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Only because the picture asked me to, that’s the Duggar family. They have a special on the Discovery Channel because they have 17 kids…and she just found out she is pregnant again. Funny thing is, they all have names that start with the letter ‘J’. Creepy.
Looking at this woman all I see is: “look at me, I can have babies.”
I personally, have had SEVERAL miscarriages trying to have one of my own. To see this makes me want to vomit and let her know just how disgusting she is.
Why would you want to ADVERTISE to the world how many children you’ve had?! There are SO MANY of us out here that can’t have a baby and she does this.
Can we say Salt in the wounds? Can we say, I’m vain and a braggart? Her husband is NOT exonerated either. He’s just as much to blame as she is.
Jealous much?
Believe it or not; her having children is not an attack on people who can’t. I seriously doubt the publicity around their family is designed to make you feel bad about being unable to carry a baby to term. I’d wager a year’s salary that it never occurred to them that some people might be offended by them choosing to have a large family.
It’s pretty ridiculous to be offended by someone having kids. Everything people do is not about you.
the only thing I find sickening here is how some of you people can say stuff like that about these people. Believe it or not, not everything is a personal attack on you. She can’t control what the media shows about the pictures. HOW IS SHE BRAGGING? SINCE WHEN WAS RAISING A FAMILY A BAD THING?
She isn’t advrtising how many kids she had. Its a family picture. You are the one I find disgusting here.
actually.. they ARE advertising how many children they have. they’re exploiting their family to make money. they get paid for the show, they get paid from their website.. it’s sickening to me how they use their children like this. it’s all about attention for them. otherwise they would be raising their family in PRIVATE.
Exactly. They would be finding a way to do it without using money from tv specials and such. And if they really *don’t* need that money, then why are they doing it if not to show off? Isn’t there something in the bible about how you aren’t supposed to do that?
Do you have any idea how much money it costs to raise even a single child from birth to adulthood?
It costs anywhere from 125,000 to 250,000 per child
http://moneycentral.msn.com/articles/family/kids/tlkidscost.asp
and thats when you actually kick them out at 18
Its perfectly reasonable to get some of that back with a television show.
She’s not “raising” the family, though! Organizing the family, maybe. But not raising it. Each kid gets shuffled off to be raised by an older sibling as soon as the latest model comes along. She’s having lots of babies, not raising lots of kids. There is a difference.
Okay, lots of families employ help of older siblings with the younger ones. Just how is that wrong?
Back before birth control, people had lots of kids and did the exact same thing.
Is it any worse than dropping off your ONE child into a daycare full of strangers because you can’t be bothered to raise it yourself? Better older siblings than someone who’s just changing diapers for a paycheck, IMO.
Sounds like your just bitter and jealous because she can have children and you can’t. Don’t hate her because she can do what you are having troubles with. How shallow can you be??
Raising a family isn’t a bad thing at all, in fact it’s a good thing. But since I don’t live in America I have to ask 2 things, what does her husband do to support 18 children? Does she claim off the state to support them? Personally having up to 4 kids is great as you can actually contribute something back besides just making loads of people, 18 kids? Please just stop, use a condom, or the pill or even the pull out technique if you are against those as they could be religious, who knows, but do something – we don’t live like the Victorians, you don’t HAVE to do this.
To say being a Mum is a full time job is true, but then I do see a lot of people just having kids as a excuse not to do any work. Not to say being a Mum isn’t hard work, but it’s not work/work is it really:/ Do onto others as you would expect to be done unto yourself some wise person said once, and if I had 18 kids I think I would expect people to wonder why I couldn’t stop having kids like that. To the lady above, I am sorry for you losses, but glad you have a little special person now.
People do what they do, but what are we supposed to do – cheer them for having the ability to have children ALOT? They have the ability to have kids, well done – you have the same ability as every animal on this Earth. Her bits must be like the dartford tunnel or she must have a awesome doctor who put several extra stiches in there. Is there any friction in there at all? Maybe she needs sex addiction therapy. My cat had 8 kittens in 1 session, beat that! – my cat has more skills than you!!
I don’t need to know about people like this they frustrate me, I hear stories of people wanting to marry thier sister or brother, people who hurt others for fun, people who think its OK to let other people do everything for them whilst others work so hard. Its NOT OK! I don’t need to be told by them on my TV how they think it’s OK. I guess I can switch my TV off, or never read a paper or listen to the news, but it becomes normalised as other people watch it, and most people really don’t think for themselves and just follow the crowd. Do what you will I say, but I don’t need to listen like I guess right now you don’t even need to listen to me.
He sells crack.
actually, he was a state representative for a while. I’m not sure if he still is or not.
No, he is not. He lost his seat a while back. They own several commercial properties and rent those out and make a VERY good living off of them.
They’re on welfare, of course. I watched the show a couple of times. That really pisses me off. Can’t afford any more kids? No worries, the government will take care of you! What about the rest of us who actually — get this — MAKE SACRIFICES!!! I can’t stand that my tax dollars go to people who count on the government to support them no matter what. In fact, I have a few cousins that keep having kids just so they’ll get more money from the state. They don’t even raise the poor kids, the relatives take them on because these girls ar HORRIBLE mothers, but they still claim them as dependents on their taxes. This is NOT okay. This whole home foreclosure bailout is the same way. We just moved to a new house, and we could have gone for a $500,000 house with no money down and made payments, like many people did. Instead, we made sacrifices to live in a place that we KNEW we’d be able to afford. Bailing out all these people who bought beyond their means is a slap in the face to those of us who live responsibly. They made a few payments, but that’s just equivalent to paying rent for a few months to live in a really nice house. COME ON!!!
I suppose you can’t blame the girls themselves. There is a reason we don’t want girls making their OWN babies at 17 years of age and younger. They just usually aren’t mature enough to raise children and that’s not an insult to them, just a comment on typical maturity of teenagers. Their “parents”, on the other hand, or should I say “sperm donor” and “biological birthing unit”? Are selfish and pathetic.
Raising their parents’ babies at 17 years of age and younger isn’t much better.
“She’s not ‘raising’ the family, though! Organizing the family, maybe. But not raising it. Each kid gets shuffled off to be raised by an older sibling as soon as the latest model comes along. She’s having lots of babies, not raising lots of kids. There is a difference.”
Yep, these parents are yet more people having babies then dumping the responsibilities on someone else. The dumpees are yet more children raising children.
Agreed. On every point.
*applauds*
If you’ve watched the show, you’d know they’re NOT on Welfare…and they don’t buy on credit. I think having 18 kids is ridiculous, but at least give them credit where it’s due…
Actually if you watched the show or researched the family at all you would learn that they are debt free – no welfare! Get your stories straight Bex.
The Duggars do not live on welfare, do not receive food stamps, medicaid, nor any other public assistance. They never have. If you have watched the shows about them, you would know that they are both realtors and that is where they made their money. Michelle is rather fond of saying “Buy used, save the difference.” They built their house, themselves, using money from the second special to pay professionals to help finish it when the house they had been renting was sold.
I may have a lot of problems with what the Duggars are teaching their children, and especially with them having 18 biological children when there are so many children in this world that need good homes that they could have adopted instead. I *DO* have to give them credit where credit is due, though; they do NOT depend on the state to pay for raising their children. They are doing at least THAT much themselves.
LOLZ SHE HAZ LOTS O BABYZ!!!!!1
Am I the only woman in this world who doesn’t want to have children at all? Your worth is NOT determined by your ability to have children. Personally, I think this woman is as worthless as Paris Hilton. Both are putting huge road blocks in the progress women have been making to gain respect as people who are more than pretty things to look at and baby-mamas.
So, be happy that you don’t have to worry about having children. You can put your time and energy into more productive endeavors.
of course if all the women in the world said, “I don’t want to stop progress, so i’m not going to have kids!” then there would be no more people, as there would be no more births. if you view having children as a sign of shame and a road block to progress, then you obviously don’t know that putting energy into reproductive endeavors keeps a species afloat instead of driving it to extinction.
but she is still worthless, it’s true. there’s a time when enough is enough. that’s around 5. 5 kids is more than enough. when you’re about to break 20 it’s time for someone to get spayed. or her husband should get a vasectomy. remember, it’s not a clown car.
I think her point was that it’s viewing the worth of a woman, including yourself, as only her ability to have and raise children, that is shameful and a roadblock to progress. Because I happen to agree. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to have and raise children, but if you value yourself and other women by only that yardstick, that IS very wrong. We should all be able to view the having of children as a choice to be made by individuals and couples, and not as anything contributing too or detracting from the value of a woman.
erm… i’m not a woman…
Honestly, we’re going to drive ourselves to extinction more quickly by the rate we’re reproducing.
quite
I’m very happy to be a non-breeder.
Sure, the continuation of the human race is important, so
someone’s got to do it, but it’s not going to be me. In addition,
there’s having kids, and then there’s popping them out
assembly-line style. 18 kids? That just gives me the creeps.
Maybe they’re trying to make up for those who aren’t having kids?
Either way, there’s this thing call birth control.. They’re setting a horrible example. I personally wouldn’t want to raise 18 kids–I’d be worried I wouldn’t be able to provide a good life. Not to mention, being a kid in that family can’t be all that great: hand-me-downs and such. Not very much attention…
I can see the the caption now, “Birth control… You’re doing it wrong.”
Technically, they do use a form of birth control. It’s called pregnancy.
