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This sucks. Not really funny, nor really fitting of the picture. If it was just Hillary, maybe, but with the big figure in the foreground, just kind of distracting and lame.
I can remember seeing something similar in my house with my father watching Jeopardy. The only thing distracting is Obama’s ears!
It’s a DAILY DOUBLE entendre!
Alex says, “Oh, I’m sorry, the correct answer is….a hand rolled cigar”.
The look on her face says, “I know this one!”
Obama is watching the woman who could have saved his campaign slipping away ….
It’s ok though, because Palin is going to do a good job of saving Obama’s campaign by herself.
Blatant pandering FTL!
Well, you gotta give McCain and his “vetters” some credit for that one Kurt. Plus that fact that none of the other old white guys would touch the ticket with a ten foot pole after Thursday night’s historic acceptance speech watched by more than 38 million people. That doesn’t even count the international audience. The Palin Pick is rock solid – comedy gold!!!
LOL Momly. I considered it a stupid choice from when I first heard about it, but never heard it called comedy gold. I wonder if McCain figured he’s going to lose, so he might as well pick a running mate that he’d like to shag.
How? By being younger, more experienced and more accomplished than Obama?
and faking a pregnancy to cover for the daughter?
Alternative being BLATANT disregard for her child’s life … sounds like wishing for a hail mary around that whole anti-abortion thing.
Wow, you’ve really swallowed the lies, haven’t you?
Why do photos of Palin and her daughter taken at the same time show Palin swelling, and her daughter definitely not pregnant?
And why do you hate women so much?
Look, everybody! SPIN-art!
lol … I hate women! Really, I do.
Now, while I am hating lets look at some minor facts. Palin never showed, right up to 8 moths when the baby was born.
Yep folks, born early weighing 6 pounds … hefty for a month early.
Born a month early as a special needs baby in a facility with no NCIU facilities. Downs babies have huge risks or congenital illnesses especially with a 44 year old mother.
Born immediately after an 11 hour flight. A flight which Palin took about 12 hours after her water broke … hello infection risks on that one. Gate attendants couldn’t even tell she was pregnant.
The daughter was missing from school for a few moths at this point due to “mono” and as I mentioned the last pick showed a slim daughter with a “bump” and Sara all done up in a ski vest while the rest of the family wore indoor clothes… hiding a lack of bump?
So … either Palin risked the life of that unborn baby in a RECKLESS manner to further her political career OR Palin hid the failure of abstinence only teaching in her own daughter.
Ordinarily not our business if the daughter was pregnant but the faking of federl records and the hypocrisy of using her giving birth to a downs baby as a rallying cry for pro-life … leaves a lot to be desired character-wise.
And what does it say about McCain’s judgment that this was his choice for “a heartbeat away”
the career furtherance being that she felt giving a lunchtime speech was more important than ensuring the health of her child by visiting a hospital when her water broke at 4AM … even Texas has hospitals doesn’t it? Does she think so little of Texas that she wouldn’t go to a hospital there if it meant ensuring a healthy birth?
Well.. do you REALLY want an answer or is your question rhetorical?
I really want an answer.
I can’t think of any woman who would put her child in that kind of danger over a damn speech.
I am very serious about the risks here.
When water breaks the baby is at a very increased risk of infection. At 8 months she should not have been flying at all much less 11 hours back to a hospital that does not have the facilities to ensure top care for a down syndrome baby born at full term much less one born a month early.
This speaks to the woman in me (yes EP, I has de ovaries) as a foolish and dangerous thing to do and it would, in my honest opinion, have been tantamount to murder if that child had died.
I’m voting Obama/Biden, but I don’t think I’ll be repeating this argument to support my case. It seems a little… too personal an attack.
or a late term partial birth abortion, which Obama supports and voted for
Not only that, but if elected, he’s going to personally administer them to everybody.
he is a tireless public servant… (lol!)
And if you’re not already pregnant he’s gonna knock you up, wait a couple months and then be back with the knife!
he is talented!
Well, that’s just desperation.
If smearing her for being a mother is the best you can do, you’ve lost already.
did you READ any of it?
I am not smearing her for being a mother you moron
Yes you are. Your whole slimy attack denigrates mothers.
Keep it up though, I’m sure it will bring in the women’s vote.
Good mothers are probably as horrified as I am.
Hate filled little thug, aren’t you?
I’m getting dizzy from all the spin, EP. Could we at least hear a little calliope while you’re at it?
PS … I read another fascinating article recently … about McCain’s people paying bloggers to comment far and wide. I hope you are making good money for this because I can’t imagine you don’t choke on your dignity now and then.
How much are the Republicans paying you to discredit Obama?
Obama has a grassroots campaign, McCain has an astroturf campaign. Pay people to spam blogs=fail.
The MSM would like you to believe that Obama’s campaign is ‘grassroots’, but seriously, it’s nothing of the kind. It’s the product of the DNC media machine.
Really? Does the Obama campaign website also hand out stickers and pins if I start spamming blogs like the McCain campaign does? Mmm…smells like desperation.
They probably are spamming the websites. After all, he has a MUCH larger campaign budget then McCain.
And that’s why McCain will lose.
If Dems need to make up stories like this, they’re desperate.
Oh wait, the Dems are attacking Sarah Palin’s children Yes, they are desperate.
