EPIC WIN : EPIC FAIL
EPIC WIN : EPIC FAIL
(Barack Obama & Hillary Clinton)
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I like it! So true, so very true. On the Democrat side, Obama’s got it in the BAG!!!
~Josiah~
Actually no. He is driving the US into deeper debt. Can you say $1.4 trillion deficit? I know you have to spend money to make money, but maybe America is really screwed… not sure if it matters by this point who you put in the White House.
He really has had it in the bag for weeks.
To be honest her speech was a big let down. What does she think she can do now? By continuing to fight she alienates the super delegates, and the pledged delegates can’t change their vote unless no one reaches 2026…I mean 2118 now.
She’s out, she just needs to accept it now, not encourage her supporters to continue to ignore reality. Is she really going to let her supporters vote McCain?
i dont know where to go, im sure as hell not staying here under the new order of the obama reign
911? Need a Whaambulance to Pundit Kitchen… have a case of possibly terminal reality denial with serious contusions on the ego…
Don’t worry, bobby. Despite not having any ‘real’ candidates for the coming election – and by ‘real’, I mean ‘viable’ – Obama’s screwed his Messianic image over well enough that I don’t believe you will have to move anywhere.
Well, still beating McCain in national polls and state by state polls. And getting better every day and McCain continues to tell the American public that economy isn’t his strong point and that his economic policy is a work in progress. So, I don’t know where you’re getting that he isn’t a viable candidate.
Obama hasn’t surrounded himself with, well, the smartest of people. You don’t have to know everything and how to do it to be a good leader – you have to be able to delegate, and surround yourself with people who might outshine you, for the greater good, in order to make a difference, to be a good leader.
I’m not for McCain, but if he has a good economic advisor, who cares if it’s not his strong suit – he won’t be dealing with it.
I don’t know how we ended with such a horrible field of candidates this year, but it’s rather disappointing.
Ok, when you provide evidence that he’s doing that we’ll talk. Also, evidence that Obama has not surrounded himself with some damn smart people? He has a coherent and consistent policy on the war, the economy, health care, energy independence (which he cosponsored in the senate). If you don’t like it that’s fine, but they are well thought out by all means. Who sounds like they are asking for “on the job training” when they admit they they haven’t come up with a goos understanding and plan for the economy and his campaign says it’s a work in progress. Not Obama, that’s for sure who has educated himself and has a campaign that can articulate it. My fault in McCain is that he has not made these steps ahead of time or even by the time he started his run. This if thing is a big if at this point. This “trust me, I’ll get eventually” mentality doesn’t even work with college students let alone presidential candidates. have a plan that is well thought out *before* you think that you’re a good presidential candidate. And, if you can’t come up with one on your own, at least understand what your advisers have told you so that you can let people know.
If you are really interested in the efforts Obama has taken to surround himself with a diverse array of “the smartest of people,” read the attached article from the Chicago Tribune. With over 700 policy experts advising him, it’s hard to list them all, but this provides some highlights of the very intelligent, knowledgeable and well respected members of his policy team. However, it is important to note that Bush has a (and had some that thought better of working with him) some very intelligent people working for him as well. It is also important that you listen to and understand the information given by those you consult, which Obama has proven by being able to articulate his stances in both public speeches and impromptu forums. http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/printedition/monday/chi-obama_mon_nusep17,0,3844054.story
Hasn’t surrounded himself with the smartest of people? Are you talking about Wright or something? Who was never part of his campaign Whether you agree with Obama or not, you have to give him credit for running a very tight campaign. Very few mistakes, no high-level defections, great media relations, never-before-seen grassroots financial support. And he has played to win, not to beat Hillary in places she stood to win anyway. That’s why her campaign is broke and he has three times the treasury of McCain. People keep talking about experience — looks to me knows how to run things pretty well.
Yeah… Look up “Phil Gramm”…
Have looked him up again, just in case I missed something that made it look like this guy has actually improved McCain’s knowledge of the economy. Turns out nope. Joined in Summer 2007, while still a lobbyist for a foreign bankA, and comments by McCain citing his lack of knowledge came after this guy joined his campaign. Also has a decent, although not outstanding record. (Tried to pass some changes to the budget, but were deemed unconstitutional or counter to other budget guidelines). If this is who you cite as the one guy you go for economic advice you’re in trouble. I haven’t decided if this is better or worse than ignorance of the economy. At least then you can’t mess it up too much.
so leave then, i’m suprised you lived through the 8 years of bush.
4 years of hillary would have made it a rough 16.
8 + 4 = 12
Not using Hillary math.
BEST. EVER! Love it, love it, love it.
epic care: still missing
Might I please beg original context for Obama’s happydance? Because this is an image I shall treasure. BWAH, my candidate, he is teh candidate, and he can dance!
Never mind. Just saw the stool he’s sitting on. I still call happydance.
I also call Need To Get Some Sleep.