Wow – I’m sorry I have a son. I will make sure I check with every person who has had a miscarriage before we try to have another. As for the Discovery special, I bet they offered money, which they gladly accepted because as I hope you will soon find out, kids are expensive.
It’s like how we all used to get so mad when our parents would say “Clean your plate because there are starving children in Ethiopia!”. How did cleaning our plate when we were full help the starving Ethiopians? It didn’t. Issues needing attention need the right kind of attention, not empty gestures. And there is no reason to stuff yourself or to deprive yourself of children just because other people have issues with food and fertility. It doesn’t help them to make yourself suffer.
There’s no need to be so dramatic.
A point is trying to be made that 18 kids is a lot of kids–especially in the eyes of someone who continuously having miscarriages. How can two parents provide enough emotional stimulation as well as finance this family?
If you check out their website http://www.duggarfamily.com, they have commercial properties they rent out, plus use the money from their TLC show “18 and Counting”. They have a huge house they built specifically from them, yet go to second hand stores for clothes, grow most of their own food, and make their own laundry soap. They only pay 1.60 a month for laundry where we normally pay 30-60.
Cecelia, I can appreciate the pain you feel not being able to have children. I can not have children either and I’m a Labor and Delivery RN to boot. The pain is often very deep when my patient asks me “so how many children do you have”. A very innocent question, not meant to cause me pain but yet it often does. This is when I remember I’m there to take care of my patient and to help her bring her child into the world, healthy and happy. It is not my right or place to “rain on her parade” (to coin a very old saying). I answer her question in some sort of positive up beat way the best I can and then change the subject by asking her something positive about herself.
Cecelia having been where you are, grieving the loss of the children you have dreamed of having, I can say life does go on and there are many, many other joys in life to experience so don’t miss out on them by letting the pain destroy you (sometimes I still grieve as the pain does not ever go away completly). It seems to me you are displacing the anger you have about your situation on these parents who has been blessed with the task of raising 18 children.
I think it’s wonderful that they have opened their hearts to life so completly that they don’t want to ever block the possiblity of new life through birth control or sterilization. Especially in this day and age when the popular view frowns on such openess to new life.
I hope that you have either a counsler or support system or group that can help you work through the grief. If you don’t I highly suggest you seek it out. You might start with the local hospital or even your OB/GYN they might have information about counslers or support groups in your area. Often support groups can be found online as well. I have seen two counslers (we moved to another area) who have been most helpful. But, my most important support has been from my Husband who has had to work through his own grief related to infertility as well. God Bless.
Why is it her problem that some people can’t have kids? Maybe she is proud of the fact that she is able to mother than many children. Thats hard work! I’m sure you wouldn’t understand, but being a mother is not about ’showing’ the people who cant have kids. Theres much more to that. You shouldn’t be bitter just because you’re jealous. Should everyone in the world just stop having kids to make people who cant feel better about themselves?
While I agree with you that people who have kids aren’t doing it to make other people feel bad, I do have to say that I really don’t think she’s actually “mothering” all those children. She hands them off to the older girls to raise. How does that saying go? Having children doesn’t make you a mother any more than owning a piano makes you a concert artist. Something like that.
She doesn’t just ‘hand them off to the older girls to raise’. Just because she doesn’t do absolutely everything for each of them that a woman with two or three kids would be able to do doesn’t mean she’s not mothering them. I imagine having the older siblings involved with raising the younger ones is a fantastic way to build strong family bonds. And if that woman was doing all of the work for each and every child, it’s almost guranteed that someone would be neglected. This way, each and every one of them are well taken care of. And if I remember correctly, they’re all quite happy with the way things are.
A small family works differently than a large family. That’s just the way it is. To judge them because their family structure is different from most is silly, and a bit cruel. And to everyone who says they should use condoms or get sterylized, honestly, what’s your problem? Some women feel called to bring new life into the world, and are lucky enough to have a husband who can support that. I hope to be half as lucky. They’re not hurting anyone.
I seriously doubt that all the older sibblings are so thrilled to have new brothers and sisters to care poping now and then
And what’s more, 18 children? That is irresponsible!
Yes, a small family works differently from a large family. And back in the days when family size couldn’t be controlled and all the girls were just going to marry and have lots of babies anyway, that was a different thing, because the girls needed to learn these things anyway and were pretty much stuck with no alternatives. (Not that getting married and having lots of babies isn’t a great thing if that’s what you WANT, but it should be your choice out of several alternatives.) But now, it’s just plain selfish to pop out THAT MANY kids KNOWING you CAN’T take care of them by yourself and you will have to rely on your older kids and/or other relatives for help. These older daughters don’t make the choice to have these kids-they have no choice in the matter at all. And yet, here come more babies for them to take care of! Just because that’s how it was done in the past, how it had to be done in the past, doesn’t make it right to do today when there is a CHOICE. The oldest Duggar children are suffering because of the selfish actions of Mr. and Mrs. Duggar, which is wrong.
Just want to say, I’m a -lesbian- and I’m having two baby boys. There are more ways to have kids than trying to pop babies out of your failing uterus, Angry Cecelia. Honestly, who is to say she’s vain or a braggart (if you even remember this rather old comment of yours). I suggest you look into adoption.
The fact that this woman can have so many children, love them, be happy with them, and support them is -wonderful-. Publicity just happens to have a fetish for extremely large families and trying to make them look bad.
So I have to ask you: Why would you ADVERTISE how many babies you HAVEN’T had just to make yourself look like a disgusting narcisstic?
But that is where you’re wrong, with that many kids she It is humanly impossible for her to give adequate attention to all of her kids. I bet for the first nine months of the baby’s life she’s there for him/her 24/7 but once the next kids pops out she just hands it over to the oldest kid who can handle it.
And Cecelia, I feel very sorry that you haven’t been able to have kids. My sympathy goes out to you.
Sorry you are having problems conceiving, but with people murdering babies in the womb – to see a family happy, healthy and supporting each other is a miracle
Wow, you’re seriously mad that someone else had kids? Many people have many kids without doing it to make you angry. Get over yourself and look for kids who need a home. You dont have to be pregnant to be a mom and can provide a loving home to a kid that doesnt have one.
Plus, if they give their kids a great home, can afford all of them, and bring them up with amazing values, I say thank you Michelle and Jim Bob Dugger for filling the world with more amazing lives that will help change our future.
Got this from the news, saw it online a couple of days ago when they announced that she was having ANOTHER child…
Joshua, 19; John David, 17; Janna, 17; Jill, 16; Jessa, 14; Jinger, 13; Joseph, 12; Josiah, 11; Joy-Anna, 9; Jedidiah, 8; Jeremiah, 8; Jason 7; James 6; Justin, 4; Jackson, 3; Johannah, almost 2; Jennifer, STILL IN A WOMB THATS BIGGER THAN A THANKSGIVING DAY PARADE BALLOON
I feel bad for those kids. I’m the oldest of four with a single mother (my dad died a few years ago), and it’s hard enough to support us from government welfare, and I know at least I am deprived of emotional attention (not like I mind, trust me) from the younger ones (ages 11-6), but to have all those kids? I mean, that seriously should be considered emotional neglect.
I think so also. If you can’t as an individual (or couple) give your kids the emotional support they need, you really shouldn’t be having them. Or, maybe a better way to put it is, think about how many children you have the resources for yourself, and limit the number of children you have to that many. You cannot and should not count on older siblings to give the younger ones everything they need. Sure, it is good to get them involved with the younger ones, to bond with them and love them and learn how to do their part for the family group. Dare I say, it is kind of like getting a puppy? Your kids you have now can swear up and down they will take care of it and it will be no work to you, but unless you’re either prepared to do ALL the work yourself or get rid of the puppy, you better not get one! And you can’t exactly get rid of a new baby, so you’d better be prepared to suck it up and have enough for all the children you have. It isn’t the older children’s choice whether or not you have another kid, so they shouldn’t have to deal with outragous consequences.
P.S. Just to add, when there is some kind of crisis and everyone MUST go above and beyond, that’s a different thing (such as the death of a parent). But when parents have lots of kids *knowing* they will pass the care of them off to a sibling, I think that’s very wrong.
I completely agree. Recently my mom broke her arm, so needless to say that when the kids came home from where they were all skating at and said my other and last parent was in the hospital, bit of a shock to me, so for two weeks, I had to put taking care of a household above things I should be concentrating on, like schoolwork and my own mental health and stability. Needless to say it was a lot of stress, I’m 14, and being arrested didn’t exactly help either, you know? So I understand the need to go above and beyond, but I can barely take care of myself, let alone taking care of three other kids at my age. I think that all those kids are going to have serious problems in life, and I can only hope the best for them. You just cannot give that kind of emotional and mental care to 18 children at once, there aren’t enough hours in the day, days in the week.
Oh, Amanda, bless your heart. You are in my thoughts and prayers. I have a 16 year old daughter and a 14 year old son. Sweetie, is there anyone who can help you?
Nope, ’cause I don’t need help. The benefit of this is I was a really gifted child, I was going to extra high school classes by third grade, so I generally know how to handle most everything. I actually spend my extra time helping other people. So it’s all good.
Joshua, 19; John David, 17; Janna, 17; Jill, 16; Jessa, 14; Jinger, 13; Joseph, 12; Josiah, 11; Joy-Anna, 9; Jedidiah, 8; Jeremiah, 8; Jason 7; James 6; Justin, 4; Jackson, 3; Johannah, almost 2; Jennifer, STILL IN THE WOMB
Dugger Family.
