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POWER DRESS SUIT……………..$300.00
DOLCE GABBANA GLASSES….$250.00
BLONDE HIGHLIGHTS: …………..$75.00
HAVING TO EXPLAIN SUPPORTING EFFECTIVENESS OF “ABSTINENCE-ONLY” EDUCATION
AFTER YOUR 17 Y/O DAUGHTER GETS
PREGNANT………..
(Sarah Palin)
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FIIIIRST”!!!!! hahahah
man I love doing it
I created the world first tooo.. .suckaaas!
I very much doubt your girlfriend shares your love for you doing *everything* first…
- JM.
Epic Burn
That’s if there is a girlfriend at all.. in which case, he just disappoints himself.
Indeed, to the point that when he pleasures himself, his hand falls asleep.
Ah, lack of interest really crushes the self-esteem.. hehe
so……… what is wrong with a stranger?
Power Dress Suit…$300? As they say on “The Price Is Right”, HIGHER! HIGHER! HIGHER!
Seriously. Who ever wrote out the prices has absolutely no concept of what it costs to be a high-maintenance woman
The glasses are about $200-400 frames only, Highlights run $150ish, The dress … I would be ok at $300 for the dress, the middle daughter’s dress was cuter but a bit old for her in the setting.
PS – Why didn’t anyone tell the BF to spit out his gum? I mean come on people, it is TV after all, lets make a good impression.
What?! Highlights at $150!? Only if she got a triple highlight package, in which case, she got a deal. Most single highlights cost less than $100. However, all your other estimates seem spot on.
And as for the gum… if you knock up a 17 year old without using protection… how much sense can you have?
I’m loving the highlights discussion lol My best friend thought she could pay 50$ for great highlights… yeahhhh her hair turned orange :-/ lol And about the gum, “he’s a f-in redneck” gum is a must! He couldn’t be chewing baccy up there, had to improvise lol
Come on people, let’s get real here. Don’t we want ordinary people, with ordianry problems in office? The leaders of this country are only human, and not perfect by any means, and we should not expect them to be so. How dare you call that boy an “f-in redneck”, you do not know any of the members of Sarah Palin’ss family, and one should never judge those that they do not know. I personally think that the family of politicians should be kept out of politics. I also believe that abstinence is not the only form of std and pregnancy prevention provided to students of sexual education, however, I am a supporter of Palin, and not McCain. This woman deserves respect for having done such a fine job governing Alaska, and climbing the political ladder so gracefully. Weather or not people agree with her policies, they should not condemn her, and ridicule her so unjustly.
1) Palin has described *herself* as a redneck.
2) As for wanting “ordinary people with ordinary problems” in office… what happened last time we voted for the guy we wanted to have a beer with?
Lincoln? That guy was a hoot!
Happened a bit more recently than that.
Oh, yeah, she’s done an amazing job ‘running’ Alaska. Allow me to put this in perspective. One – Wasilla, Alaska (where she was a mayor) is (depending on which census data you look at) 6000-9000 people. Two – she’s only been governor of Alaska for 20 months. The population of the entire state of Alaska is less than 700,000. The median income in Alaska? SIXTH IN THE COUNTRY. The state can afford the majority of education, health care, and social programming that the majority of states have to cut in order to balance their books every term. She has, for 20 months, been governor of a state whose population is the sixth-richest in the nation, whose population is the 47th in the nation, and who actually has a ridiculous amount of social welfare policies enacted that tend to only be pipe-dreams for inner city politicians and states without the fine resources and budget surpluses. Gee – if only every governor, mayor, and/or political leader had a constituency this easy to lead…
BTW, I live in Juneau. So there.
Yea, the Alaskans are here!
Ali, Luke called himself an “f-in redneck” on his myspace page which has now been deleted or marked private. That’s why Lady put it in quotes. I’d say people are perfectly entitled to call him something that he called himself.
We can tell. Your spelling and grammar is atrocious.
The same kind of sense taught by adstinence only education?
Maybe they just don’t believe in Birth control?
Wouldn’t having a pregnant 17 year old daughter be the perfect example of why teaching abstinence is important?
“effectiveness” being the key-word, methinks. Also, leave the girl alone peeps. It’s not her fault her mother is … well, whatever she is.
Yes. words fail me at that point too.
There’s a fine line here I think. Bristol deserves her privacy, but the ineffectiveness of Sarah’s Abstinence Only Education should be highlighted.
With a name like Bristol, no wonder she fell off the wagon.
She sounds like generic brand of Brillo.
Come on! I like the name Bristol, I think its kinda cool! I’m not so sure how cool and unique it is when the other girls in the family are Willow and Piper, though. I heard that and thought SP must have had the hockey mom baby name handbook. Individually I like them all, together and it sounds like a show on the WB.
I agree! Individually, very cute names; together, kinda weird…
Firstly, Bristol is a dirty olde English city, why would you name perfectly normal girl that? And second, Willow and Piper!? Hello, TV-Magic-Obsessed nutters!
At least it wasn’t Piper, Paige, Phoebe, and Leo. There’d be some more obvious issues with that than the show it came from. =P
Well and Willow was on Buffy, so maybe she WAS a fan of the WB. Also, Bristol is the name of a town in Indiana as well.
People who think that sex and reproduction are the business of the government lose the right to claim that their sex and reproductive lives are private!
she just got pregnant to PO her mom
Um. If you advocate abstinence and your 17 year old daughter gets pregnant that’s a pretty good indicator there’s a failure in either the theory or your implementation.
Her daughter’s school taught what we’d consider “normal” sex-ed, not abstinence-only.
But the point is Sarah Palin wants schools to not offer ‘normal’ sex ed.
Hey Vik, schools have to let parents pull their kids out of those classes. I would be very surprised If Palin didn’t exercise that option, plus she’s an even bigger hyporite than we thought.
Next talking point, please?
Whoa now, I’m all for the joke of this picture – I think it’s hilarious and true – and as much as I feel abstinence-only is epic fails and isn’t even something TEACHable (since “teaching” it is just brainwashing, not informing) … but her DAUGHTER getting pregnant does not make Palin hypocritical, it just forces her to rethink whether or not that kinda bs actually works.
It may not make her a hypocrite but he sure does undermine her policy credibility being that one can assume this is all she’s taught her own children about sex and it failed to prevent her daughter’s teen pregnancy. In addition, when Palin slashes state funding to provide housing for teen mothers (many of whom may not have as supportive parents as she has been nor the financial capacity to care for a child) during a time when Alaska has financial surplus… She frames herself as a mean-spirited asshole less concerned with helping families and more concerned with imposing her hypocritical “Holier-than-thou” sense of morality.
To all those that say “leave the family alone” she made that fair-game when she decided to laude herself as venerable “Hockey Mom” of the common people. If she’s gonna run on that, public scrutiny of her family and parenting skills are to be expected. It’s the same as people asking what “change” Barack’s really going to implement if that’s how he’s framed his campaign. She can’t have her cake and it too.
Actually, you can NOT assume that’s all she taught her kids. What abstinence-only sex-ed does is leave the rest of the discussion TO THE PARENTS, who perhaps would rather the schools stay out and let the parents do their job.
You have no way of knowing what Sarah and Todd Palin did or did not teach their children. For all you know, we’re seeing the result of a condom breakage.
For such a conservative “Christian” household, premarital sex is a good indicator that the “parenting” didn’t take.
No, it’s an indication that her daughter made her own choices, which every Christian does, and every non-Christan as well.
I raised my son in a conservative household, taught him what I believe is right, and he just became a father (not married). My older sister, raised in the same environment as me, got pregnant at 14.
The situations may suck, but it didn’t mean my parents (or I) were failures. The kids are a gift, no matter the circumstance. God doesn’t hold it against them or their parents. He forgives. My kids are no better than theirs because I was married.
The reason we don’t know this crap about other people is that their kids didn’t get pregnant.
I can’t believe this is brought up as an issue.
The joke was okay, the hipocracy is not.
Knowledge of “abstinence education” fail.
And I quote, “THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SAFE SEX.”
That means no sex, even with condoms. So really, a condom break is irrelevent. Her daughter was still having sex, and not “abstaining” as her stick-up-the-ass mother promotes.
“You have no way of knowing what Sarah and Todd Palin did or did not teach their children. For all you know, we’re seeing the result of a condom breakage.”
So Palin is dictating what everyone else’s kids should be taught, and then teaching her own kids something else?
And that doesn’t seem a tad hypocritical? Surely whatever is good enough for her own family should be good enough for everyone else, unless she thinks that her darling little boys and girls are above the ordinary plebs?
“but her DAUGHTER getting pregnant does not make Palin hypocritical”
What if Palin CONTINUES to insist that abstinence only works as a policy? Wouldn’t that make her a hypocrite? (Or a dumb-ass?)
You’re forgetting the key detail. If you advocate abstinence only sex education and your 17 year old daughter gets pregnant for the second time…
second time? Who to the what now?