EP are you one of those dems masquerading as a wacked out, stupid republican? Like Stephen Colbert? Or Ann Coulter?
I still think the idea that he is a bot for the site has some validity. The comments section always spans hundreds of comments once EP shows up.
Would that make it an exercise in artificial stupidity?
That is simply not true!! It was more like McCain told me I could have “special” pictures of Palin if I put pro McCain comments on these sites. Unfortunately, my wrists have been hurting since I saw the pictures.
What? I thought McCain hired Palin for her experience and not her vajayjay!
McCain/Token Vagina ‘08
Wait, 12 hours AFTER her water broke? It isn’t 12 hours from Alaska to Texas, so I find this a bit of a stretch. Further to all that you said, do you think McCain is THAT stupid that all of what you said wouldn’t be investigated? Sure you’re not that clueless that McCain just said, “I want her as VP” without vetting his choice? This sounds more and more like a smear to me simply based on that rationale alone. On the other hand, Biden’s plagairism is WELL documented and Obama still chose him. Smells like desperation to me.
11 hours from texas to alaska.
water broke at 4am, called the doc – he does NOT give her clearance to fly – speech at lunch time. so … 8 hours from 4 am to noon then an hour to speak and 3 to make it to the airport (lucky a flight was leaving then!) travel to Seattle, called doc in Seattle and flew on to a hospital not equipped to care for high risk premature births.
and actually it is 12 hours texas to alaska … check travelocity.
looks like she wasn’t vetted well on more fronts than this though doesn’t it?
There is now a lot out there to show that Palin was not well vetted. Her local paper was not contacted for archived stories until the Dems did it after the announcement. Her approval in Alaska is actually 15 points lower than McCain people claim and falling.
Go Go research!
Tangential, much?
Desperate people usually are…
Desperate people do things like attacking a candidate’s children.
And the Dems are desperate
No, desperate people just make baseless accusations. Let me slow it down for you. No one (not even Jellybeans, who I love but this time laid out a truely tinfoil hat story) was attacking Sarah Palin’s children. What many people WERE doing was questioning Sarah Palin’s parenting skills. This is not the same thing.
Reason doesn’t work on this lot, Jane.
Before the “Obama told Liberals to…” spews forth, he did issue a statement that no candidate’s children are to be targeted in any (at least Democrat) ads. Anyone in his campaign caught doing so will be terminated.
Still, commenting on Palin is either attacking her children or hating all women everywhere. Stay classy, EP!
So, Obama is lying again. He pretends to be innocent while his cult followers smear Sarah Palin’s children.
Typical liberal projection.
Wow EP, do you even read the comments here or do you blindly post right wing trolling points with the hope that one of them will appear remotely on topic nad intelligent?
Scratch that, right wing trolling points like yours are never intelligent.
Well, her daughter isn’t a case of immaculate conception – if that abstinance only teaching worked we would have a lot less to talk about.
Of course she still wants to push it on our families … seeing as how it is working so well for her.
I wonder how long the boyfriend’s myspace will stay up … he is a self proclaimed redneck who likes to shoot shit … wow, I want my daughter to marry a guy just like him!
Only if it helps your career Jellybeans.
Why do you hate black people so much?
Seriously, by your own logic, if you say anything bad about any woman you automatically hate women. This is the second time I’ve seen you do it. If you extrapolate that thinking it would mean you say anything bad about any member of a group you automatically hate that entire group. And seeing as you say many bad things about Obama, a black man, then you must, by your own reasoning, be a racist and hate black people.
Counterattacking illogical arguments with illogical arguments ftw!!
Technically I countered his illogical argument with his own illogical argument. Does that still get the win?
Well, yes and no. It’s a win to me but I don’t think he’ll see it that way so… take what you can buddy.
Well, I hold your opinion in higher regard than most PKers, so I’ll take it.
I’d still give it a win, but I’m a PK noob so you’ll gain less XP.
But I’m SOOOO close to levelling.
Go kill a few trolls.
*picks up a rapier* Where’s EP.
You are eaten by a grue.
This is total crap, the odds of a teenage girl having a down’s baby is 1 in 1,000 and that picture doesn’t prove anything. Wear are you finding any of this? Palin has incredible integrity, way too much to do anything like that. She kicked butt on corruption in the Alaskan government and she is going to kick butt in Washington too with John McCain. Dems are in a panic.
I’m not panicking.
Then she recklessly risked her child’s life for meager political gain. Personally, I would be less concerned if she did fake the pregnancy. Then at least there would be some sort of reason for her to fly back to Alaska and have the child born in an inadequately equipped hospital reather than go to a better hospital where she was in a reasonable amount of time. It still shows a lack of principles if she faked it for her daughter, but it’s not the shockingly bad judgment she must have had otherwise.
This is nonsense.
If it was risky for pregnant women to fly, it would be against air safety regulations to let them on board an aircraft.
It is not risky for a pregnant woman to fly. It IS risky for a pregnant woman whose water breaks to wait 30 minutes, give a speech, then fly for several hours to an underequiped hospital for a premature downs syndrome baby. ESPECIALLY when all she had to do was cancel her speech (they would have understood) and head to the nearest hospital when her water broke. The fact that her baby had few problems is sheer luck and her behavior is at least irresponsible if not neglegent.