The lady’s name is Michelle Dugger of Tontitown, AR. They now have either 18 children I think.
It’s Michelle Duggar and her clan.
It’s the Duggar family. I’ve seen them on TV, and they have like, a million children.
It’s Michelle Duggar, she has (now) 18 children.
Those are the Duggars, Jennifer, Johannah, Jackson, Justin, James, Jason, Jeremiah, Jedidiah, Joy-Anna, Josiah, Joseph, Jinger, Jessa, Jill, John-Dadid, Jana, Joshua, Jim-Bob, and Michelle. This picture is at the birth of the 17th child, Jennifer.
EIGHTEEN????? Someone buy those people a Television Set!
the funny thing is Vince, they don’t have a tv set they don’t believe in them.
Think for a moment of the problems facing the world… terrorism… climate change… oil prices… hatred… overpopulation and food shortage… natural disasters…
These dumbasses think the solution is 18 copies of them? They make me sick.
wow. people who raise loving children make you sick. take a look around. a family is all we have, and theirs being that size means a lot of love. Plus they arent terrorists, use many natural resources not to harm the environment, arent oil billionaires, are the nicest people you’d ever meet, aren’t really overpopulating rural arkansas and grow most of their own food, and dont control natural disasters….so i think you need to reevaluate your life and put on your rose colored glasses!
…still not a clown car.
The evidence would seem to indicate otherwise.
They should start just showing some kids back in there.
KEEP. IT. IN. YOUR. PANTS.
Thank you.
its michelle and billybob duggar, they have 17 kids and shes pregnant again, not 18 yet though. they intend to have kids until god decides to stop them.
I’d think this is enough, but I guess not…
Oh geez…
I remember hearing that as the reason for all of the kids and couldn’t believe it. WHY?!?
Or until her uterus falls out of her vagina…whichever comes first.
And then she will have her uterus put back in so she can make even more, even though that might have been the direct sign from god that he wants them to stop.
There is something I find very odd about this, though. They claim they are just taking whatever blessings god gives them by not using birth control and having as many babies as are concieved. I don’t go along with that for myself, but I can kind of see the logic there. But to have 18? They have to be deliberatly doing that by scheduling their lovemaking when she’s ovulating. I am sure with that many (even back when they just had three, or four, or five) they don’t have much time or privacy for such things. To say you will accept whatever “blessings” god gives you, to me that means you don’t on purpose give yourself more than what you would have gotten naturally without deliberatly timing your lovemaking. If you’re going to deliberatly make as many kids as possible, well, again, I don’t agree for myself, but if you think that’s what god really wants, okay. But that’s not what they claim they are doing. That’s just a little weird to me. But then again, back before we had decent medical care, I am sure there were lots of couples who concieved 18 times but either miscarried or lost the babies soon after birth-and many more couples who *could* have concieved 18 times but the mother died in an unsafe childbirth. So, who knows? I just know I’m glad not to be part of it.
You realize, that even if the Duggar parents are indeed “planning their lovemaking”, there’s only about a 25% chance of her conceiving on any given monthly cycle.
I’m reasonably sure that my great-grandparents didn’t “time their lovemaking” to ensure maximum family size, and yet they had 15 children that survived past the age of 3, one that died at 3 in a house fire, one that died at 1 of some contagious disease (I can’t remember which one now), one that died at 6 weeks of what would now be called SIDS, 2 stillborns, and 5 miscarriages. That’s 18 live births and 7 other pregnancies. Without trying one way or the other.
Hmm. Looks like “somebody” really has a beef with some lady that decides to exercise her basic rights to use her lady parts to their . . . fullest. lawl.
HAH! This actually made me snort out loud in laughter. Fullest…hahahaaa.
the government should stop them
How on earth would they do that? There is no way. As much as I think this couple has just gone way overboard and SHOULD stop, for the government to somehow force them to stop would be as bad as forcing someone else to have a child when they didn’t want to. I hate the choice the Duggars have made, and I find it selfish, disgusting, and possibly hypocritical (if they are using the rhythm method in reverse but claiming to leave it up to god, for example) but if I want my own choice to remain voluntarily childless to be only my choice and not that of the government, then I have to say that the government has to stay out of the choice the Duggars have made also-I can’t have it both ways. None of us can. We can only do our best with what we have and what we are given by people who make unwise choices.
The “important” part of who this is: Jim Bob Duggar, former Arkansas state representative turned real estate guy and his enormous brood.
It’s the duggar family. They decided when they got married that they would take all the blessings God gave them. Apparently, sex makes babies. Who knew?
Apparently not a lot of teenagers.
Thank the abstinence-only “sex ed” programs for that.
I really hope BillyBob has one helluva good paying job, cuz I’d hate to be living in AR knowing that my taxes werew supporting folks using God as birth control!
And if you think about it, your taxes *are* helping support them even though they don’t take government welfare. Because at the very least I am sure they happily accept the 18 tax deductions they get having that many kids. And what with this “prebate” thing or whatever they are calling it now, how much did they get? If I did the math right just now, 6600 dollars. I’m sure they didn’t turn that down!
I have trouble getting my 3 kids’ names right sometimes… can you even imagine?! “Je.. Jo.. Ja… who are you? Get over here now!!”
She probably just calls out “JD!” and they know who it is from context.
Or they’re numbered!
Mom “Uhh…you! What’s your sticker say?”
Kid “Number 14″
Mom “Wash the dishes and tell 5 to change 17″
Gag…they make me want to puke. She should be embarassed and he should be neutered.
That’s obscene. Have they never heard of overpopulation, climate change etc? the last thing the world needs is people who should know better having 18 kids.
They’re part of a larger conservative Christian movement. Google ‘quiver-full family’ and see what that gets you. (What are the chances that one or more of the kids is going to have a complete identity crisis?)
or be gay?
you know that’s gotta be worse for those quiver folks…..
Given the amount, I’d say chances are good that two of the spawn’ll be same-gender oriented.
That’s taking the conservative 1-in-10 stats.
Those are the Duggars. I kind of hate to admit it, but I knew them when I was working in NW Arkansas. The are TOTALLY insane,
http://www.duggarfamily.com
Like throwing a hotdog through a hallyway, now, lol…
LOL!!
Pencil in a mayonnaise jar…
That’s exactly what my husband said
D:
*vomit*
Those people disgust me. There is so much concern with overpopulation and they are reproducing like rabbits.
Who are you to judge what this family chooses to do. Its not like this family is encouraging having as many children as they do. This woman has a right to have that many children if she wants to, and it is crucially important to protect that right and others as long as we want a democratic country. If you don’t like it, too bad.
Another important thing to protect in a democratic country is freedom of speech. Sure, she’s free to have as many kids as she wants. But the rest of us are free to talk about it and to not agree with it.
Um, when did lolvisitor say anything about taking away her rights? She said it disgusts her, that’s just an opinion.
I am ashamed to say that I know this – the Duggar family from NW arkansas
She’s going to get hysterical…and I mean in the old school way…they way where you have to many babies and your uterus gives up and falls out of your though your vagina….
owie.
owie.
owie.
at least practice rhythm or something
I personally suspect they ARE practicing “rhythm”-just in reverse. How can you have 18 kids if not on purpose? Wow.
Has no one here ever known a Catholic family from the 40’s-50’s? For Pete’s sake…I suspect that they are not using a “reverse” rhythm method. My mom was one of ten…and they were actually trying to use THE rhythm method. By the way, her immediate family was SMALL compared to her cousins, which had sets of 15 (with two additional miscarriages), 17, and 14 respectively. Just because we don’t see it often anymore doesn’t mean its impossible. I’m not saying I agree with it, in fact I’m an only child…which I definitely think has something to do with my mom’s family size. However, it’s rude to accuse them of purposely trying to have so many kids…maybe they are completely passionate about each other and have sex A LOT…if so…GOOD for them! They love each other…what’s wrong with that?
lawl – owie 18 times already.
What’s one more owie for a prolapsed uterus? =)
She clearly doesn’t mind that risk. rofl.
I’m currently pregnant with my first, due to give birth any days now. I’ve already said I’m NEVER doing this agian. What the hell would possess someone to do this 17 more times?!?!?!
ever see Monty Python’s “Every Sperm is Sacred” from The Meaning of Life?
After a while, you don’t even feel it.
OMGWIN
The Duggars……. the insane family with 18 kids. LORDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Birth control.
Let me show you it.
Holy crap. Here I was all worried about MY carbon footprint. Silly me.
Good one.
Someone needs to update the Bible. Jesus wouldn’t mind.
O Hai ! Let me show u how I allowed myself to be completely de-humanized into a litter-bearing piece of breeding livestock.
O hai. Let me show you how I allowed myself to be completely de-humanized into nothing more than a head of breeding livestock. By rights I should be out in the breeding barn, but my husband lets me come inside when it’s time to whelp another litterl
Michelle Duggar and her -SEVENTEEN- children…
The newborn is the 17th, named Jennifer…
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291949,00.html
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Michelle Duggar, her husband Jim Bob, and their SEVENTEEN kids…
Not 18 .
The seventeenth is Jennifer, who is seen as the newborn in this photo…
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291949,00.html
Seems to me if having eighteen kids is so evil, some of those boys should be in jail living off my tax dollars by now, and some of those girls should be raising kids of their own on welfare – again, my tax dollars. Maybe something’s going right in that family. Besides, what happened to a woman’s freedom to choose what to do with her own body?
