first few days doing something more
productive than going out and getting a flag pin.
Of course, for some of those people it was just a matter of wearing a pin they already had handy. Two extra seconds to dress in the morning is nothing. But all of them? Seems unlikely.
The sad thing is, if they hadn’t shown up wearing the flag pins, you guys would be slagging them for not doing it.
Yes, republicans would have been bent out of shape if they didn’t wear little pins.
I’m sure he did other things besides gettng a flag pin, they probably aren’t that hard to find and it doesn’t mean he thought it was the most important thing to be doing either. Wearing a pin like that is a symbolic gesture and a show of solidarity with the rest of the country after the terrorist attacks. It’s a symbol all of us can get behind, it has no religious conotations, nor political, gender, race, etc, at least it shouldn’t. It’s probably the one symbol (flag) we can all agree on and get behind, that’s what flags are for. Bringing the country together under the symbol of the flag also showed the terrorists that we aren’t divided as they thought and we weren’t going to crumple which is what they probably hoped would happen. I sure hope it will stay that way.
To be fair, he probably had a minion/lacky/flunky or whatever you want to call them, go out and get a pin for him. Other than that though I agree that having a little piece of enameled brass didn’t make any difference whatsoever.
Hmm.. sorry, I gotta disagree with your assesment. For example, my father who served in three wars (WWII, Korea, and Vietnam) was extremely patriotic. He would go out every morning and hoist the colors (Navy people can appreciate the reference here), smartly salute the flag and do the same in the evening. Nobody, and I mean absolutely nobody, would ever have questioned his love for flag and country. If you think that displaying or waving a flag extolls some ultra-vurtue on a person, you would be wrong. People who display or wave a flag may honestly love what it stands for.
I think a lot of the bad feelings towards people who display the flag is simply an assumption on the part of the person who sees it. They ASSUME the person just has a flag to one-up someone else, and that they feel they are more American than everyone else. I always give people the benefit of the doubt. I’m never going to assume someone is trying to be some kind of fake patriot until I see them acting in a way that would make me think so.
My boss (who is like a second father to me at this point), has a flag in his yard. He has for years. He expected his children to put the flag up every morning and take it down properly every night. One night they forgot. When he got home he told the girls “There is an old lady at the door wanting in.” The kids didn’t get it until the oldest looked out the window and saw the flag waving proudly in the dark. She hung her head, and she and her sisters went to show the proper respect to the flag. They haven’t forgotten since.
This is not ‘fake patriotism’. This is very real respect for what the flag stands for, and for what it means to the country.
I do not agree with all of the uses of the flag. But I feel that it is my job to ensure that the flag still stands for freedom (to quote a song), and that freedom includes doing with the flag what you will. If you hate the country enough to burn a symbol of it, however, perhaps there is another country somewhere else you would prefer to be.
An honest question … when I was growing up, I was taught that appropriate ways to dispose of the flag included burying and burning. Am I incorrect? Just asking.
You are correct. Burning is an acceptable way to dispose of the flag. The type of burning I have a problem with is burning the flag in order to protest the nation. There are other ways to protest that don’t include destroying the symbol of a country.
Thanks. I do agree with showing respect for the symbol of the country.
While I would never burn a flag as a form of protest, I personally beleive that banning flag burning as a form of protest, or banning ANY form of protest, is an affront against the United States Constitution.
There should be a Constitutional amendment banning Madeline Albright from participating in a nude PETA protest !
If you’re bored/interested in rules for the care of the American flag: http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html
Exactly the right way to do it. Thanks to your dad and his service, America is what it is today, the land of opportunity.
Thanks Charlie, I know if he was here today he would salute you for your contribution as well (as do I, but then you already know that). I will say it isn’t just those who have served in the military that have made America what it is. There are plenty of people who have done just the most basic of things like showing compassion to their neighbor in a time of need that also contributes to what America is (or least should/could be.)
You’re right. Ever Read Democracy in America by Alexis de Tocqueville? He came to that conclusion around 200 years ago, to bad many people don’t read what he wrote. Here’s a new one, click on my name for a website.
I may have but I don’t recall the title. It’s been ages since I’ve read Tocqueville. Thanks for the reminder though. I’m going to have to hunt that one down again.
Wow! Your dad sounds like a man I would respect a great deal, as long as we didn’t talk politics!
Thanks PM.. I will say this though, the generation my dad came from seemed to have a whole different take on America. I think in a lot of ways it chaffed him a bit after all that he gave for the country. But I will say this, his country gave back to him what he gave in the end.
What really bothered me, is that after 9/11, suddenly EVERYONE had a flag. There was this commercial even it shows a nice quite neighborhood street with on house with a flag and it says “September 10th” then it faded to black and came back saying “September 12th” and EVERY house had a flag.