The one she is pregnant with at 17 will be her second child.
Boh likes drum and bass?
Anyway, logic says that it’s a failure in implementation, as we know if you don’t fuck you don’t get pregnant.
Boh likes Drum and Bass?
Logic would imply that there’s solely a failure in implementation. The world has discovered that you can’t get pregnant if you don’t have sex.
Not disputing the sex/pregnancy link at all … Personal experience tells my daugter put in an appearance because … well do we really need to go there?
However, I was actually questioning the theory of ‘abstinence only’. That telling teenagers not to have sex, and not discussing methods of contraception except to highlight their failure rates, is relevant in a world where teen sex is a social reality.
I was also questioning how effect Bristol’s parents were in conveying this theory to their daughter if she was sexually active at the age she obviously was.
Really? I remember sex ed as not even talking about the failure rates of methods of contreception. It was over in five minutes saying “don’t have sex.” It was more scare tactics on what STD’s are like…
I remember that kind of education. Nothing on prevention and all about STD slides before lunch. -_-
I got both the STD slides and the failure rates before lunch. =.= Plus the added bonus of the horrors and blasphemy of abortion, how to say no, and how “abstinence is the ONLY TRUE SAFE SEX”.*quoted from the handbook passed out * Somehow there was also a small discussion on the evils of homosexuality, even though it was completely irrelevant. Ah, how much I hate living in a small town in Arkansas.
(/annoyance)
My high school taught sex-ed with all of the methods of contraception, STDs, and all the rest. Abstinence was discussed, but not enforced. the students that were going to have sex had sex, and those that weren’t didn’t. The ones that did, though, did it safely. my graduating class had not a single pregnancy, and STD’s were very rare. teaching the benefits of contraception works. teaching abstinence is by and far a failed way of teaching the subject. students should be informed, not left innocent so that when they try things, they are safe
Right, because she would’ve never gotten pregnant had she only known what a condom was.
It would be an example of how absence only education DOESN’T WORK and the importance of adding “If you DO have sex, have a brain in your head and use a goddamn condom!” Sadly this woman is stuck in the 1950s, I think the reason she’s been so completely bewildered since being chosen is because she didn’t realise women even have the vote yet.
The daughter’s school taught what we’d consider “normal” sex-ed, not abstinence-only. And she still didn’t use a condom, or it failed.
They’re heavily christian people, so they don’t believe in the use of condoms, because it’s considered morally wrong.
Condoms (and other forms of contraceptives) aren’t considered morally wrong by Christians overall. Mostly only Catholics believe that way.
Mostly, you’d be wrong. Many fundamentalist Christians believe the same.
Could you direct me to the resource that you’ve used to conclude this? What denominations’ doctrine(s) are you referring to?
Jane never, ever gives references.
“…four categories as useful in understanding current Protestant attitudes concerning birth control. These are the “children in abundance” group, such as Quiverfull adherents who view all birth control as wrong; the “children in managed abundance” group, which accept only Natural Family Planning; the “children in moderation” group which accepts prudent use of a wide range of contraceptives; and, the “no children” group which sees itself as within their Biblical rights to define their lives around non-natal concerns.”
Granted, its wikipedia. Generally pretty accurate when it comes to stating facts, not opinions. And the Children in Abundance group.. would be the one jane was referring to, i.e. many of the very fundamentalist ones.
Thank you, I went to bed and didn’t see anyone had asked for sources. I will add that in the 30 or so years since Roe v. Wade fundamentalist Christian groups have worked closely with Catholic groups on anti-abortion issues. As a result, many fundamentalist Christian religions have incorporated traditionally Catholic stances on birth control into their own religions. This is why I said “fundamentalist Christians” and not simply “Christians” because there is a distinction. The above is also common knowledge, which many researchers will tell you is not subjected to the same citation standards as original source knowledge.
It is subject to citation standards when some one calls you out because you made it up. Most Christians are against handing out free condoms to high-schoolers, but I don’t know if I’ve ever heard of anyone who was against contraceptives altogether that wasn’t Catholic.
Oh I must have missed the sources you provided when you compared Obama’s children to Buckwheat and when you accused liberals of holding people down and forcing abortions. Why don’t you crawl back under your bridge, troll.
Mostly, there arn’t that mant fundamentalist Christians against contraceptives. Those people are the SUPER extreme right. I grew up southern baptist, which is pretty crazy conservative but they have no problems with condoms, the pill ect.
Sorry, manY fundamentalists.
Palin is pro-contraception (depending on who you believe) Thats the only thing about her that DOESNT scare me, as a woman
Really? I’d heard that she’s anti-contraception, even among married couples (!).
AAAhhhh, so THATS how she popped out 5 kids in rapid succession…
MLD even if she believes in contraception, she doesn’t show much understanding. Maybe she has *faith* in coitus interruptus… she still scares me
So you’re saying that her mother wouldn’t have had a word with her about sex ed if she felt so strongly about it? She’d leave it to the school’s curriculum that she objected to?
Why do we even have sex-ed in schools? Why do schools CONSTANTLY have to pick up the slack for parents? I should be able to teach my child whatever I want to about sex, the schools should have to do it for me! As teachers, we have ENOUGH to fit into our day, just leave sex-ed out of it and the whole debate would go away. Parents should have a little more personal responsibility about the moral education of their children.
You are a teacher? And you’re actually spouting that drivel? You obviously have never taught at a school where a 7 year old child is left with his 14 year old sister for THREE weeks while their parents went on a trucking trip. Or what about the incredibly smart and funny second grade girl who was scared sick when her dad got out of prison because it meant she’d have to meet her grandmother for the first time. The same grandmother who wanted nothing to do with her up until this point because she was half black. Of how about trying to counsel the fifth grade girl who was considering having sex with her brother’s friend but refused flat out to talk to her mother about it. See, she came from a culture where even using tampons was considered sex. You can not control what adults do to their kids short of outright abuse, but the idea that schools aren’t responsible for parenting these kids mean you would condemn thousands of children to repeat the cycle of poverty, missed education, and lost opportunies. But hey, I guess if it keeps you and your firmly in you place in society it doesn’t really matter, does it?
Any teacher worth his/her salt will parent students without being told to. I just don’t think that it should be state (or federally) mandated.
Of course I play parent to the students in my class. I wouldn’t ever want to keep doing what I do if I didn’t really care for all of them. However, I don’t think that the government should tell me what I have to teach in my classroom when it comes to a subject as personal as sex. If a child comes to me with a problem or situation that she needs help with, I can handle that. I can “be the parent” in that situation. But I don’t agree with making me teach a subject in which I’m not not expertly trained, potentially in a format that I don’t agree with. Whether my school uses the abstinence only or the safe sex format, there would be teachers who felt the opposite.
As for the condescending and sarcastic tone of your reply, especially the last question, you don’t know anything about me or my “place in society.” Please don’t assume that I am whatever it is you think I am simply because I get tired of teachers getting berated by the general public at every turn for every decision we make.
This, for my school anyway, is a moot point. No Child Left Behind has such rigorous goals for us to achieve in math and reading that there is little time for much else, but we’re doing the best we can.
If you don’t think the government tells you what to teach with regards to EVERYTHING then you’ve been living in a dream world. No one is asking EVERY teacher to teach about sex, however the ones that do should be trained and certified to do so like they would for any other subject. We as educators don’t get to pick and choose the topics that make us feel safe and comfortable. Teenage sex is a reality and sticking your head in the sand and saying it’s better left up to the parents because YOU don’t want to deal with it isn’t going to make it go away. We have comprehensive drug and alcohol prevention programs in our schools, why should sex be any different?
Oh, and have a child in your class who’s been sexually abused and that sex issue is going to come up whether you like it or not, so I would be doing some reading up if I were you.
So why don’t you liberals hold her down and force her to have an abortion ?
That’s a sick and disgusting reply absolutely not needed in this thread. People that think like you need to be frikking shot. Seriously. Or have your reproductive organs taken out at an early age. T_T
Ummmm, Jess, that’s MegaBob, he’s trying to build the biggest bridge in PK so he can troll underneath it in undisputed glory. Mostly, we just ignore him because to do otherwise encourages him to dial up the crazy, and his amps already go to eleven.
Spinal Tap reference.. WIN!
Ahhh FemiNazi’s afraid of men and wanting to castrate them.
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Gender wasn’t mentioned. ‘Reproductive organs’ could be either testicles or ovaries.
I didn’t say the government didn’t tell me what to teach, I said that with a subject as personal as sex I don’t think it is the government’s place.
Actually, educators DO choose what subjects they feel safest with, in the middle and upper grades, at least.
I don’t think my post made it sound as though I am “sticking my head in the sand” about teenage sex. Using phrases that try to make me feel naive or stupid are ineffective and defensive. I also didn’t say that I didn’t want to deal with it.