As long as they can feed, clothe and house their offspring without public assistance, let’em breed. Gotta wonder what a few of the older ones are thinknig about this whole situation though… “okay, mom, time to slow it down a little.. I think there are enough of us to care for you in your old age, should you survive your child-bearing years!”
Actually, believe it or not this family is completely debt-free and pays for everything with cash. But still….17 kids & one on the way….I couldn’t do it.
me too neither.
if something’s going right in that family, then i thank whatever god i believe in that i’m wrong!
“Evil”? I wouldn’t call it that. But now there are 18 more brainwashed fundie christians in the world. You could argue that this is not really a good thing. You don’t need to be a criminal in jail to cause harm to society.
Completely agree!
Maybe the older kids just see how much of a pain more kids are and have vowed to never have them themselves. Rearing a child at that age would definitely be a deterrent for many young folks!
Birf ctrl – ur duin it rong!
Jeesh. And I thought my brother in law’s family of 11 was big!
Double the kids in this picture, and they could put on a performance of “Every Sperm is Sacred”
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They just keep going at it like bunnies! D:
crazy duggars.
The dad’s name is freeking Jim Bob. And that’s what he goes by. For real.
I lawled hard
incontinence? check. flappy labia? check. breasts rolled up like burritos into bra? check. blind devotion to “god”’s will? check. complete inability to have life outside of home? check.
I don’t have a problem with kids, but I don’t like their “message from God” reasoning. I used to know a family that said “We’ll stop having kids when God tells us to.” Their 10th child was born with a hole in her heart – and they still had another. Now if that wasn’t a sign to stop, what is? I’m a Christian and have no problem with big families, but isn’t this taking it a bit far? And I don’t think the mentality of “leaving it ALL up to God” is a good one, since it’s really subjective and too easily could end up as “whenever I feel like stopping, I use God as my excuse.”
I wonder if they really are “leaving it all up to God”, though. To have that many, I suspect they are deliberatly having sex when she is ovulating. There is probably not that much time or privacy for sex anyway, so, I can’t help but wonder. And you really aren’t letting God decide how many kids you have if you do that, I don’t think. You’re not giving yourself fewer via “sinful” birth control, but you ARE giving yourself MORE.
Nice to see someone’s getting some.
haven’t you been told how having that many babies is unhealthy? Also, the world we live in doesn’t need to destroy anymore innocent children. Who is paying for your several mistakes? You and your husband are disgusting, Mrs. Duggar.
I seriously doubt that they consider any of their children “mistakes” and they certainly aren’t destroying any of them. On the contrary, if you’ve ever seen the shows on TLC, the kids appear well-adjusted, happy and cooperative. Personally, I’d never choose to follow her path, but she seems quite happy with it. How many others can say they’re living their dream? So what if it isn’t everybody else’s dream. That’s no reason for lobbing insults and accusations.
I saw that show and those kids seemed, off somehow. slightly disturbed.
The parents have shifted all parenting to the older kids.
Also ,they are all home schooled in a Christian fundamentalist home.
that perturbs me because those kids often get tauget crazy stuff.
Children are not “mistakes”. “Brandy” why don’t you go have your tubes tied so we don’t have to worry about your producing any “mistakes”.
quick math teim!
if her kids all have 18 kids of thier own… that would be 324 grandkids…..and if we were to repeat this process one more time…. it would be 5,832 great grandkids….. now thats a scary thought. they could be thier own town……. *shiver*
They will have to hire somebody just to keep track of the birthday list.
“Go forth and multiply…”
Indeed…
I can’t believe some of you,
yes this is incredibly creepy, and as a seventeen year old myself, yes i would find it incredibly disturbing that my parents were still going at it like that
but i bet that many of you who are labeling her as a freak, and saying that she should be stopped, would also argue for a “woman’s right to choose” to get rid of one of those so called “mistakes”
guess what? you can’t have it both ways, if a woman can choose to kill a child, she can choose not to as well
And if you have the right to your opinion about abortion, then other people have the right to their opinions about it. As well as opinions about other people’s actions. No, no one should force anyone else to abort OR to raise a child, but we can have opinions and discuss them.
Oh, and…
Plenty of people’s parents are still “going at it” at that age, even older. It’s just that most of them don’t get that many kids out of it! Sex often gets *better* after menopause and all the kids are grown and living out of the house. Granny and Grandpa can have a nooner on the kitchen table because the grown kids don’t have a key to the house and there is no chance of getting caught. Sorry if that disturbs you, but trust me, it won’t when you yourself are that age.
Coming from a family of 8 kids (yes, all natural and yes, all from the same parents), and being friends with families of 12 and 14 kids respectively, I find many of these comments to be EXTREMELY offensive.
I just have a couple questions. First, why should there be a limit to how many kids a family can have? If there’s a limit, that limit can be lowered and we’re that much closer to being as screwed up as China is right now. This may seem like a dramatic leap but it is eventually where the logic progresses to.
Second, most people these days are paranoid about anybody ‘controlling’ them. Half the reason a lot of people hate Christianity (and yes, I am a Christian.. and yes I was homeschooled K-12.. and no I’m not an inborn freak) is because the Bible tells them what they can and cannot do, which is simply unacceptable to them. FREE CHOICE! Like Bellamore said, a woman’s got the right to choose! Well, maybe this family wanted to freely choose to have a large family rather than none at all! What’s wrong with that? And what business is it of yours in the first place?
And finally… Brandy said “Also, the world we live in doesn’t need to destroy anymore innocent children.” I am just curious, Brandy – which do you think is better: for these kids to live lives which no doubt will contain a lot of pain and suffering (and I’m positive have already contained ridicule and stereotyping, since I in my relatively small family have experienced these things) but will also contain much joy and the potential for incalculable good, or for them never to be born at all? I think anybody would rather at least have a chance at life. Humans don’t have the right to remove that chance from another human.
*gets down off of soapbox*
Nobody’s saying there should be a set limit. It’s just seems ridiculous and selfish to have 17 kids, when there are other people doing everything they can to reduce their impact on the environment. Harsh but true. Maybe it was a good thing to have lots of kids when the bible was written, but now, it’s definately NOT. But it’s not like God can just sneakily change the Bible without anyone noticing though!
Plus, there are other kids starving to death in other parts of the world, or being swept away by floods….because of what we are doing to the world.
And having excessive amounts of kids is what is causing your catastrophe? Who knows, maybe they’ll HELP with your cause. I find their reasoning excessive, as well as their exposure, but how is this many kids causing a hindrance on other peoples question to reduce their impact on the environment? And what does their number of kids have to do with starvation in other parts of the world? Have you donated to those parts of the world? Have you adopted kids from there, if you haven’t, why demand that other people act a certain way, when you yourself won’t?
One last thing, why would God need to change the bible for this reason? I don’t recall a verse saying “Yo, have lots of kids and crap”, it was a cultural thing at that time, not a biblical one. That people can take stuff out of context now is certainly not a good thing, but if they aren’t hurting anything, who cares?
‘Be fruitful and multiply’ Genesis 1:28.
And yes, the excessive amount of humans on the planet is a huge cause of what’s happening to it. We can’t help but use up it’s resources. The more humans, the more resources used up. The more planet used up.
I also would have thought is was obvious that I wasn’t saying that THAT family has a direct effect on poorer parts of the world. The same way a particular cow’s methane emissions aren’t responsible for the extinction of the Yangtse River Dolphin. But have a think about it will you?
And no, I haven’t actually adopted a child from Africa yet, but yes I have ‘donated to those parts of the world’. Not that that makes any difference to what I was saying.
I am quite sure that brainwashed fundie christians would never *want* to help with any cause *I* might support.
It would be nice if God could change the Bible to add what he really meant by “be fruitful and multiply”. Did he really mean have as many kids as you possibly can until you die? Or what?
Eat lots of apples and do maths? Makes sense to me. Well maybe not *apples*..
Pweese! Not that argument!!! “ridiculous”, “selfish” to have a lot of kids????!!!!! There may be other very good reasons why it’s not WISE to have so many of them, but….GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!!!!????? Nooooooo, please, don’t start a “Stop procreation” environmental campaign.
“Global Warming” or not, I think it’s impossible to disagree that kids use up a lot of the world’s resources. Individual people have to decide how many kids they want to have and if it is worth the cost to the earth. It would be foolish to say that environmental issues should be the only thing that determines how many children to have, and if to have any at all, but it is always an issue in some form.
Thank you. Politicians won’t talk about it because it would be unpopular, but for the sake of the planet, it has to be addressed by someone soon. The world’s population has doubled in the last 50 years only!! Plus we are more consumerist that ever before, so we using more stuff! Im not saying limit families, but maybe start educating pepole about their responsibilities to the planet, and encourage them to have only 2 kids or less. Plus we need to educate women in poorer countries, so they can have a choice NOT to have loads of kids as a way to survive. Plus contraception should be free in every country on earth.
We also need to remind people that nowadays we are lucky enough to be able to raise to adulthood almost every child that is born. The reason the world’s population is increasing so fast is not so much that people are having more babies, it’s that more babies that are concieved survive to be born, and more babies that are born survive to adulthood to have babies of their own. Not to mention how many fewer women die in childbirth than in the older days.
Intellectually, people know this. It’s just a fact. And it’s a darn good fact, too. But I think somehow, people don’t really feel this in some more primitive part of their minds and so they make many babies, more so than they need. All we need to have nowadays is two or three children if we want a full family-and we can even have only one child if we want and not be running a huge risk of losing all our children by only having one that is likely to die. We don’t need to overbreed ourselves just so we have two or three kids left to complete our families and/or maybe get grandchildren, to share our lives into our golden years. I think this is a point that needs to be explicitly made more often.