I call that “Pop Patroitism”. No one cared until we got attacked, no though about, but suddenly, EVERYONE had one. On one hand, I do acknowledge that it might’ve been trying to cause some sense of awakening patriotism, but on the other hand, it left a bad taste in my mouth. It was just “cool” to have a flag now. My dad and I go out and buy a new flag every six months because the one we display every day gets battered and torn. We’ve been doing that since I was a kid. I saw that commercial happen in real life on my street, we were that one house on September 10th. We are now once again the only house with a flag. Those other people? They let thiers rot and fade and replaced it with something decorative when they felt like it.
But that doesn’t make me or my dad a patriot. The flag is a symbol. I don’t pledge allegiance to the flag because I’m NOT in allegiance with the flag (and I’m athiest and don’t like saying the “under God” part, it doesn’t feel right to espouse something I don’t believe in). I believe in the Constitution, and the Declaration of Independence, I belive in this country and what we are supposed to stand for,. I respect the flag, but I don’t worship it.
I meant “no one though about it” in that wierd sentence towards the top…
YAY!
I’m not a Republican, but I actually like Arnold, especially if he keeps to his word and upholds the marriage allowance in CA and blocks Prop 8 (which doesn’t look like it’ll pass anyway). I agree with eddiepscetti on this one.
but I do think its a cheesy picture, lol. why is he so angry/frowny looking?
He’s angry because so many republicans consider him a RINO.
He’s Arnold, if he tries to show any other expression, he gets facial cramps.
He just took it away from a Taliban member who he beat the crap out of for trying to burn it !
Because in a perfect world, he could have been president instead. XD
You have witness the brilliance of Republicans: McCain was sacked!!! Republicans had no time outs in the forth with 41 (days till election) seconds to play. They are down by 10 (polls). McCain is not getting up. “What in the hell!” yelled Obama and the Dems, “He didn’t even get hit that hard!” ”Stop the tape…STOP THE DAMN TAPE!”I said.
What just happened? In football, if there is an injury on the field, even in the case where McCain’s team had no time outs, the clock stops, until the injured player is taken off the field; it buys the team, with the ball, some time to reset. Here’s what happened:
The McCain camp was sinking in the polls: the economy, McCain’s campaign managers ties to Fannie Mae as late as August 2008 (yes, last month), the Palin phenomenon fading as more Americans learn more about her. They did what anyone would do in desperation; they faked an injury on the political field of play, to stop the clock, to change the subject once more. “Reset the clock to the day following the Republican Convention,” the referee announced. (This is where Gov. Palin enters the scene last time) “They are trying to steal the game!” exclaims the Obama bench. “Look! Chris Rock is here,” Larry King said. “You damn Right Larry! What the hell is going on? Why is Bill Clinton in the Republican huddle,” said Chris. (Meanwhile back on the field). “You gotta take the sack now John” the coach said with an angry demeanor. “But, but”, said John. “TAKE THE *%# $#@^ SACK!” said the coach. “McCain is sacked again!” rang out from the press booth. “TIME OUT, TIME OUT!” yelled the Republican bench. “We don’t have any time outs left coach; we have 47 (the tide began to turn) seconds left; however, the fundamentals of our team are sound,” McCain said. “What in the hell are you talking about now John McCain? Lay your ass down! You are supposed to be injured.” said Mitt Romney. McCain has to wait on play out. (Back in the huddle just moments later) “Now Let’s recapture that Maverick, Reformer image again,” McCain said in the Republican huddle “Break!”
This is why Republicans are good a winning elections. They create suspense: Palin and now a campaign suspension ploy. Let’s see how their campaign bounces back now. Fasten Your Seat Belts!
Explanation: This picture has none.
If he was a Democrat, he’d be standing on it. Like Bill Ayers.
Yerp, cuz them librul fa**ot, pinko ni**er-lovers, they hate Ammurca, an’ our freedom, dagnabit! Love it or leave it!
You’re so cute when you’re trolling with a 50 year old political propaganda strawman–do they sell stuffed animals of you?
Click my name for a picture of Obama’s terrorist friend, Bill Ayers, standing on an American flag.
Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn and Jeremiah Wright all hate America, and they are all the inner circle of the Democratic candidate fir President.
Even if any of that were true, does “Loving America” qualify you to be president?
Why would you want to be president if you didn’t?
Nope, but NOT loving it should certainly DISqualify you. I don’t think any President should be able to honestly say he doesn’t love his country. Am I wrong on this?
Not in my opinion.
No, but “Hating America” should disqualify you to be President.
“Naturally the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
~ Hermann Goering
Ooh, Godwin!
So, you can either paste quotes, or defecate on people? Real quality poster here. Come up with some thoughts of your own, drone.
there seems to be an echo in here… A really regurgitated one….
How about hating the way America is and wanting to change it? Because that’s the way I feel about it, and I think that’s the way Obama feels about, and even in some sense the way Reverend Wright feels about it.
You don’t become president because you feel this is a crappy country and you hate it. You become president because you love this country, and even though it has its problems, you can work hard and get the country through the rough patches. Hating America means you should probably move to France.