I figured this woulda been a good one to put a link to the Failblog with……
fail blog has pissed off alot of people right now
probs don’t wanna make it worse
… Like who? Most of the people I know who frequent there are more than pleased at the amount and quality of humour presented… I couldn’t imagine anyone being upset, much less infuriated, at it…
They put up a “controversial” pic that’s getting some controversy.
Gah. Saw that. Gotcha now. :S
McCain: Epic win.
LOL at the housewife losing.
Condescending much?
LOL at the Replican mysoginist.
..and also at my accidental spelling of ‘Republican’. Sounds kind of apt though somehow…
indeed!
LOL at the person who finds me using ‘housewife’ insulting. If she’d worked her way to her position a la Maggie Thatcher, I’d have respect for her, as it is, she is only where she is because she was the presidents wife.
wow, you condescending maggot… I didn’t support Hillary, but I still believe she has more education, drive, and work ethic than you’ll ever demonstrate in your sad little life.
Comment by lallz on another page.
“She’s a MILF though. I’d trade my first wife for her. If I had a wife. Can I even have a wife being female? I mean what does one call the other half in a civil partnership?
Who cares, Cindy McCain for MILFy first lady!
And McCain for President, too!”
This is so seriously sad that Lallz a woman and values plastic beauty over actual intelligence and drive. Give praise to those women who get by on their money and looks and taunt women who make a strong political career for themselves by saying that it was only because of a man. Way to strengthen the rather weak case of misogynistic males. If you read my other posts, I am not a Hillary supporter, but she is definitely worthy of respect for many things she has accomplished in her political career, often despite Bill. I seriously doubt from your ignorant posts that you are a strong independent woman. But, if you are a women who has worked against sexism and made a career for yourself, I hope that you are embarrassed at your own comments and never have anyone use comments like this against you.
Boy would it be nice to have someplace where the Obama-crush wasn’t completely rampant. Guess here isn’t the spot. Think I’ll stick with the Kittehs. Too bad Hillary would have made a better president than either one of these two tools.
If you want a place where the Obama crush isn’t rampant, leave the US or at least the Democratic party. He is the winner of the primary by all reasonable measures and has had more people come out to support him than any candidate. Of course, if you don’t count anyone who voted by way of a DNC approved caucus AND count Michigan where he wasn’t on the ballot and they didn’t count the large number of write in votes, then it starts to look like Hillary might be remotely justified in staying in the race. If you think that Hillary would make a president, that’s great. that’s what the primaries are for and I hope you voted. However, it is a sad truth that you are not the only person who gets to vote (ooh, a new metric for Hillary to claim victory!), so don’t be upset when you go to sites that a representative of the feelings of the nation. Go to sites that say what you want to hear only.
The best thing about this site is that it skewers EVERYONE equally. If you don’t think so, then you aren’t reading everything.
This seems awfully mean-spirited.
Acually I think Hillary is going to do pretty well out of the whole shebang. Her power and standing in the Democrats has x10 now.
Yeah, her fail was hardly epic if we’re going by votes.
Which votes? I mean honestly? The only time the metric works for her is if you FAIL to count people who voted in caucuses, you FAIL to count people who wrote in Obama in Michigan, you FAIL to let people know ahead of time that you will count their vote and so you many people stay home (especially in Michigan). You then have to FAIL to acknowledge that Clinton said before the elections (repeatedly) that Michigan and Florida would not count, FAIL to count some non-state elections and count others (most notable people who are serving our country abroad), FAIL to acknowledge that the Clinton campaign was actually given delegates for the states of Michigan and Florida anyways, FAIL to acknowledge that she couldn’t win even if these states were counted fully despite the fact that voters were told this was roughly the equivalent of a straw poll, and you FAIL to acknowledge that the metric that was pre-decided by the DNC and agreed upon by BOTH candidates to determine this election is not popular vote but votes of delegates. So, yes, if you count it this way, where the Clinton campaign picks and chooses which voters count based on which states she was winning, you can get her to be about 3000 ahead of Obama. However, if you use any metric where people who go to a place of voting (actually whether or not you include Florida and Michigan where they were told they were not officially voting) Obama still wins, so if you still think that Clinton is winning by any reasonable metric then you FAIL at math. The fact that her campaign *knows* this and still deceives her supporters and continues to spend her way to an even larger campaign debt means that she FAILS to be an honest representative of even her own supporters. This deeply saddens me, because I used to really respect Clinton and defended her right to stay in the race until it was proven by every metric that it was impossible for her to win or even claim a reason to stay in the race. I would have even supported her as a vice-president until about a month ago. But, this deception of the American people is too much for me to trust her in a leadership position.
Take Obama’s cock out of your mouth for a minute. Cause seriously… this fellatio is getting annoying.
Class!!!! looky everyone, I found real class, right here!!!!