I haz an idea – oh wait.
China already had it.
Dam China! Theyz just 2 smart.
China’s way is really really not smart.. in their culture boys are valued more than girls so families would often abandon their baby girls so they could try and have a boy… now when all those boys have grown up they can’t find wives cause guess what… all the girls got abandoned! Limiting family size to 1 child is just a bad idea all around
That’s true as far as it goes. Leaving aside the cultural point, the “standstill” level of children per family is actually still something like 2.4.
It might sound weird to you, but it’s pretty obvious if you actually stop to think, instead of just having a kneejerk reaction to it. There are TOO MANY PEOPLE ON THE PLANET NOW for it to sustain us, never mind considering all the other animals we ’share’ our planet with – and the only way we can reverse this trend is if everyone has 2 kids or less. That includes middle-class Christians.
Yes! The earth is all interconnected. We don’t get the right to waste resources just because we are priviliged to have the luxury of being able to do that and survive.
totally agree
Also, back when the bible was written, a couple might concieve 18 times but have only 3 or 4 children grow up to have children of their own-or even get past the age of 5. You had to get pregnant a lot back then if you wanted just a bare handful of children that would actually grow up. If the Duggars lived back in biblical times, odds are pretty good that at least some of their children would have died very young and possibly even Mrs. Duggar herself, so at this point they might have 6 or 7 living children, possibly being raised by a single father. Nowdays, for the most part, people get to raise all the children they bear. I think this means the verse “be fruitful and multiply” should be given another look, if it is to be taken literally at all. How many children typically survived to adulthood from each couple back then? Maybe modern couples seeking to follow this “instruction” should keep it to that number, because what they have will likely survive and not die. I don’t know, just a thought.
“Free Choice”? Sure, that’s great. What about the “free choice” of the oldest daughters of this family? Do they have any choice about whether or not they get saddled with kids they didn’t even make? I think not. How does the saying go? Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins. Something like that.
I’m cool with all of your comments, except “…what business is it of yours in the first place?” Normally, the size of someone else’s family is no one else’s business. The Duggars do not live off welfare and are not in debt– frankly, they are doing better financially than I am! But here’s where the Duggars become my business: THEY AGREED TO MAKE A PUBLIC SPECTACLE OF THEMSELVES. When you agree to allow TV cameras in your home, you agree to allow people the opportunity to mock your lifestyle, to nit-pick your choices, and to make rude and unwelcome remarks. That said, I don’t see why people watch the show. I’ve seen it. It is neither entertaining nor enlightening. And I REALLY don’t see why people who find the family evil or sickening watch it. If it makes you so uncomfortable, feel free to switch on over to one of your other 200 channels.
A fetus cannot make the choice to live because it does not know what life is. It is not capable of understanding that, because it has an undeveloped brain. There are already too many unwanted children in the world that are in need of loving families. I say that if you get pregnant and don’t want it, get rid of the damned thing.
The Vagina is NOT a Clown Car. I know these freaks love being parents, but for the love of all things holy, she needs to call it quits.
And just because people don’t like them, it doesnt make them jealous!
I don’t think they do love being parents, though. I think they love having babies. I saw something just after one of the births (don’t remember which one) where she was still in the hospital bed with the newborn and they were talking about how soon they could make another one. Wow!
umm….I don’t think the grossest thing about this (and there are a lot of gross things about it) is that it puts “salt in the wounds” of people who can’t have kids- for me the hideous thing about people who have a lot of kids is that there are millions of kids around the world who are starving and dying of AIDS and being sold into sexual slavery, and we are insulating ourselves from that by creating our own cute little families with matching names and health insurance. I personally believe that in an underpopulated and unbalanced world, reproducing instead of adopting is a selfish, narcissistic indulgence.
~LH
I prefer THIS soapbox.
Me too.
Me three. Yes, she does have a right to choose. But we have the right to think she’s an idiot. Or to feel sorry for her that this is her ultimate goal in life. As the case might be.
Or both.
The bible can be interpreted sooooo many ways. Lets look to the very basics though. Judge others as you yourself would want to be judged. If you are a billionaire – well why not have billions of kids? If you are however a ordinary person, then who is really paying for you to have kids for a way of living? Yourself, maybe – but also the state. I know a lot of people who basically have kids to not get off thier fat lazy arses and go to work. I don’t really know this lady, maybe she does work – so I can’t say, maybe she’s rich.
Go forth and multiply…true. Doesn’t say have 18 kids though – why not 4? Have 4 and feel blessed for what you have, to be honest one is a blessing for most people. There is ways of stopping or slowing the progress of having kids without using a condom if you are against that, pull it out or use cycles for example to be very crude. In the old days we did not know about these ways so had billions of kids, people also had kids as a way of having a form of insurance for when they got old as there were no pensions. Now we know better, I guess some people still think the Earth is flat, look out for the flat earth society – and yes its a choice whether they believe such things, but most of us don’t believe in doing things like this. Greed is also wrong I’m sure, and you aren’t really thinking of others – just doing what YOU want, which is greedy. It takes no skill to just have babies, if it does then my cat had 8 kittens in 1 session and is way more skilled. It takes a lot more to be a really good parent. If you let you cat have litter after litter people would say that was cruel. If you ever saw a cat this has happens to their stomach looks out of shape, and they are drawn and tired.
Religion has been used to justify people doing things that are wrong, but that is people NOT religion. Personally I have read peoples views about abortion here, pro-life people to me go on about choices but they harrass people who want to make a choice too. I am not saying she should have a abortion and kill someone when they are there already, especially as I they were wanted though, but she does have a choice to stop the progress of having kids. I was not wanted as a child, and abused ALOT, I was lucky and my grandparents came to rescue me. My natural parents were and still are assholes, I have respect for my Mum and Dad (my grandparents who brought me up, not these people who just had sex) – I have grown up normal and I am a scientist at a CofE school, but I sometimes think if I was never born, would it have been so bad? I would have never known what I missed and since I commited no sin, I guess I just would have gone back up to heaven to be born to someone else.
She is pregnant with her 18th and is due New Years Day so there will be 18 soon. Regarding their statements “we’ll stop when god tells us to stop”…she was told after the 10th child to not have more children by her doctor but she chose to ignore that.
As to the people that say go ahead as long as they are able to support themselves…problem. They are NOT supporting themselves. Do you honestly think they do the Discovery specials for free? Their entire house was furnished by a national chain at no cost. They also take donations as well. So, no they are not supporting themselves.
To the people that say it is OK as long as they are able to care for the kids, wrong again. The mom only cares for the baby of the moment. The younger children are assigned to an older child who cares for and rears them. Dad is busy working when not impregnating mom.
My mother was also told to not have any more children after my older brother was born. I’m glad she didn’t listen… so is my younger brother. Her physical disabilities (not pregnancy-related) required surgery that no longer allowed her a choice regarding future children.
No, I don’t expect they do the Discovery/TLC specials for free. Neither do any of the other families highlighted (Roloffs, Gosselins, Hensels – conjoined twins Abby & Brittany), nor should they. Time is money, yes? And how do you think that national chain classified the expense of furnishing their house? Not likely “donation” but more along the lines of “PR” or “Advertising.”
“They also take donations as well.” You say that like it’s a bad thing. If the people who care about them choose to offer support so that they don’t collect public assistance, how again does this affect anybody else? As my 3 daughters outgrow their clothes, we pass everything worthy along to a family who has 2 younger girls. They are quite capable of supporting their family, so should I? Should I not? When their girls outgrow the clothes, they get passed along again. Recycling at its best, don’t you think? I’m guessing the Duggars recycle clothes a lot more than the rest of us.
As for the older kids helping with the younger ones, this is nothing new either. It’s what comes with being part of being a family. All family members help the family succeed in whatever way they are capable of contributing. My mother grew up in such a family environment.. so did I.. and so are my children. It’s the kids who grow up with no responsibilities and no concept of contributing to something beyond themselves that are destroying society.
Somebody else said it was selfish to have so many children when other kids are starving to death and being swept away by floods because of what we’re doing to the earth. It seems none of the Duggar children are starving, so perhaps it’s the folks who can’t feed their own that should stop having them. Yep, it’s harsh. It’s reality. And it isn’t the fault of a large family in the US when it rains excessively on an impoverished country on the other side of the world. I have to admit that I can’t see the connection with the floods though, so I’ll leave that part alone.
I also applaud queenbee’s soapbox.
You moron.. that IS supporting themselves… they’re doing something to support the family. What regular job do YOU know of can support 20 people? They started a special so they CAN support the family. So not only is having a bunch of kids wrong.. but now they can only support them how YOU think they should??
So, they don’t look at what kind of job(s) they have and are likely to get in the future and plan how many kids to have accordingly. They just have 20 kids and go “oh crap, we need money” and so they make a tv special. I see. How admirable. Better than living on welfare, yes. But still…not exactly the best.
And as for all the charity they get, I realize it’s the choice of the donors to give or not give, but I wonder how much better of a place the world would be if all the money/supplies/whatever that were given to them were instead given to people who did not CHOOSE their own situation that led them to need such things. These people made their own bed, really, and I don’t see why anyone wants to donate anything in the first place.