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Again, I will state, on the issue of the mom/daughter baby switch that is pure bullshit. There is just no way that is true. Sarah Palin’s approach to giving birth and then returning to work three days later is bad enough, we don’t need to believe and spread outlandish stories.
Yes, but her water had NOT broke, so…
Alaska Airlines spokespeople have announced that if Palin’s health had required the airplane to make an emergency landing, she would have been billed heavily for the refueling, payroll costs, etc. Make of that what you will.
Wow, what kind of shit airline bills like that? Do they also charge people who have heart attacks while in the air?
What kind of crap airline bills like that? Would they also charge a customer who had a heart attack while in flight?
Well, a number of airlines won’t let a woman fly if she’s past six months without a doctor’s note, and seeing as Palin was jeopardizing not only her and her baby’s health in delaying a trip to the hospital (or birthing center), but also the integrity of the airline. She was putting them in a liable position, asking them to transport her eleven hours when she’d already waited thrity superfluous minutes. They were merely absolving themselves of any responsibility for her idiocy.
You Democrats are so desperate.
Smearing a pregnant woman and her children.
For shame!
EP, want a cracker?
The call of the Desperate Conservative, wondering why the Echo Machine doesn’t work any more!
So, let me see if I get the rules, as laid out by EP. You can call Obama a terrorist despite him never commiting ANY acts of terrorism and it is not smear. However we can not question Palin’s parenting skills based on her own actions without it being called smear? I will again remind you EP, in the hopes that you read it this time, that NO ONE has attacked Sarah Palin’s children. The only thing that has been done is the questioning of Palin’s parenting skills, something that is fair game when you are the VP nominee for the family values party.
The airline absolving themselves and removing any later attempt at a potential lawsuit is fine by me, it’s the threat of actually billing her that seems out of place.
Palin family announced today that their daughter, Bristol is in fact pregnant and will keep the baby and marry the father. So, there is no way Sarah faked her pregancy to protect her reputation in any way.
Sorry, but your logic doesn’t work. There’s no reason the daughter couldn’t have given birth earlier this year and then get pregnant again, is there?
Not saying I believe a word of it, just saying it’s possible.
Actually, I would respect her for trying to protect her child from public scrutiny. Not sure the official story actually paints her in a good light, by comparison.
Yes, I’m sure getting married at 17 to help your mom’s career is a great way to have a strong and lasting marriage.
Sarah Palin married her husband and gave birth less than nine months later.
Her marriage has lasted over 20 years and is going strong.
Like mother, like daughter.
Sarah Palin was married at 17 to make her mom’s career look better too? What a coincidence.
As I’ve previously stated elsewhere, I’m not necessarily saying I buy the story about Bristol being the mother of the DS baby, but I don’t think it’s impossible.
That being said, if that was the case, and Bristol being the mother was covered up, then would you really put it past them to make a claim that the daughter is now pregnant to give more credibility to the previous claim?
This part is specifically directed at you EP, because I have a good idea what your response to this next part is going to be, so I’m putting in my counter argument in advance. I AM NOT HOPING FOR BRISTOL TO HAVE A MISCARRIAGE OR LOSE HER CHILD IN ANY OTHER WAY!!!!!!!
Ok, now keeping the conspiracy theory in mind, I wouldn’t be surprised if Bristol has a ‘miscarriage’ some time in Mid November.
Her 17 year old daughter is pregnant? Great conservative morals at work there.
How typical of a Democrat. You can’t argue against Sarah Palin’s policies or record, and so you attack her children.
How do you sleep at night?
Quite soundly, but then again I don’t stay up late scouring right wing blogs for my latest talking points.
How about the great liberal morals at work in the Obama family? They took their baby daughters to a hate filled racist church on Sundays. What kind of parent does that to their children? Think that kind of talk would help them out later in life? How do you think they looked at their white schoolmates after that kind of talk from someone their parents lookup up to? Great parenting, no?
Show me one clip of Rev. Wright doing his hate-sermon with the Obama family in the audience. Just one.
They keep showing the same thirty seconds of Rev Wright, and if that’s all I ever saw, I might think he was racist. However, having seen the longer versions, I think he was dead on. Yes, there, I said it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ&feature=related
Dude, I hope you are laying in a supply of meds, just in case.
url in my name for the pic … hit enlarge under the pic itself.
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I showed you mine EP … you show me yours (and by that I mean your pic of a “swelling” Palin (Palin sr please, mine has Palin jr.)
Well, maybe.. she looks like she has a ‘bump’. On the other hand, if they were trying to hide a pregnancy, why have her wearing what she is? Also, you can’t really tell if Palin is preggers or not since she’s wearing that vest and her daughter is standing in front of her.
That is supposed to be her with mono … look at the body language, she is isolated and the only one not really smiling. Plus if the interview was at their home there may not have been opportunity for her to change if they thought she would not be in the pic.
I am just hoping it was the daughters to tell the truth. It makes me sick to think she would risk her baby in the way she did otherwise.
Plus, back to work that fast after a birth at 44? My Sister hadn’t even been able to poop without screaming in pain at 3 days after birth and she is only 28
Uh-huh, and is your sister a health nut? I can tell you that there are plenty of women who excersize religiously and dont’ necessarily show (my ex being one of them.) Also, after having the baby they are back to their normal routine fairly quickly. Sounds like straw man tactics to me.
so at 8 moths your ex didn’t show?