Take Hillary’s cock out of YOUR mouth for a minute. Cause seriously…
Huh; you’re right, it does feel good to make an uninformed, meaningless personal attack. Doesn’t make you right, though…
Do you really believe that the caucus states don’t count at all? Because you have to believe that to agree with her math. Who’s trying to ‘disenfranchise’ voters now?
This ‘popular vote’ lie^H^H^Hmisdirect has been annoying for a while, and I’m glad it’s over. Or will be after Saturday, at least.
Oh, someone doesn’t know how to debate with facts, that’s so sad. I’m sure it must have been frustrating and without facts, all you can do if imply that they have had a torrid relationship with someone. Perhaps you meant to imply I was gay too. Not sure on that one, but I’m a progressive woman, so it doesn’t work on many levels. However, not not really offended, could prove that one wrong too and you have in no way addressed my argument. I’m going to have to claim epic win here too, since I actually have a sound argument based on the real state of the world and you have absolutely no argument.
EPIC FAIL
I give this post an ‘AMEN!!!’
No, it’s true. She still _failed_, because the only way she can claim the popular vote is to ignore the caucus states, which is arrogant and high-handed in the extreme. It’s also not relevant, any more than claiming the popular vote in a general election.
Still, with all said and done, the ‘epic’ nature of Hillary’s failure is based on the expectations. Remember that this was supposed to be a straight-up coronation. She was absolutely the dominant force going into this, and nobody expected Obama to survive, much less thrive.
This was an epic win for him, in all senses. For her, the epic fail is that she lost, when she (and everyone else) believed she was ‘inevitable’.
Proverbs 16:18 Pride goes before destruction, And a haughty spirit before stumbling.
Hillary lost my vote when she had Rupert Murdoch at a fundraiser. She lost my vote when she voted for authorization to use force based on lies that she didn’t research before voting. Hillary lost my vote for not having a strong stance against the illegal and immoral war in Iraq. But that’s the way that I was thinking. I doubt seriously that most voters in the primary gave much time to researching the candidates fully. No matter. It’s over. Time to unite and move forward.
Hillary had my respect, had name recognition, money, people and power going in, and it didn’t matter. In a political race, all but one lose for any given office. It’s the way of things. I don’t think it helps anyone to gloat over a win (which is why Obama is decidedly *not* doing that, you might notice). It also doesn’t help to call the loss on Hillary’s part “epic”, whether it was or not is a matter of opinion anyway. Can we start to let it go?
Somehow, and I don’t know exactly how, but some number more than half of the remaining liberals/progressives/Democratic Party members voted for the man who is well spoken, well organized and well respected who has little name recognition, little political experience, but more candor and grass roots money (as opposed to lobbyist from the weapons manufacturing industry as Hillary and McCain both do).
The American people are broke, worn out from lies, and worn out from corrupt bought off politicians who say one thing and do another. It’s time to *start* to end that, and Obama is at the moment our best hope, like it or not. I hope that supporters of Senator Clinton will realize that it’s not about her being female, it never was. I seriously hope that there is a place for Clinton in the cabinet or in another position. It’s not about Obama being black, or male, it never was for me anyway. It’s about the fact that America is headed down a really bad road, and turning it all around as quickly and as best as possible is job number one. Once in office, I hope that Clinton supporters will not continue to say things that I’ve heard like “He’s not leadership material”, or whatever. This is why I hope that Obama does offer Clinton some part to play in the new leadership. The majority spoke, and the primary is over with a clear winner. We should be happy that there was a clear winner, and not some muddied mess that blows the last real opportunity for good governance. We should all start to focus on the real problem, which is _8_ more years of McCain/Bush/Cheney et al. If we don’t say “it was a good race, well played” and make up, we _lose_. All of us. Hillary and Obama are not the problem. Either one of them would have been a far better choice, That much is certain. Let’s do what Replicans do best and get all of our force behind one arrow, shall we?
I was really glad to see Clinton come out yesterday in support of Obama. Despite my fears, she actually seemed sincere in her endorsement and gained much of my respect back. I faulted her for some of the wedges she had put into the Democratic party by suggesting votes should be counted in an inconsistent way and placing doubt in her supporters minds about the validity of this election. However, I think she also did a great job of talking to some of her more adamant supporters in a way that led them to Obama. If she continues to work toward unity (as I now beleive she is capable), I think that she can prove an asset, rather than a liability to the Democratic party and should be involved in some way in leadership of the party (not sold on Vice-president right now, but some major role where she can work for issues that have been important for her). Only time will tell if her speech was enough, but I am very happy to see the Democratic party come together.
How blind is the general American public? Ron Paul was a very promising candidate but people are too blinded by the heavily controlled mass media to even realize it. Oh well, here’s to another 8 year “bush” regime.
yeah, Obama’s gonna be SO like Bush….. and Ron Paul had issues of his own, if you scratched the surface (apart from being yet another old, white, southern guy).
Plus, Obama just won, so suck my dick.
how is Obama like Bush at all? Hes totally different!! are u even sane?