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But they never visit.
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Awesome caption. Who the hell are those people?
I know the nutbars at moveamericaforward.org have an “I love gitmo” campaign going, but it could be any group of toothless simpletons.
Simpletons in question are actually a group called the American Sheepdogs.
They should change it to American Toothless Simpletons – much more evocative.
They don’t have to visit Gitmo. They ain’t terrorists.
They terrify me. Does that count as terrorism?
Plenty of people visiting gitmo aren’t terrorists. That hasn’t seemed to matter so far.
rofl!!! Best caption. But, on a mildly serious note, I doubt they’ve ever been there….
Very clever caption. And I don´t think it directly mocks anything.
Which is why it doesn’t belong here.
oh, I am pretty sure it does.
depends on how you read it
If you read it with your voice going up, it implies something
If you read it in a whiny voice, it implies that the people of gitmo are sad that they don´t have these vistors
I originally read it with the second voice in my head. Yes voices in my head.
It will all be ok as long as the voices in your head aren’t telling you to do naughty things.
Even then, it will all be ok as long as you don’t listen.
It’ll be even better if you don’t tell us about it.
Or do what I do. Listen to the voices but remember not to leave evidence of what they commanded you to do.
I read it as a statement, as in ‘Interesting they love it so much, but never visit. I wonder why?’ [Bunch of self-satisfied ignorant inbreds.]
Funny, they don’t look like liberals to me.
That’s cos they are being idiots and proud of it. Definite Republatron trait.
I think it kind of does.
That is downright scary. (The photo, not the caption).
i wonder if they <3 auschwitz too.
I wonder if you <3 terrorists.
I wonder how many people locked in there have actually broken any laws?
Most of them, I suspect.
Seeing as half the people who have gone in have been released without charge, I would say few of them.
And some of those people have gone on to make terrorist attacks after being released.
Link?
See List_of_released_Guantanamo_prisoners_who_allegedly_returned_to_battle at Wikipedia.
The question, of course, is whether they were “terrorists” all along or turned into terrorists by their treatment at Gitmo.
It’s far more likely that they were terrorists all along. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t have been captured and interned in the first place.
Wrong, as I said above, many people were captured on the say so of neghbors who simply didn’t like them. There are many innocents in Gitmo. Not all of them, but at least some. Any argument you use to try to prove that that is okay can just as easily be used against you.
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You know, I hear that after Obama is elected, he’s going to use this precedent to arrest, detain without trial, and torture all the people who bad mouthed him on the Internet. He’ll say you are a terrorist and you won’t even get a chance to prove him wrong. Isn’t that AWESOME?
Actually many of them were captured on the battlefield. And the fact that many have been released demonstrates that captured suspects are given the benefit of the doubt — even to the extent that they may be released, only to commit acts of terrorism.
Torture at Guantanamo is a myth. The al-Qaeda manual specifically instructs terrorists to claim torture, and of course their lawyers love it.
Most of what you believe about Gitmo is wrong.
Try watching this, and then come back to comment on this subject http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0854678/
“Go back to bed, America, your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed America, your goverment is in control. Here, here’s American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up, go back to bed America, here is American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their f**king skulls together and congratulate you on the living in the land of freedom. Here you go America – you are free to do what well tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!” – Bill Hicks
Oh wow, a propaganda film. You’ve convinced me. If it’s in a movie, it must be true!
Does somebody pay you a dollar for every time you say the word “propaganda” on the internet or something?
No, but Seth gets two cents per word.
Bill Hicks FTW!
I like his take on the elder Bush: “It’s not that I disagreed with his foregin policy. It’s not that I disagreed with his economic policy. I just thought he was the son of Satan sent here to destroy the planet Earth. (Leaning just a little to the Left on that one.)”
And you whine when I call terrorists what they are.
Hypocrisy unlimited!
Logic Fail
Instead of ‘It’s likely they were terrorists’, I’m reading ‘I bet they were, the Arab bastards!’
Reading fail.