Tired old whine about France WIN! Pass the freedom fries, stooge.
I’m tired of old bad French wines…
You seem like the wine in the box sort of chap.
Only in large quantities…
They do stack well.
Not loving your country does not automatically mean you hate it. Being unhappy with the way things are currently run and wanting to do something about it can be the biggest call to public service for some people. Also, the people who hated America enough to use planes as bombs lived in America, and in fact moved here specifically for that reason.
Also, I can hate how this country is run and how it currently works, but that doesn’t mean that I hate the ideals and fundamentals that it once and should still stnad for. I hate that we haven’t and can’t live up to the promises that we have made and the image that we put forth, but that doesn’t mean that I hate those promises and image. And if I thought that it was truly worth it, I would run for president in 16 years to change the things that I hated.
Nope, in the minds of some if you hate anything about America you’re automatically a terrorist.
Uh huh, and refusing to worship symbols, and instead attempting to better the country in real, practical ways instead of fake, symbolic ways is evidence of ‘hating’ America?
My, that’s classy.
Has been for about 150 years…
Am I the only one who is completely repulsed by this?
I would hope so.
nope, because one shouldn’t drape oneself in the flag (and for the record, it pisses me off when ANYONE does it, right or LEFT). I tolerate clothing with flag replicas, but I’m not a fan of people ‘wearing’ the actual flag.
Sorry, that’s just a little Type-A for me. I see absolutely nothing wrong in displaying the flag, however one chooses to do so. I do have a problem with people setting the flag on fire though.
But that is a proper way to dispose of a flag.
Also, not directed to eddiepscetti but people in general, there are a number of rules and regulations for the flag, one being “The flag should never be used as wearing apparel.”
Click the name for more.
I think he’s referring to people burning the flag in either protest or ignorance.
You’re right about the disposal, but there is the correct way and doing so during a demonstration isn’t it. As for the apparel part, this in reference to an actual flag being made into (i.e. altered) into any form of clothing. In the case of Arnold above, he merely has it around his shoulders and is not being used as actual wearing apparel.
But it also defines the flag as anything looking like, resembling, or easily identified as a flag. Such as the Bank of America logo, which was used as one of their examples. It could be extended that draping oneself in a flag resembles wearing it, but I digress because I honestly don’t care what Arnold does with his flags.
As for burning a flag, I stand by the Supreme Court in that it is protected speech and I am not one to restrict that, whether I agree or disagree with what is being said or how it is being stated.
This is what I was referencing but too tired to phrase it better -_- Thank you
I’m not sure about that. Being wrapped in a flag can have a lot of symbolic meaning that adds a lot to a photograph. Especially for an immigrant like Arnie.
“When Facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” –Sinclair Lewis
No, it will be carrying a banner called “Hope and Change”.
Yeah, the guy against the excesses of government control is the guy who’s the facist. Good call.
Obama is a fascist. He has repeatedly tried to use government control to shut down dissent, as well as urging his followers to do likewise.
When Facism comes to America, it will be in the form of “Political Correctness” and “Affirmative action”.
I tend to think it has arrived in the form of bandwidth caps.
WTF is a bandwidth cap?
You talking sarcastically, or do you really want to know?
How are bandwidth caps fascist?
I don’t think they are.
Exactly — Bob you are right on the money in your reference to the evangelical/ televangelist political action movement.
gifts EP yet another Cleavland Steamer on da chest…
You really ought to see a doctor about that, kid.
ZM- got quite a bit of froth foaming around the lips there… Did they cut your meds?
If it were a Democrat in the picture…would it be the Russian Flag they were wrapped in? Perhaps the Cuban? To be honest, it’d probably be the old Nazi flag…the socialism they so preach is what they will end up with.
Godwin
Amen.
I’ve always been a little shaky on the particulars of Socialism vs Facism, but isn’t facism a far right-wing extremist notion while socialism is a far left-wing extremist concept? I.e.: Hitler and Mussolini were Facists, Soviet Russia and Marx are Socialists.
Please correct me if I’m wrong.
The main difference between socialism and fascism is how they deal with business. In socialism, the government controls everything in its entirety. In fascism, the companies have a bit more independence, but they are still ultimately either 1) controlled by the government, or 2) they are the government in that they control it but the majority of the people don’t bother to realize it.
In the case of current events, our government is “bailing out” some of these businesses and it’s supposed to be a good thing. Nobody is really commenting on the fact that the Democrats are currently supporting what President Bush’s administration is doing, while Mr. Democrat-in-Republican-clothing is stating that what they are doing is wrong.
Communism, Fascism, Socialism; these are all very similar when it comes down to the root causes/beliefs. There are only minor differences, but it’s enough for them to hate each other (i.e. Russia and Germany back in WWII-era).
We have always been at war with Eastasia.
We have always been at war with Eurasia
We have always been atw ar with Uranus
UGH! FAIL!
“at war” not “atw ar”
Getting 1984 refference FAIL.