Our drug and alcohol programs are run by our local and state police. They would also be considered “abstinence only.” The subjects of drugs and sex-ed are apples and oranges.
I did have a child in my class last year who had been raped the year before. She, I, and the counselor had many sessions together, and she and I talked privately about it quite a bit.
If we’re going to treat sex-ed like it’s just “any other subject” then we need some research-based strategies to implement, just as we do in reading, math, science, etc.
Where are you working that the sex education program in your school ISN’T research based? No one is saying that having a sex education program in your school means EVERY teacher should be FORCED to teach about sex. Also, the drug program is not abstinence only, if it was the only information students would get would be someone coming in and saying, “don’t do drugs it’s wrong”. That is the fallacy of abstinence only education programs, the only information given is that students shouldn’t have sex, period. If you are giving any more information then that you are NOT teaching an abstinence only program. I also don’t know where you think drug and alchohol education have nothing in common with sex education in the minds of teenagers. If you’re feeling naive and stupid, that’s your own problem, not mine.
Shit Jane, your job sucks! Mine does too.
I work with the adult remnants of hideous upbringings. The shells of humans ruined by ignorant (or stupid) parents, screwed literally or figuratively, given alcohol as children to shut them up, given out for prostitution.
It’s sickening, but humanity is anything but humane.
My opinion on educating my children is based on talking to my kids to understand what they are being taught. If issues come up where my wife and I disagree with the teacher, we tell our kids “answer what the teacher says, and know what you believe to be true. Don’t confuse the two.”
I would feel uncomfortable to think that strangers are teaching my kids about the reality, beauty and the intimacy of sex. They should teach them the mechanics of sex (biology). The rest is my job.
Now, what do we do about these overly fertile, undereducated, uncaring pieces of shit who are popping out babies, but have no intention of raising them?
**Obviously, I meant that the schools shouldn’t have to do it for me. Oops!**
But her daughter’s school taught what we’d consider “normal” sex-ed, not abstinence-only.
Where are you getting that information? Your imagination? Or do you have a source other than right wing blogs?
Yeah, I’d like to see a source for that infomation as well. I’ve been bewildered for days about how one advocates abstinence only education when one’s daughter is pregnant.
and on top of where is s/he getting it, HOW MANY TIMES ARE YOU GOING TO FUCKING POST IT?!
umm no, it shows teaching abstinence dosent work and kids will have sex anyway, therefore its important to teach them about contraception which is much more effective than teaching abstinence,
um kay?
Just because it didn’t work for her kid doesn’t mean it won’t work for SOME of our kids once she gets the power to dictate that all schools should only teach abstinence.
But it does show that it will fail for some kids.
So will teaching them about contraceptives. They have minds of their own, the little monsters. Some of them really do have deep moral convictions about sexuality, and will practice it if we take it seriously. Not all of them are just so horny they’re going to have sex no matter what you tell them.
I think people should be getting married sooner than they are.
Teen sex doesn’t have to be premarital sex.
(let’s see how this goes over..)
(Probably not well
)
Which is all the more reason abstinence should be listed as an option to sexual activity in addition to safe-sex practices. The problem is Palin and conservatives like her advocate abstinence only and adamantly work to prevent any and all mention of contraception. All options should be put on the table so teens can decide for themselves when the situation arises. This situation with Palin’s daughter belies the fact that teens are going to have sex regardless, so they should be educated on their options. If Bristol had been educated on this, her fiance may not have slipped one past the goalie and her sex-life would be alot more private than it is.
You don’t know that she wasn’t. YOU DON’T KNOW.
Some abstinence-only supporters do want their kids to not know about contraception, but others want to be the ones to tell their kids instead of the schools. You have no way of knowing what the Palins taught Bristol.
I personally would rather take the 92% success rate of the pill than the god knows what chance that some teenagers “might” apply abstinence-only education.
FTW, Megan. I’d tell them the safest sex is no sex, but contraception is safer than ignorance. (And less costly.)
By all means, teach abstinence. However, also teach contraception as not all teenagers will keep it in their pants. Hell, most of our parents didn’t. Why only teach one method of prevention? Why limit the options of the kids when a decent percentage will do it anyway?
Seriously, sex ed needs to be sex ed not Fear Mongering Ed.
No one, at all, is suggesting discouraging abstinence. But abstinence ONLY obviously doesn’t work. Teen pregnancy is up 30% in the past 8 years… here’s one more.
Not necessarily. She probably had the talk with her daughter, and as a parent, that’s pretty much all you can do. You can’t spy on your daughter 24/7. If your daughter is smart, she’ll listen to you and use a condom. So while in this case, you could cite a parenting fail, it’s really the daughter’s fault. Sarah Palin (hopefully) did her job as a parent by teaching her daughter the dangers of sexual activity. Unfortunately, her daughter decided to take the ‘in one ear and out the other’ route, resulting in the media having a field day with this incident. IMO it’s not gonna affect the votes in any way. I say leave the family out of the election.
oops, comment fail. That spiel above was a reply to Ceefax.
Yeah, I ignored the talk with my parents too (like most teens), but thanks to knowing thing one about birth control there are not “situations” to clear up. Just saying.
“If your daughter is smart, she’ll listen to you and use a condom.”
If you’re teaching ‘abstinence only’ education you don’t teach them about using condoms because supposedly teaching them about such things implies it’s OK to have sex. The idea is you just teach them don’t do it, and they don’t do it. But as we see here, it doesn’t work.
Actually Abstinence-Only education DOES teach about condoms. Specifically, it teaches that they DON’T WORK (despite a wealth of evidence proving otherwise) so when Abstinence-Only-educated kids decide to have sex anyway (as most ultimately do), they don’t bother using condoms at all.
That’s just ONE example of the misinformation perpetuated by the AO curriculum. There are plenty more. AO is little more than a collection of lies, sexism and scare tactics being passed off as “education.” Google “content of abstinence only education,” read the pdf and cringe in horror at what your kids are being taught with your taxes footing the bill.
Hey, it could be worse. Catholic Archbishops Bishops have not only been telling people in Africa that condoms don’t prevent AIDS, they’ve been telling them that condoms are deliberately infected with AIDS by evil Europeans to kill them off.
Racism at work.
One of the basic tenets of ‘abstinence only’ sex-education is that it completely avoids discussing contraception. It’s a moral stance which places high value on marriage and long term commitment to the family.
However despite huge levels of funding in the US over the last decade, there’s very little evidence that suggests advocating abstinence amongst teens actually reduces sexual activity, postively impacts sexual health figures OR lowers teen pregnancy rates.
The issue deserves discussion and I’m glad to see it get front page space, however I have concerns about the pressure the current interest exerts on Bristol Palin. What mother knowingly puts her pregnant 17 year old daughter front and centre of the international stage, as she must have known she would inevitably be doing.
The issue deserves discussion and I’m glad to see it get front page space, however I have concerns about the pressure the current interest exerts on Bristol Palin. What mother knowingly puts her pregnant 17 year old daughter front and centre of the international stage, as she must have known she would inevitably be doing.
I hear you. Look at that child’s face at the rally in Dayton. It’s hard enough just being 17, let alone 17, pregnant, and having the entire country know about it so that your mother would save political face.
The other thing that amazes me is the level of tolerance and acceptance for this girl. Social and religious conservatives are usually only this open for unwed teen mothers at Christmas. *shrug*
“The other thing that amazes me is the level of tolerance and acceptance for this girl. Social and religious conservatives are usually only this open for unwed teen mothers at Christmas. *shrug*”
See, this breaks my heart! The religious fanatics have led the general public to believe that we (as Christians/religious conservatives) think we’re better than/”holier-than” other people. We (as people who seek a relationship with Christ based on grace and not our own good deeds) are generally pretty forgiving people, because we’ve experienced that forgiveness for our many mistakes in our own lives. Yes, we have strong convictions, but we don’t generally believe we’re perfect, as a matter of fact, we probably understand better than most how utterly hopeless we are on our own.
Relationships with fairytale people are fun and sane.
Very nicely stated whitney.
Oh, my goodness! You are the only person on this entire site that has said anything remotely decent to me! Thank you! Not for agreeing with me, just for knowing how to speak respectfully to someone and not feel the need to have a war of sarcasm!
if only she’d taken it in one ear…she wouldn’t be pregnant!
“daughter decided to take the ‘in one ear and out the other’ route”. Would that be aural sex?
Not nearly as priceless as dragging the poor 17 year old into the political mudfest.
I’m voting Obama, but this crap is unacceptable.
Signed. I’m also voting Obama and am absolutely appalled. This poor young woman DOES NOT need the stress of the media — she’s already pregnant at seventeen and keeping the child, ffs.
I’m appalled that Palin comes out swinging claiming Obama doesn’t have any of the skills needed to lead the country when NEITHER does she! “Pot calling the kettle black” hello! Meanwhile, Obama is trying to defend her and her daughter from the media. I think this election has destroyed my ability to ever vote Republican.