Ignoring the doctor’s advice reminds me of the joke about the Rabbi and the flood:
An orthodox rabbi is studying in his living room, when there is a knock on the door. When he opens the door, it is a policeman, who informs him that the rivers are rising, a flood is expected, and evacuation is recommended.
The rabbi explains, “I am a man of God. I am sure he will protect me from danger.”
The policeman shrugs his shoulders and leaves.
As the rabbi is watching the rising water getting closer and closer to his house, there is a second knock, this time a State Trooper. The trooper says, “Rabbi, we are evacuating the area as the flood is getting serious and you are in jeopardy.”
Again the rabbi explains, “I am a man of God. I am sure he will protect me from danger. I am staying.”
Well, the water continues to rise, until the rabbi is forced to stay on the second floor. He hears some yelling and looks up to see two firemen in a rowboat right outside his second floor window.
“Rabbi!” one of the firemen calls, “Get in the boat, the rains are not letting up! It’s getting serious.”
“I am a man of God. He will protect me from danger. I’ll stay.”
The firemen, fearing for their own safety, row on.
As the flood rises, the rabbi is forced to climb out onto his roof, just as a helicopter is flying over. The helicopter drops a rope ladder and a voice calls down, “We’re coming to get you, rabbi!”
“No, no…. God will protect me. You go on.”
Well, needless to say, the water continues to rise and the rabbi drowns. When he gets to Heaven, he is really upset. “I must see God,” says the rabbi. “Please take me to God.”
He is granted an audience with God.
“Lord,” says the rabbi, “after a lifetime of devotion to you, why would you forsake me in my moment of need?”
God says, “You schmuck, I sent two cops, a rowboat full of firemen, and a helicopter….”
I love that story SO MUCH. It makes an excellent point so many people forget nowdays.
It’s one of my favorites too… only it was an old lady, and God didn’t call her a schmuck.
Still, it very much illustrates how much we (speaking from an American culture standpoint) fail to recognize answers when they don’t fit our preconceived ideas.
Standing ovation for queenbee – love your soapbox.
Queenbee’s soapbox sucks ass.
I’m just surprised that she waited this long to bust out with Jennifer. Jinger? WTF?
damnnnnnn …………………………. that’s scary.. 18 .. oof.. i don’t think i could do 1 let alone 18 ! lol
Nope, quez, you’re wrong about family members helping each other. Every kid should have his or her own room or suite, equipped with an xbox360, ipod, at least a 25″ TV, a laptop and a small refrigerator. As soon as they come home from school each day, the best thing is for that child to retreat to that room to play games, watch whatever, and get high on sugar until the next morning. At sixteen, a car and the option never to come home at all should be added to the mix. This method should be used at least until the “child” is twenty-five or thirty at which time you can begin encouraging them to find a job. Only then can that person make a positive contribution to society.
Rats… looks like I missed that gravy train.
There’s a happy medium in there somewhere, I think! I’m all for older kids learning how to do household chores and take care of babies and support the family by doing their fair share, but when a set of parents deliberatly has more babies than they know they can handle themselves, that just seems like a prescription for making the oldest daughters not want any kids of their own at all. The oldest daughters are innocent here-they didn’t make the babies! So why should they have to assume basically *total* care of all but the very smallest? You make a baby, you better be prepared to take care of it yourself, is what I say.
So that’s why I’m so well adjusted!
what’s funny, well, funny to me, is that if you live near them and attend all of the holiday parades (xmas, 4th of july, ect.) you can witness this family for yourself. they all pile up on a long flatbed trailer and get pulled through a parade. every year. there are even hilarious songs about them on the local stations. thing is, they never threw candy….:(…just had volunteers handing out cards about jim bob and vote for him. don’t know what they do now since he isn’t in politics anymore. can’t imagine how the real estate game is treating him lately……..and for the comment WAYYYYYYYY up there, hot dog down a hallway….HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
Good grief, that’s a lot of kids. I can barely handle my two, let alone add on another 16. And she apparently works outside the home too. The mind boggles.
If they can support and keep track of that many kids, good for them. But the religion reasons bother me. I’m pretty sure that 18 kids was rare back “in the day” when the Bible was being put together. What with the lack of medical knowledge, disease and death running rampant.
Still, while my vagina is definately not a clowncar, I think it’s safe to say hers is.
At least all her kids look happy and fairly healthy…
Eighteen *conceptions* might not have been rare, though. It was just that due to poor health care, many were either miscarried or born dead or died before the age of two. Mr. and Mrs. Duggar don’t have to face all that heartbreak-they get to keep all the kids they make. I really hope they don’t run out on that luck any time soon-even nowdays, tragedies in childbirth happen, though we tend to forget that.
Technically speaking, wouldn’t the uterus be the clown car, since the vagina is only a door? Or is it just that the word vagina is more fun to say for certain types of people?
Vagina = foyer to the uterus (Labia = the french doors?)
Please, nobody find the picture for THAT caption…
Ummm……I don’t get it.
“Clown car” = vagina…….huhhhhh?
But I too loved the “pencil in a mayo jar” and “hot dog in a hallway”.
Hillarious!
In the “Barnum & Bailey” days they had clown cars that they would stuff as many clowns as they could inside and then drive it around the arena. Then they’d stop and all the clowns would jump out and the crowd would be amazed at how many they could fit in the car.
I am not having kids because of this family. Just kidding, but seriously, I saw the discovery channel thing and it made me sick. These people need to stop.
This is all part of the vast right-wing conspiracy. We’re all having as many kids as possible to try to offset the number of welfare babies and kids of illegals who are destined to be raised as liberals. While most anglo liberals are birthing at lower than the replacement rate, we right-wing nut jobs are taking up the slack to try to maintain some form of equilibrium.
Oops, I wasn’t supposed to tell. Where’s that delete button?
Your conspiracy is flawed… The dark side makes up for their lowered birth-rates by constantly recruiting from families like this one.
HEE!
That thought will put the grey in someone’s hair!
While I understand you’re being sarcastic, there is a religious conservative movement all about producing as many white children as possible. Google Quiverfull.
Quiverfull disturbs me.
There are movements of all kinds. No one seems to coment on the avg head count in hispanic or muslim families, as that would be ‘racist’ or otherwise discriminatory…but let the news get out about a white family who has a busload, and watch the comments fly.
By the way, the one person I’ve heard speaking about the quiverfull stuff is the very black pastor of a very large, very black church in Houston. Can we take “white” out of the critiques?
Its because she’s got EIGHTEEN!!
Okay, so she’s an over-achiever…
A beer! A beer for matchew!
*clink*
Brilliant work.
But now we have to shoot you for telling.
Wrap your whacker before you attack’er
Damn. She’s got some peanut butter legs. Spread easy..
eff that. I hope they’re poor. That’ll just make it all better. Ya know. Like every other family of 20 out there. Can’t afford after the 6th kid, nor can they afford condoms or bc, but can’t get enough dick. gah. That disgusts me. She probably doesn’t even know all their names LOL
Can’t afford condoms but can’t get enough dick, that’s the funniest thing I’ve heard all day! Or at least since the hotdog down a hallway comment!! I think Jim Bob needs a good woman….like Loraina Bobbit.
Okay I think she’s a complete nutter, but you don’t have to make gross comments like that.
what we know is that they are having a lot of children….what they havent told us yet is that they hope to give birth to Jesus….hehehehehhehehehe >=D>
If they keep going, eventually they will run out of “J” names and have no choice.
next one could be judas. or jihad.
Oh what I wouldn’t pay them to call their next kid Jihad.
It’s interesting to note – my parents used to believe very strongly in the Zero Population Growth idea of two kids at the most. I’m their fifth and apparently a blessed coincidence. My own grandmother wasn’t terribly thrilled to find out that her daughter-in-law was pregnant with a fifth child. (Ironically, she was also congratulating her daughter on her first pregnancy.) To add to the horror, I was brought up in a staunchly conservative Christian household.
And yet somehow, I’m capable of remembering to eat and making rational thoughts. I wonder what you all think of that.
Make some kind of point first, and then we can think about it.
What I think is that you’re taking something too personally.
Being a Christian fundie myself, and decidedly not brainwashed, it’s sometimes a challenge to read insulting comments without taking it personally. I have chosen to not respond to any of it because someone else’s words do not define who I am – they define only the speaker.
Well, then you obviously aren’t one of the “brainwashed Christian fundies” being spoken about here, are you? Unless you have 18 kids you can show us pictures of (and what are you doing on the net anyway?) you’re not who we’re talking about.
No, I’m not who you’re talking about (and I get on my 3 – yes, only 3 – kids for responding to comments that weren’t directed toward them, too) and point taken.
Still, when insults are lobbed toward Christians in general, it can cause folks to go into self-defense mode. I wasn’t responding in defense of myself, but in defense of someone who may not have adequately articulated the reason for her post. And don’t look now, but Christian fundies are ALL OVER the net… there goes another one…
Their last name is Duggar or Dugger they are the subject of a show on tv I can’t remember if it’s A&E or Discovery or one like those.
This family is putting undue stress on resources and the environment…
You know this is their form of birth control for the older daughters. Have more kids for the daughters to raise so that they have no desire to have sex and the chances of being blessed with their own 18 miracles.
Why are people freaking out about this? The Duggars aren’t reliant on the system, we don’t have to pay for it. Yes, we do have to deal with the fact that there is someone wandering around with the name ‘Jinger’, but the fact that the Duggars are willing and capable to provide care for their children is admirable.