And my sis does yoga 3 times a week and spin class 2 times. Once pregnant she cut out spin and took pre-natal yoga
Well of course she showed.. I was referring to 6 months. Are you saying Palin didn’t show at 8 months?
Palin did not show at 7 months when the announcement was made or at 8 moths when boarding the plane.
I’ll be honest and say that I’m having alot of problems swallowing this entire discussion. The main reason being is just flat out smells fishy. As I mentioned in a previous post, and as evidenced by the article attached to your name, there were discussions back in March with Palin regarding a potential VP run. Do you honestly think that McCain would sabotage his campaign by bringing in someone that has a ‘questionable’ background? I mean think about this seriously for one moment, ok? It’s not like she’s running for local politics here, this is at a National level where every blessed thing you say and do is scrutinized to the Nth degree. So while you think the claims are valid, I cry bullsh*t based on the criteria I stated above.
ok, so you take the daughter off the table. She still flew at 8 months pregnant with a special needs baby. She still went a LONG time after her water broke before getting on another flight and she still had the baby in an under equipped hospital (for the needs of her pregnancy) and then went to work 3 days later.
Ok, let me ask you this, did the baby survive the ordeal?
against pretty grim odds, yes.
Her brother in law’s stepson survived being tasered but that didn’t mean she didn’t want him fired for it.
The b-i-l, not the stepson, obviously.
And you’d prefer that a cop who tasered his stepson and threatened to shoot his father-in-law should keep his job?
I am serious EP, stop twisting word and actually think about what someone wrote. I didn’t say I PREFER either one. What I DID say was that the fact that Palin’s baby survived does not automatically make what she did okay. Just like the fact that the BIL’s stepson sustained no injuries from his tasering doesn’t make it okay for him to have done it. You can’t say that one action is reprehensible and puts a child at risk while saying the other is okay because the baby didn’t die.
look, it is a dirty nasty thing to say about someone and it would be none of my business if Palin was just some lady on the street or even a ceo of a fortune 500 company. The thing is though that it speaks to judgment in my eyes and it shows a willingness to endanger her child (if it is hers) in order to make a speech. Or it shows a willingness to cover up the failure of her pet theories and then use that as a springboard.
Either way I don’t think this is the type of person that should be a VP.
And Biden is a man of honesty and virtue? You want to talk about questionable ethics, his picture is in the dictionary.
so stealing a speech and risking a baby … all the same?
No, but in your own words it goes straight to the heart of the person’s character.
True. But I would rather have a bit of literary lifting than a person willing to risk her own baby for the sake of a speech.
I still say the whole scenario as laid out by the MSM is questionable. I would really like to see some documented facts from doctors and hospitals and not flight attendants, if you get my meaning. Doesn’t this smell even the least bit suspicious to you?
I am not commenting on this any more. I give up, we each have our point of view on this and all the arguments in the world won’t change a thing.
Nothing said on PK will change even a single vote come November anyway.
Finally, something we agree on!
I’m sorry I come across as contentious, it’s just my way of trying to determine the validity of the issues. There’s a lot at stake and I believe it’s in all of our best interests, whether here or elsewhere, to explore these ideas. I think I’m a fairly openminded person and do try to come to some sort of rational decision based on what think is right and true. So if I have offended in anyway, I aplogize.
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I just gave up because I am having a hard time reconciling this with my own beliefs. I think it is a woman’s right to have control over her body and that includes adoption in my view. In all honesty I would probably look more favorably on a woman who adopted her daughter’s child than one who flew at 8 months pregnant.
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My main disconnect here is that Palin wants abstinence only teaching in all of our schools and will have some power to start us down that road. It obviously is not working very well in her own house but she wants to impose it on the rest of us. Yes, we can teach our children anything we personally want to teach them BUT kids don’t always listen to parents and parents don’t always take the time to explain things to kids. I want science in the classrooms, from “big bang” to sex ed – I want science. Palin wants creationism taught in the science classroom and she has voted against any kind of science added abstinance only teaching.
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I don’t think kids should be having sex. I really don’t think they are emotionally ready or physically ready for it. But when have you heard of a kid accepting “because I said so” as a valid reason not to do something?
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I don’t personally believe in abortion but I don’t think it is anyone else’s right to say women can’t have one. Palin opposes the Rape/Incest exclusions. She seems perfectly ok with making the victim carry her attacker’s child regardless of how that might ruin their lives or affect mental well being.
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Pro-Lifers already have a choice, no one is forcing them onto a table to get abortions. Why would they want to force people to seek dangerous and illegal procedures by removing the safe legal option. Especially in the case of rape and incest?
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She also opposes abortion in a case where the mother’s health is endangered. She barely supports it where the mother’s LIFE is endangered.
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WHO IS THIS WOMAN TO MAKE THESE CHOICES FOR US? ESPECILLY WHEN HER OWN HOUSE IS NOT ABOVE REPROACH?
Glass houses… rocks…
Jellybeans, you are at your impassioned best with this post and I thank you for it!
She could have aborted the baby… but she didn’t. The baby is healthy and happy, she is lucky to have a devoted husband and partner to help her raise their family. Could it be this whole smear was cooked up by enemies she made cracking down on corruption even in her own party in Alaska? Which could have been career suicide but she did it anyway? She is well loved in Alaska and has huge grass roots appeal. Where are some links to anything besides a picture of a normal looking teenage girl.