Or how about the fact that Palin deliberately attacked Obama’s wife based upon the statement to leave families out of the candidacy? There’s a lot of stuff that Palin seems to do to intentionally rally people up instead of being a political “messiah” soccer-mom.
Just remember who brought it up in the first place… The news was disclosed by the McCain/Palin organization soon after Palin’s selection. Mommy dearest put her own daughter in the spotlight.
The better parenting move would have been to respectfully decline the nod, owing to “family issues”.
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So it is totally acceptable to attack a female vice presidential candidate for having flaws. That’s pretty strange how the table have turned. Remember when Bill Clinton had an affair with a White House intern and then he lied about it to America on television only to be proven wrong? Remember how all the media and the Liberals were shouting that it was okay because he was only human andit was just an affair and everybody cheats on their wives and the Republicans need to come off their high horse? Seems like we selectively forget when Democrats make mistakes but the whole world will jump on this poor 17 year old girl who doesn’t deserve this. Not to mention that all you libs out there are spouting about how they should use condoms or get abortions but certainly not abstain from sex because sex is not the problem, the problem is that pesky little baby that comes along in 9 months.
Grow up and stop picking on this poor girl.
at least she is keeping the baby and getting married and has a family who loves her.
We are attacking her because of the irony mostly.
You’re attacking her because you’re vicious jackasses.
Attacking her? Oh no. Attacking her mother, who is the personification of all the fucked up hypocritical crap that the Right Wing is known for. I don’t think anyone is blaming Bristol, I think they are blaming the parents, one of whom is running for the second highest office in the country based upon her supposed decision making abilities – thus, any and all decisions she has made are suspect and free game. Whats even scary is her position on Abortion – AGAINST even in times of RAPE and INCEST. Why? Because her religion says it wrong. My religion says its wrong to eat candybars. How fucked up would it be if i tried to impose that belief on all the fat kids in the world?
Yes, getting married at 17 solely due to pregnancy. That’s a recipe for a happy and long-lasting relationship if I ever heard one.
This.
n8 again hits the nail on the head. I feel sorry for the poor girl, have the baby, but dont’ get married just because you’re pregnant. I had a friend, a bit older, but in a similar situation. I didnt’ tell her what I thought she should do either way, whether to have the baby or not, but I was terrified she was going to marry the guy (who was kind of nuts) and drop out of school. Thankfully her parents were much more helpful than I thought they’d be and she didn’t marry the father (at least not right away) or drop out of college.
Any relationship is what you make it.
Plus, that’s not what happened, at all.
“We selectively forget when Democrats make mistakes”?
Memory fail. Clinton was IMPEACHED over that.
And, while we’re on the subject, liberals don’t say people should get abortions. They say people should have the right to choose to, if it’s what they want.
I’m not a devoted Democrat – I believe Ted Kennedy should prolly be getting out of prison around now for Chappaquiddick – but the “Abstinence Only” education policy is founded on the principle that what the classroom tells you will override what natural urges tell you and that’s a recipe for FAIL.
Wasn’t actually impeached. They were going through the proceedings but stopped short of actual impeachment. The only president to be impeached is still Andrew Johnson for daring to support Lincoln’s policies.
He was impeached… you don’t remember?
He was impeached, and found not guilty. “Impeachment” is analogous to an indictment.
The hypocrisy is yours, john Edwards cheated on his wife and that makes him immoral and unfit, Bill Clinton does same and you want him impeached John McCain cheated on his first wife but that doesn’t matter.
You constantly attack Barack Obamas wife but when it comes to Republican candidates it’s leave there family out of it even though we are not attacking this girl in any way, were merely pointing out the ineffective nature of sarah palins policies regarding sex education the fact that these methods failed within her own family is very relevant considering she wants them implemented throughout the country.
Finally why we point this out is the constant double standard people like you seem to judge things by, it’s clear and blatant hypocrisy. We are not saying McCain cheated on his wife so he’s unfit to lead YOU say someone cheating makes them unfit to lead and then change your mind when it’s a republican, if Sarah Palin was a democrat you would be all over this saying how much it proves democrats are immoral and cant manage there own family’s very likely attacking this girl directly instead of doing as we are and attacking the policies of her parent based on there failing within her own family, we do not take any moral issue with a teenage girl having sex as long as they wear protection, YOU do except when it’s a republican, that’s the point.
Yeah, dumping your crippled wife for a hot heiress … moral fiber!
McCain is getting on, he could use some more fiber in his diet.
Like cheating on your wife who has cancer ? Democrat fiber!
… and cheating on your ex-model wife who’s been in a car accident and can’t exercise anymore therefore gaining weight and no longer being hot and desirable? Republican fiber!
how about serving your wife with divorce papers while she’s recovering from a masectomy in the hospital — good ole Newt did that…. family values man, they’re doin’ it WRONG
How about hanging on to your President husband after he has numerous affairs just so you can run for the Senate and the Presidency? Democrat leech Fail !
Moral Fiber… Good for pushing the shit out… Or keeping it in, whatever.
Dustin,
Please look up the difference between “there”, “their” and “they’re” … I promise it’ll improve your life and make reading your posts more enjoyable for the rest of us. I happen to agree with some of what you said, btw.
Thx!
Dustin, I applaud you, but girlie is technically correct (the best kind of correct).
“they’re” >HINT: “apostrophe” begins with “a”, spelling out “they(a)re” -> “they are”; if the substitution works, use the contraction
“there” >HINT: just remember “Where? Here or tthere?”
“their” >HINT: “his and her; the plural possessive is the only containing an “i”
I have a lot of sympathy for the daughter and no one is picking on her. It is the mother we are concerned with.
This woman will (god forbid) have a significant amount of power if elected. She is very extremist in her views on abortion (even Cindy McCain doesn’t agree with her) and she doesn’t believe in birth control even for married couples. McCain already wants insurance to stop covering Birth Control now this woman will be backing that up.
She is pro-censoring of library books.
There is a video a year ago of her telling a reporter she hasn’t been following Iraq … and last night she was all about defending the nation.
She called Iraq God’s War and frankly, that terrifies me.
Her church almost makes Obama’s look reasonable, go watch some archived sermons. The pastor said people who disagreed with the president made him sick and were going to burn in hell. He said anyone that votes against Palin will also go to hell.
Her mother in law is in a party that wants Alaska to secede from the US and she and her husband were in it less than 10 years ago.
She attended college for Journalism on a beauty pageant scholarship … it is a bit shallow of me sure but really? really? for VP? really?
jellybeans, can you post the link, or general search info to these videos etc? I’m curious.
Of course not- it’s all hearsay!
Ha! Not really. For one, I’ve found an article and a video about her her crazy church, with a worldview and a view on Jesus Christ that my very religious Orthodox Christian parents would take huge issue with.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html
Fine the article is from a liberal news source, but I’m watching the video, and that is certainly not some leftie pinko commie creation. I can’t wait to see the reactions of my parents and very Evangelical Christian friends to it.
The church itself has taken down it’s videos due to exceeded bandwidth. I think it is Assembly of God Wasilla, should be easy to google.
Huffinton has most of the videos I referenced. You don’t have to read the articles, just listen to what she herself says.
Ok, I thought I posted a response before, but it’s not showing, if there ends up being a double post, sorry folks!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html
Yes. the video on that page is a liberal pinko commie heresay.
I can’t wait to hear the reaction of my very Christian parents and friends.
God wants pipelines in Alaska….good grief. It would be funny, if they weren’t dead serious.
I know I’m shooting retarded fish in bucket with a howitzer, but for all these things that God wants (pipelines, no more gay or brown people, $.94 gasoline), why doesn’t He just substantiate them? I mean, not only did he create the universe in six days, but he also buried dinosaur bones everywhere, just to fuck with people’s heads.
You just need to BELIEVE HARDER. Or something.
BELIEVE HARDER
ITS A VIRTUE TO BELIEVE IN THINGS WITH NO PROOF
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Like Obama’s abilities and experience ?
You mean his ability to lead more people more effectively for a longer period of time or were you talking about Palin’s ability to govern a town without adecent functioning fire department and a family history of shotgun weddings that produce children less than 8 months later (look at her own records)
Or maybe her abilities to accept or “reword” the situation surrounding gifts and special treatments experience enough to rule the country.
That really super scares me about the birth control thing. Some of use medically need hormonal supplements not just for birth control but to live day by day. I already pocket out 120 per 3 months for the stuff I’m on
I can’t imagine having no insurance to cover that ; ; < College Student ; ;
I know, my mom and sister both need it for medical reasons… too bad there are all those evil bimbos having sex before marriage and putting the hormones to use for ill!!!
I’m with you, my doctor put me on birth control for medical reasons that have nothing to do with sex. It is horrifying that someone who knows nothing about me can stand there and say I shouldn’t be using it and that if I do I should be paying for it myself. Especially since Viagra is covered by most insurance plans and John McCain has no plans to change that.