Beeg bonches of BOOOLSHEEETS, Pancho…
You’re a REAL snappy guy with the crapola slinging!
if you’ve ever seen the film, “Catch A Fire” you’d be thinking otherwise. a black South African man was captured, detained, tortured, and forced to watch his wife tortured because he was “suspected” for the bombing of a white-owned South African plant. after a few months (i’m not sure how long) he and his wife were finally released because when he “confessed” to the crime it didn’t line up with the account of how they perp had gotten in.
after being released his wife turns on him and he tells her that Apartheid punished him for nothing, and now he will make it for something. he joins the Pan-African Congress, i think it was, and participates in training and comes back later to bomb that same plant and bury it, all because of what had been done to him and his wife.
if i ever were picked up and held wrongfully for years, and tortured, at Gitmo, i would, without a doubt, strike back in the heaviest way i possibly could.
and in case people think i’m a terrorist or something, let it be known that insurgency, tactically aimed at only inflicting damage at military targets based on specific objectives, is LEGAL according to international law. there are insurgents in Iraq fighting for their freedom, and then there are also terrorists fighting stupidly against civilians, their own national brothers and sisters. do not get the two confused, for i am certain there are insurgents who have not once directed an attack at civilians and aimed solely to kick out the oppressive invader.
and that anti-military reaction is exactly what i would have after enduring Gitmo.
“there are insurgents in Iraq fighting for their freedom,” — what freedom?? they never had any freedom before, but they will now, hope they can hang on to it.
the freedom they’re fighting for is freedom from imperial U.S. mis-guided rule in a region of the world that is used to Islamic Rule, however it may have been distorted along the way by specific governing bodies. take Somalia as an example: in 1991 dictator General Siad Barreis overthrown by CIA-backed Somali warlords. for 15 years ensuing, there is no stable central government in southern Somalia. in June 2006, the Islamic Courts Union rises to power by way of coup, and for six months rule most of southern Somalia as the most stable government the nation had had in a decade and a half, or more! by the end of 2006 US-backed Ethiopian troops, working together with a secular Somali Transitional Federal Government begin to take power from the ICU, and by the end of January 2007, the ICU is powerless in the region, politically, while still trying to gain back autonomy and stability under Islamic law and leadership. the new secular government in a predominantly Islamic country provides zero stability and zero accountability within its own ranks.
there has been instability in Somalia for over a year and a half now, and many Somalis, especially those who have suffered much under Ethiopian military control (albeit they are not alone in committing atrocities, as elements of an extreme militant wing of the ICU, known as al-Shabaab, are also causing damage to civilian life and property) wish only to have back what they had under the ICU. stability and Islamic rule, unaffected by US imperialism and the invaders from a “Christian” Ethiopia.
in Iraq, there is an insurgency that is fighting legally, and many who have turned in their guns and given their names have been granted amnesty… and there is an element of insane terrorists that feel that bombing their own countrymen and women will help get rid of a foreign oppressor.
many were and still are fighting for a just freedom and autonomy, and have a right to, as long as they target specific military targets with specific objectives.
americans never had freedom when they still existed in Europe hundreds of years ago, facing political and religious repression. then they fought back against the foreign oppressor and gained autonomy and freedom. why shouldn’t Iraqis have the same chance at determining their own fate?
Evil Pundit. Earns Name.
How conveeeeeeeeeeeiiiiintient for you to think that!
Please explain why Gitmo would cause them to return to their homelands and blow up THEIR OWN PEOPLE?
Citation, please. How many people have been let out of Gitmo, why were they released, and how many of those released returned to their homeland to blow up people. And right wing blogs count as much as me claiming that John McCain eats babies. So get me a valid source or admit you are full of it, thanks.
I’ve already given you a source — Wikipedia, which while not completely reliable, links to many other sources.
Of course, you refuse to do the research — just as you refuse to confirm the truth about Obama’s terrorist friend, Bill Ayers.
Use of “right wing” terminology fail.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DioQooFIcgE
About 40 seconds in. Check it out.
You don’t even read the sources you post, do you? From the fine wiki article:
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Commentators questioned the credibility of the spokesmen’s assertions. H. Candace Gorman, looked into the only three names had been offered of captives who had been returned to the battlefield: Abdullah Mehsud”; “Mullah Shahzada”; and Maulvi Abdul Ghaffar. She wrote, on March 18, 2007, that she found that the name Abdullah Mehsud wasn’t listed on the official list of Guantanamo captives released on May 15, 2006. She found that there were captives with names close to those of the two other men. but that the records showed these men were still in custody when according to the spokesmen’s assertions they had not only been released, but had been killed in combat.
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I’ve done the research, you obviously haven’t. You were even called on it below. You simply ignore anything that contradicts your world view. I think you know you are full of it, but you just don’t care. You want to win people over to your position no matter what. Sad.
EP: regarding Ayers, the Weathermen were nothing more than a bunch of white college kids wanting to play revolutionary.
1) How many people did the Weathermen kill? What were the circumstances surrounding those deaths?
2) How exactly did they bomb the Pentagon?