After watching an Obama commercial slamming Pailin , I realized we just had our “minute of Hate”.
But the McCain commercials slamming Obama aren’t hate?
Did you even get the reference?
To me, it all boils down to being far-anything, be it left- or right-wing, is a bad thing. I don’t consider myself a Moderate, because straddling the fence doesn’t give you anything but crotch pain, but I don’t think I could ever see myself going past the midway between Moderates and extreme right-wingers. Let’s just say that I have issues with all of the candidates
And facism. And socialism. And anything that is at its core one of those two while masquerading (sp?) as something less scary.
I respect your opinion there Froofrou (Even if I dont’ respect the goofy name
) You support a candidate, I’m guessing McCain based on your other posts, correct me if I’m wrong, but you realise, AND admit that your candidate isn’t perfect.
He and I have major issues, in fact
However, I have a heck of a lot more issues with the other guys.
As far as the name, I was being made fun of for the type of adult beverage I enjoy, and the nickname stuck, lol.
I can’t make fun of the name then, cause I like…. I mean a good friend of mine. Yeah, a good friend of mine likes the fruity chick drinks.
The congress is bailing them out because people like Kerry and Pelosi have a lot of money invested in, and received donations from, these companies.
If you believe that only democrats are getting donations from big corporations you’re an idiot.
Didn’t say they were , Libtard!
And yet those were the only two you mentioned, douche!
As Obama’s polls slip, the Libs resort to childish namecalling and worsening smear tactics. Be very afraid of Pailin- be very afraid !
Oh? Has Rove called them out on their smears yet?
Seriously, did you and Evil Pundit go to some sort of seminar where they teach you that tactic? It appears to me you threw the first name. Then when someone responds in kind, you cry victim.
Where did I throw the first name ? You Liberals are always inventing some insult to give yourself justification for acting like a**holes.
Libtard isn’t a name?
That came after being called an idiot- oh wait, “There is no insult, Neo” !
I see. I got hung up on the whole “if” thing.
You mean the polls that are shifting back in Obama’s favor as he focuses on issues while McCain n’ friends misinterpret comments in order to make the dems look bad?
Yep, unfortunately those polls.. *sigh*
You’re not far off, click my name for relevant picture.
What? There are no conservative anarchists? There has to be at least one…
Ah, the McCarthyist Godwin. Gotta love the trolls who can’t come up with new material but once a century.
Feh, I’ve always found pictures like this to be particularly tacky.
I just can’t bring myself to hate Arnie, even though he’s a Republican.
He has proven to be a true Maverick, unlike McSame. He’s got good ideas.
I find your hatred puzzling. I can understand somewhat the hatred of someone who has done something to you personally, i.e. hatred of your rapist, but hating an entire group of people simply because they agree the ideals held by a party is a little small-minded. I don’t hate Democrats, I just don’t agree with most them.
Exactly!
I agree, I’m not sure why some people get so upset that someone has opposing beliefs. There are a few folks here who honestly seem to hate people who believe differently than they do. Really seems a shame to hate your fellow Americans for having a different opinion.
I guess it’s the opposite of Blind Patriotism – Blind Hatred?
Republicans have done plenty to my nation and my fellow Americans, and as a good American, and a person of some conscience, I am compelled to hate what they do, and take it personally, and fight against it. It’s not a ‘difference of opinion” when you send people to die for lies. It’s not a ‘friendly disagreement” when you crap on the Constitution.
I know and work with some Republicans. Some Republicans can be very nice people. But what they do in the ballot box and with their dollars is equivalent to rape, and as you said, hating your rapist is quite understandable.
I know many Republicans that personally hate me because I am a Democrat, and this “Oh we’re so nice as Republicans and Democrat are so MEAN” stuff is crap, and you know it. And lies like this are yet another reason to hate Republicans.
You need to meet Seth…….
I’m just glad Americans who feel like you do are in the very tiniest of minorities. Your attitude is offensive at its very core.
You’re talking about FOX News, right? Or just Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter and Bill O’Reilly?
Your description of sending people to die for lies, crapping on the Constitution, and what Republicans do with their dollars can be applied to either party at different points in time. And I’m just referring to the last 30 years or so. Your argument smacks of “well he’s doing it so I can do it too!” Hating people and railing against the ‘establishment’ isn’t healthy or productive. Why not go out instead and get a job as an elected official and change it from the inside?
Oh, but let’s all jump into the wayback machine to the ealy 60’s when it was the Democrats who commited us a war in Southeast Asia that ended up taking over 50,000 of our sons and daughters. The cost in Iraq, while certainly reprehensible, is no where near what was expended in Vietnam, Camobisa, and Laos. So while you may dislike Republicans for what has occured in recent history, you may also want to expand that to include some of your fellow party members. And let us not forget that our journey into the Middle East also went with the blessings of some of your fellow Democrats.
*Cambodia*
The only thing Kerry and I have in common- neither of us have been to Cambodia ( or Laos).