Well, actually we are kind of paying for it. They get 18 tax deductions plus a total of, I believe, 6660 dollars out of this government “tax incentive” or whatever they are calling it. I would bet my own house they aren’t turning THAT down. And where does the government get the money to give tax deductions? By taxing the rest of us MORE. Not that I begrudge people with children getting tax deductions, but COME ON.
Okay, I got out the calculator. It’s 6600. But, point still stands.
The other number has more significance!
Seriously, our orthodontist rang up our total for the 14 year old’s braces and it came out to 3,666.00. SO he added two bucks to avoid a THE NUMBER.
Why couldn’t he have subtracted it?
We would pay the same deduction if it were to eighteen different families with one child each, or this family with eighteen, so that’s not really an argument.
I live in NYC and I have seen women have three four five and more children just to pick up the welfare checks, and get the section eight housing, and basically have their entire lives funded by my insanely high tax dollars. IF they manage to get a job they STILL get the tax credit your complaining about over and over again…
Seriously I’d rather see a family with zero public assistance, zero debt, and a heck of a lot of teamwork get the credit than some goup who makes thier living sucking off the public teat.
Frankly, I think she’s addicted to having to suckling babies. As soon as one child is off the tit, the kid gets handed off to an older sibling and she’s pregnant again. And while from what I have heard, they are lovely well behaved children, I still thinking raising children should be a hand-crafted art, not a production line.
One word. OUCH!!!!
How can they afford it? And ouch.
Not after like, the 11th.
are…….are they wearing name tags?
Waiting for God to tell them to stop? Well, I like what the Muslims say, Trust in Allah, but tie your camel ^_^
It’s people like this that make me feel really good about my choice to not become a parent. I’m doing my part to counter the Duggars’ overpopulating.
Right there with ya mate. They can have the kids my mum keeps asking me for. More alcohol and caffeine for me! Yay!
These people take care of their 18 kids, they are all healthy, they even give them all music lessons-where is the problem? I would rather see the Duggars have another kid and raise them them in their kind of family than some self absorbed woman have just one kid and ignore it for 18 years.
I personally don’t know which is worse. I don’t want anyone to have a kid and not treat it right, but now there are 18 more brainwashed fundie christians in the world. No, they are not “evil” per se, but they aren’t doing the world any good and in fact will probably end up harming it by pushing their extreme religious agenda.
maybe they keep having babies because the husband gets turned on by pregnant women. when i was pregnant their were a lot of guys how wanted to do me if i was pregnant or lactating. Personally i think that fetish is desgusting. Fortunatly i only have one kid.
And you know what else? Some women orgasm while breastfeeding. And many get turned on by it. Maybe she keeps having babies so she can keep her own little fetish supplied.
ew. that’s just so… ew.
Eww x 10.
Ex x18 really…
I’ve seen the tv shows on this family. Apparently she was on birth control after they first got married…but they were convinced that it contributed to a miscarriage and haven’t used it since (obviously).
Sometime after that, they adopted the “We’ll take as many as God will bless us with” attitude.
While I totally disagree and do not support the Duggers choices, and feel that they are completely crazy I have A few points
1. While we are busy judging these people for their choices at least 18 babies were born addicted to crack or into a homeless situation.
2. Those mothers will use the government system for money, not all of which will be used for the child as much as it will be used to support unhealthy habits.
3. These people are accepting donations from those who CHOSE to support them, not from taxes taken from other who have not made that choice.
4. Adopting a child from another country is a difficult decision, which can have many repercussions, such as health and behavioral issues that are very difficult and expensive to deal with. If its your choice go forth and good luck to you!
5. Carbon print…lets talk about how many houses, cars, and useless stuff the Hilton family owns, or how Brittney had someone fly her private jet back south to get her a latte from her favorite place, while in CA. I’ll bet a family of 4 living in upper middle class society, who chooses to drive a big SUV, buy lots of toys to keep their children occupied, who isn’t environmentally conscious make a larger carbon footprint than these people do.
6. This is America, land of free choices and free speech, there are places you can move to that do only allow the conception of one child.
7. While it is true to “let go and Let GOD”, it is also true that you need to listen to him through his messages and signs. God gave us brains to make decisions not to be entirely lazy, after Sloth is one of the 7 deadly sins (putting off what God asks you to do, or not doing it or anything at all).
5. I think your argument is a little flawed there. You’re saying, because there are other people in the world who are wasteful aswell (Britney Spears and people with SUVs), it doesn’t matter what the Duggers do.
I agree. Everybody else jumping off the bridge is no reason for you to do it too.
I believe this family is Mormon. On the TLC or Discovery special they last had, she was about to give birth to #17 I believe and the baby was actually sideways in her womb because the uterus was so stretched out from multiple births. The girls must always wear portrait collar, ruffly dresses so as be demure and “frame their face for God” as I believe the mother stated it. I personally find it an obscene display of reproductivity and I don’t like they are getting all this media attention just because she can reproduce exponentially. I know that when families have multiple births, they need all the support they can get and are often very religious folks. That’s fine, their churchs often step up and donate a lot of time and resources. Parents of other multiples have often also said take anything anyone gives you, you’ll need it! So diaper companies donate diapers, they put their kids in commercials and sign deals with Diane Sawyer to track the family’s growth. I don’t mind people taking support given, but the Duggars are just freaks who keep doing this in the name of God. Enough already…her uterus really is going to fall out.
Maevemealone: “The girls are required to wear portrait collar ruffly dresses?” Um… looking at the picture, only ONE of the girls is even wearing a dress, and it doesn’t have a portrait collar.
They aren’t mormon, they’re part of a christian sect known as the quiverfull movement.
Maybe it’s because I am from a different country, but I can’t understand that. I really can’t. And don’t get me started in the “because the bible says so” bit. How can the States be such an important country in many research areas and still have this people spreading there? It puzzles and amuses (not to cry that is) people from other countries
When is this woman going to stop? I’m all for freedom of choice, but seriously, that’s just not normal and it can’t be healthy.
I read through their average day on their website and I just don’t understand how these children can be well-adjusted normal children. The mind just boggles. The older ones are in charge of essentially raising their younger “buddy.” One of the younger children’s goal in life is to be a big brother while another son wants to be a father (yet you see none of the girls wanting to be a mother). From what I can tell, these children are not exposed to opposing viewpoints, they are kept sheltered in their house and family which will make it difficult for them to assimulate when they leave the house. This cannot be a healthy lifestyle for the children.
I wonder how life really is when the cameras are turned off.
That’s exactly what disturbs me so much. Obviously Mr and Mrs Duggar have chosen to live this lifestyle for whatever reason, but their kids won’t be exposed to anything else and not have any choice but to lead this one when they grow up. If you choose this for yourself, fine, but to restrict someone else so much that they don’t even know enough to freely choose it for themselves, that’s just cruel. If not emotional abuse, at least it’s an emotional atunting of growth.
Oh, also…
I wonder how they are all supposed to find people to marry in the first place. Will Mr. Duggar decide for them?
Okay for the chrsitians, there is no god stop believing in a book. Duh grow up humanity and get out of the fairytales.
Also if she did get pregnant again and decided that’s it I’ve had enough are you telling me you would be for her abortion?
Personally I have nothing against abortions, if you just wanted sex and no screaming, vomiting pile of sickness that is perfectly fine.
I have seen to many people saying abortion is wrong and you should have it anyway, then adopt it out.
As if you want to have a kid and make yourself loose just for someone else to take it.
Like get stuffed, I’d rather keep it tight and happening and not have a worry in the world.
But seriously if she decided to have 18 kids and can look after them, good job.
I don’t see any kids dying or badly dressed, like the scungy ethiopians. They’re the people that should be shot.
I don’t care if you get offended by my comment, I’m offended by the thought of a world with no abortions.
Personally, I’d love a world with no abortions. It would be a world where there was no rape or birth defects, a world with free failproof reversible birth control, a world where every child is deliberatly concieved by a woman/family who wants it and is healthy enough to bear it and will not change in health so that the pregnancy compromizes her health. That sounds like a great world. But making abortion illegal won’t give us that world. We live in the real world and so we will always need safe, legal abortions.
ZPG
Soilent green..make room make room.
This is disgusting…world is already getting overpopulated you do not need to spawn that many times. That and we need more crazies in this world like we need a hole in our collective heads.
Oh so it is the family on that one show. If I recall, their first kid – who now has a kid herself making that woman a grandmother – had such a horrible time growing up that she refuses to visit the family and for a long time wouldn’t even talk to the parents.
They don’t live on welfare, the husband started a christian printing business. One of the young daughters is a secretary. They’re all homeschooled.
They’re a little obsessed with having kids. And since those kids don’t even get a chance to interact with other kids in a public school on a daily basis they’re not getting evenly exposed to the real world. There’s probably tons of things they don’t even know about, things that those kids would love doing that they don’t even know exists.
It creeps me out because just looking at them I get overwhelmed. I needed a lot of solitary time away from people growing up and if I were born into that family I’d be one big sobbing unhappy mess.
Where did you hear about the oldest kid?
I think you have the wrong insane TV family?? Their oldest is a boy who just got married, according to their website. Unless they’ve decided on an evil plot to cover up the fact that their eldest is, in fact, a girl?? Dad’s a real estate agent and was a Senator, I believe, not a printer.
Perhaps she’s addicted to pregnancy. There are a lot of women out there like that. They really like the attention that they get when they’re pregnant and when they’re walking around with a little baby, and they get addicted to it.