So then to your mind, since she didn’t abort the baby makes her some great hero to motherhood? That doesn’t excuse taking such huge risks with her pregnancy in order to make a speech. That’s like saying, “Oh well, the kid would’ve died if I’d aborted him so he’s lucky he got this far. I’ve got a speech to make!” I don’t know if I buy into Jellybeans conspiracy about the daughter mom switch, but I do know that someone who is supposed to be a leader and example of great motherhood (like they are making her out to be) should have gone to a hospital as soon as her water broke, ESPECIALLY since she knew the baby had Downs syndrome and was early.
I am not against abortion, I think it should be a legal option for women in the early months and possibly later depending on health issues. Which makes me different from my Christian contemporaries. Not sure what’s wrong with me! But, yes she could have easily aborted the baby but took the hard road which is admirable in my opinion. It is the hard road to take on rasining a child for the next 20 years or so and even more so for a Down’s baby. None of us know the whole story yet, only the rumors the left-wing blogs are putting out.
If, like you, she keeps telling herself that she could have had an abortion but instead chose to take the “hard” road than I feel sorry for that child because a woman who tells herself that will only ever see them as a sacrifice and a burden. I’m not saying she does, but what I DO know is that she went back to work 3 days after giving birth. I have nothing against career women but I don’t know any mother who loves their children who would want to be away from them so soon after they gave birth. Her job could have waited a little while longer, her kid needed her then.
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Now, as far as the baby switch I just don’t buy that, it makes no logical sense. Even if the daughter got pregnant and the mom wanted to hide the fact, it makes much more sense to stick with the mono story and then have the baby quietly adopted then to pull this elaborate fake pregnancy. That stretches the imagination just a little too much.
Yeah, the baby switch sounds to much like Desperate Houswives.. :\
“Tomorrow on ‘As the Election Turns’…”
I’m not saying that the baby switch is true or not. I believe it is possible, and I’m open to it being true, but I’d need more proof to say I was truly convinced. That being said, if they did go the adoption route, if I’m not mistaken, wouldn’t that have created paperwork saying that either Unwed teenage daughter of ultra conservative supermom had given birth to a child then gave it up? Not to mention possible resentment on Bristol’s part towards her mother for making her give up her first born child.
It’s not true, the Palin family came out today and said their daughter Bristol is in fact pregnant and will marry the father.
Yes, God forbid she actually be allowed to wait and see if she and the father can make a lasting successful marriage. Because all 17 year olds have the decision making capabilities to do so.
I think they are thinking of the good of the child, which is admirable. Children do better and feel more secure in a family with a mom and dad. Also, we have no idea how Bristol and the father feel about each other. I think we should follow what the Obama campaign has come out and stated about the whole situation, that is the family is off limits and we should stick to the issues. That is one thing I have to admit I admire about Obama.
Setting my cynicism aside for a moment and assuming they are thinking of what is best for the child, a shotgun wedding at the age of 17 doesn’t strike me as the most stable foundation of a happy marriage. I hope for the sake of little Stanley that everything works out between Bristol (WTF kind of name is that?) and her hubby, but if things sour — as teenage romances tend to do — I really hope the Palins have enough foresight to have the marriage annulled. The security of a happy mom and dad is one thing; staying together for the kids is another.
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My buddy and his wife tend to have moody patches. As godfather to their girl, I’ve told them that they either work things out amicably or they split up now, because I will not have that cloud of resentment lingering in the household where my goddaughter lives. (They worked things out).
Most marraiges can be saved, and should be saved for the sake of the children in the family. Believe me I am from a divorced family and it is sheer hell. Sarah was married early in life after getting pregnant from what I understand and her marraige is healthy and withstood the test of time. I am sure with that kind model as an example of how to do it right they will be just fine.
Yes, I agree with the philosophy of “save it if you can”, but if it’s not going to work, rip the band-aid off quickly. My parents divorced when I was two and it wasn’t quite the hell until they both remarried and tried to prove the other one wrong by sticking it out in an even shittier re-marriage (“for the kids”). *That* was hell.
If the marriage is irreparable, end it fast and amicably, and project none of the bullshit onto the kid(s).
Marriages aren’t always worth saving. My parents divorced when I was 17 and it is quite possibly one of the best things that ever happened in my life.
DIDN’T… STEAL… ANY… SPEECHES… He used a riff from a fellow liberal (albeit English) politician, attributed it several times (at least a half dozen) and then didn’t attribute it. Once. That does not equal plagiarism.
Not only did Biden plagiarise his speech, he also plagiarised a paper he “wrote” in law school.
He is a serial plagiarist.
First, doing something twice doesn’t exactly constitute a serial offender. Second, He was exonerated for the first case of plagiarism.
Third, come up with an original criticism, you know, one that requires you to actually think instead of just parroting the right wing schmucks, and isn’t just mindless name calling.
Typical liberal hatred of the echo chamber.
Dirty and nasty is exactly right.
So ignore it?
Like you all ignored Edwards and his affair? She is the VP nomimation for god’s sake – hold her to a higher standard than Edwards.