You really shouldn’t hate anyone, it’s been shown to be very unhealthy and can lead to stress related illnesses. It’s just not worth it. Yea, I guess it would be hard not to hate a rapist, a child molester or a murderer, but at some point you have to realize it does no good to hate them. You aren’t hurting them, they usually don’t care. I just go to the gym.
but ema, I hate everyone…well except you…and Jane St. Clair, no one can hate Jane and Eddie’s kinda reasonable, and then there is PiMan, he’s ok, oh and lowly grunt, and… hey wait a minute, maybe I don’t hate everyone!!! Drinks on the house!!!
Woo Hoo! I’m on it, man..
Drinks are helpful too!!
You’re a sweetie Charlie!
AWWWWWWWwwww Charlie! *blush*
ema! I’m shocked at you! What if you’re a Sith?
and i mean “you’re” as in general, no as in you personally.
Seriously, I see some form of medication in your future.
Yes those darn Republicans. Freeing the slaves (Lincoln), protecting workers (Theodore Roosevelt), the environment (Nixon), and ending wars (Ford). Darn them to heck!!!!
Although (as a Republican) I dislike the “Goldwater strategy” and recent Republican practices, today they are only as bad as the rest of the politicians. It would be nice if the Democrats could hold the high ground, but they just circled the wagons around Rangel (ethics violations – tax evasion, using government property to hide…property), were part of the deregulation fiasco, Iraq war, tax policy, and the rest of the idiocy in Washington.
Or the Democrats being President through both world wars. While Republicans led you into the Great Depression.
Actually the American People (and people all over the world) led themselves into the Great Depression, though Hoover didnt do all that much (good or bad). We are also leading ourselves into this economic downturn. I will attempt not to use depression due to that we might actually climb out of it. It appears that the deregulation that “led to this” was enacted under Bill Clinton (see not everything is Bush’s fault). It was a long time assertion by Republicans that “Republicans end wars, Democrats start them”. Unfortunately it looks like Bush has changed that. As for both World Wars, well we had to be dragged into both of them due to actions of Germany (WWI), then Japan (WWII).
Interesting view of history…inaccurate, but interesting nonetheless.
How am I innaccurate?
As I’ve pointed out before, many liberals are motivated by hatred.
As are you, Evil.
Good for the goose…
just as many conservatives hate too
cleavland steamer
learn how to spell CLEVELAND or quit writing it.
*facepalm
Howard? Is that you?
nope… i’m new. been lurking a while. finally decided to steer clear of the political maelstrom up there and just call this ‘tard out for not knowing how to spell something that is actually quite simple.
That is the first time I’ve seen you say that only most, not all, liberals are *insert insult here (usually something about hate)*
As a Democrat, I feel a moral obligation to slap you in the face so you’ll quit embarassing us.
A majority of my work friends are Republicans. We get along great, we even have awsome political discussions, and RESPECT each others differences.
My friends outside of work are mostly Dems. When work friends of mine meet non-work friends we all have fun. Politics is one thing, to be bias against a whole subset of americans because of what party they are members of is retarded.
http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=2066112
Believe it or not, for the first time, I have ignored all other comments for a lol. (I will go back and rfead them, however) Additionally, believe it or not, I am an Independent. This lol epitomizes what is I believe is wrong with the GOP. My personal philosophy moves between liberal and conservative beliefs, depending upon the issue being discussed, hence my belief that I am an Independent. If any one thing, over the past 20 years, has moved me to support the democratic party over the republican party it is this issue of the flag. The problem with republicans is that they actually believe that only they believe in America and that if they wrap themselves in enough flags they are more American than anyone else. They are wrong.
Overly broad generalization of an issue that doesn’t exist. The only Republicans who believe as you say are a few whackjobs on TV who like to nag people for not wearing their pin.
As I said above, there are many symbolic reasons for why a successful immigrant, and Arnold specifically, would be draped in a flag for this photograph. Obviously he wasn’t jumping around on stage somewhere with a flag cape on. It looks like an artsy magazine photograph. Hell it probably wasn’t even his idea, but the photographers.
If you honestly feel that Arnold believes he’s more American than other people, I think you should read a bit more about the man and his beliefs.
Why is it always the whackjobs that get on TV?
They have more money?
The crave attention
Extremism in either direction gets more ratings. If everyone on TV was independent and open-minded to other peoples ideas, the radical partisans would get bored and turn it off.
I hadn’t actually thought of that, but you make a very good point!
Either you deliberately misinterpreted what I said or you chose to ignore it. Regarding the overly broad generalization, obviously you haven’t been paying attention to this administration, and the GOP, as a whole, over the past 15 years. Unless of course, you fit into the GOP self-aggrandizement mold, then in that case this is about you. More than any other time in my personal memory, the GOP has set themselves up on the moral high ground and attempted to assign themselves as defenders of the faith/ arbitrators of patriotism. How many flags does it take for us to know a republican is an American – obviously they haven’t hit the right number, because the GOP has established itself as the biggest threat to American Independence since the Civil War.