You seem awfully obsessed with McCain and Viagra….. Having those embarassing dreams again?
I need it too. I’ve need it for regulation since high school, and so this thing scares the shit out of me too.
Birth Control pills are often used for more than just birth control.
I don’t know if that will be an exclusion if she and McCain get their way but I hope they would be that reasonable.
She is even more extreme in most of her views than Cindy McCain though so who knows?
Lots of conservatives were pretty pissed when Bill did that. The only reason why we didn’t see captions like that about him was that the internet wasn’t as big as it is today back then. But yeah, there was definitely an uproar. Palin is not being singled out, all politicians get their names dragged through the mud when they make a mistake.
Also the irony is pretty obvious…
At least she’s getting married, that’s true.
What bugs me about this whole mess is how quickly Palin assured us that they were getting married, but not a single word about if the girl plans on finishing high school.
Priorities. Palin has them.
“Grow up and stop picking on this girl.”
Republicans want the girl left alone? That’s interesting, especially for a party who spends most of their time slinging mud. I think it’s high time that dems return that mud right back at them. Barrack was much too kind telling everyone to leave this subject alone.
Actually Republicans tend to make a platform based off their moral superiority and small town values, thus they are the ones actually calling attention when this sort of thing happens.
We notice more when it is cops breaking the law right? Well, we will notice the moral high horse riders more when they fuck up, mostly because they talk about how much they don’t.
I don’t recall Bill Clinton riding a platform of sexual abstinence and high morality. McCain and Palin are. That’s apples and nose hairs you be comparing.
OMG people, when will people realize that teenagers aren’t smart enough to properly use a condom? The “education” they receive in school has NOTHING to do with their chances of getting pregnant or getting someone pregnant. It’s such a tired, lame ass argument.
I’m giving Bristol much respect for not killing the baby.
They’re not? I was. If you tell teen guys that condoms are the way to avoid babies and the clap, a lot of them will take that knowledge on board. There’s absolutely no upside in withholding that advice.
I never said to withhold that advice, just that the boys and girls can get things wrong in the heat of the moment. Horny boy = dumb boy.
PULEEEEEEESE stop putting this just on the guy.
Girls should be just as responsible in making sure the guy wraps his rascal.
This isn’t JUST the guy’s responsibility.
Very true, I keep condoms in my purse. Ask, “do you have a condom?” if they don’t, tada! You’re prepared! If not, your night better be done, baby.
Liberal chicks are easy !
(giggity goo)
well this clearly illustrates the stupidity of Republicans they cant even figure out how to work condoms, it’s a piece of rubber that goes over your knob it’s really not at all complicated.
So what are you saying DOES have something to do with there chances of getting pregnant? morality? there upbringing? if thats the case why does the bible belt have the highest number of teen pregnancy’s?
the average age to become sexually active is 16 the average age of first pregnancy is 30 how is this possibly achieved without using contraceptives? the answer is it’s not. Teenagers who are given a comprehensive sex education and have access to prophylactics will use them thus preventing pregnancy and STDs a teenager told nothing but “don’t have sex it’s evil and you’ll go to hell if you do!” wont listen and then wind up 17 unmarried pregnant in clear violation of there own ethical position and the only rebuttal anyone seeking to dismiss fault in it will have is “teenagers are to dumb to use condom!s” and “well at least shes not killing it!” one a clear lie and the other completely changing the subject in hopes the most dim amongst us wont notice the hypocrisy.
Teenagers ARE pretty dumb. Have you asked any lately about their sexual practices? Most of them can easily get contraception but DON’T. And that’s dumb.
Not every parent that teaches abstinence tells their kid they are going to hell if they have sex, that’s beyond stupid. Way beyond. And such a stereotypical view on your part.
I give her RESPECT for not killing a baby. That’s not hypocrisy at all. That’s merely me stating that I think life is precious and it takes more strength of character to keep it than to kill it out of convenience.
Averages are just numbers. How many women do you know that wait until they are almost too old to have children? I know plenty of first time moms that are 40 plus, so your argument about contraception is really just irrelevant.
You’ve read WAY too much into my statement and I hit a nerve with you because I am pro life and people like you apparently can’t stomach that.
No, it makes you a hypocrtie if you are pro life and pro death penalty.
Because killing a guilty person (usually guilty of taking multiple lives in horrendous ways) is equal to killing an innocent, unborn child.
Yeah, great logic there.
It is hypocritical as your bible says “Thou shalt not kill.” not “Thou shalt only kill those people you can come up with a reasonable rationalization for.”
No, the Bible says “Thou shalt not murder.”
Killing someone does not always = murder.
Can we please stop saying that we respect Bristol Palin for not “killing her baby” as you put it? Contrary to popular belief people who are pro-choice aren’t just sitting around waiting for the chance to go abort some fetuses. Furthermore, we are not talking about parents who teach abstinance, we are talking about Abstinance Only Education which is a political movement you should go research before you embarrass yourself further.
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*sigh* And here I was thinking I wasn’t even going to comment on this picture because we talked about all this on the last three lols.
I can respect her all day. If you don’t then who cares? I respect her for not killing her baby. I won’t stop saying that because it makes you uncomfortable.
Google says: Did you mean “abstinence?”
I’d respect her more if she said “it’s not the right time to bring a child into this world, I couldn’t do right by it, so I’m not going to have it.” Just because people can procreate, doesn’t mean they should, and it certainly doesn’t mean that they must.
Personally, I’m pro life, but I’m increasingly becoming more sympathetic to cases like this. I just hope all turns out well. It sucks that Bristol now must become a political issue.
There’s always adoption.
There’s still the costs of BEING pregnant and the complications that go with that. In my mind, the best policy is prevent in any way you can. TEACH safe sex and all the options out there: abstinence, contraceptives, what have you.
*Applause* Thank you! Surely even if we can’t all agree on abortion, we can come to that compromise, can’t we?
One would hope, but bible-thumpers just despise contraceptives as it “encourages sex”. What?
Yet I have yet to hear them ever complain about Viagra though the same logic could say that it encourages men to commit adultery and be just as “sound” an assumption.
Countering arguments by picking on spelling typos is the defence of a small mind who can’t think of anything more substantial to say. I’m not uncomfortable with you “respecting” Bristol Palin. I think my feelings on the matter would best be described as pity that you are so lacking in wit and intelligence you confuse carrying a baby to term with the support of your politically connected mother with some sort of personal sacrifice and heroism. Why don’t you go to an inner city school, find a 17 year old who is pregnant and tell them that you “respect” them for not killing their babies and see how far that gets you. While you’re at it, why don’t you point out to these young ladies that if they and their boyfriends weren’t so stupid they couldn’t figure out how to work a condom (because all teenagers are stupid and condom usage is clearly paramount to flying the space shuttle) they wouldn’t get to be such brave heroes and carry their unwanted babies.
Did you mean defense? You should learn to spell before you embarrass yourself further.
I HAVE been to an inner city and I absolutely DO RESPECT anyone that chooses life over death. You don’t know me or my situation. You try to shame me for being judgmental and you are just as bad.
Arguing that life is precious is pointless on this site apparently. Having an opinion that differs from yours is also pointless.
I love Liberals. So tolerant.
I was right, you do have a small mind. I’m sorry I don’t have the time to run all my posts through the spell checker before putting them up, I do have a life outside of PK after all. Perhaps when you come back from your tourist jaunt through the inner city you’ll realize the phrase “I love Liberals. So tolerant.” is an all encompassing generalization that demonstrates the same lack of tolerance you are accusing other of. You might also realize that “So tolerant.” is a sentence fragment and incorrect grammer, but since it’s the internet and not serious business I’ll not count that against your intelligence.
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Second point, I actually wasn’t accusing you of being judgemental. You may have gotten an A in spelling but your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. I was, in fact, accusing you of being a moron for thinking teenagers are “too stupid” to figure out how to use a condom, and I was accusing you of being a sanctimonious snot.
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Last point, you said, “Having an opinion that differs from yours is also pointless.” You stated your opinion, and I disagreed with it. You came back with a rather nasty attack on my spelling, so I think you need to work on your own tolerance in hearing differing opinions before you expect it in others.
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Fandom +1
Oh, and while we’re on the the subject, let me point some things out.
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“And that’s dumb.” This is a sentence fragment.
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“Way beyond.” This is a sentence fragment.
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“And such a stereotypical view on your part.” This is a sentence fragment.
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“oh my, didn’t see that brilliant comment coming!” For once, this is not a sentence fragment, however it DID need to start with a capitol letter.
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Do you now see how petty and stupid you sound when your strongest arguments are an attack on the other person’s spelling? So that we all learn something today, I’m going to leave you with a few fun facts.
1. Napoleon was considered a great general, if also a meglomaniac. He was also famous for his poor spelling. He once said, “A man occupied with public or other important business cannot, and need not, attend to spelling.”