Just look at the timelines with an eye to the baby’s wellbeing. That is the last I will say on this subject. You don’t believe that what I say has merit or that it is true so I will stop trying to convince you. EP is always a lost cause but I am not going to beat my head against this any more.
Look, I’m not saying that I won’t entertain a discussion on this issue. All I’m saying is that documented facts would probably support your case better instead of this person said, and that person said. Know what I’m saying? I think this would warrant some comment from the doctors and hospital involved and would like to know if the the health of the baby after birth was harmed in anyway by Palin’s decision. This is one of those issues where people DO need to get to the nub of the truth and not just throw ideas around like they’re fertalizer.
Well, had Edwards indiscretion become public while running, I don’t think it would have been ignored, sort of Like Gary Hart, eh? Since he isn’t a contender for anything, I guess I will ignore him. And she should be held to a higher standard, with that I totally agree! However, when the people wanted Clinton held to a higher standard, most of his supporters said “it was only an affair”, even after he perjured himself. So my question is this, who’s standard should we follow? It’s obvious your standards are much higher in regards to this issue, but when it comes to lying and stealing we should turn a blind eye.
Ask any woman what is the greater evil.
But you can’t pick and choose the issues for the rest of the country. I’m not saying this isn’t (potentially), but there are other issues as well.
Being up and downing damn near anything in the two weeks postpartum is just asking for a complete pelvic floor collapse. After three days, my wife was verboten to leave our apartment. After five days, going down a flight of stairs was acceptable, but she would have been under orders to rest for an hour before going back up, and she was to take her time.
The issue isn’t about fitness. The placenta detachment site is a salad-plate-sized raw wound on the uterus, which itself is already blown out, amidst organs that are slowly settling into their normal positions, around bones that are refirming after the onslaught of ligament-softening hormones (which, BTW, is the same reason why women’s feet tend to increase in size permanently with each child).
I’m not discrediting any stories; just pointing out the biology.
I wont say anything more until I hear what she herself has to say. I do think she is a pretty tough cookie though and is in great shape and maybe she had underestimated the risk. Let’s see what happens next.
If her medical person didn’t warn her of these risks during any of her five pregnancies, I’m suddenly impressed her kids are healthy and she’s in one piece.
After my youngest sister was born, my ma went to work after only a week of rest and she’s paying the price now with “woman’s health issues”. (Then she’d have me hand the phone to my wife and scare her into sticking to that two weeks of bed rest.)
You’ll understand when you get around to squeezing one out yourself.
Jellybeans- doc on the ‘net fail!
despite what you say, women having babies – even those with downs syndrome – are not about to DIE, nor is the baby ABOUT TO DIE if they don’t get immediate medical attention when the water breaks. no one is buying your “she is a bad mother” arguement.
next.
Jellybean gets paid by the word by the Obama campaign. She’s also a little wordy (manic) when off of her meds.
cute … bite me
The genetic condition of the child is not the abomination in this scenario: that Palin waited so long after her water broke is. Let me know if I need to dumb this down further, but when the baby is still inside the mommy, it is protected in this membrane called the amniotic sac. This sac is held in place by a mucous plug just behind the cervix. When labor begins the mommy secretes hormones that soften the cervix and allow it to begin to open (“contractions”). At some point, the mucous plug will dislodge, followed by a rupturing of the amniotic sac. (You may have heard about this part on TV or in the movies as “water breaking”, as the amniotic fluid tends to spill out.)
After the water breaks, any bacteria can move upwards, potentially infecting the baby.
Downs or not, a mother that is not being attended by a competent doctor or midwife, than the child is considered at risk. Taking deliberate actions to delay medical attention is negligent.
Sorry, I’m not seeing where there is an article that documents when and where her water broke? Can you point that out?
I’ve asked for something as well but haven’t seen anything. If this really is an important issue, there should be something that hasn’t been tainted by the MSM.
It was there last week … I can’t find it now and the archives won’t let me register without putting in a credit card … not gonna do that.
All the same searches I did last week (still saved in drop downs) are turning up nothing but the new story about the daughter being pregnant nothing about the mom’s pregnancy.
The article I read was not negatively slanted, it said that palin called her Dr. at 4 am when her amniotic fluid started to leak (stated an opinion from a board certified ob/gyn that leakage is the same a broken in cases of infection, still means there is a way for bacteria to get in)
It was actually a fairly nice little piece on Sara Palin … wonder why it is moved?
Honestly, I haven’t a clue about the particulars of this supposed incident; I’m only responding to dustycat’s comment “… women having babies – even those with downs syndrome – are not about to DIE, nor is the baby ABOUT TO DIE if they don’t get immediate medical attention when the water breaks…”.
And even if her water hadn’t broken, why is she flying over creation at 8 mos, in out or approaching labor?
Because she can.
Where is the rule that says pregnant women can’t fly? They aren’t as fragile as eggs.
No, pregnant women aren’t as fragile as eggs. But, their babies are.
As I said else-post, most airlines are hesitant with pregnant women past six months. Some even require doctor’s notes in order to board. It’s what we adults like to call “covering your ass”.
Speaking of covering your ass, what insurance company is going to cover an OB?GYN who gives that kind of advice?
by Lori Tipton
Friday, April 18, 2008
ANCHORAGE, Alaska — Gov. Sarah Palin gave birth to her fifth child at about 6:30 a.m. Friday morning.