I agree that the Republicans play the moral high ground card way too often, and are often actually on the low ground, but I don’t think the flag has much to do with it, if anything at all. Almost no one I know, Democrat or Republican, has flags anywhere unless there is the name of a political candidate glued to the front of it.
On this we can agree. Like Eddie said, most Americans fly the flag for very good reasons. I have several myself and fly them quite frequently, along with the Army Flag, my state flag and university flag when we play big football games. What I hate is the use of the Flag as a prop, be it to sell cars (which is a big American tradition), or oneself (politically or otherwise) which is why I refuse to wear a flag lapel pin.
Ok, I will partly agree with you. But, I have seen lot’s of Democrats who do the same thing, as if to say, “Look! I’m just as American as that guy over there!” DaftPyramid said earlier, it isn’t what you say, it’s what you do. I don’t think ownership of being “American” is the sole domain of the Republicans.
I have never seen you attack the Democrats, or fail to attack the Republicans. You don’t seem much like an independent to me.
Read my comments above, especially the first one. Over the past 15 years, the GOP has done more to convince me to choose a side than any other party, and it isn’t theirs. I have not yet chosen a party, because I do have issues with the Democratic Party, but anything that they is outweighed, in spades, by the GOP and the current batch of “conservatives,” so yes I will challenge and continue to challenge the biggest threat to freedom…right no I see it as the GOP.
The problem with Republicans today is that most of them are not, by definition, Conservative. A conservative stands up for what they believe in the face of opposition, not vassilating and trying to make everyone happy. The moral high horse you reference in another post is something that irritates me about both parties simply because neither of them belong on it.
True, to an extent. One reason I haven’t committed to either, as well. Except during the past decade in a half, the GOP has taken the moral highhorse to greater heights, in a similar manner that the Democrats did during the 60-70’s. However, your depiction of conservatives is a little self-serving, conservatives want to conserve the status quo because it suits them, liberals want to upset it because it doesn’t suit them.
I think I understand what you’re saying. Even though I’m a registered Republican and have been since I could vote, I have voted my concience rather then the party line on many an occasion. I feel it’s the responsibility of every voter to not be led blindly by who their party puts up, but what that person will do in the position they’re running for. Now I already know there’s going to be lots of people thinking, “Why isn’t he voting for Obama then?” The answer to that is as stated, I don’t know that he is the right person for the job. That’s my personal opinion, and I just hope everyone can respect that. The real sadness for me is, neither candidate would have been my preference.
Ah, but Eddie, if you read this old post, I will tell you why I am voting for Obama this time around. Do as you will, but 1. I respect John McCain and I was very much behind him in 2000, in fact I emailed his campaign when it becane obvious that the current President would win the GOP, I urged him to go independent. However, at this point in history his campaign, in every regard represents the past and quite frankly, the past has failed. Obama may not be right, but he may. But whatever happens, he represents the future. I must commit to the future, because the past has failed us.
Then I think you’re not an independent. You’ve chosen one of two sides.
Your response is typical of the short-sighted. I view my political responses and support over the past 3+ decades of my active participation in voting with an additional few years of active interest prior to being able to vote. In the time that you have been voting, those that you support have become increasinly intolerant of any dissenting opinions and have become increasingly less-democratic. I am sure they will change as the pendulum swings back, but maybe not.
Wow, are you honestly that tunnel-visioned that you cannot accept the idea of someone being a liberal independent? ‘Independent’ does not mean ‘middle-of-the-road,’ it just means that you’re not a Democrat or Republican.
Of course there are Independents. But CF isn’t one of them. He has taken sides.
In this election he has taken sides. Everyone does it. We call that voting. It’s kind of hard to vote for everyone on the ballot. If you would actually read something besides your propaganda blogs you would see that Charlie was saying that in is over thirty years of voting he has voted for what he believes is needed at the current time, but that over the past couple of years he has been becoming increasingly disenfranchised with the republican party. If you were too young to vote in the 2000 election as you have previously claimed then you can not comprehend that supporting one party now after over thirty years of voting does not make you forever aligned with that party. I’m sure Charlie’s voted for some republicans over the years but that didn’t make him a republican then and it doesn’t make him one now. The same holds true for independents voting for Obama today. Just because YOU don’t plan to support him don’t presume you know everything about the people who do.
Since voting is automatically ‘taking sides’ does that mean that people who consider themselves independent can’t vote?
No…that was his point. Calling yourself an independent does not mean that you don’t have a preference in the election, it just means that you aren’t a member of a major political party.
I was just saying that his statement of CF no longer being an independent because he’s taken sides is kind of bogus. I consider myself an independent, that currently agrees with the Democratic party. I have also tended to agree with them in the past. However, I do not say I’m a member of their party, or of any party, because that is a dangerous statement. Too many people join a party, and always vote for that party regardless of their candidates qualifications. If the Republican party puts up a candidate I think is better than the Democratic party’s candidate, I will vote for them. Until then, I’m an independent, and I’m taking the Democratic party’s side.