2. Mark Twain is considered one of the most famous and well loved among American authors. He was also famous for his poor spelling. As a joke he once said, “I don’t think much of a man that can spell a word only one way!”
3. Finally, Andrew Jackson, our seventh president, was revered as a hero after his victory in New Orleans in 1814. He is credited with many things, one of the more lesser known is the origination of the phrase “O.K.” When approving an item he would write O.K. and his signiture. When asked what it meant he said he was abbreviating “all correct” which he spelled “owl korrect”.
Now, do you feel like leaving spelling out of this so you can come debate with the big kids?
Too wordy ! Tighten up those sentences; you’re writing like the UnaBomber !
Well since the comment wasn’t directed at you, I didn’t bother writing on a first grade level so that you could read it. I’ll see if I can include some pictures for you next time, half-wit.
I want you to teach my children.
both defence and defense are acceptable variations on the spelling little miss spell checker
“I give her RESPECT for not killing a baby. That’s not hypocrisy at all. That’s merely me stating that I think life is precious and it takes more strength of character to keep it than to kill it out of convenience.”
I own a full set of coat hangers, and I’ve never killed a baby with them. Do I get your respect too?
It’s not just a matter of convenience and should not be dismissed as such. Some people recognize that they would make lousy parents or otherwise don’t trust themselves to raise a child to be healthy. I never wanted kids because I HATED my childhood and I didn’t want to inflict what I had to go through on anyone else.
Furthermore – Palin insists abortion should be illegal even in cases of rape or incest. I know some victims of rape and they can tell you it is the most traumatic form of personal violation imaginable (if indeed you can imagine it – if you share Palin’s views, you probably can’t). And as bad as that is – the only thing I can imagine that would be even worse would be getting raped and then having to bring the rapist’s baby to term. Nine months of constant reminders of a horror of such magnitude you wish you’d never been born. If I had a uterus, I sure as hell wouldn’t do that, and I don’t think anyone who hasn’t been raped has the right to tell *anyone* that they have to.
I agree with all of this. Also, there’s the case of incest .Why should some teenage girl have to carry her own father’s/uncle’s/grandfather’s child for 9 months? Chances are, she’ll kill herself because she won’t be able to get an abortion. And when this happens, there’s no sympathy for the girl who didn’t want to get pregnant in the first place-it’s all for the ‘poor unborn baby’. And if she does have the baby, she won’t be able to answer the question of who’s the father if asked due to the utter embarrassment of the fact that it was someone in her own family.
Plus, that child would be born into the same incestuous family herself. I used to know a girl whose father, grandfather and great-grandfather were all the same man (and I use that term loosely here). She got pregnant, and I’ll give you three guesses who the father was. I’m not saying she should have been forced into an abortion, but I also don’t think she should have been forced to bring a child into that family.
1) If you think dying is hard, try living. For lots of people life is a crapshoot and so not precious. I know plenty of people who wish they were aborted. There, I said it.
2) Kids know how to use condoms, they’re just embarrassed to get them, even when they’re free. I remember the piles of them sitting in a bowl in the health office a few years ago, and that was college. If college students won’t take free condoms comfortably, high school students surely wont.
Sex is just taboo in America. People who don’t want sex ed taught in schools are partially to blame for this. Not talking about sex and placing shame on it isn’t going to take the idea of sex out of your children’s heads or make it go away or even prevent your teenage daughter from becoming pregnant. Hence, Palin’s pregnant, unwed, teenage daughter.
3) Those who believe that all life should come to be despite, rape, incest, etc. are seriously tempting fate.
hmmmm … I’m pretty sure the average sexually active teenage male, if he can operate any sort of game console, has the necessary co-ordination and brain capacity to correctly use a condom.
And if not, someone else, who doesn’t want to be a teenage mother OR end up with a sexually transmitted disease, could fit it for him.
This is provided either of them have received instruction in how to do this.
Trying to scare them into not having sex with stories of how ineffective condoms are doesn’t seem to be working.
Clearly you’ve never had sex with a teenage boy!
Clearly you’ve only had sex with idiots.
oh my, didn’t see that brilliant comment coming! You got me, you got me…
It’s so sad that you see all teenagers as stupid. I hope you haven’t had kids, the arrogance you would undoubtedly display toward them would really screw them up.
Sadly, since neither she or her teenage boyfriend knows how to use a condom that’s going to happen in 4…3…2…
..1…. WIN!!
Why would you want to? Get ‘em older and more experienced
They use a condom AND have a decent paycheck!
Good point Dude. They have a decent paycheck if they aren’t paying child support to someone they knocked up as a teenager. THEN they know how to use a condom!!
Does the knowledge of how to use a condom get downloaded into your brain when you become an adult? Like the Matrix maybe?
More often, it comes from having friends with unwanted pregnancies.
And sometimes it comes from having relatively simple manual dexterity. As a sexually active 18 year old male, I can honestly say that I have always made use of condoms during sex, and that I never had to ‘learn’ how to use one. The idea is relatively straight forward.
lots of condoms also come with handy dandy instructions on the packet, some even have pretty pictures
Yeah…. I’m not so sure you should be proudly proclaiming that. Whatever floats your boat I guess (looks up statatory rape laws)
I’m sorry, my fiancee’ had enough brains to get on birth control when we were in high school.
Maybe you were that stupid when you were a teenager, but my high school boyfriend and I weren’t. We used more than one form of birth control, and guess what? We’re disease and child/abortion free because of it.
I’m sorry, didn’t you know? If you’re pro-choice and you get pregnant you HAVE to get an abortion. I know some people are thinking they might not want an abortion but it’s required. Didn’t you read the fine print when you signed the pro-choice contract?
Ha! Silly me! It’s not really a pro-*choice* movement, that’s just a nice name for the ‘force people to get abortions movement’.
I’m Pro-life but I still believe that abortions should be allowed up to the age of 18. Piss your mom off and she aborts you.
Ha, I could not help but chuckle at that!
Apparently I’m not the only one who had a mother that would say, “I brought you into this world young lady, and I can take you out!”
Word. My mother routinely told us what she’d do if we dared to screw up: kick us out of the house to fend for ourselves. We lived in fear of her, as it should be. And we turned out awesomely.
Did you also try to sit directly behind her in the car so when she reached around to smack you she couldn’t get the leverage to make a good hit?
Your comments overall sicken me. I’m 22 years old and haven’t had one person that I knew personally become a teenager pregnant. Some of those “stupid teenagers” you call them DO take things, even though it may look as being “selfish”, seriously because in the end, they can realize in the heat of the moment that maybe it ISN’T time to have something else to support when they cannot support themselves.
Either you had some kind of “incident” where someone didn’t use a condom when you were ready to get it on, or your child (probably a teenager) came home pregnant one day and said “it just happened” for you to even have these views.
I can’t believe I’m even commenting on this T_T. /sigh. Sorry if it doesn’t even make sense. I’m too disgusted to even properly write
“OMG people, when will people realize that teenagers aren’t smart enough to properly use a condom?”
I was. A lot of kids are. We don’t know the circumstances behind the event. She may have wanted to use one, and he refused. You want to pick on somebody, pick on Bristol’s hubby-by-shotgun. Where were his brains?
I think a useful analogy is to take sex out of it altogether: you take driver’s ed and learn to drive a car. You’re told, even SHOWN, what happens to people who drag-race or drive drunk, but kids often do it anyway. The “It can’t happen to me” mentality exists and looking the other way won’t change that.
Yes, you can (and bloody SHOULD) explain the risks to teenagers. Some will learn and resist the impulse, but others will still seek the thrills.
I think we all know where his “brains” were at the time.
Agreed. Someone higher up mentioned that this kid can prolly operate a game console, but the point needs to be made that he can do so when his blood is in his BRAIN, as opposed to surging elsewhere to engorge tissue.
There’s a vas deferens between being able to think in one situation and the other.
Oh come on. No comments? That was an AWESOME pun.
It was well, done, but, as someone about whom the comment was being made, it was also rather offensive. Some of us have enough blood to operate both organs simultaneously in relatively useful capacities.
Yeah, that’s the important part. Giving birth to the baby.
Whoa, what kind of teenagers do you know? Fortunately we were taught a comprehensive sex-ed curriculum in my school, and I got myself on birth control before I even lost my virginity. I STILL use condoms, even in a monogamous relationship. And just to show that knowing how to protect yourself doesn’t promote teenage sex: my best friend (who was in the exact same health class) is still a virgin at age 20, even though she’s been with the same guy for over a year and doesn’t find premarital sex morally wrong. She has no plans to change that anytime soon.
On the other side, I have a friend who went to a high school which taught abstinence-only, she hardly ever uses a condom, both of her sisters are enjoying unplanned pregnancies, as did her former classmate, who ended up getting an abortion, which I give her much respect for.
It is not enough to talk about condoms, you have to make them available.
