Record deficits
Record job losses
Record number of uninsured
Record number living in extreme poverty
Record gas prices
Record number of wars

they’ve also been in the lead in terms ov culture and entertainment* for pretty much ever.

*as opposed to america, at least; i say nothing as opposed to the rest ov the world.

http://www.amazon.com/Target-Caught-Crosshairs-Hillary-Clinton/dp/0974670162/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214770466&sr=8-1

I’d just like to agree with Chris here, your a topman for having the balls to speak your mind infront of Ameri-tards, as i am suprised to see that you are still posting here and have not been killed for disagreeing to the all mighty and all knowing ameri-tards!

Friendly fire….ever seen that video of the ameri-tard plane that totally wipes a British convoy out? Those pilots were so stupid they didnt see the huge orange ‘please dont shoot me Mr american’ markers on the roofs of the vehicles. Secondly, was there a hint of a hill-billy accent in there? or do you all talk like you’ve got Saddams hairy balls in your mouth?

So as my opinion…i think George dubya Bush is a fucking moron in all fairness as he is just an oil stealing, ally killing tool =) From my point of view he has done a piss-poor job in Iraq and Afghanistan as all he has done so far is kill your troops *also highly respected, well mainly* and kill our troops and a bunch of people who managed just fine before you turned up and took a great big hot dump on them =)

Kindest Regards,

James

Another win for the George Bush strategery against WMD-proliferating terrorist states.

Your double standards are showing.

2. The sleeping enemy in question was not in our back yard at the time. And it was not the US taking the lead on the issue. It was the British. The British were the only power in the region at the time that had the strength to resist. They chose not to, so we had no action to support. We were providing pilots and supplies to the British far before we officially entered the war. Roosevelt wanted a way in that would silence the seperatists and he got it with Pearl Harbor. No matter who wins this point, it is idiotic to say that we should have let a sleeping enemy lie. simply idiotic. Since your point is that they did it, it was wrong, and we did it too, I assume that you agree it was wrong and and was wrong in the case of Osama bin Badguy. I appreciate your support for my point, even if you think you were not supporting it. Of course, I expect just that kind of drivel from someone who thinks their country is the root of the world’s evils. Trust me the “We were doing it wrong too” argument does not excuse the fact that it was wrong.

3. We are succeeding. I am not sure if you noticed that the war has steadily been becoming less of an issue by the day. Soldier deaths are way down, civilian deaths are way down, the Iragi security forces are continuing to come on line and take over what had been done by our men and women. I know you do not want it to be true, but those are the facts. However, my main point is that we do not want their opinion and that if we ever did, we would let them know. I cannot see that ever happening. Especially us ever asking some weak-willed Brit who posts to Punditkitchen.

4. Accoriding to the TelegraphUK, the country still maintains around 3k soldiers in Iraq. I appreciate their support. They are still engaged in Afghanistan in a much larger way. I did not question his opinion of the war in any way. I welcome his comments on HIS country’s involvement in the war. However, every one of my comments was directed at his criticism of Bush and comments on American politics. Wanna have a voice? Become a citizen. I would welcome him with open arms, cook him some decent food, and we can have a real discussion on politics. I’ll even buy him a beer. Until then, he needs to butt out.

I notice that no one has commented on the answer to his question that I opened the message with. I was hoping someone would have something to say about that. I think that point, by far, is the more interesting of all the points I made.

I appreciate your point and agree with trying to inject humor whenever possible. However, Danny has been trying to bring some civility to some of our less civil contributors. I applaud his efforts. I do try to avoid being serious on this site, but when I see something that make sense and is responsible, I say so. I am sorry if my being positive about something someone else said offends you. I am amazed that it offended you to the point you feel the need to write about it, but I apologize. Note that I have not complained really about the fact that people make comments I disagree with, except to explain a few things here and there. I never said I was tired of anything. I just agree with the fact that the President does not really do that much. When he does well he is given way too much credit and when he does poorly he is blamed way too much. And that is for any president. At any rate, I think you and I can agree that this site has morphed into something much larger than making fun of politics. The humor of the pics and captions has more often than not been a catalyst for serious conversation. These conversations are sometimes valuable for people contributing to the discussion. Your comment is basically that the conversation should not be going on. I do not understand it, but I respect your right to say so. I will say though, that it will not stop me from speaking up and I would doubt that it will stop anyone else.

1. “Last I checked we fully rejected British wisdom around 1776.” Well, if it weren’t for the fact that we got help from the French and the British had other things on their minds that were a bit more important that some uppity colonists we might not have been so successful with that.

2. “some smart British folks thought it would be a good idea to let a sleeping enemy invade poland and annex Austria.” And so did the United States. We happily ignored what was going on in Europe even longer than the British and it wasn’t until Pearl Harbor attacked that we decided to get involved.

3. “When we want some British ass to give his opinion on American politics, we will colonize the country and ask for it.” I think we’ve invaded enough countries without success for now, thank you very much.

Finally, Chris’ country was (and still is, do you guys still have troops there?) involved with the Iraq war and our strongest supporters. He as a citizen of the U.K. has as much right to make a comment on said war as we do. Just like he has the right to state his opinion on the totally free website that lets you make comments. To be honest, I’ve heard a lot more insulting things (and many directed at me personally, not just my country) on this website than Chris’ rant. I’ll say it again, it’s the internet people, you don’t know anyone here, calm down and get on with your lives.

(I know I spelled ‘piece’ incorrectly, but this text window wont wrap text properly)

mAlise
June 26th, 2008 at 8:49 am

seth, dear, as much as i despise right-wing bush worshippers, your inflammatory bullshit makes me ashamed ov being ‘on your side’.