Although, if you’re in an Independent, I don’t believe you can vote in the Primaries, can you? I think you’re stuck with the General Election. However, if I’m wrong, please let me know.
It depends on the state. Some states let anyone vote, others don’t.
Eddie, it does depend upon the state, and as I was reassigned around the country, I was often precluded from voting in primaries when one had to declare, I considered the cost of maintaining my independent status.
Was that because of your home of record?
Actually, by the look on his face, Arnold’s daring someone to try and take it away from him and burn it. It would be an epic smackdown !!!!
I think you’re right!
Isn’t what Arnie’s doing against the Flag Code?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Code
# The flag should not be used as “wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery”, or for covering a speaker’s desk, draping a platform, or for any decoration in general (exception for coffins). Bunting of blue, white and red stripes is available for these purposes. The blue stripe of the bunting should be on the top.
# The flag should never be drawn back or bunched up in any way.
It absolutely is. US Code Title 4, Chapter 1, Section 8 (4USC8), paragraph d:
“The flag should never be used as wearing apparel… It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free.”
As a kid in Boy Scouts, I learned that this sort of display is incredibly disrespectful.
It has always confused me as to why you pledge allegiance to the flag, _then_ to country.
Because the flag is symbolic of the country. I think the difference between America and Australia is that we are not part of the Commonwealth, thus we have no allegiance to any other country, only our own. Which probably explain why Australia doesn’t have a pledge of allegiance as such, except to the Monarchy.
I’ve got no issue with pledging allegiance to the country, but pledging allegiance to the flag before that, is what is confusing.
As you know, it goes; “I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands”
Notice how the flag is mentioned first.
Poetic staging. That’s all. The intent is to pledge your allegiance to the Republic.
As I said, the flag IS symobolic of the country. Back in the Revolutionary war the British saw the American flag as a slap in the face. See the flag, see the country it stands for.
You’re reading into it way too literally. It’s symbolic in nature.
Being a German Immigrant in the US, I thought I’d point out my views on things.
Patriotism: Good except when you have TOO much of it. (See Fascism, Nazis, Communists, ETC.) or too little of it (See Belgium, Yugoslavia, ETC.)
Welfare: Good except when you have too Much of it (Commies again), Bad when you have too little of it (Industrial Revolution style work habits)
Now, I’m fairly centered on all of this so I’m not going to say WHO I’m voting for, or WHY, but regardless I’m going to vote for the person sending the least amount of hate via the medias.
Example: “Don’t vote Theodore Roosevelt because He’s a communist and hates American Ideals. Brought to you by Taft for office. Vote Taft.”
Yeah. That shit. None of that.
Also: The New Deal if fully implemented (because it would have brought up jobs and factories to a peacetime equivalent of full Draft production) would have stopped the European front of World War II, due to the fact that the US Government was basically paying for Germany’s part in the Versailles treaty. which means that if We (since I AM a citizen here. Believe it or not) had kept it going it would have made the German people not need to see the dark side of hope (Vote for me and get free stuff. Oh by the way I’m going to kill everyone in the world because I can’t paint) and thus it wouldn’t have happened.
Just saying.
So you’re going to vote for Roosevelt?
Can we do that? I didn’t think cloning was THAT advanced yet….
If it is, we should get Nero, not Roosevelt. I want crazy naked in the street parties.
Maybe. BOTH Roosevelts despite being deader than doorknobs look more appetizing than any of the current candidates. Especially considering one turned the US into a power in the world, and the other brought us out of a depression and ended World War II for the most part.
So what i’m saying is, we have big shoes to fill, and all we have are midgets.
Sorry dude, but here in America, you’re either either a fascist or a Commie; take your pick. The partisan blinders that everyone is forced to wear makes it so. There’s no middle ground here, so please take you reasonable and thought based agenda else where and let the rest of America create an unbridgeable rift that will grind the country into the ground. It seems like partisan ignorance and agenda is the greatest “American” virtue. Good luck spreading stupidity, y’all.
It looks like it’s burning him through his clothing.
But no seriously, it’s SO patriotic. He’s the epitome of a true American.
to bad he’s austrian.
No, he is an American. He’s a naturalized citizen of the US. That makes him and American. Period. Doesn’t frackin’ matter where he was born.
Kinda personal here – my father was born in Indonesian, raised in Holland, naturalized as a US citizen and served 20 years in the USAF (including a tour in Vietnam) but people still called him a foreigner. Frackin’ bullshit then. Frackin’ bullshit now.
That being said, don’t care for the pic either. But I feel bad if he did this because he feels he has to justify himself as an American.
Na, everyone knows that naturalized citizens are only half-citizens.
But most of the time CF they are more appreciative and more patriotic than any natural born citizen. Most have seen circumstances we never have and hopefully never will.