Of course, manifesting your craving for attention by having a gazillion children really isn’t any healthier than having say, Munchausen Syndrome or Munchausen-by-proxy or something.
with the world vastly over populated, i think she and he are setting a bad example. i don’t think they’ve done just to spite people.
but with stuff like global warming being such a major issuse because of the amount of people and when having over three children will keep the population rising,
17 kids is really kind of selfish
You would think that at some point it stops being a “family” and more like a “lifelong church camp”…
This is disturbing to me just because of the lack of individualized attention that these children are receiving from their parents, father especially, since he works.
Do all 17 children get as many hugs as they want from mom?
Do all 17 children get their tears wiped away and their booboos kissed?
Do all 17 children get a bedtime story and get tucked in at night?
I’m leaning towards no.
I sense psychological problems for these children in the future.
Having 17 kids in your home is not a home…
it’s a farm.
Their oldest kid is a boy. He doesn’t have any kids.They do take their kids on trips and let them the the outside world. On one of their shows it does individual interviews with the kids that are old enough to think about such things and a couple of their daughters say that they don’t want lots of kids.
I think that if they can afford that many kids and want to have them, more power to them. They’re all loved and are blessed to have a loving family. I personally would never want this many siblings or children, but if that’s what the Duggar’s want, who are we to judge?
That’s a lot of tax deductions…
Holy crap. Didn’t know that so many mothers actually used the internet, much less use it to visit sites like this and bitch about having too many children. Isn’t this supposed to be a humor site? Lighten up.
So Jim-Bob and Michelle have a lot of kids.
How come none of them have names starting with “M”?
I’m thinking she should get at least SOME of the credit.
I have watched the show a few times. She said that having 17 children is not as hard as it sounds. She said, the first five were difficult, because they were all little and needed so much care. But after that, for the next 12, she used a “mentoring” program, where each older child gets assigned to care for a younger one. That is in addition to their chores. Some had to do the dishes (using an industrial style dishwasher), some had to do the cleaning, etc. I felt sorry for the girl who got stuck with laundry duty. She had ten loads of laundry to do every day. It looked like a laundromat, with so many washers and dryers, and they had those rolling clothes racks like dry cleaners have, to hang all of those long, modest dresses on. I don’t think I really saw the boys doing household chores. Hmmm. Maybe they were doing some manly work outside.
I think having that many children is selfish. Having any baby is a selfish thing, after all. They don’t ask to be born. We aren’t doing them any favors by bringing them into the world. We have them because we want the pleasure of having them, and hopefully they will have a pretty good life when they get here.
But having 17 or 18 kids is beyond selfish. When you have that many kids, and keep having them on into your forties, the chances are very high that you are going to have some that are unhealthy, premature, or miscarried.
I watched a chrisitan music troupe perform, and they were a charming family, with eight kids. But she had also had eight miscarriages, the last few pregnancies were miscarriages. Age is nature’s way of saying, “Enough, already!”
Oh, I forgot to mention. They are a nice, attractive, white, Christian family. I wonder if Discovery channel would have done this show if they were a poor, black or hispanic family. I doubt it. There are quite a few families that large that are of other ethnic groups. Are they not just as noteworthy? Or would people see a family of 18 black children and assume “crackhead, welfare mom, and a dozen babydaddy’s” Prejudice is still alive and well.
But that is why we elected Obama!! See, proof racism is dead.
Hey, wait a second… who put this burning cross on my lawn?
Since when did it become our place to judge what this family decides to do? I’m from a family with four kids and I helped with my younger siblings. You do it because you love each other and it forms bonds beyond anything anyone else can understand. My two younger brothers have always been just that, brothers, not children of my own, although it definitely makes you think twice about having children of your own early in life. It makes you realize how much work a baby is, so it’s a great abstinence program. Don’t knock it till you’ve tried it, and since you aren’t in the family’s inner circle of friends, how can you know if the children feel resentful or ignored. At least don’t show your ignorance to the world by making things up on a website, keep it to yourself.
THE DUGGARS!
To all those who are critical of this woman,
So which of these kids do you think don’t deserve to live? Are the first two children more valuable than the last ones because they would have been in the “acceptable” amount of children to have?
I’m sure to the parents each of these children is of infinate worth. To suggest that these kids should never have been born is insulting. What makes your life more valuable than theirs?
And when did it become a bad thing to be a mother and raise children? Feminism isn’t about foregoing motherhood, it’s about being able to choose what we do with our lives. Her choice to raise children is as valuable to society as another woman’s to be a doctor, or a teacher or flip burgers for a living.
Do I think 18 kids is a lot? Yep. But that’s her choice and it used to be that 18 kids was not entirely uncommon.
Dear Anna,
your a walking advertisement for birth-control,enough said
You know, back in the Colonial times, having many children was a respectible thing.
You shouldn’t judge her on how many kids she has. If thats what she fancies then so bit it!
One of the reasons there it was beneficial to have large amounts of children was because many died before they reached the age of 5 or 10. Today however it’s not necessary with better healthcare, medicine, and technology.
They also didn’t live very long because of the strain on their bodies… And were married off as young as 11. And were considered property. So let’s not talk about Colonial standards for women. If she wants to have them, fine, I will just be annoyed if I see her tribe at the welfare office.
Good God, she has an assload of children!!! Ever heard of birthcontrol? XD
Argh! They scare me. Seriously, STOP BREEDING. How can you give all of your children the one on one time they deserve? If you sleep for eight hours that means you only have 52 minutes to spend with each of your eighteen children each day… and none with your husband! They can’t possibly be able to give all of the kids the time they need. Also, I find it interesting to note that statistically it’s likely that at least one of their kids is gay… interesting to see how they cope with that.
I find this family a little creepy, but not really because they have 18 (or whatever the current count is) kids. If you have ever seen the show you may have noticed the whole family has a weird vibe where everything is smiles and light all the time. To me that’s creepy because it ignores reality. And what really disturbs me is that it’s the attitude my mom had while I was growing up: everything was just wonderful, we were such a happy, close-knit family. Reality check: my mom’s emotionally and verbally abusive, my older sister molested me when I was 8, and my dad’s idea of parenting was to stay out of the house and let my mom deal with “the kids”. You know that family has some skeletons in the closet that have been swept under the rug or will never be known except to the psychiatrists those kids hire when they are older.
The other thing that seems a little creepy to me is that the girls in particular are not being raised to have any educational or professional goals. They are basically being raised to become wives and mothers. I realize this has much to do with their religious convictions, but you can be religious and still have a life outside of being a housewife. I’d bet my laptop that at least one of these kids does not share the religious beliefs of their parents anyway.
As far as it being a crying shame that the older kids help with the younger siblings… that’s how ‘normal’ families seem to work, even with only 2 or 3 kids. Plus, while its true they may not like it all the time, when you live that way and it’s simply what is expected it’s not that big of a deal.
It’s the Duggers.
The viciousness and spite of some of these comments really distresses me. It’s the sort of thing I might expect from other Brits (like me) who read The Daily Mail (not like me- think Fox News, in Newspaper form). But from Americans? You’re supposed to be the land of the free. You are supposed to be leading the way for the world in mutual respect, tolerance and democracy. Why don’t you respect the couple for pursuing their dream, their lifestyle?
Good question, mate, good question – my mother country is the land of the take-for-granted free, which has subdivided itself into two categories, the left and right, both of which have far too much tendency to demean the right to the pursuit of happiness of those in the other camp. lawl
As a lass who seems to be sterile or damn near, hell, she’s got it and wants to use it, rock on, honey. Each member of that genetically-similar little herd there was apparently born with his or her own brain in a land that still has plenty of legal fortifications in place to give them the freedom to use it however they want.
Just a shift in the status quo, Mark, American culture may be progressive, but the American populace still suffers from precisely the same level of WTF OMG brain farts and drama queenishness virulent among the species. :p
How on earth can a parent give the “doctor’s recommended dose” of love to this many kids at once. I bet each of these children have a very hidden emptiness inside. How could any of them really feel like they weren’t deprived of their fair share of parental love?
They’re farming for the lord, and their crop is babies. It’s too bad they don’t understand the price of it all. The Duggars’ only real concern is producing new vessels for their pure, white, christian ideals.
From their website:
“Jim Bob & Michelle Duggar married July 21st, 1984. At that time, they chose to use the birth control pill. They thought, “We don’t want children right now. We can’t afford them. We want children in our timing, when we’re ready.” Four years later they decided to have their first child. Then, Michelle went back on the pill, but she conceived and had a miscarriage. At that point they talked with a Christian medical doctor and read the fine print in the contraceptives package. They found that while taking the pill you can get pregnant and then miscarry. They were grieved! They were Christians! They were pro-life! They realized that their selfish actions had taken the life of their child. They prayed and asked God to forgive them, and to teach them to love children like He loves children. They asked God to bless them with as many children as He saw fit in His timing.”
Yeah, I think she lost her mind.
haha, they cant recruit an army, so they birth one!
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Just because a child isn’t born from your genes,doesn’t mean they are not your child!Family isn’t born from marriage or blood,but of the heart.Wtf is WRONG with some of these people nowadays?We won’t die from lack of population.At this rate,we’ll die from OVER population.Too many kids need loving parents,yet some are never adopted because some people are so egotistical! They say adoption is expensive,but if you can afford vitrol,you can afford to adopt.
The human body should not be kept in a constant state of pregnancy, it puts an enormous strain on the system. She is acting like a human puppy mill.