Trig Paxson Van Palin was born at Mat-Su Regional Hospital about one month before he was scheduled to arrive.
Trig Palin weighs six pounds, two ounces.
A press release from the governor’s office says Palin and her new son are both “doing well and resting comfortably.”
The Palins released the following statement:
“Trig is beautiful and already adored by us. We knew through early testing he would face special challenges, and we feel privileged that God would entrust us with this gift and allow us unspeakable joy as he entered our lives. We have faith that every baby is created for good purpose and has potential to make this world a better place. We are truly blessed.”
Just yesterday, Palin was in Texas at a forum on energy with Texas Gov. Rick Perry and executives from four other states.
Palin was asked at the forum whether or not she would accept an offer by Republican presidential candidate John McCain to share the national ticket as vice presidential nominee.
She said she would accept, according to reports from a Texas newspaper.
The governor’s water broke during the energy conference but she stayed and gave a 30-minute speech before boarding an Alaska Airlines plane home to deliver the baby.
Gov. Palin’s parents, Sally and Chuck Heath, visited with their new grandson Friday afternoon.
The grandfather says Trig is named after his great uncle, a Bristol Bay fisherman, while the name Paxson comes from the well-known snowmachining area.
Both baby and mom are doing well, said Chuck Heath, and will be going home Saturday.
“She’s tired, yeah. She traveled, well, she was at that convention, traveled all night, gave birth this morning, what have you, and hasn’t slept today. She’s tired,” he said.
An unnamed source that is close to the family has said that the early testing revealed Trig Palin has Down Syndrome.
interesting, thank you…
… That was pretty bleeping irresponsible, especially for a woman who’s already had kids. Her OB-GYN or midwife should have told her better.
(And no, to those out there, I’m not absolving liberals, Democrats, progressives, socialists, Socialists, or anyone else of ever having committed a really irresponsible action; I’m only responding to this one. We all do dumb things. Paying too much for auto insurance shouldn’t be one of them.)
do you work for geico?
No. I just liked those ads. The slogan stuck in my head. I find the newer ones (both lizard and cavemen) weak.
Aww, comeon, the gecko ads predate the “dumb things” commercials.
I like the little guy, actually. Love those commercials.
This brings up a question. I’m a geico customer. They really are cheaper than anyone else by $500 a year, for me anyway. How can they afford to produce and air so many different ad campaigns all the time?
I pay them ~$80 a month and have for over ten years. I’ve had one accident (~$2000) in that time. Most of the time, I see nothing for my money but the right to drive my car.
Hey, if they can make a gecko talk, they can do anything.
Oh, and a poll for everyone. Who’s cooler, Geico Gecko or Travelocity Gnome?
I’m voting gnome.
Gecko!
I actually loved the caveman series, they are starting them up again after the stupid tv show flopped… glad they got the original guys back.
I agree, thanks for that. The timeline that jellybeans was giving was a bit off though based on this. Not the I agree with Palin’s decision to fly home and have the baby though.
I know I wasn’t going to say anything more, but just one more thing! She was only 8 months, I wonder if she knew there would be any kind of risk when she wasn’t even due for another month? Maybe here obstetrician will speak up to the press about this…
Now, Ema! Don’t rile up the poor Liberals like that! I know it’s like poking a mad dog in a cage with a stick- it’s easy to get them all fired up. Although fun, it’s not nice!
Ema, srsly? She’d already had kids, not to mention that every women knows that when your water breaks you need to get to the hospital, ESPECIALLY if you’re only 8 months. Tell me that everyone makes mistakes and this one doesn’t mean anything to her qualifications for vice-president, that’s fine (I’d disagree but still fine) but don’t sit there and tell me she didn’t know the full implications of her water breaking. If she didn’t then she’s a moron and REALLY has no business being on heartbeat away from the presidency.
I am sure judging from her character that there is an excellent explanation which we will hear soon. The news story says “her water broke” but they don’t always get it right.
Also, how in the world does a newspaper reporter know when her water broke? Something sounds strange, what did she do, Oh my water broke! Better call a newspaper right away! Also, we don’t know what her doctor told her, I’m sure her doctor knows more than any of us do. You know she is a whistle blower and people are in jail because of her, influential people and she has enemies. I’m sure that’s where all this is getting cooked up from there are people that would love to see her fail. Not like that sad sack Obama who marches in lock step with the old party line Democrats.
She was at a public convention. It is pretty obvious when someone’s water breaks, it’s not like it’s a private thing, anyone who was standing around would know.
Jane, Palin’s water had NOT broken at the time she merely had what they are calling a small amniotic fluid leak. She called her doctor, who is a trained obstetrician I am sure and knows more than any of us do about it, and he advised her to leave on a plane back to Alaska. That is about all I need to know about it and I do not quesiton her judgement on this at all. The whole incident seems to tell me she has a knack for making good judgement calls.
Oh, and labor had to be induced!
Doctors don’t induce labor for no reason, especially when the mother is a month early. If the situation was serious enough to warrent them inducing labor then she for sure should have hightailed it to a hospital instead of flying home.
Tell it to her trained Obstetrician who advised her to fly and whom she trusted to tell her exactly what to do. Are we not supposed to trust our doctors now?
Not when they’re obviously idiots.
I see, so you’re an expert I guess… where did you go to medical school?