(Answers: 1) 2 of their own, who died when a bomb they were building detonated prematurely; 2) they blew up a toilet)
It doesn’t matter how many people they actually managed to kill, nor that they mostly only harmed themselves. Incompetent terrorists are still terrirrorists, and attempted murder is still a crime.
Your argument is akin to saying a man who tries to murder someone is innocent if he fails. The law doesn’t accept that, and neither does any reasonable person.
The Weathermen NEVER ATTEMPTED MURDER on anyone.
Unless “murderous intent” can be described as sending advance communiques announcing when and where they were going to strike, “when” typically being around four in the morning, and tagged along the message a notice to make certain that no people were around.
But you wouldn’t know this, because Bill O’Rly hasn’t spoonfed it to you, and otherwise you’d have to delve into those blatantly liberal-biased things called “books” and “audio recordings”.
S’okay, I forgive your desire to ignore history for your own weltenshaung.
I’m sure the terrorists appreciate your sympathy.
But they are still terrorists, and they are still friends of Obama.
oh lay off the crack. sick of people bellyaching over terrorists while they cut off innocent peeps heads for their politicol statements. Better question Id say is choosing your side since you obviously seem to prefer the terrorist slant. (well innocent as a journalist can be anyhow)
7 ? Seven “allegedly returned to battle”? Thousands where detained and released whithout charges, but these 7 were guilty (but released…) ? How can you prove this ? Another way to see things: they were so horribly tortured that they decided to take revenge! Which would mean: The US created their own enemy…
Nobody was “horribly tortured”.
I heard they flushed a Koran, the horror!!
The sad thing is that 17 people were killed in the Muslim riots that were sparked by that rumour.
Yet some people think Americans are the bad guys.
Right, most of those people got better treatment than if we had just turned them loose in their own countries. Maybe we should have a take no prisoners attitude from now on?
Ema, I completely agree! Just drop em’ in the middle of that god-forsaken dunes- they’d eliminate themselves…
Not unless you consider beating, waterboarding, stress positions (for days) and electric shocks to be torture.
More like three good halal meals a day and calls to prayer, plus free korans handled with clean cotton gloves so as not to be contaminated by the infidels.
If you want to see torture, look up the al-Qaeda manual on thesmkinggun.
So i guess ol’ evil here *has* gone to visit? Seeing as he has such a grasp of what goes on there.
and of course! How could i forget that everyone ever taken to gitmo was from al Qaeda and clearly deserved everything they got. That is to say, if they ever ‘got’ anything. Which they didn’t.
Sorry, Evil. I forgot. You are entirely right. Oh, and i read a little further down. That’s right. All the media in america is left wing. All of it…. all those people that do their research, anyway.
except for the ones who were subjected to water boarding. and before you claim it isn’t torture, then explain why a Japanese officer was executed for war crimes for water boarding Americans? And before you claim that it’s so effective explain why they had to water board one prisoner over 200 times.
The entire Wiki is quotes from military officials saying 30 guys have returned to battle, but they’ll only release 7 names. Then journalists take those 7 names, research them and find out that all 7 of those names are suspect, from not even being detained to flubbing names that are similar.
Journalists can’t be trusted. They are usually political stooges of the Left.
Doesn’t matter, facts are facts. They have the facts to back them up, I’ve looked at the sources in the article. Your whining about liberal reporters is off base, as well. Reporters are more liberal than the average American, it is true. But their bosses, the editors and owners of the media, are more conservative than the average American. Who do you think determines what goes in the media, bosses, editors, or reporters?
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But none of this matters to you, does it? You don’t care that you are wrong, maybe if you keep parroting the lie enough, you can get some gullible fool to believe you, and THAT is what is important, isn’t it?
The idea of proprietorial content control is a myth spread by journalists and other leftists in order to deny their own bias. Editors and reporters determine most of what goes in the media. And many proprietors are as left-wing as their employees.
The link actually has “allegedly” in its title, totally FTW!!!
See also “Ex-Guantanamo detainee suicide bomber fought at Tora Bora” via Google.
(Links posted here are delayed because they have to go through the spam filter)
Ah, well I suspect YOU have broken those same laws. So I think YOU should be sent to Gitmo without a trial and with no more evidence than my suspicions. Which is what happened to many of the people there. Somebody didn’t like them, and when we Americans rolled into their country, they saw the perfect opportunity to have their revenge. They came to us and said, “Yeah, this guy over here? Totally a terrorist.” And that was that, without any more evidence than that, some of the people in Gitmo were sentenced to imprisonment and torture.
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I know you don’t want to believe that was what happened, and to be sure, some of the guys in Gitmo actually ARE terrorists. And a we probably even have enough evidence to actually convict a few of those. But at least some of those people are in there for no more reason than some asshole didn’t like them, and they have no way to prove their innocence. That is more scary than any terrorist.