So, either you believe that she is a liberal or you don’t. If you don’t, then you assume she’s a conservative just because she things that you aren’t arguing very well or representing your party well. Otherwise you are pretending to know that she is IN FACT a conservative in disguise, which makes you either paranoid, crazy, or correct. I’d argue slight (not completely terrible) paranoia. It’s common, and can be actually a good thing (in the right situations).

You are getting back to opinions. Yes, people have beliefs, but they can be unbiased. In fact, when it comes to rules and procedures, I prefer to be somewhat of a machine and do things to the letter. I like common sense when it’s within my power to enforce, but not if it’s my job to follow process.

For judges in this country, I’d hope that being unbiased isn’t an impossibility, at least at a practical level.

“As to whether you are fair, that remains to be seen.”

Okay, can you show me where I was being seriously unfair? As in, I meant it not as a joke.

“Even if you strive to be unbiased in your language, your choice of topics to converse about shows your bias.”

Just because people have opinions and beliefs does not mean that they are biased. Here’s a couple of definitions:

bi·as (bs)
n.
1.
a. A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment.
b. An unfair act or policy stemming from prejudice.
2. A statistical sampling or testing error caused by systematically favoring some outcomes over others.

So, my judgment must be impaired, or I must be unfair, or I must ignore information in order to favor an outcome. Is my judgment impaired? That’s your opinion. Am I unfair? You said it remains to be seen that I’m fair, but you didn’t say that I’m unfair. And have I ignored information? I would argue that I haven’t. Besides, I agree that Bush has been far from a great president, and several of your other points.

And you are correct: words and violence are different things. It was more of a metaphor. By you trolling, you will prove very little to those that you annoy. They see it as justified just as you do. It’s most likely that both sides will perpetuate the “violence” just to prove a point to the other side and try to show how mean the other side is.

I was making a joke about when Chris said:

“Seth, you appear to be the only other contributor to this thread with an IQ larger than their collar size…”

I didn’t actually say that to them, I said that I won’t begin to. I was saying that I wasn’t serious.

And you never said that you weren’t making accusations. In fact, you admitted to trolling. I’ve only tried to argue with presented facts, and this can be backed up.

When I said:

“These people are wrong in their assumptions.”

What I meant was that they are wrong to assume that anybody on this discussion board has an IQ less than their collar size. So, again, you should ask for clarification before you start trying to slay people for what you interpreted as trolling.

Oh, and you can fight all you want, but I don’t think you will bring peace with more violence. Even if it’s just to show them how stupid their own methods are.

You may be surprised to know that there are, in fact, people on this earth (and even on this site) that are unbiased and fair. I’d like to say that I’m one of them, but you wouldn’t believe that anyways (after arguing for this long, I think I am safe in this, which is my first assumption).

I’m seeming angry because there is a double standard on this board, where conservatives feel free to insult and ridicule liberals, while whining about civility when it happens to them. I want to show them what they are doing. I’m just doing my part to educate, as are you.

Looking forward to seeing reprimand the conservatives when they insult and ridicule others. I’m sure you’ll be doing it with as much force and frequency as you are with me. After all, you are completely unbiased and fair, right?

PROTIP: When you defend conservatives who use the word ‘libtard’ and attack liberals by telling them to shut the fuck up, most people will assume you are conservative no matter what you claim to be. In the future, you may want to revise your strategy.

Oh, and I DO have a small penis! So does the rest of 70% of guys out there! Who cares? It still does it’s job (I’m having a child in a couple of months), and my wife is happy.

And I AM civil. Thanks again for proving my point that you are the one making accusations (saying that I’m not civil and that I’m insulting people).

Why are you seemingly so angry (not an assumption, I’m stating how it seems, just to be clear)?

PROTIP: you may not want to exclusively defend conservatives using the word ‘libtard’ while using the word ‘fuck’ to attack a liberal, all the while pretending to BE a liberal. It makes you look like a hypocrite, a liar, and an asshole.

Notice how I’m not making any assumptions about you, as opposed to all of your assumptions about me:

“Why can you dish it out, but not take it?”

Chill. Axe.

Where I live, there is actually a lack of employees. We have trouble filling vacancies from dishwashers to IT professionals.

The forclosures are high. But it is not fair to blame the Bush administration, an executive office, for the failure of the Congress to regulate the mortgage companies that practiced the predatory lending practices that are leading to the foreclosures.

School districts, on average, receive very little money from the Federal government. Somewhere around 2% of their operating budget. Most school funding comes from local governments and the taxes they raise. That is why areas with a low tax base tend to have poorer schools. So again, one cannot fairly blame Bushie for this problem.

I am sorry that your University had to cut 27 majors. But again, unless you are going to some Federally funded university, such as the college of the Department of Agriculture or the National Defense University, there is no connection between the Bush administration and the fact that your college is having budget issues.

The price of gas can, I think, be partly blamed on the Bush administration. However, there are several other reasons: Lack of investment in alternative fuels; lack of building new refineries; rampant overspeculation of commodities; resistance from Democrats to drill for new oil, etc. The point being that, yes the Bushies probably play a role, but there is plenty of blame to go around for that one.

Overall, I would have to say that your arguments are less than well thought out. There are some good arguments against Bush, but these are not the ones. The concern I have is that I do not feel that the two candidates we are faced with provide us with the leadership we need. Kinda makes me sad.

Why the double standard? Why is it okay to troll and insult liberal, but not conservatives? Why can you dish it out, but not take it?