$100 says her OB was a guy.
I mean men know so much more about the whole birthing process.
OH COME ON!!! Stop it now, they are trained in the same way the women are, this is getting ridiculuous.
Mayo Clinic. Oh I’m sorry, did I just put you in your place?
Oh, I really believe you too…
Who cares, my diploma is right here and you’re just a stranger whose medical knowledge obviously is nothing more than internet copypasta.
And your medical knowledge so far as I can see is calling someone an obvious idiot online who you never spoke with, good work Dr. Que!! He still was her doctor whether or not you, the great expert you are, agree or disagree with his advice. Now back to your medical journals!!
Anyway…
With regards to the gender differences: western doctors — primarily male, oddly enough — follow a strict set of rules and regulations, most of which err on the side of caution so much so I don’t feel comfortable with them (I dunno, something about 1 in 3 births being cesarean, or that babies are given a Hep B vaccine shortly after birth (in case the parent gives them dirty hypo needles instead of a teddy bear?)).
Midwives adopt a more patient-oriented approach, allowing the woman to make the majority of decisions and generally letting things go as they will.
Doctors are mostly living in fear of litigation, therefore they are overly cautious, which is why I’m so surprised Palin’s doc gave her such miserable advise. So many things could have gone wrong — but they didn’t.
Still…
Oh ema, you just can’t understand the concept that her doctor can be wrong, can’t you? Do you trust all authority figures so blindly?
No, he did NOT give permission to fly … again anchorage daily news … look it up.
In another article she herself said her water started leaking at 4am.
anchorage daily news … google is your friend.
Herb –
despite what you think a womans vagina is not a cesspool of bacteria waiting to begin their march into the uterus at the first sign of an opening.
No one worries too much about leaking fluid (which is what Governor Palin had) until 24 hours after the rupture or if there is fetal distress, and even then if everything is fine – no maternal fever or distress for either party – labour can progress at it’s own pace. Having a baby is a natural event, we are the ones who have turned every delivery into some medical crisis.
And really – isn’t the proof in the fact that little Trig was born without any complications… so what exactly is your arguement, that you can copy & paste a wikipedia article?
I think it was also irresponsible of Ms. Palin to name that poor kid what she did. Trig Paxson Van Palin? The only redeeming quality about this kids name is the Van Palin part because it rhymes with Van Halen.
Now this I can’t argue with…
Dustycat -
No wiki told me that; I am repeating information drilled into my head by my wife’s midwife in regards to things to do and things not to do. Even joking about flying in the last trimester engendered a stern and disapproving glower.
As I’ve said before, I am not aware of the full details and am merely relaying information applicable to the conversation at hand. Prior to this posting, I hadn’t heard that “water breaking” had been downgraded to “amniotic leaking”. Yes, I’m aware of the difference as it relates to pending emergency. Way to check a timestamp.
I’ll assume you didn’t read any of the other info posts I’d made, and will chalk the “despite what you think” line up to ignorance and not schoolyard name-calling. I will point out though that the bacterial flora and fauna of the vagina is different from that of the amnion. (Don’t kid yourself: every orifice of your body has an ecology of bacteria). This has the potential for harm.
You are right in childbirth being a natural process (we opted for a water birth at home, overseen by said midwife and her colleague). Heavier-than-air flight is not so natural. There haven’t been too many studies done of in-flight labor stresses and stressors, especially as they relate to Downs-positive babies. It is this part that worries me.
Downs babies have increased risk of congenital defects – IE: heart/lungs. And increased risk of infection.
Do we agree on this point?
Amniotic leaking can lead to infection.
Do we agree on this point?
Doctors and airlines are very much against women flying in the last month of pregnancy.
Still with me?
Texas may not have a whore house in it but I am sure they have hospitals …
Yes?
Most responsible mothers giving birth a month early to a special needs baby would show some concern and follow the no flying rule? Most responsible mothers giving birth a month early to a special needs child would do so in an NCIU equipped hospital.
People saying otherwise are deluding themselves.
Why does Obama hate women so much ? Is it like his dad, who comitted bigamy? Or is it the whole Islamic upbringing from both his dad and stepdad ?
*yawn*
Got it! (under my name)
About 1/2 way down under EARLY ARRIVAL it mentions the 4 am (TX time) call to the Dr saying her fluid was leaking.
The tone is of course up-beat and covers over the risks. What else can they do? The Dr. said she never asked for medical clearance but he didn’t see why she shouldn’t fly … he is the only OB/GYN that would say anything like that I would bet.
He may have meant FLY HOME RIGHT NOW!
I have two kids and when my water broke (BROKE, not *leaked*), I was admitted right away and induced with both of them. In both instances, when I questioned the need for needles, I was told that once the fluid starts coming, the baby is coming too and the longer the tyke stays in there, the greater the chance for birth complications. I said okay to the damn needle and was induced with both.
(First one was a female OB/GYN and the second was a midwife. I highly recommend the latter!)
I’m wondering if anyone has caught the irony with the Dem’s convention?
I believe the democrats have suddenly developed a keen sense of morality. John Edwards was banned from making a speech at the Democratic convention for having an affair and lying about it.
In his place Bill Clinton spoke.
It’s like rain on your wedding day.
Or a free ride when you’ve already paid.
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Actually, that is pretty ironic. I LOL’d.