The scary thing is that so many Americans believe anti-American propaganda myths. It’s a weakness that is exploited by those who would do far worse things if they could.
America is defined by our constitution. Actions which go against the constitution are anti-American. Our constitution promises due process for ALL people, not just citizens. Imprisoning people without a trial goes against our constitution, therefore, it is anti-American.
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Therefore, supporting imprisoning people in Gitmo without trial is anti-American propaganda of the worst sort, and it is most definitely being exploited by those who would do far worse if they could.
Prisoners of war are not entitled to a trial, unless they are accused of war crimes.
Okay, you’re a prisoner of war then. On my say so and no other. Off to gitmo with you! That is what happened, maybe not in every case, but in at least a few, and nothing can justify that.
Uh, no. Wars don’t work like that.
I’m replying here as opposed to elsewhere
because you are more likely to see it.
If you say we can’t listen to the prisoners, the lawyers, or the left media.
Then listen to the right when they admit to torture indirectly.
Wiki this: Waterboarding#Controversy_over_classification_as_torture_in_the_United_States
Waterboarding occurred in a very few cases out of many thousands of detainees. It is uncertain whether it’s to be classified as torture or not.
However, it is an infinitesimal fraction of the suffering perpetrated by the terrorists.
If the only thing that defines a terrorist to you is amount of pain and suffering caused to Americans, you should want to put the executives of Ford in GITMO rather than those morons in pajamas.
No. I define a terrorist as someone who plans, supports or attempts terrorist acts.
The nationality of the terrorists’ victims makes no difference.
I don’t know what you’re talking about with regard to Ford executives. Did they sell you a lemon or something?
No, I’m just saying that more people will ever be killed my cars than terrorists. The minute damage a weirdo with a beard can do is never going to make a difference. Spending such vast amounts on money fighting beardy weirdies is folly when it could be funneled into auto-safety or health care.
It is only the latest US government that has tried to claim that waterboarding is not torture. It is torture by international standards, including
the UN; and it was torture by American standards when persecuting Japanese perpetrators after World War II.
It will even be considered torture by the next US government since both Obama and McCain hold the view that it is torture.
Ford knew, during the course of testing, that the fuel tank in some models of Pinto would be easily punctured by the rear bumper assembly in a collision. A “ruptured fuel tank” equals “raging car fire” in most cases. Ford decided it would be cheaper to pay off the families of the ‘few’ people who died as a result of those fires than it would be to redesign millions of cars to prevent those fires from happening.
And, just in case you thought Ford would learn from that event…..they didn’t.
Instead of using a plastic plunger switch to tell the brake lights and cruise control system when the pedal has been depressed (like nearly every other car maker in the world has for the last 30+ years)…….Ford chose to use a oil-pressure switch (circa Volkswagen in 1960) that is hooked up to the battery 24/7 (apparently w/o a fuse). Brake fluid eats it way into the switch, shorts the contacts, overloads the wire from the battery, and burns the vehicle to the ground. Occassionally, it takes out a house while the family sleeps.
It’s not that anyone expects Ford to realize their design is potentially fatal to their customers, it’s that Ford is continually unwilling to admit there might be a problem, going so far as to deny,deny,deny until the weight of the litigation becomes too burdensome to bear.
so, now you are more informed.
Well, that should be a crime. But it isn’t “terrorism”.
Comparing the selfishness or apathy of big business to the intentional and delibrate murderous acts of blood thirsty terrorists is totally ridiculus. And saying that the “beardy weirdies” only cause minute damage?! I take it you weren’t on this planet when 911 happened? I don’t think anyone with even a half ounce of sanity would call those attacks minute. I don’t “love” Gitmo anymore than I love Joliet. But unfortunately when there are bad people around we need a place to keep them in order to protect the public.
Sure, but if they are criminals, charge and process them according to the law. If they are war criminals, keep them in accordance with the Geneva conventions. If they are innocent, let them go.
In Soviet Russia, terrorist <3 YOU!
not at all. i do <3 human rights though.
Wow…. you literally have NO sense of proportion, do you?
Gitmo is a concentration camp. Comparing it to a more well known and universally condemned concentration camp seems to make sense to me…
Auschwitz was a death camp. Inmates were executed by gas or starved and worked to death. It was filed with innocent people.
Gitmo inmates are not killed and usually gain weight during their stay. They have been caught perpetrating terrorist acts.