I’m pretty sure Charlie is joking around. Like Megabob I suspect he likes to be an ass just to see what people will say.
At least I have a reason……You?
It is my personal beleif that the only people who should be able to say they are proud to be an american are naturalized citizens.
Let me explain.
You should feel pride for things you’ve accomplished, not things you received by luck. Saying you are proud to be an american, when you are a natural born american, is like saying you’re proud to have brown hair.
You can say you’re GLAD to be an american, and that would be more fitting.
Naturalised citizens have actualy DONE something to become citizens, so their citizenship is an accomplishment. They have EARNED their citizenship. Evil puppet, Megabob, what have you done to earn your citizenship?
This is an interesting question, what earns citizenship? Paying taxes? Being an educated, productive member of society? Voting? Volunteering? Military service?
Hmmmm… years of military service, time in Vietnam, working the last three major hurricanes with the evacuees, public service, hosting foreign exchange stdents, three college degrees, etc…….
And you guys? Musicians, waitresses, etc.. people who TALK about doing wonderful deeds but really haven’t done squat- just like Obama which is why I’ll vote for McCain.
Now go ahead and make up lies about the great things YOU’VE done.
No need, you obviously won the lying contest.
Too bad duelings outlawed- I’d put my money on MegaBob !
That’s a pretty heavy accusation without any basis of proof to the contrary.
I also do not beleive him, but won’t publicly accuse him of lying unless I have something to back up said accusation.
Wellllll, “I cain’t sing, I cain’t dance.” I hate most people, so I would go broke waiting tables or in retail in general… don’t put much stature in college, in general, although I do have a couple of degrees and the odd continuing ed classes (but some of the dumbest people I’ve met are smart). I cannot draw, or even count. So I guess that I have not been created equal, or endowed by my Creator with any Unalienable rights.
I like how Megabob gives a list of ‘accomplishments’ and then basically says, “ok, now it’s your turn to make up lies”.
I am not going to say what I’ve done to earn my status as a citizen because regardless of what I say you’ll call it lies.
Also, Musicians and waitresses don’t deserve their citizenship status? I suppose neither does the garbage man. You know, the guy who every day deals with the refuse of society to make your life a little easier. Or the cashier at Wal~Mart. You know, the single mom who’s fiance’ left her when she got pregnant so now she works 2 jobs just to support a 5 year old child because she’s not getting any child support from the kid’s dead beat father. Don’t dismiss someone as not earning their place in our country JUST because you don’t think their job is worthy.
I get to be a citizen because I was born here. Deal with it. Artists and people in the service industry contribute to society. They don’t get your pension, but they contribute to society. And some (a lot, actually) of them are even *gasp* Republicans.
Thank you for the direct, to the point version of what I was saying.
Oh I think you’re right Jane, I’m sorry CF – we need more jokesters around here anyway, don’t want to discourage that!
its, ok Ema…just slap me when I get annoying, everyone else does…but you know, sometimes I just crack myself up. Can’t really help it.
Arnold = American Dream WIN.
Odd. I’ve never seen a Republican burning or stomping on the flag…
That’s just because they haven’t invented fire yet. Give them time, all species evolve at their own pace.
I wonder if Republicans will ever evolve to the stage of being able to vote after death, like Democrats can?
So you admit it’s only Liberals and Democrats who stomp on flags…
It’s part of the initiation ceremony. First you have to sign your name (in blood) to the liberal contract declaring your intent to do all in your power to force people into gay marriages and make them have abortions. Next comes the ritual spitting on the Holy Bible. We end the night with rhythmic stomping on the American Flag (we have special choreographers for this part, this year we’ve asked Paula Abdul to do honors). Finally we light the whole thing on fire and make s’mores. I probably shouldn’t be telling about our secret liberal ceremonies, but hey, we’re all friends, right?
And you do this nekkid, right?
Jane, what about the chickens? They made YOU do the chicken-thing, right? It wasn’t just me, was it?
The metaphor (depicted literally in this case) of wrapping oneself in the flag goes much deeper, and is much more pernicious than a simple statement of patriotism. “Wrapping in the flag” is metaphorically using the flag as a shield to avoid difficult questions, divert skepticism and more specifically to imply that any position adopted by the person who has “wrapped themselves in the flag” is the patriotic position and therefor anybody who disagrees, questions or applies critical thought is unpatriotic.
In the UK, if you wrap yourself in the flag people just think you’re a tw@t. And doubly so if it’s the English flag. And as for flag rules, most people don’t even know there’s a right way up to fly it. Not that we’re not patriotic, just that flag-worship is a bit sucky.
I WISH Arnie was Republican. RINO’s are off the endangered species list now.
I dont think Arnold knows what it means to be a republican. He knows what it is to be under a communist, fascist, and now socialist rule but he has no clue what it means to be a real republican… unfortunately neither does the president and most of congress.
like it !!!
like it !!!
I will be back if you dont like it !!!