The teenagers live in a very small town. If they buy the rubbers at the drugstore, mom and dad will probably hear about it. It is better to just supply the child with condoms. Let them know that there is a handful in the glove compartment and a handful for her purse. Let it be known that you aren’t counting them.
Remember to discuss the other side effects to sex. Make sure the teenagers know that they have to clean up the car afterwards. Nobody likes to find used birth control.
Sarah Paling reminds me of Kitty Farmer from Donny Darko, I keep expecting her to say “Sometimes I question your commitment to Sparkle Motion!”
That needs to be a lol.
I concur, wholeheartedly.
Only a democrat would make a useless caption like this. Still butthurt from getting your asses handed to you last night?
I’m looking foward to all the useless repub captions when they get the ultimate butthurt in November.
WIN
Don’t get your hopes up, those don’t get posted.
I’m not sure what you mean by “getting your asses handed to you”. Then again, Sarah Palin’s voice was so high pitched it was making my dog’s ears bleed so we had to turn it off.
Hahaha. I haven’t been able to listen to her who speech either. I read it, after trying to watch the thing online this morning. Not only was the shrillness killing me 10 minutes in, but I looked at how long the speech was and thought, ‘am I going to waste 30 minutes of my life listening to this waffle? No.”
What was intriguing was the fact that, no matter how easily contradicted or outright fabricated her words were, no matter how uninspiring and vapid, the Repubs still cheered like she was handing out free money. I guess if they hear that sh-t tastes good often enough, they’ll cheer for every new mouthful.
…and they say Obama supporters are cultists…
I know, all that garbage about Obama raising taxes was downright false! And seriously, they accuse Obama of not talking about issues and policy? Obama and Biden laid out policy in their speeches last week, with goals and specifics. Where was her policy? Oh, right, maybe she has no idea what do because she was the mayor of a small down, and a state with a smaller population than San Francisco. She also probably still doesn’t know what a VP does.
Trying to act oblivious on the internet makes you cool
No, acting oblivious on the internet makes you Sig.
Obama should have done his O’Reilly interview last night instead of tonight.
He was extending the Republicans the same courtesy they extended to us: let a party have it’s four days of convention in peace before launching attacks.
It was a good interview, btw.
McCain’s choice of Palin was the ultimate middle finger to the fundies. Why? It’s no secret that fundies hate McCain. So McCain picks a VP for fundies to fap over – loves religion, loves creationism, doesn’t want gay marriage, doesn’t want abortion, doesn’t want sex ed or birth control. And then it comes out that her underage daughter not only drank and had premarital sex but is pregnant. McCain shoved a load down the fundies’ throats and now they have to smile while swallowing. lol!
It’s OK when Republicans do these things though, in fact it shows strength of character. Let’s ask Bill O’Reilly
“Now most teens are pinheads in some ways. But here the blame falls primarily on the parents of the girl, who obviously have little control over her”
Oh, wait, he was talking about the Spears family, not the Palins.
O’Reilly needs to realize that kids are not robots or slaves which will do as you command.
Andrea Mackis sure wasn’t.
Um, a designer power dress suit costs a hell of a lot more than $300. More like $2-3k.
And it’s Dolce & Gabbana, not Dolce Gabbana. It’s called that because the company was started by the Italian designers Domenico Dolce and Stefano Gabbana.
Joke was conveyed, or would be if you hadn’t been nitpicking over cost. Next time, you can come up more accurate prices but less humorous a joke. Feel free to build your own, more accuartely priced version!
Republicans whining about not bringing people’s family into politics must have missed their own party trumpeting the fact she kept her down’s syndrome kid and the fact her daughter* kept her kid to beef up her pro-life credentials
* The fact thar Bristol going along with the pregnancy is presented as giving pro-life points to Sarah also clarifies what everyone knew all along, that Bristol has no choice in the matter, just like she has no choice about marrying the foul mouthed redneck who’s just had a makeover at RNC HQ.
Not a very good make over …
Plus he is now a drop-out. He isn’t enrolled in school anymore and his mom refuses to say if he is still attending at all – says he will have to be the one that answers that (which means drop out)
What a lucky girl!
Shoot, he doesn’t need a job! He’ll be married to the daughter of the Vice President and living off the dole!!
Not Bob Dole, though.
ST. PAUL, Minn. – People: Make up your minds.
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For two days, the chorus from Republicans on TV news and in the halls of the convention has been resounding: Back off and let the Palin family be. “That’s out of bounds,” said Minnesota’s Republican governor, Tim Pawlenty. “There’s no need to be intrusive and pry into that.”
Yet Wednesday found the following scenes unfolding:
_Sarah Palin’s pregnant, unmarried 17-year-old daughter and probable future son-in-law stood in a nationally televised, politically packaged airport receiving line to meet and greet the Republican candidate for president.
_The extremely cute and bubbly Piper Palin, 7, made her debut on her mother’s behalf, appearing in a video on John McCain’s daughter’s blog. “Vote for my mommy and John McCain,” she said, giggling as Meghan McCain grinned.
_Bristol Palin and her 18-year-old boyfriend, Levi Johnston, sat and held hands as they watched the Alaska governor deliver an acceptance speech that, in its opening minutes, focused heavily on her family and children. Later, the family — including Johnston — ascended the stage, basked in an extended ovation and waved.
Huh? The Republican message about the Palin offspring comes across as contradictory: Hey, media, leave those kids alone — so we can use them as we see fit.
It’s not really contradictory. Regardless of how you feel, its an important moment for the family as a whole, and they should all be there. I would expect no less from any other candidates family.
What would you have them do, hide the family away?
Yea, but the Obama kids can be front and center even though they are off limits, except for the Access Hollywood interview…
Do you really want to attack Obama’s children? I’d be interested to hear on what grounds.
No, I DON’T want to attack them, so why does everyone want to attack Sarah’s children? I’ve heard everything including criticism of their names! No one made fun of Obama’s kids names… they are different aren’t they?
That’d be racist!
I don’t want to attack Sarah’s children. I think the pregnancy thing is a bit funny because it puts the abstinence only stance into question, but I think it’s not a huge deal and by no mean’s the most objectional think about Palin.
I think the names she gave her kids are pretty odd and terrible, but that’s not her kids fault, and really, naming is subjective. I’m not being 100 percent seriously when I joke about their names. I have a bit of a doozy of a name myself.
Families wanting to support their loved ones as they run for office is perfectly reasonable. Parading them about in front of the media like glorified show ponies is TACKY. Especially the very young children. Parents should love and protect their offspring, not use them as political shills.
Yeah, but I’m sure People magazine paid them enough money to make that spotlight a little more comfortable for them.
Some of the photos they had of them posing with McCain on MSNBC’s website this morning just cracked me up. It looked like the promotional photos for some wacky new sitcom…….Wait, that could be a brilliant idea! What would the sitcom be called?
Everybody Loves Palin
Democrats have to attack Sarah Palin’s children.
Obama is running scared and it’s all he has.
A) The same media John McCain compalined of not giving him enough attention and giving Barack too much were the ones that pulled the skeletons out of Palin’s closet, not Barack or the Dems.
B) She’s being fairly scrutinized because she’s trying to run on a theme of being a family oriented “hockey mom” and ironically, and paraded her pregnant daughter around as some testament to Republican “family values” in the first place.
C) Barack and Biden will hand her and McCain their heads on a silver platter come debate time.
The only place the Barack/Biden ticket will be running to is the White House.
“Democrats have to attack Sarah Palin’s children.
Obama is running scared and it’s all he has.”
I’d post the list of what’s wrong with McCain (and that’s just McCain – without even having to go into what’s wrong with Palin), but I’d exceed my company’s bandwidth.
Hmm, sounds like either 1) your company doesn’t have the internet, or 2) you are unemployed…
Show me Obama’s birth certificate, oh wait. Each side has plenty of flaws, they’re politicians. But when you have to resort to picking on one of the kids of these politicians, it really shows how far you HAVE to reach to come up with anything worthwhile.
It still absolutely astonishes me how these kids who are taught abstinence only (typically drilled into their head by their FAMILY) absolutely refuse to buy and use condoms when they decide to have sex. It just makes no sense to me at all.
Lucky for me, I had friends… not the best for information, but still, they gave me SOMETHING to work with other than “having sex=burning in hell”
Yeah I’m sure it’s only those kids who are getting pregnant.
The reason it doesn’t make sense, is because it isn’t true. Kids use poor judgment. They are drunk or horny or whatever, and there isn’t a condom handy, but they just wanna get laid so they make a bad judgment call and… boom… pregnant. There is no “refusal.” It’s not like they go “Okay we’re gonna have sex but a condom is wrong so we cant use one!!! Durr!!”. In fact, they aren’t thinking at all.
They may have been using the “Don’t worry, I’ll pull out” method of birth control. I doubt they put enough thought into it to be applying the Rhythm Method. :/
Who’s seen that the same news source that first reported Edward’s affair is now reporting Palin had an affair with her husband’s business partner?