Only a fool would think there is any comparison.
it’s true, the two are not one and the same. they’re on extreme ends of the same spectrum of evil.
“Gitmo inmates are not killed and usually gain weight during their stay”
you don’t know this.
“They have been caught perpetrating terrorist acts”
you don’t know this either. you have no idea why they’re there. most of the inmates probably don’t know either.
You don’t know this either.
i don’t know what?
Are you saying that you that you do know the detainees are killed and starved. And are you saying that you know they have not perpetrated terrorist attacks. They were picked up in a war situation by soldiers who had reason to believe they were dangerous. And are being held by people who have contact with them and believe them to still be dangerous.
To compare Gitmo to a nazi concentration camp is irresponsible and ridiculous. Unless you Know people are starving, being worked to death and oh yeah and being murdered in the gas chambers. Get real!!
“Are you saying that you that you do know the detainees are killed and starved. And are you saying that you know they have not perpetrated terrorist attacks.”
no, i’m not saying any of that.
evil pundit said something that he can’t know, and i pointed it out. the fact that none of us can know exactly who’s there, what they did, and how they’re treated is part of the problem. often, people living near concentration camps didn’t know what happened there until they closed. you need to get real.
Note the Israeli flag the guy on the left is holding- I doubt that they support Auschwitz.
Yeah, lets take a look at that flag and ask the uncomfortable question about what the war on the middle east is really about…well besides oil profits. Please folks, do your homework.
It’s about securing the world from the threat of militant Islam.
And yet you say you don’t watch the MMM? Somebody has been watching a fair amount of Fox News though it seems..
That’s MSM, not MMM. And I don’t watch TV at all.
You lefties think entirely in terms of stereotypes.
Hello Kettle, this is Evil Pundit resident fifth grader.
Who protects the world from militant Christianity? Or militant Judaism?
Shit, I love to wake up tomorrow and find the only militant branches of religions being the Amish and the Quakers.
Where are the militant Christians or Jews blowing up people because they don’t believe?
Oh right, there aren’t any. Only militant Muslims.
Eric Randolph. Timothy McVeigh.
Timothy McVeigh wasn’t blowing up things for the sake of Christianity. That leaves exactly ONE “christian” terrorist.
But over the same period, there have been literally thousands of Muslim terrorist attacks.
isreal was founded by terrorists. timothy mcveigh was a catholic.
spelled israel wrong. and just so people don’t think i’m an anti-semite, i was talking about the bombing of the king david hotel.
Are catholics not Christian?
Israel was founded by the United Nations.
Timothy McVeigh’s bombing had nothing to do with his religion.
History FAIL.
Ah, so every time a militant muslim blows something up, it is *ALWAYS* a direct result of his religion and not about politics or because he’s pissed off about the occupying army, while every time a militant christian/jew/hindu blows something up, it is NEVER a result of his religion?
Makes perfect sense to me.
The militant Christians are down at the abortion clinic blowing it up and shooting doctors. Your welcome.
Or maybe even You’re welcome. Damn it.
You’re right.
It’s worrying to think that you can tell which races he minds seeing tortured from the flag he holds.
He’s one of the best correspondents on the Daily Show! I love him, too!
I think a bunch of people should get together for a picture with him.
I cant help but notice there is no other ethnic group in the picture besides the Euro-americans. Do the other immigrant groups feel differently than these ones?
Looks like a Mexican American to the right rear, they are generally very conservative.
Probably Cuban American. The Cubans here are majorly right-wingers. Mexicans, not so much, unless instructed by their church.
Which one is Evil Pundit?
*waves*
HAAAA!
I don’t have the patience to wade through this. Did EvilPundit ever cite any source other than a Wikipedia article that contains “ALLEGEDLY” IN THE FREAKIN’ TITLE?
Yes.
Me too. Never really any point ‘debating’ something with Evil Pundit and his followers. Sometimes I think he’s actually a Pundit Kitchen employee pretending to be a cartoonish right-wing bigot, to keep the comment section going. I mean ‘Evil Pundit’? It’s in the name.
If you ever want to see a almost comical example of someone so blinded by their right-wing identity, that they will not listen to reason or even actual fact, then just read any Evil Pundit response.
You wish your comments could be cool like mine. =]
I just wish I WAS you. It’s all I think about. *sigh*
…is the guy on the far left holding the isreali flag? Why?
Because otherwise it would fall down.
Okay, now THAT was funny!
Stinking Jews…they smell like smoke
The sign to the far left looks like “I love gizmo”.
This is in downtown West Chester, PA (Philadelphia suburb) on the corner of High St and Market Street directly across from the Chester County courthouse.