Do they have pictures of her coming in and out of the hotel like they did with Edward’s?
I don’t know yet, get back to you later.
No pictures yet. Still, I wasn’t convinced by the Edwards photos. “Umm, so you have a picture of him leaving a hotel, but no incriminating photo WITH another woman? I’m unconvinced.”
Fortunately for all you righties out there, I think we can count on Palin to never admit to an affair, even if it’s true. No matter what evidence shows up.
What evidence is there? Someone she pissed off trying to mess her up?
Interesting. I wonder if that’ll end up being anything?
All we need now is for her to have an abortion and split up from her boyfriend and we’re sorted for November
Do you know how mental the Republican party looks from outside the US?
Do you know how mental the US looks from outside the US? It isn’t pretty.
Yeah… guess what? The rest of the world hates the U.S. regardless of the political party you belong to. Its not like bad foreign policy and corporate expansionism is specific to a single party.
London Times reports Palin as an appalling candidate … to back up this statement
Like anything you have to say is relevant !
you are a paragon of sense and virtue
That is very well said.
good thing they dont have to vote for her
The rest of the world loved Bill Clinton.
… especially communist nations. I mean, that’s who you want to like your president, right?
It’s too late for her to have an abortion. Oh wait, Obama doesn’t think so.
Yes, it is too late, unless there’s a serious threat to the mother’s health.
WIN!! good one
Not that her Bible thumping mom would have let her have one in the first or second trimester anyway. It’s laughable to even entertain the idea that she or the father really had a choice to keep the fetus or get married whether Palin was running for any position or just another right-wing, evangelical, hockey mom.
I can’t honestly say I know many Pro-Choice advocate parents that would want their daughter to abort it either. Just saying.
But do you know many parents of either belief that would have used said daughter to further their political ambitions?
I must have missed the “Look at my daughter, she’s preggo!” conference.
Picture would be funnier if it made some kind of logical sense. I get the point the author was trying to make, but we do not know what kind of sex ed she had, and besides that she’s 17, I’m sure she knew about condoms and birth control, and just screwed up one time. I skipped sex ed as a kid and I still knew everything there was to know. Why is everyone trying to absolve this girl of her own personal responsibilities?
Anyone else have ANY thoughts about the statutory rape aspect? That kid in Georgia got 4 years for being 18 with a 17 year old GF … I guess Levi lucked out that the parents don’t want to press charges.
There is no such aspect. The laws differ from state to state. In most states there is a “2 year rule.” I.e. a 19 year old can have sex with a 17 year old, and an 18 year old with a 16 year old. Also the age of consent is flat out 16 in some states.
Alaska included. In Alaska the age of consent is 16, and they only recognise stat-rape for age differences greater than 3 years.
So in Alaska a 16-year-old can have sex with a 13-year-old, and there’s nothing illegal about it? That’s disturbing.
I think you missed the “In Alaska the age of consent is 16″ bit…
Also I’m not sure what you mean by the kid in Georgia. Consent is 16 in Georgia and they have a FOUR year rule.
I was pretty sure it was a case with the kid railroaded at 18/17 but it was 17/15 sorry.
That is what I get for listening to people and not reading it myself.
GEORGIA: According to the statute, anyone who has sex with someone under the age of 16 could be charged with statutory rape. However, the statute also states that, “if the victim is 14 or 15 years of age and the person so convicted is no more than three years older than the victim, such person, in the discretion of the court, be punished as for a misdemeanor.”
This kid was 2 years 3 months older than the girl and was charged as a felony with a 4 year sentence… Nothing to do with Levi though unless they started “dating” 2 years ago
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/conditions/09/03/teen.pregnancy/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
Game Set and Match. Sorry guys, “Abstinence-only” programs DO NOT WORK. Sure the daughter’s school might have taught her about birth control, but when mom is giving out a different message (I.E. it should be illegal), what kind of message does that send to the child about using it?
Kids will have sex. That is a given. They can offer the child their own personal opinion about when they should be having sex (i.e. when they are married) but the best advice any parent should give their kid is to at least be safe when doing it. If you don’t, you’re a bad parent.
NEWSFLASH!
The father of Palin’s grandchild is …..John Edwards!
Lol!
That’s awful, but quite funny.
Let’s all stop attacking families and especially kids of the enemy …
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Incidentally, in 1998 Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz, told the following joke at a Republican fundraiser:
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“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?” McCain joked about the then-President’s then-teenage daughter. “Because her father is Janet Reno.”
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What a hypocritical ass
That’s actually hilarious.
And, oh my god, 1 Chelsea Clinton joke.
Of course, there’s all the crap about the Bush daughters that was non-stop from the beginning of 2000 til the election.
To be fair, I seem to recall videos of the Bush daughters drinking with fake IDs, so, it isn’t as if there wasn’t a certain amount of reason behind the attacks.
I heard that he said it was Janet Reno’s…er…male genitalia. Yeah. Classy.
For everything else there’s the Republican party.
Of course, no child would ever do something stupid or inadvisable after their parents offer some friendly advice. I mean, I know I’ve never done something stupid my parents warned me about and later regretted it.
Oh, wait…
If Sarah Palin told her daughter to use condoms she’s a hypocrite and a liar. If she didn’t, she’s an idiot.
Stop making sense, the yuppie’s the infest both here and digg don’t understand it. At all…
Um.
Did anyone stop to consider that, perhaps, the daughter obtained birth control on her own and it *GASP* didn’t work?!? That’s been known to happen from time to time, you know.
There are still ways to deal with that immediately afterwards, though, that may have been an ugly option living in a town of 9,000.
Yeah, happened to me. I just got an abortion. No bigge
I’m a teen parent, I have a 3 month old and I just turned 18 yesterday. I conceived her while using a condom, when I saw that it broke I sought the Plan B pill, which I assume is what you mean by “ways to deal with it immediately afterwards.” Apparently you have to be 18 to get it, by the time I had the chance to speak with my mom about it (I hardly ever see her) it was much too late to use it. Anywho I’m in basically the same situation as Palin’s daughter. I’m also engaged, though I have been for a few years now (I’m sure it seems silly, getting engaged so young, but I am so sure of myself and my decision.. it’s not just because I have a child with him either) I just think it’s silly to assume so many things about her.
Actually, you have to realize that we aren’t really attacking the girl. Bristol is a girl being used for political gain. She is going to be marrying a school drop out and having a baby before she is even 19. She is already being used as babysitter service for Mom’s newest child.
What we are attacking is the fact that the mother is a person who advocates abstinence only education and opposes birth control. So depending on what she said to Bristol as a mother, she is either a hypocrite or an idiot.
Birth control does fail, yes, I’ve had it fail on me twice (first condoms failed then the depo shot, my body rejected the shot) and, in states like Louisiana, it’s so hard to get an abortion that, by the time you find a doctor who’ll do it and go through all the red tape this state requires, it was too late in term to deal with it and I was forced to carry full term, I now have permanent health problems due to my second pregnancy’s complications as well as I refuse to even be intimate with my husband due to complete fear of becoming pregnant again. Many people try to judge me for getting pregnant with an unwanted child with my husband (We put the children up for adoption because I wanted them to have a family who actually wanted children) but, at least I know that it wasn’t due to carelessness, it was due to birth control failing.
I think it’s sickening that they refused to give you the plan B pill just because you were under 18, if anything those under 18 need to have it available to them the most! If McCain and Palin get into office, things will be a thousand times worse and women will become slaves to biology. I don’t have anything against young mothers, but I do have something against those who refuse them the help they need.
Palin just seems to really hate other women. You want an abortion? Tough. You want contraception? Tough. You don’t want children? Tough. You want a career? Tough – YOUR JOB IS AT HOME BREEDING FOR JESUS.
Obama, for speaking out about women’s rights gets my love. Not some daft cow who would take women back into the dark ages.
CDthe, I’m with you on that one! If McCain and Palin get in office, I’m selling my business and leaving the country!
You have that little faith in a Democrat majority Congress? Maybe you should leave the country now. Besides, read up on Palin, she’s all for girl-power, she just doesn’t believe killing other people should be allowed, even if that person is dependent on you, and of course living inside of you.
This is priceless in and of itself! And soooooooooooooo true. Let’s throw it at the Republicans, who’ve been extra whiny on the site lately. Still sore losers, I guess…my my my, will they EVER move on???????
This LOL was pre-election. We’ve ALL moved on.
come back to the future!
Excuse me? Can you please show us where the Republicans have been extra whiny?
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I have a better suggestion, get the phuck off my lawn!
Way to unite the political ideology spectrum.
Fu(knut.
It’s the extra os that make it so.
Did you forget the numerous question marks??????????????
clearly this is the work of the riddler…foul fiend
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I don’t think those are D and G. Nice glasses though – they totally detract from that whole abstinence is best thing.